1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:02,279 Speaker 1: Music Saved Me. I'm Len Hoffman. 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Music Saved Me Podcast. I have a question, 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 2: what of the thing that almost broke you became the 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 2: thing that defined you well. Today's guest spent nearly two 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 2: decades rebuilding his life one road mile at a time, 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 2: and now, under a new name and with a new sound, 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: he's sharing the most honest music of his entire career. 8 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 2: There are artists who make music, and then there are 9 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: artists whose music makes meaning out of the wreckage, and 10 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 2: today's guest is the second kind. You may know him 11 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 2: as Trey Lewis, but on this episode of Music Saved Me, 12 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 2: we're welcoming him as Thomason, the name on his birth certificate, 13 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: the name on his new White Van EP, and the 14 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: name he says represents the most soul bearing work of 15 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: his life. Nearly twenty years sober, hundreds of small rooms 16 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: with empty tip jars, a journey shaped by redemption, roots, 17 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: and the kind of hard earned clarity that only comes 18 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: with time. The White Fan e PP is four songs, 19 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: but it carries a lifetime with it. 20 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to quote him. 21 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: I'm the last of my bloodline, and it's important to 22 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: me that I share my story. I'm so excited Trey 23 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 2: Lewis Thomasin will share that story starting next on Music 24 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: Save Me, Don't Go Anywhere. 25 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: Music Saved Me. Thomasin, Welcome to Music Save Me. It's 26 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: great to have you on the show. It really is. 27 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 3: I mean, I've follow you for having me. I'm great 28 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 3: to be here. 29 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: Well, you've been known as Trey Lewis and you have 30 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 2: quite a large fan base with that name, and now 31 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 2: you're stepping in to a new role and it's Thomasin. 32 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 2: Which is your last name, which was your given last name? 33 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 2: What does that shift mean to you personally? 34 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 3: It's just really cool. 35 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, as a as a creator, 36 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 4: it's really given me another Like so when my when 37 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 4: I had my big viral moment and everything just kind 38 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 4: of went haywire. I signed a publishing deal at Sony 39 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 4: Music Publishing, and I started to really write songs like 40 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 4: every day, not just you know, when the inspiration hit 41 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 4: or when I first moved into Ashville, I was just 42 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 4: you know, meeting people and trying to book my own 43 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 4: rights and stuff. But when I signed a piece of 44 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 4: paper that was like, hey, you're going to write songs 45 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 4: for us. 46 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 3: For a living. 47 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 4: I really started writing every single day and having to 48 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 4: force the creativity and do and in doing that, I 49 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 4: wrote a lot of like serious songs, because you know, 50 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 4: you can't just write a funny song every day, because 51 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 4: you're not in a funny mood every day. 52 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 3: And the more and more. 53 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 4: I wrote songs, I you know, realized, I was like, man, 54 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 4: I have like a hundred serious songs here in this 55 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 4: you know file. 56 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 3: What am I supposed to do with these? 57 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 4: You know? 58 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 3: I will say too. 59 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 4: It's also become like it's like a creatively freeing thing 60 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 4: because one day I do want to write a silly 61 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 4: song for my tray, little stuff, I can, And then 62 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 4: if I want to write something serious, something that's a 63 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 4: little more important to me. 64 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 3: I can tap into that as well. 65 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: I think that's genius. 66 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 4: By the way, Thank you, thank you, my manager. It 67 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 4: was something that thomasin thing is something that I thought 68 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:17,119 Speaker 4: about a lot, just laying in bed dreaming at night. 69 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 3: And one morning my manager called me and was like, man, 70 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 3: I was having a. 71 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 4: Conversation with our new distributor today and we were just 72 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 4: kind of talking about the different things you do as 73 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 4: an artist and how sometimes it's a little bit of 74 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 4: a braining issue and whatnot, and he said that they 75 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 4: had mentioned it almost makes sense if Trey had two 76 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 4: different artists pages. And then like, as soon as he 77 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 4: said that, I was like, dude, this is something that 78 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 4: I thought about doing a million times. I just didn't 79 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 4: want to say anything because I didn't want to, like, 80 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 4: you know, it's a lot, because that is a lot 81 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 4: of work. It's double the releases, double the social media posting. 82 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 4: In a world where everything is like, you know, you're 83 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 4: trying to create so much content to like, you know, 84 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 4: even just to keep up, think about doing double is 85 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 4: just absolutely crazy. 86 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: But well it is twenty twenty six Thompson. 87 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: Could we could actually clone you at some point, I'm 88 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 2: sure and you can use it. 89 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 3: Yeah. 90 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 2: No, But that's really really unique and fun and it 91 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: is a lot of work. But it's work that you 92 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: seem to be up to the challenge with and you've 93 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 2: you've had you've had some obstacles in life to get 94 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: where you are, and you know, to be willing to 95 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: share the funny side of you but also the serious side, 96 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 2: which is where you're at right now, really putting it 97 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: all out there. Your last album, you did that with 98 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: sort of it was sort of the in between moments. 99 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: But is this sort of a reinvention or is it 100 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: more like arriving at who you were supposed to always be. 101 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 3: I think it's more of a riving of where I 102 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 3: was always supposed to be. 103 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 4: I feel like before I had a you know, even 104 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 4: as Trey Lewis, before I had a song of our All, 105 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 4: the kind of music that I'm putting out with thomasin 106 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 4: right now is kind of the music that I was 107 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 4: doing before that happened. 108 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 3: It was a hell of a detour, you know. 109 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was it was fun and I had 110 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 4: a great time. But uh, I feel like now I'm 111 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 4: just kind of like getting back to more of who 112 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 4: I was. And I would say the hard you know, 113 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 4: the hard working middle class musician, you know, like that 114 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 4: that kind of type of stuff. 115 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: So absolutely, I mean, when you're doing things that are 116 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 2: authentic to who you are, it should be easy, it 117 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 2: should flow. So it sounds like it has been so 118 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 2: far for you. I mean, you've described this work sort 119 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 2: of as your as your most proud work to date, 120 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 2: and that's that's big statement, especially for someone with your catalog, 121 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 2: which I definitely want to get into. What makes White 122 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 2: Van feel different this time, before everything that came before it. 123 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 4: Well, I'd put two singles out before White Band, a 124 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 4: song called Lucky One that I wrote about my best 125 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 4: friend Trip that passed away when I was about three 126 00:05:58,839 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 4: years sober. 127 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 3: And then I put out. 128 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 4: Another song called AA, which is a song about how 129 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,119 Speaker 4: you know I got sober. So I feel like those 130 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 4: two songs were kind of like the introduction, and then 131 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 4: the EP is kind of like, Okay, I'm here, here's 132 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 4: four songs that you know, say what this whole deal 133 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 4: is about. But I just feel like it's just ideas 134 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,559 Speaker 4: or like songs that some of them are very old, 135 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 4: you know, some of my had sitting in the pile. 136 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 4: White Band was actually an idea that I came up 137 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 4: with in twenty twenty one, right right after I had 138 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 4: first moved to Nashville. And I remember back then, I 139 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 4: was like, man, I don't know how to write this 140 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 4: song right now. I wasn't the songwriter that I am now. 141 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 4: Back then, I was like, I'm just going to hold 142 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 4: onto this idea until I get a little bit better 143 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,119 Speaker 4: and get some reps in. And I had to write 144 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 4: with Nate Kenya and far and Rachel's and we sat 145 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 4: down and we wrote it in like an hour and 146 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 4: a half and I was. 147 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 3: Like, this is what I'm talking about. 148 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, Well, like you said, you shelved that 149 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 2: song for so long and then it flowed because you 150 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 2: pulled it right in. But I'd love to know the significance. 151 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 2: Can can you walk us through the track? Does it 152 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: have to do with the treatment facility that you interview? 153 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 4: And two thousand and seven, I went to treatment for 154 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 4: a drug and alcohol addiction. I was there for six months, 155 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 4: and know, I was there for two weeks and then 156 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 4: I got out of there and I went to I 157 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 4: lived in a halfway house for six months, and I 158 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 4: did everything they told me to do. They told me 159 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 4: to get a sponsor, go twelve step meetings, pray, meditate. 160 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 3: Read the book, you know all those things. 161 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 4: And I did all those things and it, honestly, it 162 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 4: saved my life and changed my life. 163 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 3: And once I was. 164 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 4: Like sober, and you know, I started sponsoring other people 165 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 4: and doing things like that. 166 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 3: I went back because I dropped out of high school. 167 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 3: I went back. 168 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 4: I got my ged and then I got a job 169 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 4: working at the treatment center that I was once a 170 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 4: patient at. 171 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 3: And I worked there for six years. 172 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 4: And while I was working there, I was also playing gigs, 173 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 4: but I didn't get a guitar until I got sober. 174 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 4: So I started playing little like gigs at like little 175 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 4: bars and stuff like that. So I would do that 176 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 4: four nights a week, and then I would work at 177 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 4: the treatment center three nights a week, and I would 178 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 4: drive the van and I would play my guitar for 179 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 4: the patients. And it was such a really it was 180 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:27,119 Speaker 4: a really cool job to have, and I really enjoyed it, 181 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 4: and I was really good at it because I had 182 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 4: the experience of being in that in that position before, 183 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 4: and so I worked there. 184 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 3: And then when I moved to Nashville and. 185 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 4: Quit my job and decided to be a full time musician, 186 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 4: and I started touring a lot. And when I moved 187 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 4: up here, I was like, Okay, well, if I'm to 188 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 4: be torn a lot, I can't be doing it in 189 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 4: this old suv. 190 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 3: So I went and bought a white van. 191 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 4: And it's funny because, like you know, I was like 192 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 4: working at a treatment center, I was driving. 193 00:08:59,440 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 3: This white van. 194 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 4: And then I like moved to Nashville to chase my dream, 195 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 4: and I'm driving a white van there. 196 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 3: So that's kind of like. 197 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: You're manifesting all of this stuff. 198 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I've spent so much time in a white band, 199 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 4: and it's not like a white band with candy, you know, right. 200 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 4: But I feel like the song does a good job 201 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 4: of kind of like I remember that one of the 202 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 4: first times I played the song for my publisher, we 203 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 4: listened to it again after I turned it in and 204 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 4: she was like, this song's awesome. I was like, yeah, 205 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 4: you know, I used to work at a treatment center 206 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 4: and she was like, no, I had no idea. It's 207 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 4: even better now. 208 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's the stories behind the songs, especially when they're 209 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: connected to the artist, seemed to be extremely They resonate 210 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 2: with people. Is it surprising to you how many people 211 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 2: resonate not only with the comedy side of you, but 212 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 2: with the seriousness of all of this and what you. 213 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 3: Shl Yeah, it's been really cool. 214 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 4: I mean just the so like, I wrote a song 215 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 4: called three Feet Tall that an artist Coach Swindell, put 216 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 4: out a couple of years ago. And when I when 217 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 4: I wrote that song and then it came out it 218 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 4: was my first major label cut. 219 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 3: I was super pumped. 220 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 4: I got a bunch of texts from like people in 221 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 4: the town, in the industry, like you know, different songwriters, 222 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 4: things like that, and that made me feel good, you know. 223 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 3: And it's like, and. 224 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 4: That's how I knew that, like I had written something 225 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 4: good enough, you know, to earn the respect of my peers, 226 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 4: if that makes sense. 227 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 5: Yeah. 228 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 4: And but I've been getting the same kind of messages 229 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 4: with this project and the things that I've put out, 230 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 4: and I would say it feels really good because I'm 231 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 4: just being my true, authentic self. 232 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 3: I don't have to really try really hard. 233 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 4: To create these songs, to put playlists together of like 234 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 4: what songs I may want to drop next. It all, 235 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 4: like you were saying, it all just kind of flows 236 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 4: really easy. 237 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 3: Because it's all just one hundred percent me. 238 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 4: My whole goal with this was like, I don't care 239 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 4: if you know three people listen to it. I like it, 240 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 4: I'm proud of it, I'm happy, I like the work, 241 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 4: and I'm just going to do this. So it's been 242 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 4: really cool to get that positive feedback. 243 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 2: I bet, and you do it really well. Will I 244 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 2: Die On opens the EP with a celebration of home 245 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 2: and family and simplicity, which I love. After everything that 246 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 2: you've been through. How did you arrive at the clarity 247 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 2: that the simple things are the things that really matter 248 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 2: in life. 249 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 4: I think that life has its way of just I 250 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 4: don't want to say beating you down, but you know, 251 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 4: life's hard, it's not you know, it's not easy. And 252 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 4: I think that in the especially in the social media 253 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 4: world we live in and the self comparison world we 254 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 4: live in, it's like, if you do that enough, you're 255 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 4: either gonna get really depressed or you're gonna get to 256 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 4: a point where you're like, okay, well, and. 257 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 3: That's the point I reached. 258 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 4: I was like, I just got to a point where 259 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 4: I was like, you know, death scrolling in my bed. 260 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 4: I'm just like, well, why is it my life like this? 261 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 4: I must be a loser, you know, or like whatever. 262 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 3: Now. 263 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 4: I finally just reached a point in my life where 264 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 4: I was like, you know what, Like I might not 265 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 4: have the biggest record out there, or I might not 266 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 4: have the biggest name out there, but you know, I 267 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 4: do have fans, and I do play shows, and I 268 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,719 Speaker 4: do make the living doing what I love. All that 269 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 4: other stuff is just noise and the things that matter. 270 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 4: Am I a good brother, Am I a good son? 271 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 4: Am I a good fiance? 272 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 3: You know? Am I a good friend? And those are you. 273 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 4: Know, just to it just takes you back to keeping 274 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 4: it simple, like they like, I've learned in AA and. 275 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 3: That's just kind of how I arrived at that point. 276 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: Keep it stupid simple. Someone taught me that. 277 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 3: I think that's Keith Fitzgerald said that to me. 278 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 5: Kit. 279 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the kiss method. 280 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, keep it simple, stupid. 281 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a wonderful Congratulations on the recent engagement. 282 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 1: That's exciting stuff. 283 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. 284 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 2: Very exciting and your recent move to Nashville. I want 285 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 2: to talk about another song on this almost Kings. It's 286 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 2: a tribute to a close friend that you kind of 287 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 2: mentioned lately upfront and your former guitar player, the long 288 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 2: Drives the empty tip Jars. You spoke up playing in 289 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 2: those small venues. What do you want people to feel 290 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 2: when they hear that song? 291 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 4: I mean, I think what I want people to feel 292 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 4: is maybe you know, I've had a couple of people 293 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 4: reach out to me and they're like, man, this is 294 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 4: my favorite thing you've ever done. It reminds me and 295 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 4: my buddy when I was young. We don't talk anymore, 296 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 4: but like it just reminds me of all the stuff 297 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 4: that we used to get into together. 298 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 3: And I think that's cool. Like, I don't ever like 299 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 3: want somebody to listen to my song and interpret it 300 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 3: the way that I do, you know what I mean. 301 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 4: I want them to have their own experience, if that 302 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 4: makes sense, because songs can just mean so many different 303 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 4: things to me. But when I wrote that song, that 304 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 4: was an idea that I'd kind of fixated on for 305 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 4: a while, and I wrote it with one of my 306 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 4: favorite co writers in the world, Mat McKinney, and we 307 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 4: just got together at his house and we wrote it 308 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 4: and it was one of those ones that just fell 309 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 4: out on the page just because he's seen that whole 310 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 4: friendship and that whole dynamic, not. 311 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 3: From start to end, but towards more towards the end 312 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 3: of it. 313 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 4: And I would say the coolest thing about that song 314 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 4: was right after I wrote it, I sent it to 315 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 4: Terry Adams, the guy that the song is about, and 316 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 4: his response was, he said, man, this is so good. 317 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 3: It got me emotional. 318 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 2: You know, now this is your former guitar player, former 319 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: guitar player. 320 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, And ultimately, in the end, you know, he just 321 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 4: he just had to walk away and go raise kids, 322 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 4: and you know so. 323 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 2: Mad respect for that that you know, he knew what 324 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: his limits and what his calling was, what he needed 325 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 2: to do for himself, and he did it. And for 326 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 2: you to support it as opposed to it ripping things apart, 327 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 2: and you both, you know, continue to lift each other up. 328 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 2: That's so special, right, It's not an easy relationship to 329 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 2: find in life. 330 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's a forever friendship. 331 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. 332 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 4: I mean we're always like, like I said a million times, 333 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 4: me and him are always brothers. I think when you 334 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 4: spend you know, twelve years on the road with somebody, 335 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 4: you spend more time with them than you do your 336 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 4: own family because you're just playing shows and you're just 337 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 4: traveling all the time. 338 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 3: So we ain't blood, but I think we'll always be brothers. 339 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 5: We'll be right back with more of the Music Saved 340 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 5: Me Podcast. Welcome back to the Music Saved Me Podcast. 341 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: Family Name another song. 342 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 2: It hits particularly hard because you describe yourself as the 343 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 2: last of your bloodline. I read I think I just read. 344 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 2: I can't remember where it was, But what's the weight 345 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 2: of that reality? How did that bring any peace around 346 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 2: that decision? 347 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 3: Yeah? 348 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 4: I would say family names probably the heaviest lyric infoe 349 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 4: in the entire thing, because it might rob some people. 350 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 4: I don't think everybody feels that way with the with 351 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 4: the family name stuff, you know. 352 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 3: But that's just a personal choice, you know. 353 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 4: I think that fundamentally, deep down, every single one of 354 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 4: us is like I think everybody wants to have kids 355 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 4: and stuff. 356 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 3: Like that when they're younger. 357 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 4: But it's like the life that I live, I've lived, 358 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 4: and the older I get, I just, you know, kind 359 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 4: of made that decision that I don't want to have kids, 360 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 4: and you know yourself, right, So my mom's still alive, 361 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 4: but my dad passed away when I was twenty six. 362 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 3: And my dad was like my best friend and he 363 00:16:57,960 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 3: was a great father. 364 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 4: You know, he was at every every single baseball game, 365 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 4: dance recidal for my sister, like he is always there. 366 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 3: And I just know that if I had a son, 367 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 3: I would. 368 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 4: Miss a lot of things because I would be on 369 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 4: the road doing my you know, doing my things. 370 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 3: So that's say, that's kind of like one of them. 371 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 3: I wouldn't be able to be the dad. 372 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 4: That my dad was, and that was kind of like 373 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 4: one of the reasons. But it's just just a personal choice, 374 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 4: you know. And then my fiance she doesn't want kids, 375 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 4: so it just kind of worked out great. 376 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 2: Well, I can share a little something with you. I 377 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 2: don't have kids, nice, and I knew the same thing 378 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 2: that you knew. I love children. I love all the 379 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 2: children and my family and all my friends' kids. But 380 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: I made a decision when I was younger, and I 381 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 2: hooked up with someone who had the same We didn't know, 382 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 2: but we knew what we wanted to do, and it 383 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 2: always felt really weird, kind of like I could tell, 384 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 2: like ad sense that your whole body line it's changed 385 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 2: when you wanted to talk about it, because it is 386 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 2: strange to talk about that. You don't talk about that 387 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 2: a lot with people, especially that. So I just wanted 388 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 2: to share with you to let you know that I 389 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: understand exactly. 390 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 3: Telling somebody you know what I mean. 391 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever it is, you're just being honest, and you're 392 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 2: just being you, and you're allowed to be whoever you 393 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 2: want to be. 394 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: And if someone doesn't agree with it, that'sn't your. 395 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 3: Problem, right. 396 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: What other people think is in your business anyway, right, 397 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 2: as long as they like your music. 398 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's right. As long as they listen 399 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 3: to a couple of times. You know, no, No, I 400 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 3: love it. 401 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 2: You said you've always wanted to create music that your 402 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 2: family would be proud of. 403 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: I did read that. 404 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 2: When you finally listen back to this EP, all put 405 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 2: together and completed, do you feel like you've gotten there? 406 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 3: I really do, you know, I really do not that. 407 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 4: I don't think, you know, dig down in Dallas, like 408 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 4: my dad probably think that's hilarious, that that's the. 409 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 3: Song that changed my life, you know. 410 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 4: And my mom has been super supportive through all of it. 411 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 4: My grand father when when he was here, he was 412 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 4: super supportive of it. But I really just want to 413 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 4: like make records that they could play for somebody that 414 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 4: needed something, you know, other than a laugh, you know, 415 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 4: or whatever, somebody that needed something a little more concrete 416 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 4: to hold on to, could play for them and be like, Yo, 417 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 4: this is my son, this is my you know, my grandson, 418 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 4: or this is my nephew or like whatever. 419 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 5: You know. 420 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 4: Me and my dad we saw Jason Isabel seven times 421 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 4: in concert together, you know, and his music's a little 422 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 4: more serious, and I just wanted to make records that 423 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 4: I was influenced by and also. 424 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 3: To something that my family would be proud of. 425 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 4: And I think that I've done that and I've got 426 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 4: more in the tank to you know. 427 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 5: Well. 428 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: You better. 429 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 5: You know. 430 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 2: Something else I wrote about you was how there was 431 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 2: this point in your life where you got to You 432 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 2: were young too, so you were really obviously listening to 433 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 2: something because being that young to think that you would 434 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 2: have to look inward what you needed to change about 435 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 2: you as opposed to all the troubles and the problems 436 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 2: in the world being your problem, really and I just 437 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 2: thought that that was so that was such an old 438 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 2: soul way to look at things. Do you need to 439 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 2: share that with people that you know they should look 440 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 2: inward for to fix their problems as opposed to always 441 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 2: blaming outwardly? 442 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 4: I feel like, yeah, I mean, I feel like that's 443 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 4: the deal, right, Like people should know that it's hard 444 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 4: to do that. 445 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 3: It's very uncomfortable to look at that. 446 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 4: But I feel like I didn't know any of that 447 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 4: stuff when I got sober, you know, I didn't know 448 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 4: that that was but I learned really quick that the 449 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 4: only way that I'm going to change my situation is 450 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 4: to look inward and look at my faults, because I 451 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 4: can't change you. I can't change this person. I can't 452 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 4: change the situation. All I can really change is my perception. 453 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 3: Okay, well how do I do that? You know? 454 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 4: And then once I did that and then got some 455 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 4: freedom from it or you know, some happiness, I was like, Okay, 456 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 4: well that's what I have to keep doing. 457 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 3: And then I'd be a little hard headed and I'd be. 458 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 4: Like, oh, yeah, I gotta go do this thing. I 459 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 4: gotta go be honest with myself about a situation. Damn it, 460 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 4: I don't want to, but here I go again. That's 461 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 4: what the twelve Step Fellowships gave me. I mean, I 462 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 4: credited it wholeheartedly to that, and that's just kind of 463 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 4: how I've lived my life for the last twenty years, 464 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 4: and it helps me grow up. But it is definitely 465 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 4: not something that it's comfortable at all times. 466 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 3: I know that. 467 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 4: In twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, I started to go 468 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 4: see a therapist again. I've done therapy throughout my entire recovery. 469 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 4: But like I said earlier, I from age twenty one, 470 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 4: from about twenty six to twenty nine, I lost like 471 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 4: probably seven people really close to me, one being my dad, 472 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 4: my grandmother, and a close friend and. 473 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 3: I had went through a divorce and I'd just been 474 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 3: through so much. 475 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 4: I was like, it's time, it's time to just go 476 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 4: get what I like to call buttonneck and honest and 477 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 4: just yeah, just tell the truth. And I started seeing 478 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 4: a therapist and that really helped me kind of clear 479 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,360 Speaker 4: the waters and look inward. 480 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 3: And that's I mean. 481 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 4: I feel like that doing that and continuing to grow 482 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 4: spiritually has. 483 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 3: Really just made me the person that I am today. 484 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: Was music a part of that therapy. 485 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 3: Always, always. 486 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 4: I know a lot of people like to write songs 487 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 4: about stories that aren't really them, but I feel like 488 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 4: I'll never run out of material. 489 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, for someone out there right now who's listening 490 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 2: to this in the middle of their own difficulties or 491 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 2: you know, trying to get that extra oom, to look at, 492 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 2: what's one thing you would want them to take away 493 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 2: from your story? 494 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 4: I would just like to say, you know, not everybody's 495 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 4: like me, but I am. 496 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 3: I'm a redneck from. 497 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:15,959 Speaker 4: Alabama and I was raised to not share emotions. I 498 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 4: used to have the attitude if I could get myself in, 499 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 4: I got myself in this, I can get myself out. 500 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 4: And all the things that I learned to become better mentally, physically, emotionally. 501 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 4: Are things that I learned later on in life. It 502 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 4: wasn't something that was taught to me. I had to 503 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 4: reverse some stuff. So all I'm saying is is that 504 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 4: you know, I'm a high school dropout and I'm not. 505 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 3: You know, I didn't a lot. 506 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 4: Of people didn't think that I would live to be past, 507 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 4: you know, twenty one, and I'm still here. And my 508 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 4: message is if I can do it, then anybody can. 509 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 4: And I mean, it. 510 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 3: Might suck, but you can do it. 511 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 2: It might I know there's another T shirt every time 512 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 2: I hear good saying, I'm. 513 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: Like, it might suck, but you can do it. 514 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:02,959 Speaker 3: You can do it. 515 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Trey lewis also known as Thomasin. Thank 516 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 2: you for coming on the show, sharing your extremely important 517 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 2: story and for your inspiring music that you continue to 518 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 2: put out. And I'm going to end also with a quote, Oh, 519 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 2: of course you need to get the White Van EP 520 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 2: thomasin White Van EP? 521 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: Was it just dropped this week? 522 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 3: Two weeks right? Yeah? 523 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: Or two weeks ago? 524 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 3: Oh? 525 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 2: But I also want to end this with a quote 526 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 2: from a magazine called The Boot by Kelly Gresh. She 527 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 2: wrote this beautiful article about you just last week, and 528 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 2: at the very end it said, if Trey Lewis as 529 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 2: the version of the world met first, Thomasin is the 530 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 2: one that stayed when the noise died down. White Van 531 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 2: lives in the space between them, not choosing sides, just 532 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 2: telling the truth as it comes, one mile at a time. Thomasin, 533 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 2: thank you so much for coming on Music Save Me 534 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: and sharing your story, and for all of your wisdom 535 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 2: and good luck with the wedding and the new life 536 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 2: moving forward and everything you're doing. 537 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: And I have a feeling our puzzle cross again. 538 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 3: Awesome. Well, thank you for having me on. I really 539 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 3: appreciate it. 540 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 2: I'm Buzznight and thanks for listening to Lynn Hoffman and the. 541 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 5: Music Save Me podcasts produced by Buzznight Media Productions. 542 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 3: Please check out our other shows, Taken a Walk Nashville 543 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 3: hosted by Sarah Harrelson, Comedy Save Me hosted by Lynn Hoffman, 544 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 3: and Taking a Walk hosted by Yours Truly. 545 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 5: All shows are available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and are 546 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 5: part of the iHeart podcast network.