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Speaker 1: Personally with.

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Speaker 2: Rynga Fuelsman. This week we are focused on the body

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Speaker 2: and all in good ways, nothing to be concerned about.

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping this episode empowers you to do things that

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Speaker 2: are helpful for you and your body. First, I'm bringing

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Speaker 2: on Kara Clark, who is an integrative nutritionist and wellness

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Speaker 2: educator in integrative health, blood chemistry, and sports and clinical nutrition.

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Speaker 2: She's going to share her story of how she got

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Speaker 2: into this line of work and how she balances health

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Speaker 2: and wellness in her home as a mom of four girls.

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Speaker 2: And she's going to share a lot of her perspective

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Speaker 2: on the health industry and how she's helping people understand

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Speaker 2: their bodies better.

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Speaker 3: Then, I'm bringing on Lindsay Kite.

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Speaker 2: She's one of the co authors on the book More

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Speaker 2: Than a Body and has a PhD in the subject matter.

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Speaker 2: We will talk about body image, resilience, why body positivity

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Speaker 2: is more than a movement, and how your body is

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Speaker 2: an instrument not an ornament. I'm super excited this week

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Speaker 2: to be joined by Cara Clark.

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Speaker 3: We were just talking about our love for the Midwest,

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Speaker 3: for both Midwest girls. Hi, Kara, how are you?

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Speaker 2: Hi?

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Speaker 4: I'm good, How are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing good.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me and being on here beyond you

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Speaker 2: being a Midwest girl along with me. You are also

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Speaker 2: an integrative nutritionist and wellness educator. You've done all types

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Speaker 2: of clinical nutrition. You're just telling me how you were

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Speaker 2: an athlete in college and now you have a book

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Speaker 2: coming out, So walk me through your.

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Speaker 3: Story a little bit. How you got to the path

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Speaker 4: Yeah, first of all, I love the name of your podcast.

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Speaker 5: I think it's really cute and catchy and I don't know,

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Speaker 5: I'm excited to share personal things.

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Speaker 3: That's where we're going to go with this. We get things.

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Speaker 3: We really want people to take this person. There's a

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Speaker 3: reason for you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, when I listened to podcasts, I want to know

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Speaker 5: about people because I can find what they teach on

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Speaker 5: their website or whatever.

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Speaker 4: But I'm like, how did you get there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I love that, and it gives background to who

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Speaker 2: you are. Like, you're telling you what you want me

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Speaker 2: to know. But why should I listen to you?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 4: Exactly? What is your experience? Because you know, everybody has

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Speaker 5: And you know, ironically, when I was getting into nutrition,

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Speaker 5: it was still really fitness space, human calculator. So to speak,

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Speaker 5: weight loss testimony. I had issues with weight because my

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Speaker 5: coach waited us every two weeks. That's another story that

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Speaker 5: led me into more of a disordered eating path. So

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Speaker 5: when I found myself in a path that like I

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Speaker 4: I reach people who are in this phase?

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Speaker 5: Because this is hard. I don't want to I didn't

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Speaker 4: So yeah, twenty two.

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Speaker 5: I started credentials to become a certified nutritious. But it

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Speaker 4: I had to discover it on my own.

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Speaker 5: I was always sick during playoffs, like immune system breakdown?

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Speaker 5: Why's my immune system breaking down? What am I supposed

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Speaker 5: to be eating? Everybody's drinking gatorade and it hurts my stomach.

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Speaker 2: You're having these chronic issues. Yeah, chronic issues or something

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Speaker 5: Because they're invisible. Back then, seventeen years ago, people wanted

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Speaker 4: That weight loss.

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Speaker 3: How do we easily fix this? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: How do you easily fix it? For sure?

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Speaker 5: So my thought process when I created my business, which

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Speaker 4: And by the way, I was pregnant.

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Speaker 5: Always chaos is normal. I'm one of eight from the Midwest,

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Speaker 4: I could have skipped the wedding. That wasn't for me.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I never said to my husband do you

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Speaker 5: I was like running a department I shouldn't have been

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Speaker 2: Okay, wild but also crazy jump yes, athlete nutrition stuff.

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Speaker 4: You were broads journalism in college, and then.

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Speaker 2: You were working at a law firm and then you

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Speaker 3: Why?

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Speaker 4: Job the urgency to heal my own disordered eating. And

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Speaker 5: It's our own chronic issues that we want to heal from.

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Speaker 5: Like I said, disordered eating is very invisible and a

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Speaker 5: And so when I was trying to figure out food,

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Speaker 5: And so what I built into my philosophy was to

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Speaker 5: then I created my nutrition philosophy, so seventeen years ago,

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Speaker 5: I've stuck with it for seventeen years, but I've added

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you've evolved in a lot of that.

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Speaker 3: For you, What did the disorder eating look like?

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Speaker 2: Because that's another thing with it is it looks different

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for you, what was that like?

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Speaker 5: It wasn't like binging or bolimia or anything like that.

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Speaker 5: It was more like what they would call orthorexia, like

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Speaker 3: Was that part of this? Were all this start?

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Speaker 5: felt like it was a high priority for a twenty

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Speaker 4: A cultural shift, it's a huge culture shift.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, I was just finding myself and like my

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, And so what was that like to

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Speaker 5: Interesting and that was like groundbreaking for me.

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Speaker 2: a powerful correlation for you. Yeah, So that was this

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Speaker 2: shift then into this world the nutrition wellness. How long

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Speaker 5: The second I got pregnant, I was like, it's not

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Speaker 5: so for me, it was like circumstance when I don't

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Speaker 5: know if that happens for everybody.

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Speaker 4: I still not like being weighed while.

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Speaker 2: I was pregnant, understandably, so you're growing another human that

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Speaker 5: Something story, yes, And I wasn't even somebody who gained

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Speaker 5: And that's when I really focused on my macros and

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Speaker 2: because so much of health and wellness where people struggle

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Speaker 2: is convenience and accessibility.

448
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Speaker 3: And that's where you have a lot of people who

449
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 3: are like, yeah, I want to do these things.

450
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,880
Speaker 2: I want to take care of myself, but I don't

451
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 2: have the tools, I don't have the time, and how

452
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 2: do you start to do that? And then you start

453
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 2: to do your own research, which you've been able to

454
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 2: find your way through, right. But to the normal person

455
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:43,679
Speaker 2: who has no knowledge or any version of training, they

456
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 2: go online and you have so many options. Which option

457
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 2: do you go down?

458
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Speaker 4: Okay, this is they take They want to take something,

459
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Speaker 4: and I always want to take stuff.

460
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Speaker 2: Everything is is just a different journey, a different battle

461
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:57,120
Speaker 2: that you have to go down.

462
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Speaker 3: So it's interesting to hear that perspective.

463
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Speaker 2: Not once in all of my research that I've personally done,

464
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 2: have I ever heard somebody be like, well, let's remove

465
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Speaker 2: some things.

466
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 3: But also keep stuff in. Yeah, that's just a different strategy.

467
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to go a few different areas here

468
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Speaker 2: on some of the things you said.

469
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Speaker 3: One of them you mentioned supplements.

470
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Speaker 2: Supplements are very common, especially as people are trying to

471
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Speaker 2: understand their bodies better. Supplements tend to be something that

472
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 2: people go down, especially coming out of traditional medicine and

473
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Speaker 2: into a more functional lifestyle. Why do you say five

474
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Speaker 2: and under and what's this deal with supplements.

475
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Speaker 5: Because most of the time when people are coming to me,

476
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 5: they've already been here or there, like five different other places,

477
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 5: and typically they're loaded up with supplements and they have

478
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Speaker 5: all kinds of gut issues.

479
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Speaker 4: So in order for a supplement to work.

480
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Speaker 5: It has to go through the gut and then get

481
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Speaker 5: to the blood stream, and it gets to the blood

482
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 5: stream from the gut. So if you don't have like

483
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 5: pretty optimal gut health, then there's not a lot of

484
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 5: encapsulated unless it's wrapped in fat, which is like a zoma.

485
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 5: So life is almost a better option for somebody who's

486
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 5: really trying to heal. So my rule of thumb is

487
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 5: foundational support, So foundations with food, foundations with movement. That

488
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 5: doesn't mean more workouts, it means like matching what the

489
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Speaker 5: body is able to do with its stage stress and otherwise.

490
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 5: And then foundations of activation, so we activate the body

491
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Speaker 5: in general with a active multi in, a Mega three

492
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Speaker 5: or balance oil, and a probiotic.

493
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 4: So these are the three starting point. If you can

494
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 4: only afford four dollars a day, that's where you start.

495
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 5: If you're somebody food is not pleasurable because it's like

496
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 5: always disrupting, meaning like bloating gas. Everyone complaints they're bloated inflammation.

497
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Speaker 5: We are going to do digestive enzymes with that foundations.

498
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 5: If you're somebody super high stress or high strung like me,

499
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Speaker 5: then we're going to do magnesium and optimize the body

500
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 5: that way, are likely going to do an active bee

501
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 5: because somebody like me is burning the adrenals out, so

502
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 5: we're burning our bees, burning the bees.

503
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 4: That's five, right, five, And.

504
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Speaker 2: You had mentioned these and again you can go online

505
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 2: and you say everybody.

506
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 3: Needs this like you can see it.

507
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 2: You got influencerschool, or you have so much content that's

508
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 2: happening out there. But truly, is there supplements that every

509
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 2: single person needs? Is there things that every single body

510
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: is going to need? Does that actually happen or is

511
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 2: it more so often that your body is unique and

512
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 2: you need to treat.

513
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Speaker 3: It as such.

514
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, if you have the resources to really

515
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 5: do the bio individual approach one hundred percent tests, don't guess,

516
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 5: but functional medicine testing and integrated medicine testing is going

517
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 5: to be if you want to find out your biomarkers

518
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 5: on all of your vitamins and minerals, it's going to

519
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 5: be like twelve hundred dollars.

520
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 4: So that's not available to everybody.

521
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 3: Back to the accessibility.

522
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Speaker 5: See yeah, right, so I just general rule of thumb,

523
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 5: I'm going to suggest, you know, an active multi like

524
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 5: thorn or equolife. Right now, I really for somebody that

525
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 5: is aware that they have MTHFR, I like this supplement

526
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 5: called end Light for their active multi So if I

527
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,719
Speaker 5: have a little bit of data on them, I can

528
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 5: make suggestions. But yeah, if we're just generalizing this, go

529
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Speaker 5: with an active multi. Even Mary Ruth's vitamins, which are

530
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 5: accessible on Amazon and most people can pay for them,

531
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 5: are good.

532
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 3: Okay, that's good to know.

533
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 2: I think for a lot of people too, because just

534
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: like I said, the accessibility thing is what is so difficult,

535
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 2: and that's why I think people turn to the internet.

536
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 2: They're trying to financewers the best way.

537
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 4: They can h and yet they end up burdening the body.

538
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: Yes, because it's often that a lot of things band aid.

539
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: We're back to the root cause it's again onion.

540
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 3: It's all onion, and.

541
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: You're just there's so many different layers and a lot

542
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: of complexities of human which is why health and wellness

543
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 2: I think so much beyond understanding just your nutrition and

544
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 2: the things that you're supposed to have in or not

545
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 2: have in.

546
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 3: It's right, it's understanding things as a whole.

547
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 2: And I yeah, I love that's what you're practicing that

548
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: you're also preaching that in your own life. Yeah, you

549
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: were talking to of your high stress and you shared

550
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 2: its and pieces of your story as a mom of

551
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 2: four daughters and you have a husband, like you have

552
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 2: all the reasons to not be doing health and wellness.

553
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 3: You're busy, you have your own business, Like.

554
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: How do you do it?

555
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 3: How is this working for you?

556
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 2: Well?

557
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 5: Part of it is I have to if I don't

558
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 5: stay pretty straight and arrow on my choices. It's easy

559
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 5: for me because I'm obsessed with feeling good. Let's face that,

560
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 5: I want to feel good every single day.

561
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 4: I don't like feeling bad.

562
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 5: Ever, I'm a whimp when it comes to any symptoms.

563
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 5: If my ring here is even Oh you're showing some

564
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 5: mild symptoms, Like.

565
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 2: You're like, okay, great, I have to restart everything.

566
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: So I have to.

567
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 4: I chose this.

568
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 5: This is my dream life that I'm living right now.

569
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 5: I'm not going to watch it fade away. So I

570
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 5: being having four kids keeps you in the present moment.

571
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 5: And that's the nice thing about the chaos of my life,

572
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 5: as I'm always in the present moment, So I'm not

573
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 5: having to do all this meditation work to get in

574
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 5: the present moment because I'm in the present moment. My

575
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 5: meditation work is to, you know, bring out my nervous

576
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 5: system a little bit.

577
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 4: So the why do like, why do I do it?

578
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 4: How do I do it? I think people should just

579
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 4: come love with me and see. I don't know how

580
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 4: to describe it, but generally I follow my food philosophy.

581
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 5: I eat within the hour of waking up. I don't

582
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 5: drink coffee on an empty stomach. Those are two big

583
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 5: ones that I think a lot of people don't do.

584
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 5: I try to exercise every day for thirty minutes, and

585
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 5: I don't like the only reason I say try, I'm

586
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 5: obsessed with working out, like I mentioned from the beginning,

587
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 5: but my day doesn't always a lot for it, and

588
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 5: so by life style, I have a lot of meat movement.

589
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 4: Have you heard of that?

590
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 3: Tell me?

591
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 4: Exercise thermogenesis?

592
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 3: Okay, what is it?

593
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 4: It's tracking the movement of our body. I'm up and

594
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 4: down the stairs.

595
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 5: We're talking about the stairs, you know, putting laundry, way,

596
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 5: doing dishes. I have a lot of movement, walking my

597
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,479
Speaker 5: kids to school, walking the Dog's just a lot of movement.

598
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 5: And I try to prioritize movement over going to a

599
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 5: workout class because I know it's not realistic for me

600
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 5: in my stage of life, and I'm okay with that,

601
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 5: because when this is said and done and the girls

602
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 5: move on, that'll be like the hard part for me.

603
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 5: I'll have a harder time saying structured and regimented. Then, Like,

604
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 5: right now, I have to drink my water, I have

605
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 5: to take my detax bads, I have to do take

606
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 5: my vitamins or I pay for it, you know. But

607
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 5: when I don't have to anymore, when like space is

608
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 5: totally cleared up and I'm gonna have to deal with

609
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 5: all my issues.

610
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 3: You're like, there's a lot of purpose behind this side

611
00:28:59,000 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 3: right now. So I'm just.

612
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: No. But that's also very real, right because it's easy

613
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 2: to look at somebody like you who has all this

614
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: knowledge and has the experience and be like, well, yeah,

615
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: that's easy for her, but you have a very busy

616
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: and full life and you've made it a priority.

617
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 3: But that's your drive.

618
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: So I think that's something for people to think of,

619
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 2: is what's their.

620
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: Drive, what's their reason?

621
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: That's your reason, and this is why every day you're like, Okay,

622
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: I have to do these things, right, you have your purpose,

623
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: So finding a purpose I think will help people in

624
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: attaining these goals. Yes, when it is you want to

625
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: look at it and be overwhelmed and say there's no

626
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: way I can do this.

627
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 3: Right, So I think that's a well I in.

628
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 5: My membership this year, I started the year off with

629
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 5: the coaching session of having them reprioritize and not.

630
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 4: Just what's important what's not like, what's relevant to what

631
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 4: you're aspiring to do? Why are you here?

632
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 5: You're in my membership for a reason, So let's lay

633
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 5: it out with priorities instead of goals.

634
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 4: And I felt like that even helped me. Like I

635
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 4: was telling my team the other day, I.

636
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 5: Don't have time to help in my daughter's school quote unquote,

637
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 5: but that's what gives me great joy. So I'm reprioritizing

638
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 5: that in my schedule. So I go do that every

639
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 5: Tuesday for an hour or whatever. People think I'm crazy.

640
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 5: I coach my kids' teams because that's a priority to

641
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 5: me because it gives me so much joy. You know,

642
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 5: I don't not do things because I don't have time.

643
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 5: I restructure my schedule for my priorities.

644
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 4: Does that make sense?

645
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: It absolutely does, And it is.

646
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 2: It's something that is difficult, right because a lot of

647
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 2: topics on this podcast in general has always been.

648
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 3: It's easier to do stuff that's not hard.

649
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just true, unfortunately, and it's easy to get

650
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: stuck in ways where it's just you're taking the easier

651
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: route or you're repeating the same cycle.

652
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: What you're talking about is a hard choice to make.

653
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: You have to make the choice to make things a

654
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: priority and read structure your life to make that happen,

655
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 2: which we love to think that we can do, but

656
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: when we're faced with.

657
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: That decision is often I'm okay, yeah, mine.

658
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 4: It's true to cook dinner, grab dinner, for sure, it

659
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 4: really is.

660
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: And then back to the convenient side of things and

661
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: understanding all of that. So understanding that things are a

662
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: priority is necessary. I also want to mention to you,

663
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: so on my side of things, you're gonna probably have

664
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: a lot of tips in this area. I've been a

665
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: vegetarian since I was eight years old.

666
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Speaker 3: It was a decision that I made.

667
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 4: Very in the middle of Kansas, no less, yeah, very young.

668
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: My sister told me where my McDonald's cheeseburger came from,

669
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Speaker 2: and I said, I am absolutely not eating this anymore,

670
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: and declared right then and there too, my parents very

671
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: strong opinion of me not to, but I did, and

672
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: I've stuck with him.

673
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Speaker 3: I'm not thirty one years old. It's a long time

674
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Speaker 3: of being vegetarian.

675
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Speaker 2: But one of my biggest struggles, and I think so

676
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: many people's struggles, regardless of vegetarian, vegan, or eating all

677
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: kinds of meat, is getting protein in all the time.

678
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 3: That's and it's so important, but it's so hard to do.

679
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.

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00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 4: I don't know why.

681
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 5: I mean, that's why I think it trends to say

682
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 5: prioritize protein, because really I prioritize all three macros.

683
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 4: But it is the one thing that you don't naturally grab.

684
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 5: Fat's easy to get fat as twice as nutrient dense,

685
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 5: you don't need as much, so by looks of it,

686
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 5: you eat half the fat as you do carbs. And protein. Yeah,

687
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 5: protein is not a natural thing for people to grab.

688
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 5: You're one hundred percent right. I wonder what's involved in

689
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 5: that human nature and evolution.

690
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Speaker 4: I'm with you.

691
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Speaker 5: It's hard to think about the animals. And I have

692
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 5: actually a friend from Kansas who found out where her

693
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 5: pet pig went oh no and never eat meat again.

694
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Speaker 3: So no, that would traumatize me.

695
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 4: I know it is traumatizing.

696
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Speaker 5: And I went through a stage where I was vegetarian

697
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 5: and it was so inflammatory for my body that I

698
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 5: had to make the hard toste to like but yeah,

699
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 5: and like when I'm working with somebody, there are emotions,

700
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 5: and there's physiological things, and there's physical things and there's

701
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 5: mental things, and so I have to help the person

702
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 5: build back regardless of my beliefs.

703
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Speaker 4: Does that make sense? So anyways, what was the original question?

704
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Speaker 1: Oh?

705
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: Protein, Well you can also talk about too, because you

706
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: had mentioned that you do the three groups together than

707
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: just protein too.

708
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 3: So if that's better, feel free. This is just the hot.

709
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 4: It's because it's hard to get. It's not natural. Even

710
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 4: like my daughter that came home early today, she made

711
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 4: herself a huge and.

712
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 5: She's I just don't know a protein to add. So

713
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 5: it's just not natural unless we're like deferring to dairy.

714
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 5: Everyone wants cheese and yogurt.

715
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Speaker 2: But yeah, oh yeah, as a vegetarian, that's the one

716
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: reason I can't go vegan.

717
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 3: I've tried, and it is to that point.

718
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: And because often like when people think about protein, when

719
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: they think about a healthy meal, it'd be like veggies, rice, protein.

720
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 4: Yes, and people are so tired of doing that right again,

721
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 4: indoctrinated by the fitness.

722
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 3: World exactly, and they're tired of that.

723
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 2: So they're like, Okay, well, how can I find other

724
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 2: ways to get in protein? Then you start looking like, well,

725
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: maybe there's really not all that many options here.

726
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 4: Well, there's not like very many pure complete proteins for vegetarians.

727
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 4: That's just the truth.

728
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 3: Dairy is one, So you're right on that, and even

729
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 3: how she is like my best friend.

730
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love cottage cheese.

731
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Speaker 5: I did a bioresonance scan with physics measuring my voice,

732
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 5: so I do all the testing and cottage cheese came

733
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 5: back perfect. I was like, all the wavelengths matched cottage

734
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 5: cheese in my body, which is ironic because I don't

735
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 5: do well with most dairy.

736
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Speaker 3: Okay, so cottage cheese though, was the same one.

737
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Speaker 1: Huh.

738
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Speaker 3: I need you keep telling me all these things, and

739
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, I do eggs?

740
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Speaker 4: Are you pascytarian?

741
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 3: I do eggs.

742
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: It's like a weird I have a weird relationship with eggs.

743
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'll be like, yeah, let's eat them.

744
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 4: Nobody can have a relationship with eggs. Anymore. They're just

745
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 4: confiscated permanently, they're gone.

746
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: They are there.

747
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 3: I saw a place what was doing in New York.

748
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,479
Speaker 2: They were doing like lucy eggs where they're just telling

749
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 2: like one, I'm like, imagine you just go and buy

750
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 2: five lucy eggs and you're trying to make it home

751
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 2: with these lucy eggs. You're like back in high school

752
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: when they gave you that as a baby to take

753
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: care of.

754
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Yeah, And I'm like, what are you

755
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 3: going to put your lucy eggs in now? Because you

756
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 3: don't get a carton, it's a whole eggs.

757
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 4: That's funny. I didn't know that.

758
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, And then like when you take the deeper dive

759
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 5: and I know we don't have all the time in

760
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 5: the world, but vegetarian protein is plant based, and a

761
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 5: lot of these plants are not organic and they're not

762
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 5: grown enrich soil, and they're high in arsenic, which is

763
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 5: a heavy metal. And so then you're like where do

764
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 5: I turn. And then the nut milks and stuff they're

765
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 5: unless you make your own, which like who has time

766
00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 5: for that?

767
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 3: It is getting to the point where you're like, I

768
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 3: might as well just have my own garden, my own things.

769
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 3: Don't go to the store.

770
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 4: I know, never need to go to the store.

771
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Speaker 3: Hope we end up in an apocalypse. I suppose that

772
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 3: would help everybody else.

773
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 5: Every time I hire instacart and ship, they put me

774
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 5: over the edge with their replacements, so we're lack thereof

775
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 5: yep every time.

776
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 3: Well, well, that is like a big topic. But what

777
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 3: is something to do for you?

778
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 2: Because you've been in this so long you personally, maybe

779
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: it's something for other people. However you want to walk down,

780
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: you can, But what's something you wish you had known

781
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: sooner about, whether it's nutrition, health.

782
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, the biggest thing I wish I had known is

783
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 5: about adrenals and.

784
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 4: Taking this more integrative.

785
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 5: Our dreanals are on top of our kidneys, and our

786
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 5: kidneys and Chinese medicine are heart so American women our understanding.

787
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 5: The kidneys are the air filter to the body, and

788
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 5: so if the adrenals are down, it affects the kidneys,

789
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 5: which affects your dreamage pathways, which you know, and then

790
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 5: affects a lot of other things. Obviously, But if I

791
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 5: understood supporting my dreanals through my pregnancies, through starting my business,

792
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 5: I don't think I would have had the major two

793
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 5: year breakdown that I did, where I thought everything is

794
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 5: going to lose everything. So you know, supporting your adrenals

795
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 5: is not a simple topic. It's different for everybody. It's

796
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 5: not vegetarian, they all are.

797
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: I know.

798
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 4: So that was that's one thing. And then obviously the

799
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 4: nervous system.

800
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 5: I think that, like I said, we define things as

801
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 5: normal for ourselves because we're used to it and because it.

802
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 4: Became our normal.

803
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 5: But having balance in the body and regulation of the

804
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 5: different systems is what we should be seeking, not keeping

805
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 5: our normal.

806
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: That's really good information for other people to to have.

807
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 2: But crazy I the adrenals I learned about too when

808
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 2: I also had went into some You said, the supplemental side.

809
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 2: What would that be referred to as in medicine, Oh, biomolecular, Yeah,

810
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 2: more supplement And one of the biggest things high stress.

811
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 2: I had bad adreanal because I had such a like

812
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 2: high stress job, and I was.

813
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 3: Like I didn't even know those existing, No, what are

814
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 3: you talking about?

815
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 5: And it seems like a loose term, like a drenal fatigue,

816
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 5: because for me, I was hyper. I wasn't tied like

817
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 5: I couldn't even go to sleep.

818
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're like, this feels like that's not Yeah, didn't.

819
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 4: Sound right until I really started the path of discovery.

820
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I could listen, Kara, we could sit here

821
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 2: all day. No, because I love everything that you're doing.

822
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: Your story is amazing. But I do love to end

823
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: the podcast with a motivational tip if you will, or

824
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 2: something that you feel like can help other people, or

825
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: something that you just feel like on your.

826
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 3: Heart to share.

827
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: So something motivationable to end us here on a high note.

828
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's awesome that you always share motivational things. I

829
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 5: think for most people when they do start health journeys,

830
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 5: it's fleeting that they don't see results.

831
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 4: So really tap into how you feel. How do you

832
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 4: can measure how you feel? Do you have energy?

833
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 5: Do you feel good? Rather than what the scale says

834
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 5: or what your clothes say. If you feel good, change

835
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 5: will come.

836
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 2: That's a really important one, especially right now because the

837
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 2: impact of social media has a lot of us seeing

838
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 2: ourselves differently and thinking that the scale is still one

839
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: of the most important things when it.

840
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 3: Really isn't right. It has a lot to do with

841
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 3: how you feel. So, Kara, thank you for joining me.

842
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: Thanks for being here sharing your story. You do have

843
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 3: your new cookbook that's coming out.

844
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: I did want to mention too, because weird connection by

845
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: way country music.

846
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 3: You have a forward in there from Carrie Underwood. Yeah,

847
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 3: what's that connection?

848
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 4: We went to college together in Oklahoma.

849
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 3: Okay, now this is making sense. So been friends since college?

850
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 5: Well, well, yes, there was a window of time where

851
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 5: we lost touch, but we moved here because they were

852
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 5: very welcoming to us.

853
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 1: Wow.

854
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: Okay, And have you guys worked together at all on

855
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: the nutrition tye because I know she's also huge.

856
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

857
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 5: I was a contributor to her book, and I'm the

858
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 5: nutritionist on her app. I developed the recipes for her

859
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 5: fifty two app. But yeah, we try to keep our

860
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 5: relationship super like friendship and you know, personal and not

861
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 5: so much work. Nice thing with somebody like her is

862
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 5: you're not even working with her, you're working with her team.

863
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 5: So you know, we always keep our relationship friendly.

864
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 3: No, that's a good thing.

865
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: Well, I love that, and it's friends supporting friends. You've

866
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: helped in some things, but also the core.

867
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Speaker 5: People always say, oh and Carrie Underwood's nutritionist, I'm like,

868
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 5: we're just French.

869
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 4: She doesn't listen to me.

870
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Speaker 2: You're like, well, I mean, Karena was in great shape.

871
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 3: I know at some point you just be like and.

872
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 4: I can't even claim it.

873
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 5: It takes her five years when after I say something

874
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 5: for her to follow through.

875
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 3: Well, hey, Karena would just like the rest of us.

876
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 3: You know, we're all learning.

877
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: But I'm really excited to see your cookbook take off,

878
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 2: just like everything else has happened for you.

879
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 3: But again, thank you for being here you.

880
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 2: I am joined by Lindsay Kite. She is one of

881
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: identical twins. They are two twins who promote body image

882
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 2: resilience after getting their PhDs from the University of Utah

883
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 2: in the study of female body image. But they also

884
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: have a book called More Than a Body.

885
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 3: I'm just so excited to have you on. How are you, Lindsay,

886
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 3: I'm good.

887
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having me. Morgan.

888
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm excited to get a talk with you because

889
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: your book is so powerful for so many people. I'm

890
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: shocked how I hadn't heard of it until I stumbled

891
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: upon you guys on social media and I was like,

892
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: these guys are perfect.

893
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 3: I need to have them on the podcast.

894
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: So tell me a little bit how you guys got

895
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: into this line of work.

896
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, thanks for this invitation. Whether or not you

897
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: had heard of our book or our work or whatever,

898
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: I'm glad you stumbled upon us. So love that, And

899
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: I can fill you in on the whole background. I

900
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: would say Lexi and I first got started in this

901
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: work because we had been so affected by our culture's

902
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: really crazy, harmful ideals about bodies and weight and beauty

903
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: growing up, and so we were kind of primed to

904
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: recognize this as a real issue within ourselves. I'll start

905
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: from when we were both in college and we were

906
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: trying really really hard to be different, but we both

907
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: took separate sections of the same class on media literacy.

908
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: So it was basically just the ability to see and

909
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: deconstruct media messages, why images and texts are curated the

910
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: way that they are and engineered the way that they are.

911
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: And one of the elements of that was on gender

912
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: and how women are represented and portrayed in such specific, narrow,

913
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: one dimensional ways. So Lexi and I grew up feeling

914
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: so abnormal, just so embarrassed of our bodies and like

915
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: we were just so gross and overweight and will never

916
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: be good enough and always striving for more, and in college,

917
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: once we both were in these separate classrooms learning this

918
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: message that we had kind of been tricked into thinking

919
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: that we were wrong, that our bodies were uniquely gross

920
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: and problems in need of fixing, and instead that was

921
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: something that media was literally profiting off of that. There

922
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 1: are so many industries, corporations and people that were banking

923
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: on us feeling so insecure, always needing to buy the

924
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: next product or the next diet plan, whatever it may be.

925
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: Lexi and I, being identical twins, I think were always

926
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: really hyper fixated on what we looked like because everyone

927
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 1: else was about us meeting people growing up. Really still

928
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: to this day, when we're together will meet someone for

929
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: the first time, they will look us both up and

930
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: down to scan our whole bodies and phases, and especially

931
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: when we were little, they would pick out those little differences. Oh, okay,

932
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: so you're the one with straight or teeth, or you're

933
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: the one with the round or face. And it was

934
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: always just kind of a competition, but it made us

935
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: really really fixated on what we looked like and how

936
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: we compared to each other. And I remember constantly scanning

937
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,959
Speaker 1: my twin sister's body up and down to see, Okay,

938
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: that's what I look like in those pants that we share,

939
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: and just being really self conscious. So learning about that

940
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: in college and starting to figure out that actually, your

941
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: body images this whole. It's a construction. It's built by

942
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: our society, and so many of us have it regardless

943
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: of what we look like. We feel so negatively. That

944
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: was the start of so much more. That led to

945
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: how many years ten years of higher education. Lexie and

946
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: I both earned our masters and PhDs, and we did

947
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: it together and did really complimentary research about the objectification

948
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: of women. Now we see ourselves as objects, not only

949
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 1: why that happens, but how to fix it most importantly,

950
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: and that's the body image resilience that you mentioned earlier.

951
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: It's so cool that you guys, as identical twins, had

952
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: planned we're going to have our own lives and we're

953
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 2: going to do our own thing, and somehow it still

954
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 2: panned out that you guys ended up studying the same thing,

955
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 2: coming together and really focusing and understanding this stuff together.

956
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 3: I think that's awesome.

957
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: So, yeah, isn't that wild? We wanted to be different

958
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: so bad and just couldn't do it. We just couldn't.

959
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: We have the same interests and had such similar experiences

960
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: that we decided we were just going to use our

961
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: powers for good instead of evil, and stop fighting so

962
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: much and being in competition and instead focus on the

963
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 1: same thing and try to do some good. Thinks it's

964
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: really helped. I think our work has gone a lot further,

965
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: and we've been able to do so much more than

966
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: we could if it was just one of us solo.

967
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: Things have evolved in the oh Man, We've been doing

968
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: this for teen years. Sixteen years. We started in two

969
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: thousand and nine when we finished our master's degrees, So yeah,

970
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 1: this has been an ongoing process.

971
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 3: I think that's super cool.

972
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: And sometimes you just got to let life work out

973
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: how it's supposed to work out instead of fighting it.

974
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 4: So it sounds like that's what happened totally.

975
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: I don't think that we can really start the conversation

976
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 2: about why the work you guys are doing is so

977
00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: important without discussing the root cause of body image issues.

978
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: You know, before you came on, I also had a

979
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: friend on Kara Clark who's an integrative health really is

980
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: focused on you feeling good in your body, and that's

981
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 2: the focus rather than focusing on the diet and trying

982
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 2: to change your body, how do you feel good? Let's

983
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 2: find a way to make you feel good. And we

984
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 2: talk a lot about root causes, and I think this

985
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: is also a topic where there's a root cause to this,

986
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 2: and there's something that created this and is part of

987
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 2: this story that we often don't get to the bottom

988
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 2: of when we just feel I hate my body and

989
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: that's that.

990
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 3: But there's something behind that. So can you share a

991
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 3: little bit about what that might be.

992
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely the root of all of this, and the

993
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: research that Lexian I have done has really pointed to

994
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: the objectification of women's bodies. So in our culture, all

995
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 1: of the media images that all of us have been

996
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: surrounded by since we were growing up has been really

997
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: curated so that women look one particular. So think of

998
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: the media images that you were surrounded by growing up.

999
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: Of course, media was a little bit more limited then,

1000
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 1: but we all shared these same cultural images and messages

1001
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: about which women were worthy of being featured or depicted

1002
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: in media, whether it was your local news anchor a

1003
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: national news anchor, what girls look like in your favorite

1004
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: TV shows, movies, magazines, advertising, you'd walk fast on the street.

1005
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: Like literally everything we generally saw only very thin women,

1006
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: often white women, or women with light skin tones if

1007
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: they were women of color, long hair, flawless faces and

1008
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: bodies meaning no cellul light, no stretch marks, no acne,

1009
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: no wrinkles, no gray hair, typically very young looking faces

1010
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: and bodies. So we have this one very particular idea

1011
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: of what it looked like to be not just an

1012
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: attractive ten out of ten woman, but what it looks

1013
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: like to be a normal woman or a healthy woman.

1014
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 1: All of this has been really curated in our minds

1015
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: through media messages, and some people say it's like a

1016
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: chicken or the situation. Did people have these preferences for

1017
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: one particular body type, or did industries create these preferences,

1018
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: or did media start that and reflected it to us,

1019
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: And now we just take that in and try to

1020
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: emulate it and reflect it back. The truth is, I'll

1021
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: use a word that I don't think people love to

1022
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: talk about often in a lot of circles, but patriarchy.

1023
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: When men are largely in power, when decision makers are

1024
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly male, then often the images and the messages that

1025
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: we'll see in society will reflect those types of preferences.

1026
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: So we talk about a male gaze that is perpetuated

1027
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: through media, all types of media. That means the women

1028
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: that you'll see depicted or featured at all are typically

1029
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: seen through the lens of what a straight male would

1030
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: look at. So the way the camera pans up and

1031
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: down a woman's body and zooms in on certain parts

1032
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: of her body. Think of your favorite TV show. It

1033
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: could be a reality show or scripted show, whatever, even

1034
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: one that is specifically for women, You'll still see the

1035
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: camera zoom in on parts of her body and the

1036
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: dialogue will focus on what she looks like. It was

1037
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: even worse when we were growing up in a lot

1038
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: of ways. So that patriarchy and what sells and what's

1039
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: deemed attractive or desirable or okay enough to be shown

1040
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 1: or celebrated was really very one dimensional, and it's created

1041
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: these generations of women who feel defined by how we look.

1042
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: Not just that we don't feel beautiful, but we feel

1043
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: obsessed with what we look like. Period. Some people do

1044
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: feel beautiful, and that's what when we talk about self objectification,

1045
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: that means you grow up in a society where you're

1046
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: surrounded by the objectification of women and then you turn

1047
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: that lens on yourself. You learn to self objectify it,

1048
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: to see yourself as an object, so not a dynamic,

1049
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: fully thinking, feeling human being with agency living inside this body.

1050
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: You start to see yourself as the rest of the

1051
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: world old sees women's bodies, and that is as bodies

1052
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: and not as people. We learn to self objectify and

1053
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: moderate everything we do through the lens of how do

1054
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: I look right now? Who is looking at me right now?

1055
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 1: Do I need to suck in? Do I need to

1056
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 1: sit in a different position, Do I need to keep

1057
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: my chin up? So my double chain has been showing.

1058
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: All of this follows us throughout our whole lives, and

1059
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: we learn it from a very very young age to

1060
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: self objectify.

1061
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: You mentioned so many different details here that I want

1062
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 2: to get into. I am one of those people, much

1063
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 2: like most women are. I watched so many Disney shows,

1064
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: I watched all of them. I loved consuming media. I

1065
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 2: loved looking at magazines. I was a young girl that

1066
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: was so fun to me to do. But now, as

1067
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 2: an older woman, you look back and you see the

1068
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: things that you were consuming, and now I'm having to

1069
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 2: retrain myself to see things differently. And I think this

1070
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: is so difficult to do for people because you're retraining

1071
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 2: decades of things, like you mentioned, that have been ingrained

1072
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 2: in our heads. So how do we start to retrain ourselves?

1073
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: What does that start to look like for someone who

1074
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: is quote unquote waking up and realizing this isn't the norm.

1075
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's such a good question. And I just want

1076
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: to acknowledge how amazing it is that so many people

1077
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: are even thinking about that, Like, how incredible is it

1078
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: that we are in this day and age our generation

1079
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: is starting to push back on these ideas about what

1080
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: it means to be desirable or healthier, normal, or whatever.

1081
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: And we're doing that not only for ourselves, but for

1082
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 1: the generations to come, and even for the generations before us.

1083
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: I do this stuff for my mom and my grandma

1084
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: who's still fixated on what she looks like and how

1085
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: many calories and carbs and sugar she's eating. All of

1086
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: this I think is so important, And I want people

1087
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: to think of their motivation for why they're even asking

1088
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: this question, Why do you want to retrain your brain?

1089
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: It's probably because you have been harmed by this stuff,

1090
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: because you have wasted too many years of your life,

1091
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: fixating on what you eat to become smaller, instead of

1092
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: worrying about how you feel right now. And I don't

1093
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: mean how you feel about how you look. I mean

1094
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: literally how you feel, how you feel about experiencing the

1095
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: world and moving in the world in this body that

1096
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: you were born into and that you will live every

1097
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: second of your life in. We should be so at

1098
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: home in these bodies, and instead we feel so separated

1099
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: from them. We watch ourselves being looked at. We imagine

1100
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: how we look as we live our lives, and that

1101
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 1: holds us back. It stops us. Think of little girls

1102
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: in middle school who stop raising their hands in class,

1103
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: and they start sitting out in pe class and they

1104
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: drop out a dance and volleyball and anything else where

1105
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: they don't want to be looked at. And for me,

1106
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: it was swimming. Once I got into high school, I

1107
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: completely quit swimming because I was too worried about these

1108
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: boys from my high school seeing me in a swimsuit.

1109
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: Think of what you've lost and missed out on. So

1110
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: a lot of us are starting from that baseline of

1111
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 1: can't do this anymore. And maybe it's even for your daughter.

1112
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: The people who are having babies right now are waking

1113
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: up to these ideas that I don't want my kids

1114
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: to deal with what I've had to deal with, even

1115
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: if I'm still dealing with it right now. I got

1116
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: to fix it for me so I can help them,

1117
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: and let that be your motivation. Honestly, keep that kind

1118
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: of rage and that willingness to fight and push back

1119
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: and let that fuel you in this journey. So when

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00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,919
Speaker 1: I talk about body image resilience, I'm talking about something

1121
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: that's a few steps beyond just body positivity. I'm not

1122
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: just telling you you're beautiful just the way you are.

1123
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: You should feel great because your flaws make you beautiful,

1124
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: and everyone thinks you're prettier than you think you are.

1125
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: That's been kind of the messaging that we've heard over

1126
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: the last couple decades. That's the really just public, kind

1127
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: of big mass campaign sort of messaging. That is nice

1128
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: and it's good and there's nothing wrong with it. But

1129
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: the problem is we need to go a little bit

1130
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: further than that, because if you really think about it,

1131
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: all of those messages are keeping us fixated on beauty,

1132
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: whether or not we feel beautiful, whether or not we

1133
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: are beautiful. Beauty remains the key to our power and

1134
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: self esteem, and it shouldn't be with body image resilience.

1135
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: You are coming back home to your body, your body

1136
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: not as this beautiful thing for you to display and

1137
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: to be admired by others, but this instrument that is

1138
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: your home. The subtitle my book with Lexi is more

1139
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: than a body. Your body is an instrument, not an ornament.

1140
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: And we named it that specifically, with your body as

1141
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: an instrument not an ornament as the subtitle, because that

1142
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 1: is this mantra that we've been sharing for the last

1143
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: fifteen years or whatever, and that kind of sums up

1144
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: this mission that we are on that in order to

1145
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: really progress and to make any headway toward feeling comfortable

1146
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: and at home in our bodies, we need to see

1147
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 1: our bodies for what they really are, instruments for our

1148
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: use and our benefit and our experience, not ornaments to

1149
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 1: be looked at and to be admired. I'm not your journey.

1150
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 2: I'm really glad you brought that up. I love that

1151
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 2: saying that you guys came up with. And I'll get

1152
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 2: into that a little bit more here in a second,

1153
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 2: but something that weighs super heavily for me and I'm

1154
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 2: sure for other people, I have struggle striking this balance

1155
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 2: between I know that I want to love my body

1156
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 2: and I want to be comfortable in my skin, and

1157
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 2: I don't want to listen to things, but I also

1158
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 2: want to be healthy and what does that look like?

1159
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,760
Speaker 3: And we balance the two of those things.

1160
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 2: Is such this very delicate area because when you start

1161
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 2: to get into the health side of things, you start

1162
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 2: to look at yourself in a certain way and you're

1163
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 2: obsessed with a scale or you're trying to focus on

1164
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 2: what your body looks like.

1165
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 3: But so much of what I think is important.

1166
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 2: Is again striking that balance of I'm comfortable in my skin,

1167
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 2: but I want to be strong and I want to

1168
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 2: be healthy, and I want to feel good because I

1169
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:55,760
Speaker 2: feel good and I'm.

1170
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 3: Nourishing my body in the right way.

1171
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, but how do we do that?

1172
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 3: Because I know for me that's a daily struggle.

1173
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 2: I know that it's a lot for everybody else, And

1174
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 2: we're constantly inundated on social media with so much content

1175
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 2: on multiple levels of this. So how do we sit

1176
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 2: there and find that delicate area where we're honoring the

1177
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 2: fact that we don't need to change, but also we

1178
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 2: want to be healthy.

1179
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, your question is great and it reflects one that

1180
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: everybody in especially our society, asks when they start to

1181
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: be confronted with these these topics. And it's actually what

1182
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: my whole dissertation research was based on. My research was

1183
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: on how women define health and fitness for themselves, how

1184
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,479
Speaker 1: they understand it, What does it mean for a woman

1185
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: to be healthy and fit, and how do we fix it?

1186
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: Because at the root of your question, it shows this

1187
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: confusion that almost all women and all people in our

1188
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: culture share, which is the idea that help means looking

1189
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 1: a certain way or when a certain amount. And when

1190
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: you really dig into the real research on what health

1191
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: and fitness truly means and how to truly define it

1192
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 1: in an effective way, you find out that your weight,

1193
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: your appearance, your body fat percentage, all of that is

1194
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: actually a really flawed way of thinking about a person's

1195
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: health and fitness. So mass research since the seventies shows

1196
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: that the most effective way to determine a person's health

1197
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: or fitness is their physical activity level, not how they

1198
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: look while they're engaged in physical activity, not whether they're

1199
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: running marathons every month, not how jiggly their thighs are

1200
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: while they are engaging in that physical activity. It's simply

1201
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: how often you are moving your body and getting your

1202
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: heart rate up. That is how you can judge health

1203
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: or fitness. For most people, obviously, go to the doctor,

1204
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: get all of the testing done that you possibly can

1205
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: to find out what's really going on in your body,

1206
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: because everybody's body is different. But the reality is you

1207
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: can judge whether or not you're healthier fit by internal

1208
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: indicators like your blood pressure, your cholesterol, your blood sugar,

1209
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: your respiratory fitness, all that kind of stuff that a

1210
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: regular doctor can help you really get a handle on,

1211
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: and how often you are active and getting your heart

1212
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: rate up. People who are totally healthy by all of

1213
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: those measures look a huge variety of different ways and

1214
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: weigh a huge variety of different weights. So when I

1215
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: say your body is an instrument not an ornament, that

1216
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: is actually the answer to your question. I want to

1217
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: be healthy and I want to love my body means

1218
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to use my body as an instrument because

1219
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: my body is important to use. How I feel better

1220
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: about my body is by using my body, honoring my body,

1221
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: engaging in enjoyable activity, and that is truly the best

1222
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: way to improve your body image is to think of

1223
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: your body as an instrument and to actually use it

1224
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: that way. My research showed that most women define health

1225
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: their fitness by their weight, their body mass index, or

1226
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: their pants size, and so my whole dissertation research was,

1227
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: how do we intervene to share accurate information about how

1228
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: to define health and fitness so that women can have

1229
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: a better understanding for themselves and then set better goals

1230
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: for their own health and fitness. And what it showed

1231
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: was that women often would start by they would pick

1232
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: goals for themselves like New York's Resolutions. Basically that would say,

1233
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: I want to lose x pounds by this date, or

1234
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: I want to get back into these pants that are

1235
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: in the back of my closet, or I want to

1236
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: get into this weight category. And those goals, though they

1237
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: sound like they're pointing toward health, are often not only unachievable,

1238
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: but they lead to worse health outcomes because when you

1239
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: are striving to lose weight instead of to improve all

1240
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: of those internal indicators of health or to just move

1241
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: your body at a pace and duration that is healthy

1242
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: for you, then you are getting hung up on factors

1243
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: that are not always within your control, especially for women,

1244
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: because these measures, we might have a weight number in

1245
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: our head. It's a total lie that we heard on

1246
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: the internet that women who are the most beautiful weigh

1247
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: this amount for this height or whatever it is. It's

1248
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: all such a weird, arbitrary system. And you know that,

1249
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: you know that people's weight fluctuates, and you're shocked when

1250
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: you hear what someone really weighs, and you think she

1251
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: looks so great, and wow, I can't believe it's that much.

1252
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: Everyone's weight is just like a whole different, independent story,

1253
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: and it really doesn't have much bearing on their health

1254
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: or fitness. So the better sounding goals, not even better sounding,

1255
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: but actually more effective goals for women's health and fitness

1256
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: would be to say, I want to get my heart

1257
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: rate up to x rate for thirty minutes, five days

1258
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: a week. That is kind of baseline what doctors recommend.

1259
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: But the most important thing is to do something that

1260
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: is is motivational and fulfilling for you. So whatever activities

1261
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: it is, don't do something you hate. Don't do something

1262
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: that's a punishment because you hate too much, or because

1263
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: you think your body's disgusting. So you've got to go

1264
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: run on the treadmill late at night for two hours

1265
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: a day. Pick activities that are actually enjoyable that you'll

1266
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: look forward to, and they will help you have this

1267
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: greater appreciation for your body and how it works and

1268
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: what it allows you to do and to experience, rather

1269
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: than just measuring it's you know, it's way it's relationship

1270
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: to gravity that can be so discouraging and doesn't actually

1271
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: improve your health.

1272
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you refer to it as a relationship

1273
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 2: to gravity, because that's really all it is. It's right

1274
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 2: and it always it is, and something that's really helped

1275
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 2: me in this area I have focused on. When I

1276
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 2: say I want to be strong, it's not to look

1277
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 2: a certain way. It's I'm a single woman. I have

1278
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 2: to take care of things by myself, so I want

1279
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 2: to be able to lift things. I want to be

1280
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 2: able to take care of stuff by my own, so

1281
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 2: I got to be strong to take care of myself.

1282
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 2: And I want to feel good because feeling good means

1283
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 2: I am a good person. I can be out there

1284
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 2: living in the world and interacting with the world because

1285
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 2: I feel good because I'm nourishing my body in a

1286
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 2: way that feels really good to me. And that's so

1287
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 2: important to find. But even someone who like me feels

1288
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 2: like I have this whole grasp on what I'm doing

1289
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 2: and what that means. Doesn't mean I don't go on

1290
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 2: social media and see all kinds of things and be like, dang,

1291
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 2: I wish I looked like that, or I wish I

1292
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 2: had that body, or I don't have that.

1293
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 3: Do I need to do this?

1294
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 2: Or you can get so derailed so quickly because of

1295
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 2: everything that's out there, And that was something I would

1296
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 2: love for you to share your input on because I

1297
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 2: work in social media. I love social media for the

1298
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 2: fact that it can bring people together, and it can

1299
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 2: bring people like us together who may never come together.

1300
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 3: I think it's a beautiful tool.

1301
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 2: But it's also a place that people have used to really, gosh,

1302
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 2: just hate on women in every way in which they

1303
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 2: do something. They could do everything correctly, and they're still

1304
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 2: hatred toward them. There's still this insane goal of making

1305
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 2: a woman feel worse about herself. Yeah, and I don't

1306
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 2: know why that continues to keep happening. But I just

1307
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 2: love your input on that because I know when I

1308
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 2: get on social media as a woman, I hate being

1309
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 2: there sometimes because I know that I'm going to get

1310
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 2: hate simply for existing.

1311
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it comes back to what I said at

1312
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: the beginning about it being profit driven and sexist. Really,

1313
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: these beauty ideals are a way to keep women in

1314
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 1: our place. Women aren't really able to progress as much

1315
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: personally in our individual lives and in society collectively when

1316
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: we're so fixated on how we look, and when we

1317
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: are measuring ourselves against these really unattainable and really hyper sexualized,

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01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: out of reach images that we're comparing ourselves to, often

1319
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: totally photoshopped and filtered and edited and everything else. But

1320
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: I just want to honor how difficult it is to

1321
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: live in a society like this and to be surrounded

1322
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: by these types of images and messages for our entire lives.

1323
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: You could be the most educated, the most successful, the

1324
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: most loved, well informed person who's totally at ease with

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01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: yourself in every other category. But if you're a woman

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01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 1: who lives in this Western society where we are being

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01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: evaluated by how we look, and we're judging ourselves according

1328
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: to those same measures, then you're always going to come

1329
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: up short. And so this is not a you problem.

1330
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 1: This is not an individual problem. Of anyone, any one

1331
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: of us not being strong enough, or having high enough

1332
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: self esteem, or having enough willpower just to abstain from

1333
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: eating all that stuff that I know I shouldn't have eaten,

1334
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: or having the discipline to exercise more. All of that

1335
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: points back to me as the problem. You as the problem.

1336
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 1: You not having enough self control, you not doing all

1337
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 1: the right things in order to be as hot and

1338
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: thin and sexy and young looking as you think you

1339
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: need to be in order to be happy. What I

1340
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 1: want to point out to you is that that's not

1341
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 1: the case, and our whole society, our whole culture, and

1342
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: so many industries are engineered to put that blame on you,

1343
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: when the reality is that this system that we're surrounded

1344
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 1: by is really the thing to blame. It's been so

1345
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: carefully curated to drive those feelings in us so that

1346
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 1: we will then buy the products and follow the people,

1347
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: and engage in the activities and the services that make

1348
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: people money and that keep this hierarchy in place where

1349
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: women were never quite good enough. We're always going to

1350
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 1: need to try to be better because we're not quite

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01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: worthy of love, We're not quite worthy of empowerment and

1352
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: happiness and confidence, in whatever else we want, because we

1353
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: just don't quite look the part. Even if everything else

1354
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: in our lives is ten out of ten, that is

1355
01:05:55,840 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: a losing system. It is a rigged game. And that

1356
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 1: is the game of objectification, where we are objects, and

1357
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 1: these objects, the rules for what makes a good object

1358
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 1: a perfect object are ever changing, are impossible, always perpetually

1359
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: just out of breach. And how do you know, Because

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01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: even the most beautiful ten out of ten women in

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01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: this world don't feel perfect. They don't feel like they

1362
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: are always worthy of that love, or their images are

1363
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 1: getting edited one hundred percent of the time. They are

1364
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: still getting cheated on, They're still having major health issues,

1365
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 1: they are still going through the same difficulties that all

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01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: the rest of us are dealing with in our bodies

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01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: that are blawed compared to theirs. And I also just

1368
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: want to point out that these things that we want,

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01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: like what you said, we want love, we want confidence,

1370
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: we want these success in our careers. These are all

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01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: universal human desires. We want all of this, and yet

1372
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: men are able to achieve all of that without having

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01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: to have a body that is exactly perfect and up

1374
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: to these really particular standards. And I'm not saying it's

1375
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: not difficult for men because men are being faced with

1376
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: a whole variety of appearance related ideals and ideals on

1377
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 1: a variety of other factors about their success, their wealth,

1378
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: everything else. But for women, we have to have all

1379
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:31,439
Speaker 1: of those other attributes and always be judged by whether

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01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: or not we have a body that is perfect. And

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01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 1: the ideals for women are incredibly hard to achieve because

1382
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: they are based on thinness and youth, and you cannot

1383
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 1: have thinness in youth forever because our bodies change, and

1384
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 1: by our very nature, through puberty and through pregnancy and

1385
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 1: through all of the hormonal shifts and age and everything else.

1386
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 1: Our bodies are changing every single day. So this is

1387
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: a losing game, and when you try to play by

1388
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: that system, you fail, even when you are amazing in

1389
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 1: every other way. This just should point out to you

1390
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 1: how rigged the system is, and not how wrong and

1391
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: at fault you are. We all want all of those things,

1392
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: and we have been taught by well meaning family members,

1393
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: by the media that we've been surrounded by, especially the

1394
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: social media, but also movies and TV and everything, especially advertising,

1395
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 1: that in order the best way to achieve health, happiness, success,

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01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 1: empowerment and especially love and desirability is to be more hot,

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01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: to be thinner, to look younger, whatever. That is all

1398
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 1: not true. It is not true. I just want people

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01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 1: to be so critical when that thought enters our minds,

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01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 1: we think we are improving our lives by losing weight

1401
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:45,640
Speaker 1: or by getting the new cosmetic surgery or whatever procedures,

1402
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 1: when in reality, we are just striving for this bar

1403
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: of perfection that continues to be raised further and further

1404
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 1: out of reach, and the closer we get to it,

1405
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 1: the further we feel from it. So much of the

1406
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 1: time it is a losing system. But we can feel

1407
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: happy and confident and at home in our bodies regardless

1408
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: of how we look. Literally, this body that you're sitting

1409
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 1: in right now, I'm talking to everyone who's listening. This

1410
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 1: body that you are in right now, you can be

1411
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 1: at home in that body because it's yours. It does

1412
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: not matter what you look like or what you've done.

1413
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 1: And you might feel like, well, no, I don't deserve

1414
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 1: that because I have no self control and I haven't

1415
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: done all the right things and gotten all of my

1416
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 1: shit together. The reality is you are worthy of love,

1417
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 1: of empowerment, of confidence, no matter what you look like

1418
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 1: and what choices you've made, because you were born into

1419
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 1: this body, and this body is important and it's yours.

1420
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: We need to start from that standpoint that your body

1421
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: is your home, it's not your enemy.

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01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 2: I love that I put myself in the position then

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01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 2: to have you share that, because again it's back to

1424
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:59,839
Speaker 2: what you're saying, where we all have these feelings.

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01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 3: We're human and this is a real thing that we're

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01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 3: experiencing day in and day out.

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01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 2: And so as much as somebody can be so well

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01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 2: versed and so you know that the right things and

1429
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 2: you know the right way to see it, it doesn't

1430
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:15,680
Speaker 2: mean it's not going to creep in and try and

1431
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 2: come back at you all over again. Something that I

1432
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:23,600
Speaker 2: really feel that has helped me because it's also in

1433
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 2: this all these beauty trends and the fashion trends, and

1434
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 2: you need to be doing this cosmetic thing. To what

1435
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 2: you said, something that's really helped me is that I've

1436
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 2: taken the power back and all of that where I

1437
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 2: don't participate in trends unless it's something I love, unless

1438
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 2: it's something that shows up and I'm like, yeah, I

1439
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:44,839
Speaker 2: look good in skinny jeans.

1440
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 3: I look really good low.

1441
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 2: Rise, or you feel great because you decided to get botox.

1442
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 3: Cool.

1443
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 2: I love that for you.

1444
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 3: If you chose that for you, then I think that's

1445
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 3: what helps us a lot.

1446
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 2: To take the power away from it and say I

1447
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 2: like this because I do not because they're telling me

1448
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 2: to not because I'm seeing it on somebody else and

1449
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 2: it looks really good, and oh, I'm gonna make it

1450
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:12,720
Speaker 2: work on me. There are so many trends that come

1451
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 2: down I have. I learned this the very hard way,

1452
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 2: especially in my early twenties. So much does not look

1453
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 2: good on me that is not built for my body.

1454
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 2: I say that often, especially when it comes to the

1455
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 2: fashion industry. I have a very short torso I'm very short.

1456
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 2: Most things do not fit me. And I had to

1457
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 2: stop falling into the trap of the advertising and say

1458
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 2: I have to do this for me, and if I

1459
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 2: will like this trend for me, cool, I'll get it,

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01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 2: but I'm not gonna participate just because it's the cool

1461
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 2: thing to do. And taking that power back really helped me.

1462
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 3: I like that.

1463
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so much freedom. I think sometimes that comes

1464
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 1: with age a little bit, where it's like I remember

1465
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 1: the last time that trend was around, and it didn't

1466
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 1: look out on me then and when I was in

1467
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 1: seventh grade trying so hard. I don't have to do that.

1468
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 1: Now I'm thirty nine years old. I get to wear

1469
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 1: Guinea jeans as long as I want to, or I

1470
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:07,640
Speaker 1: wasted jeans even when low rise jeans are coming back,

1471
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 1: because I know that I physically cannot withstand another round

1472
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 1: of low rise jens.

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01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 3: I can't exactly.

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01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 2: And I hope that having conversations like this and grains

1475
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 2: it even sooner for people in their lives we've had to.

1476
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:22,839
Speaker 2: Your point is it comes with age, it comes with wisdom.

1477
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 2: But I hope that us talking about it and grains

1478
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 2: it even earlier and continues that, and maybe someday we

1479
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:31,719
Speaker 2: finally push it all the way back and there isn't

1480
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 2: this lingering thing that's existing.

1481
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 3: Out in society. Long game. I love a long game.

1482
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 1: So we are here for that totally.

1483
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're fighting that hard, Vive, But lindsay, thank you

1484
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 2: for joining me, thank you for being on.

1485
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 3: Is there anything else.

1486
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 2: You want to make sure you want everybody to hear

1487
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:47,799
Speaker 2: that you feel is so so important.

1488
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: I would say that I would put this all in

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01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 1: this model of body image resilience. I mentioned that word,

1490
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 1: and I just want to point out that the last

1491
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 1: things we were just talking about, you know, wanting to

1492
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 1: be able to feel good and make choices that help

1493
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: you feel more comfortable rather than more at odds with

1494
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 1: your body, All of that fits in this model of

1495
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 1: body image resilience. Where we start out what we call

1496
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: a state of normative discontent, where most of us feel

1497
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 1: pretty crappy and uncomfortable in our bodies, our body image

1498
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 1: is poor. Then we are always faced with what we

1499
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 1: call these disruptions to your body image, something that makes

1500
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 1: you question or rethink your relationship with your body. So

1501
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 1: it might be comments from another person about how you look.

1502
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:35,759
Speaker 1: It could be going through a breakup, pregnancy, really, anything

1503
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: that makes you change your relationship or your view of

1504
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: your own body. We are forced to respond to those things.

1505
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 1: So some of us will respond and try to feel

1506
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:48,839
Speaker 1: okay and ease that shame that we feel by numbing ourselves.

1507
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 1: And I call that sinking deeper into shame. So maybe

1508
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 1: you numb yourself through disordered eating, or through compulsive over exercise,

1509
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 1: or abuse of alcohol or drugs or anything like that.

1510
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 1: Cutting self harm fits in that category the other things

1511
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:07,719
Speaker 1: you just mentioned, where you're trying out the latest fashion trends,

1512
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 1: or you are planning for the next cosmetic procedure, maybe

1513
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:14,719
Speaker 1: you're getting botox, maybe you're saving up for rest augmentation,

1514
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: or whatever the thing is that you think you need

1515
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 1: to fix. All of that is a way we try

1516
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 1: to keep ourselves, keep that shame at bay, and just

1517
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 1: stay comfortable and stay in that comfort zone. Unfortunately, those

1518
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: things don't last very long. So even if you do

1519
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 1: get the botox, and you do get the new fashion,

1520
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 1: whatever you do, go on the liquid cleanse for the weekend,

1521
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 1: it doesn't ultimately solve your problem because we come back

1522
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:40,639
Speaker 1: to the same place we always were, that normative discontent,

1523
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 1: and we're always going to be disrupted from that state

1524
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: of normative discontent. The way out is to start building

1525
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 1: your body image resilience. So when you're faced with a disruption,

1526
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 1: the next time you read a negative comment about yourself,

1527
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: you see a video or a picture of yourself that

1528
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 1: you hate. If you gain weight because of a health

1529
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 1: problem or whatever the thing is, that's when you're disrupted.

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Speaker 1: Your shame is at the surface, and you can choose

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Speaker 1: how you respond to that. You could do the same

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Speaker 1: things you've always done, and maybe it's through prescription drugs

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Speaker 1: or self harm or a crash diet, or you could say,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be in that same cycle for

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Speaker 1: the rest of my life. I don't want to slap

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Speaker 1: a band aid on it. I instead want to build

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Speaker 1: these skills to be able to respond better this time

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Speaker 1: and next time, and next time at next time, and

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Speaker 1: it gets easier every single time. That's what I want

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Speaker 1: people to know. You might still be struggling now at

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01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 1: this at your old age, but you don't have to

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Speaker 1: struggle this much the next time a disruption comes along.

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Speaker 1: And that is if you take the time now to

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01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 1: learn how to come back to your body as your home,

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01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 1: to see your body as your ally instead of your enemy.

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01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 1: And you do that through building up your media literacy,

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01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 1: learning to question media images, learning to curate your social

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01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 1: media feeds and all of the images that you take

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01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 1: in because they are teaching you what is valuable and

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01:15:57,560 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 1: what makes you okay or not okay every single day.

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Speaker 1: You need to use your body as an instrument instead

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01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 1: of an ornament. Learn how your health and fitness really

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01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:09,640
Speaker 1: can be defined personally for you, and how you can

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Speaker 1: build that and grow it in ways that are really empowering.

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Speaker 1: There are ten thousand other things you can do. I

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Speaker 1: would highly recommend starting with my book More Than a Body.

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Speaker 1: Your body is an instrument, not an ornament. There's a

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Speaker 1: workbook that goes along with it, called the Official Workbook

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01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 1: for More Than a Body that Lexi and I just

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Speaker 1: published last year, and it has these daily tips and

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01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 1: strategies that literally walks you through this process to build

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Speaker 1: your body, image, resilience. And there's ten thousand other ways.

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Speaker 1: You could follow us online at Beauty Underscore Redefined to

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Speaker 1: see some of those other tips in action. But I

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Speaker 1: still love people to know this is achievable, this is doable.

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Speaker 1: I'm almost forty. I'm thirty nine. From a very very

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Speaker 1: young age, was so self conscious, so fixated on how

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Speaker 1: I looked and just felt disgusting. And I sit here

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Speaker 1: today bigger than I ever thought i'd be at this age.

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Speaker 1: I'm still single, I have a great life. I say

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Speaker 1: those things thinking that if I saw myself, my sixteen

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Speaker 1: year old self, if I knew that I was going

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Speaker 1: to weigh this much and be single and whatever other things,

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Speaker 1: I would be horrified. But I sit here truly at peace, happy,

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Speaker 1: feeling great, feeling successful in all of these ways regardless

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Speaker 1: of how I look. And I am able to be

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Speaker 1: at peace because I have built my body, body image

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Speaker 1: resilience by facing these disruptions head on and proving to

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Speaker 1: myself that I am fine, that I am okay, and

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Speaker 1: I am at home in my body, and I know

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Speaker 1: everyone can do the exact same thing. So that's what

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Speaker 1: I'll leave you with a long winded way of saying

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Speaker 1: that you are fine and you're gonna do great.

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Speaker 2: No, it's perfect. It's a testament. You're not only preaching it,

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Speaker 2: you practice it. You're living the lifestyle that you want

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Speaker 2: other people to be able to also live. I love

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Speaker 2: the work that you guys are doing, and thank you

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Speaker 2: for shouting all those things out and sharing just all

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Speaker 2: the different pieces. I think it's helpful in our journeys

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Speaker 2: as we continue to fight the good fight and keep

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Speaker 2: fighting for ourselves. I think that's very important. So thank

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Speaker 2: you for being here, Thanks for talking with me.

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Speaker 1: Of course, thank you if.

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Speaker 3: You're new to this podcast.

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Speaker 2: Every episode features a different topic that I've found are

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Speaker 2: very important to discuss through ways of experts to give

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Speaker 2: us tools and and understanding and then friends who share

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Speaker 2: their journeys of hardship. We've talked friendships, careers, dating, grief, therapy, relationships,

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Speaker 2: mental health, confidence, you name it as always, thank you

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Speaker 2: for being here, and I'll talk to you all next

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Speaker 2: week