1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: This are Arian Kirkery lug them with The Philly Show. 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 2: Ryan Kirkering joins the show today, Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todds, 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 2: the Lucky. 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: It is The Philly Show. 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: Beautiful day in clear Oata and we have a lot 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 2: of We had a lot of fun today talking with 7 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: Ryan Kirkering. 8 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 3: No doubt we were geeking out a little bit on 9 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 3: some of his uh pitch grips. He's spent the winter 10 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 3: and spring training here learning a new pitch which he'll. 11 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 4: He'll tell us about. 12 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 3: And uh, you know, he also talked about the difficult 13 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 3: way last season ended, and uh, I think this is 14 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 3: a really mature guy who's going to bounce back nicely. 15 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's He's a guy that a lot I mean 16 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: not a lot of people. Everybody in camp is really 17 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: rooting hard for, always has been rooting hard for and 18 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: I think you will see why. So here we go 19 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: our chat with Oryan Kirkering. Ryan, thanks for coming on 20 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 2: the show. We appreciate it. We're here Clearwater Wednesday, and 21 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 2: you just watched Zach Wheeler throw a bullpen and it's 22 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: kind of fun. You've seen a lot of you guys 23 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: down there watching our bullpen a live VP. Yeah, what 24 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 2: do you think Zach as he comes back? 25 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 5: Zach just being Zach. I think just seeing his stuff 26 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 5: come back. You can see the excitement out there. Like 27 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 5: I said last time I was talking together. So I 28 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 5: think it's just always cool to see and just a 29 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 5: great calibard pitcher as much as he is, especially in 30 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 5: the last few years, or what he's done for this game. 31 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: I think it's just awesome to get every little ounce 32 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: it can. 33 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 3: I always find it interesting how these guys when when 34 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 3: somebody like Zach Wheeler or anybody really throws a bullpen, 35 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 3: everybody comes out and watches, and I think, there's you're 36 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 3: supporting your teammate, but isn't the fan in you coming 37 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 3: out as well? 38 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: For sure? 39 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think just seeing just what he like I said, 40 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 5: what he brings to the table every single day he 41 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 5: brings on the mount, especially the many times he pitches, 42 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 5: I mean through the regular season, postseason, it's always great 43 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 5: to see what he does. 44 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: How about anything you've learned from a guy like that 45 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 3: having him as a teammate. 46 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 5: I think just his composure every time he goes out 47 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 5: there like it's nothing new. Just want to win a 48 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 5: ball game every single time. It doesn't matter if it's 49 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 5: like I said, regular season, early April, middle dog days 50 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 5: of August where it can be hot some places, cold 51 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 5: some places, or it's October red October. 52 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: So I think it's always cool to see that. 53 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: And you've had an interesting spring. Of course you're kind 54 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: of coming back from this hamstring strain. 55 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, unfortunately. Yeah, but I. 56 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: Mean you threw your pitching a game at the Carpenter 57 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: Complex on Tuesday, So can you tell everybody how you're 58 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 2: doing and how you think you're progressing, and do you 59 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: have a chance do you think to be on the 60 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 2: opening day roster. 61 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 5: I think it's still up in the air right now 62 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 5: for opening Day. And I think obviously, as you guys know, 63 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 5: it's just as a relievery never know when you're gonna throw, 64 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 5: whether it's back to back, three or four pitch day, 65 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 5: off pitch, off pitch, you just. 66 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: Never know how the game's going to go. 67 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 5: So I think WORKLD wise, I think trying to figure 68 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 5: out here soon next week or so before it break 69 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 5: and then. 70 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: But it felt really good out there and. 71 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 5: Felt really good composure wise, stuff wise, just ready for 72 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 5: we've got going on. 73 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 3: Next and new season brings a new pitch, absolutely, Yeah, 74 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 3: and I. 75 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: Brought a baseball, so and then that's the camera so 76 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: if you can show so you're throwing a splitter. 77 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, So it's kind of a mix of everything. 78 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 5: So it's kind of I have a hard time pronating sometimes, 79 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 5: but some guys, I'm a good superner. 80 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: That's why I think I thoroughly go to the sweeper 81 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:28,399 Speaker 1: all the time. 82 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 5: Just I'm so used to the supernation of it, so 83 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 5: I can never like pronate and be able to have 84 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 5: the how Sanchy and like other guys in the league 85 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 5: have such great change ups because they have the great 86 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 5: supernation of it. 87 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: So for me, what we've done is try to kick 88 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: it a little bit. 89 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 5: So try to like spike the index of it and 90 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 5: try to put my inside middle finger on this scene 91 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 5: like the horseshoot here. That way it kicks down and 92 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 5: it has the split action with it, so I can 93 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 5: just throw it like a fastball and just keep the 94 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 5: same velo or at least try to keep saying arm 95 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 5: action through behind it. 96 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,119 Speaker 3: Is that the kick change we hear so much about it, Yeah, 97 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 3: exactly this finger, so it just gives leeway for it. 98 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 5: So like how it's released. With some guys, it just 99 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 5: comes out this way. So the last thing that touches 100 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 5: is the middle finger. Maybe some pitches ring finger, depending 101 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 5: on each guy. But how it comes out, it will 102 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 5: kick over this way. And that's why I have like 103 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 5: the dirty access or the dirty spin to where it 104 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,239 Speaker 5: spins and the air resistance behind it will go armside. 105 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 3: Amazing the technology that's going into pitch shaping and then crazy, 106 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 3: it's amazing. 107 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: Just here here, here, call it a day. Now, let's 108 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: let's do this, Let's do that. 109 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 5: Let's try to help you that we can throw those 110 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 5: pitches that way if you're not Like back in the day, 111 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 5: it was just oh, you're just not that guys, you're 112 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 5: not gonna throw it. 113 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: Now it's all right. 114 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 5: We can kind of not force you to throw it, 115 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 5: but we can help you with how you throw as 116 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 5: a just a different pitcher. 117 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 4: You are so so okay. 118 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 2: So the season ends and you're reflecting on your season 119 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 2: and you're reflecting, you're you're looking ahead at twenty twenty 120 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: six and you're going, all right, how can I get better? 121 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 2: Who first approaches you or who, like who had the 122 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 2: idea of the splitter? Like I think that's kind of 123 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: interesting how this whole thing develops. Is it like a 124 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 2: text from Caleb mark Lower, the assistant pitching coach, like 125 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 2: a couple weeks after the season, is it you going 126 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: to them? 127 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: What's how does that? 128 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 2: What's the What was the beginning of that process? 129 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 5: I think it was just at first, kind of joking around. 130 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 5: I think probably even like twenty four, just joking around 131 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 5: of like let me throw a cutter, let me throw 132 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 5: a curveball, just to mess with them and just like 133 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 5: almost like poke a bear at them. 134 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: But then like last year, kind of talking with it more, going. 135 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 5: Through like the slumps and the ups and downs and 136 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 5: kind of seeing like what guys are looking at since 137 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 5: last year they had a full year of video on me. 138 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: So now it's okay, now it's going to two. 139 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 5: Full years of video on me, more experience. I know 140 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 5: what pitch obviously, sweeper is to go to. So now 141 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 5: it's like what can help lay off the sweeper? Can 142 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 5: just throw that? More So we kind of collectively decided like, hey, 143 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 5: let's try to lean on the splitter and see where 144 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 5: it goes versus a power cutter. Maybe that which wouldn't 145 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 5: make too much sense because it's just more left or 146 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 5: right right. So we're trying to find something that evens 147 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 5: out a little bit, and we thought split was probably 148 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 5: the best decision for it because it helps with the 149 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 5: two seam and it helps like differentirate the two and 150 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 5: then keep off the sweeper. 151 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 3: So basically you got one the sweeper going that way, yeah, 152 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 3: and the two are going that way yep. 153 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 4: And when this becomes in your arsenal, it'll go. 154 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 5: Down more straight down yeah, and then the four will 155 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 5: just keep riding up top rail. 156 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 4: And get the ball moving all those directions. 157 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 2: Would want to be a hitter, I mean, yeah, Yeah, 158 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 2: That's why I love those videos where they shows like 159 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: the balls and spread apart. 160 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 4: That's what you're trying to, Yeah. 161 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 5: Just move it like throw it over like I'm trying 162 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 5: to throw it fastball down the middle and sweeper off 163 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 5: of it. Two seam middle in and then sweeper or 164 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 5: splitter down and into a writing right. 165 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 2: And so that those conversations started after the season. I 166 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 2: know you said you were kind of joking, Okay, So 167 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 2: that starts after the season, and then and then you 168 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: have to find a grip that will work for you. 169 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: When I talked to you a couple of weeks ago, 170 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 2: you said, uh, he said, basically, I went on YouTube 171 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: and I found Yeah, Logan Gilbert's like, Logan Gilbert's got 172 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: maybe one of the best splitters in all Major League Baseball. Yeah, 173 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: he has a video on YouTube. Does someone say, like 174 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: go watch this or have you done this enough where 175 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: you're like, let me look up Logan Gilbert splitter and 176 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: see if there's a video out. 177 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: There of it a little bit both. 178 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 5: So Lowie sent me a couple pitch grips. Kleb sent 179 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 5: me a couple of pitch grips to kind of try 180 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 5: and see, and then I was like, hell you guys 181 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 5: just said, like with pitching Ninja, I'm just going there 182 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 5: and see who's got it. Pitching Ninja splitters. He was 183 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 5: the first video, so just kind of looking through again, 184 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 5: just picking his brain through like the video of it. 185 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 5: So okay, I think what's cool is like, as much 186 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 5: as a fan of what you can see and like 187 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 5: at the insights of big league guys, it's still like 188 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 5: it helps us because that's when we go on daily 189 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 5: day basis of like picking each other's brains and like 190 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 5: try to open that world of it. 191 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 4: This one's for the dudes looking for peak bedroom and performance. 192 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 6: Blue Choo is the number one chewable ed brand and 193 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 6: they just dropped their newest innovation. 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Is that basically how he throws his 211 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: I wish no okay, Okay. 212 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: So it's yeah, it's different. 213 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 5: His is more like almost across the seam, so it's 214 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 5: like he's almost going like fully complete just because he's 215 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 5: that good and got big enough fingers. So for me, 216 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 5: because I'm more sweeper, I don't think I can really 217 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 5: hold that consistently and like be comfortable with that grip. 218 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 5: So I think for me, it was just trying to 219 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 5: find what was comfortable enough to like I can get 220 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 5: my tempo and not get out of my tempo and. 221 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: Just be ready underneath. 222 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. 223 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's not like right here underneath comes like 224 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 5: a four scene and you're just tucking it and just 225 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 5: letting it ride out of the hands and just hopefully 226 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 5: get that dirty spin top spin and drop down to 227 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 5: its amazing. 228 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 3: All these pictures will show their grips on videos and 229 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 3: you feel like they're giving away secrets. But I guess 230 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 3: you guys all learn from. 231 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: Each other exactly. 232 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 5: I mean sometimes I know some guys will do a 233 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 5: different pitch gript to mess with people and see what 234 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 5: they say. Like, as I've heard different stories, it's like, oh, 235 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 5: this is how I hold. 236 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: My my curveball like this. 237 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 5: But then I've seen guys where it's like, no, this 238 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 5: is actually how I hold it, and then they throw 239 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 5: it this way, and so it's like it's funny. You 240 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 5: just never know what type of guy you see with it, 241 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 5: so it's just different. You never know who you're gonna get. 242 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 5: So sometimes it's like it's a jokester, sometimes not, or sometimes. 243 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: It is just how they throw it. 244 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 5: And then it's just because I think everyone knows, like Gilbert, 245 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 5: he's got the gross splitter. So it's like, even though 246 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 5: it's coming you can see out of the hand, it's 247 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 5: like it's still hard to hit base a split finger 248 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 5: fastball right right. 249 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 2: And so then do you start, like you start playing 250 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 2: catch with it, you know in the off season, just yeah, 251 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 2: just and then do you get you get immediate feedback, 252 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 2: I suppose right. 253 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 5: For sure, Yeah, for sure, and catchway partners see where 254 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 5: it goes. Some days are better, some days are different. 255 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 5: What kind of tweak because we know how it is. 256 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 5: There's some days that the slider's going really good and 257 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 5: there's other days that the slider's just going terrible. So 258 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 5: you just don't want like, oh, today's just not a 259 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 5: good day that splitter. Let me change every single thing. 260 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 5: You're just kind of like let me take baby steps 261 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 5: of like is this consistent? Is this getting better or 262 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 5: just getting worse, and try to tweak it from there. 263 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 3: At what point in your catchplay do you say to yourself, 264 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 3: I think I got it. 265 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 5: It can happen quick for some guys, I think so yeah, 266 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 5: So like that's how it was, like me and my sweeper, 267 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 5: like in high school learning it. But I think now, 268 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 5: like I think the sinker, I started to throw it 269 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 5: in twenty three coming up, and then it took me 270 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 5: almost like all twenty four to really get fine tuned 271 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 5: in a little bit, and then twenty five felt like 272 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 5: I was able to dot it up pretty good mostly 273 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 5: get a lot of ground balls, get a lot of 274 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 5: backdoors to varieties for a hip, a couple lefties. But 275 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 5: I think just overall, it takes sometimes the guy sometimes 276 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 5: just that specific pitch to actually feel comfortable and be 277 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 5: able to throw wherever and whenever. 278 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 3: A slider, sweeper, they're like cousins basically. 279 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: I think they're the same thing, though. 280 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 4: You yeah, because say change. 281 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 5: Because now I'm just kind of like I always called 282 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 5: it a slider. Now with the new game of like, 283 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 5: oh no, that was a slider. This is a sweeper. 284 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: I'm just kind of like it's all that goes right 285 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: to left. That's all. 286 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 4: What's the grip and the armstroke like on a sweeper. 287 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 5: So like for me, I know, some guys are like 288 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 5: more high on the horseshoe like up here, but mine's 289 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 5: more like almost like a traditional curveball. And then how 290 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 5: I supinated. It's like I think of like a sideways 291 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 5: like curveball. So how it comes out, It comes out 292 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 5: like this, that pops out, and like watching video, it'll 293 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 5: gyro spin, but then it'll catch about maybe like fifty 294 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 5: feet like right before home plate, and then I'll get 295 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 5: dirty spin. So that's why it takes off so much, 296 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 5: like so late. So that's why I like talking with hitters. 297 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 5: It's like, no, that was a late sweeper, like that 298 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 5: was a late slider, because some guys will have like 299 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 5: more of a gyro spin and then it'll tilt a 300 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 5: little bit last second and that's how it gets more 301 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 5: the airs distance and it'll cut across. 302 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 3: Now with the with the kick splitter, Uh huh, are 303 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 3: you looking for differential off your fastball? 304 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 4: Are you more looking for movement. 305 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 5: Movement movement profile? Just because it'll help if it's the 306 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 5: same velo. I think the other day, I think it 307 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 5: was like eighty six eighty eight, so about the same 308 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 5: speed as sweeper, same general profile at least closer than 309 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 5: the two seam and stuff like that. So I think 310 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 5: seeing a slower speed for lefty going away from you 311 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 5: and then versus a sweeper coming at you, So I 312 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 5: think it opens door a little bit between a back 313 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 5: foot sweeper or down the way split and just seeing 314 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 5: the difference of like, oh I can cheat to that, 315 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 5: it's like, oh no, that's going away from it, okay. 316 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 2: And then one other cool thing I think about learning 317 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 2: a new pitch, which you had mentioned a couple of 318 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 2: weeks ago, which I guess I didn't really consider, is 319 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: that not only do you have to find the grip 320 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: get comfortable with it, but then you also have to 321 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 2: figure out how you grip the ball or when you 322 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 2: grip it with your gloves so you're not like flaring 323 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 2: your glove out when your splitter. 324 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: So like, what's that is that? 325 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: Is that a difficult process too to figure out how 326 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: you do it? Because these guys are so good at 327 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: picking tipping pitches. His zeus got crushed two starts last 328 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 2: summer exactly tipping, So what's how do you kind of 329 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: figure out how to grip it when to grip it 330 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: so it looks like you're all your other three pitches. 331 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 5: Uh catch play a lot just during bullpens, try to 332 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 5: figure out what's comfortable what's not, Like I think I 333 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 5: think Gilbert does it, but I know like a lot 334 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 5: of other guys do it. They'll like pre grip splitter. 335 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 5: So it's like me talking with Lowie, talking with Klo. 336 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 5: I'm talking with Caesar about like what they think which 337 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 5: which I do, And they're like, just do whatever you 338 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 5: think is comfortable, Like whatever you think you can do 339 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 5: consistent and comfortable and not like it's caesarer said than 340 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 5: done than tip. 341 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: But just are natural as humans, we pattern a lot. 342 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: So I think it's just. 343 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 5: Not getting that routine of the pattern of it and 344 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 5: just seeing what I can do consistently without tipping. 345 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 3: Was this all good for you this winter, having a project, 346 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 3: having something to focus on after the tough way things 347 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 3: ended last year? 348 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: For sure? Yeah? I think just it's a working progress 349 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: every single day. 350 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 5: So I think having something to do, having something to 351 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 5: learn a little bit more, finding something cool to do. 352 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: I think That's what helped a lot for sure. 353 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 4: What was the key to kind of and bouncing back 354 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 4: from that. 355 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 5: I think just talking about it, I think more than anything, 356 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 5: versus kind of I would say running away from it, 357 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 5: but just like telling people how you feel about it. 358 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 5: It was like, yeah, it sucks, but you got to 359 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 5: just keep moving on because it's not baseball. It is 360 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 5: it's you mess up in the first out, there's still 361 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 5: twenty six, twenty seven ounce left of the game, so 362 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 5: it's just you keep moving. 363 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: That's how it is. 364 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 3: You're amazingly accountable, amazingly mature, in my opinion. Where does 365 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 3: that come from. 366 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 5: I think just seeing the older guys and the veteran 367 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 5: guys on the team and just being accountable and obviously 368 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 5: just being a fan of sports, you kind of see 369 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 5: where it's like, oh, that guy didn't look good, like 370 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 5: not talking to the media whether he wanted to or not, 371 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 5: or whether he liked it or not, or what happens, 372 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 5: and let the emotions get to it. But I think 373 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 5: just even though it's it was a shitty moment kind 374 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 5: of thing, it was just as long as you're accountable 375 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 5: and you just kind of talk about it and just 376 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 5: let it be and just say, hey, fucked up and 377 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 5: that's what happens. And I think also just seeing how 378 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 5: like bombed it too, I guess specifically where it's like 379 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 5: I want to say, it's a similar situation but kind 380 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 5: of in the same way where it's like, you know, 381 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 5: you messed up, but if you just stay accountable, especially 382 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 5: in Philly, and I think that's all they cared about. 383 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: I think the fans appreciated. I think you're gonna get 384 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 3: a standing ovation on opening again. 385 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: And really do I do? I do? 386 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 4: I think, uh, people and you're human, the people in 387 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 4: the seats are human and you have that connection. 388 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. 389 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 5: I think it just shows the little vulnerability and shows like, 390 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 5: hey messed up, like I said, and just I'm here 391 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 5: to keep moving on forward. 392 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 2: I mean, you had like Bradley's reach out to you. 393 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 2: If any of those guys be talking to those guys 394 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: since their first conversations or. 395 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: You know, you did have a lot of people reach 396 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: out to you, for sure. That was pretty cool. 397 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, not a whole lot recently, just kind of letting 398 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 5: season go, but I'm sure here soon reach out a 399 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 5: little bit and see how everything's going with it. 400 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I think a lot of people are 401 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 2: excited about this bullpen. Oh you start this, you start 402 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 2: the season this year with Doran, you sign Brad Keller, 403 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 2: you got Alvarado back, and you're in there bowling banks. 404 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 2: I mean, Kyle Bachis has looked really good. I don't 405 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: know who else is gonna be in the bullpen, But 406 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 2: what has you kind of excited about this group? 407 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 5: I think it's just a good group of guys overall, 408 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 5: on and off the field. I think just it's a 409 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 5: fun bullpen, especially with Ali being back. I think just 410 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 5: having the laughter in there. Duran's out there with the 411 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 5: laughter of it, Tanner always just talking his ears off 412 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 5: with everything and how he is, and then just kind 413 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 5: of I think everyone just being the kid out there almost. 414 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 5: I think that's what makes it fun and just kind 415 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 5: of putting each other's like foot out there for each 416 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 5: other and just kind of be on each other's back 417 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 5: and just always be there. 418 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 3: How much did the feel of the bullpen changed last 419 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 3: year when you when you got Duran. 420 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:09,959 Speaker 5: I think it changed a lot in the good ways, 421 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 5: just because I think we're able to settle in a 422 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 5: little bit more. 423 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: I would say no one was panicking. 424 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 5: Over like what we were doing or what roles were 425 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,239 Speaker 5: just because roles were kind of I wanna say, up 426 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 5: in the air, but it was we had a closer 427 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 5: by committees, so we weren't sure what was going to 428 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 5: go on. 429 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: So now I think it's sentenced. 430 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 5: Owe obviously Durant's got the ninth unless obviously postseason is 431 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 5: always different, so you never know. But I think overall, 432 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 5: it's just you know that there's a group of guys 433 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 5: that if the starter gets hurt on the first pitch 434 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 5: of the game, and all we gotta do is go 435 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 5: through one through eight and just keep it close and 436 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 5: then let Durant get the ninth, or if whatever baseball 437 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 5: happens and we go to the extras for whatever reason, we 438 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 5: got each other's back to keep. 439 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 2: So it's funny you mentioned we know Alvarado is just 440 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 2: loud and gregarious and laughs lot. He's very funny here. 441 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 2: He was joking around the other day in the clubhouse. 442 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 2: I had to walk out because I was laughing so hard. 443 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 2: Banks very chatty, great guy. But you said Doron is 444 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 2: actually pretty funny. Yeah, we have not probably seen too 445 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 2: much of that. He was joking the other day about 446 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 2: his secret pitch he's throwing a split change. Yeah, he 447 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 2: was kind of laughing about it. I don't want to 448 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 2: tell you what it is. Kind of acknowledge it, but 449 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 2: he's describe his personality because that was kind of I 450 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 2: had not really seen him joking around so far, but 451 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 2: he does do. 452 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: That a little bit. Yeah, he's quiet about it, but 453 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: he's always good. He's always got a quick laughter here 454 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: and there. 455 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 5: It's never I wouldn't say, like I said, it's never 456 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 5: gonna be like Alvia, but it's always just a quick, 457 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 5: subtle like. 458 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: Oh that was good. That was a good joke. And 459 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: like we always trying to joke around as much as 460 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: we can. 461 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 5: I think the more we joke around with each other, 462 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 5: I think the more comfortable we get, and the more 463 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 5: comfortable and putting each other behind each other and thing 464 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:51,959 Speaker 5: helps and try to build the comb already between each 465 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 5: other and push each other, have that tough love moments, 466 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 5: and when you have that tough love moment or have 467 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 5: the nurturing moment, when you have the nurturing moment, the 468 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 5: learning on and off the fields of you know, me 469 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 5: and Tanner always talk all the time about mechanics of 470 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 5: what he can do better, what I can do better 471 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 5: and just kind of think each other's brain. So I 472 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 5: think it just builds that back and forth, like the 473 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 5: brotherhood behind it. 474 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 4: What did you did you? 475 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 3: What did you think the first time he saw the 476 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 3: light show Duran's light show? Did you could you actually 477 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 3: see it or were you talk too far away in 478 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 3: the bullpen? 479 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: No, we could see it. We can see it. Pretty cool. 480 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: It was awesome. 481 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 5: Saw some pregame of it when they were trying to 482 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 5: test it out and stuff like that. 483 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: So we're able to see like the spider walking right field. 484 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 5: So obviously we couldn't see that unless we poked our 485 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 5: heads all the way out there. But it was cool 486 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 5: to see with all the fans interacting and then seeing 487 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 5: the big scoreboard and left field and just how everyone 488 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:42,959 Speaker 5: just interacted him going out there. 489 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: It was pretty cool. 490 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 2: I guess in that moment you kind of become a 491 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 2: fan a little bit. 492 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: I would think, right, hundred. 493 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 5: Percent, yeah, because you just know, like in joking, when 494 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,239 Speaker 5: it's like eighth inning happens and we got like a 495 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 5: three run lead, especially, it's like you almost want to 496 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 5: take your cleats off at that point, right, It's just 497 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 5: like this game's done over with Durant's gonna come in 498 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 5: and close the door and nine pitches, three strikeouts. 499 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 4: That's well. 500 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 2: I also know fans. I mean seriously, though, fans, if 501 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 2: the Phillies are up three runs are less going into 502 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 2: the ninth inning or in the eighth inning, they legitimately 503 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 2: don't want you guys to score another run if they 504 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 2: stayed that late in the game because they get they're like, 505 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 2: oh no, now he might not come in and patch. 506 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. 507 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 5: So it almost gets us, Like I say that in 508 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 5: my head, it's like, are you gonna get boo dive 509 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 5: if we go out there if it's like a five 510 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 5: run and it's like, hey, you've been thrown a couple 511 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 5: of days, Like go through out there. I'm like, I'm 512 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 5: gonna get bude because I'm not Duran coming out the 513 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 5: light show. 514 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: But no, it's always cool. 515 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 3: We talk about fans, who was your favorite player as 516 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 3: a kid when you were young. 517 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 5: Fans, Oh, there's a lot it was raised fan growing 518 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 5: up as kids. So I always grew up like ben 519 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 5: Zobris Eva Longoria. That's why it's fun to see, like 520 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 5: when Ceas is here and go through his glory days 521 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 5: of stuff. And like through the first couple of years, 522 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 5: there'd be a few days where we're just bullshit with 523 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 5: each other and be. 524 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: Like, oh, remember this guy. 525 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 5: Remember that guy, and like see how his personality was 526 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 5: through the team and stuff like that. 527 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: So it was always cool to. 528 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 3: See you remember, do you remember the World Series against 529 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 3: Tampa Bay? 530 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, that was cool. I liked it. 531 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 5: Went to the trying to think it was game one 532 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 5: or Game two when they in Tampa. Yeah, So it 533 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 5: was pretty cool to see that way and just kind 534 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 5: of full circle of things. 535 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 4: That's awesome. How many games and years you go to 536 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 4: over there as a. 537 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 5: Kid, like five, So it wasn't like season ticket or anything, 538 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 5: but it's like if it was cool enough to go, oh, 539 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 5: they're playing Yankees, let's go watch the Yankees, because that's 540 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 5: when they had a ra Jeter Besida canoe and they 541 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 5: were like when it was. 542 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: Boston, it was like big Poppy Pad trying to thing. 543 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 5: Gosh, Johnny Damon think Coco Cris towards the end of 544 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 5: his career and stuff like that. So it's kind of 545 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 5: cool to see like those guys and like grew up 546 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 5: watching and. 547 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: You've pitched there. I haven't pitched there yet. 548 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 4: You haven't pitched there yet? 549 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 5: No next year, next year, So I got a little 550 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 5: ways to check off that bucket list. 551 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 2: Did you pitch over at Steinburner Field last Yeah? 552 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, that does not count. 553 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: It doesn't count. 554 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 4: That does not count. 555 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: So I'm just hoping we get back here. Hopefully it 556 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 1: doesn't mess up with. 557 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 5: The lockout next year and stuff like that, and that 558 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 5: would just mess up our schedule of whatever. The hundred 559 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 5: and sixty two well play everyone, So hopefully just be 560 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 5: able to play a drop. 561 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: At some point and be cool and check off that 562 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: bucket list. 563 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 4: It's actually I think it's a great place to watch 564 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 4: a game. 565 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 3: It's not the most attractive stadium from outside, but the 566 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 3: sight lines are very good and the press box is excellent, 567 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 3: great vantage point. 568 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 2: I don't play, that's right, that's right. Well, Ryan Man, 569 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 2: thanks a lot for joining us. 570 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: It was fun. 571 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 2: Thanks for showing us how you're gonna throw your splitty 572 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 2: and yeah, and. 573 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 4: Showing people one more time the diving. 574 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 2: Can you describe what seems shifted wake is? I remember 575 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 2: talking to that's that's the word throwing around a lot. Yeah, 576 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 2: And I only asked that because I asked I had 577 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 2: Mark Lloyd try to explain it to me one in 578 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 2: San Francisco. I could, and he went through this great 579 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 2: explanation and then if somebody put a gun in my 580 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 2: head said what is it? 581 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: I don't think I could do it. 582 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 5: So I mean it's think it's similar to like the kickness, 583 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 5: like the kick change of it, like seams shifted, so 584 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 5: how that rotates out of the ball, okay, And so 585 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 5: like we'll have diagrams too, where it'll be like it 586 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 5: looks like a baseball like this, and then it's how 587 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 5: you like you put pressure on it or like how 588 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 5: much pressure the ball comes out because you want it 589 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 5: like as center mass as you can. That way, it's 590 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 5: like true spin, true efficiency, like true Rye kind of 591 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 5: like zaxball, just because he has great extension, yeah, great 592 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 5: force behind it. Obviously throws hard, so like his center 593 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 5: mass is like pretty dialed in. Now some guys like 594 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 5: me just because my finger's a little wider, like I'm 595 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 5: not inconsistent because instead of throwing it like here with it, 596 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 5: I may be throwing like that with it on the 597 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 5: like just the slightest movement of like me whatever coming 598 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 5: up and then like hand shifts a little bit I 599 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 5: clipped my glove a little bit, so the ball moves 600 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 5: just even by one scene, it changes the whole ball. 601 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 5: So I think it's just crazy how that one little 602 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 5: instance of it or like the. 603 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. For me, I'm like a texture guy. 604 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 5: So like if the ball was like too slick, I 605 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 5: don't like it at used to like the leather of it, 606 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 5: because then my my thumb can't push off on the 607 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 5: scenes well, or I can't like flick the baseball well, 608 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 5: and it has this weird like seems shifted and it 609 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 5: moves differently, or like doesn't have the same movement profile 610 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 5: or like the same good feel behind the baseball. 611 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 3: In your mind when you seek all this movement and 612 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 3: you guys are like scientists, but are you? Is your 613 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 3: goal a swinging miss or weak contact? 614 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 5: Depends on the situation. Okay, there's some situations where like 615 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 5: Kyk when I walked him in the last game, I 616 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 5: was like second and third. Obviously it's key K during 617 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 5: the postseason, but it's like I got free base pious 618 00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 5: on deck. 619 00:25:58,520 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: He wasn't doing well all the time. 620 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 5: But think just in those situations, like, okay, guy, free base, 621 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 5: I'm gonna try guess we can miss here and see 622 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 5: what happens. 623 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 1: And then there's those situations where it's like. 624 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 5: I'm trying to think like Colorado, it's very hard to 625 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 5: get strike out there, just because the irresistance on the ball, 626 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 5: the spin access on the ball. 627 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: And stuff like that. It's hard to get good depthy 628 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 1: pitches there. 629 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 5: It's like there, I'm just going in trying to get 630 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,719 Speaker 5: weak contact ground balls and just let them get out 631 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 5: of themselves. 632 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 4: That's that's great stuff, man. 633 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, Ryan, thanks again. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. 634 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: That's awesome. 635 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 2: The Philly Show is brought to you by the Foul 636 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 2: Territory Network. Subscribe to The Philly Show on YouTube and 637 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts.