WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema: Dr. Cyclops

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, welcome to Weird How Cinema.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Rob Lamb.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm Joe McCormack, and today we're going to be

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<v Speaker 4>talking about the nineteen forty size related thriller Doctor Cyclops.

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<v Speaker 4>You know that line, that classic Hollywood line about how

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<v Speaker 4>I stayed big it's the pictures that got small. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>you can't say that about this movie, because this movie

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<v Speaker 4>is really truly about actors getting small.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>This is our first nineteen forties film. I mean barely

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<v Speaker 2>since it's a nineteen forty release. But yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 2>one I was not familiar with. I've never heard of it,

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<v Speaker 2>despite the fact that it has a pretty famous director

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<v Speaker 2>who we'll get into more about in a second. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's Ernest B. Showedsack, who if that name doesn't ring

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<v Speaker 2>a bell, I think his most famous film will for you.

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<v Speaker 2>It was, of course King Kong.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this this movie I thought was a real firecracker. Like,

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<v Speaker 4>it looks great, it has amazing special effects. The story

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<v Speaker 4>isn't as complex as you might hope. But then again,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, this was a I don't know, a horror

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<v Speaker 4>thriller of the of the nineteen thirties and forties, of

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<v Speaker 4>the of the Hayes Code era, so you can only

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<v Speaker 4>expect so much moral and intellectual complexity. But just as

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<v Speaker 4>a big special effects thriller, the kind of Transformers or

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<v Speaker 4>Independence Day of nineteen forty, it's it's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think that's also only the way you

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<v Speaker 2>have to approach it is a it is a nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>forty special effects fiasco, and the special effects very much

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<v Speaker 2>come first. And you know, by today's standards they might

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<v Speaker 2>not look as you know, as amazing. But if you

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<v Speaker 2>but that's again only if you're looking at it as

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<v Speaker 2>a modern viewer and not thinking about the history of filmmaking.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I think if you, if you sit there and

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<v Speaker 2>watch the film in its entirety and keep reminding yourself

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<v Speaker 2>like this is nineteen forty, you know, this is what

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<v Speaker 2>had been done before with similar effects, and it will

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<v Speaker 2>impress you.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the special effects in this movie do look fantastic.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I think they look so much better than

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<v Speaker 4>the quote realistic CGI that floods the films of today.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's true, yeah, I mean, you know, it's very polished,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, using the tools of the day.

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<v Speaker 3>It creates I think some high quality visuals.

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<v Speaker 4>So this is We've talked about a number of mad

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<v Speaker 4>scientist movies, and I'm sure we will talk about many

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<v Speaker 4>more mad scientist movies in the future. Mad Scientists are

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<v Speaker 4>kind of the hub of the wheel of weird house cinema,

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<v Speaker 4>and this particular mad scientist is a mad scientist who

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<v Speaker 4>likes to shrink people with radiation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the villainous doctor Thorkol. And yeah, he's pretty great

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<v Speaker 2>because he's you know, I guess his real defining characteristic

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<v Speaker 2>is he's a complete lamaniac. You know, he already feels

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<v Speaker 2>himself to be a giant among tiny people, and his

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<v Speaker 2>super science just enables him to make that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>an objective reality.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, I think doctor Thorkel would probably shrink you to

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<v Speaker 4>death for the way he pronounced his name. Because of

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<v Speaker 4>the one of the funny things in this movie, So

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<v Speaker 4>his name is spelled t h o r k e L.

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<v Speaker 4>So I read that in like any other normal American

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<v Speaker 4>English speaker, I would think Thorkele.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if I had to go to an appointment with

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Thorkele, I would call and be like, yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a patient of doctor Thorkele's.

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<v Speaker 4>But the characters in this movie make a really special

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<v Speaker 4>effort to always emphasize the second letter. So it's like

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<v Speaker 4>Sar Dough, no mister, accent on the doe. Here we

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<v Speaker 4>get thor Kel, No mister, it's doctor accent on the kel.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor thor Kel. Yeah, and in this picture you can

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<v Speaker 2>you can basically, well, here's the elevator Pitch, a mad

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<v Speaker 2>scientist working in the south of Maria and jungle miniaturizes

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<v Speaker 2>his colleagues when he feels his megalomania is threatened. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's basically it's apocalypse now, but with doctor thorp Kel

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<v Speaker 2>instead of Colonel Kurtz. Science instead of war, and miniaturization

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<v Speaker 2>instead of the horror.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's say that's about accurate. Yeah, and well, and instead

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<v Speaker 4>of Martin Sheen, it's a ragtag team of the world's

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<v Speaker 4>greatest scientists and a mule guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And instead of spending like a large portion of the

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<v Speaker 2>film about the journey, that journey is really quick in

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<v Speaker 2>this they just skiffy right through it.

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<v Speaker 4>Should we hit that trailer audio, Yeah, let's hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>Then a crocodile becomes as huge as a prehistoric monster.

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<v Speaker 4>A rifle as unwieldy as a siege gun, a.

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<v Speaker 3>Terrifying black cat whose jaws lee den a dog looms

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<v Speaker 3>larger than an elephant.

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<v Speaker 4>Then in the hands of a ruthless monster.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So let's talk about the people involved here. Really,

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<v Speaker 2>the one we're going to spend the most time on is,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, the director Ernest B. Schodsak.

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<v Speaker 4>I know almost nothing about the life of Shodzak except

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<v Speaker 4>that he is involved with one of the great early

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<v Speaker 4>special effects and I don't know what you might call

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<v Speaker 4>it science fiction horror films of the big studio era,

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<v Speaker 4>which is King Kong.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean really, King Kong, despite being very much

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<v Speaker 2>a genre film, it transcends genre like it is that

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<v Speaker 2>film is an icon of cinematic history itself. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of it's kind of difficult to overstate its

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<v Speaker 2>importance in the history of film. But he and certainly

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<v Speaker 2>I think you, mister you science Theater three thousand fans

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<v Speaker 2>would agree it is a great eight movie. But shod

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<v Speaker 2>Sack also directed another great eight movie, and that would

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<v Speaker 2>be Mighty Joe Young. So if you're not familiar with

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<v Speaker 2>King Kong for reasons unimaginable, then perhaps you've heard of

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<v Speaker 2>Mighty Joe Young.

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<v Speaker 4>Did that get some kind of remake in the nineteen nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it did. Goodness, I forget who was in it,

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<v Speaker 2>but they had. Mighty Joe Young is a is an

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<v Speaker 2>enlarged ape as well, but not nearly as enlarged as

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<v Speaker 2>King Kong.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a medium enlarged ape.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think I've seen some comparisons. Just in

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<v Speaker 2>the same way that Godzilla keeps getting bigger and bigger

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<v Speaker 2>in films, King Kong also inevitably just gets bigger and bigger,

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<v Speaker 2>but Mighty Joe Young was always a smaller giant ape.

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<v Speaker 4>So some of this guy's big movies seem all focused

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<v Speaker 4>on changes in size perspective, either really big creatures or

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<v Speaker 4>really little creatures smaller than they're supposed to be. And

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<v Speaker 4>this is funny because I think there were This is

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<v Speaker 4>sort of the A list version of that kind of director,

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<v Speaker 4>but there were also B list versions of that kind

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<v Speaker 4>of director, because you get people like Bert Eye Gordon,

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<v Speaker 4>who made B movies, almost all of which are about

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<v Speaker 4>creatures of unusual size, either like a person or a

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<v Speaker 4>creature that gets shrunken down or creatures that get blown up.

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<v Speaker 2>Real big Yeah, and you know, I think ultimately Bird

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<v Speaker 2>Eye Gordon was able to make some really interesting films,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're generally not put on the same pedestal as

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<v Speaker 2>King Kong.

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<v Speaker 4>None of them look as beautiful as Doctor Cyclops does.

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<v Speaker 4>Another thing that Doctor Cyclops really has going for it

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<v Speaker 4>with the modern release, especially or at least the blu

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<v Speaker 4>ray of it that we watched, it has three color Technicolor,

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<v Speaker 4>and the technicolor is gorgeous. The colors are just dripping

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<v Speaker 4>off the screen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in a similar way to Doctor X, though that

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<v Speaker 2>was not technicolor. That was what two tone technicolor.

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<v Speaker 4>Two color technicolor. Yeah, this is three colors. So this

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<v Speaker 4>is like the color you know, color films that would

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<v Speaker 4>come later.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So there's a certain unreality to it, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful and it's certainly I mean, I find it more

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<v Speaker 2>engaging than a lot of black and light films of

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<v Speaker 2>the period. Just you know, Yeah, I guess it depends,

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<v Speaker 2>like you wouldn't want to see Mad Love and color.

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<v Speaker 2>Mad Love belongs in black and white, like that is

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<v Speaker 2>the world of that film, but this one really benefits

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<v Speaker 2>from the.

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<v Speaker 4>Color well and taking place in the jungle. I feel

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<v Speaker 4>like there are a lot of shots in it that

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<v Speaker 4>I wonder if they were only included to take advantage

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<v Speaker 4>of that beautiful three color technicolor. Like there are parts

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<v Speaker 4>where it will just cut away to some kind of

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<v Speaker 4>tropical bird that is squawking in a tree, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we see all of its beautiful feathers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, sort of. You know before three D there

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<v Speaker 2>was there was technicolor.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, it's quite quite a beautiful looking film. So let's

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<v Speaker 2>let's talk about the director behind it again.

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<v Speaker 3>Ernest B.

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<v Speaker 2>Showed Zach who lived eighteen ninety three through nineteen seventy nine.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not going to really be able to touch on

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<v Speaker 2>his entire biography here, but if if you want a

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<v Speaker 2>good one, you know, you can go to the usual places.

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<v Speaker 2>I found Britannica had a nice one online. But here's

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<v Speaker 2>some of the interesting points, sort of the bullet points

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<v Speaker 2>of his life that I think are with driving home here. So,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, he ran away from home as a

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<v Speaker 2>teenager and worked as a surveyor in San Francisco. He

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<v Speaker 2>got a job as a cameraman from with help from

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<v Speaker 2>his brother in nineteen fourteen, and then during the First

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<v Speaker 2>World War he served as a cameraman in the Signal

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<v Speaker 2>Corps in France. He stayed in Europe. After that he

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<v Speaker 2>got involved in adventure filmmaking. So this is interesting because

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<v Speaker 2>it makes sense given the nature of films like King Kong.

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<v Speaker 2>But it also, you know, it seems to run against

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<v Speaker 2>the grain if you think about his success in fiction,

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<v Speaker 2>because earlier on it's less purely fictional. There's a certain

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<v Speaker 2>documentary aspect to it, like fictionalized documentary work. So he

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<v Speaker 2>served with the Red Cross in nineteen nineteen, helped refugees

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<v Speaker 2>from the Russo Polish War, and he also filmed this

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<v Speaker 2>conflict as well as the Greco Turkish War of nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one through twenty two, And in this he essentially

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<v Speaker 2>wound up working as a conflict journalist and was then

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<v Speaker 2>sponsored by the New York Times as a cameraman on

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<v Speaker 2>an around the world expedition.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>So he worked on this. He worked with a pilot

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<v Speaker 2>by the name of Marion C. Cooper, and they began

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<v Speaker 2>producing what they called natural dramas, which were a kind

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<v Speaker 2>of combination of travelog and drama. This is super fascinating

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<v Speaker 2>given what we've covered stuff to blow your mind before.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen twenty five, he joined William Beebe's expedition to

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<v Speaker 2>the Galapagos Islands as a cameraman.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah.

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<v Speaker 4>Now William Beebe was, if you'll recalled the was he

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<v Speaker 4>a marine biologist. He was a researcher who got down

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<v Speaker 4>into a basically a gigantic metal ball that just was

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<v Speaker 4>dangled down deep into the ocean to see what kind

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<v Speaker 4>of life could be observed through a tiny window in

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<v Speaker 4>this ball at depths that had never before been documented firsthand. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>the bathosphere horrifying because this ball had no means of

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<v Speaker 4>self propulsion. It was not a submersible, It was not

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<v Speaker 4>a submarine. It was just a hollow metal sphere and

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<v Speaker 4>dangling by a chain. So if the chain breaks, you

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<v Speaker 4>just sink to the bottom of the ocean.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but he was as we discussed in past episodes

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<v Speaker 2>of Stuff to Blow your Mind. He was also notable

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<v Speaker 2>because he tended to surround himself not only with technicians

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<v Speaker 2>on these expeditions, but also artists like people who could

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<v Speaker 2>write about it, people who could illustrate what was going on.

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<v Speaker 2>And it turns out showed Saq was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>creatives that he brought a board to document the work.

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<v Speaker 2>At least on one of the expeditions.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, I think the bathisphere of observations were not in

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<v Speaker 4>the Galapago, so that was somewhere in the Atlantic of itself,

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<v Speaker 4>what Bermuda or somewhere in the Bahamas.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I believe. So this would have been a Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this would have been a different journey. But still it's

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful how these two came together. I wasn't expecting him

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<v Speaker 2>to come up in this. So anyway, from here showed

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<v Speaker 2>Sack and Cooper. They go on to produce a natural

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<v Speaker 2>drama titled Chang, a drama of the wilderness from twenty

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<v Speaker 2>set in nineteen twenty seven. This earned a nomination for

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<v Speaker 2>Best Picture at the very first Academy Awards. He then

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<v Speaker 2>directed The Four Feathers in nineteen twenty nine, based on

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen oh two novel, shot in California and the Sudan.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he shot Rango in Sumatra, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>film about and this just sounds like super ambitious for

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<v Speaker 2>any filmmaker because it's about a boy and a rangutang

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<v Speaker 2>and a tiger, filmed in thirty one. Again, then he

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<v Speaker 2>shot The Most Dangerous Game in thirty two.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, okay, wait, didn't we just talk about no We

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<v Speaker 4>talked about Ernest Dickerson's Survivor is it Surviving the Game?

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<v Speaker 3>Surviving the Game?

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, the Iced Tea movie, which is sort of based

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<v Speaker 4>on the similar concept the novella or novel The Most

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<v Speaker 4>Dangerous Game, which is about a human who hunts men.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and so it's been popular for a while. It's

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<v Speaker 2>one of those stories that's going to keep getting adapted

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<v Speaker 2>in one form or the other. Now, from here, Showtek

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<v Speaker 2>and Cooper moved on to what would be the most

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<v Speaker 2>famous motion picture that they worked on, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>King Kong of nineteen thirty three, and then they followed

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<v Speaker 2>this up with The Sun of Kong, which also came

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<v Speaker 2>out in nineteen thirty three, And then they did they

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<v Speaker 2>also did a movie titled Blind Adventure, which also came

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<v Speaker 2>out in nineteen thirty three.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was quite for these.

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<v Speaker 4>Two regular Roger Corman over here. This is like Roger

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<v Speaker 4>Corman's in nineteen fifty seven or whatever your year it

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<v Speaker 4>was that he made like fourteen movies.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so yeah, an impressive year. They were really

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<v Speaker 2>just firing on all cylinders. Now, in nineteen thirty five,

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<v Speaker 2>they made a film titled The Last Days of POMPEII,

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<v Speaker 2>and this was ultimately, at least a commercially a failed

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<v Speaker 2>attempt at an historical epic. So after this, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they were kind of I guess in some version of

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<v Speaker 2>director's jail. He ended up doing smaller pictures. But then

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<v Speaker 2>he got another shot at a big genre film, a

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<v Speaker 2>special effects feature, and that is nineteen forty's Doctor Cyclops.

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<v Speaker 2>And Cooper was an uncredited producer on this film. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>of course we'll get back to Selector Cyclops in depth here.

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<v Speaker 2>But World War II broke out and Shoudzak was, like

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people sucked into the war machine anew

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<v Speaker 2>and while testing photographic equipment at high altitude for the

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<v Speaker 2>US Army Air Corps, he suffered a severe eye injury.

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to get like a firm account of it.

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<v Speaker 2>If there's a good biography about Shodzak, I wasn't able

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<v Speaker 2>to find one, like a you know, like a book

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<v Speaker 2>length biography. I believe what happened is he accidentally dropped

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<v Speaker 2>his face mask. And I'm a little foggy on the

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<v Speaker 2>exact nature of what the injury was. If we're talking about, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, some sort of a light blast based injury

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<v Speaker 2>or of its pressure based, but the end result was

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<v Speaker 2>severely damaged his eyesight, and he only directed a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of additional films. Really only one notable film after that,

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<v Speaker 2>and this was Mighty Joe Young in nineteen forty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>which featured OSCAR winning special effects by O'Brien and Ray

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<v Speaker 2>Harry Housen. Oh god, yeah, yeah, so another big name.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he finally directed a portion of This Is

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<v Speaker 2>Cinerama in nineteen fifty two, uncredited to promote the Cinerama

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<v Speaker 2>widescreen projection process. But that was pretty much yet like

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<v Speaker 2>after this eye injury, you know, he just wasn't able

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<v Speaker 2>and or you know, or didn't want to direct. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was, you know, more about ability. And then

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<v Speaker 2>he died in nineteen seventy nine. Cooper died in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy three. He did a bit more work after Mighty

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Young came out, including serving as executive producer on

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty six as The Searchers, directed by John Ford

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<v Speaker 2>and starring, of course John Wayne.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a fantastic coincidence how this story about his

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<v Speaker 4>damaged eyesight connects to the plot of Doctor Cyclops. It

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<v Speaker 4>almost makes me wonder do you know what exactly the

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<v Speaker 4>time of his injury was. Could it have been before

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<v Speaker 4>Doctor Cyclops or was it after?

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that's the weird thing about this. I've not

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<v Speaker 2>been able to find like a firm date for this injury,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like a statement, you know, in this year

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<v Speaker 2>or in this month, this is when showed Sack suffered

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<v Speaker 2>the eye injury. It's it's my understanding that that the

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<v Speaker 2>the eye injury occurred after Doctor Cyclops.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow. Because so we'll get into this a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>more when we discussed the plot, But one of the

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<v Speaker 4>main uh situation points of Doctor Cyclops is that the

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<v Speaker 4>the titular doctor uh doctor Thorkel is a is a

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<v Speaker 4>brilliant scientist, but he's limited by damage to his eyes.

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<v Speaker 4>He has got poor eyesight already and relies on these

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<v Speaker 4>really thick glasses.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is this is just mysterious to me, Like

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<v Speaker 2>it's either an amazing coincidence or I have it wrong

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<v Speaker 2>and there is more connective tissue here, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe he had you know, previously damaged his eyes in

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<v Speaker 2>some fashion, or his eyesight was already fading. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure you know what the answer is here, but as

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<v Speaker 2>it turns out, like his actual biography and the and

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<v Speaker 2>some of the plot elements in Doctor Cyclops do line up.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, he did not write Doctor Cyclops though.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct right.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Cyclops was and by a writer by the name

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<v Speaker 2>of Tom Kilpatrick who lived eighteen ninety eight through nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty two, and you can look him up on IMDb.

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<v Speaker 2>But basically he wrote various crime in Western screenplays and

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<v Speaker 2>tell a plays, but nothing that really jumped out to

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<v Speaker 2>me personally.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, the script here is not really anything to

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<v Speaker 4>write home about, except in the skillful way that it

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<v Speaker 4>string that it efficiently strings together excellent special effects set pieces.

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<v Speaker 4>But you're not going to like run into interesting character

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<v Speaker 4>development or like super witty dialogue in this movie. This

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<v Speaker 4>is a very much a sets and special effects driven film.

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<v Speaker 4>But I will give the script credit for connecting each

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<v Speaker 4>one of those things to the next in a very

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<v Speaker 4>fast paced and enjoyable way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, well, let's talk about Doctor Thorkel. In

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<v Speaker 2>this film, he is played by an actor by the

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<v Speaker 2>name of Albert Decker who lived nineteen oh five through

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty eight. He was a Broadway star turn film actor,

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<v Speaker 2>and later in his life he served on the California

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<v Speaker 2>State Legislature and largely transitioned back to stage in his

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<v Speaker 2>later career. He often played aggressive characters, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>probably due to his great size. So he was he

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<v Speaker 2>was six two, which granted isn't like super tall, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's that's I mean, it's reasonably tall. I'm six two

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<v Speaker 2>or so, and I bought my head way too often.

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<v Speaker 4>It's big in this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think part of that too is that

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<v Speaker 2>not only is he six two, but he's he's got

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a thick physique, like not you know, not

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<v Speaker 2>obese or anything, but like he's he looks at he

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<v Speaker 2>has this kind of he looks kind of beefy, especially

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<v Speaker 2>for a mad scientist in a movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Usually they're a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Scrawnier, and like doctor Thorkel looks like he could really

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<v Speaker 2>throw down.

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<v Speaker 4>You would not want to tangle with Thorkel, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, this guy, Albert Decker played him. Notable roles

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<v Speaker 2>for him include roles in Kiss Me Deadly, and East

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<v Speaker 2>of Eden, which was fifty five I believe, as well

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<v Speaker 2>as his his last film role, which was in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty nine's The Wild Bunch. Ah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the hyper violent Sam peckinpah movie in which I

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<v Speaker 4>think he plays. He plays some kind of like railroad

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<v Speaker 4>policeman or like a railway detective. He's hunting the outlaws

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<v Speaker 4>in the movie. If I recall.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, it's one that I have. Somehow I managed to

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<v Speaker 2>get through my twenties and thirties without seeing The Wild Bunch.

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<v Speaker 4>It is a dusty, dirty, nasty, violent movie. It makes

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<v Speaker 4>you need a bath. In fact, I would say the

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<v Speaker 4>full vibe of that movie is summed up in one exchange.

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<v Speaker 4>The outlaws arrive at the compound of this powerful guy

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<v Speaker 4>and the guy says to them, like, you're filthy, you

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<v Speaker 4>need baths. And one of the outlaws says, we don't

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<v Speaker 4>want baths, we want women.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds delightful.

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<v Speaker 4>One sentence that communicates a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well in this film. Yeah, Like we've said,

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<v Speaker 2>he's delightful. He's got this wonderful, imposing physical presence. He's

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<v Speaker 2>got these you know, these scheming eyes that are accentuated

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<v Speaker 2>by his his his glasses, bald head in evil mustache.

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<v Speaker 2>And I have to say he was reminding me of

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<v Speaker 2>somebody as I was watching this, and I figured out

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<v Speaker 2>who it is. It's British actor Julian Barrett, who mighty

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<v Speaker 2>Boosche fans out there. You might recognize him as the

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<v Speaker 2>actor who played Howard Moon, but he also showed up

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<v Speaker 2>on Dark Place with Darth Morangi.

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<v Speaker 4>As a priest, okay, and he also.

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<v Speaker 2>Was in something recently he was. He was the titular

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<v Speaker 2>character in Mindhorn, which I've heard good things about.

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<v Speaker 4>I never caught him in Dark Place, but I should

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<v Speaker 4>go back and watch that whole series again in one sitting.

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<v Speaker 2>It's ironically it is the ape heavy episode I believe.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, Howard Moon or Julian Barrett same height as

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<v Speaker 2>as Albert Decker, and I feel like Doctor Thorkel could

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<v Speaker 2>have easily been a Julian Barrett character. I included a

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<v Speaker 2>photos here if you can compare the two like they

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<v Speaker 2>they have very similar physicality, facial features. Both are prone

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<v Speaker 2>to wearing a mustache, so I include that for what

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<v Speaker 2>it's worth.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I can see and like Doctor Thorkel, he's gonna

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<v Speaker 4>hurt you real bad.

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<v Speaker 3>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>So there are other humans in this film, and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>touch on them with in less detail because there's not

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<v Speaker 2>much else for non Doctor Thorkel characters to do in

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<v Speaker 2>this film.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I would say they execute their functions correctly,

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<v Speaker 4>which is to move the plot from one fantastic set

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<v Speaker 4>and prop sort of extravaganza to another.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and do so, you know, with a serious look

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<v Speaker 2>on their face. So the first one to mention here

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<v Speaker 2>is Thomas Coley, who plays Bill Stockton. He lived nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen through nineteen eighty nine. This was his very first

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<v Speaker 2>film role, followed by mostly a lot of TV work.

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<v Speaker 2>His part partner was actor and writer William Roorick. And

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<v Speaker 2>Roorick was a theater actor on Broadway who is also

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<v Speaker 2>in Not of This Earth.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh wow, So that was the nineteen fifty seven Roger

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<v Speaker 4>Korman movie that we have covered on a previous episode

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<v Speaker 4>of Weird House Cinema. It was, I believe, the b

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<v Speaker 4>side to Attack of the Crab Monsters. So if in

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<v Speaker 4>fifty seven you went out to a drive in theater

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<v Speaker 4>to watch a sci fi double feature, you may well

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<v Speaker 4>have seen Attack of the Crab Monsters and then Not

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<v Speaker 4>of This Earth with this guy what was his name again,

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<v Speaker 4>William Roick?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, William Roorick.

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<v Speaker 4>He was the doctor in the movie. I think, not

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<v Speaker 4>to be mean, I think we did not draw a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of attention to his performance in the movie, because

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<v Speaker 4>there's not much to say about it except his character.

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<v Speaker 4>If you recall, he played doctor Rochelle, who was the

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<v Speaker 4>blood clinic doctor who gets hypnotized by the alien so

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<v Speaker 4>that he's unable to talk about the alien's blood condition.

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<v Speaker 4>So other characters, you know, they'd be sitting at a

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<v Speaker 4>table in a restaurant and the other characters would be like,

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<v Speaker 4>don't you think it's strange that that man had alien blood?

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<v Speaker 4>And Doctor Rochelle would be like, you guys, want to

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<v Speaker 4>get some appetizers.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I wasn't the most memorable of roles. But Rorick

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<v Speaker 2>was in a number of interesting films, though several of

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<v Speaker 2>which I've seen. He was in God Told Me To

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<v Speaker 2>This was the with the Larry Cohen film about alien Messiah's.

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<v Speaker 2>He was in Day of the Dolphin. He was in

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<v Speaker 2>The Wasp Woman. And he was a friend. This is

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<v Speaker 2>interesting biographically. He was a friend of author I m

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<v Speaker 2>Forrester and Coley and Rorick, apparently they call it. They

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<v Speaker 2>would like, you know, entertain him when he was in town,

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of thing. They'd go out and see shows

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff. But yeah, that's the connect they're all connected

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<v Speaker 2>here to Cooley. Coley is the one in this film,

0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:54.080
<v Speaker 2>not Rorick, but the two of them apparently collaborated on

0:23:54.160 --> 0:23:56.640
<v Speaker 2>various projects over the course of their careers and lives together.

0:23:57.040 --> 0:24:00.640
<v Speaker 4>Coley plays the the like sort of lead of interest

0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:04.040
<v Speaker 4>in the movie. He's the only character who's hunky enough

0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:06.960
<v Speaker 4>to potentially end up falling in love with the one

0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:10.000
<v Speaker 4>female character, so you kind of know what's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a very g golly role. And again, this

0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:16.439
<v Speaker 2>was his first screen role to boot, so the results

0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:19.440
<v Speaker 2>are very wooden. There's just not much to this part here,

0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:22.000
<v Speaker 2>but that still seems like you had an interesting life

0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:25.760
<v Speaker 2>and career. All right, let's talk about what the sole

0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:29.680
<v Speaker 2>female character in this film. The character is doctor Mary Robinson.

0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:33.000
<v Speaker 2>The actor is Janie Logan. She was born in nineteen

0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:35.760
<v Speaker 2>fifteen died in nineteen sixty five. She only appeared in

0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:39.520
<v Speaker 2>six films, and this was her third. But here here's

0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:42.560
<v Speaker 2>again a nice connection to the previous episode of Weird

0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:46.280
<v Speaker 2>House Cinema. Her last two film roles were both Mexican

0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:49.080
<v Speaker 2>films directed by Renee Cardona.

0:24:49.560 --> 0:24:52.040
<v Speaker 4>The director of Santo in the Treasure of Dracula.

0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Exactly yes, a major name in Mexican cinema, so both

0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:01.040
<v Speaker 2>were of these films were from nineteen forty four. One

0:25:01.400 --> 0:25:03.520
<v Speaker 2>the translated name is The Black Ace and the other

0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:07.359
<v Speaker 2>is Summer Hotel, and I was looking this up. The

0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Black Ace also featured a Dutch occultist and magician named

0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:16.199
<v Speaker 2>David Tobias Bamberg who built himself as Fu Manchu and

0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Bamberg also co wrote it. But yeah, which I don't know.

0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:23.200
<v Speaker 2>It sounds like he was sort of an occult star

0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:26.159
<v Speaker 2>or would be star of the day, and so he

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<v Speaker 2>just I guess he wound up in Mexico City and

0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:29.840
<v Speaker 2>was like, hey, let's do a movie.

0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:31.439
<v Speaker 3>Anyway.

0:25:31.520 --> 0:25:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Logan is also rather wooden in this role, but it's

0:25:35.200 --> 0:25:36.760
<v Speaker 2>not like the film gives her much to do other

0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:39.080
<v Speaker 2>than scurry around and try not to be grabbed by

0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:42.399
<v Speaker 2>giant hands or eaten by giant cats. Then we have

0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:45.400
<v Speaker 2>the character of doctor Bullfinch played by Charles Halton who

0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 2>lived eighteen seventy six through nineteen fifty nine, actor of

0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:50.960
<v Speaker 2>stage in film. I would say he has a little

0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:53.680
<v Speaker 2>more to do in this. He's actually pretty funny because

0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:57.080
<v Speaker 2>he's this stuck up professor through and through even after

0:25:57.119 --> 0:26:00.000
<v Speaker 2>he's been reduced to a tiny human wearing a handkerchief toe.

0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:03.240
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. He refuses a lot of things in the movie,

0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:05.960
<v Speaker 4>Like he's constantly being told to do things and saying like.

0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:11.760
<v Speaker 2>I refuse yes on scientific grounds, Doctor Thalkel. I absolutely, yeah,

0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:12.360
<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing.

0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:14.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's see.

0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:18.800
<v Speaker 2>Then we have the character of Steve Baker, played by

0:26:18.960 --> 0:26:22.200
<v Speaker 2>Victor Achillian who lived eighteen ninety one through nineteen seventy nine.

0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:24.639
<v Speaker 2>He was in films like Only Angels Have Wings and

0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:28.160
<v Speaker 2>the ox Bow Incident. He wound up blacklisted from Hollywood,

0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:31.359
<v Speaker 2>presumably for political beliefs, but he ended up doing a

0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:33.959
<v Speaker 2>lot of TV and stage work instead after that. And

0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:36.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean he's all right in this He's also it's

0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:39.000
<v Speaker 2>a very typical type of performance and role for this

0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:39.760
<v Speaker 2>time period.

0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:43.000
<v Speaker 4>He's the mule guy. He's all about the mules.

0:26:43.280 --> 0:26:47.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right. Next, we have an actor by the

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:51.919
<v Speaker 2>name of Frank Jacanelli who plays the character Pedro.

0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:53.399
<v Speaker 3>So.

0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:56.480
<v Speaker 2>This guy lived eighteen ninety eight through nineteen sixty five.

0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:56.920
<v Speaker 3>He was an.

0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Italian born World War One vat who became a natralized

0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:03.479
<v Speaker 2>US citizen, and he was a vaudeville performer later a

0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:07.719
<v Speaker 2>USO tour manager. He played a lot of Italian characters,

0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:10.480
<v Speaker 2>as one might admit, but he also expect rather but

0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:13.800
<v Speaker 2>he also seemed to have a lot of roles in

0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:18.320
<v Speaker 2>films playing stereotypical Mexican characters, And in this film he

0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:21.919
<v Speaker 2>plays Pedro, which is very much a goofy stereotype character.

0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:24.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they don't say what nationality Pedro is supposed to be,

0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:27.840
<v Speaker 4>but he is playing a Latin American character, Pedro, who,

0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:30.440
<v Speaker 4>at least definitely in the first half of the movie

0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:33.760
<v Speaker 4>movie is the butt of some jokes yeah about like

0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:36.399
<v Speaker 4>trying to find his lost horse, which has actually been

0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:37.640
<v Speaker 4>shrunken with a shrink ray.

0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:41.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you know, this was a you know, a

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:46.280
<v Speaker 2>casting situation that definitely made me sigh a bit. But

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:49.479
<v Speaker 2>if you want to know more about Jack and Ellie,

0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:53.639
<v Speaker 2>I did find a page on Bewesterns dot com like

0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 2>bee Hyphenwesterns dot com that that has like seems to

0:27:57.119 --> 0:27:59.440
<v Speaker 2>be the only place I could find online. Like you

0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:02.159
<v Speaker 2>can only much of a biography of him on IMDb,

0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:04.439
<v Speaker 2>but this site gets a little more into like his

0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:07.000
<v Speaker 2>what kind of audeville acts he was involved in, and

0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:09.239
<v Speaker 2>he did seem to kind of make a career in

0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:13.840
<v Speaker 2>places out of playing a Mexican stereotype, and certainly that's

0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:16.600
<v Speaker 2>what more or less he's doing in this film. Now,

0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:22.320
<v Speaker 2>another interesting character that is involved in this film ultimately uncredited,

0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 2>but there's a guy by the name of Charles Gemora

0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:28.320
<v Speaker 2>who lived nineteen oh three through nineteen sixty one, and

0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:32.000
<v Speaker 2>he's an uncredited makeup artist on this film. Were you

0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:34.440
<v Speaker 2>familiar with this guy before, Joe.

0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 4>Well, I guess by his work, but not by name.

0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So he was born in the Philippines. He was

0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 2>a Hollywood makeup artist who became known as the King

0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:46.400
<v Speaker 2>of the Gorilla Men. And it's interesting how this came

0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:49.040
<v Speaker 2>to be, Like, apparently he's a guy who would he

0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:51.600
<v Speaker 2>would hang around outside the studio and he would he

0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:54.000
<v Speaker 2>would offer to paint for you or draw for you,

0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:56.720
<v Speaker 2>like he had sort of an innate and I'm guessing

0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:59.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of like self taught artistic ability. And of course

0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 2>people eventually notice this and they're like, Oh, bring this

0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:03.880
<v Speaker 2>guy in, we got some stuff to paint. Let's get

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:07.080
<v Speaker 2>him going. And I guess he was up for anything.

0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:10.240
<v Speaker 2>And at one point in one of these films they

0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:13.000
<v Speaker 2>busted out a gorilla suit and he's like Hey, that

0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 2>should be me. I'm the right just the right height.

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:19.120
<v Speaker 2>I've got the physicality to carry this heavy suit. Let

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:21.960
<v Speaker 2>me get in there. And so that's what he did.

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:23.960
<v Speaker 2>And aside to doing a lot of he did a

0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:26.440
<v Speaker 2>lot of monster makeup in other films. But he has

0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 2>and he has sixty makeup credits on IMDb, but he

0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:33.520
<v Speaker 2>also has sixty acting credits, most of which are playing

0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:37.440
<v Speaker 2>gorillas wearing gorilla costumes. And so if I do recommend

0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:39.360
<v Speaker 2>looking him up because it's kind of amazing, Like, if

0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:42.560
<v Speaker 2>there was a gorilla costume in a film, this was

0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:45.400
<v Speaker 2>often the guy that was wearing it. In addition to

0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 2>some you know, aliens here and there, he definitely did

0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:51.560
<v Speaker 2>some alien costumes and other kind of like humanoid monster costumes,

0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:53.800
<v Speaker 2>but his specialty was the gorilla costume.

0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:56.000
<v Speaker 4>Oh and I see what do you know? He's in

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 4>at least one adaptation of The Murders in the Room Morgue.

0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. In addition to being an actor and an artist,

0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:05.320
<v Speaker 2>he was also an inventor and he held actually held

0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 2>a couple of patents, including a I would look these

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:11.280
<v Speaker 2>up on Google scholar, a sanitary pad holder, and a

0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:12.240
<v Speaker 2>tissue dispenser.

0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:12.920
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:17.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so interesting fella. Now again he was just a

0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:19.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, makeup guy in this The two main special

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:25.160
<v Speaker 2>effects names were of Farcio Edward and Gordon Jennings. These

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:27.960
<v Speaker 2>were the two that were nominated for an Oscar for

0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:31.720
<v Speaker 2>the special effects in this film for the thirteenth Academy Awards.

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:35.040
<v Speaker 2>Now they ultimately lost to the Thief of Baghdad. But

0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:39.760
<v Speaker 2>these are some impressive special effects. Like we said, they're

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:43.080
<v Speaker 2>impressive for their time. It's not the first time that

0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:47.200
<v Speaker 2>we see miniaturized humans or giant animals in a film.

0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Certainly Todd Browning's nineteen thirty six film The Devil Doll

0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:54.800
<v Speaker 2>predates it, but this film makes some impressive use of

0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:58.280
<v Speaker 2>supersized sets, giant hands, creative combinations of footage.

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:01.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the special effects in this film are really top notch.

0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:03.560
<v Speaker 4>I was trying to think of earlier examples of really

0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:07.720
<v Speaker 4>good looking special effects for miniaturized humans, and I recall

0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:09.680
<v Speaker 4>the main example I could think of. There are the

0:31:09.880 --> 0:31:13.840
<v Speaker 4>excellent shrunken human effects in Bride of Frankenstein. Oh Yes,

0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:18.080
<v Speaker 4>by James Whale, which was released in nineteen thirty five. Now,

0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:20.600
<v Speaker 4>you might remember in that movie when we first meet,

0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:23.719
<v Speaker 4>you could argue the villain of the film. Doctor Septimus

0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:28.320
<v Speaker 4>Pretorius also just one of my favorite mad scientists in movies,

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:32.640
<v Speaker 4>Doctor Thorkel and doctor Septimus Pretorious. They're really up there

0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:34.880
<v Speaker 4>in the canons of mad science in the first few

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 4>decades of studio motion pictures.

0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:42.680
<v Speaker 2>I love doctor Pretorius because in the Frankenstein film Brida Frankenstein,

0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 2>he's such a mad science enabler.

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:45.240
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:47.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Frankenstein is like, I can't do it anymore. I'm

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:50.200
<v Speaker 2>emotionally rotted from that last film, and he's like, no, no,

0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 2>we've got to get you back in there. We've got

0:31:52.080 --> 0:31:53.600
<v Speaker 2>to get you back in there. You can do it.

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:54.880
<v Speaker 3>Let's do some evil.

0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:59.160
<v Speaker 4>There's also a great part in right of Frankenstein where

0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:02.600
<v Speaker 4>we see doctor doctor Pretorious just going down into a

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:05.880
<v Speaker 4>crypt just to have like a midnight snack. Like he

0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:09.080
<v Speaker 4>goes down into a crypt at night for a picnic.

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:11.840
<v Speaker 4>He lays out a spread with like food and wine

0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 4>and stuff on a big tombstone. It's wonderful.

0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:16.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh man, I forgot about that part.

0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:19.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but I think it's like, right when we first

0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:22.320
<v Speaker 4>meet doctor Pretorius in the movie, I think, what is it,

0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:25.240
<v Speaker 4>who is it who's playing doctor Frankenstein in the movie.

0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:26.720
<v Speaker 4>Is it Colin Clive, Yes.

0:32:26.520 --> 0:32:27.440
<v Speaker 3>That's Cly.

0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:30.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. So he's meeting with Colin Clive and he's like

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:34.280
<v Speaker 4>showing off his latest work, which are these jars of

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:38.480
<v Speaker 4>homemade homunculi. So he's got like tiny humans in jars,

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:41.440
<v Speaker 4>and I think he has like a tiny king in

0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:45.080
<v Speaker 4>one glass vial, and a tiny queen and another. I

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:48.480
<v Speaker 4>don't really recall the special effect relating to the plot much.

0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 4>Maybe I'm forgetting how it connects, but it no.

0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:53.400
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't really. It's just like, look at what I

0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:56.920
<v Speaker 2>can do. Yeah, I'm pretty great. You're you're great. Let's

0:32:56.960 --> 0:33:00.400
<v Speaker 2>work together and you will do great mad science things.

0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:00.680
<v Speaker 3>Well.

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:02.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it seems like one of those things that I

0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:07.360
<v Speaker 4>suspect often happened in early special effects driven movies like this,

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:10.720
<v Speaker 4>which is that somebody had figured out how to do

0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:13.680
<v Speaker 4>a certain kind of effect in a way that looked good,

0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:16.000
<v Speaker 4>so you just find a way to work it into

0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:17.800
<v Speaker 4>the movie. It's like, well, we can do it, why

0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:22.920
<v Speaker 4>not do it? So let's get a homunculus in this movie. Yeah,

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:25.320
<v Speaker 4>And I didn't look deep into it. But as a

0:33:25.320 --> 0:33:28.080
<v Speaker 4>side note, I think those homunculous effects in Bride of

0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:32.640
<v Speaker 4>Frankenstein were done by John Fulton and David Horseley, and

0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:36.440
<v Speaker 4>that was it was done by like combining different different shots,

0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:38.200
<v Speaker 4>so you'd have a you know, a shot of people

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:41.640
<v Speaker 4>inside full sized glass jars with a certain kind of background,

0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:45.080
<v Speaker 4>and then that was matted over the full shot, you know,

0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:49.520
<v Speaker 4>at normal distance, with the actors looking huge in comparison.

0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:01.400
<v Speaker 2>All right, well, let's get into the plot of Doctor Cyclops.

0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:04.720
<v Speaker 4>Okay, here's the full plot breakdown. You know, we always

0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:07.760
<v Speaker 4>have to comment on the opening credits, and this movie

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 4>also has excellent opening credits. Like a lot of the

0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:16.000
<v Speaker 4>weird older movies we have watched, I feel like opening

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 4>credits used to be really cool for weird sci fi movies,

0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:23.320
<v Speaker 4>and then they got kind of whatever, you know, it

0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:26.360
<v Speaker 4>just be some like words on the starfield background for

0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:29.080
<v Speaker 4>a few decades, and then they just started doing away

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:30.400
<v Speaker 4>with opening credits altogether.

0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:33.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but for a while, certainly in this age, it

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 2>feels like the opening credits were treated like the poster,

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:39.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, as if you might be walking by the

0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:42.480
<v Speaker 2>projection screen and deciding whether you're going to stop and

0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:44.600
<v Speaker 2>finish watching. I mean, that's the ultimate weird I guess

0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:47.360
<v Speaker 2>you get in the audience revd up. But it's like

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:49.719
<v Speaker 2>they've already paid their money, they're already in the seat,

0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:52.439
<v Speaker 2>They're they're clearly they're not going to walk out yet,

0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:55.799
<v Speaker 2>but I guess it's about just preparing them for what's

0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 2>to come.

0:34:56.680 --> 0:34:59.719
<v Speaker 4>Well, there's actually a kind of visual continuity from the

0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:02.480
<v Speaker 4>open credits to the opening scene in this movie, because

0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:05.640
<v Speaker 4>you've got While the credits are rolling, there is this

0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:09.799
<v Speaker 4>flickering light effect that creates a kind of auroral unease

0:35:10.360 --> 0:35:12.719
<v Speaker 4>that is then replicated again once you get to the

0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:16.800
<v Speaker 4>opening scene. It's like the same shimmering flickering light effect

0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:20.640
<v Speaker 4>carries over into the scene of a bald man in

0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:24.440
<v Speaker 4>welding goggles who is leaning over a table examining a

0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:28.040
<v Speaker 4>fluorescent green tube in a room lit by this shimmering

0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:32.239
<v Speaker 4>green light. And of course this is doctor Thorkel, and

0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:35.759
<v Speaker 4>the movie gets right to it because his colleague Mendoza

0:35:35.960 --> 0:35:38.440
<v Speaker 4>enters the room, and of course, I my brain every

0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:41.320
<v Speaker 4>time somebody said Mendoza, my brain kept going to the Simpsons.

0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:46.040
<v Speaker 4>But his colleague Mendoza enters the room and he says

0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:49.000
<v Speaker 4>to doctor Thorkel, how much longer will you struggle before

0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:52.280
<v Speaker 4>you realize you can't do it, and thor Kel says,

0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 4>no longer, my dear Mendoza, because I have done it.

0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:59.359
<v Speaker 4>Look for yourself. So, you know, they examine what it

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:01.920
<v Speaker 4>is that thor Keeke has been looking at, and Mendoza

0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:05.920
<v Speaker 4>is aghast. He has shaken. Thorkel says, there should be

0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:08.799
<v Speaker 4>sufficient radium to tear it to shreds, and yet it's

0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:11.800
<v Speaker 4>still alive. And we don't know what they're talking about.

0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:15.839
<v Speaker 4>But Mendoza is horrified. He's terrified of the power of

0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:18.759
<v Speaker 4>whatever they've discovered. And he says, he starts saying like,

0:36:18.800 --> 0:36:21.680
<v Speaker 4>you must destroy your slides, you must burn your notes.

0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:28.200
<v Speaker 4>And then we get some classic backstory through utterly implausible dialogue,

0:36:28.239 --> 0:36:30.839
<v Speaker 4>you know, and somebody says something to another character that

0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:33.279
<v Speaker 4>that person would have no occasion to say to them,

0:36:33.920 --> 0:36:37.480
<v Speaker 4>just obviously for the benefit of the audience. So Mendoza says,

0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:41.520
<v Speaker 4>when I discovered this gigantic radium deposit, I first thought

0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:45.799
<v Speaker 4>of you, doctor Thorkel, my teacher of doctor Thorkel, the

0:36:45.880 --> 0:36:49.239
<v Speaker 4>great biologist. I sent for you to counsel me. I

0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:52.799
<v Speaker 4>began to imagine here in the jungle, the Thorkel Institute,

0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:56.040
<v Speaker 4>a palace of healing to which all might come, and

0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:58.719
<v Speaker 4>it was very much like Grandpa Seth has been dead

0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:01.359
<v Speaker 4>for three weeks now. It's been hard on all of us,

0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:02.920
<v Speaker 4>including me his daughter.

0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:06.480
<v Speaker 2>That is correct Joe, my podcast partner who has podcasted

0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:07.439
<v Speaker 2>with me for many years.

0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:13.960
<v Speaker 4>At this point, but Thorkel is immediately dismissive of Mendoza's concerns.

0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:16.560
<v Speaker 4>He's like, you know, bah, we now have the very

0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:19.920
<v Speaker 4>cosmic force of creation itself. We can shape life like clay.

0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:24.800
<v Speaker 4>And then Mendoza again with the classic sci fi movie line.

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:28.320
<v Speaker 4>He says, you are tampering with powers reserved to God,

0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:32.239
<v Speaker 4>which is almost verbatim the last line of Bride the

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:34.359
<v Speaker 4>Monster by Ed Wood. You remember that.

0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:35.960
<v Speaker 3>Part, Yeah, yeah, I think so.

0:37:36.120 --> 0:37:40.759
<v Speaker 4>The movie with Bella Legosi and Tor Johnson. And at

0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:44.239
<v Speaker 4>the end of the movie, Bella's mansion explodes. I don't

0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:48.200
<v Speaker 4>remember why. There's a giant octopus attack and the mansion explodes,

0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 4>and then a guy just kind of soberly looks at

0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:54.040
<v Speaker 4>the camera and says he tampered in God's domain.

0:37:56.120 --> 0:37:58.320
<v Speaker 2>So Mendoza is like, we shouldn't tamper in God's domain.

0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:01.479
<v Speaker 2>But doctor Thorkel was like, yeah, that's what we're doing

0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:02.720
<v Speaker 2>and we're gonna do it.

0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:06.400
<v Speaker 4>He literally says. He says, like you're tampering with powers

0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:08.760
<v Speaker 4>were served to God. And Thorkel says, that is good,

0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:13.000
<v Speaker 4>that is just what I am doing. And so Mendoza

0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:15.919
<v Speaker 4>tries to forbid it, but Thorkel he's tasted the God

0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:18.480
<v Speaker 4>power now and there's no going back. So it is

0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:22.000
<v Speaker 4>time to murder. And the Mendoza murder is a very

0:38:22.080 --> 0:38:26.759
<v Speaker 4>cool scene. I thought. Thorkel shoves Mendoza's head through this

0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:30.319
<v Speaker 4>radioactive green tube he's been looking at, and then there's

0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:35.040
<v Speaker 4>a photographic effect where Mendoza's face is just gradually layered

0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:36.760
<v Speaker 4>over by skull paint.

0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 3>I like that.

0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:41.280
<v Speaker 2>It's a weird scene. Apparently this one was removed from

0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:44.520
<v Speaker 2>some TV airings of the film, so I don't know

0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:46.279
<v Speaker 2>if they found it, like maybe it was for time

0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:49.080
<v Speaker 2>or it was just considered too graphic. There is a

0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:52.560
<v Speaker 2>like a severity to it, like it firmly establishes doctor

0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Thorkel as a guy who will murder for you know,

0:38:57.680 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 2>for for his science. And we'll really not think it's

0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:02.680
<v Speaker 2>not like there was a struggle or some sort of accidents.

0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:05.480
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't one of those situations where oh, I've stumbled

0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:07.920
<v Speaker 2>into murder and now this is who I am. He's like,

0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:10.239
<v Speaker 2>got to kill you now, and he does it right.

0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:13.200
<v Speaker 4>So next we cut to some guys in a fancy

0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:15.880
<v Speaker 4>study and it's a room that sort of reminds me

0:39:15.920 --> 0:39:19.160
<v Speaker 4>of M's office in the Sean Connery James Bond movies.

0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:22.399
<v Speaker 4>But weirdly, despite what you might assume about the sort

0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:26.239
<v Speaker 4>of pipe tobacco drabness of such an environment, the first

0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:29.680
<v Speaker 4>thing I couldn't ignore was how much the colors drip

0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:32.800
<v Speaker 4>just in this scene in a study. Because the opening

0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:36.600
<v Speaker 4>scene is very much shimmering green and black. It's actually

0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:39.360
<v Speaker 4>sort of closer to the look of the two color

0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:42.400
<v Speaker 4>Technicolor range in Doctor X, which we watched for a

0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:45.359
<v Speaker 4>previous episode. Remember how that whole movie was very had

0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:48.840
<v Speaker 4>a kind of diseased green and orange palette without the

0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:52.239
<v Speaker 4>full range of a full color Technicolor. This has all

0:39:52.320 --> 0:39:54.839
<v Speaker 4>the colors. Now now that we're in the office, and

0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:57.960
<v Speaker 4>the greens, the reds, blue, and orange, the color is

0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:02.920
<v Speaker 4>almost violent and it is really beautiful, Pops. But anyway,

0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:05.880
<v Speaker 4>so we're in the study now and these two stuffy

0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:10.319
<v Speaker 4>old guys are discussing attempts by Thorkel to recruit them

0:40:10.360 --> 0:40:14.080
<v Speaker 4>by mail for research at his remote institute in the Amazon.

0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:16.040
<v Speaker 4>I think it's supposed to be in Peru. And this

0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 4>is doctor Bullfinch we're meeting. He's one of these two

0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:21.759
<v Speaker 4>guys here and they're discussing the pros and cons of

0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:25.920
<v Speaker 4>joining doctor Thorkel's jungle institute. Pros are that he is

0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:28.960
<v Speaker 4>the greatest living biologist, so be good to work with him.

0:40:29.360 --> 0:40:33.480
<v Speaker 4>Cons are at he's a strange man, secretive about his experiments.

0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:37.000
<v Speaker 4>You already get the impression that these guys suspect he

0:40:37.040 --> 0:40:41.640
<v Speaker 4>may kill them. And I love the strong vibe from

0:40:41.680 --> 0:40:43.600
<v Speaker 4>the very beginning that this is going to be like

0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:46.920
<v Speaker 4>the fire Festival of scientific research. It's just like lure

0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:50.160
<v Speaker 4>everybody to a remote location and then just watch it

0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:51.000
<v Speaker 4>all go to hell.

0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:51.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's pretty obvious where this is, at least in general,

0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:57.440
<v Speaker 2>where this is going, like mad scientist is up to

0:40:57.480 --> 0:40:59.960
<v Speaker 2>bad stuff in the middle of nowhere, where where they're

0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:02.839
<v Speaker 2>there is no law but his own. Let's go, let's

0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:04.440
<v Speaker 2>go hang out with him and see what happens.

0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:07.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and then there's a sort of recruiting montage.

0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:10.480
<v Speaker 2>These scenes are they're brief there's not much to them. Yeah,

0:41:10.560 --> 0:41:14.200
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of like, hey, if you paid your hotel bill, no, well,

0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:16.399
<v Speaker 2>better join up with us then, right.

0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:18.560
<v Speaker 4>So we get doctor Bullfinch, and then we get doctor

0:41:18.600 --> 0:41:21.839
<v Speaker 4>Mary Robinson, who's writing a letter saying she's joining the team.

0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:26.520
<v Speaker 4>I think letter, yeah, I think the letter says something

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:32.239
<v Speaker 4>like should should be no problem or something. And then

0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:35.279
<v Speaker 4>we see the recruitment of a good for nothing, deadbeat

0:41:35.360 --> 0:41:39.520
<v Speaker 4>geologist named doctor Bill Stockton. This is the guy played

0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:42.200
<v Speaker 4>by Thomas Coley, and he has pulled in on the

0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:46.239
<v Speaker 4>promise of having his mini IOUs remitted. So when we

0:41:46.320 --> 0:41:50.040
<v Speaker 4>meet him, he's lounging in a patio recliner. And I

0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:52.480
<v Speaker 4>don't know if you noticed this. Did you notice that

0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:54.720
<v Speaker 4>there are just in at least one of these shots,

0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:58.080
<v Speaker 4>there are bugs crawling all over his lap.

0:41:58.600 --> 0:41:59.799
<v Speaker 3>No? I did not notice that.

0:42:00.280 --> 0:42:02.839
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's easy to miss. It goes by pretty quick,

0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:04.520
<v Speaker 4>and I don't think it's supposed to be like that.

0:42:04.600 --> 0:42:06.399
<v Speaker 4>I think it's just something that happened to get caught

0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:08.480
<v Speaker 4>by the camera. But in one of the shots there

0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:12.480
<v Speaker 4>are at least three flies simultaneously, a couple around his

0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:15.320
<v Speaker 4>belt buckle. Ones kind of to the side of his crotch,

0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:17.920
<v Speaker 4>and it makes me wonder, like, what did he spill

0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:21.000
<v Speaker 4>sugar water and his lap or something in an earlier take.

0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:23.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I mean, is he shirtless in the scene?

0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:25.840
<v Speaker 4>No? No, no, no, he's got a shirt on.

0:42:25.920 --> 0:42:27.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, I was thinking maybe they oiled him up

0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:30.719
<v Speaker 2>a bit, you know. Okay, but who knows.

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:34.399
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, So they're recruiting him because I think there

0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:37.799
<v Speaker 4>was supposed to be another mineralogist or geologist and that

0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:40.200
<v Speaker 4>person fell through. So now they're trying to get the

0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:42.920
<v Speaker 4>deadbeat guy. But he's a handsome dead beat. And then

0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:46.000
<v Speaker 4>finally they're out in the field in Peru and Bullfinch,

0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:51.440
<v Speaker 4>Robinson and Stockton recruit a minor slash mule wrangler named

0:42:51.440 --> 0:42:54.000
<v Speaker 4>Steve who has a lot of mule thoughts and he

0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:57.200
<v Speaker 4>wants to get rich. And there's a mule hagling scene

0:42:57.239 --> 0:42:59.880
<v Speaker 4>between Bullfinch and Steve, which is pretty funny. Steve's like,

0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:02.320
<v Speaker 4>you can't have the mules. I need him for something,

0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:05.440
<v Speaker 4>and then all these eggheads are like, but doctor Thorkel

0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:09.600
<v Speaker 4>is the greatest living authority on organic molecular structure, and

0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:12.279
<v Speaker 4>the muleman is not very impressed, but eventually they get

0:43:12.320 --> 0:43:15.880
<v Speaker 4>him to go along by promising him riches and saying

0:43:15.920 --> 0:43:18.600
<v Speaker 4>that he can come with them to I guess make

0:43:18.640 --> 0:43:19.840
<v Speaker 4>sure the mules are okay.

0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it doesn't make tremendous amount of sense, but okay,

0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:25.120
<v Speaker 2>he's coming.

0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:27.839
<v Speaker 4>Along, right, So they journey through the jungle. They arrive

0:43:27.880 --> 0:43:32.720
<v Speaker 4>at doctor Thorkell's compound. Thorkell's assistant Pedro, comes to inform

0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:37.279
<v Speaker 4>him that they've arrived, and when Thorkell is interrupted, I

0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:40.520
<v Speaker 4>just want to say he's wearing an awesome helmet slash suit.

0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:43.440
<v Speaker 4>Rabbi attached to a picture I found of the helmet

0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:46.440
<v Speaker 4>for you to look at. Here is it's just like

0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:49.080
<v Speaker 4>it's just like a can, just like a straight up

0:43:49.239 --> 0:43:53.640
<v Speaker 4>thick can with two eye holes surrounded by glass and

0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:56.719
<v Speaker 4>then the kind of rounded top. It's not very elaborate,

0:43:56.760 --> 0:43:57.720
<v Speaker 4>but it looks great.

0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:00.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it looks kind of I mean, finds me a

0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:03.880
<v Speaker 2>lot of some of the stock rocketmen and robot costumes

0:44:03.920 --> 0:44:06.239
<v Speaker 2>of the of the day. You know, it looks a

0:44:06.280 --> 0:44:08.000
<v Speaker 2>little bit like a medieval night as well.

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:10.520
<v Speaker 4>Oh, it's kind of the night guarding the bridge and

0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:14.200
<v Speaker 4>Monty Python and the Holy Grail and so they get

0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:17.120
<v Speaker 4>there and they all meet doctor Thorkel, and doctor Thorkel

0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:20.160
<v Speaker 4>is a creep from the first minute. They do not

0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:23.319
<v Speaker 4>like ease into it. He's got the unholy combo of

0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:27.240
<v Speaker 4>a huge head with tiny glasses, and he's he's huge

0:44:27.280 --> 0:44:30.880
<v Speaker 4>in general. But it's just this like large bulky bald

0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:33.880
<v Speaker 4>man grabbing people by the arm and moving them around

0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:36.560
<v Speaker 4>and saying like, I'm so glad you've come. He might

0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:39.120
<v Speaker 4>as well be saying, you know what lovely cells you're

0:44:39.160 --> 0:44:42.320
<v Speaker 4>made out of. And so we find out the doctor

0:44:42.360 --> 0:44:46.080
<v Speaker 4>Thorkel sent for the assistance of the other scientists because

0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:49.120
<v Speaker 4>of damage to his eyes. The damage to his eyes

0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:52.880
<v Speaker 4>no longer allows him to use the microscope. But I

0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:55.880
<v Speaker 4>was wondering, wait a minute, then, if that's the only problem,

0:44:55.960 --> 0:44:58.960
<v Speaker 4>why did he send for three different scientists. Then it

0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:02.560
<v Speaker 4>almost seems like the imply is that doctor Thorkell thinks

0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:05.040
<v Speaker 4>that if he had fully functioning eyes, he would be

0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:06.880
<v Speaker 4>worth four scientists put together.

0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:11.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that makes sense, or you know, or maybe it's

0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:15.160
<v Speaker 2>it's he doesn't expect all of them to live that long.

0:45:15.239 --> 0:45:17.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, he needs multiple sets of spare eyes.

0:45:18.440 --> 0:45:20.880
<v Speaker 4>Well, this is weird because so here's a question I

0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:24.040
<v Speaker 4>have he is a creep from the beginning, but the

0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:26.719
<v Speaker 4>movie does not suggest that he planned to kill them

0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:29.640
<v Speaker 4>all along. Like the fact that he kills them does

0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:33.480
<v Speaker 4>genuinely seem to be an unexpected development for him. He

0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:36.520
<v Speaker 4>kills them because they discover his secrets.

0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:40.360
<v Speaker 2>Basically, Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess he what he

0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:42.400
<v Speaker 2>I think has revealed that he he sort of needed

0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:47.640
<v Speaker 2>a mineralist, a mineral specialist to weigh in on some

0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:51.040
<v Speaker 2>of his work. He needed somebody with a biology background.

0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:54.200
<v Speaker 2>But I don't know about the professor, did he. I

0:45:54.200 --> 0:45:56.960
<v Speaker 2>mean just sort of brought him into the boast to

0:45:57.080 --> 0:46:00.239
<v Speaker 2>him about like maybe part of it is like ultimately

0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:03.560
<v Speaker 2>he needs an audience, like he's he's doing amazing thing.

0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:07.040
<v Speaker 2>So yes, I need I need a basically a team

0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:09.160
<v Speaker 2>of judges to come here and tell me how great

0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:09.480
<v Speaker 2>I am.

0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:11.920
<v Speaker 4>I think we're sort of rewriting the script as we go,

0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:14.360
<v Speaker 4>But that's I think you're onto something there that that

0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:17.400
<v Speaker 4>is part of it. Like he as a megalomaniac, he

0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:19.640
<v Speaker 4>needs people to witness his greatness.

0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So that's one of the downsides to working out

0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:25.640
<v Speaker 2>in the jungle, is that in the jungie, is you

0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:29.319
<v Speaker 2>occasionally have to bring people in to recognize your greatness.

0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:31.840
<v Speaker 4>Right, And so they're there and they recognize his greatness,

0:46:31.840 --> 0:46:34.200
<v Speaker 4>but he wants them to get right to work. So

0:46:34.280 --> 0:46:36.319
<v Speaker 4>he has them look at some stuff in a microscope

0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:40.520
<v Speaker 4>and Stockton, the deadbeat hunk, he sees some iron crystals

0:46:40.600 --> 0:46:43.400
<v Speaker 4>under the microscope. This is like minutes after they've arrived,

0:46:43.920 --> 0:46:47.080
<v Speaker 4>and he says, yes, it's iron crystals in the microscope.

0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:50.600
<v Speaker 4>And doctor Thorkel is like, ah, eureka, okay, that's it. Well,

0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:55.240
<v Speaker 4>I'm done with you guys now. But Bullfinch, which is funny,

0:46:55.239 --> 0:46:58.839
<v Speaker 4>I mean very funny, Bullfinch is mad. He immediately gets

0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:01.719
<v Speaker 4>super indignant, starts yelling and he's like, you can't do

0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:06.359
<v Speaker 4>this to us. At one point, Bullfinch is like are

0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:08.960
<v Speaker 4>you Are you intimating that you brought us here just

0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:12.000
<v Speaker 4>for five minutes of work, and Thorkel is like, I

0:47:12.040 --> 0:47:16.640
<v Speaker 4>am not intimating. I am merely stating a fact. Which

0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:19.520
<v Speaker 4>that's man. That's one of my favorite types of statements

0:47:19.520 --> 0:47:22.520
<v Speaker 4>in English, the like I'm merely stating a fact, like

0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:25.759
<v Speaker 4>that wasn't a threat, it was a promise. I'm not

0:47:25.800 --> 0:47:29.719
<v Speaker 4>suggesting anything. I'm merely stating a fact. I wonder when

0:47:29.840 --> 0:47:31.080
<v Speaker 4>was the first instance of that.

0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:32.600
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:47:33.480 --> 0:47:36.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this seems like at least an early variation on

0:47:36.760 --> 0:47:37.120
<v Speaker 2>the theme.

0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:40.279
<v Speaker 4>But anyway, Bullfinch and Robinson they are mad and they

0:47:40.280 --> 0:47:42.840
<v Speaker 4>want to know what it is that Thork is working

0:47:42.880 --> 0:47:46.680
<v Speaker 4>on before they leave. Steve the mule guy, he thinks

0:47:46.680 --> 0:47:48.840
<v Speaker 4>he knows. He thinks the answer is that there is

0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:52.920
<v Speaker 4>a mind full of precious ore somewhere around here. Stockton

0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:55.080
<v Speaker 4>doesn't seem to care much. It seems like he's fine

0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:57.240
<v Speaker 4>to just like get his bill settled and then leave.

0:47:57.760 --> 0:47:59.400
<v Speaker 4>You know, all he wants to do is lay around

0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:00.560
<v Speaker 4>in a chair basically.

0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:02.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But the other two it is kind of like

0:48:02.800 --> 0:48:05.160
<v Speaker 2>they thought they thought this was going to be Thorkel

0:48:05.280 --> 0:48:05.640
<v Speaker 2>at all.

0:48:06.280 --> 0:48:07.600
<v Speaker 3>Yes, you know, they thought.

0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:10.360
<v Speaker 4>They were going to go author credit, yes exactly.

0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:13.200
<v Speaker 2>But no, there's only one author on Thorkel research, and

0:48:13.239 --> 0:48:14.320
<v Speaker 2>that's doctor Thorkel.

0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:17.040
<v Speaker 4>Now you might know more about this than me. I

0:48:17.120 --> 0:48:21.560
<v Speaker 4>was kind of curious about this movie's abundance of unflattering pants.

0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:25.480
<v Speaker 4>There are multiple characters wearing pants that have like big,

0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:29.120
<v Speaker 4>saggy butt and thigh areas that sometimes make it look

0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:31.920
<v Speaker 4>like they're wearing like a weird sort of diaper or

0:48:32.000 --> 0:48:34.600
<v Speaker 4>just sort of just have a saggy butt in the pants?

0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:38.120
<v Speaker 4>Are these some specific kind of rugged outdoor pants of

0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:42.279
<v Speaker 4>the era, like the go into the jungle pants. I

0:48:42.280 --> 0:48:43.600
<v Speaker 4>didn't know what the deal with this was.

0:48:44.200 --> 0:48:46.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I just I just thought maybe that

0:48:46.600 --> 0:48:48.000
<v Speaker 2>was the style of the day. You know, he just

0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:51.000
<v Speaker 2>wore big balloony pants. But I could be wrong. Maybe

0:48:51.480 --> 0:48:53.920
<v Speaker 2>maybe the pants experts out there can weigh in.

0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:54.400
<v Speaker 3>Well.

0:48:54.400 --> 0:48:57.359
<v Speaker 4>Anyway, Steve the mule guy goes out snooping at night

0:48:57.760 --> 0:49:00.399
<v Speaker 4>the day before Thorkel has told them they're supposed to leave.

0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:02.960
<v Speaker 4>Thorkell says, you need to leave tomorrow, and so it's

0:49:03.000 --> 0:49:05.359
<v Speaker 4>that night and Steve goes out snooping around. I think

0:49:05.400 --> 0:49:09.240
<v Speaker 4>he wants to track down the mine. So while Thorkel

0:49:09.320 --> 0:49:12.600
<v Speaker 4>is inside wearing his crazy helmet and doing science work,

0:49:13.960 --> 0:49:16.520
<v Speaker 4>Steve is snooping around this big hole in the ground

0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:19.279
<v Speaker 4>that has a giant like rigging over it and with

0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:21.720
<v Speaker 4>some kind of rope dangling something down in the hole.

0:49:22.280 --> 0:49:25.120
<v Speaker 4>And then he's almost caught by Thorkell. Thorkel comes out

0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:28.880
<v Speaker 4>and Baker hides and it is revealed that Thorkell is

0:49:28.920 --> 0:49:33.040
<v Speaker 4>operating some kind of awesome giant copper drill in the

0:49:33.120 --> 0:49:36.239
<v Speaker 4>Thorkel super deep borehole. He's like drilling down into the

0:49:36.280 --> 0:49:39.120
<v Speaker 4>earth and getting something out of the earth. I don't know.

0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:41.600
<v Speaker 4>I think maybe it's the radium samples.

0:49:42.400 --> 0:49:43.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's this.

0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:46.759
<v Speaker 2>They don't talk about it that much, but there's this

0:49:47.120 --> 0:49:53.080
<v Speaker 2>sense that he's somehow absorbing radiation out of the ground itself,

0:49:54.239 --> 0:49:59.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, by lowering this probe down into it. That's

0:49:59.280 --> 0:50:00.799
<v Speaker 2>kind of the sense I was getting from it.

0:50:01.200 --> 0:50:04.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And then we see at some point Thorkel is

0:50:04.120 --> 0:50:06.920
<v Speaker 4>alone in his lab later and it reveals that he

0:50:07.000 --> 0:50:10.239
<v Speaker 4>has created a tiny pony. This is very much like

0:50:10.280 --> 0:50:15.720
<v Speaker 4>the Septimus Pretorious images. So there is somehow they've superimposed

0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:19.520
<v Speaker 4>footage of a full sized pony kind of neighing and

0:50:19.880 --> 0:50:23.480
<v Speaker 4>clumping around, but they have matted that onto the shot

0:50:23.560 --> 0:50:26.120
<v Speaker 4>of Thorkel sitting at a table, and so it looks

0:50:26.160 --> 0:50:28.359
<v Speaker 4>like the pony is on the table and it looks great.

0:50:28.920 --> 0:50:29.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:50:29.640 --> 0:50:31.239
<v Speaker 4>But then later we check in. I guess this is

0:50:31.280 --> 0:50:35.160
<v Speaker 4>the next morning. Bullfinch is examining some pig remains that

0:50:35.239 --> 0:50:38.319
<v Speaker 4>he came across, and it claim he claims that he's

0:50:38.360 --> 0:50:40.879
<v Speaker 4>discovered a new species of pig that is only four

0:50:40.920 --> 0:50:44.239
<v Speaker 4>inches long at maturity, and Bullfinch tries to name the

0:50:44.280 --> 0:50:50.080
<v Speaker 4>species after himself, like you do, and then Thorkel rolls

0:50:50.160 --> 0:50:53.279
<v Speaker 4>up on them, and he's immediately like, haha, you weak

0:50:53.320 --> 0:50:57.080
<v Speaker 4>minded fool, you think you've discovered a new pig. And

0:50:57.120 --> 0:50:59.919
<v Speaker 4>he said, I wrote down this quote. Strange how as

0:51:00.000 --> 0:51:03.640
<v Speaker 4>absorbed man has always been in the size of things.

0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:07.839
<v Speaker 2>Yes, because of course he knows what this is. This

0:51:07.920 --> 0:51:10.000
<v Speaker 2>is not a new species of pig. This is just

0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:12.000
<v Speaker 2>a normal pig that he shrank down.

0:51:12.480 --> 0:51:15.920
<v Speaker 4>He's been shrinking pigs for months, and they're all here amazed,

0:51:15.960 --> 0:51:19.040
<v Speaker 4>thinking they've discovered new species of pigs. And he's like, ah,

0:51:19.200 --> 0:51:22.360
<v Speaker 4>you idiots, you don't understand pig shrinking. I'll tell you

0:51:22.480 --> 0:51:27.800
<v Speaker 4>about pig shrinking. But Bullfinch retorts, he says that size

0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:30.840
<v Speaker 4>is the chief difference between mammals. I wrote down this

0:51:30.920 --> 0:51:33.880
<v Speaker 4>quote as well. He says, in all essentials, a mouse

0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:40.359
<v Speaker 4>and a whale are identical. Yeah, so Bullfinch, I guess

0:51:40.360 --> 0:51:42.520
<v Speaker 4>he's supposed to be like the second best biologist in

0:51:42.560 --> 0:51:45.080
<v Speaker 4>the world, but I'm not sure about that one.

0:51:45.120 --> 0:51:47.520
<v Speaker 2>There was a big gap between first and second greatest

0:51:47.560 --> 0:51:50.160
<v Speaker 2>biologists of the time, I guess, yeah, no, I don't

0:51:50.200 --> 0:51:53.000
<v Speaker 2>think there were. I think gray Bao just in real life.

0:51:53.040 --> 0:51:56.719
<v Speaker 2>Before these guys would have argued, no, a mouse isn't

0:51:56.719 --> 0:51:59.840
<v Speaker 2>in a whale or not essentially the same creature there is,

0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:01.880
<v Speaker 2>there are some major differences.

0:52:02.760 --> 0:52:05.600
<v Speaker 4>But after this, I like this Thorkel, like we said,

0:52:05.640 --> 0:52:08.200
<v Speaker 4>even though he is very much a creep from the beginning,

0:52:08.719 --> 0:52:10.959
<v Speaker 4>he does seem to give them another chance. He tries

0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:12.960
<v Speaker 4>to send them away again. He's like, be on your way,

0:52:13.040 --> 0:52:16.359
<v Speaker 4>but Bullfinch is just so mad he refuses to leave

0:52:16.520 --> 0:52:19.440
<v Speaker 4>until he finds out what's going on, and then Thorkell

0:52:19.640 --> 0:52:22.040
<v Speaker 4>begins to threaten them. He's like, if you do not

0:52:22.200 --> 0:52:24.920
<v Speaker 4>leave within the hour, you will remain at your own peril.

0:52:27.280 --> 0:52:30.439
<v Speaker 4>So there's some snooping around. After this, Thorkel goes back.

0:52:30.520 --> 0:52:32.799
<v Speaker 4>I guess, assuming that they're supposed they're going to leave,

0:52:33.080 --> 0:52:35.680
<v Speaker 4>but they end up investigating. They're too curious for their

0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:38.920
<v Speaker 4>own good. They hear some horse sounds and they end

0:52:39.000 --> 0:52:42.360
<v Speaker 4>up spying on Thorkel appearing to like search around for

0:52:42.400 --> 0:52:45.880
<v Speaker 4>a horse in tall grass. So they all start to think, okay,

0:52:45.920 --> 0:52:50.480
<v Speaker 4>Thorkell has gone mad, but Pedro explains that actually he

0:52:50.600 --> 0:52:53.360
<v Speaker 4>has delivered a bunch of animals to Thorkell, and he

0:52:53.400 --> 0:52:55.840
<v Speaker 4>doesn't know where they are now. He's delivered rats and

0:52:55.960 --> 0:52:59.279
<v Speaker 4>chickens and dogs and cats, and he doesn't know where

0:52:59.280 --> 0:53:04.080
<v Speaker 4>they are now except for uh, there's this cat, Satanas,

0:53:04.800 --> 0:53:08.399
<v Speaker 4>and oh my god, Satanas is a good cat.

0:53:09.040 --> 0:53:09.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Upon just mere introduction of Satanas by doctor Thorkel, I

0:53:14.200 --> 0:53:16.839
<v Speaker 2>I instantly laugh, in part because just seeing a cat

0:53:16.960 --> 0:53:19.520
<v Speaker 2>just sitting there looking slightly bored in a film is

0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:23.640
<v Speaker 2>always a light but also because it does it doesn't

0:53:23.680 --> 0:53:26.520
<v Speaker 2>take take much to realize where this is going. You

0:53:26.560 --> 0:53:29.480
<v Speaker 2>know that cat is going to try and eat a

0:53:29.480 --> 0:53:31.320
<v Speaker 2>tiny person at some point in this film.

0:53:31.560 --> 0:53:34.279
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, which is a brilliant idea for for a

0:53:34.320 --> 0:53:36.640
<v Speaker 4>horror movie. By the way, I mean, a cat of

0:53:36.640 --> 0:53:40.400
<v Speaker 4>sufficient size to attack you is a terrifying proposition.

0:53:41.000 --> 0:53:41.479
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah.

0:53:41.520 --> 0:53:44.560
<v Speaker 2>Like anybody who owns a cat can can attest to this,

0:53:44.800 --> 0:53:47.360
<v Speaker 2>because you know, sometimes they will They will hunt the

0:53:47.360 --> 0:53:51.080
<v Speaker 2>feet of full sized adults like me. Uh, and their

0:53:51.160 --> 0:53:55.719
<v Speaker 2>their speed. The reflexes are terrifying. Despite how much time

0:53:55.719 --> 0:53:58.640
<v Speaker 2>they spend, you know, laying around doing nothing and sleeping.

0:53:59.160 --> 0:54:02.000
<v Speaker 2>When they want to move, they can do so with

0:54:02.239 --> 0:54:06.040
<v Speaker 2>just incredible speed. So it's easy to imagine yourself as

0:54:06.320 --> 0:54:09.040
<v Speaker 2>a small creature and having to face, you know, the

0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:13.360
<v Speaker 2>ferocity of a domestic cat. You know, you wouldn't you

0:54:13.360 --> 0:54:16.160
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't stand a chance your your only chance really would

0:54:16.160 --> 0:54:18.319
<v Speaker 2>be that it would grow bored and torturing you to death.

0:54:18.719 --> 0:54:21.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, I would say seek out water because

0:54:21.760 --> 0:54:23.439
<v Speaker 4>you know, a lot of a lot of domestic cats

0:54:23.520 --> 0:54:26.839
<v Speaker 4>don't don't really like getting too wet. I guess there's

0:54:26.880 --> 0:54:28.919
<v Speaker 4>some exceptions, but you know, they can be scared about

0:54:28.960 --> 0:54:31.160
<v Speaker 4>getting too close to water. But then again, if you're

0:54:31.320 --> 0:54:34.560
<v Speaker 4>very small, I guess water would probably like a shrunken

0:54:34.680 --> 0:54:37.760
<v Speaker 4>human might very well be in extreme danger from water.

0:54:38.160 --> 0:54:39.680
<v Speaker 4>We can talk about this more as we go on,

0:54:39.840 --> 0:54:42.480
<v Speaker 4>but I recall again the JBS Hall day and Essay,

0:54:42.640 --> 0:54:44.719
<v Speaker 4>you know, on on being the Right size, where he

0:54:44.760 --> 0:54:48.960
<v Speaker 4>talks about how getting wet is an entirely different proposition

0:54:49.040 --> 0:54:51.160
<v Speaker 4>for a small animal than it is for a larger

0:54:51.200 --> 0:54:53.960
<v Speaker 4>animal because like, if if a rat gets wet, like

0:54:54.040 --> 0:54:57.320
<v Speaker 4>a huge percent of its body weight is now clinging

0:54:57.360 --> 0:54:58.399
<v Speaker 4>to the outside of it.

0:54:58.760 --> 0:54:59.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:54:59.640 --> 0:55:02.319
<v Speaker 4>But anyway, so there's this question, like where did all

0:55:02.320 --> 0:55:04.920
<v Speaker 4>the animals go? You know, all the animals that Pedro

0:55:05.040 --> 0:55:08.120
<v Speaker 4>delivered and where are they now? Pedro says, I don't know.

0:55:08.239 --> 0:55:10.760
<v Speaker 4>But Satanas every day she gets more fat.

0:55:11.280 --> 0:55:13.920
<v Speaker 2>She is really living her best life here. She's getting

0:55:13.920 --> 0:55:18.239
<v Speaker 2>to kill, to hunt, and kill so many animals that

0:55:18.280 --> 0:55:19.480
<v Speaker 2>she wouldn't get to otherwise.

0:55:19.600 --> 0:55:24.160
<v Speaker 4>Shrunken pigs, shrunken horses. It's all gravy for Satanas.

0:55:24.520 --> 0:55:25.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:55:25.360 --> 0:55:28.439
<v Speaker 4>But anyway, so they're packing up to actually leave this time,

0:55:28.480 --> 0:55:31.760
<v Speaker 4>I think, But then they discovered that they keep finding

0:55:31.840 --> 0:55:35.719
<v Speaker 4>reasons to stay. They discovered that the ore that they've

0:55:35.760 --> 0:55:38.719
<v Speaker 4>been finding around this place contains radium, which at this

0:55:38.840 --> 0:55:41.160
<v Speaker 4>time they're like, whoa, that's worth a lot of money

0:55:41.200 --> 0:55:44.440
<v Speaker 4>and it's very important for scientific research. I guess this

0:55:44.440 --> 0:55:46.680
<v Speaker 4>would have been on the cusp of the era of

0:55:46.719 --> 0:55:48.920
<v Speaker 4>the discovery of nuclear power.

0:55:49.320 --> 0:55:52.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so certainly you know that the scientists are like,

0:55:52.360 --> 0:55:55.799
<v Speaker 2>this is great for science. And then mule guy is like, like,

0:55:55.880 --> 0:55:58.320
<v Speaker 2>there's there's that's some expensive radium.

0:55:58.400 --> 0:55:59.239
<v Speaker 3>I want a piece of it.

0:55:59.480 --> 0:56:02.080
<v Speaker 4>Yes, get me the money, And so they start snooping

0:56:02.120 --> 0:56:05.080
<v Speaker 4>around in Thorkell's stuff and then there's a big confrontation.

0:56:06.000 --> 0:56:09.280
<v Speaker 4>They find records of him saying that he has shrunk

0:56:09.360 --> 0:56:11.840
<v Speaker 4>things and they're like, well, he's obviously lost his mind,

0:56:12.520 --> 0:56:15.759
<v Speaker 4>and they and then he comes in and discovers them

0:56:15.840 --> 0:56:19.160
<v Speaker 4>going through his stuff that they have a confrontation and

0:56:19.200 --> 0:56:21.400
<v Speaker 4>he's like, here, well let me explain everything to you.

0:56:21.760 --> 0:56:24.160
<v Speaker 4>Come into this room and look at my condenser. And

0:56:24.200 --> 0:56:29.680
<v Speaker 4>so they all go in there, Robinson, Bullfinch, Steve Stockton

0:56:29.800 --> 0:56:30.400
<v Speaker 4>and Pedro.

0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:30.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:56:31.160 --> 0:56:33.280
<v Speaker 2>At last, he's like, Pedro, get in here this room.

0:56:33.200 --> 0:56:36.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, tru Yeah, everybody cray him into this, into this room.

0:56:36.320 --> 0:56:39.040
<v Speaker 4>Don't be suspicious. Just look at the condenser. And then

0:56:39.080 --> 0:56:41.640
<v Speaker 4>he slams the door on them and shrinks them, and

0:56:41.680 --> 0:56:45.440
<v Speaker 4>now we've reached the situation of the film. Everybody except

0:56:45.480 --> 0:56:57.759
<v Speaker 4>Thorkel has been shrunk to about thirteen inches tall. And

0:56:57.880 --> 0:57:00.839
<v Speaker 4>so after this, you know, they're in a room having

0:57:00.920 --> 0:57:04.560
<v Speaker 4>been shrunk, and Thorkel is like doing some playful diagnostics,

0:57:04.560 --> 0:57:08.120
<v Speaker 4>saying like wow, you know, oh your vocal cords still work,

0:57:08.200 --> 0:57:11.399
<v Speaker 4>and oh you're of this size, and he's crowing over

0:57:11.440 --> 0:57:14.200
<v Speaker 4>his victory over them while the rest of the main

0:57:14.280 --> 0:57:17.600
<v Speaker 4>characters scamper around on the floor trying to hide and escape.

0:57:17.600 --> 0:57:20.680
<v Speaker 4>And here's where the special effects just get wonderful, because

0:57:21.080 --> 0:57:24.320
<v Speaker 4>a lot of what you have here are fully built

0:57:24.520 --> 0:57:29.000
<v Speaker 4>sets to make actors that normal size appear to be like,

0:57:29.120 --> 0:57:32.200
<v Speaker 4>you know, somewhere between like six and thirteen inches tall

0:57:32.880 --> 0:57:35.600
<v Speaker 4>according to perspectives. So they were like giant chairs and

0:57:35.640 --> 0:57:37.080
<v Speaker 4>they'll go up to one of the legs of the

0:57:37.200 --> 0:57:40.400
<v Speaker 4>chair and crouch behind it, and giant books and things

0:57:40.440 --> 0:57:40.800
<v Speaker 4>like that.

0:57:41.640 --> 0:57:44.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love it when films would do this, and

0:57:44.560 --> 0:57:47.760
<v Speaker 2>I guess they still do variations on this. But I

0:57:47.840 --> 0:57:52.040
<v Speaker 2>talked to a guy once in real life who had

0:57:52.080 --> 0:57:56.160
<v Speaker 2>previously worked in special effects, and he had worked on

0:57:56.280 --> 0:57:59.400
<v Speaker 2>the film Stephen King's Cat's Eye, which you might remember

0:57:59.640 --> 0:58:02.600
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have any miniaturization occurring, but it does have a

0:58:02.680 --> 0:58:05.480
<v Speaker 2>troll creature, which was of course played by like an

0:58:05.520 --> 0:58:08.000
<v Speaker 2>adult in a full size costume. In order to make

0:58:08.080 --> 0:58:10.520
<v Speaker 2>him seem like a tiny creature, they had to build

0:58:10.560 --> 0:58:15.600
<v Speaker 2>like an enormous child's bed for this actor to prance

0:58:15.640 --> 0:58:18.280
<v Speaker 2>around on. So I got to see some behind the

0:58:18.280 --> 0:58:20.160
<v Speaker 2>scenes photos of that he had in an album and

0:58:20.160 --> 0:58:20.919
<v Speaker 2>it was super cool.

0:58:21.200 --> 0:58:24.160
<v Speaker 4>I love it. I love it. I really really missed

0:58:24.160 --> 0:58:28.880
<v Speaker 4>the era of special effects through built sets and built environments.

0:58:29.680 --> 0:58:32.080
<v Speaker 4>I do feel like something really is lost, no matter

0:58:32.080 --> 0:58:35.480
<v Speaker 4>how good an animated environment can look. I mean, the

0:58:35.520 --> 0:58:38.840
<v Speaker 4>green screen world I do feel like has lost something beautiful.

0:58:39.800 --> 0:58:41.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a craftsmanship to it. I mean not to

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<v Speaker 2>say there's not a craftsmanship in creating virtual environments, but

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<v Speaker 2>there's a physical craft to it that perhaps is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of lost.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>One thing I noticed at the very beginning is that

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<v Speaker 4>as soon as we come on the new characters, I

0:58:55.680 --> 0:58:57.960
<v Speaker 4>guess they are too small for their original clothes now.

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<v Speaker 4>So instead the characters have all replaced their original clothes

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<v Speaker 4>with like togas. They're like little torn pieces of cloth

0:59:04.800 --> 0:59:08.120
<v Speaker 4>that they're wearing like like togas and stuff. And this

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<v Speaker 4>really I think heightens the connection to the Odyssey.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course the film will continue to it will

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<v Speaker 2>let you know that it is referencing the Odyssey. It's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be very direct about it. But yeah, this

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<v Speaker 2>may be the first sign that they're going in that direction.

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<v Speaker 2>So I love this because they their clothes were not shrunk.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Thorkel is picking up their clothes and putting them

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<v Speaker 2>in a bag later, but I guess he left either

0:59:32.280 --> 0:59:37.000
<v Speaker 2>pristine handkerchiefs in there and some sewing equipment at scale

0:59:37.000 --> 0:59:40.480
<v Speaker 2>for them, or he had pre arranged clothing made from

0:59:40.560 --> 0:59:43.520
<v Speaker 2>handkerchiefs for them one or the other because they seem

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<v Speaker 2>to fit rather well.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and so Thorkel says that, you know, he's like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>I've been working for days without rest, and now I'm

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<v Speaker 4>going to fall asleep. So he falls asleep, and while

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<v Speaker 4>he's asleep, they escaped the room by building a tower

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<v Speaker 4>out of books and using a match stick to draw

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<v Speaker 4>back the bolt on the door. And then there's a

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<v Speaker 4>there's a great moment I loved where they're trying to

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<v Speaker 4>sneak around outside once they've gotten out, and there are

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<v Speaker 4>some chickens just like ye, giant chickens and giant chickens. Eh,

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<v Speaker 4>that would be really scary. I mean that's like a dinosaur.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would be terrified, Yes, like a like a

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<v Speaker 2>big feathered t rex. And you know, I guess with

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<v Speaker 2>any of these animals, you have to ask yourself, what

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<v Speaker 2>is the threshold of miniaturization at which I am identified

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<v Speaker 2>as potential prey by this animal?

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<v Speaker 4>Right? And the chickens never try to eat them, but

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<v Speaker 4>the implication is there, I mean I really do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you were thirteen inches tall and you were

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<v Speaker 4>walking past a chicken, I mean that'd probably be like

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<v Speaker 4>a human walking past a dynonicus or something like therapod dinosaur,

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<v Speaker 4>the predatory one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if it decided you were worth a pack, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that could that would be death.

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<v Speaker 4>But they do a thing that really did make me laugh.

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<v Speaker 4>They do the just tack natural walk while they walk

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<v Speaker 4>past the chickens like pretend like we're supposed to be here,

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<v Speaker 4>and then they get attacked by Satanas the cat, and

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<v Speaker 4>they have to hide among a bunch of cactus, which

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<v Speaker 4>I thought was a cool idea. Yeah, and Pedro's dog

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<v Speaker 4>Tipo eventually comes to the rescue, chases off Satanas, and

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<v Speaker 4>here we get we here we get the movie, I

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<v Speaker 4>guess offering thoughts about how you would be treated differently

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<v Speaker 4>if you were miniaturized by a cat versus by a dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this was fun because I've heard this this many

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<v Speaker 2>times before, people commenting that, Okay, if you were to

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly be you know, an inch tall or whatever, your

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<v Speaker 2>your dog would still be your friend, but your cat

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<v Speaker 2>would just eat you immediately. And and I don't disagree

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<v Speaker 2>with that principle, though I do. If I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>seriously consider the question, I'm going to wonder if a

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<v Speaker 2>dog would be able to recognize you by side or

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<v Speaker 2>by smell in a miniaturized form, Like if you start

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<v Speaker 2>asking hard scientific questions about all.

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<v Speaker 4>Of this, I don't know. I am a dog lover,

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<v Speaker 4>but I kind of think the dog would eat you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess it. Were more inclined to believe and

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<v Speaker 2>want to believe, the dog would be like, oh, master,

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<v Speaker 2>why are you so small? Let me help you, whereas

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<v Speaker 2>there's no doubt with the cat, Like the cat would

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<v Speaker 2>be like, sorry, the table has turned, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I have to do.

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<v Speaker 4>The cat would one hundred percent each you. I feel

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<v Speaker 4>like I'm at about eighty percent, and the dog would

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<v Speaker 4>eat you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>In a way, it's like that slight level of uncertainty

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<v Speaker 2>that makes it more terrifying, Like if you were suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>miniatized in your home, you'd be like, oh crap, I

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<v Speaker 2>got to avoid the cat at all costs because that

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<v Speaker 2>is death. But then you're like, I don't know about

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<v Speaker 2>the dog. The dog could be my savior, but the

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<v Speaker 2>dog might just eat me anyway, or at least put

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<v Speaker 2>me in his mouth for a while.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So after this we get a little interlude where we

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<v Speaker 4>see the humans sort of adapting to their new scale,

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<v Speaker 4>and it sort of turns into one of those recapitulation

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<v Speaker 4>of the discovery of technology narratives like you get in

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<v Speaker 4>stories like the Swiss Family Robinson. I think that's really

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<v Speaker 4>part of the pleasure people get in a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>castaway stories. Is they really like that, like watching people

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<v Speaker 4>rebuild technological capability out of the materials available to them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like a Robinson Crusoe or to a certain extent,

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<v Speaker 2>Flight of the Phoenix was like that. I think they

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<v Speaker 2>remade it at some point, but the original was like

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<v Speaker 2>a god was it a not to be twenty four?

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<v Speaker 2>It was a B oh, it was a B twenty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course B twenty nine crashes in the desert and

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<v Speaker 2>then they have to take it apart and try and

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<v Speaker 2>build a new airplane out of this four prop engine

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<v Speaker 2>airplane and then fly out of the desert in it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. So obviously, the fact that this type of narrative

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<v Speaker 4>recurs so much, I mean, I do think it's clear that,

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<v Speaker 4>like some people really enjoy watching this sort of thing happen.

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<v Speaker 4>It's some kind of fantasy fulfillment, and this movie has

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<v Speaker 4>stuff kind of like this, except instead of a desert

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<v Speaker 4>island where you're trying to recreate known technology and solutions

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<v Speaker 4>and stuff out of I don't know, coconuts or whatever. Instead,

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<v Speaker 4>it's on a tiny scale, so you see them figuring

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<v Speaker 4>out how to use a needle as a giant drill

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<v Speaker 4>or a scissor handle, was a sword and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, man, you know, I have to jump back in

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<v Speaker 2>and say, I'm mistaken. It was not a B twenty

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<v Speaker 2>nine and Flight of the Phoenix. It was a C

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<v Speaker 2>eighty two. But I think I'm confusing it with some

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<v Speaker 2>Disney film that came out where they the characters did

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<v Speaker 2>a similar thing and turned a B twenty nine into

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<v Speaker 2>a sailing vessel of some sort. But at any rate,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a it's a trope. It's a fun thing that

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<v Speaker 2>you see in a lot of films.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that water World.

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<v Speaker 2>They might have had one of these in water World,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was a different film that I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>I ever saw, but I vaguely remember the VHS box

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<v Speaker 2>for it.

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<v Speaker 4>Wait, it's the version of Noah's arc made made with

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<v Speaker 4>John Voight. I'm pretty sure that had some aircraft in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, I've looked it up, Joe, and it is the

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<v Speaker 2>Last Flight of Noah's Arc from nineteen eighty. It starred

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<v Speaker 2>Elliott Gould and A B twenty nine.

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<v Speaker 4>The Last Flight of Noah's Ark. You're not kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not kidding. That was the name of it was

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<v Speaker 2>a Disney film. I don't think this one has been

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<v Speaker 2>added to Disney Plus yet.

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<v Speaker 4>I was joking the job Void. Noahs Arc does have

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<v Speaker 4>pirates in it, but I don't recall aircraft.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, anyway back to miniaturize people. They're making tools,

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<v Speaker 2>they're rediscovering what they can use for a weapon, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>They're making new clothes, all while doctor thorkel Is is

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<v Speaker 2>snoozing off his latest science bender.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and when he does wake up from the Science Bender,

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<v Speaker 4>he has got a bit of a science hangover. He's

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<v Speaker 4>he's kinda he's kind of frisky, but he's also kind

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<v Speaker 4>of mad, and he's like, what is he going to

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<v Speaker 4>do with these these with these shrunken people, And doctor

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<v Speaker 4>Bullfinch starts he's still just like mouthing off to Thornell.

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<v Speaker 4>He's like, he's like, we are prisoners in cyclops cave again,

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<v Speaker 4>recalling the story from the Odyssey where where ulysses or

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<v Speaker 4>he calls him Ulysses. In the movie Ulysses may be

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<v Speaker 4>better known today as Odysseus and his crew are are

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<v Speaker 4>captured within the cave of Polyphemus the Cyclops I don't

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<v Speaker 4>remember on some island and and they have to find

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<v Speaker 4>a way to escape, and they end up blinding the

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<v Speaker 4>Cyclops by stabbing him in the eye. But Odysseus has

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<v Speaker 4>said that his name is no One. So when somebody

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<v Speaker 4>comes to ask if the Cyclops needs help, the Cyclops says,

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<v Speaker 4>no one is hurting me. Very clever, yes. But doctor

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<v Speaker 4>Thorkel ends up catching Bullfinch in a net oh after

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<v Speaker 4>a part where Bullfinch tells off a chicken. He's like,

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<v Speaker 4>go away, you ridiculous vowl. And Bullfinch, as always, is

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<v Speaker 4>extremely uncooperative. Thorkel is like he brings him inside to

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<v Speaker 4>measure him in various ways, and then Thorkel expresses disappointment.

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<v Speaker 4>This is privately just between him and Bullfinch all the

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<v Speaker 4>other people are still outside. He says, you know what,

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<v Speaker 4>your bodies are growing. Your bodies are reacting as if

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<v Speaker 4>you have reverted to childhood, and you will eventually grow

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<v Speaker 4>back to regular size. And Thorkel of course can't allow

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<v Speaker 4>this because then they would interfere with his work again.

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<v Speaker 4>So Thorkel turns to murder once again. We've seen him.

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<v Speaker 4>We've seen him murder to solve a problem at the

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<v Speaker 4>beginning of the movie. And his eyes, his eyes become cold,

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<v Speaker 4>and he's like, I'm going to do it again. And

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<v Speaker 4>he gets a cotton swab and puts it in some

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<v Speaker 4>kind of chemical and smothers Doctor Bullfinch with it and

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<v Speaker 4>kills him. And there's like a giant fake hand for

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<v Speaker 4>Bullfinch to be held in. It's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great scene and again very brutal, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just despite the sanitized nature of this film as a whole,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just a cold murder of the of this professor.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>But also during this scene, I was thinking about what

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Thorkel said about how you're going to grow as

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<v Speaker 2>if you were children into adult form again, which in

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<v Speaker 2>this movie all it means is you're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>big again. By the end of the film and the

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<v Speaker 2>end it's saying like if you had hidden, you would

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<v Speaker 2>have just returned to normal anyway, but instead you came

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<v Speaker 2>back to me, and now it will kill you. But

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<v Speaker 2>I had a moment there where I was imagining, like

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<v Speaker 2>what does this mean? Because a baby is not like

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<v Speaker 2>a miniature adult. You know, it changes a lot as

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<v Speaker 2>it becomes a grown person. So I was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>just contemplate, like what would that mean if you were

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<v Speaker 2>a miniaturized person and then you grew Like what monstrous

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<v Speaker 2>full sized forms would they grow into?

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<v Speaker 4>You're gonna have skull plates fusing together? Again, like what's

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<v Speaker 4>going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, so I that was kind of a nightmare scenario

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<v Speaker 2>that this film does not explore, but I had a

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<v Speaker 2>moment there I was like, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 4>Doctor Bullfinch say hello to a second round of baby teeth.

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<v Speaker 4>And then so we mentioned that scene is kind of brutal,

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<v Speaker 4>there's another there's a lot of imployed Like this is

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<v Speaker 4>not a bloody film, but there's a lot of implied

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<v Speaker 4>violence in it that is very brutal in its suggestions.

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<v Speaker 4>So you see that the other humans after Bullfinch is murdered,

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<v Speaker 4>they're hiding in this big thicket of cactus and then

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<v Speaker 4>Thorkel comes out and I guess he's trying to kill

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<v Speaker 4>them and he starts chopping up the cactus with a shovel.

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<v Speaker 4>It's messed up. But uh, we find when he chops

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<v Speaker 4>it all up and then finds they've escaped through a

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<v Speaker 4>hole in the wall out into the jungle, and Thorkell

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<v Speaker 4>taunts them over the wall, saying that they will never

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<v Speaker 4>live half an hour out in the jungle, and sure

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<v Speaker 4>enough there comes along a storm, which again to think

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<v Speaker 4>about how terrifying of a threat a storm would be

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<v Speaker 4>if you were tiny, if you were like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>six inches tall or a foot tall or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>This is yeah, I mean just on top of the

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<v Speaker 2>jungle itself. Like when Thorkel said that, I was like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>he's absolutely right, Like to go into the jungle at

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<v Speaker 2>this size is just death, Like everything is going to

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<v Speaker 2>potentially eat you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But and then on top of that the storm.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, And again this comes back to the hall day

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<v Speaker 4>and essay I mentioned earlier on being the right size.

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<v Speaker 4>The thing about how when you're when you have a

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<v Speaker 4>much larger surface area to mass ratio as smaller creatures do.

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<v Speaker 4>There are advantages to that, Like you can fall off

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<v Speaker 4>of a roof and probably not be hurt because you

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<v Speaker 4>know the the amount of air resistance provided by the

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<v Speaker 4>surface of your body will be enough to keep you

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<v Speaker 4>going pretty slow actually as you fall compared to the

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<v Speaker 4>mass in your body. But the downside are like getting

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<v Speaker 4>wet is a terrifying proposition when you are tiny, like

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<v Speaker 4>the surface tension of water clings to you like a

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<v Speaker 4>kind of slime. And so imagine, Yeah, you're out in

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<v Speaker 4>the jungle and the rain is coming down and there's

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<v Speaker 4>rivulets everywhere. Very scary. So they end up coming across

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<v Speaker 4>a boat in a river later on, and they try

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<v Speaker 4>to use technology to free it, and they get attacked

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<v Speaker 4>by a crocodilian. I think it's a crocodile. Might have

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<v Speaker 4>been an alligator. I didn't check the nose shaped too well,

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<v Speaker 4>But the crocodile attack sequence is great. They're trying to

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<v Speaker 4>fend it off with fire, but they've got these like

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<v Speaker 4>little tiny sticks that are on fire that are just

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<v Speaker 4>not enough fire.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're just kind of dropping it on the creature

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<v Speaker 2>and doesn't seem to particularly care.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and then eventually, after they chase it off by

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<v Speaker 4>throwing a bunch of flaming sticks on it, Thorkel returns.

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<v Speaker 4>He comes and finds them, and again it's brutal. Pedro

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<v Speaker 4>heroically leads his dog away from them. Drawing off the

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<v Speaker 4>smell and and so he saves the rest of the people,

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<v Speaker 4>but Thorkel sees him and shoots him, and so Pedro

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<v Speaker 4>has been murdered. And then after that, the rest of

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<v Speaker 4>the people are hiding in some grass and Thorkel starts

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<v Speaker 4>stomping through the grass and then when he can't find them,

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<v Speaker 4>he burns the grass.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so there's this inferno that he starts here, just

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<v Speaker 2>trying to flush them out. Yeah, but he doesn't quite work,

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<v Speaker 2>because they find another place that they can hide themselves, right.

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<v Speaker 4>They stow away in his specimen box, the box that

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<v Speaker 4>he was going to put them in when he found them.

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<v Speaker 4>And so Robinson, Stockton and Steve the mule guy are

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<v Speaker 4>the three people left alive. And they ride back in

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<v Speaker 4>this box to Thorkell's hut and once they get there,

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<v Speaker 4>they get out and Stockton decides, no, I'm gonna stand

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<v Speaker 4>my ground this time. I'm not going to try to escape.

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<v Speaker 4>We've got to kill Thorkel and the other to agree.

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<v Speaker 4>So first they try to aim a shotgun like a

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<v Speaker 4>cannon at his pillow in his bed, but then Thorkel

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't go to bed and stead he falls sleep in

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<v Speaker 4>his chair and then it really gets into the blinding

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<v Speaker 4>of Polyphemus in the Odyssey because they steal his glasses.

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<v Speaker 4>Remember it said at the beginning that he called them

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<v Speaker 4>there because his eyes were so damaged he really couldn't

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<v Speaker 4>see without his glasses. And they they know where he

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<v Speaker 4>keeps his extra pairs of glasses because they find them

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<v Speaker 4>when they're going through his stuff earlier, and they hide those.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they stick them through like a hole on the

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<v Speaker 2>floor of the wall. So now he has the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the only only the one pair, and they remove those

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<v Speaker 2>as well. So yeah, suddenly you have this this blinded

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<v Speaker 2>polythemous trope going on here.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and so Thorkel is enraged. He's smashing, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>he's running around trying to destroy them. He does recover

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<v Speaker 4>one pair of glasses, but one of the lenses is smashed,

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<v Speaker 4>and he says, now you can call me Cyclops because

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<v Speaker 4>I have one good eye.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for being clear about the title of the film,

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<v Speaker 2>doctor thorp Kel.

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<v Speaker 4>I think they could have done without that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>But so there's a final conference in the end. I

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<v Speaker 4>won't spoil exactly how it happens, but there they are victorious.

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<v Speaker 4>They end up they end up defeating doctor Cyclops here

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<v Speaker 4>and in the end, the three remaining characters they regrow

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<v Speaker 4>to full size and they travel back to civilization. And

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<v Speaker 4>the main things now we find are that Stockton and

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<v Speaker 4>Robinson are now in love because of course, and we

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<v Speaker 4>find that Steve the mule guy does not like cats,

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<v Speaker 4>Like he sees a cat back in the town they

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<v Speaker 4>go to and he's like, scram.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, maybe you remember this. I watched it last week

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<v Speaker 2>and I think you watched it this morning. Did we

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<v Speaker 2>ever get any real payoff with Satanas? No, Like, like

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like they had a big throwdown with the

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<v Speaker 2>Like they didn't have a big fight with the cat.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't have to like slay the cat or I

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<v Speaker 2>think the dog just chased Satanas off and that was it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm glad they didn't have to kill the cat,

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<v Speaker 4>because I mean, the cat's just being a cat.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true, Yeah, I mean, but I also wonder, like

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<v Speaker 2>was that like maybe something they wanted to do, but

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<v Speaker 2>they just didn't have the effects, Like maybe that was

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<v Speaker 2>just too much of an effects asked to have like

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<v Speaker 2>a big fight with a giant cat. I don't know, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, because of you know, there are there

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<v Speaker 2>were films that you know, they would later go more

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<v Speaker 2>in that direction of having you know, the cat to

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<v Speaker 2>aggressively go after tiny humans.

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<v Speaker 4>Well like Cat's Eye the one you mentioned.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 4>Well not a tiny human, an evil troll and the cat.

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<v Speaker 4>There is the hero going that's right, the evil tiny monster.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, this is this is absolutely a fun film.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's not not a you know, tremendous amount

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<v Speaker 2>of depth to it. There's not a huge amount of

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<v Speaker 2>monster science to discuss about it. I mean you can

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<v Speaker 2>take various you can certainly get really pedantic on the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of miniaturizing organisms and then how does that miniaturize

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<v Speaker 2>organism react and and fit in with with an immediate

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<v Speaker 2>environment that it was not miniaturized. And depending on how

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<v Speaker 2>small you go, those problems can be you know, can

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<v Speaker 2>be quite extreme. But then there are other directions as well.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we found this interesting paper we were both

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<v Speaker 2>looking at titled Human Engineering and Climate Change by lal

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<v Speaker 2>Sandberg and Roche. This was from twenty twelve published in Ethics,

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<v Speaker 2>Policy and Environment, and it's pretty wild read. You can

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<v Speaker 2>find it for free online. I think we founded at

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<v Speaker 2>BLC dot Arizona Dot Edu. And one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>they get into is like, if you were to shrink

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<v Speaker 2>humans down, they would have less of an environmental footprint,

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<v Speaker 2>so it would ultimately be better for the environment.

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<v Speaker 4>This paper is absolute. This is something doctor Thorkel would write.

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<v Speaker 4>I started reading it and I was just like, what

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<v Speaker 4>it is interesting, but it is nuts And I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it seems like there may be more direct

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<v Speaker 4>things that could be done about climate change than saying, like,

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<v Speaker 4>what if we were to shrink humans so that they

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<v Speaker 4>consume fewer resources.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there are other levers we should pull first. Certainly

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<v Speaker 2>we shouldn't take the thorkelp that path Thorkel way on

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<v Speaker 2>that particular problem.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's at least got to go like solar

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<v Speaker 4>panels before shrinking people.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. All right, Well you may be wondering where can

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<v Speaker 2>I watch Doctor Cyclops. Well, these things are always subject

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<v Speaker 2>to change. But we actually had a hard time tracking

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<v Speaker 2>this one down. We couldn't find it streaming anywhere or

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<v Speaker 2>for digital purchaser rental. We couldn't even find a We

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't find a physical rental either, So we actually bought

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<v Speaker 2>it on special edition Blu ray from kl Studio Classics

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<v Speaker 2>aka Keno Lorber. It's a brand new four K master.

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<v Speaker 2>It also has an audio commentary by film historian Richard

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<v Speaker 2>Harlan Smith. I didn't I didn't have a chance to

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<v Speaker 2>listen to it, but it sounds like it would be

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<v Speaker 2>pretty cool. The box art on this one is great.

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<v Speaker 2>Unlike some of the other previous releases that have come

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<v Speaker 2>out that had kind of like cheesy box art, like

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<v Speaker 2>this one has that weird probe mechanism in the center

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<v Speaker 2>that is lowered into the earth. You have a picture

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<v Speaker 2>of doctor Thorkel there with it looks like lasers coming

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<v Speaker 2>out of his eyes.

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<v Speaker 3>It's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's really good art.

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<v Speaker 2>But then again, this is also a classic film by

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<v Speaker 2>a notable director, so it's it's entirely possible you might

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<v Speaker 2>be able to catch this one on one of like

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<v Speaker 2>Turner Classic movies or something to that effect. I know

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<v Speaker 2>we've we heard from some people after we did our

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<v Speaker 2>episode on Mad Love chiming in and saying, oh, they're

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<v Speaker 2>showing Mad Love tonight, so who knows. Maybe check your

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<v Speaker 2>local listings, is what I'm saying. Well, let's do it. Then,

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<v Speaker 2>let's go ahead and call it done. We're done with

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Cyclops here, but this was a fun one to watch,

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<v Speaker 2>a fun one to discuss, and if you would like

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