1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wika FP Daily with 2 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody reporting from the Brooklyn Bunker, Folks. 3 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: In my conversation today with our friend MSNBC legal analyst 4 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: and host of Justice Matters Glenn Kirshner, we dive into 5 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: the walls that are closing in on Donald Trump. At 6 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: least I say that I would like for these walls 7 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: to be closing in on Donald Trump. And Glenn is 8 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: going to walk us through upcoming on the show, basically 9 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: what unfolded at the end of last week with the 10 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: Georgia grand Jury. So here's where we are. Donald Trump 11 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: has so many fucking cases against him right now. But 12 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: the issue that we are having, and the issue that 13 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: has always been with the Trumps, is that while they 14 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: are sued numerous amounts of times, they were never really 15 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: convicted of anything. And that's the problem. And this is 16 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: how when he was, you know, the King of New 17 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,559 Speaker 1: York in the eighties and the early nineties, why Donald 18 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: Trump had the name teflon Don because nothing ever stuck. 19 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: He was like the fucking mobster that you always tried 20 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: to pin the murders on, but you would turn up 21 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: with nobody. And that's the thing is that Donald Trump 22 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: I believe that he entered into the presidency with the 23 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: belief that he knew that he was hundreds of millions 24 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: of dollars in debt, that he could use the presidency 25 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: as a way to hustle, right as the grifter that 26 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 1: he is, which he did a monument's clause what, and 27 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: that he also could use it as cover for all 28 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: of the cases and the trials and the things that 29 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: people had said. I mean, remember, folks, like just go 30 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: back in your mind. Donald Trump has over twenty women 31 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,399 Speaker 1: that have accused him of sexual assault and or harassment. Right, 32 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: Donald Trump has a numerous amounts of photos with Jeffrey 33 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: Epstein and Jesse Elaine. Right, Maxwell, you know who this 34 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: man is. You know that the Trump Foundation and University 35 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: was shut down by Attorney General Letitia James, new York 36 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: Attorney General, right because of fraud. And so the investigation 37 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: that continues in New York is on fraud. Now moving 38 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: down the line in the Trump shell businesses to Trump 39 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: organization as a whole. But that case is a civil case, 40 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: and Glen will walk us through obviously, the difference between 41 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: civil charges that could possibly be brought and again they 42 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: have yet to happen. But what was said out of 43 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: the AG's office is that there is mount team right quotes, 44 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: air quotes, mounting evidence that there was fraud that has 45 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: happened and was the norm for the Trump organization. In 46 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: a civil case though there's no jail time. But the 47 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: recent movements down in Georgia by Georgia A. G. Willis 48 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: is different because we're actually talking about criminal charges. And 49 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: the reason why she has now asked for there to 50 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: be a special grand jury called in is because Georgia 51 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: law does not allow for regular grand juries to be 52 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: able to authorize subpoenas with any force. And what do 53 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: we know about Trump and company. They don't give a 54 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: fuck about subpoenas, right, They don't care about congressional subpoenas. 55 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: And unless it's coming down from the Department of Justice, 56 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: which Glen will tell us about, then there really are 57 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: no teeth to these subpoenas and so they can just 58 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: shrug and say, oh, I didn't see it, maybe it 59 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: went to spam. Right. The interesting thing though about the 60 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: Georgia case is that Trump is caught on audio again. 61 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: Can you find me eleven thousand seven hundred and eighty 62 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: six votes. I mean, you do not have to be 63 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: a rocket scientist to be able to infer what the 64 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: intent was there, right, Like, Oh, I wonder what he 65 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: meant by that, Just like I wonder what Donald Trump 66 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: meant on January in January before the January sixth insurrection 67 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: when he said that January sixth was going to be wild. 68 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: I wonder what he meant by that when he was 69 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: sitting around for a hundred and eighty seven minutes while 70 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: police officers were brutalized, right while after six people end 71 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: up dead, and does nothing right? Does nothing? We know 72 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: that his spawn, Ivanka Trump was asked right because apparently 73 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: the one six Committee, the one six Commission in the 74 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: House is still in the vein of like playing nice 75 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: and asking right for information as opposed to recognizing again 76 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 1: who these people are and treating them like the criminals 77 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: we know them to be. So Ivanka Trump is going 78 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: to do what she's been taught her whole life. Sidestep 79 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: the law. Play just really close to the margins and 80 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: if you go over, well, you're a Trump and it'll 81 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: be covered up. Anyway, When I say that the walls 82 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: are closing in I hope to God that they are. 83 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: But what I will add is that this Department of Justice, 84 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck about what press conferences Merritt 85 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,679 Speaker 1: Garland wants to hold. He the man has no spine, 86 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: he has no teeth. Tell me why with the walking in, 87 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: with the Mulla report, just sitting on your desk, right, 88 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: and the ability to go after the ten ways in 89 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: which he laid out that this administration obstructed justice. How 90 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: there is no parallel fucking case being brought by the 91 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: Department of Justice which actually can enforce subpoenas that if 92 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: you don't show up right, you are thrown in jail. 93 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: I mean, if you are a fan of law and order, 94 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: and again that's the only place that I get my 95 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: legal degree from, then you always see like sell bench 96 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: warrants here and people being thrown in jail. But as 97 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 1: we see, if you are wealthy, if you are white, 98 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: if you are male and well connected, then you are 99 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: in fact above the law all of the things right 100 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: that the Democratic Party has been saying, and the Commission 101 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: has said, and you've heard from other people, and we 102 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: heard Merritt Garland a couple of weeks ago. Nobody is 103 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: above the law. Well, then prove it, prove that nobody 104 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: is above the law with a mountain of evidence that 105 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: you have in front of you, knowing that the administration 106 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: was crooked, knowing that Donald Trump is a fraud and 107 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: a thief and a grifter, knowing all of those things 108 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: to be true. Again, where is the case? Right? And 109 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: Glenn for the first time will also say that his 110 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: feelings about the Department of Justice and giving them more 111 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: and more time more in or our room is starting 112 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: to frustrate him. And these are colleagues and friends. So 113 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: you think to yourself, if folks like us who are 114 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: engaged on a day to day basis and actually have 115 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: some skin in the game here because politics is our 116 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: work and want to uphold democracy and do our part 117 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: to do so, and we are feeling spent, We are 118 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: feeling like we are over right the administration over the 119 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: Department of Justice. How do you think that regular Americans 120 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: are feeling? Right? You know, I asked at the end 121 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: of last week on social media, and I've asked all 122 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: of you here what is the grade that you would 123 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: give to the Biden administration? And I include the Department 124 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: of Justice in there, right, because Biden appointed Merrick Garland. 125 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: I initially thought that it was as a big fu 126 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: to Mitch McConnell and the Republicans, like Meerka is going 127 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: to get in here somewhere, right, and we knew that 128 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: the confirmation would go relatively smooth. But then now I 129 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: look around and I'm just like, you could have chosen anybody, 130 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: anybody with some force, with some grit, to be your 131 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: age to show that you would go after the former 132 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: president because we need to close every single loophole that 133 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 1: Trump was able to worm his way through to protect 134 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: our democracy. This isn't a partisan attack. This is that wow, 135 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: you really essentially, I didn't know until Donald Trump's refusal 136 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: to show his taxes that that wasn't part of the law. 137 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: That was just a political norm that every single president 138 00:08:55,400 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 1: all forty four before him abided by Donald Trump is 139 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: just like, well, if it's not the law, and even 140 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: if it is, I'm going to get my fucking you know, 141 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: crackerjack box of lawyers to slow walk this so that 142 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: I don't ever have to show over my papers. Well, 143 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: the only people that do that are criminals. But we 144 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: allowed that to slide. That was one of the first 145 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: initial political norms that we allowed Donald Trump to disrupt 146 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: and that was before he was president of the United States. 147 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: Every other candidate for the Republican Party had shown their taxes, 148 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 1: but Donald Trump. So again, what does that say about 149 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: our ability to just continue to sweep things under the 150 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: rug and then turn around and realize that we have 151 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 1: Mount Everest in front of us, and now the Department 152 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: of Justice is just like oooh, the climb team seems 153 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: too steep, seems like too much work to even get 154 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: to base camp. So we might as well just not bother. 155 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: We'll just go after the low level folks at the bottom, 156 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: and then that should satisfied the masses. Well, guess what 157 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: it fucking does not. We are not satisfied by the 158 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: three years over here for insurrectionists, or a couple of 159 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: months over there, or just a slap on the wrist, 160 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: and oh, I hope you don't do this again as 161 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 1: they're building up their arsenals. Folks, we have nine months 162 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: roughly right give or take until midterm elections. And again, 163 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: if you look at what people are saying about the 164 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: Biden administration, even Woke aff Nation, if we were to 165 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: take the average of the grades that people are throwing 166 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: out this administration would get what I offered on Woke 167 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: Wednesday and on here, which is a D plus. A 168 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: D plus C minus is what folks are saying. So 169 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: if that is really how the American people feel, right 170 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: and these are progressives folks like you and I, If 171 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: they're saying D plus C minus, then what about those 172 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: people who are not engaged on a day to day basis? 173 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: What do you think they think about this administration? So 174 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: how does that look as we head into midterm elections 175 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: when Democrats literally have nothing to run on. I mean, 176 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: you listen to you listened last week to you know, 177 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: Principal Deputy White House Press Secretary Karine Jean Pierre. You 178 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: listen to her offer what she believes are some of 179 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: the high points of the administration. And I said to her, 180 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: but the American public, their memories are real short. So 181 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: if you're talking about a COVID relief package that you 182 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: were able to push through in January twenty twenty one, 183 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: you think anybody is remembering that come November of twenty 184 00:11:55,880 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: twenty two, Probably not, because America is always looking at 185 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: what have you done for me lately? And we know 186 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: that the game is always stacked against the party of 187 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: the sitting president. So they're not doing themselves any favors 188 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: right now, and this is the problem that we are facing. 189 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 1: And so coming up next, Glenn will walk us through 190 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: the difference in these two major cases that are coming 191 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: down and what the timeline he believes that we are 192 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: going to be working with over the course of the 193 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: next several months, God forbid the next couple of years, 194 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: which I believe that we actually do not have. We 195 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 1: are running out of time because as soon as Republicans 196 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: sweep in the midterm elections, all of this commission work, 197 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: all of this digging is going to grind to a halt, 198 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: and we are going to see frivolous hearing after frivolous 199 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: hearing at seven pm Eastern every single day to make 200 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: Joe Biden and the Biden administration look as crooked as 201 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: the Trump organization actually is. So folks, that conversation is 202 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: coming up next. Folks. You know that I am always 203 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: so grateful when we have our friend MSNBC legal analyst 204 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: and the host of Justice Matters, Glenn Kirshner, join us 205 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: to talk our way through the mess that is going 206 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: on in Trump's world. The other day, Hailey Jackson put 207 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: up a slide that had to be in such small 208 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: font on MSNBC of all of the infractions because there 209 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: are so many, tell us what's happening in Georgia, because 210 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: you offered reading of the tea leaves last week to 211 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: tell us what was what was going to be coming up. 212 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 1: Now we have an order for a special grand jury. 213 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: What does that mean? Daniellis is a mess and we're 214 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: all in this mess together, you know, Georgia. I think 215 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: it's a good news story, only one of a few 216 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: good news stories in the last week or two. But so, 217 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: Fulton County District Attorney Fannie Willis has been investigating this 218 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: case for some time. Presumably she's been investigating it with 219 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: a regular grand jury in Georgia. The quirk about Georgia 220 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: grand jury practices the regular grand jury doesn't have the 221 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: subpoena power, so apparently, and I see parallels between how 222 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: the House Select Committee has been conducting its investigation and 223 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: what we're now learning in Georgia, and I'll talk about 224 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: those in a minute. But she has applied to the 225 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: Chief Judge of the Fulton County Superior Court asking that 226 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: a special grand jury being paneled so she can issue 227 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: enforceable subpoenas. Why because not everybody has been cooperating voluntarily 228 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: with her investigation. Doesn't that sound a lot like what's 229 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: going on in Washington? The House Select Committee has interviewed, 230 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: has taken testimony from, and received evidence from more than 231 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: four hundred witnesses. Those are the people who are voluntarily cooperating. 232 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: Then there are a handful of people who won't. Those 233 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: are the members of the cover up Caucus, right. That's 234 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: Jim Jordan, oct Perry and Mark Meadows and Steve Bannon, 235 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll talk about Ivanka in a few minutes 236 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: and whether she's going to want to join the cover 237 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: up Caucus. So, just as lots of people have been 238 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: cooperating with the House Select Committee investigation, but some have not, 239 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: I think Fannie Willis is experiencing the same thing in Georgia, 240 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: which is why she finally said, now I need a 241 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: special grand jury so I can start banging out people 242 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: with subpoenas and forcing them to testify. So it's a 243 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: good step forward, and I am hoping that Fannie Willis 244 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: is closer to an indictment than she is being on 245 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: the front end of her investigation because we all heard 246 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: the criminal phone call that Donald Trump made. Just give 247 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: me one more vote them I need to win and 248 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: corruptly declare me the winner of the Georgia state election. 249 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: So the Georgia story is a good news story and 250 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: a good development this week. So let's you know, because thankful, 251 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: thanks to you, the listeners of woke f have their 252 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: uh you know, minors in law right in Trump law, 253 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: in Trump indictments. What is the difference? Like, what what 254 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: is it that we are looking for and hearing the 255 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: rumblings about with Tish James ag in New York where 256 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: I am, and what it is that a G. Willis 257 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: is looking for? So you just brought up the fact 258 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: that we're going back to the give me another vote, right, 259 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: which sounds a lot like Zelensky do me a favor though, 260 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: which sounds a lot like how Trump has operated for 261 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: his entire life. So what are these two parallel tracks 262 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: that are being run? And I and I will would 263 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: be remiss if I did not recognize that it is 264 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: black women that are leading the charge in these two 265 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: different states to get justice right for Georgia and for 266 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: New York in the ways in which Donald Trump and 267 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: his criminal enterprises have been able to maneuver around these places. 268 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: What's the difference between what is happening in New York 269 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: what is happening in Georgia? And do you think Donald 270 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: Trump right now is getting more and more nervous He 271 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: should be because the investigative circle is tightening around him. 272 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: That is indisputable. That's a matter of fact, I would contend. 273 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: So to your question, what's going on in New York. 274 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: Tis James Attorney General's Office is a civil investigation into 275 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: potential fraud by the Trump organization, including by Donald Trump, Ivanka, 276 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: Eric and Don Junior. And we somewhat deliciously saw in 277 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: a court filing, which was appropriate because the Trumps are 278 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: fighting in court the subpoenas that they've been served with 279 00:17:55,920 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: to testify in that fraud investigation civil investor stigation. So 280 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: nobody will ever go to jail in connection with Tiss 281 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: James investigation. That's civil fraud. She could sue, she could 282 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: recover damages on behalf of the state of New York, 283 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: and she could shut down the Trump organization, but that's civil, 284 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: not criminal. So she disclosed in that litigation that well, 285 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: when Eric Trump fought the subpoena that she served on him, 286 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: lost that fight and was forced to sit for a deposition. 287 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: He invoked this Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination more 288 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: than five hundred times. Now, let's set aside the yeah, 289 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: more than five hundred times, that's in the court filing. 290 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: Let's set aside the comedic value of Donald Trump saying, now, 291 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: apparently this applies to his son. Only mobsters plead the Fifth. 292 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: The really important thing for us to remember is when 293 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: you invoke the Fifth you have an absolute constitutional right 294 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: under the Fifth Amendment against self incrimination. And I will 295 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: fight for your right to do that, regard hardless of 296 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: how cruddy you are. But when you do it in 297 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: a criminal case, it can't be held against you. In 298 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: a civil case it can. So when and if this 299 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: case goes to trial, when I predict when, not If 300 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: Tish James drops a big old civil suit on Donald 301 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: Trump and his organization, they will be able to take 302 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: those five hundred invocations of the Fifth Amendment by Eric, 303 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 1: and they will be able to present it to the 304 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: civil grand jury. And the civil law is such that 305 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: the judge will instruct the civil jury. You can take 306 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: Eric's invocation of his fifth amend privilege against self incrimination 307 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 1: into account in the evidence. You can draw adverse inferences 308 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: against him based on it, and you can use it 309 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: as a basis as part of your verdict and your 310 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: judgment against Eric and perhaps by extension, the Trump organization, 311 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: depending on how the case is handled. So that is 312 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: what Tish James is doing ugly consequential, but it's civil 313 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: not criminal. What Fannie Willis is doing is even more 314 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: consequential because it's criminal and people could go to prison. 315 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: So let's talk for a moment, because what Tish James 316 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: is doing sounds a lot like how we were able 317 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: to shut down Trump University, right and Trump Foundation. This 318 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: is a similar situation in which they were able to 319 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: uncover the fact that the Trump Foundation and the university 320 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: were basically swindling people, right, Like, they were basically swindling 321 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: folks using the university and the foundation as some type 322 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: of front right to be able to funnel in money. 323 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: So that was shut down. Was there a fine associated 324 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: with that, like did they have to pay back the 325 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: people who they swindled out of their money or was 326 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: it the big aha with Trump? You know, was just 327 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: shutting it down. So I asked that because I'm like 328 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: with if it's the same road that we're walking down 329 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: in New York with the Trump organization is the biggest 330 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: issue just being shut down, but they can pop up 331 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: with another name in another place, or are they going 332 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: to have to owe back back fees, back taxes, back 333 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: whatever financial gains that they had, they'll have to give 334 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: it back. So I don't know the answer with respect 335 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 1: of the Trump University case, how that ended up and 336 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: what happened beyond Trump University being shut down put out 337 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: a business, And I don't want to guess. What I 338 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: will say is ordinarily in those kind of civil suits, 339 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: it's all about the damages. So you have to pay 340 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: back to the victims whatever fraudulent money you took from them. 341 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,719 Speaker 1: You may have to pay fines and penalties, There may 342 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,719 Speaker 1: be back taxes, there may be court costs, There may 343 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: be any number of financial implications as a result of 344 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: those kind of kind of cases. So yes, I assume 345 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: that will be part and parcel of whatever civil suit 346 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: Tiss James ends upbringing. But remember she hasn't filed the 347 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: civil suit yet against the Trump organization. She's investigating it. 348 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: That's why she's issued Penis to Eric that one is 349 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: behind us now, to Trump, to Ivanka, to Don Junior. 350 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: And that signals to me that she's at the very 351 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: end of her civil investigation, because you don't go at 352 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: the targets until the very end, when you have all 353 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: of the other evidence you can confront them with when 354 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: they are compelled to sit for a deposition. And it 355 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 1: is at that point she'll probably drop a big old 356 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: fraud lawsuit on Trump and his organization. What is the 357 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: likelihood that the fraud right would turn into the fraud 358 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 1: in New York could possibly turn into also a criminal investigation, 359 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: like isn't fraud and committing it like an actual crime? Yes? 360 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: So let's and let's remember the Manhattan District Attorney who 361 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: was Sivance and it's now Alvin Bragg who has taken over, 362 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: and I suspect he's going to do even better work 363 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 1: than Sivance. I was not all that impressed with Sivance's tenure, 364 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: given some of what we learned about how he dealt 365 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: with Trump and the organization. But there already is a 366 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: criminal prosecution going hunt of the Trump organization. Alan Weislberg, 367 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: the chief financial officer, and I suspect there are more 368 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: indictments to drop in that case. And remember there is 369 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: a piece of the investigation involving the civil fraud that 370 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: is partnered up with the Manhattan DA's criminal probe, which 371 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,479 Speaker 1: is a blessing and a curse. It's good because you know, 372 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: two organizations are better than one when you're attacking large 373 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: institutional organizational crime and fraud. But it does give Trump 374 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: a little bit of a challenge to make against the 375 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: civil subpoenas, saying, wait a minute, this is just a 376 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: ruse to try to get me under oath and then 377 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: use it against me in the criminal prosecution. Because the 378 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: AG's office is even working with the Manhattan DA's office 379 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: in that way. That's a that's an allegation that will 380 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 1: ultimately be rejected. And I predict these subpoenas will be 381 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: enforced and Don and Don Junior, Ivanka and Trump will 382 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: have to sit for these depositions. What I also predict 383 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: is they will all invoke the fifth and him at 384 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: right against self incrimination, just like Eric did. This is 385 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: just wild to me. So going back to Georgia, now 386 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: m willis asked for a special grand jury. What is 387 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: the timeline of the ask the approval, then we go 388 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: through the process I'm assuming of putting together a grand jury, 389 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: So just quickly walk us through that, and then we'll 390 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: transition to the one six commission. But I you know, 391 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: it's always grand jury, special grand jury. What are these people? Well? 392 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: Who are these people? How do we go about them? 393 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: And how long that processes? Is it six weeks up 394 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: they're sitting? Is it twelve? And remember we had a 395 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: special grand jury impaneled in New York the district at 396 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: twenty two, But that was because the grand juries in 397 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: New York only sit for about four weeks and they 398 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: needed consistency, so they asked for a six month long 399 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: special grand jury. That was more about timing than it 400 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: was about the authority that that grand jury has to 401 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: issue subpoenas or cott issue subpoenis so down in Georgia, 402 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of 403 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: Georgia grand jury procedure, because all fifty states have their 404 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: own procedures when it comes to grand juries. I could 405 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: tell you generally how it happens. If you apply to 406 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: the chief judge to impanel a special grand jury, the 407 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: chief Judge will act on that very quickly. I mean 408 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: it literally could be within a day or a week, 409 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: because there's no legal debate or litigation that has to 410 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: go on. It is a one sided request, what we 411 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: would call an ex parte request by the prosecutor saying 412 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: I need this, and here's why witnesses are not voluntarily cooperating, 413 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: and I need to compel their testimony with grand jury subpoenis. 414 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: So I predict the judgual act and very likely grant 415 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 1: the request to impanel this grand jury. Then they will 416 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: send out jury notices. That's a process that can take 417 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: a few weeks before they can get Now, they probably 418 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: have standing grand jury notices that have already been sent 419 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: out for other cases, for trials, or for other grand 420 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: jury matters, So all of this can be done pretty quickly. 421 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: I would say within thirty days or maybe less, you'll 422 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 1: have that grand jury sitting taking testimony. Then the question 423 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 1: becomes how long does the grand jury investigation take? That 424 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: depends on how many witnesses have refused to voluntarily take 425 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: part in Fannie Willis's investigation. If it's only I mean, 426 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: think about let's go back to the parallel, the one 427 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: sixth committee. I know we're going there in a minute, 428 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: four hundred witnesses have cooperated, half a dozen have thumbed 429 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: their noses at congressional subpoenas, the Meadows, the Jordan's, the Perrys. 430 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: So if there is a parallel between how few witnesses 431 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: in Georgia have told Fannie Willis, take a flying leap, 432 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: I'm not coming in, then they can actually move through 433 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 1: that pretty quickly. Okay, if I'm Donald Trump, If you're 434 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: Donald Trump right now, right, this announcement comes out midweek 435 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: on top of tissue James saying, there's a lot of 436 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: evidence we're going to move into Ivanka Trump now being asked, 437 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: not subpoenaed by the one six Commission, but asked to 438 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: come in for questioning. How nervous am I? On a 439 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: scale of one to ten if I'm Trump, Trump's lawyers 440 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: and circle, if you're paying attention to what's going on, 441 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: you're getting more nervous by the day. This investigative circle 442 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: is tightening. You know now what Ivanka will end up 443 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: doing in response to this request for voluntary cooperation. I 444 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 1: suspect she'll decline and then she'll be subpoenaed. The important 445 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: thing for people to remember is there's no daddy daughter 446 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: legal privilege. Right, sure, there's an executive privilege, doctor patient privilege, 447 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: attorney client privilege, priest parishioner privilege, there's a spousal privilege. 448 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: There's no daddy daughter privilege. So she can be compelled 449 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: to testify. The question becomes, what will she do when 450 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: push comes to shove. She undoubtedly has information relevant to 451 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: the one six Committees investigation. I suspect, I strongly suspect 452 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: she has information that is incriminating of her father. Why 453 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: because we know she was part of the inner circle 454 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: during the capital attack. There are reports that she was 455 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: in the room talking with him, listening to what he 456 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: had to say. When we investigate crime and we need 457 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: to prove criminal offenses, there are two things that we 458 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: have to prove. A criminal act and corrupt intent. Criminal 459 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: intent guilty, men's ray a state of mind. Now, ordinarily 460 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: that's not hard to do. Why because we infer intent 461 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: from conduct. Donald Trump's conduct is criminal, we can infer 462 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: his intent was criminal. Give me three hours in front 463 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: of a grand a trial jury in DC, and I'm 464 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: pretty darn sure I could convince them of Donald Trump's crimes. 465 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: Hopefully we get there someday so, but what Ivanka can 466 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: provide is she can say I was in the room 467 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: while Daddy was watching TV watching officers be assaulted property 468 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: and his angry mob hunting for elected officials, and I said, Dad, 469 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: you've got to put a stop to this, and he said, 470 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: A B NC, A B and C is going to 471 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: be direct evidence of his intent, probably his criminal intent, 472 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: because we know he didn't call off the attack for 473 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: more than three hours after Mark Meadows said not. Mark 474 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy said, I told him about it at the 475 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: very beginning, so he knew even if he wasn't watching 476 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: it on TV, which he was. So Ivanka has a 477 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: question to ask herself, Danielle, and I assume you and 478 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: I know what the answer will be. But the question 479 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: is do I want to be a patriot? Do I 480 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: want to provide relevant, accurate, truthful information to the House 481 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: Select Committee about what my father did on January sixth? 482 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: Or do I want to cover up his crimes? Do 483 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: I want to refuse to provide this information? Do I 484 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,239 Speaker 1: want to become yet another member of the cover up 485 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: club together with Mark Meadows, Jim Jordan, Scott Perry, and 486 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: Steve Bannon. It's a small club. It's not a terribly 487 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,959 Speaker 1: elite club. But you know, we have a term for 488 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: what these people have decided to do, which is hide 489 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: in criminating information about the conduct of another. It's called 490 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: a cover up. Have these people learned nothing of the 491 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: lessons of Watergate. If the crime don't get you, the 492 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: cover up will. And I want the Department of Justice 493 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: to go after Trump and his criminal associates for their 494 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: crimes against democracy. But I also want them to go 495 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: after everybody who covered up those crimes. You know, It's 496 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: so funny because I want to believe that people you know, 497 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: ultimately will do the right thing. I want to believe 498 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: that ultimately justice will prevail, because if I don't, you know, 499 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: then I don't know what I'm doing for a living. 500 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm thinking to myself as 501 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: you're saying this, I'm like, well, patriotism doesn't provide diffidends, right, 502 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: it doesn't. It doesn't work, It doesn't give you a 503 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: return on investment. And these people are led by money, 504 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: they're led by greed, right, And so I think. And 505 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: the funny thing, and this is I just am cracking 506 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: up in my head, is that didn't Junior have to 507 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: call Mark Meadows in order to get in touch with 508 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: his father. And now we all know that Ivanka was 509 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: in the room. Why wouldn't you have just been able 510 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: to call your sister and say, put dad on I 511 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: just this family is so bizarre to me. Was your brother? 512 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: Would you take us? Wouldn't? I wouldn't either. You're right, 513 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: I'd ignore um. You know. So the question that I 514 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: have about the one six commission and and and not 515 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: subpoenaing Ivanka? Why are we still in this period? Glenn? 516 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: Do you think where the commission is still playing? Uh, 517 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: mister and missus nice guy like we how the half 518 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: a dozen people or the dozen plus people that have 519 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: refused their niceties right, are the ones that are integral 520 00:32:54,880 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: to this commission being successful in its investigation and uncovering 521 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: for the public. You know who knew what when? About 522 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: the attempt to overthrow the government? So why aren't we 523 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: subpoenaing of Anka Trump? And wasting time? I guess is 524 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I feel like time is being wasted 525 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: when these people keep showing us who they are, it 526 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: is being wasted. And here's my assumption, we don't know 527 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: why they're going this route. But usually when there are 528 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: coequal branches of government embroiled in disputes, if that dispute 529 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: is ever going to move into the courts to be litigated, 530 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: there is something called accommodation, and accommodation is actually one 531 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: of the factors that the courts will look at before 532 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: they decide a potentially political question on the merits. The 533 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: courts will ask in litigation, you know, where one coequal 534 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: branch of government is trying to get something or trying 535 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: not to provide something to the other, and the courts 536 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: will first say, did you try the ac amodation process, 537 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: because if you didn't, then maybe you didn't make a 538 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: good faith effort to get this short of upping the 539 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: legal ante. And so it's literally a factor in any 540 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,959 Speaker 1: number of legal tests when potentially political questions move into court. 541 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,879 Speaker 1: So it's kind of in the legislature's blood. It's part 542 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,879 Speaker 1: of the na of Congress to try accommodation first. Now, 543 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: when the house is on fire, you don't, you know, 544 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: test the temperature of the water on your risk before 545 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: you try to put the dang fire out. So I'm 546 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: with you, righty, we're burning democracy daylight, let's go. But 547 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: I don't think, and especially the Dems, I don't think 548 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 1: they have it in them to go hard, to go fast, 549 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: and to depart from processes like accommodation. First. So, and 550 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: here's the other thing. When you talk about congressional subpoenas, 551 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: can we do a minute on how all subpoenas are 552 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: not created equal? Because this is becoming more important by 553 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 1: the day as we continue to see doj do nothing 554 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: at least overtly that that would make it seem they're 555 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: criminally investigating the command structure of the insurrection in the 556 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: grand jury, which is where they need to be. All 557 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: subpoenas are not created equal. So we have congressional subpoenas, 558 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: which we have all seen can be disregarded and defied 559 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: and locked and derided. Did you see Jenna Ellis's tweet? 560 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: I had to double check her timeline to make sure 561 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: it was really her. She said, yeah, the committee's just 562 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: angry because they can't date me. I'm not making that up. 563 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 1: Check her timeline. She's mocking and deriding congressional subpoenas. And 564 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: you know what congressional subpoenas are toothless? Why because Congress 565 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: has extracted its own teeth by refusing to use its 566 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: inherent power of contempt to compel obedience to subpoenas. They 567 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: could do it, they choose not to go back to 568 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,280 Speaker 1: the timidity of congress. Right, so congressional subpoenas are largely toothless. 569 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: Let's talk about Tish James subpoenas in New York, right, 570 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: those are subpoenas in civil investigations. They're not toothless, but 571 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: they give rise to lengthy legal battles. They will never 572 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: be enforced in it, they will rarely be enforced in 573 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: a timely manner. And with the Trumps, you know they're 574 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: gonna file nefarious lawsuit after us try to run out 575 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: the clocks. So those are not the most efficient subpoenas. 576 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: Let's move down to Georgia, because grand juries in Georgia 577 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: don't even get the issue subpoenas unless you ask the 578 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: chief judge, may I please impaddle a special grand jury 579 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,399 Speaker 1: so I can start using subpoenas. You have to ask 580 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: permission of the judge for that, So that has been 581 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: a long time coming. But you know what, the mother 582 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 1: of all subpoenas is the federal grand jury subpoena. Because 583 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 1: you can't you can mock and deride, but let you defy, 584 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 1: because if you defy, I've issued more federal grand jury 585 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: subpoenas that I could ever remember in my life time. 586 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: And if you defy it, you know what happens. We 587 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: immediately get a bench warrant from the judge to enforce 588 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,280 Speaker 1: the subpoena of the US Marshals are at your house 589 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: six am. The next day. You're placed in cuffs and 590 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: you're brought before the grand jury. You're brought before the 591 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 1: judge first and then the grand jury. And guess what. 592 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: You have a privilege you want to raise to try 593 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: to avoid testifying. Whether it's a bogus privilege or a 594 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: viable privilege. You know what we do, Danielle. We immediately 595 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: walk into the Chief Judge's courtroom. The chief Judge has 596 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 1: supervisory authority over the grand jury proceedings, and we litigate 597 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 1: the issue instantly in real time, and the judge issues 598 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: are ruling promptly, like I mean, within a couple of days, 599 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,280 Speaker 1: and orders the witness to go appear before the grand 600 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,240 Speaker 1: jury if he or she has no viable privilege to 601 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: prevent their testimony. This is how the insurrection Ronald Trump's 602 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 1: conspiracy to end our democracy should be investigated. Apparently it's 603 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:24,240 Speaker 1: not being investigated that way by the Department of Justice. 604 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: They're going after the foot soldiers of the insurrection. They 605 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: brought seditious conspiracy charges, so we know they're in the 606 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: grand jury investigating and indicting these matters, but we haven't 607 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: seen any evidence that they're in the grand jury aggressively 608 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: going after the command structure of the insurrection. And if 609 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: they don't take down the command structure of the insurrection, 610 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 1: these idiots are going to be recruiting their second batcheld 611 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: the soldiers seven d eight hundred people, no attack the capital. 612 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: They can get eight hundred or eight in their place. 613 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,760 Speaker 1: That's why we should be in the dang grand jury, 614 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 1: federal grand jury where they can't play all these subpoena games. Yeah, 615 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I just feel like Glenn, we continue to 616 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: have this sit and wait, sit and wait, sit and wait. 617 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 1: We get these headlines that come out like this past 618 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: week with Georgia, with New York, but it is a 619 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 1: sit and wait game. And you know, Frankly again just 620 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 1: saying midterm elections nine months away, right, and Frankly, you know, 621 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: the Biden administration doesn't have a lot to run on, 622 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: It doesn't have a lot to give Democrats to go 623 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 1: out there and say this is what we're doing. We 624 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: hear the American people, no one is above the law. 625 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: Justice will prevail. We're going to hold democracy, you know, 626 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: with everything we got. That's not what we're hearing. It's 627 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:57,399 Speaker 1: not what we're seeing. M Glenn. Lastly, what what are 628 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: you what are you paying attention to as we come 629 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 1: to the end of this month going into February. What 630 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 1: are some things that we need to have our eyes on. 631 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,359 Speaker 1: So I look every minute of every day for some 632 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: outward manifestation that the Department of Justice is actively and 633 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 1: aggressively criminally investigating the leadership of the insurrection, the command 634 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: structure of the insurrection, and I will continue to look 635 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: for that. The other thing, I'm anxiously awaiting public hearings 636 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: by the House Select Committee because I have a feeling 637 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: they have blockbuster evidence. We now know that the Supreme 638 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 1: Court told Donald Trump shut up and sit down, because 639 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,799 Speaker 1: you do not have executive privilege to assert to prevent 640 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: what we all know is deeply damaging information from going 641 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: from the National Archives to the House Select Committee. That's 642 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 1: important both legally in that case and atmospherically. For them 643 00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,280 Speaker 1: to have largely shut down the executive privilege non sense. 644 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: So I have a feeling those four hundred witnesses who 645 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,719 Speaker 1: have appeared think about it. It really is only a 646 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,359 Speaker 1: handful of witnesses who have refused to comply, and those 647 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: are the ones who are either intensely loyal to a 648 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: fallen criminal president, and or they have their own criminal culpability, 649 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,879 Speaker 1: like Mark Meadows and Jim Jordan and Scott Perry. Of 650 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: course they're not interested in cooperating because if they did 651 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,879 Speaker 1: walk into the House Select Committee, they'd have to say, 652 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to go the way of Eric Trump. I 653 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 1: invoked my Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination. Give Roger 654 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,399 Speaker 1: Stone credit. He committed all kinds of crimes. He kind 655 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 1: of walked into the grand jury and did what the 656 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,840 Speaker 1: law allows him to do. I plead the fifth, the Fifth. 657 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 1: That's what these other knuckleheads should do. But they're even 658 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 1: afraid to do that. So the Scott Perry's and the 659 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: Jim Jordan's running a red run around, yammering all kinds 660 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 1: of nonsense. Right, But there have been hundreds of witnesses 661 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 1: who said I'm not going that way. I'm going to 662 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 1: tell the How Select Committee everything I know and what 663 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 1: those four hundred witnesses know I'm sure is quite damning, 664 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 1: and all of that is being it's being sort of 665 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 1: coalesced down to what will be most important for us 666 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 1: to see in public hearing. So I'm getting my popcorn 667 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,319 Speaker 1: and I'm going to be ready to go. I'm going 668 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 1: to be ready in the tweets with you to watch 669 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 1: that live and then come back on here and discuss 670 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: and unpack. Glenn Kirshner, as always, thank you so much 671 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 1: for making the time to walk us through Trump's legal web, 672 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,920 Speaker 1: legal web of lies that we're all trapped inside of, 673 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: and hopefully we're going to see the you know it 674 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,160 Speaker 1: coming down one string at a time. We appreciate you 675 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,920 Speaker 1: as always. Power to the people and to all the people. Power, 676 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,359 Speaker 1: get woke and stay woke as fuck.