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Speaker 4: with us for the next the next hour as well, uh, guys, Uh.

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Speaker 3: Then we get some alone time, then we get yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway, so let's talk a little bit of combine here.

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Speaker 4: We didn't, of course get to hear from omar Con today.

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Speaker 4: You know that's not gonna happen. Uh, but a lot

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Speaker 4: of the other gms and coaches are talking on the

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Eric Tacosta with the with the Ravens, I don't know

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Speaker 4: if you guys saw this, said that they plan if

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Speaker 4: they don't get something done with Justin meta Bouquet before

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Speaker 4: March fifth, they plan on putting the franchise tag on it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, smart decision.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, his production alone says, yeah, we might want

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Speaker 5: to keep that guy, might want to just maybe.

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Speaker 4: Well, so now we see that the Bengals of fifth

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Speaker 4: tagged T Higgins.

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Speaker 3: You're looking at up probably it's probably gonna end up

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Speaker 3: being the tag for they're they're not anywhere. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So that's two of the four teams in the division.

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Speaker 4: The Steelers, of course, they don't have anybody really that

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Speaker 4: it's in that situation that leaves Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that Cleveland can.

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Speaker 4: Has anybody right now that they would look at tagging.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think they also don't have the money.

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Speaker 3: They don't have the money to do it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it because if they're paying the quarterback sixty four

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Speaker 4: million dollars next year.

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Speaker 3: But that franchise tag.

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Speaker 4: To me, and as somebody who's who's gone through this themselves, yourself, Max,

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Speaker 4: I've always said that the franchise tag, once you use that,

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Speaker 4: it now sets the market value for the player. Because now,

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Speaker 4: as the player, you're saying, this is this is what

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Speaker 4: I'm going to make fully guaranteed.

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Speaker 3: So this is our starting point for negotiations.

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Speaker 5: Well, this is the floor, not the ceiling, right, I mean,

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Speaker 5: you know there's a hard stop like this is. This

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Speaker 5: is my assessed value for an annual basis. So if

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Speaker 5: you want you put it on me, you put it

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Speaker 5: on me. So let's multiply it and let's keep that

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Speaker 5: there if that's what you want to do. But know

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Speaker 5: that I'm not going below that. There's no hometown discount.

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Speaker 5: Once you add the tag. You had hometown discount in

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Speaker 5: open negotiations. It didn't work. Now we start here and

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Speaker 5: we can only go up from here.

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, I know a lot of players don't

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Speaker 3: love getting tagged, and the ones that don't like it

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Speaker 3: has not got paid big. He's about to. But you're right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the team shows their hand like, I think

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Speaker 3: that means you probably will give me more, you know,

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Speaker 5: It's not the only place where it becomes that limbo here.

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Speaker 5: And that's kind of where I was because I got

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Speaker 4: And that's the part we were talking about it.

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Speaker 4: So if you get the signing bonus in Pittsburgh, you're

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Speaker 5: So it's even better because it kind of lessens that

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Speaker 5: play it out during the season, you're paying your Pittsburgh

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Speaker 5: You're paying wherever else you go except for Florida, Tennessee

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Speaker 5: And think about slicing that in the one seventeenths that's

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Speaker 5: a large chunk, especially when you think about what Justin

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Speaker 5: Mordibik is going to get right in that twenty million range.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot a lot.

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Speaker 5: Of hands out there is like, hey, we need we

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I thought of that angle. Yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 4: it's interesting. And you also you had to transition tag. Well,

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Speaker 4: we don't see that when used as much anymore.

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Speaker 5: No, I think Steve Hutchinson really made it a very

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Speaker 5: tag still beyond me, because you know, teams, teams look

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Speaker 5: Steve Hutchinson got his transit tech. For those that don't know,

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Speaker 5: But you know, left tackle makes more than left guard,

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Speaker 5: So now they're like, well we would we were acceptable

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Speaker 5: that was one that was very it's very intriguing. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: you just beat him by a cent and you get

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Speaker 5: to stay with the team. But like you said, wording

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Speaker 5: is words mean everything, and that's what it was. So

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Speaker 5: I didn't have that suitor that was like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 5: I know the Cardinals wanted me because that's when Wiz

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Speaker 5: previous year, So like, yeah, we want to get you,

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Speaker 5: and I got tagged at the last minute. Like we'll

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Speaker 3: So we're just that much anymore either. Now the Cousins

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that was two in a row and it had

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Speaker 5: think for me, I didn't get the balloon from one

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Speaker 5: That's when you get the twenty percent premium rider put

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Speaker 5: I'm here. We had I love to not paying in

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Speaker 5: they use, like you said, transition, it's kind of gone

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Speaker 5: because it's not going to come up the way and

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Speaker 5: let somebody else negotiate to deal for you exactly.

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Speaker 2: Let's try and control it in the house and then

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Speaker 2: figure out a.

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Speaker 5: Way after that, because we now have three hundred and

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Speaker 5: sixty five more days to try and figure this out.

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Speaker 4: News from the combine here as well, it doesn't look

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Speaker 4: like they're going to be any running backs tagged this year.

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Speaker 4: We saw a couple tags last year, Saquon Barkley one

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Speaker 4: over there this last week, it was like twelve.

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Speaker 4: Is that kind of surprise you? I mean, I know

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Speaker 4: everybody says running backs don't matter. They don't matter until

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Speaker 5: They don't matter until you see that guy walking You're like,

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Speaker 5: what's our contingency plan?

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Speaker 2: You look back, You're like, yeah, I got beef jerky

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Speaker 3: Giants minus Barkley is not so rosy.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not.

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Speaker 5: And you're already paying Daniel Jones who is relying on

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Speaker 5: take him away he can't create. That puts you in

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Speaker 5: you don't want to pay that twenty percent premium, you know,

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Speaker 5: and now you would drive up the running back tag

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Speaker 4: That, which could be interesting down the road for Najia Harris. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know, if the Steelers are looking at doing it,

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Speaker 4: because I know Matt's always been to the feeling here,

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Speaker 4: and of course the Steeler are going to pick up

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Speaker 4: his fifty year option here make a decision on that.

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Speaker 4: I expect that they they will. It's like six million.

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Speaker 4: They have to do that by May, sometime in May.

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Speaker 4: But when you've got that first round running back, you

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Speaker 4: really have six years of control of that guy, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Which could be a whole running backs lifespan. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: And I mean even look at that.

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Speaker 5: didn't want them to pick up Nazi's fifth year because

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Speaker 5: of Jalen Warren. So it's funny how you fall in

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Speaker 5: and he's a mutter. Yeah, that's right. I mean, he's

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Speaker 5: Think about what Joe Mixon was young in his career,

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Speaker 4: How has that changed since you played. See I mean

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Speaker 3: There were first rounders every year at that store, you

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Speaker 5: I mean I think you know, you think I was

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Speaker 5: we could do this thunder and lightning. It's like, no,

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Speaker 5: Miami all year that. Okay, what you're doing early in

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Speaker 5: and I think that's really short sighted.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: it's not a tell by any stretch. They all can

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, and it's enough variability that you can't necessarily play

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Speaker 5: I got to know which one do I have based

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Speaker 5: They keep it pretty balanced, so the steels are in

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Speaker 3: Does it change how you block with those different backs, No,

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Speaker 5: Who's okay? So I got a blocking like that. You

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Speaker 5: don't have to think about that as offensive lineman. They

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Speaker 2: If I hold a hole in the hole.

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Speaker 5: And there's a sliver between my hip and the guard's hip, na,

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Speaker 3: So we're talking schematics. And you mentioned earlier too about

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Speaker 3: Arthur Smith did a lot of it. I mean, Bijon

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Speaker 3: I don't have much problem with it, and I think

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Speaker 5: Because, like you said, especially when you have so much

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Speaker 5: It really puts the defense in a quandary to where

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Speaker 3: He's not one hundred and eighty pound guys gonna run

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Speaker 3: He's stick his face in the fan. Especially Jaalen warning

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Speaker 2: And that's why league. The League's all about how can

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Speaker 5: I think that's why Connor Hayward is such a valuable

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Speaker 5: That's gonna be a fun to watch out. This all

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Speaker 4: Here you go, as Matt always says, teams tell you

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Speaker 5: that crew wants, they're going to be in tune with

436
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Speaker 5: that as well and figure out how can we get

437
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Speaker 5: them those things. Yes, we extended guys. Both your edge

438
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Speaker 5: rushers are good, they're well paid, they're fat and happy.

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Speaker 2: Cool. Now let's work on how the rest of this structure.

440
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Speaker 5: Because we got ran through ravaged with injuries a year

441
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Speaker 5: ago from linebacker to interior of that secondary.

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Speaker 2: We need to shore this up. So what are you

443
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Speaker 2: gonna need? Do you want the vet there? Do you

444
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Speaker 2: want a young guy you can mold you know, let

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Speaker 2: me know what we want.

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Speaker 5: I think that's where scouting personnel and coaches really matter

447
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Speaker 5: in that communication. Why you have to have less friction,

448
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Speaker 5: because that was the issue we talked about with not Ramon,

449
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Speaker 5: but who sat down with John Burton right, it was Hey,

450
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Speaker 5: you know, Mike Rabel Ran Carthon did not get along,

451
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Speaker 5: so therefore it reflected. But that's the one thing I

452
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Speaker 5: don't see with this. I see Mike has a great

453
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Speaker 5: relationship with Omar Andy Sheldon. And like you said, when

454
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Speaker 5: you're talking about having to go get guys, you're looking

455
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Speaker 5: through the wood chip pile and you pull out the

456
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Speaker 5: guys that you did masterful communication and guys that fit

457
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Speaker 5: into this, and we're plug and play guys.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, he is Max Starks, I'm Dale Lollie, and that's

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Speaker 4: Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 3: My brain is starting to fry up here.

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Speaker 4: But we are live at the Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis,

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Speaker 4: here on Steelers Nation Radio and Fox Sports Pittsburgh. Yeah,

463
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Speaker 4: I just that first time saying that we're gonna take

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Speaker 4: a break.

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Speaker 3: We'll be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: He's continuing in Kombo Jump twenty twenty four NFL Combine

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Speaker 1: Live from Indianapolis, Dog Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back. I am Dale Lallie here.

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Speaker 4: If Max Starks and Matt Williamson we are live at

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Speaker 4: the Indianapolis or Indiana Convention Center, I would screw that

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Speaker 4: up here in Indianapolis at the scouting Combine and more

472
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Speaker 4: news and notes from some of the podium stuff today.

473
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Speaker 4: Sean Payton saying they expect a decision to come within

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Speaker 4: the next two weeks on what happens.

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Speaker 3: With Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 4: I think the decision was kind of already made when

477
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Speaker 4: they benched him at the end of the season.

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Speaker 3: But what do I know. I think they're just waiting

479
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Speaker 3: to see if anyone will off from a trade, which

480
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Speaker 3: they won't, no, and then they'll get released and then

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Speaker 3: he The interesting thing about Wilson is he's a big personality.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying the Steelers should presume or anything along

483
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Speaker 3: those lines, but his next team is going to sign

484
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Speaker 3: him for league minimum. He's guaranteed so much money with

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Speaker 3: the Broncos, he has no reason not to sign a

486
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Speaker 3: league minimum deal with his new team. To me, that's

487
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Speaker 3: the most appealing thing about the player overall. And you

488
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Speaker 3: get him for like a million bucks a year.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you give him for a million bucks. Like you said,

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Speaker 5: they're they're they're on the Broncos books, so yeah, they're

491
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Speaker 5: paying this. So it's like, hey, why not. But the

492
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Speaker 5: problem is is that does the skill set match the

493
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Speaker 5: risk because if you bring him in that you're guaranteeing

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Speaker 5: he's a starter.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, because that's what he said. He's not going

496
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Speaker 4: somewhere to compete for a job. He's coming. He's going

497
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Speaker 4: somewhere to be the number one guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how many fits are for that, and

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Speaker 3: I don't think this is one of them.

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Speaker 5: Well, and Atlanta is not going to be that team

502
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Speaker 5: because Atlanta is high in the draft. The Bears, regardless

503
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Speaker 5: of whatever they do with Justin Fields, we're not trading

504
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Speaker 5: that for that. Like now, I'll stick with the young

505
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Speaker 5: guy and mistakes before I take old chewed up.

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Speaker 3: You know, I can see the Raiders having to settle

507
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Speaker 3: for that. He's on the open market and.

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Speaker 4: That might be attractive to Wilson because he gets to

509
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Speaker 4: play the Broncos twice.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. He has to go back in division.

511
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Speaker 4: But you're paying me to play against you. And by

512
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Speaker 4: the way, if I beat you, you paid me to

513
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Speaker 4: beat you, Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 2: How do you like that? That's a hard check to

515
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Speaker 2: sign when you send it over?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Ryan Poles said that they would need a similar offer

518
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Speaker 4: as the one they got last year to move out

519
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Speaker 4: of the number one position in the draft this year.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because you have all those quarterbacks, and so many

521
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Speaker 5: teams need quarterbacks, I mean, and Carolina is still probably

522
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Speaker 5: kicking themselves for what the hell did we do by

523
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Speaker 5: making this trade?

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Speaker 4: To me, if I'm the Bears and Matt and I

525
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Speaker 4: have talked about this a bunch, wouldn't it make sense

526
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Speaker 4: to to.

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Speaker 3: Justin Fields? Isn't costing you an arm and a leg

528
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Speaker 3: right now? Now?

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Speaker 4: You just spent a high first round draft pick on

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Speaker 4: him a few years ago. To trade out of that

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Speaker 4: spot again, get a whole bunch of more, you know,

532
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Speaker 4: a whole bunch of extra picks again and give yourself

533
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Speaker 4: another year with Justin Fields. Now you got two first

534
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Speaker 4: round picks next year. Maybe you have two picks first

535
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Speaker 4: round picks two years from now, because and you know,

536
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Speaker 4: going to Marvin Harrison Jr.

537
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Speaker 3: And you might have Marvin Harrison Junior or Malik Neighbors

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Speaker 3: to add to your equation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: No, I mean I love it for them if they

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Speaker 5: love Justin Fields or if the hell if they even

542
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Speaker 5: like Justin Fields. I'm like, because I'm not really sold

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Speaker 5: on Caleb Williams. Now, mind you, I think the question

544
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Speaker 5: is not do we like or love Fields? It's do

545
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Speaker 5: we adore Williams. If you adore Williams, you take Williams.

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Speaker 5: But if you're like Williams, will work or or I

547
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Speaker 5: think he's really good but not special. Yeah, give me

548
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Speaker 5: a ton of pick some players. Yeah, exactly. And that's

549
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Speaker 5: where and that watching and calling a couple a couple

550
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Speaker 5: of Caleb's games over the last couple of years, and

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Speaker 5: watching Justin Fields also live this past year, I don't see.

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Speaker 2: I don't see the X factor that it, you know,

553
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Speaker 2: a little bit that throws one over.

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Speaker 3: I've you know, you know, if it's Fields plus picks, Yeah,

555
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Speaker 3: fields plus greater than that or greater than Williams.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, greater than Williams by himself. You're just living with

557
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Speaker 5: what you got from last year. And I can honestly

558
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Speaker 5: say I don't I don't love it. I don't love

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Speaker 5: Caleb Williams that much. I watched the end of this year.

560
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Speaker 5: I watched how he crashed and that team crashed and

561
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Speaker 5: that lack of accountability. And you go to Chicago and

562
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Speaker 5: you can't stand in front of a podium. It's gonna

563
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Speaker 5: be a problem, and you're crying to your mom in

564
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Speaker 5: the stands, Like there is a whole different level, especially

565
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Speaker 5: when you go to that city that's thirsty for success,

566
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Speaker 5: never had a quarterback, They've never had one of their

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Speaker 5: entire history.

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Speaker 3: And now that that city loves Fields right now, they

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Speaker 3: love him and he's indebted to the community.

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Speaker 5: And you know, as an organization, you're like, could we

571
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Speaker 5: wait a year and like you said, play the smoking mirrors, boom,

572
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Speaker 5: bump back and get a guy, actually put some proper

573
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Speaker 5: resources into the receiving position. Don't trade for Chase Claypool,

574
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Speaker 5: expect that to be your your magic one all and

575
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Speaker 5: DJ Moore like, go get him a number one receiver,

576
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Speaker 5: and especially one that he would be familiar with from

577
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Speaker 5: Ohio State. You know that's in the family, that's in

578
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Speaker 5: the brotherhood where he has a personal relationship with this

579
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Speaker 5: guy and they can really grow and you can get

580
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Speaker 5: a whole bunch of other but you need to rebuild

581
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Speaker 5: your offensive line, put a real running back back there,

582
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Speaker 5: Like you could really do this and really set justin

583
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Speaker 5: Field's up for success and really see what you got

584
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Speaker 5: and then hey, if it doesn't work out, guess what

585
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Speaker 5: we still got capital. As we traded out the number

586
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Speaker 5: one pick, we got a top pick next year, so

587
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Speaker 5: we can go get the next quarterback.

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Speaker 2: This kind of coming first rounds next.

589
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Speaker 3: Year, we can move up.

590
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Speaker 4: We could be that teams up to the number one

591
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Speaker 4: was up and did what we had done for us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so with an infrastructor play, Yeah, and with a

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Speaker 3: lot of people.

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Speaker 5: And if you're gonna put a new quarterback, and they

595
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Speaker 5: put a new quarterback with a proper offensive line and

596
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Speaker 5: receivers to throw to, as opposed to bringing a quarterback

597
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Speaker 5: into saying hey this is what we got, make it work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's not the same.

599
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Speaker 3: But they also might look at fields and be like,

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Speaker 3: he has flaws we can't fix. So now the getting's good.

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Speaker 3: You know they do better than we do. Yeah, they do,

602
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Speaker 3: they do.

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Speaker 5: But if it does come to apples to apples, it's like, yeah,

604
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Speaker 5: stockpile and build and build infrastructure.

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Speaker 3: Especially going from one to two, you know, like, yeah,

606
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Speaker 3: Caleb's from Washington, Washington can move up to one. They

607
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Speaker 3: have a new owner. He could be on all the billboards.

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Speaker 3: They could finally have some positive vibes around that organization.

609
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Speaker 3: And watch color scheme matches from his last school.

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Speaker 2: That's important.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: You don't even have to do that much with your

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Speaker 3: with with a CGI with that, you know. So then

614
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Speaker 3: you sit there too. Maybe you take May and trade

615
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Speaker 3: Fields just like you planned all along, or you take

616
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Speaker 3: Harrison and give him next to Fields all along.

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Speaker 4: Or trade down again, and somebody always come up and

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Speaker 4: get Jade and Daniels, you know right, or you know

619
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Speaker 4: why I still have a time the power.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you have a and they and they are in

621
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Speaker 5: the driver's seat. So this is a big make or

622
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 5: break moment for Ryan Poles as a GM because how

623
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Speaker 5: you manage this draft with a term if you're allowed

624
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 5: to track and it.

625
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 4: Really screwed it up, it's Carolina, Oh, absolutely screwed the pooch.

626
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 3: It's a carbon class for how to screw it up?

627
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

628
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Speaker 5: It's like, hey, hey, how not to how not to

629
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Speaker 5: run an organization insert Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 3: And you know we talked about at the beginning the segment.

631
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Speaker 3: You know, I guess Ryan Poles said we would want

632
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 3: a similar offer to last year. I think it has

633
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 3: to be bigger because these are track These quarterbacks are

634
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 3: more attracted ways, right, a star. But I'm not trading

635
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 3: up for Bryce Young compared to trade up for Caleb

636
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Speaker 3: or May or one of those guys.

637
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I'm going if if I'm gonna reach out

638
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Speaker 5: for any of those top three, right May Daniels and Williams,

639
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 5: like you got to give me a king's ransom. Yeah,

640
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's similar to miss Trubisky. Right, It's

641
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 5: that type of It's that type of deal that has to.

642
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: Come across the board three or a lot of them.

643
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 5: Right, There's been a lot of those big deals where

644
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 5: it's like where it really would if it messes up,

645
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 5: it could really set a franchise back like five.

646
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,239
Speaker 3: Years absolutely, which is what Carolina is doing right now,

647
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 3: getting set back five years effectively.

648
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Speaker 4: So, guys, every quarterback who might were there's a hint

649
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 4: that he could be available this offseason, he might be available.

650
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 4: He's going to be available has automatically been tied to

651
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 4: the Steelers, absolutely automatically.

652
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 3: It's just been automatic.

653
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 4: And as this is going on, somehow Kenny Pickett has

654
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Speaker 4: gotten worse and worse and worse since the season ended.

655
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Speaker 5: Like you would think right now, he has never won

656
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Speaker 5: a game in the NFL. Yeah, you would. You would

657
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 5: think that he has never won a game. He's been

658
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 5: injured his entire time in his career, and his arm

659
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 5: is falling off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

661
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've heard words, the words desperate thrown around. The

662
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 4: Steelers are desperate for a quarterback. And in the reality,

663
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 4: that's not the case.

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Speaker 2: No, no, it's not.

665
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Speaker 5: I mean, everybody's gone chicken little right, the sky is

666
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 5: falling the sky because we only have one quarterback on

667
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 5: the roster.

668
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: That's not what it's going to be.

669
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Speaker 5: And like you know, understand Omar, like Omar conn and

670
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 5: Andy Widel in company, they're not gonna let that happen.

671
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Speaker 5: I mean, just look at what they've done. So why

672
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 5: are we But once again there's instability or something looked

673
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 5: good for the moment. We chased the shiny thing like

674
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 5: a cat, right, you know it dangles. Well, oh this

675
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 5: is a new thing, and you forget about it. This

676
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 5: is a true test and he's only in his third year. Yeah,

677
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 5: you're acting like this is he started twenty four games. Yeah,

678
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 5: he's acting like he's in the seventeenth year in the

679
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,479
Speaker 5: league and we don't know he's like Ryan Fitzpatrick or something. Right,

680
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 5: It's like, no, this guy's a young dude. He's not

681
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 5: damaged goods like he had an injury and the guy

682
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 5: stepped in and played.

683
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 3: That was all it was.

684
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Speaker 5: And Mason just happened to be the better of the

685
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 5: two that played when it was when he was called

686
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 5: the hot hand. Yeah, they went with the hot hand,

687
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 5: which you can't blame. Got you to the playoffs. Let

688
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 5: them let him try and do it, and then we

689
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 5: saw him turn back to normal.

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Speaker 3: To me, this was no different a situation.

691
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Speaker 4: Than in twenty nineteen when Mike Tomlins stuck with Devilin

692
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 4: Hodges for a couple of extra games but then went

693
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Speaker 4: back to Mason in the Jets game.

694
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Speaker 3: Mason got hurt.

695
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 4: If Mason doesn't get hurt in that Jets game, he

696
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 4: starts the rest of the season, and everybody's a much

697
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 4: different opinion coming out of twenty nineteen to Mason Rudolph,

698
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Speaker 4: But since Devlin Hodges started those last couple of games,

699
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 4: and they weren't going anywhere with Devilon Hodges. I mean

700
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 4: everybody knew that, the Steelers knew that the duck was

701
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 4: a duck. Yeah, it was a great story. They got

702
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 4: some wins out of them, fantastic, But Mason Rudolph was

703
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 4: still the better prospect.

704
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and AFT and a drafted prospect.

705
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. Kenny Pickett's the same way here.

706
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Speaker 4: Yes, they they stuck with the hot hand with Mason

707
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Speaker 4: Rudolph at the end of last year. They that doesn't

708
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Speaker 4: mean that their long term opinion or their opinion on

709
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Speaker 4: Kenny Pickett has changed.

710
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Speaker 5: Yeah, this hasn't gone to the Nick Foles Carson Wentz category. Right,

711
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's nowhere near that. It's like injury was

712
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 5: why he was out. The guy played well. Season ended.

713
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 5: It's like he gave us four games that we're trying

714
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 5: to make the playoffs and he stuck. So you said,

715
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 5: the same guy, and everybody kind of rallied around it, right,

716
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 5: Like you said, like an interim head coach, they rally

717
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 5: around the guys, play your best ball, boom. But next

718
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 5: year is next year, and you still realize we drafted

719
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 5: this guy in the first round. There's a lot of

720
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 5: things that we love about him, so why not give

721
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 5: him an earnest chance. That people are like, oh, new coordinator,

722
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 5: we need to have a brand new office. Let's blow

723
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 5: everything up and let's get rid of everybody. It's like, no,

724
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 5: there's a system, and this reason why the Steelers have

725
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 5: been in this position and they've had continual success.

726
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: Never blow five hundred. Trust the process. At the end

727
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 2: of the day, I.

728
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 3: Think the national folks, you know, look at it as

729
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 3: Pickett got bench for Rudolph. They're done with Picket, and

730
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 3: which I don't agree with. They favored Rudolph, but they didn't.

731
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that Pickett's career is over or their

732
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 3: opinion of them changed. But the fact is the Steelers

733
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 3: are going to add quarterbacks. Not every team in the

734
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: league is going to add quarterbacks. They're gonna go to

735
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: camp with four three are going to make the team.

736
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 3: Somebody other than Pickett's going to be in the mix.

737
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 3: So I mean, there's a musical chair that's open at least, and.

738
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Speaker 5: That's but that's where you're at when you're at disappointing

739
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 5: the career of a new quarterback right, and unless you

740
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 5: had Joe Burrow who came out you threw him the

741
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 5: keys and he ran with him and made made the

742
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Speaker 5: best out of it.

743
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: But this is the normal process, this is how it goes.

744
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 5: And I think that's where people kind of are so

745
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 5: enamored with why didn't you hit on the first round pick?

746
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 5: How many first round picks don't hit? Right, let's talk

747
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 5: about those. Well, it's not written yet. And you and

748
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 5: like I said, the three years, that's where you get

749
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 5: the true snapshot of a player. Give me three four years.

750
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 5: Now I can tell you what he is. I can't

751
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 5: tell you two years. And like you said, half and

752
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 5: half games, he's played literally middles and you know of

753
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 5: seasons like his career, he's only playing in the middle

754
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 5: of it. Hadn't played in the front end, and didn't

755
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 5: play on the back end of it. But now we

756
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 5: need to judge. Let's get a full year's body of work.

757
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 5: See how he manages that. And I think a lot

758
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 5: of people fell because because of that whole incident that

759
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 5: leaked about he didn't want to dress because he wasn't

760
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 5: starting type of deal that soured people. And it's like,

761
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 5: if I'm not healthy enough to play. Why am I

762
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 5: going to put on a uniform right at the end

763
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 5: of the day.

764
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: I wouldn't do that.

765
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Speaker 5: And I love my team and I was a company

766
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 5: man and everything else. He's like, I can't physically play.

767
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 5: I'm not putting this uniform plan. It actually happened to

768
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 5: me down in Carolina my fourth year in the league.

769
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 5: I tore my moniscus and warm ups. Oh wow, and

770
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 5: I went into the locker room. They checked it like,

771
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 5: oh my god. Uh yeah, it's torn. It's kind of loose,

772
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 5: you know, but we're outside of the ninety minute window.

773
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 5: So I so we can't scratch you. So you gotta dress.

774
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 5: It's like, well, I'm only dressing if I'm playing. So

775
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 5: if I'm dressing, I'm starting. And I started that game.

776
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 5: I played that game. Actually did it really good against

777
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 5: Julius Peppers. That game he had one assist attack.

778
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,959
Speaker 3: Recent Hall of Famer. Yeah, recent Hall of Famer Julius

779
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 3: recently inducted. Yah, that's right.

780
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 5: Beat him up that game. That was not on his

781
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame resume. Take it definitely wasn't on his reel.

782
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 5: That was definitely the low light reel. But uh but

783
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 5: and then the next week I went on IR but

784
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, if I'm dressing, I'm playing. So

785
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 5: I completely get the mindset. So you can't sit there

786
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 5: and say, well he's not a team player. No no, no,

787
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 5: no no, no, erase that for your memory. That's not

788
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 5: every question with that guy that's never been that should

789
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 5: never come into mind. But I but I heard that

790
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 5: the week after people, Oh well what about this?

791
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 2: I said, exactly as a rumor. Were you there?

792
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, people that think they know but aren't close the organs.

793
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have no clue. And I get it. You're

794
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: on your couch.

795
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 5: You want to make an opinion, but let's just keep

796
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 5: everything in focus. There's there's another.

797
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 4: Opinion that's being bandied about on social media, and I

798
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 4: want to talk about this one next. We're going to

799
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Speaker 4: get to a break here though. We are live from

800
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Speaker 4: the Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis. He is Max Star

801
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 4: Set's Matt Williams, and I'm Dale Lelly and you're listening

802
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 4: here on Steelers Nation Radio and Fox Sports Pittsburgh. We're

803
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Speaker 4: gonna take a break. We'll be back with more right

804
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Speaker 4: after this.

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Speaker 1: Mike from about twenty twenty four NFL combine, these.

806
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 3: These Steelers Nation Radio.

807
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 4: Back and Matt Williamson live at the Indiana Convention Center

808
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 4: where we're here all week long for the Indie or.

809
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 3: For the scouting combine here in Indianapolis.

810
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 4: And guys, I mentioned a little rumor that's been buzzing

811
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 4: around on social media.

812
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 3: Social media's all of such things.

813
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 4: But I keep seeing this and hearing this that the

814
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 4: Steelers are going to cut or trade Deontay Johnson. I

815
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 4: don't believe that's going to happen. And there are plenty

816
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 4: of reasons. Why Why would you trade away a starter, Yeah,

817
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 4: a valuable starter and create another hole productive start or

818
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 4: cut worse yet cut him?

819
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 3: Why would you do that?

820
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 5: Because this is the era of fantasy football where they

821
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 5: believe they can pick him back up on the waiver

822
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 5: wire after they passed the cut period. I mean, people

823
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 5: are so quick to get rid of things, and they

824
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 5: don't really look at foundational pieces. And I think that's

825
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 5: where you have a contract, you're expecting to play that contract.

826
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 5: Unless your performance is just so far below it, you

827
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 5: must release seid guy. Deontay Johnson has not given us

828
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 5: any indication of that, and in fact, he got better

829
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 5: as the season got on and Also, he was a

830
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 5: productive guy when it came to a lot of the

831
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 5: schematic things. When we were running right, he was running

832
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 5: a lot of those blocks. He was he was downfield

833
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 5: trying to make plays to help. He was a productive teammate.

834
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 5: And I think people look at whether his faces down

835
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 5: or how he talks in the media, they think, oh,

836
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 5: he's unhappy. He's just gruntled from something two years ago.

837
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 5: You know, It's like, no, Like, this is what happens

838
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 5: in a team structure. Have you not worked in a

839
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 5: business where you love everybody. No, you have moments, you

840
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 5: have a bad day, and because where because you're in

841
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 5: a sport where cameras are everywhere you get, they find

842
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 5: you on the bad day and there's a camera of it.

843
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 5: But it doesn't mean how does he look to his teammate.

844
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 5: All his teammates love him, right, Coach staff loves him.

845
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 5: He's a guy that's always looked to as a leader

846
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 5: on that offensive side of the ball, especially what you're

847
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 5: talking about team that's.

848
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: As young as it is.

849
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: You need the veteran you're gonna get if you get

850
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 3: rid of him, or getting even younger.

851
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna get even younger.

852
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 5: So it just it's an asenine comment to make, but

853
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 5: people are always trying to figure out how can we

854
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,479
Speaker 5: how can we build Madden Dynasty Mode faster?

855
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 2: That's essentially what it is.

856
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 3: We've seen a lot of wide receivers in particular get

857
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 3: traded before their final year, you know, I mean AJ Brown,

858
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 3: Tyreek Hill, Stefan Diggs, et cetera. That are quality players,

859
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 3: and there would be a market for him, but it

860
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 3: wouldn't be as great as those players. The cap savings

861
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: you would make is not enough to go out in

862
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: free agency, which is rough rock Waters anyways and get

863
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 3: a comparable player. It's a very good receiver draft, as

864
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 3: it always is, basically, but I already think they need

865
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 3: the draft one either way. I don't want to draft too,

866
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, we opening up another hole. He's

867
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: one of the best separators in the league. You guys

868
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 3: mentioned they're very young on offense. They need some stability

869
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 3: there too, and they're very familiar with them. Dale and

870
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Speaker 3: I talk about this at camp all the time. He's

871
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 3: one of the last guys on the field all the time.

872
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 3: It's not a work ethic thing, I mean. And I

873
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 3: also think some of the route concepts going forward will

874
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 3: help him. I mean people complain that he catches the

875
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 3: ball and comes back to the line of scrimmage. Well,

876
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 3: a lot of those route concepts bring him that way.

877
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 3: They're not hitting him in stride, you know. I mean

878
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 3: I would rather extend them than cut them.

879
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

880
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 5: And that's the thing is like, when you're building a

881
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 5: wide receiver corre and you're coming into new offense, why

882
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 5: am I going to add more young pieces that don't

883
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 5: get it?

884
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 3: You know?

885
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 5: And Deontay gets it. He's gone through this process. He

886
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 5: also has a feel. He has a connection with Kenny Pickett.

887
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 5: You want to keep as many of those connections in

888
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 5: place as you're going through the pains of establishing a

889
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 5: new offensive structure.

890
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 2: And the guy's caught a lot of balls. He's caught

891
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 2: a lot of balls, and he's your man beater. Yeah,

892
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: he's the one that you put.

893
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 5: Yes, George Pickens is circus George, Right, he's going to

894
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 5: make the spectacular sideline catch. But Deontay's the one that's

895
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 5: going to be the clear out guy and also going

896
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 5: to create separation to make that in that that end

897
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 5: route on on on a on a post route and

898
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 5: go yard.

899
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: Like, that's just who he is.

900
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 5: And I'd rather just figure out the slot and not

901
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 5: have to, like you said, go get now, I gotta

902
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 5: go get an outside number one slash two receiver, and

903
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 5: I have to go get a slot receive.

904
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 4: If you do that, now you're saying, Okay, we gotta

905
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 4: draft a wide receiver in the first rounte.

906
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty much, I mean pretty much. You get rid

907
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 5: of the anto that's the equivalent cop right now. Yeah,

908
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 5: And you're not gonna go in free agency and get

909
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 5: him because obviously most of those guys are gonna be

910
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 5: locked up. And if you do, now it's a character

911
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 5: issue that you have to dive deeper into.

912
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: Why didn't they keep you? Yeah, or you pay.

913
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 3: You're not gonna go get Mike Evans, No, you know,

914
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: I mean, you're not gonna upgrade. You're gonna get somebody

915
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,959
Speaker 3: that's got a little bit of ability, but not nearly

916
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 3: as proven and isn't the route runner or nearly as

917
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 3: productive the last couple of years. I mean, it makes

918
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 3: little to no sense to me at all. I'd rather

919
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 3: put another year in his contract, open up some cap

920
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 3: space now and buy into them, yeah and still draft one.

921
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, because you have to continually build the depth

922
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 5: in that room. Like you can't stay stagnant with the

923
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 5: wide receiver position in today's NFL.

924
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: It's too important. You play too many of them. Yeah,

925
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 3: you need three at minimum, and so that means you

926
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 3: need five on the roster.

927
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 5: What if Pickens gets hurt exactly. Yeah, Now I'm trusting

928
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 5: a rookie to fill that production.

929
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: You're not going to do that.

930
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 5: But at least if you have a Deontae out, you

931
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 5: have a George. If you have a George out, you

932
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 5: have a Deontay, you have still a number one go

933
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 5: to guy that's proven.

934
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: That's yeah.

935
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 3: You don't get rid of those guys cheap.

936
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 4: No, No, And you're and I don't think the people

937
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 4: who are trying to say trade trade Deontay Johnson. You're

938
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 4: not going to get, as as Matt said, a first

939
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 4: round draft pick for him. He's got one year left

940
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 4: on his contract. You're not probably not going to get

941
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 4: a second round draft pick for him because of the

942
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 4: way the contract is right now.

943
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 3: It's probably going to be a third or lower. And

944
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 3: I'm not interested in that. No.

945
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: That does nothing, That doesn't move the needle, It doesn't.

946
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 3: Replace Deontay Johnson.

947
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't.

948
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 3: It gives me the ability to go get a different position.

949
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 4: But now, like you said, I created another hole created

950
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 4: I'm the little dutch boy and I'm get my finger all.

951
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 5: Over the you know, yeah exactly. Now I supposed to

952
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 5: just putting the plaster on there and saying, hey, let's

953
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 5: just go fix what we need. And I think, but

954
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 5: that's also why the Steelers never flinch in those moments, right.

955
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: They never give way like a lot of other teams.

956
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, the social pressure, the outside noise forces

957
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 5: us to do something on characters because we feel like

958
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 5: we have to appease the mob.

959
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 4: Steelers are like, it's it's the same thing. And I'm

960
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 4: sure you guys have both heard this as well.

961
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: Well.

962
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: They needed Cam Hayward caught him.

963
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 2: Uh get it.

964
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 4: He's gonna he's gonna he can't play at that contract.

965
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 4: He's gonna he's gonna take a pay cut.

966
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?

967
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: Get out of here.

968
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 3: They don't get the value.

969
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, they don't understand the value just because he doesn't

970
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 5: make every single play.

971
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 2: He's not he doesn't have twenty sacks like a TJ.

972
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 3: Watt.

973
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 5: I was like, but if you watch what he does,

974
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 5: he creates the sacks for TJ. Watt, Alex Heissmith. He

975
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 5: is unblockable on the inside when you give him an

976
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 5: inside one on one move that forces a quarterback off

977
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 5: his point. Like there's so many intangible but because right

978
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 5: you're watching the television copy, television copy only follows the ball.

979
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 3: You don't see the end result. You don't see the

980
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 3: minutia of it because you're watching a route.

981
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,479
Speaker 5: You're watching the running back that's running a flare because

982
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 5: they think he's going to get the ball. What Cam

983
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 5: Hayward does and what he brings leadership wise, yeah, yeah,

984
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 5: you can't measure that and there's nobody you can replace

985
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 5: it with in this draft or if you know, you

986
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 5: go back five years in the draft, Like what he

987
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 5: brings is invaluable.

988
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 2: To that team.

989
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 5: And how he's helped Keanu Benton right as a mentor

990
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 5: in that room, teaching guys how to play the position,

991
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 5: like TJ. Watt does with Nick Herbig and even with

992
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 5: Alex Highsmith, Like there's constant communication when you don't have

993
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 5: that vet in the room. And this is one thing

994
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 5: I hate about kind of today's rookie wage scale and

995
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 5: how they've changed it. They really cut out those middle

996
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 5: class older vets that are there for teaching. Yeah, and

997
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 5: almost like a player coach type of position. It's either

998
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 5: young or old. And we paid him a lot of money.

999
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 5: That middle class is getting better. They're starting to.

1000
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 3: Really bad for a while.

1001
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 5: But it was really bad when we first started to

1002
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 5: where it was like, yeah, I got the first, second

1003
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 5: and third year guy.

1004
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 3: Oh and by the way, I got a twelfth year guy.

1005
00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: It's like, what, where's the seventh year?

1006
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 5: There's no seventh years?

1007
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 3: I had that crime many times with with Ramon.

1008
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 4: Uh, you know when he was still playing, like the

1009
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 4: middle class was where was it existent?

1010
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean real real quick. Back to Johnson and Hayward.

1011
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 3: Maybe you restructure Cam's deal a little bit to open

1012
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 3: up a little bit of cap space, but you don't

1013
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 3: get him out of the building ever. I mean, he

1014
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 3: just he just won the Walter Payton Man of the

1015
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 3: Year award.

1016
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 5: That's the greatest human being in football, right, Evidently, what

1017
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 5: else do you need?

1018
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 3: Like like, that's that's ridiculous at that point, right, It's

1019
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 3: a combination of player and off the field, Like that's

1020
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 3: what you want?

1021
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, and he still beats dudes

1022
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 5: behind like that, like like like Cordell Wilson does not

1023
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 5: want to see Camp Hayward ever in his life.

1024
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 3: No, the Bengals would do cart wheels we got rid

1025
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: of Camp.

1026
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 2: Oh guys, you know how excited they'd be. Geez right,

1027
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 2: get out of here.

1028
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 3: I mean. And as for Johnson, if you don't plan

1029
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 3: on extending him and your season goes down the drain

1030
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 3: and the trade deadlines there, move them, you know. But otherwise,

1031
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 3: he's a foundational piece. So you're trying to win now

1032
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 3: and you're not going to get better at that position.

1033
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 3: And like you said, at least get me to the

1034
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 3: season to see what it is first.

1035
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's no value in me getting rid of him

1036
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 5: at this point or trading it at this point before

1037
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 5: we've even installed a new offense, right right, because who

1038
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 5: knows it might be an even better advantageous offense where

1039
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 5: he can really be dynamite paired with George Pickens.

1040
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 2: So let's keep all of our pieces on the table.

1041
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 5: Let's not just sacrifice pawns for the sake of moving

1042
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 5: up the board for no reason, because it's like, no,

1043
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 5: this pawn can eventually if he gets across the board.

1044
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 4: He's a queen now and very valuable chess. But I

1045
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 4: get it to a point because this is the time

1046
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 4: of the year. I mean, we're the reason we're here.

1047
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 4: It's the draft, and so there's all these shiny new

1048
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 4: things out there. Well, this guy's got to be better.

1049
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 4: On many cases, they aren't. Though this is not an

1050
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 4: exact science. Just because the guy runs a fast forty

1051
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 4: and had good tape in college doesn't mean he's going

1052
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 4: to be a great NFL player. You can't just plug

1053
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 4: that guy in as a replacement. Say, well, it'll be

1054
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 4: Deontay Johnson. There's also this guy will be Cam Heyward.

1055
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 3: There's also a misnomer, particularly in Pittsburgh, that Deontay is overpaid.

1056
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 3: He's not worth a contract. You're not paying enough attention

1057
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 3: to wide rechieve for contracts.

1058
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 5: Then yeah, yeah, exactly, that's a pricey position, very pricey,

1059
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 5: was it? And then also, I mean, look at I mean,

1060
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 5: didn't tel mems right, Uh, he's a prime example in Denver,

1061
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 5: Like it was like, oh, he's gonna be better, He's

1062
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 5: got to be better than Courtland Sudden, Yeah, who caught

1063
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 5: more passes? Oh right, right, who's more available, right, I

1064
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 5: mean we we could look at I mean, hell, when

1065
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 5: I came out Robert Woods came from Oklahoma State. Oh

1066
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 5: my god, he's gonna be I'm sorry, not Robert Woods.

1067
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 5: Rashawn Woods. Oh he's number round, first round draft. He's

1068
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 5: got to be great out of two years.

1069
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, play two years. The first round pick brought him in.

1070
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 3: It happens all the time.

1071
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 5: And like you said, this is this is the area

1072
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 5: where we get antsy sure, and we feel all the

1073
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 5: emotions and all the fuzzies, but it's like, look at reality.

1074
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 5: How do you build things? How have the Steelers built things?

1075
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 5: This is not characteristic. We're not the New York Jets.

1076
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 5: We're we're just jumping on the high thing and we'll

1077
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 5: just blow up everything. And it has to be you know, Chris,

1078
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 5: Chris l Lave. That has to be our number one.

1079
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 5: And we have to make him that because we're force

1080
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 5: feeding him the ball. No, how you build great teams,

1081
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 5: look at look at Kansas City. You build through the

1082
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 5: draft and you take the pieces that you got and

1083
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 5: you make them better. Mcole Harmon.

1084
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: They had to.

1085
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 5: They kicked him out and then brought him back before

1086
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 5: he was really a true value to them, And it

1087
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 5: was only the last play of the Super Bowl and

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00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 5: maybe a couple of plays in the playoffs. Like that's

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00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 5: just it's not just a carbon cut, Like, hey, we

1090
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 5: can put this here, plug and play. Everyone everybody comes

1091
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 5: from a different system and they have to mature into

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00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 5: this league.

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00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 3: And you know what fans and local media do this

1094
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 3: time of year, especially combine. I'm started to get more

1095
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 3: and more familiar with these prospects. I want all of them.

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00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 3: I want a center, I want to tackle, I want

1097
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 3: to a corner. I want all these things with Liot

1098
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 3: enough picks for him. So who can we trade, like

1099
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,959
Speaker 3: Chase Claypool to get Joey Porter junior. That doesn't happen

1100
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 3: every year, folks, I mean, like that's not gonna work

1101
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 3: out though, Well, you can't just turn Deontay into the

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00:46:58,719 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 3: next Joey Porter junior.

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00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, it doesn't happen. And like you said, the value

1104
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 5: also is nothing. You have to understand what the value

1105
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 5: is in the market at that point. It's different if

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00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 5: you're talking about Deonte's the number three receiver in the league,

1107
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 5: right he's ceedee Lamb, you know, or so you're.

1108
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 4: Going to get a first round draft pick, twenty four

1109
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 4: years old and coming off his first contract.

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Speaker 3: That's not where we're at right now.

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00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 5: No, No, we're at a guy who's a veteran who's

1112
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 5: been established, but he also fits our system and he

1113
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 5: catches a lot of ball, and he catches he has

1114
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 5: a high volume of catches.

1115
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: You can't replace that.

1116
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 5: I don't care how many balls he caught in college

1117
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 5: in a spread offense like pro style offenses, dealing with

1118
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 5: a run heavy team and a division that's full of defenses,

1119
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 5: like the dude.

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Speaker 2: Is battle tested, and you can't find that guy.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to get younger on offense, you don't

1122
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 3: have to get cheaper on offense. You go with the

1123
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Speaker 3: guys that are productive. Volumes is not equal quality, right,

1124
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 3: quantity is not equal quality or real quick here before

1125
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Speaker 3: we end the hour here, you mentioned that the spread

1126
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 3: offenses and and how difficult is it now to look

1127
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 3: at some of these players coming out in these drafts

1128
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 3: based on what they do in college as as compared

1129
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 3: to what they're going to to be asked to do

1130
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 3: in the pros. That's more of somewhat, but we're still

1131
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 3: not completely there.

1132
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 2: We're not sold there.

1133
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 5: And yes, you do get a little bit more spreadish

1134
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 5: in the pros, like we see a lot more to

1135
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 5: him ersonnel than we've seen in the past. But at

1136
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 5: the end of the day, like that's why I can't

1137
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 5: judge Joe Milton right for Tennessee because of that offense

1138
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 5: and with the receiver hooker hooker a year ago. I

1139
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 5: don't know how to value these guys and the receivers

1140
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 5: even that. I mean for Jalen Hyatt, like you knew

1141
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 5: he was taking the number one and he was getting

1142
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 5: man press because teams had to show themselves. But if

1143
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 5: I'm looking at the number two and number three receivers

1144
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 5: on a squad, it's tough because these teams are so

1145
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 5: spread out, like there's no reading involved, Like the teams

1146
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 5: have to show their hands, whereas the NFL, these are

1147
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 5: the best of the best. They know how to disguise

1148
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 5: and they will disguise and does that guy know what

1149
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 5: the disguise is? So it makes it really tough to

1150
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 5: evaluate quarterback talent out of a spread, as well as

1151
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 5: the white receivers coming out of the SPA because they

1152
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 5: only have one read the spread offense, whereas you have

1153
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 5: two to three reads once you get to the league

1154
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 5: and does that guy have the mental capacity. So that's

1155
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 5: where getting on the grease sport, getting those meetings in

1156
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 5: with them, seeing how he does out there on the

1157
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 5: field and moves really gives you a better insight. But

1158
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 5: you don't get it from the season tape. It takes

1159
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 5: all star games and takes a private work.

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Speaker 4: Kurt Warner had a tweet about that last week where

1161
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 4: he said, I'm looking, I'm breaking down quarterback tape right now.

1162
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 4: Is I can't tell if these guys can play or

1163
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 4: not because everybody's a one read quarterback.

1164
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, like exactly, Oh yah, I'm gonna throw it here,

1165
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 5: yeah exactly, all right, I know I was throwing their

1166
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 5: pre snap, yeah, you know, and it's like, I'm just

1167
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 5: gonna wait two seconds and then boom, pop it out

1168
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 5: there because that's what they're run. Yeah, I mean, And

1169
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 5: that's one thing what I like about Jayden Daniels. Dadon

1170
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 5: Daniels had to really read the defenses because if he

1171
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 5: tried to go premeditate in the first quarter of a game,

1172
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 5: it looked terrible and then he ended up ascending later

1173
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 5: when he had to read and he had to make

1174
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 5: those decisions. That's what I think separated him from the

1175
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 5: Heisman conversation this year because you really saw him going

1176
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 5: through his progression, be impatient in the pocket, moving slightly.

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Speaker 3: Even though he's a running threat, he didn't run. Every

1178
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 3: time he had the opportunity to run.

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00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 5: He would run to get open and create stuff with

1180
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Speaker 5: his feet to get the receiver at the place he

1181
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 5: wanted them to.

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Speaker 4: I'll like, Ben, yeah, and I mean that that's the

1183
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Speaker 4: toughest thing to look at with these quarterbacks. I mean, yeah,

1184
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 4: you know, I watch Nick tapes for example, It's like,

1185
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 4: all right, everything's a bubble screen.

1186
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, everything short, short, catch and run. Right, Let's run

1187
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 5: a couple of slashes. Let's run some crosses across the middle,

1188
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 5: Let's bubble a guy out, let's swing him out.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, let the guy go and do what he does.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to do that in the NFL.

1191
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 5: No, No, because there's a defensive end that could run

1192
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 5: just as fast that running back that you're.

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00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 2: Exactly the Fort Valley states on the schedule. Uh, he

1194
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: is uh.

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Speaker 4: Max Starks, He's Matt Williams, and I'm Dale Lallie. You're

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Speaker 4: listening here to our ongoing combine coverage here in Indianapolis

1197
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Speaker 4: on Steelers Nation Radio and Fox Sports Pittsburgh. That's going

1198
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Speaker 4: to do it for this hour and Max is taking off.

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Speaker 4: You're done for the day.

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Speaker 3: I am free and clear until we see each other

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Speaker 3: at dinner.

1202
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Speaker 4: Well, we'll see each other dinner, yeah, for sure, and

1203
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Speaker 4: we'll continue these conversations and then we'll do it again tomorrow.

1204
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 3: Why not.

1205
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely, let's run it back.

1206
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do that.

1207
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 4: But we're gonna get to a breakdown, Matt, And now

1208
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Speaker 4: we'll be back to finish up the day here with

1209
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 4: our final hour of coverage here from the Scouting Combine

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Speaker 4: right after this