Speaker 1: Carola. She's the queen of talking. He was sown your man.
Speaker 1: She's only yes side. You got the scoop on the
Speaker 1: one side. No one can do with Clide My Carala Carola.
Speaker 1: No one can do with Clid Caralai Carola. Hey, y'all,
Speaker 1: welcome to Hyper Caroline Hobby. I am your host, Caroline Hobby.
Speaker 1: I know music, I know people, and I know the
Speaker 1: questions do you want to ask? So let's get hyper
Speaker 1: heads up. These are adults having adult conversations, so there
Speaker 1: could be adult content. This episode is super exciting. I
Speaker 1: have one of the hottest new females in country music
Speaker 1: joined me, Gillian Jacqueline. She has all sorts of new
Speaker 1: songs that her single hate Me is on Spotify. It's
Speaker 1: already had a couple of million streams as well as
Speaker 1: her other single Reasons. She's been opening for Dwight Yoakum,
Speaker 1: but like Herrington, she got her start with Kenny Rogers.
Speaker 1: Her story it's fantastic you. I promise we'll love her
Speaker 1: and we'll just want to eat her music. Up Here
Speaker 1: is Jillian Jacqueline. I am so thrilled to have you
Speaker 1: with me. Thank you. I'm so happy to be here.
Speaker 1: First off, I've known you forever, like how long? Six years?
Speaker 1: Six years? Yeah. We even wrote us a Long Time Together,
Speaker 1: we did before you became Jillian. Should we do that again? No,
Speaker 1: I've retired from writing songs no more. Yeah. The last song, actually,
Speaker 1: thing I ever wrote was probably with you. Yeah really yeah,
Speaker 1: because I was having one of my many midlife meltdown
Speaker 1: crisis is that LIFEB had several and you were right
Speaker 1: there and we wrote a song about it was called
Speaker 1: Papa because you were in a trio at the time
Speaker 1: and it wasn't going according to plan. I had an
Speaker 1: experience like that when I first moved here. I was
Speaker 1: like thrown into a duo with a guy. That's how
Speaker 1: we met. Oh my god, I forgot about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what were y'all called? Um? We changed our name like
Speaker 1: five times. We were Jillian and Ryan, and we were Carousel.
Speaker 1: We had a bunch of different things. Um, but it
Speaker 1: just wasn't It didn't work out. And it was you know,
Speaker 1: eight months of time where we have just tried and
Speaker 1: the chemistry just wasn't there. So and that's kind of
Speaker 1: something that I really want to talk to you about today.
Speaker 1: But we have so much to talk about. But I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna harp on it right now since they're talking
Speaker 1: about it. You have been so ready for this career
Speaker 1: for so long, or brady is not the right word.
Speaker 1: You have been poised for this career for so long,
Speaker 1: starting at nine years old when you were pretty much
Speaker 1: discovered by Kenny Rodgers, which we have to talk about,
Speaker 1: and then Vince Gill and then your sisters had a
Speaker 1: band was it Luna Halo Luna Luna Bells that were
Speaker 1: signed and you weren't a part of that. But then
Speaker 1: you have your own duo that's happening, which I forgot about.
Speaker 1: All of these things have happened in your music career
Speaker 1: that you would think one of them would have just
Speaker 1: gone like this starting at nine. But it's it's now.
Speaker 1: It's happening now. It's happening now, and it's supposed to
Speaker 1: be now. And I feel like with my entire existence
Speaker 1: that it's supposed to be now. For you, it's spupposed
Speaker 1: to be sooner. Thank you, don't you feel? I completely agree?
Speaker 1: I mean I have to think that because I'm twenty
Speaker 1: nine to wait twenty years for it, Yeah, yeah, I think, Um,
Speaker 1: it didn't feel like waiting you know, it felt like
Speaker 1: each phase was like such a different thing, and I
Speaker 1: was doing I was making music at all the stages
Speaker 1: of my life. But um, I always really thought long
Speaker 1: and hard about everything, so all those like stages meant something.
Speaker 1: But this moment is actually, um a culmination of like
Speaker 1: me as a human being, like finding out exactly what
Speaker 1: I wanted to say. Um, and that takes a long time,
Speaker 1: at least it did for me, you know, And I
Speaker 1: feel like these songs really reflect that. And you know,
Speaker 1: you've own me long enough that you knew I was
Speaker 1: in a relationship for a really long time, and so um,
Speaker 1: you know, I've been writing songs for since I got
Speaker 1: here and then before that. But these songs, a lot
Speaker 1: of these songs on this album were like six months old,
Speaker 1: and we like wrote them and we went right into
Speaker 1: the studio and they're very fresh from something that I
Speaker 1: was actually going through. And I this like Reasons and
Speaker 1: hate Me, which the title hate Me is the best
Speaker 1: title of a song I've ever heard. Thanks. They're so real,
Speaker 1: like when you're saying, we're standing at the kitchen sing
Speaker 1: and we feel like roommates. Oh yeah, that's that's reasons
Speaker 1: for Reasons I'm like, oh my gosh, the way that
Speaker 1: you're putting your relationship that was falling apart into a song.
Speaker 1: How many people feel that but don't know how to
Speaker 1: say it, and you say it in such a way
Speaker 1: I've never heard said before, with the hookiest melodies behind it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of that is due to the
Speaker 1: fact that I wrote them with my best friend. His
Speaker 1: name's Toford Brown, and he was my therapist through a
Speaker 1: lot of what I was going through and songwriting Protect
Speaker 1: the toy. He's so talented, and you know, we became
Speaker 1: we became friends first, so we were just hanging out
Speaker 1: and really talking to each other as as best friends,
Speaker 1: and um, everything was super honest and super real. So
Speaker 1: when we were going to write songs, there was no
Speaker 1: sugarcoating and no skating around it. And for a long
Speaker 1: time as a as a writer, I was actually avoiding
Speaker 1: talking about relationships because, um, as a female, I wanted
Speaker 1: to prove to myself that I didn't have to talk
Speaker 1: about men, boys, men whatever. I wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: other things. And then you want to talk about um,
Speaker 1: just you know, life things and and what makes me
Speaker 1: human being, and um, you know, I had a lot
Speaker 1: of like funny tongue in cheek things that I wanted
Speaker 1: to say. Um And essentially I still have that side,
Speaker 1: but a lot of that was just me trying to
Speaker 1: avoid actually saying the stuff that I didn't want to
Speaker 1: admit that was going on. And these songs came out
Speaker 1: and I couldn't really stop them. Yeah, feel like they
Speaker 1: were divine too in a way. It was like a
Speaker 1: journal entry. It was just things I was writing down
Speaker 1: and things I was saying out loud, and then we
Speaker 1: just put them to music and that felt really scary
Speaker 1: and very emotional. Feels very like they even though the
Speaker 1: songs are so hooky, you learn them and once I
Speaker 1: hear them one time, it's memorized, but the lyrics feel
Speaker 1: very vulnerable and very raw. And I was actually wanting
Speaker 1: to talk to you about that. Is it terrifying to
Speaker 1: be so honest? It should be? It probably should be.
Speaker 1: It it has been. Putting them out has been really
Speaker 1: scary because the person that they're about will hear them,
Speaker 1: and everybody that knew us will hear them, and they'll
Speaker 1: know that. I kind of went for the jugular, like
Speaker 1: I just said it because I had to say it.
Speaker 1: It I think, but you still said it peacefully. You
Speaker 1: didn't say anything that's not there's nothing you're just saying.
Speaker 1: You're just saying how a relationship is when it's falling apart.
Speaker 1: I think it's important to be um open minded and
Speaker 1: also see that everybody has a story, that person has
Speaker 1: a side of the story. I have a side to
Speaker 1: the story, and I would never, um, I would never
Speaker 1: put the you know, the bad guy role on someone
Speaker 1: that didn't ask for that. That's not just not fair.
Speaker 1: So I think the most important thing is when you're
Speaker 1: being truthful, is the truth is everybody has their side.
Speaker 1: You know. You can't just write a song and pretend
Speaker 1: that they were the only We're the only one. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's never really that way. We all in relationships.
Speaker 1: It's always two sided. So they say it's your side,
Speaker 1: my side of the truth. Yeah right, yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 1: you've got to tell both sides of the story. And
Speaker 1: I think I hope that we did that with these songs.
Speaker 1: I think we did, And I mean the album is
Speaker 1: very I think the album is really well rounded. It's
Speaker 1: not just about this breakup. Um, it's uh, like you said,
Speaker 1: it took me a really long time to get here.
Speaker 1: So I had a lot of stuff to say. There's
Speaker 1: songs um that I've already put out that are going
Speaker 1: on the album as well. There's a song called kids
Speaker 1: These Days that has been really important to me for
Speaker 1: a long time. Uh tofer and I wrote that and
Speaker 1: we wrote it about three and a half four years ago,
Speaker 1: and it is something that I've noticed in UM culture,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure we all have. It's kind of a
Speaker 1: recurring theme where the teenagers do all the wrong things
Speaker 1: and the parents are shaking their heads and saying, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, the world's going to hell there. They don't
Speaker 1: understand anything, they have no morals, and it's happened literally
Speaker 1: for decades and decades and decades. Yeah, and it's just it.
Speaker 1: It happens in every generation. And I wanted to sum
Speaker 1: that up and be like, dude, my parents were the
Speaker 1: bad guys when they were young, and now they're telling
Speaker 1: us that, you know, we don't stand for anything and
Speaker 1: we are to um wishy washy about our you know,
Speaker 1: political opinions and all this stuff. So I thought that
Speaker 1: was worth commenting on and just saying, you know, when
Speaker 1: you grow up, you just kind of you kind of
Speaker 1: want to break out of your skin, figure out where
Speaker 1: you stand in the world, and um, that song is
Speaker 1: kind of about that. So I love Crime too. It
Speaker 1: is making the album. I'm so excited because I still
Speaker 1: really love that. I love that song, and that's kind
Speaker 1: of in the same sort of vein, like you want
Speaker 1: to live in your prime, Like, yeah, how great that
Speaker 1: you are aware that you're in your prime. Well, I
Speaker 1: I've had forty five year old women tell me like,
Speaker 1: I love this song because it makes me feel like
Speaker 1: I'm in my prime. And I'm like, you are, like
Speaker 1: wherever you are in your life and you feel happy
Speaker 1: to be there, that's your prime, you know. And that's
Speaker 1: so true. Um. I think I like read somewhere online
Speaker 1: that they consider your prime, you know. Um, actually it's
Speaker 1: like married couples whose kids have moved out and then
Speaker 1: they're in their prime because they get to enjoy their
Speaker 1: mom is she's free as bird, she loves empty nest.
Speaker 1: It's great. Yeah, see you wherever you are or you are. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Think that's really important too for people to know. And
Speaker 1: I mean we all struggle with that, you know, thinking
Speaker 1: that the best thing is either behind us or two
Speaker 1: cut of us. But it could be right where we
Speaker 1: are right now. I think it always is, is that
Speaker 1: I like to think, so okay, so when I kind
Speaker 1: of go to the beginning, sure, you're nine years old.
Speaker 1: Nine years old. This is a hilarious story because this
Speaker 1: is actually the story of my life, which is why
Speaker 1: it took me so long to get here, because I
Speaker 1: was so, um clueless. My mom saw an ad for
Speaker 1: a for a Broadway show audition in a newspaper that
Speaker 1: we got, and we lived in Pennsylvania, and so after
Speaker 1: school one day it was like the last day of
Speaker 1: third grade, she drove me two hours to New York City.
Speaker 1: We got there, the audition was already closing. They'd already
Speaker 1: seen like fifty girls. And my mom was like, please,
Speaker 1: just like let her come in and she just wants
Speaker 1: to sing and she can read the part, and um,
Speaker 1: it was horrible. I had two different colored socks on
Speaker 1: and they asked me to dance and I could not
Speaker 1: dance there like can you do a shuffle thing whatever?
Speaker 1: Girls that I don't know what those dance moves are,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know how to do it. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I, um, I don't know. How did you know?
Speaker 1: They had a woman there that was supposed to teach
Speaker 1: you how to do it, and she like showed me
Speaker 1: one time through and I just couldn't get it. But
Speaker 1: I saying, the sun will come out tomorrow. And my
Speaker 1: head shot was a picture of me and my aunt
Speaker 1: from dinner my mom my, well it was a picture.
Speaker 1: It wasn't even a head shot. They're like, you have
Speaker 1: a picture of my mom's like, this is all we have.
Speaker 1: And she handed him this picture of me and my aunt. So,
Speaker 1: needless to say, the audition did not go well. But
Speaker 1: we're driving home from New York and we get a
Speaker 1: phone call. My mom gets a phone call and it
Speaker 1: was the producer of the show, and he's like, we
Speaker 1: love her, we love that she had no idea what
Speaker 1: she was doing. Can you come back? And so we
Speaker 1: had to do three more auditions and anyway, long story short,
Speaker 1: I ended up doing the last audition with Kenny and
Speaker 1: then that was on Broadway. It was this Christmas show.
Speaker 1: He started your whole career on Broadway with Kenny Rogers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean fast forward through all the open mic nights
Speaker 1: and karaoke that I did when I was like seven
Speaker 1: and eight, and he doesn't even knowice start this at
Speaker 1: seven or eight, I was just singing in the car
Speaker 1: to the radio like Patty Loveless and Pam Tillis and
Speaker 1: Lorie Morgan, just singing all the time, and so my
Speaker 1: mom just was trying to find outlets for me to
Speaker 1: get to do that in front of people, because she
Speaker 1: was like, I think she's good. So I thank god
Speaker 1: my mom was such a mamag because she really pushed
Speaker 1: me to do it and it made me feel um
Speaker 1: like proud. I was like, oh, I can do this
Speaker 1: and people like it when I do it. How wonderful
Speaker 1: to have a supportive parent, because so many both of
Speaker 1: my parents were so supportive. So many parents don't support
Speaker 1: their children and their dreams. I think that's crazy. You
Speaker 1: need to go to school and finish it all the way.
Speaker 1: They don't really want to, not that you shouldn't finish school,
Speaker 1: but they don't take it seriously. I think it's like
Speaker 1: a little hobby. Oh yeah, I mean I've heard so
Speaker 1: many stories of that happening to friends of mine and
Speaker 1: even like legend artists like Tom petty Is in his
Speaker 1: um in his What's the Running Down a Dream? In
Speaker 1: that movie, he talks about how he's dad hated that
Speaker 1: he was a musician. I'm like, that is amazing to
Speaker 1: me that he kept going with all that resistance. But
Speaker 1: I didn't have that. I've never had that. My parents
Speaker 1: are incredibly supportive, and I mean they pulled us out
Speaker 1: of school. We were home schooled for a long time.
Speaker 1: And you started training with your sisters getting into music
Speaker 1: because then all of them are also in music also. Well,
Speaker 1: we started together because after I did the Kenny's Show
Speaker 1: on Broadway, it went on tour for h five years
Speaker 1: and I did the same part for years four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we were like on the road for three months
Speaker 1: out of the year with Kenny, and he brought all
Speaker 1: my sisters, he brought my parents. It was a big production.
Speaker 1: I mean there was a lot of people. But um,
Speaker 1: my sisters and I started a band during that time,
Speaker 1: just a four sister family band. We called ourselves the
Speaker 1: Little Women Band after the movie and the book, so
Speaker 1: we know where you were in your life reading A
Speaker 1: Little Women totally. Yeah, we all like matched the characters
Speaker 1: in order, like Beth Amy joe y'all really did match them.
Speaker 1: We thought we did. Yeah, we liked we liked to
Speaker 1: think so yeah, and then um, the band kind of
Speaker 1: became our lives while we're homeschooled. So we were on
Speaker 1: the road in a van, just going wherever, playing festivals
Speaker 1: and fairs. And do you get booked when you're when
Speaker 1: you don't have an agent and you don't really have
Speaker 1: how do you make that? I mean, these weren't like
Speaker 1: high level shows. You're still getting shows. My mom was
Speaker 1: very tenacious. She was the kind of woman that was like, well,
Speaker 1: we don't have tickets to the show, but we can
Speaker 1: just show up and like someone will let us in.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know if it works like that, mom,
Speaker 1: but she would just get us in and then she'd
Speaker 1: be like, well, I know the security guard because um
Speaker 1: so and so, and she was just talked to him
Speaker 1: to let us backstage. And then we would get backstage
Speaker 1: and I'm like, huh, just act like you know what
Speaker 1: you're doing and people let you into place. Have you
Speaker 1: taken that philosophy? I try sometimes my like type a
Speaker 1: stand in line, follow the leader comes into plan like no,
Speaker 1: we can't do this, no, but I have I have
Speaker 1: a little bit of her in me for sure with that.
Speaker 1: So what was it like perform me with Kenny Rogers?
Speaker 1: Were you even old enough to be starstruck by him,
Speaker 1: or did you know what was happening. I I'm gonna
Speaker 1: admit I did not know. That always better. It's a
Speaker 1: blessing to be naive about it. You had no idea.
Speaker 1: You're fresh on the planet. You're really like the world.
Speaker 1: I knew more about his chicken than I knew about
Speaker 1: because he had a restaurant for a long time, so
Speaker 1: I had heard of that killer Rogers Roasters which didn't last. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I knew about that. But obviously I became very
Speaker 1: familiar with all of his stuff, I mean, the Gambler
Speaker 1: and Lucille, and I've seen his live show I don't
Speaker 1: know how many times. So I have all those songs
Speaker 1: memorized now, and I'm I'm he is. I'm so thankful
Speaker 1: because I learned so much from him about longevity in
Speaker 1: your career and just being respectful of the process. And
Speaker 1: I mean, he's had so many different waves of like
Speaker 1: being popular and than not, and he's just been very
Speaker 1: just even keeled and steady and trusted. And it's awesome
Speaker 1: to watch. What is he like as a performer? What
Speaker 1: did you take away getting to watch on stage? So
Speaker 1: that impact how you perform and how how you view
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry. He yes, because he's very aware that
Speaker 1: people want a certain thing from each artist. They fall
Speaker 1: in love with you for a certain reason. And he's
Speaker 1: so good about playing the songs the same way every night.
Speaker 1: He tells the same jokes and they're all still really funny. Um.
Speaker 1: He knows exactly what they expect when they buy a
Speaker 1: ticket and he gives it to them, and he's he
Speaker 1: has no pride or ego about that, like I want
Speaker 1: to try this differently, I want to do this. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm going to give them what they want, and this
Speaker 1: is what they want. And he's also so humble. He'll
Speaker 1: say things like I'm not a really good singer, but
Speaker 1: I just pick great songs, like you're an incredible singer.
Speaker 1: But he just doesn't ever let himself go to like
Speaker 1: that place of ego where he's the greatest thing that
Speaker 1: God's ever made, which I think a lot of artists
Speaker 1: probably do. I feel like being humble. Really, the artists
Speaker 1: that really make it really are humble. And we were
Speaker 1: talking about share you're kind of mentioning that because you
Speaker 1: were just watching the Billboard. Yes, last time I can't
Speaker 1: speak for how Humble shares. I don't know, well, her
Speaker 1: wigs are pretty big, so I don't know what that means.
Speaker 1: But I think that she was so cool to say
Speaker 1: what she said when she accepted her she had it
Speaker 1: was some lifetime achievement award, I think, and she just said,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna be honest. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of this was luck. I think a lot of my
Speaker 1: career was just I got lucky. And um to admit that,
Speaker 1: you know, so late in your career. She didn't want
Speaker 1: to sin up there and say I did everything right.
Speaker 1: I take all this recognition, and I was just, you know,
Speaker 1: I worked really hard. No, she said it was luck,
Speaker 1: and that is um. You know, it's almost like discrediting
Speaker 1: all the hard work that she did and how she persevered.
Speaker 1: But I like that honesty because I kind of believe
Speaker 1: that too. I think a lot of it is the
Speaker 1: right combination of being prepared and also the situation just
Speaker 1: coming your way. And that's probably why, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: at the point now where yeah, you can't give a journey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean for me, there was really no other option
Speaker 1: because I just I'm wired to want to make music
Speaker 1: and share it with people. And that probably comes from
Speaker 1: my parents, to just instilling that, like, you have a gift,
Speaker 1: you should share it, And I think, um, I think
Speaker 1: that's really important. But yeah, share is obviously a legend.
Speaker 1: And for her to say that was really interesting to me,
Speaker 1: just to kind of put the credit back on luck,
Speaker 1: because it is true though you see all these people
Speaker 1: who are so talented who really never get their big break.
Speaker 1: But also I do think it is bound to happen.
Speaker 1: If you have the gift and the talent and the
Speaker 1: drive and never let it stop, it is bound to
Speaker 1: somewhere or another. I think you're right. I don't think
Speaker 1: it can be avoided. It made your whole life or
Speaker 1: even after you're dead, but it's going to be exposed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that. I've seen that happen with a lot
Speaker 1: of artists in town who I met at a certain
Speaker 1: point and maybe things hadn't gone as well for them
Speaker 1: and they were frustrated and they didn't stop. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, for an instance, so starting at
Speaker 1: nine and it just now all coming together twenty years later. Well,
Speaker 1: I kind of view it not as like this aha moment,
Speaker 1: but more of like another step up the mountain. It's
Speaker 1: not like I finally made it. It's more like, this
Speaker 1: is really cool that I'm getting to a larger audience now,
Speaker 1: and then the next step will come and then I'll
Speaker 1: fall back down the mountain and then I'll have to
Speaker 1: walk back up and then fall back down. I think
Speaker 1: that's what it is like that that you see. It
Speaker 1: have to because it changes so fast. I mean, we
Speaker 1: know with social media, there's so many different ways people
Speaker 1: discover music now, and so the relationship with artists is
Speaker 1: so different than what we grew up with even and
Speaker 1: I have to keep that in mind when I'm making
Speaker 1: music that, um, you know, it feels like to me,
Speaker 1: it's like my heart and my soul in a song.
Speaker 1: But also, um, you know, come like another six months
Speaker 1: or a year, people are going to want something else
Speaker 1: and then something else. So you're gonna have to keep
Speaker 1: figuring out how to either reinvent yourself or become We're honest,
Speaker 1: or try different things or Yeah, it's like a new
Speaker 1: challenge all the time. So you have this big Kenny
Speaker 1: Rogers experience to start your life off. That's literally how
Speaker 1: you start your life. Kenny Rogers touring with him on Broadway.
Speaker 1: What a way to get into the world. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're just starting off crazy. It's like I am you know,
Speaker 1: I love that. So then your former band with your sisters,
Speaker 1: your whole life, all of your real existence and memory
Speaker 1: that you can wrap your head around, has been performing
Speaker 1: being in a band like this is what you do.
Speaker 1: You have a burnout, like to be so young. Normally
Speaker 1: people have a burnout in there a little bit older,
Speaker 1: but like, you have a burnout. Tell me about that,
Speaker 1: and how old are you? How did that happen? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It is really weird because I was only fifteen or
Speaker 1: sixteen when it happened. But it's just like a long time, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it it coincided with a few things. My parents
Speaker 1: were actually getting divorced and um song that happened and
Speaker 1: there too, your parents divorcing. Yeah. So when I was thirteen,
Speaker 1: Kenny Kenny's management company brought me in to sing on
Speaker 1: a song with Billy Dean and Susie Boggus and it
Speaker 1: was called Please Keep Mom and Dad in Love while
Speaker 1: your parents ironically same time, and so I was feeling
Speaker 1: it like hardcore and as a kid, You're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this herds and you don't know why. And
Speaker 1: so I was singing that song and it actually made
Speaker 1: it onto the Billboard charts for a little while. Um
Speaker 1: it was like forty eight or forty nine or something
Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks, which was really cool. But um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got to a point after that my parents moved
Speaker 1: us to New York to try to you know, make
Speaker 1: things work, and the band was still going. But I
Speaker 1: was just feeling, um, very defiant against that situation. I mean,
Speaker 1: because it was all in the family. I mean it
Speaker 1: was all kind of wrapped into one, and the band
Speaker 1: was you know, being affected by what they were going through. Obviously,
Speaker 1: So are you the oldest, I'm the third. Actually it's
Speaker 1: two more above me. But I think I felt like
Speaker 1: I just gotta like on my place outside of this
Speaker 1: because it it just doesn't feel good. And so I
Speaker 1: actually left the band and went back to high school.
Speaker 1: So I went to high school the last two years
Speaker 1: of high school. You've been home school your whole life,
Speaker 1: school will since third grade. Yeah, what is that like
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like being in this family band,
Speaker 1: like you got your little really really hard because they
Speaker 1: all had not like that. I did that. My sisters
Speaker 1: were like how could you do this? It was hard
Speaker 1: with the family. Oh yeah. They the family felt like
Speaker 1: you portrayed them by wanting to go to school. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah. Those comp parents were like go to school,
Speaker 1: do your homework. And when I go to school, I
Speaker 1: had one parent that was like I wanted me to
Speaker 1: go back to school, and one parent that was like
Speaker 1: how could you do this? To the band? So I
Speaker 1: was like dealing with all of that. This is major
Speaker 1: termil on a little heart. Yeah, I think I've always
Speaker 1: I think a lot of songwriters probably feel this way
Speaker 1: when they were young. Um, very in tune with our emotions.
Speaker 1: And so I was a journal keeper for a very
Speaker 1: long time, and yeah, a lot of stuff hit me
Speaker 1: like really hard emotionally, and how do you process that?
Speaker 1: How do you process You're in a family business, You
Speaker 1: have family, your parents who are running the family business.
Speaker 1: It kind of depend on you to make the family
Speaker 1: business work. And how you want to leave and your
Speaker 1: parents are divorcing on top of it, how what is
Speaker 1: going like? What are you thinking? What are the feelings? Well,
Speaker 1: so when you're that young, you don't I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think it was almost like a blackout in my mind.
Speaker 1: When I look back, I'm like, what happened? And it
Speaker 1: took me a long time to piece together the chronological
Speaker 1: order of everything, because I think they say with children,
Speaker 1: when it feels like trauma, they kind of just block
Speaker 1: it out, and I think I was sort of doing
Speaker 1: that for a little while, trying to to cope with it. Um.
Speaker 1: I actually tried to do a solo project at that
Speaker 1: time with the producer in New York City, and your
Speaker 1: parents are your family is probably so upset with you
Speaker 1: that you're doing it was weird. Yeah, it was wan
Speaker 1: be me for a minute. Yeah, And the songs were
Speaker 1: that way, like I just want to be ordinary, I
Speaker 1: want to be myself. It was all kind of that
Speaker 1: theme because I had felt like, you know, thrust into
Speaker 1: this very un ordinary life, UM, and I wanted some
Speaker 1: semblance of normalcy. I just wanted to feel like I
Speaker 1: had friends and and I went through that face and
Speaker 1: thank god I did. You're a rebellion was actually going
Speaker 1: to school and just trying to be yourself pretty much.
Speaker 1: It's not like, yeah, you think crazy, just like I
Speaker 1: just go to high school totally heed to beenious exactly,
Speaker 1: which is so weird. It's such an opposite. The most
Speaker 1: parents are like, they're like, just go to school, and
Speaker 1: they're encouraging those things. Yeah, and not that you know,
Speaker 1: neither my parents wanted anything bad for me, but they
Speaker 1: just were they of course, we're thinking they were doing
Speaker 1: the right things and encouraging me to be unique and
Speaker 1: different and stand out. And I have that, you know too,
Speaker 1: where I'm like, you know, they told us as kids,
Speaker 1: like you're different, You're unique, And that's helpful when you're
Speaker 1: an artist because you kind of have to have that
Speaker 1: mindset because your life looks very different from all your friends,
Speaker 1: and um, it's just you know, it's just a different
Speaker 1: lifestyle and perspective. Um. But yeah, when I went back
Speaker 1: to college, I really didn't do music for like four years.
Speaker 1: You just needed a break. Yeah, you needed to just
Speaker 1: see what else was out there in the world, because honestly,
Speaker 1: your whole reasoning life had been music, So you just
Speaker 1: needed to try some other flavors of the ice cream spectrum.
Speaker 1: Exactly right, Yeah, I get that. It was really great.
Speaker 1: It was I made some friends that I know I'll
Speaker 1: have for the rest of my life. And I studied
Speaker 1: abroad and I studied marketing. Oh and I studied in
Speaker 1: Rome in Italy. What was that like to live in
Speaker 1: Rome and Italy, especially in this very important time of
Speaker 1: your life? Right? Yeah, well, I I come from Italian roots,
Speaker 1: so that meant a lot to me to do that.
Speaker 1: But I was in college, so I was drunk a lot. Perfect,
Speaker 1: that's true. Cute boys probably, I know, we have a
Speaker 1: boy who's here. It's all good, but it's good to
Speaker 1: make out. There was a guy named Marco. His name
Speaker 1: was Marco, It's true. Yeah, what a perfect time to
Speaker 1: be drunk and making out, you know, and eating gelato
Speaker 1: and pasta. Yes, perfect, a perfect time. Yeah. And they
Speaker 1: serve like table wine that's two dollars and not disgusting.
Speaker 1: It's so good. Yeah, So that was awesome. And then
Speaker 1: literally I graduated, I went to Thailand for three months
Speaker 1: with my mom, and uh, the day that I left Thailand,
Speaker 1: I moved here and I haven't left since. And I
Speaker 1: just kind of threw myself right back into it. It
Speaker 1: was one of those kind of like a quarter life
Speaker 1: thing where you're like, okay, I'm done with that chapter.
Speaker 1: What is calling me? And I was really going through
Speaker 1: a hard time, like I don't really want to do
Speaker 1: anything else. But music, so and my sisters already lived here,
Speaker 1: and so I formed this band, Luna Bells at that point.
Speaker 1: Yet they came down here with a producer like a
Speaker 1: year before I had even gotten here. Did you feel
Speaker 1: left out because now Little Women has turned to Luna
Speaker 1: Bells and guess who's not in Luna Bells? Now? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I had a little bit of that, but it was
Speaker 1: more from a family they did. So it's like, not
Speaker 1: only are you're not in it? Now they have a
Speaker 1: record deal and you're not in it. The funny thing
Speaker 1: about that is I never felt competitive with them because
Speaker 1: I knew that what they were doing was just different
Speaker 1: than what I was doing. And I just had this
Speaker 1: instinct where I was like, this is not for me,
Speaker 1: so they should enjoy that it's not mine. And I
Speaker 1: just put my head down and I waitressed a lot,
Speaker 1: and I bartended, and I asked people to write with me.
Speaker 1: They probably didn't want to write with me, and I
Speaker 1: just I was just very determined for a long time.
Speaker 1: That's so wise of you to even have that kind
Speaker 1: of awareness, because a lot of people might not feel
Speaker 1: that way. It could feel like this whole thing you've
Speaker 1: been a part of your whole life and now actually
Speaker 1: it's materialized into something. Yeah, you're not in it. I
Speaker 1: think it comes down to the music. If I had
Speaker 1: been like, well, they're making the music I want to make,
Speaker 1: that would have been hard. But I had my own
Speaker 1: idea of what I wanted to sound like and it
Speaker 1: wasn't that. So I just knew it wasn't right, you know.
Speaker 1: And I think the only thing I felt left out
Speaker 1: of was the Sister Bond, you know, in that way,
Speaker 1: because they were all doing their thing and I was
Speaker 1: kind of all by myself. But um, it's worked out
Speaker 1: fine for all of us, and they're all doing music
Speaker 1: in their own ways and flourishing and living in different
Speaker 1: parts of the country and we all are so much
Speaker 1: stronger now than we ever were. So isn't it interesting
Speaker 1: how God, the universe, whatever the thing is that we're
Speaker 1: a part about in this world that we're living in,
Speaker 1: does that like we have to get our heartbroken and
Speaker 1: like we have to like just hit the rock. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and maybe several times, you know, if you just keep
Speaker 1: hitting bottom, but then you get to a point where
Speaker 1: you're so much stronger because of it. Yes, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's so necessary. It is even like even this
Speaker 1: horrible heartbreak that you went through, now it has led
Speaker 1: you to the most authentic real spot in your music
Speaker 1: career where you're finally emerging as the artist that you've
Speaker 1: been building up to be. And obviously, like you said,
Speaker 1: you'll keep reinventing. But if you wouldn't have had that pain,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have this song with music. Of course, it's
Speaker 1: so weird how you have to go through the pain.
Speaker 1: It is. It is weird. Um, I'm I'm really thankful
Speaker 1: for it now because it pushed me to another level
Speaker 1: of honesty that I never would have gotten to. And
Speaker 1: I'm really proud that this is the first essentially the
Speaker 1: first thing people are going to hear. Many people are
Speaker 1: going to hear from me, you know, because I put
Speaker 1: stuff out before, but this is truly like naked. You're like, okay,
Speaker 1: well here it is. You know, here's all the information.
Speaker 1: And you also like put something I'll Evince s Gale
Speaker 1: before too, which was amazing. Yeah, he sang on a
Speaker 1: song that I wrote with um Tofur and Richard Marks
Speaker 1: and that was crazy. Yeah, the star setted past like
Speaker 1: you have been. Everyone has seen your greatness and you
Speaker 1: have known your greatness and your talent, but it just
Speaker 1: takes a wild for the the food to be prepared,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, to be ready to deserve. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think it happens in different ways. You know. We see
Speaker 1: people that it seems like overnight, and we see people
Speaker 1: that are super young, you're like, oh my gosh, everything's
Speaker 1: happening and that is their story and a lot of
Speaker 1: and probably would say it was definitely not overnight. Um.
Speaker 1: But for me, it's all about conviction. I think people
Speaker 1: want conviction from an artist, and they want and I
Speaker 1: think conviction just comes from really like maintaining, um, the
Speaker 1: same level of dedication for a long time and whatever
Speaker 1: you do for it to be the best thing that
Speaker 1: you can do. And I've I feel like I've been
Speaker 1: pretty careful with that. I think I probably could have
Speaker 1: put out a lot of music in the last few
Speaker 1: years and just put it out because I needed to
Speaker 1: feel that recognition bouncing back off of me. But I
Speaker 1: really just had an internal compass that was telling me
Speaker 1: that this was not the best song was still coming,
Speaker 1: and I did. I really did feel that. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: even with Overdue, I was like, there's something else coming
Speaker 1: and this is just the precursor. What does that feel like?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like many people think it's called perfectionism,
Speaker 1: and it's probably not very healthy. It's just always wanting
Speaker 1: to be better than you currently are, but you know
Speaker 1: reasons and hate me. You probably don't feel like there's
Speaker 1: something better. You know, there's something. I'm very proud of them,
Speaker 1: but those feel like what you've been waiting for for
Speaker 1: sure right now at this point in my life, and
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, yeah, And I don't know what
Speaker 1: will happen when these songs run their course. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I'll suddenly have a new wave of Okay,
Speaker 1: this is who I am now. It's interesting, it's just
Speaker 1: kind of following that gut heart thing. Do you believe
Speaker 1: in callings? Do you think we all have a calling?
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. I think we all have dreams callings. It's
Speaker 1: that's a different I think a calling actually um compels
Speaker 1: you to act like you're like I'm called to do this,
Speaker 1: I must, And I think UM certain people have that.
Speaker 1: I don't. Do you feel like you've been called to
Speaker 1: do music like you must? Yeah? I guess I would
Speaker 1: say that. Yeah, I've never had another option. I've never
Speaker 1: wanted another option, and it feels like the only way
Speaker 1: that I could feel true to myself is what I'm
Speaker 1: doing this. Why do you think people give up on
Speaker 1: their dreams? M hm, Oh, that's a hard question. I
Speaker 1: don't even like to think about that, because many people do.
Speaker 1: I think about that all the time when I'm at
Speaker 1: restaurants across the country, like if we're on the road
Speaker 1: or i always look at the waiters and waitresses and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I wonder if there's something that they wished
Speaker 1: they were doing, and I want to tell them to
Speaker 1: do it. Not that being a waiter or waitress is
Speaker 1: a bad thing, but I was one for a long time,
Speaker 1: and I think I always know that that's for a
Speaker 1: lot of people, it's a means to get to the
Speaker 1: next level. And I'm like, what does stop people? I
Speaker 1: don't know. Do you think people are scared? Were you scared?
Speaker 1: Have you ever had a moment where you wanted to
Speaker 1: quit through all of this? No, you haven't, no matter
Speaker 1: how hard it got, did you ever? Did you ever
Speaker 1: have a moment where it was so hard You're like,
Speaker 1: why is this so hard? Yeah? I there was a
Speaker 1: point a couple of years ago where I had been
Speaker 1: um trying to. I was doing photography like on the
Speaker 1: side to make money and it wasn't cutting it, and
Speaker 1: so I had to go back to bartending at a restaurant.
Speaker 1: And I had been writing songs during that time time,
Speaker 1: but nothing had happened. And I was bartending for a
Speaker 1: few months and really hating it, like wanting to go
Speaker 1: home and cry every night because I was like, I
Speaker 1: can't do this anymore. What how do I Where do
Speaker 1: I go? And luckily I met with Steve Markland who
Speaker 1: is now my publisher and tofer and I had done
Speaker 1: a couple of demos that Steve loved and he took
Speaker 1: a chance and signed me. And that was Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was like the turning point where I thought all hope
Speaker 1: was lost, I mean, and then there was the light.
Speaker 1: But I had to go and find the light. Like
Speaker 1: it wasn't just waiting. I was like, how do I
Speaker 1: find the light? And I found the light. You have
Speaker 1: to hunt it down, be proactive. Yeah, totally. Okay, So
Speaker 1: we're gonna hear some of your songs. Can't wait, But
Speaker 1: I like to wrap up with leave your light, So
Speaker 1: leave some inspiration of how you have been inspired or
Speaker 1: how you want to be inspired. Oh also, you did
Speaker 1: say one quote that I love. You said, walk into
Speaker 1: the room like you're a man. Yes, my friend Elena
Speaker 1: told me that because she does, like she is so
Speaker 1: incredibly strong and she just carries herself very proud and
Speaker 1: she's not afraid to hold herself with respect. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: and hold space. And that really impacted me because I
Speaker 1: think women sometimes feel like we have to, um, be
Speaker 1: like pliable or at least, um, you know, easy to
Speaker 1: work around her. I don't know what it is, but
Speaker 1: we kind of come into the room. We're like, try
Speaker 1: to read it. We need to use sexuality? Do we
Speaker 1: need to use our intellect? We kind of know how
Speaker 1: to do that. Um. But what if we didn't have
Speaker 1: to think about that, we could just hold ourselves like
Speaker 1: important people and not as women. So love that. I
Speaker 1: thought that was really important for women to know, especially
Speaker 1: in the music industry, because I have no problem with
Speaker 1: being happy and comfortable with your sexuality, but I think
Speaker 1: it's so important to remember that you are a whole
Speaker 1: human being and there's a lot going on besides just
Speaker 1: what you look like. I love that. Yeah, okay, so
Speaker 1: now leave your life. All this prepared me for this one.
Speaker 1: I don't okay, I'm not good at being on the spot. Um,
Speaker 1: just how you've been inspired or how to inspire people.
Speaker 1: I think it's uh, it's very important to take care
Speaker 1: of yourself. Um. That is how you can shine to
Speaker 1: other people is if you are constantly trying to fill
Speaker 1: yourself up with goodness. Um, So pay attention to what
Speaker 1: you need and don't do anything for anyone else because
Speaker 1: it will not satisfy you. I love that, That's all
Speaker 1: I got. You are wise, Jillian Jathan. Okay, than you're
Speaker 1: play you the ones we've released so like we can
Speaker 1: go check them out. So reasons and hate me? Okay,
Speaker 1: so excited? Okay, here she comes. Teal Audio's new speaker
Speaker 1: line that Aurora live stream speakers are designed to fit
Speaker 1: seamlessly into your home with its wide range of connectivity.
Speaker 1: To check out the latest speaker line, go to teal
Speaker 1: audio dot com. Okay, so, Jillian, first, who do we
Speaker 1: have of us? This is Brian Brown, amazing guitar player,
Speaker 1: also my boyfriend. I love it. You guys are so cute.
Speaker 1: Tell us about this first song you're singing. The first
Speaker 1: song we're gonna do is Reasons and we just released
Speaker 1: it last month, and this one is really about admitting
Speaker 1: that it's time to go in a relationship and how
Speaker 1: all the excuses you're making are just wasting time. I
Speaker 1: don't want to tell my parents, want to tell my sister,
Speaker 1: You don't want to tell your friends, you don't want
Speaker 1: to pack your stuff, all back in love with another girl,
Speaker 1: like and all alone, picking up, take you out, coming
Speaker 1: home to an empty house, admitting at the time we
Speaker 1: spent was just a lesson. We've got all our reasons
Speaker 1: why Rich shot at Justify is to cunning out, stay together.
Speaker 1: It was supposed to last wherever you and die. Just
Speaker 1: scared to say good bye because it what would happen later.
Speaker 1: We're not doing a Steely Favors. I'm so sick of
Speaker 1: living away. So screw all of our reasons. Why we
Speaker 1: feel like roommates standing at the same sink. We don't
Speaker 1: even kiss goodnight. I don't want to be a quit
Speaker 1: or do you want to have dancer? When everybody asked me,
Speaker 1: where I giving all your t shirts? Bay putting all
Speaker 1: the stuff in bags. We were supposed to be married
Speaker 1: by the time with thirty breaking up scary. All these
Speaker 1: reasons why Rich shot at just tofine secuny, not stay together.
Speaker 1: It was supposed to lust rather you will die too
Speaker 1: scared to say you by because it will happen later.
Speaker 1: We're not doing sandy favors. I'm so sick of living alive,
Speaker 1: So screw all of our easons? Why goodbye? I don't
Speaker 1: love you, you don't love me. You can be. It
Speaker 1: can be just that simple baby, I don't love you,
Speaker 1: you don't love me. It can be. It should be
Speaker 1: just that simple baby, I don't love you, you don't
Speaker 1: love me. It can be. It can be just that
Speaker 1: simple baby, I don't love you, you don't love me.
Speaker 1: It can be, should be. Yeah, reason why which shot
Speaker 1: at justifin secunity not stay together? It was supposed to
Speaker 1: us forever you, and it's just scarce because the one
Speaker 1: happened later. We're not doing any favors. I'm so sick
Speaker 1: of living, So screw a lover e sasons? Why? I mean,
Speaker 1: I hear that song and one listen, love it, memorize.
Speaker 1: It's so good and so raw, just the rawness of it.
Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing your heart with us. We appreciate it
Speaker 1: as listeners. Oh okay, so it tell us we got
Speaker 1: one more tell us about this next one. So we
Speaker 1: got another breakup song for you. Imagine that. This one's
Speaker 1: called hate Me. And this just came out on Friday,
Speaker 1: so if you guys like it, you can check it
Speaker 1: out everywhere song music is sold, but Spotify's guy at Amazon,
Speaker 1: Apple Music, and there's a video on Vivo right now. Um,
Speaker 1: this song is kind of like a coping mechanism for
Speaker 1: not wanting to be the bad guy in a relationship. Um,
Speaker 1: but actually you're just sort of admitting just go on
Speaker 1: and hate me, and that way it's easier for us
Speaker 1: to just walk away. So it's kind of trying to
Speaker 1: push the situation into anger so that you guys don't
Speaker 1: have to have compassion. Um. So yeah, I think psychologists
Speaker 1: would probably think this song is not the best strategy.
Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, um, anyway, this is called hate Me.
Speaker 1: Everything seems okay right now. The bottom of the sky
Speaker 1: hasn't fallen out, but I know when it comes, it's
Speaker 1: gonna get ugly, get ugly. You don't know you as
Speaker 1: well as I do, so baby, don't wait a week
Speaker 1: or two, go and pull the pendiate off. We'll both
Speaker 1: be better off if you just come on and Amy.
Speaker 1: Tell me you great you ever made me? Make sure
Speaker 1: that it hurts right as I'm leaveveing. Make me believe
Speaker 1: that you never even really ever loved me. Come on, baby, Ay,
Speaker 1: don't need those coffee monks from Portland. Don't need that
Speaker 1: sweater from your drawer. Don't need you to chase me
Speaker 1: down the stairs and out the door. No, I don't
Speaker 1: need to hear I'm ay. Don't need your version of
Speaker 1: the truth. There's only one thing left that I need
Speaker 1: from you. To Come on, Come on, any tell me
Speaker 1: you great, you ever mad me? Make sure that it
Speaker 1: hurts right as I'm leaveing. Make me believe that you
Speaker 1: never even really ever loved me. Come on, baby hey,
Speaker 1: come on, baby heady. I know you're not much for cry,
Speaker 1: so why go start writing out? Why go start writing out?
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to make it easy all you on me.
Speaker 1: Come on at head in me tell me you regret
Speaker 1: you ever maby and make sure that it hurts right
Speaker 1: eyes I believe, made believe that you never even really
Speaker 1: ever loved me. Come on, baby haty oh whoa Come
Speaker 1: on baby hate me, hate me, hate don't see you sorry, baby,
Speaker 1: just say you hate me. Don't say you're gonna miss me.
Speaker 1: Just say you hate me. Don't say you sorry, baby,
Speaker 1: just say you hate me. Don't say you're gonna miss me,
Speaker 1: Just say you hate me. Wow wow wow wow wow.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I can't even get over that song.
Speaker 1: I feel like everyone has sort of experienced that on
Speaker 1: some level, or no someone has the way you put
Speaker 1: that intowards Jillian and Jacqueline. You guys, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining me on my thank you questions. I'm
Speaker 1: so glad I got you before your superstar and thank
Speaker 1: you for joining me even I know you loved hearing
Speaker 1: from Jillian Jacqueline. Make sure to follow her journey and
Speaker 1: get all her music. She's about to blow up next week.
Speaker 1: I have steal Union. This is a group of three
Speaker 1: people who are so talented. Rachel Potter was a Broadway star,
Speaker 1: she got twelve from The X Factor. Donnie Foggator and
Speaker 1: Josh Matheny were at a band called King Billy. They
Speaker 1: were all the rage in Nashville, and now they have
Speaker 1: joined forces to make this incredible trio. Y'all will not
Speaker 1: want to miss that interview next week. See you then,
Speaker 1: and don't forget to subscribe