WEBVTT - Ep. 4 - I Will Never Get Tired

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<v Speaker 1>Wharning.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode contains scenes that may be disturbing to some

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<v Speaker 2>of our listeners. At the end of the previous episode,

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<v Speaker 2>Consuelo Amaya, Captain Corral's sister in law, recalled how many

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<v Speaker 2>in Colombia and around the world remember Paulo's Kobar, but

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<v Speaker 2>few keep the memory alive of the anonymous heroes who

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<v Speaker 2>helped to end his reign of terror. This turbling time

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<v Speaker 2>in the mid nineties, after Pablo's Kovar fell and Captain

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<v Speaker 2>Coral was killed, left a trail of pain in the

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<v Speaker 2>Koral family. They were particularly difficult years in the context

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<v Speaker 2>of more than six decades of farmed conflict in Colombia,

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<v Speaker 2>in which almost two hundred and seventy thousand people died.

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<v Speaker 2>In addition to that figure of fatalities, it is estimated

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<v Speaker 2>that more than four hundred and twenty one thousand have

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<v Speaker 2>been affected in one way or another, and in this context,

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<v Speaker 2>the Koral family was like many others, fractured, scared, and grieving.

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<v Speaker 2>One more family in mid nineties Columbia. At that time,

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<v Speaker 2>Los Medica Rido, the widow of Captain Corral, remembers a

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<v Speaker 2>drastic change in the attitude of her.

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<v Speaker 1>Some bets an.

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<v Speaker 3>Such a happy kid, and you know, because he was

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<v Speaker 3>so happy, he's restless. He danced, he sang, he acted.

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<v Speaker 3>In school, he was always asked to participate in the

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<v Speaker 3>place where they was singing and acting. He was a

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<v Speaker 3>very active child who liked to help.

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<v Speaker 2>Captain Corral's death was so unexpected and traumatic that it

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<v Speaker 2>left everyone in shock. The days following the murder were difficult,

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<v Speaker 2>even logistically. A family friend lent Los Medica Rido card

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<v Speaker 2>to right fromage to Bogota, almost five hours away. They

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<v Speaker 2>spent the night there in Bota, and in the morning

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<v Speaker 2>of April twenty three, nineteen ninety four, the family took

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<v Speaker 2>a flight to Barankiya, the city on the coast where

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<v Speaker 2>Umberto Coural was born and raised. But Beto's attitude, behavior

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<v Speaker 2>and personality transformed after that burial in Bharanqui.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, he stood next to his father's coffin and he

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<v Speaker 3>walked in silence. He didn't cry, he didn't say a

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<v Speaker 3>word nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>He appeared tough, but on the inside he was a

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<v Speaker 2>child who felt tired, confused and said he knew.

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<v Speaker 4>Jagon alas Ijegola policia.

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<v Speaker 3>And then my son arrived at the funeral home and

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<v Speaker 3>then the police arrived. Four policemen lined up, two at

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<v Speaker 3>the foot of the coffin, two at the top, with

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<v Speaker 3>my son standing next to it with a very dry look,

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<v Speaker 3>in other words, with a hardness, without a gesture of pain,

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<v Speaker 3>of sadness. He had no expression on his face. Then

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<v Speaker 3>I called to him and I said, Pappy, come here,

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<v Speaker 3>are you tired. I was amazed because this kid, I

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<v Speaker 3>remember very well, said to me from now on, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not allowed to get tired. I can't get tired, and

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<v Speaker 3>I won't get tired.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's imagine the scene at the funeral. There's an eight

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<v Speaker 2>year old Beto surrounded by uniformed police officers carrying his

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<v Speaker 2>father's coffin, whom he had just seen a few weeks before.

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<v Speaker 2>When they lowered the coffin into the grave, they also

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<v Speaker 2>lowered the promise of finally living together as a family.

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<v Speaker 2>And from that moment in Brankiya, Beto has memories that

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<v Speaker 2>are almost impossible to forget.

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<v Speaker 5>Yer, we arrived in Barrankuiya and everything was disorderly. Everything

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<v Speaker 5>was horrible. Everyone was screaming, everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Was Beto has a photo he shared with me. In it,

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<v Speaker 2>he's small in the background with a stoic gaze. He's

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<v Speaker 2>surrounded by police officers. With more people gathered around. Betto

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<v Speaker 2>is helping to carry the large and heavy coffin wrapped

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<v Speaker 2>in a huge Columbian flag. The funeral changed everything for him.

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<v Speaker 2>In his mind, Beto thought of his father as a

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<v Speaker 2>detail oriented, dancing, smiling and loving man. The image of

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<v Speaker 2>the corpse in the coffin forever altered that image in

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<v Speaker 2>Beto and Jennifer's mind.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a fortunament. Unfortunately, I was able to see my

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<v Speaker 5>father dead in the coffin, and it's inevitable not to

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<v Speaker 5>remember him without seeing him dead in the casket.

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<v Speaker 6>And it seems super terrible to me that a child

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<v Speaker 6>sees that. I mean, I don't understand why they took

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<v Speaker 6>us to see that, like, look, there's your dad dead

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<v Speaker 6>and full of cotton.

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<v Speaker 1>The entire Koral family was devastating.

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<v Speaker 3>Lona, and.

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<v Speaker 6>It was also tough to see my grandmother suffer because

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<v Speaker 6>I think for a mother, it must be tough to

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<v Speaker 6>bury a child. To see my grandmother like that, she

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<v Speaker 6>still cries for him.

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<v Speaker 5>But I've never heard that type of yelling in my life.

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<v Speaker 5>The screams of my grandmother were difficult. To describe.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's because Beto and Jennifer's grandmother, who was on

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<v Speaker 2>a trip in New York, traveled back home after being

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<v Speaker 2>told only a half truth that her son Umberto had

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<v Speaker 2>not survived the surgery he was scheduled to have.

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<v Speaker 5>In a moment there they told her that my father

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<v Speaker 5>was killed and how he was killed.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a funeral with a lot of people in

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<v Speaker 2>a cemetery in the outskirts of Bankilla, outdoors under the sun.

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<v Speaker 2>The casket that seemed shocking and a sentatious to Beto,

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to go and in hand with the event. Jennifer

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<v Speaker 2>described it as having a certain tone of grandeur.

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<v Speaker 4>A sup.

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<v Speaker 6>It's super moving. I mean, the tributes, everything they do

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<v Speaker 6>is something. I mean, it's super nice because it's like

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<v Speaker 6>a movie. You see those military wakes in the movies

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<v Speaker 6>and you say, wow, how elegant all the military, but

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<v Speaker 6>really it's something super.

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<v Speaker 2>Ugly, and at their young age, Jennifer and Betto had

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<v Speaker 2>a hard time understanding what was happening.

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<v Speaker 7>Eludo Lord, the protonis moment to know for.

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<v Speaker 5>The pain at that moment is not so strong metaphorically

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<v Speaker 5>because they keep telling you that he's in heaven and

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<v Speaker 5>that he will always be with you. So as a child,

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<v Speaker 5>we always take everything very literally. So I imagine that my

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<v Speaker 5>dad was going to come see me every.

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<v Speaker 2>Day, and Beta waited for the day his dad would

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<v Speaker 2>come back to see him, but that moment would never come,

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<v Speaker 2>although the memory of his dad helped him as he

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<v Speaker 2>told his mother that day to never give up, to

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<v Speaker 2>never get tired. This is Transportista who murdered Captain Correl

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<v Speaker 2>episode four, I Can't get tired. After his father died

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<v Speaker 2>and the family gathered at the funeral, Beto Corral made

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<v Speaker 2>a promise to himself to step in as the man

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<v Speaker 2>of the family.

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<v Speaker 8>He was young. He was only eight years old. His

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<v Speaker 8>mother describes that commitment she saw in her young son.

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<v Speaker 1>Here again was.

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<v Speaker 4>Made Daijo yotra at two.

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<v Speaker 3>Since then, I've seen another attitude in Bettle. It was

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<v Speaker 3>a strange attitude and a kid a silence like here,

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<v Speaker 3>I am the one who take care of the family.

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<v Speaker 2>Beto was very compassionate and understanding with his mother, who

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<v Speaker 2>lived through very challenging times. Beto and his sister shared

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<v Speaker 2>a common goal to ease their mother's pain.

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<v Speaker 4>Casa.

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<v Speaker 3>One day, I came home and I said, well, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to fix some something to eat. So I went

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<v Speaker 3>over to start cooking, and when I opened the fridge,

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<v Speaker 3>I expected to see sausages. I had bought sausages for

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<v Speaker 3>about fifteen days to cook for them, and I also

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<v Speaker 3>had gotten some ham and some cheese.

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<v Speaker 2>Lumetti realized that all the food she had purchased for

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<v Speaker 2>her children for the next few days was no longer

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<v Speaker 2>in the refrigerator.

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<v Speaker 4>Kip us all, it's a commune to chicail Haramon, And.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, what happened? Did you eat all the sausages

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<v Speaker 3>and ham? And you know the kids, they just looked

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<v Speaker 3>back at me with fear. Then they took out coins

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<v Speaker 3>and bills from their little box. And my daughter said,

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't my fault that I told me we should

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<v Speaker 3>make hot dogs and sandwiches and sell them in the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 3>These kids, they sold our foot they sold our food.

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<v Speaker 3>But they did it to make a profit, and they

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<v Speaker 3>made a profit. And they even replaced the sausages and

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<v Speaker 3>the ham. They got more customers. They kept selling them.

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<v Speaker 2>When Captain Carl was murdered, the government of Columbia forgot

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<v Speaker 2>about them, and the family had to restart to different

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<v Speaker 2>measures to survive.

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<v Speaker 4>Camels seemed not.

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<v Speaker 3>We were left with nothing, without receiving any money, rent, food, school,

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<v Speaker 3>all that. I started taking care of everything, and it

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't too much for me because I've always worked.

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<v Speaker 2>Before his death, the family depended largely on Captain Cordral's

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<v Speaker 2>salary to get by loose. Mati had always worked selling

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<v Speaker 2>merchandise and clothes, but it was hard to take care

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<v Speaker 2>of for her two young children, completely.

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<v Speaker 4>A cargarnin having then, so I started.

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<v Speaker 3>Taking kids to school, selling lunches and groceries at home.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to say, wow, I can take care of

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<v Speaker 3>my kids. I can provide them what they need instead

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<v Speaker 3>of going to my parents' house. So I had to

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<v Speaker 3>make a lot of effort to maintain the same standard

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<v Speaker 3>of living.

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<v Speaker 2>All this while the Coral family continued to deal with

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<v Speaker 2>such a painful loss, but Beto didn't give up. He

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<v Speaker 2>suffered seeing his mother working so hard and finding herself

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<v Speaker 2>in such a difficult situations.

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<v Speaker 5>The name of mine Crusio Ntonia.

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<v Speaker 1>The community.

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<v Speaker 5>There were years when my mom didn't even have enough

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<v Speaker 5>to feed us, and she would come home crying. She

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<v Speaker 5>would say, we have nothing, I have nothing. To feed you,

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<v Speaker 5>I learned to eat something called warus. Warus is the

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<v Speaker 5>food that poor people eat in Colombia when they only

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<v Speaker 5>have rice and water, no oil or salt, so they

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<v Speaker 5>mix the rice with water, cook it and the rice

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<v Speaker 5>turns into a watery mass and we ate that for

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<v Speaker 5>many nights because we have no money.

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<v Speaker 2>These brutal shortcomings could have been less severe if the

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<v Speaker 2>state has supported louse Matti with a pension. However, in life,

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<v Speaker 2>Captain Corral omitted something that could have solved many problems

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<v Speaker 2>for them. LUs Medi, Ga Rio and Numerto Corral never

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<v Speaker 2>got married, and as we mentioned in the previous episode,

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<v Speaker 2>Captain Corral was no saint. LuSE Medi found out something

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<v Speaker 2>at the funeral that broke her heart.

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<v Speaker 5>Leaziroyu, but my dad had another boy from another woman

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<v Speaker 5>and another daughter from another woman, who I must say,

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<v Speaker 5>are wonderful. They're my siblings. I have nothing against them.

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<v Speaker 2>Better remembers that his mother, in addition to feeling pain,

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<v Speaker 2>felt anger equipies exclusive.

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<v Speaker 5>The blame is solely on my dad for exposing us

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<v Speaker 5>like this. But my mom was not married to my dad,

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<v Speaker 5>and the law in Colombia at that time was absurd

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<v Speaker 5>and did not allow the presumption of union that the

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<v Speaker 5>facto marital union can exist.

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<v Speaker 2>That is, if a couple has been together for at

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<v Speaker 2>least two years, then the state can allow it to

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<v Speaker 2>be considered a marriage. Therefore, she was left with nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>but all the four children of Captain Corral have the

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<v Speaker 2>right to receive a small amount. Economics were not the

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<v Speaker 2>only hardship the family suffered.

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<v Speaker 4>And in ya yavivia komo tromundo and in ya yametko

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<v Speaker 4>concie lokio.

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<v Speaker 3>My daughter appeared. She'd already been to see psychologists, speech

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<v Speaker 3>therapists or language therapy because she was completely blocked in

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<v Speaker 3>the classroom. She wouldn't talk. She was very scattered, and

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<v Speaker 3>once the psychologists asked Jennifer, tell me what do you want,

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<v Speaker 3>and she answered, I want to go see my dad

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<v Speaker 3>and then I'll come back.

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<v Speaker 8>While for many girls and boys, elementary school is a

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<v Speaker 8>fun and joyful period, for Jennifer it was the opposite.

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<v Speaker 9>In the momento.

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<v Speaker 5>Upi k yoya ga.

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<v Speaker 6>At that moment when they found out at my school

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<v Speaker 6>that I had become an orphan, I was the object

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<v Speaker 6>of teasing and bullying. Like I remember so much that

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<v Speaker 6>your dad went to hell for killing Escobar, like your

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<v Speaker 6>dad will pull your legs at night, and they made

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<v Speaker 6>fun of me.

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<v Speaker 2>She had to enjoy the bullying from her classmates, and

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<v Speaker 2>the mother of the family had to use what little

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<v Speaker 2>money she had to pay for private school to wish.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe is doing.

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<v Speaker 5>I studied in private schools because I was not accepted

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<v Speaker 5>in Napoli school. They did not accept me. They did

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<v Speaker 5>not give me a spot.

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<v Speaker 2>Since Beto was the son of a police officer of

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<v Speaker 2>that rank, a captain posthumously promoted to major, they assumed

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<v Speaker 2>he would have the right to study in a public

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<v Speaker 2>police school.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was the nightest spot or.

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<v Speaker 5>So lamentestleau because they were orphans only until eighth grade.

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<v Speaker 5>My mom managed to get a.

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<v Speaker 8>Spot LUSMDI had multiple jobs at the same time. She

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<v Speaker 8>fought daily to give her children the education they deserved.

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<v Speaker 8>Her life was not easy, and on top of that,

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<v Speaker 8>because she was a woman and a widow, there were

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<v Speaker 8>men who took advantage of her. She managed to get

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<v Speaker 8>a spot for him at the police school when Betta

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<v Speaker 8>started the eighth grade, the last year of middle school

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<v Speaker 8>in Columbia when he was fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>However, Aman.

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<v Speaker 7>Erector, this hypoca materk.

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<v Speaker 5>Not the way she got it. I remember to this

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<v Speaker 5>day the principal at that time, she begged and pursued

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<v Speaker 5>him to give us a spot for her two children.

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<v Speaker 5>At that moment, he asked her out, and every time

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<v Speaker 5>my mom went to his office she had to endure

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<v Speaker 5>the harassment from that man in order to get us

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<v Speaker 5>a spot. My mom even suffers sexual harassment from police

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<v Speaker 5>officers at that time, and it was very, very painful

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<v Speaker 5>to see my mom have to humiliate herself that way.

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<v Speaker 5>At that time, you saw it as normal, although my

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<v Speaker 5>mom told us, yes, he's asking me out from my mom,

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<v Speaker 5>what can we do? So I'm going to go out

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<v Speaker 5>with him? And it was very sad. Now I understand

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<v Speaker 5>it today and it angers me even more now today.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's how it was. Those were very tough years.

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<v Speaker 2>It's another case of sexual harassment in a country and

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<v Speaker 2>a region where this type of violence is so common

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<v Speaker 2>that it is seen as an epidemic that threatens women,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was not, and this is not acceptable or tolerable.

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<v Speaker 2>Those years put the whole family to the test, but

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<v Speaker 2>Beto swore he wouldn't give up. Despite the difficulties. Both

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<v Speaker 2>Jennifer and Beto graduated from school, and as Beto grew up,

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<v Speaker 2>he began to develop an increasingly strong interest in following

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<v Speaker 2>his father's footsteps police here.

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<v Speaker 5>I always wanted to be a police officer. I wanted

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<v Speaker 5>to be like my dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Every time he tried, he made a mistake that set

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<v Speaker 2>of alarms within the institution in country.

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<v Speaker 5>In every interview, I told the details of my father's murder.

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<v Speaker 2>Beto had grown up witnessing injustices and he wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>remedy them however he could. But every time he sat

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<v Speaker 2>down for an interview at the police academy, his words

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<v Speaker 2>made them uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 7>Adam Laurei lasanrevist tels mean this, and you're meeting Tolos

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<v Speaker 7>Anti Santus Catinian of Amelia.

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<v Speaker 5>So clearly during the interviews they would say, well, this

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<v Speaker 5>gentleman look at all the family's background and with seemed

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<v Speaker 5>talking too much about his dad. So I passed all

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<v Speaker 5>the exams, but when it came to the final stage,

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<v Speaker 5>the psychologist gave me a negative assessment and they rejected

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<v Speaker 5>me because they noticed in me a quite contentious personality.

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<v Speaker 2>That ended Beto's dream as a teenager to honor his

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<v Speaker 2>father's memory by following in his footsteps, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>rejected from the same institution where his father stood out

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<v Speaker 2>and was decorated. But Beto had a vocation that he

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<v Speaker 2>was not going to give up. In two thousand and eight,

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<v Speaker 2>he was accepted to study law at the Cooperative University

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<v Speaker 2>of Columbia in Ivagi, a private university. To pay tuition,

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<v Speaker 2>like he'd done his whole life, Beto worked, He prepared

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<v Speaker 2>and sold pork tamalis, and drove a taxi. Studying law

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<v Speaker 2>made him feel more confident among his classmates.

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<v Speaker 7>On Yo kaistoria ila ras polacology, I reach into the

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<v Speaker 7>camp because bndia.

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<v Speaker 5>When I told my story and the reasons why I

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<v Speaker 5>was studying law, people were a little surprised by it.

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<v Speaker 5>They were a little shocked by how he was killed.

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<v Speaker 2>And as he progressed in life and acquired greater knowledge

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<v Speaker 2>in the field of law, he dealt more and more

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<v Speaker 2>into the facts and circumstances surrounding his father's murder. He

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<v Speaker 2>also became very active on social media and started using

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<v Speaker 2>it to dig into the past. It was during this

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<v Speaker 2>period that one day his mother received a strange phone call.

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<v Speaker 2>She picked up the receiver and heard a.

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<v Speaker 3>Voice and said tell your son. They didn't ask for anything,

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<v Speaker 3>but it said tell your son to stop digging or

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<v Speaker 3>end up like his father.

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<v Speaker 1>Louse Matti was terrified.

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<v Speaker 2>Immediately, she contacted Beto and she found out something that

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<v Speaker 2>Beto had been hiding from her, that he, on his own,

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<v Speaker 2>had been investigating the events that led to his father's murder.

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<v Speaker 3>The kid starts telling me everything, and I'm amazed.

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<v Speaker 2>He had been doing it for years without telling his family.

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<v Speaker 2>LUs Metti learned that Beto began his own investigation when

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<v Speaker 2>he was an early teen.

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<v Speaker 3>So I said to him, please tell me everything. I

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<v Speaker 3>need to know everything. Then he says to me, I

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<v Speaker 3>sent two letters to the president at the time, the

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<v Speaker 3>president was al Royuribe, and he sent him two letters.

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<v Speaker 5>He was just a kid.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, thirteen, fourteen years old, maybe fifteen, but

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<v Speaker 3>he was a kid, and he said, I remember, he

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<v Speaker 3>says to me. In the year that I sent the

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<v Speaker 3>letter to the President of the Republic, Mom, I wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>asking for food or housing. I wasn't asking for help

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<v Speaker 3>with my homework or school. I was asking for my

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<v Speaker 3>father's death not to go unpunished.

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<v Speaker 2>Better revealed the details of his investigation and his contact

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<v Speaker 2>with President Alberto U rive only after his mom received

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<v Speaker 2>that call, and they weren't just threatening him through his mom.

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<v Speaker 7>Recie woman ass asked de mortenell dos Mila Kinz.

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<v Speaker 5>I received that threats in twenty fifteen. Throughout the entire year,

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<v Speaker 5>because I was insistent on my social media talking about

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<v Speaker 5>the subject, I would write many generals and policemen looking

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<v Speaker 5>for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Beto conducted his investigation on his own, with his own means.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't have access to an official file that would

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<v Speaker 2>reveal any truth or omission to him. He sought high

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<v Speaker 2>ranking police officers, constantly pressuring them to share with him

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<v Speaker 2>and the world what they knew or hid about his

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<v Speaker 2>father's murder. However, these threats sometimes confused.

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<v Speaker 5>Lejama this is police yes okay, went on that I

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<v Speaker 5>sometimes took the calls from these police officers as like.

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<v Speaker 1>Friendly, until one day it all made sense.

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<v Speaker 5>A call from a police general alerted me. At first,

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<v Speaker 5>it was funny because hello, hi General, how are you good?

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<v Speaker 5>Good beto? All good, bit Beto. Look stop that let

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<v Speaker 5>it go, brother. They're going to kill you out there,

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<v Speaker 5>and you're going to leave your mom alone. It's in

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<v Speaker 5>the past well man, thank you very much. Well take

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<v Speaker 5>care of yourself. God bless you, God bless you General.

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<v Speaker 5>I hung up after two minutes. This man who just

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<v Speaker 5>told me that if I continued, they will kill me.

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<v Speaker 5>I took it as a dead threat.

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<v Speaker 2>Beto felt restless and scared, like at his father's funeral.

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<v Speaker 2>He prefers not to reveal the identity of the police

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<v Speaker 2>officer who gave him that chilling message over the phone,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was clear and it disturbed Beto to the

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<v Speaker 2>point where he began to plan escape roots and strategies

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<v Speaker 2>in secret.

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<v Speaker 5>Mami, and one day I told Mom, I think I'm

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<v Speaker 5>gonna have to leave because they're going to kill me.

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<v Speaker 5>And yes, I'm afraid I might do something to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Because of his background and academic training, better knew his

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<v Speaker 2>country and the extreme violence that was possible. Time passed,

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<v Speaker 2>Beto had two children, He started a new chapter. He

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<v Speaker 2>began to study law. It was then that he received

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<v Speaker 2>a threat targeting one of his sons, and.

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<v Speaker 5>We read Socialist the photos I had my social networks

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<v Speaker 5>with photos of him. I was sent photos of him

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<v Speaker 5>threatening to kill him.

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<v Speaker 2>They had sent him a message by email threatening his son.

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<v Speaker 2>Beto knew he had to leave the country and fast.

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<v Speaker 5>I had to buy an urgent ticket on December twenty second,

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<v Speaker 5>because they were going to tell me they were going

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<v Speaker 5>to kill me before the end.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>This terrifying message meant that he could no longer stay

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<v Speaker 2>in Colombia. He had seen it happen too many times,

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<v Speaker 2>and each time was worse than the last. This time

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<v Speaker 2>they were not only messing with him or his mom,

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<v Speaker 2>but his son. Beto couldn't come up with another option,

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<v Speaker 2>so he shared his plans to his mom.

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<v Speaker 4>JOm me, really.

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<v Speaker 9>No.

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<v Speaker 3>I had a meltdown. I completely rejected that. I said

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<v Speaker 3>to him, no, you're not leaving. He said, hug me,

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<v Speaker 3>give me a hug and say goodbye. Don't let me

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<v Speaker 3>leave without hugging my family. I didn't say goodbye. I

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<v Speaker 3>saw how determined he was, but I thought to myself,

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<v Speaker 3>if I don't say goodbye, he won't leave. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to say goodbye. I don't want to see him go.

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<v Speaker 3>So I went home and the phone started ringing at

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<v Speaker 3>seven in the morning. I saw messages on WhatsApp saying, Mom,

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<v Speaker 3>please answer me. Don't let me go without getting a

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<v Speaker 3>hug from you. I told him I told him, no, no, Umberto,

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<v Speaker 3>don't go. I'm not gonna hug you. I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 3>say goodbye. I don't want you to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Lose Matti had to experience yet another loss. She didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to be separated from her beloved son. It was

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<v Speaker 2>as if Lose Matti was once against having a family

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<v Speaker 2>member ripped away from her, and once again it was

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<v Speaker 2>because he was seeking justice in her country. Beto decided

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<v Speaker 2>to leave before those threats were fulfilled, and he ended

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<v Speaker 2>up like a ghost like Captain Corral, with a broken

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<v Speaker 2>heart for being unable to say goodbye to his mom

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<v Speaker 2>with one last hug, especially as such a special day.

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<v Speaker 2>Beto took a flight from Bogotad to Houston on Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>Day twenty fifteen. Until this day, Beto and his mom

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<v Speaker 2>LUSEMETI haven't hugged each other again.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be back after a break.

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<v Speaker 2>Amidst death threats against his mother, his son, and himself,

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<v Speaker 2>Better arrived in the United States on a tourist visa.

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<v Speaker 2>He came alone, without his family and without knowing how

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<v Speaker 2>to speak English. Beto had never left Colombia before. He

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<v Speaker 2>decided to try his luck in the United States because

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<v Speaker 2>he was told he could get help there, he decided

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<v Speaker 2>to settle where almost all Colombians do when they arrive paramamial.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to Miami, where that cultural shock doesn't affect

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<v Speaker 5>us much. And I arrived in Miami and started my

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<v Speaker 5>asylum process, and I really didn't know how to do it.

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<v Speaker 8>Asylum is a resource for obtaining legal residence in another

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<v Speaker 8>country if applicants believe they are being persecuted in their

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<v Speaker 8>country of origin based on race, religion, membership in a

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<v Speaker 8>social group, or a defined political opinion. Although this might

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<v Speaker 8>seem suitable considering better circumstances, he entered the country on

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<v Speaker 8>a tourist visa and applied for asylum after the fact.

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<v Speaker 8>When done this way, asylum seekers face a high risk

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<v Speaker 8>of getting processed or deported due to what is called

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<v Speaker 8>a false entry. Nevertheless, and despite the risk, Beto began

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<v Speaker 8>this long process.

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<v Speaker 5>Independent paralle But then I would told that it was

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<v Speaker 5>better to do it through an independent process with a

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<v Speaker 5>paralegal or a lawyer who said that. So I did

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<v Speaker 5>it that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Apart from fleeing to save his own life, better thought,

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps naively, that the United States would also help him

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<v Speaker 2>bring justice to his father's case.

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<v Speaker 5>Today, I believe that the United States was going to

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<v Speaker 5>help me to protect my mother's life. I believe that

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<v Speaker 5>the United States, because my father gave his life in

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<v Speaker 5>the war and worked with the DEA, was going to

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<v Speaker 5>help me.

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<v Speaker 2>Because let's not forget Captain Corral, as part of the

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<v Speaker 2>Search Blog, collaborated with the DEA and FBI to end

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<v Speaker 2>the reign of Powloskar. Captain Corral had also received training

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<v Speaker 2>in the US. Better thought this would make it easier

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<v Speaker 2>for him to obtain asylum. But more than seven years

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<v Speaker 2>have passed, Beto has not been able to obtain asylum

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States. It has been more than seven

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<v Speaker 2>years without him hanging his mother, and he has been

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<v Speaker 2>separated from his children. But as he told his mother

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<v Speaker 2>that day when he was only eight years old, he

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<v Speaker 2>would never give up.

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<v Speaker 5>How much Albuss at Washington, I traveled many times to Washington,

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<v Speaker 5>took action before the Inter American Commission and Human Rights.

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<v Speaker 2>This commission is part of the Organization of American States

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<v Speaker 2>based in Washington, DC. Betho filed complaints and began exhausting

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<v Speaker 2>his resources to pursue his father's case and protect himself.

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<v Speaker 2>But again he was not making progress. The Commission denied

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<v Speaker 2>him the resources for precautionary measures and protection twice. In

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<v Speaker 2>addition to seeking justice for his father's case, he also

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<v Speaker 2>became involved in other causes of social leaders in Colombia

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<v Speaker 2>and those injured in protests, not only with the Commission

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<v Speaker 2>but also with the United Nations. And this was not

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<v Speaker 2>his only priority. Remember that Veto arrived in the United

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<v Speaker 2>States with no money. He only had one semester left

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<v Speaker 2>to finish law school, but in the United States it

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<v Speaker 2>was impossible for him to have his studies recognized. He

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<v Speaker 2>had to start a new life. Like millions of other

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<v Speaker 2>migrants who come to the United States, he began to

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<v Speaker 2>work wherever he could, again facing the economic necessity of

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<v Speaker 2>doing whatever it takes to.

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<v Speaker 7>Survive find okay as it als Columbianos and his anal

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<v Speaker 7>extriory limiting as well.

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<v Speaker 5>I came to do what all Colombians do when they

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<v Speaker 5>are abroad and put in the airport. I have been

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<v Speaker 5>of vala parking attendant. I picked up garbage. I was

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<v Speaker 5>a waiter. I did more. I worked in construction. I

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<v Speaker 5>did one of the toughest jobs in the United States

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<v Speaker 5>in a bakery, cooking bread is terrible because you go

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<v Speaker 5>from extreme heat to extreme cold over time.

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<v Speaker 2>When Beto took the dough out of the freezer and

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<v Speaker 2>went to the oven area, he told me that this

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<v Speaker 2>cast his eye veins to burst, and he also burned

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<v Speaker 2>the skin.

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<v Speaker 1>On his arms. So he decided to cover the scar

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<v Speaker 1>with a tattoo.

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<v Speaker 5>Really a panel pricipio. It was terrible. The bread burned

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<v Speaker 5>at first. Well, but there's a saying that goes A

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<v Speaker 5>baker who doesn't burn the bread is not a good baker.

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<v Speaker 2>And yes, better baked bread. Parked cars in a valid

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<v Speaker 2>parking lot or drove for uver. But even in exile,

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<v Speaker 2>while waiting for news on his status as an asylum

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<v Speaker 2>seeker in the United States and knocking on the United

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<v Speaker 2>Nations door or the Inter American Commission on Human Rights,

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<v Speaker 2>he did not give up his quest for justice.

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<v Speaker 1>For his father's case. From Afar.

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<v Speaker 2>He thought to obtain more details that would completely change

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<v Speaker 2>the course of his investigation, even if it meant facing

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<v Speaker 2>the highest levels of power in his.

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<v Speaker 7>Countryfu La primer Optineties experient.

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<v Speaker 5>And it was the first time after almost twenty six years,

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<v Speaker 5>that I managed to obtain that file. But it was

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<v Speaker 5>like that it was by force.

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<v Speaker 2>Judical file that had been hidden for decades, which would

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<v Speaker 2>completely change the course of his investigation and it would

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<v Speaker 2>also change the direction of his life. That's on the

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<v Speaker 2>next episode of Transportista who Murdered Captain Coral.

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<v Speaker 5>On my folio called the photo Recorrindo toiles off with

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<v Speaker 5>my case number, letters and father's photo. Visit in all

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<v Speaker 5>the judicial offices, so they would listen to me, give

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<v Speaker 5>me the file, move it or draw attention, look do

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<v Speaker 5>something to discover my father's killer. Everyone ignored me. I

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<v Speaker 5>think the Prosecutor's office didn't give it to me, and

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<v Speaker 5>I think they would help the file for many years

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<v Speaker 5>so that I wouldn't do anything. In the years when

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<v Speaker 5>I could have done something.

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<v Speaker 9>The close ones were dying. And then four months later

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<v Speaker 9>they killed a lieutenant. It wasn't a captain, but they

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<v Speaker 9>killed him in the same conditions that they killed Don Vertico.

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<v Speaker 8>Transportista Who Murdered Captain Corral is a production of Exile

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<v Speaker 8>Content Studio and Detective in partnership with Iheartzmichael Toura podcast Network,

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<v Speaker 2>Beto coral Is, Razio Mancilla, Jennifer corral Is, Andrea Sevaios,

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