WEBVTT - Jillian Jacqueline 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:14.880 Carola. She's the queen of talking. He was sown your man. 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:18.239 She's only yes side. You got the scoop on the 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:28.360 one side. No one can do with Clide My Carala Carola. 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:36.320 No one can do with Clid Caralai Carola. Hey, y'all, 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:39.800 welcome to Hyper Caroline Hobby. I am your host, Caroline Hobby. 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:42.519 I know music, I know people, and I know the 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.440 questions do you want to ask? So let's get hyper 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:49.479 heads up. These are adults having adult conversations, so there 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:54.840 could be adult content. This episode is super exciting. I 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:56.960 have one of the hottest new females in country music 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:00.600 joined me, Gillian Jacqueline. She has all sorts of new 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:02.920 songs that her single hate Me is on Spotify. It's 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:05.280 already had a couple of million streams as well as 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.520 her other single Reasons. She's been opening for Dwight Yoakum, 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:11.360 but like Herrington, she got her start with Kenny Rogers. 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:14.600 Her story it's fantastic you. I promise we'll love her 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:17.520 and we'll just want to eat her music. Up Here 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:22.880 is Jillian Jacqueline. I am so thrilled to have you 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:24.880 with me. Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:29.200 First off, I've known you forever, like how long? Six years? 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:31.839 Six years? Yeah. We even wrote us a Long Time Together, 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:35.640 we did before you became Jillian. Should we do that again? No, 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.800 I've retired from writing songs no more. Yeah. The last song, actually, 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:44.280 thing I ever wrote was probably with you. Yeah really yeah, 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:46.720 because I was having one of my many midlife meltdown 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:50.280 crisis is that LIFEB had several and you were right 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:52.040 there and we wrote a song about it was called 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:54.680 Papa because you were in a trio at the time 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:58.080 and it wasn't going according to plan. I had an 0:01:58.120 --> 0:01:59.960 experience like that when I first moved here. I was 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:02.280 like thrown into a duo with a guy. That's how 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:06.560 we met. Oh my god, I forgot about that. Yeah, 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.120 what were y'all called? Um? We changed our name like 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:12.040 five times. We were Jillian and Ryan, and we were Carousel. 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:14.920 We had a bunch of different things. Um, but it 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:17.480 just wasn't It didn't work out. And it was you know, 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:19.400 eight months of time where we have just tried and 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.280 the chemistry just wasn't there. So and that's kind of 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:24.359 something that I really want to talk to you about today. 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:25.680 But we have so much to talk about. But I'm 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:28.480 just gonna harp on it right now since they're talking 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:32.720 about it. You have been so ready for this career 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.600 for so long, or brady is not the right word. 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.799 You have been poised for this career for so long, 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:41.960 starting at nine years old when you were pretty much 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.400 discovered by Kenny Rodgers, which we have to talk about, 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.880 and then Vince Gill and then your sisters had a 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:52.560 band was it Luna Halo Luna Luna Bells that were 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.160 signed and you weren't a part of that. But then 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:59.080 you have your own duo that's happening, which I forgot about. 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:02.040 All of these things have happened in your music career 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:04.960 that you would think one of them would have just 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:08.720 gone like this starting at nine. But it's it's now. 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:11.120 It's happening now. It's happening now, and it's supposed to 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.440 be now. And I feel like with my entire existence 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:15.560 that it's supposed to be now. For you, it's spupposed 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.600 to be sooner. Thank you, don't you feel? I completely agree? 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:22.880 I mean I have to think that because I'm twenty 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:27.800 nine to wait twenty years for it, Yeah, yeah, I think, Um, 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:29.920 it didn't feel like waiting you know, it felt like 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:33.560 each phase was like such a different thing, and I 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:35.760 was doing I was making music at all the stages 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:40.320 of my life. But um, I always really thought long 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:43.680 and hard about everything, so all those like stages meant something. 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:48.560 But this moment is actually, um a culmination of like 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.720 me as a human being, like finding out exactly what 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.520 I wanted to say. Um, and that takes a long time, 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:56.720 at least it did for me, you know, And I 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:59.640 feel like these songs really reflect that. And you know, 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:02.000 you've own me long enough that you knew I was 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:06.120 in a relationship for a really long time, and so um, 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:09.160 you know, I've been writing songs for since I got 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:12.360 here and then before that. But these songs, a lot 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.920 of these songs on this album were like six months old, 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:16.880 and we like wrote them and we went right into 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:19.839 the studio and they're very fresh from something that I 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:23.039 was actually going through. And I this like Reasons and 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:26.520 hate Me, which the title hate Me is the best 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:31.039 title of a song I've ever heard. Thanks. They're so real, 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:34.040 like when you're saying, we're standing at the kitchen sing 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:37.240 and we feel like roommates. Oh yeah, that's that's reasons 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.400 for Reasons I'm like, oh my gosh, the way that 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:45.599 you're putting your relationship that was falling apart into a song. 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:50.120 How many people feel that but don't know how to 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:51.880 say it, and you say it in such a way 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:55.440 I've never heard said before, with the hookiest melodies behind it. Yeah. 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.280 I think a lot of that is due to the 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.080 fact that I wrote them with my best friend. His 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:04.680 name's Toford Brown, and he was my therapist through a 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:06.960 lot of what I was going through and songwriting Protect 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:10.680 the toy. He's so talented, and you know, we became 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.920 we became friends first, so we were just hanging out 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.640 and really talking to each other as as best friends, 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:20.480 and um, everything was super honest and super real. So 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:22.279 when we were going to write songs, there was no 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.440 sugarcoating and no skating around it. And for a long 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.520 time as a as a writer, I was actually avoiding 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:32.239 talking about relationships because, um, as a female, I wanted 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.400 to prove to myself that I didn't have to talk 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.640 about men, boys, men whatever. I wanted to talk about 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:42.160 other things. And then you want to talk about um, 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:45.040 just you know, life things and and what makes me 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:48.200 human being, and um, you know, I had a lot 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.799 of like funny tongue in cheek things that I wanted 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:54.800 to say. Um And essentially I still have that side, 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.520 but a lot of that was just me trying to 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:00.440 avoid actually saying the stuff that I didn't want to 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:05.160 admit that was going on. And these songs came out 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:09.720 and I couldn't really stop them. Yeah, feel like they 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:13.320 were divine too in a way. It was like a 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:17.919 journal entry. It was just things I was writing down 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:20.039 and things I was saying out loud, and then we 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:25.279 just put them to music and that felt really scary 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:29.479 and very emotional. Feels very like they even though the 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:31.760 songs are so hooky, you learn them and once I 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:35.560 hear them one time, it's memorized, but the lyrics feel 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:39.240 very vulnerable and very raw. And I was actually wanting 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:41.880 to talk to you about that. Is it terrifying to 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:46.599 be so honest? It should be? It probably should be. 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.560 It it has been. Putting them out has been really 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:52.720 scary because the person that they're about will hear them, 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:55.440 and everybody that knew us will hear them, and they'll 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.600 know that. I kind of went for the jugular, like 0:06:58.080 --> 0:06:59.839 I just said it because I had to say it. 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.120 It I think, but you still said it peacefully. You 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:05.239 didn't say anything that's not there's nothing you're just saying. 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:08.080 You're just saying how a relationship is when it's falling apart. 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.760 I think it's important to be um open minded and 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:15.200 also see that everybody has a story, that person has 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:16.760 a side of the story. I have a side to 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:20.239 the story, and I would never, um, I would never 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:24.440 put the you know, the bad guy role on someone 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:26.720 that didn't ask for that. That's not just not fair. 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:30.920 So I think the most important thing is when you're 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:34.280 being truthful, is the truth is everybody has their side. 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:37.880 You know. You can't just write a song and pretend 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.720 that they were the only We're the only one. No, yeah, 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:43.640 because it's never really that way. We all in relationships. 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:45.840 It's always two sided. So they say it's your side, 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:49.120 my side of the truth. Yeah right, yeah, yeah, So 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.160 you've got to tell both sides of the story. And 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.760 I think I hope that we did that with these songs. 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:55.720 I think we did, And I mean the album is 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.080 very I think the album is really well rounded. It's 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:02.520 not just about this breakup. Um, it's uh, like you said, 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:03.920 it took me a really long time to get here. 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:06.160 So I had a lot of stuff to say. There's 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:09.040 songs um that I've already put out that are going 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:10.920 on the album as well. There's a song called kids 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.640 These Days that has been really important to me for 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:17.520 a long time. Uh tofer and I wrote that and 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.760 we wrote it about three and a half four years ago, 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:27.720 and it is something that I've noticed in UM culture, 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:29.560 and I'm sure we all have. It's kind of a 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:33.000 recurring theme where the teenagers do all the wrong things 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:35.120 and the parents are shaking their heads and saying, oh 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.840 my gosh, the world's going to hell there. They don't 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:40.920 understand anything, they have no morals, and it's happened literally 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:43.720 for decades and decades and decades. Yeah, and it's just it. 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:47.240 It happens in every generation. And I wanted to sum 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:50.160 that up and be like, dude, my parents were the 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:52.600 bad guys when they were young, and now they're telling 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.240 us that, you know, we don't stand for anything and 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.600 we are to um wishy washy about our you know, 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:01.400 political opinions and all this stuff. So I thought that 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.080 was worth commenting on and just saying, you know, when 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.680 you grow up, you just kind of you kind of 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:09.000 want to break out of your skin, figure out where 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.640 you stand in the world, and um, that song is 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:15.640 kind of about that. So I love Crime too. It 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:17.960 is making the album. I'm so excited because I still 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:20.240 really love that. I love that song, and that's kind 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:22.800 of in the same sort of vein, like you want 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:24.679 to live in your prime, Like, yeah, how great that 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:27.280 you are aware that you're in your prime. Well, I 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:29.600 I've had forty five year old women tell me like, 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:31.520 I love this song because it makes me feel like 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:33.360 I'm in my prime. And I'm like, you are, like 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:35.680 wherever you are in your life and you feel happy 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:39.840 to be there, that's your prime, you know. And that's 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:43.679 so true. Um. I think I like read somewhere online 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:47.640 that they consider your prime, you know. Um, actually it's 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:50.600 like married couples whose kids have moved out and then 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:52.320 they're in their prime because they get to enjoy their 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:55.360 mom is she's free as bird, she loves empty nest. 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:59.679 It's great. Yeah, see you wherever you are or you are. Yeah. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.240 Think that's really important too for people to know. And 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:04.720 I mean we all struggle with that, you know, thinking 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.520 that the best thing is either behind us or two 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:10.240 cut of us. But it could be right where we 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:11.959 are right now. I think it always is, is that 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:14.960 I like to think, so okay, so when I kind 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:17.640 of go to the beginning, sure, you're nine years old. 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.800 Nine years old. This is a hilarious story because this 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:22.959 is actually the story of my life, which is why 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:25.880 it took me so long to get here, because I 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:29.880 was so, um clueless. My mom saw an ad for 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.600 a for a Broadway show audition in a newspaper that 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:35.720 we got, and we lived in Pennsylvania, and so after 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:37.200 school one day it was like the last day of 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:39.679 third grade, she drove me two hours to New York City. 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:42.880 We got there, the audition was already closing. They'd already 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.640 seen like fifty girls. And my mom was like, please, 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:47.480 just like let her come in and she just wants 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:51.080 to sing and she can read the part, and um, 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.720 it was horrible. I had two different colored socks on 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:56.840 and they asked me to dance and I could not 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.800 dance there like can you do a shuffle thing whatever? 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.600 Girls that I don't know what those dance moves are, 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:04.080 but I didn't know how to do it. And I 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:08.400 was like, I, um, I don't know. How did you know? 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:10.320 They had a woman there that was supposed to teach 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:11.640 you how to do it, and she like showed me 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:14.080 one time through and I just couldn't get it. But 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:16.400 I saying, the sun will come out tomorrow. And my 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.120 head shot was a picture of me and my aunt 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:24.200 from dinner my mom my, well it was a picture. 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:25.880 It wasn't even a head shot. They're like, you have 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:27.520 a picture of my mom's like, this is all we have. 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:30.920 And she handed him this picture of me and my aunt. So, 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.200 needless to say, the audition did not go well. But 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:38.360 we're driving home from New York and we get a 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:40.720 phone call. My mom gets a phone call and it 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:42.360 was the producer of the show, and he's like, we 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.400 love her, we love that she had no idea what 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.120 she was doing. Can you come back? And so we 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:49.760 had to do three more auditions and anyway, long story short, 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.240 I ended up doing the last audition with Kenny and 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:55.160 then that was on Broadway. It was this Christmas show. 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:59.120 He started your whole career on Broadway with Kenny Rogers. Yeah, 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:01.400 I mean fast forward through all the open mic nights 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:03.480 and karaoke that I did when I was like seven 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:05.480 and eight, and he doesn't even knowice start this at 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:08.520 seven or eight, I was just singing in the car 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:12.080 to the radio like Patty Loveless and Pam Tillis and 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:15.280 Lorie Morgan, just singing all the time, and so my 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:17.719 mom just was trying to find outlets for me to 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:19.240 get to do that in front of people, because she 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:22.240 was like, I think she's good. So I thank god 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:25.400 my mom was such a mamag because she really pushed 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.760 me to do it and it made me feel um 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:30.640 like proud. I was like, oh, I can do this 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:32.679 and people like it when I do it. How wonderful 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:34.560 to have a supportive parent, because so many both of 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:37.200 my parents were so supportive. So many parents don't support 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:39.120 their children and their dreams. I think that's crazy. You 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:40.880 need to go to school and finish it all the way. 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.480 They don't really want to, not that you shouldn't finish school, 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:45.679 but they don't take it seriously. I think it's like 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:49.840 a little hobby. Oh yeah, I mean I've heard so 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:52.320 many stories of that happening to friends of mine and 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.600 even like legend artists like Tom petty Is in his 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:58.679 um in his What's the Running Down a Dream? In 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.160 that movie, he talks about how he's dad hated that 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.400 he was a musician. I'm like, that is amazing to 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:05.760 me that he kept going with all that resistance. But 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.400 I didn't have that. I've never had that. My parents 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:11.679 are incredibly supportive, and I mean they pulled us out 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.520 of school. We were home schooled for a long time. 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:17.720 And you started training with your sisters getting into music 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.240 because then all of them are also in music also. Well, 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:23.160 we started together because after I did the Kenny's Show 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:27.040 on Broadway, it went on tour for h five years 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:30.240 and I did the same part for years four. Yeah, 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.840 so we were like on the road for three months 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:35.280 out of the year with Kenny, and he brought all 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:37.840 my sisters, he brought my parents. It was a big production. 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:39.880 I mean there was a lot of people. But um, 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:42.319 my sisters and I started a band during that time, 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.000 just a four sister family band. We called ourselves the 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:48.480 Little Women Band after the movie and the book, so 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:50.320 we know where you were in your life reading A 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:55.240 Little Women totally. Yeah, we all like matched the characters 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.920 in order, like Beth Amy joe y'all really did match them. 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:01.480 We thought we did. Yeah, we liked we liked to 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.640 think so yeah, and then um, the band kind of 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:08.000 became our lives while we're homeschooled. So we were on 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:11.840 the road in a van, just going wherever, playing festivals 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:14.400 and fairs. And do you get booked when you're when 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:16.480 you don't have an agent and you don't really have 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.600 how do you make that? I mean, these weren't like 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:23.440 high level shows. You're still getting shows. My mom was 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:27.160 very tenacious. She was the kind of woman that was like, well, 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:28.840 we don't have tickets to the show, but we can 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:30.400 just show up and like someone will let us in. 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:32.320 I'm like, I don't know if it works like that, mom, 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:34.280 but she would just get us in and then she'd 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:36.920 be like, well, I know the security guard because um 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:38.400 so and so, and she was just talked to him 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:40.360 to let us backstage. And then we would get backstage 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:42.560 and I'm like, huh, just act like you know what 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.480 you're doing and people let you into place. Have you 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:51.320 taken that philosophy? I try sometimes my like type a 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:53.560 stand in line, follow the leader comes into plan like no, 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.640 we can't do this, no, but I have I have 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:57.720 a little bit of her in me for sure with that. 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:00.720 So what was it like perform me with Kenny Rogers? 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:03.720 Were you even old enough to be starstruck by him, 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:07.080 or did you know what was happening. I I'm gonna 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.440 admit I did not know. That always better. It's a 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:12.560 blessing to be naive about it. You had no idea. 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:15.960 You're fresh on the planet. You're really like the world. 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:19.200 I knew more about his chicken than I knew about 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:21.520 because he had a restaurant for a long time, so 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:26.960 I had heard of that killer Rogers Roasters which didn't last. Yeah, 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:29.680 so I knew about that. But obviously I became very 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:31.800 familiar with all of his stuff, I mean, the Gambler 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:35.080 and Lucille, and I've seen his live show I don't 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:37.160 know how many times. So I have all those songs 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.400 memorized now, and I'm I'm he is. I'm so thankful 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.560 because I learned so much from him about longevity in 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:48.280 your career and just being respectful of the process. And 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:50.720 I mean, he's had so many different waves of like 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:54.440 being popular and than not, and he's just been very 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:58.000 just even keeled and steady and trusted. And it's awesome 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:01.760 to watch. What is he like as a performer? What 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.320 did you take away getting to watch on stage? So 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.680 that impact how you perform and how how you view 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:13.120 the entertainment industry. He yes, because he's very aware that 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.880 people want a certain thing from each artist. They fall 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:19.200 in love with you for a certain reason. And he's 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:21.880 so good about playing the songs the same way every night. 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:25.480 He tells the same jokes and they're all still really funny. Um. 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.080 He knows exactly what they expect when they buy a 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:29.960 ticket and he gives it to them, and he's he 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.400 has no pride or ego about that, like I want 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:34.320 to try this differently, I want to do this. He's like, no, 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:36.000 I'm going to give them what they want, and this 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:38.840 is what they want. And he's also so humble. He'll 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.880 say things like I'm not a really good singer, but 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.880 I just pick great songs, like you're an incredible singer. 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.320 But he just doesn't ever let himself go to like 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:51.000 that place of ego where he's the greatest thing that 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:53.320 God's ever made, which I think a lot of artists 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:58.360 probably do. I feel like being humble. Really, the artists 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.480 that really make it really are humble. And we were 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:03.840 talking about share you're kind of mentioning that because you 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:08.320 were just watching the Billboard. Yes, last time I can't 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:11.360 speak for how Humble shares. I don't know, well, her 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.000 wigs are pretty big, so I don't know what that means. 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:18.120 But I think that she was so cool to say 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.240 what she said when she accepted her she had it 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:24.000 was some lifetime achievement award, I think, and she just said, 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:25.720 you know, I'm gonna be honest. I think a lot 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:27.359 of this was luck. I think a lot of my 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:31.520 career was just I got lucky. And um to admit that, 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:33.240 you know, so late in your career. She didn't want 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.240 to sin up there and say I did everything right. 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:38.560 I take all this recognition, and I was just, you know, 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:41.240 I worked really hard. No, she said it was luck, 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:45.040 and that is um. You know, it's almost like discrediting 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:48.080 all the hard work that she did and how she persevered. 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.920 But I like that honesty because I kind of believe 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:53.159 that too. I think a lot of it is the 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:56.679 right combination of being prepared and also the situation just 0:17:56.760 --> 0:18:00.639 coming your way. And that's probably why, you know, I'm 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:05.080 at the point now where yeah, you can't give a journey. Yeah, 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.160 I mean for me, there was really no other option 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:11.919 because I just I'm wired to want to make music 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.520 and share it with people. And that probably comes from 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.520 my parents, to just instilling that, like, you have a gift, 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:21.000 you should share it, And I think, um, I think 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:25.080 that's really important. But yeah, share is obviously a legend. 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.840 And for her to say that was really interesting to me, 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.280 just to kind of put the credit back on luck, 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:32.400 because it is true though you see all these people 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:35.000 who are so talented who really never get their big break. 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:39.679 But also I do think it is bound to happen. 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:41.879 If you have the gift and the talent and the 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:44.679 drive and never let it stop, it is bound to 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.240 somewhere or another. I think you're right. I don't think 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:50.439 it can be avoided. It made your whole life or 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:54.080 even after you're dead, but it's going to be exposed. Yeah, 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:56.440 I think that. I've seen that happen with a lot 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:58.560 of artists in town who I met at a certain 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:01.200 point and maybe things hadn't gone as well for them 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:03.480 and they were frustrated and they didn't stop. And then 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:07.159 all of a sudden, for an instance, so starting at 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:11.720 nine and it just now all coming together twenty years later. Well, 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:14.160 I kind of view it not as like this aha moment, 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:17.320 but more of like another step up the mountain. It's 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:19.560 not like I finally made it. It's more like, this 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:22.680 is really cool that I'm getting to a larger audience now, 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:24.639 and then the next step will come and then I'll 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:26.119 fall back down the mountain and then I'll have to 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:27.880 walk back up and then fall back down. I think 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:29.840 that's what it is like that that you see. It 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:33.280 have to because it changes so fast. I mean, we 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:36.840 know with social media, there's so many different ways people 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:40.000 discover music now, and so the relationship with artists is 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:42.560 so different than what we grew up with even and 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:44.680 I have to keep that in mind when I'm making 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:47.960 music that, um, you know, it feels like to me, 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:50.000 it's like my heart and my soul in a song. 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:54.240 But also, um, you know, come like another six months 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:56.240 or a year, people are going to want something else 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:58.560 and then something else. So you're gonna have to keep 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:03.800 figuring out how to either reinvent yourself or become We're honest, 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:06.359 or try different things or Yeah, it's like a new 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:10.320 challenge all the time. So you have this big Kenny 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.719