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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton

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Speaker 1: Show Friday edition of the program. Appreciate all of you

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Speaker 1: hanging out with us. We'll take some of your calls

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Speaker 1: during the next couple of hours, as we often do

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Speaker 1: on Friday, but we are continuing to discuss what was

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Speaker 1: yesterday an unmitigated disaster for Joe Biden, both because of

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Speaker 1: the special Counsel report that came out that said that

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden is essentially unfit mentally to be charged with

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Speaker 1: a felony even though he committed felonies, and then the

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Speaker 1: disastrous press conference that he did in the evening, which

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Speaker 1: even most Democrats are failing to defend. Buck, I'll be

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Speaker 1: honest with you, a part of me, in addition to

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Speaker 1: believing still that Joe Biden is not going to be

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Speaker 1: the nominee, and that Kamala Harris is not going to

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Speaker 1: be the nominee either, because her numbers are far worse

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Speaker 1: than Joe Biden's. In fact, if you're looking around in

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Speaker 1: your Kamala Harris, she is so bad as vice president

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Speaker 1: that even the least popular president who isn't mentally able

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Speaker 1: to do the job, is still pulling better than her.

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Speaker 1: I think these numbers are going to be disastrous as

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Speaker 1: more and more Americans but come convinced that Biden can't

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Speaker 1: do the job. But a part of me as I

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Speaker 1: think whether it's Michelle Obama who I think is the

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Speaker 1: most likely because that gets over the sexist and racist hurdle,

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom, who's gambling odds Buck skyrocketed last night in

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Speaker 1: terms of being the pick. JB. Pritzker, Gretchen Whitmer. How

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Speaker 1: I don't know how the process would go.

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Speaker 2: What would I get right now for odds to say

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Speaker 2: that it will still be Biden.

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Speaker 1: Biden is still favored in the gambling markets to be.

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Speaker 3: Then, ah, look at that. I didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: I thought you're gonna say I'm gonna get good odds.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I need to get in the

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Speaker 2: gambling on politics business.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 1: No, Biden's odds crumbled in the gambling markets in two places.

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Speaker 1: In particular, Buck will he resign during the first term

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Speaker 1: went up by the way. I don't think he would resign.

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Speaker 1: I think he would just announce that he's going to

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Speaker 1: step down. I don't think. I think he's got too

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Speaker 1: much pride to resign. Although if we had an honest media,

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Speaker 1: remember when everybody out there said that Trump the twenty

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Speaker 1: fifth Amendment should be applied and Trump shouldn't be allowed

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Speaker 1: to be president.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, and many many news cycles on that, many

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Speaker 2: discussions of CNN and MSNBC night after night on the

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Speaker 2: twenty fifth Amendment for Trump.

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Speaker 1: Given this Special Council report, how is the twenty fifth

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Speaker 1: Amendment not being discussed on every television network in America

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Speaker 1: right now? Because if the Special Council says Biden doesn't

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Speaker 1: know when he was vice president, he doesn't know the years,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't know when his son died, he's unable to

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Speaker 1: answer basic questions. Again, I would suggest releasing the transcripts

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Speaker 1: over the audio of that interview. This just confirms what

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Speaker 1: we already knew. It also confirms that there's a major

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Speaker 1: cover up that's been going on in the White House.

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Speaker 1: And we've told you on this program for a long time.

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Speaker 1: You me, we all know that Biden is incapable of

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Speaker 1: this job, just based on relatively limited public appearances by

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden. They send him off to the Beach House

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Speaker 1: at Delaware. They send him off to Camp David. He

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Speaker 1: know that he's incompetent and not able to do the job,

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Speaker 1: just based on seeing what five percent of his overall

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Speaker 1: day to day behavior. Imagine what doctor Jill Biden is

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Speaker 1: seeing behind the scenes right now. Imagine what the White

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Speaker 1: House staffers that are closest to Joe Biden are seeing

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Speaker 1: right now. This is the biggest cover up of a

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Speaker 1: sitting president's health and mental cognition that any of us

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Speaker 1: alive today pretty much have ever seen. I mentioned earlier.

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Speaker 1: If you study history, Franklin Roosevelt in his final campaign

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Speaker 1: before he died at Warm Springs, Georgia. In addition to

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Speaker 1: the fact that they covered up that he was in

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Speaker 1: If you go look at the historical record at y'all

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Speaker 1: to all of that, he wasn't able to do the job.

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Speaker 1: They covered that up. If you're old enough to remember

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Speaker 1: the election of nineteen forty four, then you might have

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Speaker 1: seen something similar to the cover up in your life.

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Speaker 1: For the rest of us, and that's eighty what years

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Speaker 1: biggest cover up we've ever seen of someone's health. And

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Speaker 1: you would think after everything that happened yesterday, there would

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Speaker 2: Assuming you are assuming facts and evidence here that I

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Speaker 2: worked for them. Look at a place like CNN. Sure

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Speaker 2: it's a disaster zone now, the ratings are in the toilet.

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Speaker 2: They're reshuffling everyone around. They don't really have any talent

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Speaker 2: the anti Trump network. So I think that they would

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Speaker 2: make that trade off, most of them at the top

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Speaker 2: They're just upset right now that they don't have the

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Speaker 2: same kind of attention and same kind of revenue coming

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Speaker 2: in that they used to. But in terms of integrity, Clay,

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Speaker 2: they don't. That's not a thing that they really think about,

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Speaker 2: let's be honest. And then with Biden and where this

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Speaker 2: all goes from, here. This guy, his entire life in

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Speaker 2: politics is one giant experiment of this guy should not.

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Speaker 2: He shouldn't have been a senator for all the years

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Speaker 2: that he was. I know, we're now talking about dementia.

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Speaker 2: He's a really a sub mediocrity, you know, he's not

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Speaker 1: Even at his peak, the peak was not that high,

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Speaker 1: not high at all.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and and was a.

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Speaker 2: Really a third tier figure in Democrat politics until Obama

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Speaker 2: picked him. You know, if I'm gonna picked any kind

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Speaker 2: a while, and all of a sudden, Joe Biden became

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Speaker 2: is entirely lacking well to say he's lacking in self awareness,

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Speaker 2: that's quite apparent. I think he's lacking in a sense

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Speaker 2: of where he is and what time or what date

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Speaker 2: The only way that this that this changes would be

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Speaker 2: you have to convince how do you convince Joe Biden,

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Speaker 2: who sits down this is really you know you'll talk

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Speaker 2: about that's the answer, I think. But how do they

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Speaker 2: convince his wife to convince him because.

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Speaker 3: I don't think she.

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Speaker 2: I think she believes that her husband, I'm just surmising.

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Speaker 2: I think that she believes that her husband is saving

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Speaker 1: That's the part. That's the part. I think it's second part.

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Speaker 1: And I actually maybe some of you have had this

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Speaker 1: God forbid we do this job for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Twenty years from now. Some of you may say you're

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Speaker 1: slipping already, Clay, but let's presume twenty years from now.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm sixty four, I'm sixty five. I said, look,

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Speaker 1: I want you to be honest with me. If I

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Speaker 1: the air saying things, you know, rambling, sometimes you can

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Speaker 1: end up in a position, buck, you know this, where

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Speaker 1: you're so powerful that nobody tells you the truth. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Jill Biden to me is the real is the real

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Speaker 1: villain here, because what whatever we see is a pen

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Speaker 1: prick buck of what Joe Biden does on a day

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Speaker 1: to day basis, She is in the bedroom with him.

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Speaker 1: She's probably with him, you know what, fifteen hours a day. Now,

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Speaker 1: imagine what she's seeing. If we're seeing him trip and

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Speaker 2: Oh of course, it's worse than what we know about that,

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Speaker 2: and they've been trying to shield that. That's why this

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Speaker 2: was true in the twenty twenty when he was in

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Speaker 2: better shape. And I agree with that, but this was

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Speaker 2: true in the twenty twenty basement campaign during COVID. That's

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Speaker 2: why it worked, right because they didn't have to really

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Speaker 2: Although people were saying, then he's gonna get on stage,

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Speaker 3: He kind of did what he always does on the base.

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Speaker 1: So for the debates he manages to manage to get

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Speaker 2: And you know, I hate to be the one who's

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Speaker 2: a constant voice of cynicism on this topic. I'm just

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Speaker 2: very confident that I'm right. And what does the president

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Speaker 2: really have to do?

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Speaker 3: Think about it? Right?

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Speaker 2: I think the hard part, and this is true of

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Speaker 2: a lot of things. You and I've talked to this before,

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Speaker 2: not just even in politics, The hard part is getting

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Speaker 2: the job.

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Speaker 3: In terms of the doing of the job.

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Speaker 1: To do what the appratus runs itself is scary, but

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Speaker 1: I think he's often true.

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Speaker 2: The apparatus runs itself. And that's why I think Democrats. Look,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I here's you know, I glad I know

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Speaker 2: Now I've got all these Democrats coming at me. I

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Speaker 2: said they could push Biden on stage. This was on

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Speaker 2: being spoon fed apple sauce, mumbling gibberish, and ninety five

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Speaker 2: percent of Democrats who voted from a twenty twenty would

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Speaker 2: gladly vote for him again. You know what the biggest

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Speaker 2: comment I got on this was it's actually ninety nine percent.

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Speaker 1: I mean, a Federman campaign in Pennsylvania is that argument.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to play Buck, So I think doctor Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: by the way, she should have to answer questions. And

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Speaker 1: I think the one thing that is now registering is

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Speaker 1: I think Buck, they're going to see the numbers collapse

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Speaker 1: because we'll play a little bit of audio maybe later

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Speaker 1: in this hour or next hour. All the late night

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Speaker 1: hosts are starting to tee off on Joe Biden. The

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Speaker 1: idea that his brain does not work and that he

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Speaker 1: has passed his prime is now knowledgeable and embedded in

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Speaker 1: every person out there and listen to this. Even with

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Speaker 1: what we saw yesterday, Joe Scarborough went on MSNBC and

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Speaker 1: said that this was that Joe Biden was being treated

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Speaker 1: completely unfairly. This is what it's like, Buck, when you're

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Speaker 1: so connected to Joe Biden that you don't even have

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Speaker 1: a gag reflex cut seven with Joe Scarborough.

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Speaker 4: There's so many people that immediately heard these random conclusions,

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Speaker 4: irrelevant conclusions politically charged.

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Speaker 3: Trump like.

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Speaker 4: Who first of all, wondered why in the world he

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Speaker 4: would put that in the report his neurological assessment of

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Speaker 4: Joe Biden, And secondly, why Merit Garland would release garbage

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Speaker 3: The Justice Department report.

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Speaker 4: It sure sounds like James Comey in twenty sixteen, who

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Speaker 4: July couldn't indict Hillary Clinton legally, so he decided to

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Speaker 2: He doesn't I'm gonna say this, he doesn't believe what

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Speaker 2: he's saying. I rarely do that because I think it's

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Speaker 2: usually a pretty annoying rhetorical trick, like you don't even

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Speaker 2: believe what you're saying. But I'm giving Scarborough credit here.

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Speaker 2: He's smart, He's actually smarter than he's pretending to be

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Speaker 2: And very few people can understand this who haven't ever

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Speaker 1: You had a security clearance, yea, And I saw you

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Speaker 2: Sanity in an Insane World The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Clay Anbock. We're talking about Biden's.

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Speaker 2: Absent mindedness and classified in Clay, you had a question

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Speaker 3: What do you have?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I saw how are you tweeting about it,

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Speaker 1: What would have happened to you, Buck if you just

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Speaker 2: Well, if I were still working for the government, and

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Speaker 3: It would not be. Yeah, so it was next to

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Speaker 2: You did your best, you're a good guy. No, and

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Speaker 2: all everyone missening me was that of clearance knows this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again I think it's important to recognize Trump

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Speaker 2: And they may be right. I mean, it depends on

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Speaker 1: And so the fact that they're trying to put Trump

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Speaker 1: back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of

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Speaker 1: We already talked to Donald Trump Junior about all this,

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Speaker 5: But what I found out was that my mother's family,

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Speaker 3: Us fill over the order.

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Speaker 5: It's deeply disappointing.

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Speaker 1: All right, that is amazing.

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Speaker 2: So it's amazing on a couple of differ different levels,

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Speaker 2: I mean you've got to be going back great great

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Speaker 1: Reginy, responsibility whatsoever for what people did before you were

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Speaker 5: But what I will say, Sarah to your question is

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Speaker 5: that I feel that I'm enriched by knowing that history.

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Speaker 5: I'm enriched, and I'm enrich by knowing that my family

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Speaker 5: has come so far from being in slavers to my

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Speaker 5: mother marrying my father in nineteen So yeah, I okay.

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Speaker 1: First of all, if she still believes in reparations, Buck,

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Speaker 1: that the easy response there is, Okay, go pay them.

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Speaker 1: If you desperately believe. If you're out there listening to

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Speaker 1: us right now and you're like, I will never escape

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Speaker 1: the stain of slavery four hundred years ago, somebody in

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Speaker 1: my family. It turns out, how to slave. I can't

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Speaker 1: sleep at night. I feel so awful about what my

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Speaker 1: ancestor did. No one is stopping Sonny Hostin from paying

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Speaker 1: reparations out of her own pocket. Yeah, but she could

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Speaker 1: go pay reparations to anybody she wants.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 3: Also, why should the.

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Speaker 1: Government be obligated when she's the enslaver.

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Speaker 3: I reject.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is the same thing when you say,

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Speaker 2: if you want higher taxes, you can just write a

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Speaker 2: bigger check to the government. Why are you making other

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Speaker 2: people lose more of their money via the force.

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Speaker 3: Of the state. Right.

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Speaker 2: People don't want to live their principles, they want to

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Speaker 2: just espouse them, so they're made to things.

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Speaker 3: These people think that they're good people.

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Speaker 2: But this whole thing of really what it turns into

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Speaker 2: the entire case ultimately for reparations, for a furnive action

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Speaker 2: for all of this in this country, Okay, a furn

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Speaker 2: of action a little different because it goes you know,

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Speaker 2: you're talking about stuff that was going on in the sixties,

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Speaker 2: and but generally speaking, you are punishing the generation today

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Speaker 2: for what was done generations ago, and in some cases

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Speaker 2: so many generations that go that nobody was alive, nobody

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Speaker 2: remembers anybody, and what ultimately is the justice principle that

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Speaker 2: is behind all of this, Like you're holding people responsible

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Speaker 2: for or what their ancestors did. If you go back

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Speaker 2: far enough, all of our ancestors were really just concerned

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Speaker 2: with staying alive. Yeah uh, and didn't really care very

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Speaker 2: much about what the social justice implications of their country,

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Speaker 2: their tribe, their religious affiliation, whatever we're doing. They were

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Speaker 2: just trying to stay fed and not die of plague

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Speaker 2: or some kind of you know, barbarian invasion. So this

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Speaker 2: whole thing is ridiculous. I mean, that's and the fact

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Speaker 2: that she's so disappointed is what's so Oh, I'm so

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Speaker 2: sad that you know I come from. But this is

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Speaker 2: it's exactly the conversation over Yale A lie who Yale

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Speaker 2: was a slave trader. The guy that Yale University is

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Speaker 2: named after didn't just own slaves. He was part of

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Speaker 2: the human trafficking of slavery to sell slaves to thousands

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Speaker 2: of other people or hundreds of other people over his time.

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Speaker 2: And they're never changing the name of the name of

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Speaker 2: Yale University because the whole point of going there is

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Speaker 2: it's Yale.

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Speaker 1: What's also interesting to me on the reports argument, you

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Speaker 1: are hitting on this a little bit. Anybody who understands

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Speaker 1: basic history understands that if you go act far enough,

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Speaker 1: every single human I mean this has had people who

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Speaker 1: were slaves and also had people who enslaved in your

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Speaker 1: ancestral lineage. I believe every single one of us, if

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Speaker 1: you go back far enough, slavery has been with us

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Speaker 1: for most of human history.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know why we don't know more about

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Speaker 2: the slave trade that was pre Columbian in the Americas.

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Speaker 3: Because they didn't have writing. Yeah, just saying, I mean

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Speaker 3: this is the truth.

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Speaker 2: You know, if anyone's wondering, there's no written records, and

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Speaker 2: there was slavery practice. Some of the what we call

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Speaker 2: the native tribes engaged in slavery. The Aztecs were a

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Speaker 2: massive slave empire.

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Speaker 3: Now we know.

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Speaker 2: That there's some record of it because of the interactions

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Speaker 2: of the conquisitors, most notably hernand Quartez. But this this

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Speaker 2: idea that it was only like a Western invention, well

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Speaker 2: it's just a historical just incorrect. And I'm not even

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Speaker 2: talking about the slave trade in white Christians that went

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Speaker 2: on for about three hundred years at the hands of

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Speaker 2: Muslim mostly North African, but the Ottoman slave trade effectively.

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Speaker 3: But people don't even want to hear this stuff, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, they.

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Speaker 1: Were the blessed Native Americans who we all have to now,

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Speaker 1: you know, on the left wing, they give like this

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Speaker 1: is not our native land, like every just about Native

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Speaker 1: American tribe enslaved the tribes that they beat as well.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: So, but what I'm saying is there's just not that

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Speaker 2: much in terms of detailed record of this wasn't there's

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Speaker 2: a big there's a native even the term we use,

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Speaker 2: but it's also so native American is yeah, I know,

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Speaker 2: you know, like we have to have a better term

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Speaker 2: than this. I understand people don't, you know, like some

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Speaker 2: of the other terms, which I understand why there's some

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Speaker 2: back and forth on that, but.

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Speaker 3: There's like a big mass grade.

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Speaker 2: This just came up recently where effective a one Native

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Speaker 2: tribe was engaged in a war of extermination against the other.

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Speaker 2: It's a I think it was a Creek tribe or

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Speaker 2: the Crow tribe. They you know, hundreds of bodies, you

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Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: This just came they basically exterminated their.

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Speaker 2: Rival, Yeah that's right, and just built a giant mass

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Speaker 2: grave of all the dead bodies, men, women and children.

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Speaker 2: But the only bad people white European settlers. They're the

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Speaker 2: only people who have done bad things last five well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: only people in human history.

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Speaker 1: The only bad people are white Europeans.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you.

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Speaker 2: This even extends so far that, you know what, the

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Speaker 2: Japanese get a bit of a pass in World War Two.

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Speaker 2: We're always talking about how evil the Nazis were, and

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Speaker 2: of course Nazi evil was extreme.

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Speaker 3: The Japanese were really as evil in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 2: If you're an American pow Korea, you were off to

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Speaker 2: be picked up by a Nazi patrol than a Japanese

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Speaker 2: Imperial patrol in the Second World War by the numbers,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was close, but you know, in terms

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Speaker 2: of how likely you were to survive, think about that

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Speaker 2: for a sec as a crazy You're right, I'm just saying, so,

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Speaker 2: you know, we anyway, one day we'll just do the

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Speaker 2: like history you're not allowed to talk about show, which

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Speaker 2: would be that's a great idea, actually a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: Actually would be, it would be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: I think it'd be a good segment.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out to us. As we

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Speaker 1: wanted to play one little cut. We haven't talked about

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Speaker 1: it very much because the stories are so crazy surrounding

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to play a cut from Tucker Carlson

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Speaker 1: talking to Vladimir Putin. Also would point out that Vladimir

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Speaker 1: Putin did over two hours sitting talking to Tucker Carlson.

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Speaker 1: And there's no way that Joe Biden could do fifteen

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Speaker 1: minutes of grilling from Tucker Carlson or Buck or me

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Speaker 1: or anyone out there with a substantial audience in media.

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Speaker 1: But here is cut thirteen of Tucker Carlson sitting down

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Speaker 1: with Vladimir Putin in Russia.

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Speaker 6: I think you're saying, you want a negotiated settlement to

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Speaker 6: what's happening in Kream, right, And we made it. We

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Speaker 6: prepared the huge document in Istanbul that was initialed by

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Speaker 6: the head of the Ukrainian delegation. He had fixed his

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Speaker 6: signature to some of the provisions, not so all of it.

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Speaker 6: He put his signature and then he himself said we

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Speaker 6: were ready to sign it and the war would have

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Speaker 6: been over long ago, months ago. However, Prime Minister Johnson came,

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Speaker 6: he talked us out of it, and we missed a chance.

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Speaker 6: Well you missed it, you made a mistake. Let them

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Speaker 6: get back to that, that is all. Why do we

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Speaker 6: have to bother ourselves and correct somebody else's mistakes?

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Speaker 2: Now, I mean he's a little nonchalant about tens of

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Speaker 2: thousands of people dying in a war. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: not they're not talking about like a trade agreement here

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Speaker 2: for but put that aside for a second. I think

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Speaker 2: likely there are two options that this raises right away.

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Speaker 2: One option is Vladimir Putin is lying or what he

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Speaker 2: said is in bad faith, meaning that there really was

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Speaker 2: no offer put together. You know, if the offer was

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Speaker 2: surrender and we get control of your whole country, well

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Speaker 2: that's you know, I can understand why they wouldn't take that,

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Speaker 2: right See, there's a little bit of look at the

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Speaker 2: details here, Okay. So basically that's a version of Putin's

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Speaker 2: line that there wasn't anything that would be considered any

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Speaker 2: kind of attempt to negotiate if it was an unconditional surrender. Now, people,

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it is or it's not. I'm just

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Speaker 2: talking about the possibilities. That's one possibility. The other possibility

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Speaker 2: that this raises, and you and I, I think our

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Speaker 2: minds go to this right away, is did western you know,

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Speaker 2: Western nations, and by that we really mean you know, America, Britain, Germany,

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Speaker 2: Did we pressure Ukraine to continue a fight that it

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Speaker 2: now has been unable to gain any real momentum in

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Speaker 2: and lose you know, tens of thousands of its its

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Speaker 2: young men in this and not even so young anymore.

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Speaker 2: They're taking older people because there was it's a massive

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Speaker 2: miscalculation by those Western leaders that Ukraine with our help

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Speaker 2: could beat Russia and could win this thing. If that

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Speaker 2: is true, that the United States and its European allies

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Speaker 2: basically didn't want to give up any territory to Ukraine,

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Speaker 2: didn't want any Ukrainian territory going to Vladimir Putin, even

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Speaker 2: though they came and took Crimea already, and they thought

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Speaker 2: that Ukraine is going to be able to embarrass Putin

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Speaker 2: and Russia and knock them entirely back out of the.

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Speaker 1: Country, and they were wrong on that, And now we're

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Speaker 1: basically at a stalemate where it feels to me, Buck,

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Speaker 1: and you obviously spent a lot of time in foreign policy,

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Speaker 1: it feels to me like Russia is going to get

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Speaker 1: substantial portions of Ukraine that it believes are part of

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Speaker 1: Russia's historic right, and that we're going to have a

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Speaker 1: new border drawn and Ukraine is going to have to

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Speaker 1: give up substantial amounts of territory, and that is going

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Speaker 1: to be the way this ends up going, because right

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Speaker 1: now it doesn't seem to me that either of the sides,

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Speaker 1: which are essentially locked in in trench warfare, are going

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Speaker 1: to be moving very substantially one way or the other.

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Speaker 1: But if you had to handicap who's at the advantage

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Speaker 1: right now, it would be Russia that Ukraine, which much

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Speaker 1: fewer men and materials. As you mentioned, they're now trying

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Speaker 1: to draft people who are up to sixty years old

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Speaker 1: to be a part of their military because of the

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Speaker 1: tens of thousands of lives lost.

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Speaker 2: It's a war of attrition, and a war of attrition,

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Speaker 2: the Russians will just increasingly have the upper hand more

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Speaker 2: and more. That's what's going on. Why aren't you hearing

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Speaker 2: them in the press? I should note, we're just going

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Speaker 2: through this whole. We need to fund our border and Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: Hold on a second, what's the plan in Ukraine to

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Speaker 2: play on the emotions of the American public for their

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Speaker 2: desire to help the underdog and put Ukraine flags up

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Speaker 2: in front. You've seen a lot less of those these days,

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Speaker 2: I should note, And shouldn't there be more flagged aren't.

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Speaker 2: Aren't the Ukraine flag waivers in this country more.

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Speaker 3: Needed than ever?

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Speaker 2: If you think that that's the resistant it was for people.

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Speaker 2: Think about this virtue signaling over a war. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's what a lot of people were doing. You see

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Speaker 2: it still you have Ukraine flags in their bio saying

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Speaker 2: people that were triple masking. By the way, somehow these

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Speaker 2: things all go together, whatever the big thing is of

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Speaker 2: the moment. The same foreign policy apparatus play in our

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Speaker 2: own country that had the Afghanistan withdrawal debacle, a twenty

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Speaker 2: year unsuccessful war in Afghanistan, a Roq war, rise of

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Speaker 2: isis go down the list all the things. Is it

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Speaker 2: beyond the pale that they might have miscalculated entirely in

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Speaker 2: Ukraine Russia? They told us the Russian economy was going

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Speaker 2: to implode two years ago.

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Speaker 3: How did that act? How did that go?

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Speaker 1: How about the fact that we got a president who

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Speaker 1: isn't mentally fit to analyze any of these issues. You

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Speaker 1: think he's making good decisions that he said he's making

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Speaker 1: decisions at all