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Speaker 1: Ron Andanian. There's no margin of error when it comes

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Speaker 1: to order repair. There's no second guessing something. There's no closer.

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Speaker 1: Is only good in hand grenades and horseshoes, all right,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't count in order retair. Order repair has got

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Speaker 1: I didn't hear you say that you verified all the

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Speaker 1: fuses related to the wipers were good. I have I

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Speaker 1: have checked that as well every anything that remotely connects

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Speaker 1: to the wipers. I have checked the future. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the radio home of Ron Andanian, the Car Doctor, since

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Speaker 1: this is where car owners the world overturned to for

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Speaker 1: their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving

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Speaker 1: The garage doors are open, but I am here to

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Speaker 1: along and welcome Ron and In the Car Doctor here

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Speaker 1: at five zero zero zero the Car Doctor hot line.

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Speaker 1: Call leave a message. If we're not on the air,

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Speaker 1: we go out on the network Saturday afternoons to the

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Speaker 1: leave a message Fast Tom Ray. I want to make

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Speaker 1: him fast. We should make him fast. What do you

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Speaker 1: think Michael will go against typecast? Let Michael have us

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Speaker 1: say right away. He's got to come over to the microphone, Michael.

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Speaker 1: What do you think Fast tom Ray has a nice

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Speaker 1: ring to it. Yeah, fast tom Rae has Well, that's right,

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Speaker 1: so and we could just make you fast tom Rae

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Speaker 1: And um, you know so, but fast fast tom Ray

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Speaker 1: the last guy we named fast, what happened to him?

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Speaker 1: He went south? So maybe we shouldn't do that. Let's

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Speaker 1: uh inside joke. Let's um, let's see what we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about this week. Well, I guess we're done talking

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Speaker 1: about Yeah, we talked about that. We talked about that.

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Speaker 1: know it up here from two weeks ago, three weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: I didn't really talk about this, and I was thinking

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Speaker 1: and what's what's relevant, what's common. And you know, as

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Speaker 1: price of cars, the price of repairs, everything is going up.

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Speaker 1: Nothing's getting cheaper. Uh, that's for gosh starn sure. And

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Speaker 1: takes this one year out of the range of what

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Speaker 1: technology cars. You know that that seventy two monty Carlos

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Speaker 1: state of mind. What makes us comfortable to spend money

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Speaker 1: People are? Funny? You know, in in forty plus years

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Speaker 1: no matter what you say or do, you're always wrong.

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Speaker 1: But they still want to get the car fixed. But

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Speaker 1: fluid extractor and go in through the fill hole and

427
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,199
Speaker 1: try to vacuum out as much as you could and

428
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 1: put in fresh and I would change it. I wouldn't.

429
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't hesitate. How many miles are on it now, David,

430
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 1: it's got about two No, I mean you got two

431
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 1: and a quarter out of it. You know, that's the

432
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,959
Speaker 1: other side of it if it's not leaking. Um, you know,

433
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 1: so let me ask you this. At two and a quarter,

434
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,399
Speaker 1: you know that's that presents a can of worms. I

435
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 1: was thinking this had seventy eight miles on it at

436
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 1: two and order. Um, you know, if the if the

437
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 1: component failed next week, would you change it? I probably would.

438
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,360
Speaker 1: But my question to you have you ever done them?

439
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 1: And what kind of costs are we looking at? Is

440
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 1: that well over a grant to do a p t U. UM.

441
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: I think the PTU I can tell you from an

442
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 1: explorer perspective. I've done the Explorers. I haven't done an edge. Uh.

443
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 1: The explorer PTU comes in parts and labor around fifteen

444
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 1: sixteen hundred all as if I remember, right, Yeah, that's

445
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: kind of what I'm thinking it is. So that's why

446
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 1: I am a little hesitant to even touch it. But

447
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 1: if there's something I can do, and you're kind of

448
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: so with that kind of mileage, what are you suggesting?

449
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 1: Are you still testing trying to extract some Well, I'd

450
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: extract it and take a sample of it and see

451
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: what it is at the very least, um, you know,

452
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 1: because I hate to go through the pain of extracting

453
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 1: it and then next week it fails, just by nature

454
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 1: of the beast. You'll get another phone call, right, I'll

455
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 1: get another phone call exactly. Um, that's okay. I like

456
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 1: talking to people from Michigan. Some of the people I

457
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 1: know are from Michigan as well as the other. How

458
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: many states do we have? Michael quick? Thanks Michael, Yeah,

459
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: forty two, um, forty three, whatever it takes. Um, you know,

460
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: let's do this. Can we take a fluid sample and

461
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 1: see what it is? Yeah? And and my guess after

462
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 1: this many years and miles, it's it's probably not going

463
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 1: to be too liquid. But yeah, I can. I can

464
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: pull the you know, the PHIL plug out of there

465
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,400
Speaker 1: and see what it looks like there. But from things

466
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: I've seen on the internet, it doesn't look too pretty, right.

467
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 1: And for all the things that we you know, we

468
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: send oil, we send engine oil out the laboratories to

469
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 1: be analyzed after five or six or ten thousand miles.

470
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 1: You know, this would be interesting to send PTU oil

471
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: out and say, hey, here's what it's supposed to be.

472
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: What is it? Um and and and get a lab

473
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 1: report for that. That actually might make an interesting story, uh,

474
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: to see what's truly what it truly looks like at

475
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: two and twenty five thousand miles. Maybe we'll all be

476
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: proven wrong, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it is a lifetime Phil.

477
00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: But I you know, Dick be another there could be

478
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 1: another hundred thousand miles in that unit, you know, Um,

479
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: so I think if you want an answer, I think

480
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna be let's take a sample, send it out

481
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: for analysis, and see what they come back to us

482
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 1: and tell us it is. If that's supposed to be

483
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: gear oil, which I'm not sure what's in that one. Um,

484
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of what's in the Explorer. It's

485
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: not it's not. I think it's yeah, yeah, because it's right,

486
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: it's not LV it's I think it's gear oil if

487
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 1: I remember it on the Explorers. But uh, um, yeah,

488
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: let's see what they tell us. It looks like, let's

489
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 1: see what they tell us it's it's supposed to be

490
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: and make a determination from there. You know, this is

491
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 1: sort of like the argument too about you've never changed

492
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: the trans fluid? Do you want to change the trans fluid?

493
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 1: I would vote yes, all right, but I would vote

494
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: yes with the intent that if it failed, at least

495
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: I was watching for it and I did everything I

496
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: could to try and prevent it. Um. I kind of

497
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: think in all seriousness that if I change the oil

498
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 1: on something today and tomorrow, it fails as long as

499
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: I was using proper procedure and put in the right

500
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,479
Speaker 1: the right material that component was bound to fail at

501
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: some point anyway. All right, even even automatic transmissions. Automatic

502
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: transmissions have to be really radically you know, gummed up

503
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: to to to have the fluid cause of failure. Um

504
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: that I have seen over on a regular basis over

505
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: my career. Uh. You know, if the fluid has any

506
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: sort of color left to it, I change it. If

507
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: it's completely pitch black, you know, if trans fluid and

508
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: will change gears here for a minute, no pun intended.

509
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: If if if trans fluid David is completely black and

510
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be pink. The real question is do

511
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: I want to change the trans or change the fluid?

512
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: Because I think we all have to agree we're on

513
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: borrow time, right, So I always like to think in

514
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: terms of safety. When do I want to change the fluid?

515
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: When do I want to upgrade them, own it and

516
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: make it safe? Um? You know, the road is a

517
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: very unforgiving place, and bad things happen to good people

518
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: stuck on the side of the road, and that's what

519
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: you're ultimately trying to prevent exactly. So al right, okay,

520
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: weak that advice. Maybe we'll get a sample out of

521
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: there and send it off to a black stone or

522
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: one of the ways, right exactly. And if you if

523
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: if you do get a report, i'd really appreciate seeing it. Um,

524
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: if you give us a call back and and UM,

525
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: I'd like to discuss that. I think it would be

526
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: very interesting. I think it would be very telling as

527
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: to what's really going on there. All right, sir, sure,

528
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 1: sure I can do that. Okay, you let us know. Well,

529
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: do take care, take care very good sir. Yes, or

530
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: a happy New Year to you too. I'm running any

531
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: in the Car Doctor. We are back right after this

532
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: down when you get keep Ron's number hand five five

533
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: nine nine zero zero for when you really need advice

534
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: on your car. Here's hey, let's get over and talk

535
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: to Frank in New Mexico. Frank, Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir.

536
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: How can I help? Oh? Great show is always learning

537
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: something every week. I've got a question I've always wondered about.

538
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: When I'm looking through my factory manuals, be the GM

539
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: Ford whatever, in certain procedures they make reference to a

540
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: factory tool j whatever. Who supplied these tools? Are they

541
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: still available? Are they do their only things? No? Um,

542
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,959
Speaker 1: so you're speaking you know specific in in general motors language,

543
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: kent More or a J tool UH was manufactured. Believe

544
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: it or not, the majority of the tools such as

545
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: that the J tools in very often cases was manufactured

546
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: by O t C O A ton A Tool Company,

547
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: UM or or or a division or a likeness thereof

548
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,479
Speaker 1: one of the things that and I'll say it like this,

549
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: So sp X and I may not be a percent

550
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: correct on my corporate nomenclature, but my unders standing was

551
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: within the last twenty years sp X was the parent

552
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: company of O t C. As p X held the

553
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: patents and all the rights and or most of the

554
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: rights to most of the J tools. So when I

555
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: was doing consulting for O t C, I would always

556
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: go through their factory catalogs and say, look, you know

557
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 1: this is an essential tool. One tool that comes to

558
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: mind is on late model four trucks, like a UH

559
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: two thousand five four truck with full floating front axle,

560
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: there's a special tool and sealed driver to put the

561
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: hub together. Now, they had it available over on the

562
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: O East Side, but they didn't have the equivalent in

563
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: the aftermarket, so the independent repair shop would have to

564
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: spend close to five dollars to buy this seal driver

565
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: that could have been made out of a lighter material

566
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: or you know, a less expensive for a third the cost.

567
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: They couldn't take that tool and insert it into the

568
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: O T C tool lineup because of patent infringement and

569
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: a bunch of other legal issues and it kind of

570
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: got in the way. But you know, it just shows

571
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: you how expensive auto repair can be because of the legalities.

572
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: Fast forward, um, A lot of that is going away.

573
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: A lot of the tool manufacturers are looking for alternatives,

574
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: are looking for other methods in other ways to incorporate

575
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: the O E tools as tools, as as cars become

576
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: so very specific, you need more and more tools, they're

577
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: looking for ways to make that happen at at at

578
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: a more affordable level. The majority of tooling came out

579
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: of sp X O T C and then there was

580
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: Miller tool for Chrysler UM O t C or SPX

581
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: at the time, also made for Toyota, also made for Honda. Uh.

582
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: You know, we talk scan tools. The Chrysler d RB

583
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: three back in the day. The Chrysler d RB three

584
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: back in the in the in the late nineties and

585
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: the early two thousand's, the d RB three was the

586
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: factory scan tool I've got one hanging in the shop.

587
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: That tool was assembled by three little old ladies in Outona, Michigan.

588
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: I've been in the room. I was there, all right,

589
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: and they just sat there and they had resistant boards

590
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: and they had little tables in front of them, and

591
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: they take this resistant out. And I watched Dallas build

592
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: a tool one day and she took this one out.

593
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: But here today that all hand assembled. You take the board,

594
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: put it on the conveyor belt and it went off

595
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: to the solder bath. Um, you know, it's it's not

596
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: that the factories. The factories are not making their tools,

597
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: just like they're not making their parts. All they are

598
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: as assemblers, that's all they are. And all they are

599
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: for tools is just you know, um you know pro

600
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: cure is they're just sending things out forbidden. Who can

601
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: make it in the in the cheapest, best fashion, so

602
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: to speak. When I need a special tool, when I

603
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: need a factory tool, if I can't get it vis A,

604
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: vis snap On or one of the other tool manufacturers,

605
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: uh you know, it's Amazon. It's it's make it it's um,

606
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: you know, fabricated out of something in the shop. But

607
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: it's it's gotten to the point now where reading a

608
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: procedure beforehand, and when I train a mechanic in the shop,

609
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: which I haven't had to do for a while now

610
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: fortunately knock Wood, UM, it's read the procedure. And I

611
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: always tell them make sure we have all the tools

612
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: before you take it apart, because I want to make

613
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: sure we can get it back together. And you know

614
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: that's that's always a concern to UM. But yeah, the

615
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: the tooling is getting tougher each and every year, each

616
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: and every year, Frank, it really is. So I can

617
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: search out those original numbers from the manuals and I

618
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: might have some luck, yeah, you know, searching out under Google,

619
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: under images, UM. You know, you might also find it

620
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: on eBay. You know, I always I always tell people,

621
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: you know, if you're working on your own car, you

622
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: want a specific tool. eBay is a great resource. Shops

623
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: are going out of business, shops are updating and throwing

624
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: out tools. I was just looking the other day. I

625
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: was looking at the top shelf in the back room.

626
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: I've got do you do you remember what Ford breakout

627
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: boxes were? Four breakout box back you know when EKE

628
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: four which is Electronic Engine Control four, which ran from

629
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: about eighty too till ninety. Um, so let's see, we

630
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: haven't had e four were in twenty years. Let me

631
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: see twenty five years, twenty five years. Michael, do the math.

632
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: You're young, twenty five years? Good, the kid says twenty five,

633
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: so we'll go with that. Um. I've still got all

634
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: the FOURD breakout boxes from my god forty years ago.

635
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: Why am I keeping those? What am I gonna do

636
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: with them? You know? I should probably put him up

637
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: on eBay and selling for a couple of bucks apiece,

638
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: and just make room on the shelf for the next

639
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: thing I'm gonna make obsolete. I I It's funny the

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00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: end of the year brings about you start looking at

641
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: the pile of things that you don't use as much anymore,

642
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: and it just shows the expense involved in auto repair,

643
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: It really does. What's a good snap on model to

644
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: search out for to handle my eighty six and eighty

645
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: seven GM eight nine niece on? Oh, buy a brick,

646
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: Buy a snap on brick they called the d MT.

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00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: Just make sure it's got the right yeah, just make

648
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: sure it's got the right cartridges and cables, and you

649
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: can buy those dirt cheap. That was a really good

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00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: tool in its day. It really was just make sure

651
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: it's got the right um, the right chips and the

652
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: right you know, key codes, because it's it's it was

653
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: a little primitive compared to the newer stuff, but that

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00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: tool had built in self diagnostic help. You know, there's

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00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: a lot of things. There was a lot of good

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00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: things about that tool. There really was um and I

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00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: think snap On still got. As a matter of fact,

658
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: I just brought a brand new Modus Edge. Uh not

659
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: too long ago. I traded in the Ultra and I

660
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: just swapped it for an Edge and that we're gonna

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00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: continue on with that next year as I continue to

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00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: try and trim down the pile of scandals to get

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00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: it down to three or four, which is almost an impossibility.

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00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: So but anyway, Frank, I'm up against the clock. I

665
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: hope that does it for you. Have yourself a good, safe,

666
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: mery new year, Happy New Year, one or the other,

667
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: whatever you decide, and uh, I'll talk to you next year.

668
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: I'm running any of the Car Doctor, don't go away,

669
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: Welcome back, end of the Car Doctorate by five zero.

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00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: None more calls today. We're just trying to close out

671
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: the hour reading and just keep in mind though for

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00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: next week. You know we're gonna be here, provided we

673
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,959
Speaker 1: get through New Year's and uh um, so on and

674
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: so forth. Reading the latest real fixture track repair from

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00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: the folks at Mitchell. And there's a bunch of things

676
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: about this. But the trouble code here was that he

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00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: isn't Peter twenty e e. All right, Um, you know

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00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: we're so used to O b D two rite O

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00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: b D two diagnostics. P was for power train and

680
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 1: then you know, if it was a zero in front

681
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: of it, it would tell us if it was a manufacturer.

682
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: If there was a one there, it would tell you

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00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: it was you know, O b D two compliant. And

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00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: you know trouble codes were P zero four, twenty zero

685
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: four thirty, P zero four seventies six and so on.

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00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: P twenty e e. We're now making and I know

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00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: what the E is gonna do. If you went to

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00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: the trouble tree and you looked up the code, there

689
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: would be a there would be a sub category with

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00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: a subpin chart that would take you down. And they're

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00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: they're taking trouble codes down to the to the minutia

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00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: level I call, they're taking it down to a subacute

693
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: level to make things very exact and specific. In this case,

694
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 1: they had a vehicle. They had a two thousand eleven

695
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: uh Ram Dodge Ram with a check engine light was

696
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: on and they found that the cat efficiency was below threshold.

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00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: Before it used to be a Pizero four twenty. Now

698
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: it changed. They found out that the diesel exhaust fluid

699
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: dosing valve had an issue. They replaced it in the

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00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: car was fixed. Where will the technology lead us, I'm

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00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: not quite sure, but I will tell you this. Come

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00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: Hi Ron and aating. The car doctor will be right

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00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 1: here to help you lead to it. Because good mechanics

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00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: aren't expensive, they're priceless. Happy New Year, see you