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Speaker 1: All right, we are pleased now to be joined by

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Speaker 1: longtime Big League believer Tommy Cainley. Tommy, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us. How's free agency treating you?

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Speaker 2: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: I'm here, Uh, to be honest, I haven't really gotten

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Speaker 3: into any free agency stuff yet, so I'm sure it's

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Speaker 3: gonna be picking up here in the next few weeks.

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Speaker 3: You know, we got I think the owner of meetings

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Speaker 3: at the end of the month, and uh yeah, it

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Speaker 3: should be interesting. Right now, just kind of enjoying the

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Speaker 3: family time at home. My daughter's birthday is today. She's

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Speaker 3: turning four, so it's gonna be a chaos when she

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Speaker 3: wakes up from nap here.

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Speaker 2: Before the way.

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Speaker 4: By the way, happy birthday to your daughter. But the

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Speaker 4: shirt's tired. And by the way, how are they ranked

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Speaker 4: ahead of Miami? But Miami beat him? It doesn't make

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Speaker 4: any sense bias joining conference anyways.

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Speaker 2: This way.

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Speaker 4: One team beat the other team. And here's here's my bone.

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Speaker 4: I have to pick with you. I see you in

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Speaker 4: the playoffs, right and I and you're on you know

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Speaker 4: you're sitting there, you're on the phone. I just walk

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Speaker 4: up to you and just try to give you knuckles,

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Speaker 4: shake your hand. You don't even acknowledge my existence, you know.

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Speaker 4: And then we walk into the clubhouse in Seattle, and

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Speaker 4: I think the Eagles were losing, so you had. The

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Speaker 4: Phillies lost, the Eagles lost, the Yankees lost, Notre Dame

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Speaker 4: probably had lost that weekend. You were just not a

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Speaker 4: happy person, Tommy. Don't take it out on me because

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Speaker 4: all of your teams were losing at the same time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you. It's that passion, man. I don't tell you.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: He's always there for everything, fandom. I loved it, always

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Speaker 3: there by the way. I love the fact that you're not.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I just walk in there and your teammates

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Speaker 3: were all over.

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Speaker 4: You about the Eagle. I think the Eagles had lost,

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Speaker 4: the Notre Dame had, I don't know they were. They

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Speaker 4: were all over you. I had never seen teammates get

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Speaker 4: on one guy more than they were. Just they just

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Speaker 4: were piling on. It was fun to watch.

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Speaker 3: I've been dealing it with with it for my entire life.

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Speaker 3: So that's from friends from some weird you know, grade

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Speaker 3: school through high school, onto my college buddies, my minor

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Speaker 3: league buddies, everybody Cratzy sure has seen it.

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Speaker 2: He's seen it.

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Speaker 5: You are a target? Why Why are you a target?

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Speaker 5: Why do you think that is?

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Speaker 4: Why?

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Speaker 5: Why do you think that is? Let's tell them to it.

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Speaker 2: I like to wear my stuff. I like to flaunt it.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know what ty.

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Speaker 5: You have two lockers. You have two lockers, one with

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Speaker 5: your baseball stuff and one with all your jerseys. So

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Speaker 5: you flaunt your team and then when they win, you say, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm baby, it's not wrong. Hey, what are you gonna do?

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Speaker 5: All right? So you ride the highs of your team?

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Speaker 5: How did you did you ride the highs of your

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Speaker 5: season this year? We talk about it, We talk about

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Speaker 5: it all the time. You you know, the Tigers were

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Speaker 5: nails the beginning of the season and then struggled in

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Speaker 5: the second half. Everybody knows it. Did you feel like

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Speaker 5: your struggles were part of your personal struggles were part

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Speaker 5: of the team struggles. Did you feel like it was

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Speaker 5: something that you were starting to get worn out? It

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Speaker 5: was the most innings you had thrown in a season

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Speaker 5: since I think nineteen, But before that it was like

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Speaker 5: when you were a baby, Like what was it that

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Speaker 5: for you personally kind of made the struggles? But then

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Speaker 5: also like how do you during that time, how do

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Speaker 5: you try to get back to like being you, being

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Speaker 5: the Tommy Kinley that had like a one to five,

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Speaker 5: one seven ERA in the first half of the season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think it was a culmination of everything. I mean, I,

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Speaker 3: like you said, it's been six years since I pitched

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Speaker 3: I was fighting through like a little bit of a

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Speaker 3: of that. You know, shoulders starts barking a little bit

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Speaker 2: Going out there and contributing.

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Speaker 3: But uh, at the same time, you know, obviously that's

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Speaker 2: So it was, uh, it was going hand in hand.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think, uh, you know, our struggles kind

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Speaker 3: like this this stuff happened.

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Speaker 2: Like you know, you're on good teams. I've seen this happen.

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Speaker 2: You go through spells where you lose you know, five.

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Speaker 3: Six, seven, eight, nine games in a row, and then

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Speaker 3: next thing you know, you flip switch during the corner

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Speaker 3: and you're back off. But I felt like, you know,

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Speaker 3: it happened a couple of times. Maybe it's just snowball

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Speaker 3: too much for us, and we just never kind of

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Speaker 3: those first couple of months. It kind of flashed here

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Speaker 3: and there in the playoffs, I feel like, but it

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Speaker 3: just never really culminated to the team. We were those

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Speaker 3: first you know, three four months of the season, and

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Speaker 3: I mean I was, you know, not generally too happy

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Speaker 3: with my performance in July.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, so.

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Speaker 3: Looking back on it, I mean, obviously that one month

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Speaker 3: was killer, But overall, I feel like, you know, I

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Speaker 3: finally pitched an entire season, you know, being able to

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Speaker 3: contribute and helping the team. Maybe not through that time,

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Speaker 3: but overall, you know, the entire season, I feel like, I,

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Speaker 3: you know, I did a pretty good job.

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Speaker 2: Maybe the numbers.

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Speaker 3: Don't show it, but hey, I feel like, you know,

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Speaker 3: I stuck with it, hung in there. You know, mentally,

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Speaker 3: it's tough to go through times like that, so to

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Speaker 3: I think is when I started to kind of re

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Speaker 3: regain that form again, and it tried to help these

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Speaker 4: I think y'all did a great job. You guys went

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Speaker 4: through what you went through. Then you beat Cleveland, you

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Speaker 4: beat them to go to the next round, and you,

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Speaker 4: you know, whatever you want to say about the next

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Speaker 4: series was one of the best series I was ever

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Speaker 4: a part of. Those five games are unbelievable, like ups

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Speaker 4: and downs and ins and outs and twists and turns.

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Speaker 4: But what does it mean Because you mentioned you were struggling.

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Speaker 4: I know this when I talked to Hinch, he never

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Speaker 4: lost faith in you, right, and he would still put

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Speaker 4: you out there. He puts you in situations. So what

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Speaker 4: does that mean as a player that even though you think,

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Speaker 4: oh man, I'm really kind of struggling, but Hinch just

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Speaker 4: kept running you out there in all kinds of situations.

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Speaker 4: I mean, as for me as a former player, I

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Speaker 4: would say, all right, this guy believes in me. Maybe

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Speaker 4: I am still pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely. You know, I went through probably a

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Speaker 3: few weeks there where I kind of just got kind

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Speaker 3: was really you know, he kept going to me, and

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Speaker 3: I wanted the ball I mean, it's not like I'm

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Speaker 3: and not performing is that's that's the that's the name

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Speaker 3: the season. He definitely agreed with me on that one.

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Speaker 3: I feel like it just kind of snowballed a little

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Speaker 3: here and there and just going, oh gosh. But he

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Speaker 3: and later in the season I started pitching those late

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Speaker 3: if I just recognize it sooner and you think, you know,

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Speaker 3: I've been in the league for over ten years now,

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Speaker 3: I would have probably figured that out by now.

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Speaker 2: But still learning, so that's.

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Speaker 5: Always always making adjustments. I want to go to that

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Speaker 5: game five I want to go to what you're watching.

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Speaker 5: You're watching your offense. And I joked about it on here,

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Speaker 5: like had the Tigers continued to play, I don't know

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Speaker 5: that you guys would have.

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Speaker 2: Scored a run.

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Speaker 5: Do you see a difference in hitters approaches when it

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Speaker 5: comes to extra innings in the playoffs, because normally you

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Speaker 5: get a run around second and it's like, well, you

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Speaker 5: know what, this is probably going to be done here,

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Speaker 5: oh blooper base it, Okay, we're going Do you see

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Speaker 5: a difference because when we got into extra innings in

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Speaker 5: that game, but when you guys, we I was just

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Speaker 5: watching the game. AJ was sleeping on the broadcast. Is

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Speaker 5: there like a are you sitting in the bullpen? Like,

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Speaker 5: like strike out, pop up, strikeout, pop up, ending over.

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Speaker 3: I mean you've been in the bullpen, you know, you know,

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Speaker 3: we we definitely have a lot of stress balls down there.

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Speaker 3: Maybe a couple of times I was like that, but

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Speaker 3: still just like sitting there just waiting, you know, trying

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Speaker 3: to enjoy it. I know a lot of the other

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Speaker 3: guys seemed a little bit stressed out. I mean, it

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Speaker 3: makes sense you're younger. I was like that when I

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Speaker 3: was young, in those playoff situations, like you're ever gonna score?

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Speaker 3: Like can we get it done? But you know, I

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Speaker 3: kept believing, you know, these guys are gonna get it.

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Speaker 3: But uh, you know, obviously we didn't push one across.

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Speaker 3: You know, the crazy amount of scenarios for both teams

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Speaker 3: to you know, push it across sooner.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it was, Uh, it was definitely.

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Speaker 3: I could see the stress and it was getting bigger

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Speaker 3: and bigger, so it was mounting. So it sucks, it does,

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Speaker 3: but you know, it was a It was a hell

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Speaker 2: Twenty four to seven.

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Speaker 4: In video games, you forgot the video games, forgot the

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Speaker 4: the most important thing. Now, you went through a little

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Speaker 3: And but I mean, obviously, if you don't, sometimes offers

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Speaker 3: I haven't I know, I'm gonna have a discussion here

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Speaker 4: Okay, so you do pay attention a little bit, so

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Speaker 4: I know, but it was it was. It was great

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Speaker 3: I can't do anything about that any now, so I

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you guys. Awesome, See you boys,