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Speaker 1: What's up, guys. Chris Harry with you on a brand

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Speaker 1: new episode of Chargers Weekly and has promised a draft

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Speaker 1: analyst every single week leading up to the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: one NFL Draft. Very please be joined by Brandon Thorne.

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Speaker 1: He's the author of Trench Warfare newsletter. He does some

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Speaker 1: scouting for Bleacher Report Scouting Academy established a ron Brandon,

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Speaker 1: You're everywhere, man, Thanks for joining me. Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 1: pleasure to be here, man. Thank you for having me

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Speaker 1: absolutely well. Hey, you know, I want to go in

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Speaker 1: a couple of different directions here. The Chargers have the

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Speaker 1: thirteenth overall pick, but your forte is the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: And you actually have a couple of articles I think

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Speaker 1: available right now in your notebook breaking down Christian Dey,

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Speaker 1: Saul and Elijah Vera Tucker. First, Where can fans get

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Speaker 1: that information? I know we're gonna talk about it here,

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Speaker 1: but for a little bit later after this pot Sure, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: people can go to trench Warfare dot substack dot com.

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Speaker 1: And that's a newsletter that I run. I started it

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Speaker 1: probably about six months or so ago now, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's just exclusively focused on offensive and defensive line

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Speaker 1: primarily the NFL, but you know, this year, I'm doing

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Speaker 1: a lot of draft work as well, so it's cool

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Speaker 1: to be able to offer that as well. But that's

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Speaker 1: the main spot to find all my personal workout right now,

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Speaker 1: and then Bleacher Report I'm doing like exclusively draft stuff

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Speaker 1: this year as well. So offensive line, how would you

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Speaker 1: assess this class in terms of the depth? And you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a top heavy in the first round, I feel

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Speaker 1: like we're gonna see quite a few offensive linemen come

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Speaker 1: off the board in those first fifteen picks. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think so. I mean, so far from the guys

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Speaker 1: so far, I think it's a really good class. You know.

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Speaker 1: I think it's deep, not too top heavy at really

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Speaker 1: any spot. A little bit deeper at tackle than interior.

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Speaker 1: But there's a bunch of these tackles that could play inside,

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Speaker 1: for the last few years, i've I've thought that interior

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Speaker 1: defensive line especially and then just defensive line overall has

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Speaker 1: been the most talented position in football, and this year

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Speaker 1: it seems like that side of the ball the class

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Speaker 1: which I think is much needed for the NFL to

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Speaker 1: So good news for offensive line enthusiasts for sure, no question.

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Speaker 1: We just saw a Rashaan Slater have his pro Day

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Speaker 1: too that has that position versatility. He said, he considers

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Speaker 1: So my first question is, you guys aren't gonna big

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Speaker 1: Brees to Philip Rivers to Justin Herbert? Like this would

426
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 1: be incredible? And then he starts the whole victory brisket

427
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,719
Speaker 1: thing that that had a life of its own, and

428
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 1: fans really connected to Justin and I feel like, and

429
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 1: I don't think he did it on purpose. I feel

430
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: like accidentally in a sense, Justin really connected with the fans,

431
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 1: and the fans are behind him. I'm sure this season

432
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 1: number ten jerseys are going to fly off the handles

433
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 1: and when you go to when if fans are hopefully

434
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,679
Speaker 1: allowed back at so far, you're gonna see a lot

435
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: of number ten jerseys. But yeah, no, Gilbert and I

436
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 1: After yesterday we faced time for a little bit and

437
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, dang, we forgot to shout out Justin for

438
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 1: his twenty third birthday. And it was funny because on

439
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 1: social media that night I saw he went to k

440
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 1: one the racing thing for his birthday. I thought that

441
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,199
Speaker 1: was that's hey, that's a great way to spend your

442
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: twenty third birthday racing and doing all that. I think

443
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 1: his place on that Murray. I think just the way

444
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 1: he carries himself so genuine. He's not seeking the spotlight,

445
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,959
Speaker 1: which is why I think the spotlight is coming to him,

446
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 1: and I think it starts with his teammates. Just what

447
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 1: he did in week two, I was like, wow, I

448
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 1: was impressive. And then he just keeps stacking bricks stacking bricks,

449
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: and his play does the talking. He's not going to

450
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: give you some wild quote at a press conference. He's

451
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: not making it about himself. But I think that is

452
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: the uniqueness of him and his personality is it makes

453
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 1: him that much more popular because he's all about the team.

454
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: He's all about just performing on the field, and fans

455
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 1: have just it's really unbelievable how they've kind of gravitated

456
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: towards the guy. Yeah, yeah, no, definitely, I mean coming

457
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: out of Oregon, you had you had some stuff that

458
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: people were saying about him, and I feel like, really

459
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: that is completely different of what we've I mean, I'm

460
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 1: speaking for myself, obviously, I think Gilbert might agree, but

461
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 1: he's completely different. He's unique in a sense. He kind

462
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 1: of he's he walks to the beat of his own drama.

463
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 1: He's he's a different guy. So he, like you said,

464
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 1: like we would, we would ask him, hey, justin like,

465
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 1: do you want to win Rookie of the Year, And

466
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: he's like Rookie of the Year to me as a

467
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: team award, I couldn't have done it without these guys.

468
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 1: And he's just so humble. You can tell that he

469
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: comes from a great family, a family that really is united,

470
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: and he's just a great kid overall. So it really

471
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: I feel like that that's what really gravitated fans towards him.

472
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: So it's not it's not surprising to know that the

473
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: Chargers fan because the Chargers fan bases were loyal to

474
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers and now obviously they're still loyal to him,

475
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: but they're loyal now to Justin Herbert, and they're all

476
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: sticking up for him, and they're all they're fighting Minnesota

477
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: Vikings fans over Justin Jefferson and all this stuff and

478
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bagles fan So it's it's a lot of fun

479
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: to see. And it's kind of funny because there was

480
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: a point where maybe we would not have seen this

481
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: historic rook to see them because they went into Tara

482
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 1: Taylor and it was a weird chaotic off season with

483
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: the pandemic. And I get what Anthony was trying to

484
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 1: do because it was a very short and off season.

485
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: You know, on a rushed the guy and then boom,

486
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: he's an offensive rook of the year. He has a

487
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: mirror of painting and inglewood at some liquor store. I

488
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: want to go see it. But it's kind of funny that,

489
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: you know. I think for Justin Herbert, the hardest part

490
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: was finding his voice, just being who he is and

491
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: getting the respect of his teammates in the locker room

492
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 1: and maybe kind of sitting behind Tyrod Taylor and listening

493
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: and watching paid off for that, you know, six weeks

494
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: and then once he kind of found his voice, he

495
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: was comfortable. The skills were there. This guy has a

496
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: rocket of an arm, he's mobile, you know, a very

497
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: smart guy. Four point zero. So I think, you know,

498
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: once he kind of became a leader in his own way,

499
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: got comfortable, the rest came easy, and I'm really excited

500
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: to see what he does for your too. You know,

501
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: a real quick Chris, that story that he said on

502
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: the Pat McAfee show where he comes in and that

503
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,719
Speaker 1: Kansas City game and Hunter Henry's like, what are you

504
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: doing here? I got story to me. It cracked me

505
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: up because that is typical, Like Justin's like, oh wow,

506
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: thanks man, Like it's my first time starting and you're

507
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: asking me what do you do in the air. I

508
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: think a lot of people are asking that, though Justin

509
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: was probably asking that for a quick second. Why couldn't

510
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: the pauper? And I'm like, is this a wildcat? Like

511
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 1: is Anthony trying to throw Andy Reid off? Like what

512
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: is going on? So I completely agree, like I think

513
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,719
Speaker 1: a lot of us were completely thrown off. And just

514
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: think exactly a year ago, Justin had the luxury really

515
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: check in every box during the draft evaluation process, MVP

516
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl, he did his thing at his

517
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, at his pro day, rather, he got that in.

518
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: He was excellent at the combine. A lot of these

519
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: prospects are not going to have that opportunity at the combine. Actually,

520
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: none of these prospects are gonna have that opportunity to combine.

521
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: We're starting to see these pro days kick into gear.

522
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: Is starting with Northwestern the other day with Shawn Slater

523
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: had a really good pro day. His interview afterwards in

524
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: his press was very impressive. Your thoughts on this whole

525
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: draft evaluation process, It's almost like this this new frontier

526
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 1: of we don't have the onbine, we do have a

527
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: little bit of Senior Bowl stuff. There are some guys

528
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: who opted out these next five or six weeks. How

529
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: much of an impact do you guys think it's really

530
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:15,239
Speaker 1: gonna have on the draft? And then you look at

531
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: free agency and everything that's going on. We can get

532
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: into that a little bit more, but just starting with

533
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: the draft, these next four or five weeks can be

534
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: critical for a lot of these prospects. Yeah, I think,

535
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: you know, with the whole opt outs in college football,

536
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: I think I thought that was gonna hurt some prospects.

537
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: But you mentioned Rishawn s Later from Northwestern. Chris he

538
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: opted out for the twenty twenty Sea then and people

539
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: are talking about his tape in twenty nineteen when he

540
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 1: dominated Chase Young against Ohio State. So I think because

541
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: the tape is out there and they've seen what you've

542
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: done before, and I don't think it's gonna hurt too many,

543
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: especially the top prospects. Maybe Later had thirty seven starts,

544
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: so I mean there's a lot of Yeah, so maybe

545
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: the guys who were like maybe had only one year

546
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: of experience might hurt them. But you know, luckily for them,

547
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: there's pro days still. You know, teams to go, you know,

548
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: go around and watch them, and maybe some players to

549
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: take a little creative like the high school days where

550
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: you can kind of do your own highlight tape and

551
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 1: send it out to scot Scouts. But I think at

552
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: the end of the day, if you're you could play,

553
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna find them. No, definitely. I mean

554
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: that's that's one of the things I've heard about Penney

555
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: School that people are like, oh, well, there's film on him,

556
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: but it's not as lengthy as it is for like

557
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: Rashawn S Later. But I mean teams are gonna I

558
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: feel like teams at one point they kind of know

559
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: what they're getting with some of these players and I mean,

560
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: you've heard Tom Talesco said it last week, like we

561
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: feel like we're right at where we need to be

562
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: because of our college scouts. They've done a great job

563
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: of scouting these guys. So definitely, I think teams have

564
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: a handle of who they know is good who's not.

565
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: And I mean the pro day, I mean, I guess

566
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: it does matter, but to me, it's like a forty

567
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: time I guess, like it's truly Fredo. It's like, don't

568
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: mess it up, right, It's like, yeah, it don't mess

569
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, exactly, don't mess it up. Just make

570
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: sure you're forty times good. You can entpress Sean's later

571
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: thirty three times. Yesterday I was able to do our

572
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: two days ago. I was able to do that. So

573
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: so basically, it's like like when you go out and

574
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: practice and only helmets, don't mess it up, don't get hurt.

575
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: That's basically what a pro day is. But I'm sure

576
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys already know a lot of

577
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: the pro teams know who they're zeroing in on and

578
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: who are the prospects that they're really looking at to

579
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: potentially draft. It's always hard during this time of year

580
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: to do a podcast to make sure it's not dated,

581
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: because I can hang up with you guys and something

582
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,719
Speaker 1: can break. But I look at the Charger situation and

583
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: it's such an unknown with a new coaching staff, with

584
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: a decent amount of salary cap space compared to the

585
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: rest of the league, and nine picks, so there is

586
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: a myriad of ways to improve this football team. We're

587
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: not really sure what this coaching staff in Tom tolesco.

588
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,719
Speaker 1: Collectively want to see out of the defense. At offense obviously,

589
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: we've we've talked about different position groups like offensive line

590
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: and potentially cornerback that could be something, you know, wide receiver.

591
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. But what do you think Brandon

592
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: Staley in company are gonna want to address first? When

593
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: you look at the roster and you look at what

594
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: Staley did with the Rams, there's so many foundational pieces here,

595
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: but they played a different brand of football maybe in

596
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: LA than the Charges did on defense last year. Well, um,

597
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: and you know what grim's real quick. That's why we

598
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: kind of started gumpus on the beat. Also is because

599
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: some fans knew who Anthony Lynn was going into last season.

600
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: Some people don't know about Brandon Staley. They don't know

601
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: about the coaching staff, so we're like, you know what,

602
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: let's give him an inside look of who who the

603
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: head coaches, who some of these coordinators are. I mean,

604
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: Darius Swinton is still the talk. After his incredible press conference,

605
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: he is still the talking. I mean, for him to

606
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: say I watched all of the special team snaps from

607
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: last season, I'm like wow. Going into my interview, I

608
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: was like, Wow, Okay, that's really impressive. I hope he

609
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: speaks more often than not to the press. Batty he

610
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: was a plus. But going into that, I'm gonna go

611
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: and that's what I told Gilbert yesterday on episode one.

612
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: Let's go off beat. Let's not talk about because everybody

613
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: can say offensive line, so I'm gonna go a different route.

614
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say the defensive line. You have Joey Bosa,

615
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: but then there's a little bit of some question marks

616
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: along the rest of that defensive line. Now, when he

617
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: was in with the Rams, that defensive line started and

618
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: went with Aaron Donald. That defensive line was incredible last year.

619
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: They were getting constant pressure on anybody and everybody in

620
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: the league. Many the way they what they did to

621
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: Tom Brady in that Monday Night game was incredible. Then

622
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: what they were doing to Russell Wilson in the playoff game,

623
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: I mean wow. So definitely, I think it starts there.

624
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: You have your cornerstone piece with Joey Bosa. Now you're

625
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: I have to build around him. Melvin Ingram to me,

626
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the guy's an amazing human being.

627
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: You can always chat with him and he's really cool.

628
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: But I just think that his pricetack is gonna be

629
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: a little bit too much for the team, and I

630
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: feel like the team's gonna let him walk. I think

631
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: some other team's gonna pay him a hefty amount to

632
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: come and be a pass rusher. So I feel like

633
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: the Charge are gonna look elsewhere for that opposite outside

634
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: linebacker defensive end. So I feel like the Charges really

635
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: need to do. I think Brandon Salley is going to

636
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: do his homework on this defensive line, talk with Gift

637
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: Smith and say, hey, what do we have to do

638
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Speaker 1: to get Joey that help? Because last year without Melvin Ingram,

639
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Speaker 1: Joey was getting triple team that time. I mean that

640
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: Buffalo game, I don't know, I don't know Joey Bosa

641
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: literally took a put on the cape, became Superman and

642
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: had three best game I've ever seen play. It was

643
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: incredible what he was and he was getting double and

644
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: triple team at times and he was still getting through.

645
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: So definitely, I think the defensive line is going to

646
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: be their biggest need when it comes to when it

647
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: comes to this offseason, Chris, this is why I like

648
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: talking to Fernando. It gives you a different point of

649
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: view and sometimes it is kind of obvious I'm gonna

650
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Speaker 1: go to the offensive line. But when Fernando talks, you

651
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: know what, Joya Buzsa getting helped does sound very nice.

652
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,959
Speaker 1: He's your best player. You know, he's has usin Herbert,

653
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: so you know, get another pass rusher or guys in

654
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: the middle to help him out and free him up.

655
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: And I'm very Gil before you before you go offensive line,

656
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: I look at whatever the Chiefs today losing both your tackles.

657
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: If you can get after the quarterback in this division,

658
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: specifically Patrick Mahomes starting with him, I mean that's where

659
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: it starts. But Gus and it really just around the league,

660
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: that rush and cover work together. If you can get

661
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: that in concert, Staley's been able to do that and

662
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: really all of the stops in Chicago and the Rams.

663
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Speaker 1: But just look at this division in the offensive firepower

664
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Speaker 1: in Denver potentially, well, it remains to be seen if

665
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: Truelock's going to be the starter or not. Derek Carry

666
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: looks like he'll be the starter. There's a lot of

667
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: speed on the outside in this division, so getting to

668
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 1: the quarterback is paramount, and Staley has examples Khalil Mack,

669
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb, Von Miller, now Joey Bosa of getting to

670
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: the quarterback Aaron Donald, you know, obviously, but having those

671
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: cornerstone pieces you mentioned Joey Bosa, healthy, Derwin James will

672
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: go a long way. Sixteen games of Kenneth Murray last year,

673
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: I think he can take another step. And then getting

674
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: Drew Tranquil back at the linebacker position. So Staley's gonna

675
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: have a lot to work with. I'm sort of interjecting, Gil,

676
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: but you're gonna talk offensive plan. Oh you got me

677
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: thinking of because those are two key offensive tackle that

678
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 1: the Chiefs have lost. So maybe getting after Patrick Mahomes

679
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: is the right way because we saw that in the

680
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. That was the formula, right, Yeah, and maybe

681
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: you can follow that blueprint. But you've got to think

682
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: the Chiefs are thinking another good plan that kind of

683
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: build around novels and blind I know they're kind of

684
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're a little cap strap or maybe

685
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: they're a settle. They're winning one super Bowl and now

686
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: here comes to follow the dynasty, so who knows. But

687
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: I like the way you guys are thinking thinking. So

688
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: it's gonna be kind of interesting to see how they

689
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: kind of go for need and for system fit personnel

690
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: fit with Brandon Staley. Because yes, Brandon Staley is a

691
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: great defensive play caller. We saw what it did with

692
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, Jalen Ramsey and the Rams a year ago.

693
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: But there's also this big need on the offensive line.

694
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be kind of a thing. You know,

695
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: maybe they could build the defense, you know, to free

696
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: agency and go offensive line draft heavy, because to me,

697
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: I think this draft class has some very good offensive tackles.

698
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 1: Get that cornerstone piece on the blind side for Justin

699
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: Herbert and kind of have them be together for the

700
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: next ten years. If you get that pick right at

701
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: number thirteen. We've mentioned Rayons later many penezzul it's gonna

702
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: be tough. Those guys are very talented. They might be

703
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: gone before thirteen. The more I think about it, guilt,

704
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. There could be multiple offensive lineman going

705
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: in the top ten. When you look at the landscape

706
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: of the league right now and there's a lot of

707
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: talented offensive linemen that have been released over the last

708
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: several several days, and you hear how deep this offensive

709
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: line class is. I'm just I'm fascinated by the Chargers

710
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: are sitting pretty and that they're at thirteen. Let's say

711
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: there's a run on quarterbacks. A lot of talent is

712
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: going to get pushed you at thirteen. If there's a

713
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: runner offensive lineman, perhaps there's a guy like Haleb Farley

714
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 1: or Patrick's certain available and the depth of offensive line

715
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: is enough to get you to the second round. There's

716
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: there's just so many different options that I think the

717
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: Chargers have at thirteen. And you know, Tom even mentioned it, Yeah,

718
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: we want to get better at the offensive line, but

719
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: we want to get better at a lot of different positions.

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Speaker 1: And I think being at thirteen allows you a little

721
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Speaker 1: bit of flexibility, especially when you have nine picks and

722
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: you have the cap space that a lot of NFL

723
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: teams don't. That's the thing. Before I let Fernando go,

724
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: I feel like I've been talking for a while. I

725
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: think once free agency gets going and we see where

726
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: they kind of take that money, then we start thinking, Okay,

727
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: this is where they're gonna go in the draft. And

728
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: you mentioned the free agent especially in the interior of

729
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: the offensive line. It's had a lot of free agents

730
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: that could play on the inside that could help out

731
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: the Chargers. Not too many tackles, but I'm very curious

732
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: to see how Tom Telesco spends that money, and that

733
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: will give us a pretty good idea of what they're

734
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: gonna do that third team, because they also might have

735
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: a need a cornerback. You mentioned those three guys, they're

736
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: gonna be at the top, and I know for I

737
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: was gonna say this, it's like, there's also a very

738
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: good wide receiver. He wants to see potential with Justin Herbert.

739
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: I let him get to that one there. Yeah, that's

740
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: the one, and I'll let left for hmm, will go

741
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: with that one. But there are many options to go.

742
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: You heard what Chris said. He said, Patrick Surtam, that's

743
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: a position. Another position that I've said this team needs

744
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: to work on, and that's cornerback. Let me say this

745
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: real quick on certain I said this last week because

746
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: you know you you follow the little bread crumbs throughout

747
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: the league. Certans, I think the decordinator in Alabama would

748
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 1: at Florida State with Durwin and Jalen Ramsey. His comp

749
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: to Curtan is Jalen Ramsey. Brandon Staley and Jalen Ramsey

750
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: had some success last year. So I'm just I'm trying

751
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: to envision. Okay, listen, there's like a million different scenarios.

752
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: We don't know what's gonna happen. But imagine a guy

753
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: like Certan and Durwin James in a secondary together, couple

754
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: with Joey Bosa, v front you, Chenna, maybe some additional

755
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: pass fresh help through free agency or the draft. Un

756
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: I can talk myself into a lot of different positions.

757
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: Let's just say that I watched this. I can. I

758
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: can talk Gilbert into it too. Gilbert, if that means

759
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: he's like Jalen Ramsey, that means good. Quotes from Patrick Surdan,

760
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: I love it. Bring him on, No, and and definitely um,

761
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: I mean he says Waddle, I just envisioned like I've

762
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: said it, and I've said it numerous times, the Chargers,

763
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: in my opinion on offense, are missing speed. I think

764
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: that's the only little wrinkle that these guys need. I

765
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: know Jalen Guyden and Tyron Johnson did a great job

766
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: last year, but I feel like they're missing that true

767
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: number three down the field can can get separation something

768
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: like that, because they already have the two the two

769
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: big receivers on the outside. If you can add a waddle,

770
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it'd be incredible on this offense.

771
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: But I'm leaning more towards um corner as well. Like

772
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: Gilbert said, I mean, everything that happened is gonna happen

773
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: in free agency, and I feel like it's gonna dictate

774
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: where the Chargers go. But like you guys, like you

775
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 1: guys have said, interior offensive lineman is huge right now

776
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: in free agency. I feel like, and you know what, Chris,

777
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: you bring up a great point. I think it is

778
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: gonna be that that those top ten picks. I think

779
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: it's gonna be quarterback and lineman. I truly feel like

780
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: that's really what we're gonna what's gonna happen, And especially

781
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: if if the dominoes fall and Russell Wilson and to

782
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 1: Shaun Watson get traded. I mean, I think the first

783
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: ten picks is gonna be is gonna be crazy, and

784
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: there could be a lot of trades that happen. But truly,

785
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: I'm I'm really interested to see where the Chargers go

786
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: in this draft. There's a lot of different routes that

787
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: they can go. I mean, cornerback, like you said, curtain

788
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: would be a huge addition. Alabama does two things really well,

789
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: secondary and offensive line. So if you can get a

790
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: guy like Patrick Jertan here with Derwin, you have to

791
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: get younger. And I feel like Tampa really gave us

792
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: a look at a blueprint kind of to how to

793
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: kind of challenge Kansas City in a sense that's pass

794
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: rushing and kind of having young, fast corners that can

795
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: keep up with Tyreek Hill and all the weapons that

796
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: they have. Because when you talk about Travis Kelsey, I

797
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: mean Derwin can really get with him one on one

798
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: and that's gonna be a great battle to watch. Drew

799
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: trenk Will could also go up against Travis Kelsey and

800
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 1: go with him one on one. So those two guys

801
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: the Charge really do have part of the blueprint. I

802
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 1: feel like Staley's gonna come in and really just open

803
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: this up and really clam down on that defense and

804
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: make it into one of the better ones that we've

805
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: seen at times of Chargers beat but now they meet

806
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: consistency on that defensive side. And as we wrap this up,

807
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: there's a variety of ways to try to beat the Chiefs.

808
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: And we talked about our getting to Patrick Mahomes with

809
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: Bosa and company getting that secondary short up and you know,

810
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: you guys have guys like Travis Kelsey, Tyree Hill with

811
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: the speed, or you match speed for speed, and you

812
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: continue to bolster the wide receiving corps, continued to get

813
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: justin Herbert weapons. So they may be able to accomplish

814
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: all of those things through the combination of free agency

815
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: in the draft, we shall see. That's what makes this

816
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks so fun because we could be

817
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: having an entirely different conversation in the next couple of

818
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: weeks with free agency speed speed on offense speed. I'm buying, Hey,

819
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: go u us on the beat, what's the frequency of it?

820
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 1: Where can people get it? The people need to know it, Fernando,

821
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: I mean, no, they can go on well iTunes were

822
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: still waiting for verification, but we have Spotify YouTube. Really,

823
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: we're kind of playing it by ear in a sense

824
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: like if maybe Free Agency News starts dropping, we'll start

825
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: doing them. We're kind of gonna play it by ear.

826
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: But once the season gets closer, we're gonna probably be weekly.

827
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: So definitely it'll be awesome. Chris. Hopefully you can join

828
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: us for one episode. That'd be a lot of love too,

829
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: especially because like I said, like Gilbert and I like

830
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: literally are just having fun. We're we're throwing out stuff,

831
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: but we're also having fun. I mean, and that's why

832
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: if you look at the logo, Gilbert in his great wisdom,

833
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: did it in a different way so that there's like

834
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 1: a boxing ring, because hey, one day we made talk boxing.

835
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: If there's a big fight coming up, we made the

836
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: last fifteen minutes of the show talk boxing, if WrestleMania's

837
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: coming up, other stuff like that, Like we're gonna talk

838
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: about it, we're gonna have fun with it. So that's

839
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: really what we want. Cobaz on the B to B

840
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: is like it's like two friends sitting back having a

841
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: couple of movelos. Just for my boy Gil there and

842
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: he's talking sports really and Chris, you know, I want

843
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: to keep saying that I want people to know how

844
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: he got to this point in our career is because

845
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: there are not many of my minority reporters, especially covering

846
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: the NFL. I could probably count in my in my

847
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 1: in one hand how many Latino nflb right as they are,

848
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: and two of them cover the Chargers. So if you're

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Speaker 1: little bit and kind of pay it forward. Man. I

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Speaker 1: love that, and you guys are and you guys are

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Speaker 1: two of the best, no doubt, man. So I'm really

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Speaker 1: happy for your success. Can't wait to see this thing

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Speaker 1: get up and running. Fernando Romero Sports Illustrated, Gilbert Mazzano,

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Speaker 1: oresh County Registered. Thank you, fellas, Thank you and guys,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us. A big thanks to Gil,

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Speaker 1: Fernando and Brandon Thing for joining me and of course,

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Speaker 1: thanks you all for listening. Be sure to download and

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Speaker 1: Have a great weekend, and until next time, I'm Chris

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