WEBVTT - Lessons Learned w/ Anthony Rapp 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.000 Of the law and order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.800 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:10.200 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories, 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:31.920 done done. Hello, that's messed up an SVU podcast. My 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.280 name is Lisa Traeger and my name is Kara Clank. 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:39.800 I don't know why I did last name, so that's wild. 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:43.400 But yeah, every week we talk about an episode of SVU, 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:45.720 the true crime it's based on. And we have an 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:48.839 amazing guest from the episode. And we're fresh off of 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:53.800 bead Wong week and Kara Clank gave birth to baby Oscar, 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:57.160 So Kara give us the scoop. 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:00.360 Well, first of all, thank you to all the listeners 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:03.400 who have left me very sweet messages welcoming baby Oscar 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:06.640 into the world and being excited to see him with 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:12.480 Lisa and wondering how Rosie's reacting to him. That's what everyone, everybody. 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:15.720 The first question is has Rosie chucked him across the kitchen? 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:19.080 So far, there's only been one attempt on his life 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:20.960 and involving a cell phone. 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:23.720 But he's fine, and she's really just. 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:25.959 Mostly ignoring him but also being very sweet and like 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:27.959 kissing his head and touching him, being like. 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:31.000 He's soft, you know. So it's very cute and he's. 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:33.400 A good baby, and I'm getting sleep and everything's good. 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:36.959 No, it's really wild. She's at So what I'd like 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:40.400 to tell everyone is at four o two pm last 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:42.640 week we got a message from karaen the group chat 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:46.040 saying welcome baby Oscar. Five oh five pm. I did 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:49.920 have an email about the podcast, so people were like, 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:53.040 are you guys taking a hiatus? I go no, no, no, no, no. 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:57.560 She is doing tasks from the birthing room. So we 0:01:57.600 --> 0:01:59.000 are on track. Baby. 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:01.920 It's really boring in there, you guys, It's really boring. 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:04.680 Once the baby comes out, it was boring. So I 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:05.720 had to send some emails. 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:07.960 And he's cute and teeny and I like to hold him. 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:11.200 And then the funniest thing is that Jared, Kara's husband's 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:14.960 mom sent a package of nuts, which I think is 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:16.560 the funniest gift ever. 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.560 Yes, she's because of nuts. She's a big fan of 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:22.600 nuts dot com. She has sent us two packages from 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:24.960 them in the past year. This is not an ad, 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:28.040 but if you're interested nuts dot com, we have basically 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:31.079 killed almost all the nuts. The package did have chocolate 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:32.320 covered espresso beans in. 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:34.359 It, and Rosie was like, I want it, I want 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:35.680 and I want it. I was like, let her have one. 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:37.360 She'll hate it because, like, I don't like the taste 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:38.960 of coffee, so I couldn't imagine a two. 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:41.760 Year old like she loved it. So now we're. 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:45.160 Trying desperately to keep chocolate covered caffeine balls away from 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:46.160 my two year old child. 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:48.639 So wish us luck, pray for us. Well, maybe Aunt 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:51.760 Lisa will sneak her son to keep her loving me. Yeah, 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:53.440 and in case anyone's wondering. 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:55.480 Lisa's two week or so trip to New York did 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:58.840 nothing but make Rosie's heart grow fonder. She literally has 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:02.520 been asking about her stop. I picked her up at 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:03.800 school the other day and she was like, we're going 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.680 to Lisa's house. I'm like, a place you've never been before. Sure, 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:08.080 We're going to Lisa's house. 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:11.160 She would love my corn stewol honestly, and I think 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:12.280 she'd have fun in the garage. 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:15.000 She would love everything in your house. You have so 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:18.120 many chochkeys, she would ruin it. I can never let 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:18.639 her come over. 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:23.680 I have to teach her backgammon when she's old enough to. Oh, 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:25.800 I bet she'd be good at it. That's such an aunt, 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:29.200 like an aunt tipping I feel like. And then non 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.720 baby news. Someone one of our friends sent to the 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:34.440 group chat a TikTok I don't remember the name. I'm 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:36.960 sure we'll find it and share it whatever. Yeah, but 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:41.280 the basically the TikTok prompt was, what is something that's 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:43.600 happened in your town that would make an amazing movie? 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:45.640 Did you watch it or did you skip this one? Yes? 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:48.000 I did, I did? I did. It was amazing. So 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.360 this woman basically this man in her town showed up 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:53.840 to the police department pretending to be a federal agent 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:57.360 that was there overseeing stuff, and they let him stay. 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:00.000 He was not an officer. He ended up beating children 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.440 and holding like a gun to a three year old's head, 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:08.040 totally like clusing menacing things throughout the town. And then 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.760 a person in the town was like, this isn't right. 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.720 Had to go to the police department and go, hey, guys, 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:17.320 this isn't an officer. Like they let just a guy 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:19.720 show up and be an officer and terrorize the town. 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:21.839 Yeah, he told them, He told them they had like 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.320 won a grant and like for like a new officer 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.920 or something like that, and they didn't they didn't even 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:27.360 question it. 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:29.360 They were like, great, here's your gun and your badge. 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:32.880 And he committed a woman to a mental institution like 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:36.599 he is like sounds evil and he was essentially doing 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:37.960 it as like a prank to like see. 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:38.680 If he could get away with it. 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:40.839 And I think it was a couple of years or 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:42.839 something he was on the force in this town. 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:47.120 More than a day. Is too much, like honestly, because 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.919 you know, we do get some people that are like, 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:52.120 you're too mean about cops and it's like they do 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:57.520 seem bad at their job a general background check. I mean, 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:00.719 are there not like if you let a loose guy 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:04.680 show up and terrorize your town and then once the 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:07.479 guy like put a gun to the three year old's head, 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.160 you would think it'd be like, let's get him in trouble, 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:13.200 but they were like business as usual, We see no 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:16.800 problems here, put the woman in the mental institution and 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:20.240 hit that kid like it is wild. So thank you 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:20.760 for TikTok. 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:23.720 Yeah, we'll definitely post that TikTok on our Instagram because 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:27.880 it is wild. So Liza you are also back from 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:30.080 New York. Welcome back to LA It's been so fat 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:31.279 back in the town. 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:35.080 I also surprised my parents in Chicago got my Domino 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:38.160 games in beat them fully, beat my mom at backam, 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:41.040 and my dad did beat me at backgammon, which was upsetting. 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:42.640 But they have not They told me they have not 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:46.160 played at all since I left because I terrorized them, 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.520 like I played with them so much they needed a break. 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:51.479 Saw the dogs, Saw the kids. It was very fun. 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:56.359 But my interesting story is I get into the uber 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.200 at Lax, which is a fucking nightmare. The fact that 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:01.920 I used to read about Lax and US Weekly and 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.320 be like, oh my god, when I can be in Lax, 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:07.000 I'm going to be Paris Hilton. And then you show 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:10.640 up and you're like this janky ass place is where 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:15.200 the celebs fly into. I'm like shocked. I'm shocked. So 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:17.680 I'm with my uber driver. He asks how my night is. 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:19.760 It's like one thirty in the morning. I go, dude, 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.480 I'm flying on. I'm not this. You know how I'm 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:24.760 doing and he goes, okay. I say, I like the 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:27.039 song on the radio. I'm not a full you know, cunt, 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:30.159 And then we're driving, there's an accident, so I'm in 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.360 traffic and I'm like, I want to be feel grateful, 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.599 like obviously someone's going through pain. I'm like, I just 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:36.760 want to get off this highway. I don't know, you know, 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.120 and he goes, Honestly, I've had a rough night. I 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:43.480 caught my fiancee cheating on me just a few hours ago. 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:46.520 That's why I can't sleep, and that's why I'm driving 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:48.479 right now. And then I have to be at work 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:50.320 and my other job at five am. But I can't 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:53.880 go home. And I caught her fucking some guy in 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:58.719 my bed, in my house. It's truly I can't. And 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:00.839 then you were like, I said, why didn't you tell 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:01.520 me this sooner? 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:01.880 Sir? 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.000 We now we only have six minutes to discuss all 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:07.760 of this. But I gave him good advice, I said, 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:09.080 He goes, I don't know if we should do this 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:10.520 or that or that. I go, you can do whatever 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.120 you want, and do what you want, not what you 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.800 think you should do. Dump the bitch, put her on hold. 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.080 I don't know. But I also, are you lying to 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.720 get more tips? I just don't know. Oh my god. 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.760 But I did tip him well that's. 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:25.800 I mean I normally am like I don't want to talk, 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.800 but that's he needed. He needed ju Lisa. I feel like, uh, 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:31.800 that was a divine force that put you two together 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:33.480 in that car. I think he needed your advice. 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:36.120 He needed Yeah, you know, he did need me. And 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.160 then I told him where to get tacos late at night. 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:40.760 You know, I was like, if you're like, if you 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.680 want to eat your feelings, bro, Charlie's Tacos is the 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:44.640 place to be. 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.960 I really hope he uh he took your advice and 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:51.240 talkoed it up. Wait, but did you also talk about 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.760 when in Chicago, how you went to drag Race live. 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:56.680 Oh my, this is amazing. Yeah, so I went to 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.800 drive in drag Race. We saw got mik, we saw plastics, 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.760 Kimchi uh like vanj I mean I can name them all. 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.760 Naomi's legs are even more gorgeous in person. It's like 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:11.480 fucking insane. But it was pouring rain and we did 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:13.800 run out. I mean, it's worth getting soaked to see 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:19.320 Got Mek Do Britney spears fucking heaven. But there was 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.200 a giant, giant puddle in front of our car, and 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:25.400 we just kept seeing people ruin their lives like their 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.040 nights were. And then we opened our windows, it would go, 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:31.080 there's a puddle. Stop Like we did try to help people, 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:35.400 but you know, people don't register your shouting at them. 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:39.480 We saw people in slides, flip flops, heels, dresses like 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.600 no coachs just enter this puddle and then instead of 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:44.440 exiting out. I don't think they've realized how big the 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:47.200 puddle was. The puddle was probably like twelve feet wide, 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.000 oh my gosh, and like a few inches deep, like 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:53.680 mid calf deep, and people were just going through the 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.200 puddle and it was kind of a fun show. Also, 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.480 I was on a rooftop in New York and people 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.360 kept getting engaged. Well, one person got engaged in front 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:03.600 of us, and I was like, it would be funny 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:05.840 if that was just like people getting engaged in front 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:07.520 of us. So I saw people walk into a puddle 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:09.800 over and over and get engaged in front of me 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:12.880 in this trip. So it was kind of great. It's 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:13.240 so great. 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:15.679 The world is opening back up, nature is healing, and 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:16.760 you are watching people. 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:18.960 Yeah, I peed in the streets of New York. I 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:22.720 saw a man shit in the streets. Yeah, I had 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.080 a piece of pizza in the street. I did a 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:28.800 lot of street times. It's fun in New York. Wait, 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.000 I just wanted the listeners to know that. Just so 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.839 you know, Kara has a new recording studio that she's 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:37.079 set up in their garage and there is a giant 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:38.880 framed Frankenstein behind her. 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:41.960 So if I just I want to shar you with 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.079 my husband, I am sharing you with my husband, who 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:48.079 is a role playing game enthusiast and so everything behind 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:51.840 me is very nerdy, very call of Cthulhu, dungeons and 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:54.600 dragons for his stream of blood thing that he does. 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:58.520 So oh and I saw a celebrity in New York. 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:02.360 I saw Amar Stott a Meyer at lunch with his agent. 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.160 I can assume it was his agent for lots of reasons. 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:08.680 But I did wave at him and he waved back. 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:13.280 But it was exciting. So any NBA fans, that was Lisa. 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:15.600 I just need you to know, since you're back on 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:18.440 the celebrity train and you brought up LAX, celebrities have 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:20.440 their own terminal at LAX. 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:22.120 I just need you to know that. 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:25.920 And they pay it, okay, oh really yeah, they pay 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.240 an annual thing for their own car service and all this. 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.520 My friend is in charge of security for it, So 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:32.360 there is a glamorous side of Lax. 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:33.040 You're just not in it. 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.480 Yeah, we just don't get to go to it because 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:36.840 I put it on the list, put it on the 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:39.840 fucking vision board. We need to get in that lax. 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.200 Because I saw Kathy Bates on a flight one since 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:45.079 she was definitely whisked away in a different direction than 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.560 I was. But Lisa Reno, me and her were just 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:50.480 in the lounge, so I don't know. I don't I 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:54.360 wonder if Lisa's not paying the subscription fee. Interesting, and 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:57.280 we have New Beverly Hills, New New York. We're watching Hacks. 0:10:57.360 --> 0:10:58.679 I mean we got to start the show. 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.400 Yeah, but really quick, I want to say. Speaking of 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:05.880 drag Race, we just we just announced on our social media. 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:07.760 I know this episode this is you're not going to 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:09.440 hear this by then, it'll be a few days, but 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:11.880 go back and check our social media. We have announced 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.240 our live show. We're doing a live show June sixteenth. 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:16.640 We're so excited. 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:20.160 We're going to have drag Race All Star winner and 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:22.800 SVU super fan Shay Kole. We're also going to have 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:26.120 comedians like Joe Kim Booster, Lindsay Adams, Jamel Johnson, and 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:29.960 Temmy McNamara. These are all our friends and amazing comics 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:31.120 who also love SVU. 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:32.360 They're all going to be part of it. It's going 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:33.080 to be so fun. 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:37.120 Games Trivia recapping an episode, there's a special Q and 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:39.320 A you can buy tickets for, so go to Thats 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:42.520 Messed Up Live dot com and get your tickets asap. 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:44.559 We can't wait to see all of you guys on that. 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.000 And then before we jump into today's episode, which is 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:51.240 Lessons Learned, I just wanted to mention that we did 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.520 record this episode a little bit in advance due to 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.400 my you know, bringing a human into the world and 0:11:56.440 --> 0:12:00.360 such and different different things. And this episode does star 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:04.080 legendary actor Charles Groden. We did record this before he 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.640 recently passed away, So we just wanted to let you 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:08.679 know that we're not just glossing over the fact that 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:10.320 this amazing actor passed away. 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.600 We just didn't know when we recorded. So now let's 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:22.760 get going. Okay, So this is Lessons Learned, Season fourteen, 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:26.359 Episode eight. Any initial thoughts. 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:30.839 Kara, I mean I knew what this was based on immediately, 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.360 Like when I first saw that, like even the like 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:34.839 the cold open of this episode, I. 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.640 Was like, I know where this is going. So you know, 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.160 you just have like I feel once you when I 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:43.240 feel when you lived in New York, you were on 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:45.480 top of every single crime that ever happened. 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.960 I was like reading the free paper, like reading stuff. 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:51.400 And my sister was really big into also this like 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:54.400 Upper west Side blog and would like send me. My 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:56.800 sister loves crime too and would like send me articles 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:57.280 all the time. 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:59.280 So yeah, we were like on top of what was up. 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:03.240 And I remember that. No, it's very impressive. And the 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.240 episode starts with the back of an old man's head 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:11.360 walking into the unit. Am I where is the lie? No, 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:15.400 there's no lines. It's just a funny cinematic setup by 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:18.920 Lisa Traeger. He has like white hair, and it's just 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.640 super busy night, so we're assuming it's a Saturday night 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:25.680 or something. There's people yelling, there's a domestic violence couple, 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.960 someone gets kicked in the nuts, there's a woman in leopard, 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.440 there's a bleeding woman. Things are a muk. I felt 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:32.920 like it. 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:34.840 Was also, but I feel like that was like probably 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.880 a more honest portrayal of what a unit looks like 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:40.400 on a regular like I don't know, Friday night or whatever. 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:43.760 Then like normally it's just a bunch of people like hello, SVU, 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:46.520 TI tip tip tap on their computers and like it's 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:47.040 not Yeah. 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.640 The only time I went into a precinct was to 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:54.000 report my building super climbing in the bedroom window and 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.400 it was dead and nobody cared and they were like, well, 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:58.760 I don't know what you want us to do, but 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:02.040 you should leave. And how was that? So, I don't know. 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.200 I wonder if we could do investigative reporting and like 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:07.960 go to all these cop precincts on the weekends and 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:11.480 see what's up. Okay, Anyways, we won't do that. So 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:13.920 Amorrow sees him and he goes, hey, I have this 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.679 letter I need to report. Amorro says, sit down, I'll 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.680 be with you in a minute. It's busy, bitch. But 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:23.120 I think the guy gets overwhelmed or intimidated or something 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:25.640 and decide and he leaves, so he never gets to 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:29.560 report anything. We cut back to his house and he 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.960 puts on a record. It'ts some opera music. He pours 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.440 a glass of whiskey and he starts reading the letter 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.080 and then it's a quick cut to him hanging dead 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:43.520 in the daytime, so that was wild, and then cut 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.640 to Benson's at the scene. Tomorrow's at the scene. The 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:50.280 neighbor found him, and Benson has just like a beautiful 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:52.080 updo with a swoop being in the front and I 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.520 think this is one of my favorite looks, like I 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:57.680 love a messy like thing in the back with a 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:01.400 sweeping So Benson is can fused why they're called in 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:05.360 since it's just a suicide, and Tomorrow explains that his 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:09.480 card was found and he actually remembers him from last 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:11.840 night but didn't get to talk to him, and Benson's 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:15.400 kind of sassy here and goes nice work, and Amorrow 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.000 just deserve to be put in his place, like someone's 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.800 dead because of you. Usually we tell people it's not 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:23.960 their fault, but it's like, it is your fault. So 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:29.400 we find out this is mister Lassiter. The letter assigned Kurt. 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:33.800 It's Kurt with a C and it was written to him, 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:38.040 so mister Lassiter, this old man is an abuser. And 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:41.160 then they cut the body down and he flops onto 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.880 an emmy like what we don't need to see the 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:48.280 cutting down of the suicide body flopping onto a worker. 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:51.840 I just I don't understand what they were. Just I 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:55.920 don't understand. I don't know the choices there. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.360 that seems like a lot. And because of what we 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:04.200 learned from Jess Varley, who played Fidelia in that episode, 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:06.680 she was being hot like it wasn't a body double 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:07.440 and it wasn't right. 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:11.200 She had like a special like seat or something that 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:14.080 was making it so that she wasn't like yeah, oh 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:14.760 for sure. 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.560 But that means this old man was just flopping around 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:18.440 on this other guy. 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:18.840 Like. 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:23.080 It is a lot for me to think about. So 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:26.200 is it a suicide? Did Kurt do the murder? 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:27.040 You know? 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:30.360 Will there be twists and turns? It's SVU baby, So 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.760 the squad is chatting trying to figure this out. So 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:38.040 mister Lassiter taught English. And Amanda's hair looks amazing here. 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.280 It's like a long bob with layers and swoop short 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:44.000 beings and wow, look at you giving Amanda some credit. 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.840 Yeah no, and we'll see a lot of this in 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:49.960 this episode. I think what's making me love Amanda right 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.280 now is I don't know if I ever noticed her 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.040 in Finn's little buddy buddy vibe and I love their 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:57.960 friendship and it's making me love Amanda more and more 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:02.720 every day. That makes sense. And I do feel guilty 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:04.159 because I was like, I hate her, and then we 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:07.240 got thousands of messages being like I fucking hate that bitch, 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:11.280 you know, So I did start feeling guilty for my 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:15.360 Rallins hate. You know, she lived in an abusive home too. Yeah, 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:18.959 that's true. We all have stuff. Yeah, so we split up, 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.840 and we have Benson and Tomorrow heading to the school 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:25.200 mister Lassiter taught at, which is Manor Hill Academy. Very 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.840 she she she and mister Lennox is the head master. 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:33.359 And we have Rose who is a secretary. And you know, 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.280 we're not trusting this headmaster because he's wearing a brown 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:40.560 suit coat. That's not a trustworthy color, you know what 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:44.240 I mean. I just it's it's used car salesman. You 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:46.160 don't trust someone in a brown suit I'm sorry. 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:49.159 And the wardrobe department knows that the war knows what 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.040 the trustworthy color colors are. And then trustworthy I was 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.040 going to say, unless it's like Pharrell on a red 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:56.920 carpet trying to make a statement like I'll accept that 0:17:57.040 --> 0:18:00.159 in brown, but if it's just someone going to work, 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:04.040 they needed a discount, and so it's not gonna happen any. 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:09.400 Is the bozo hairdoo that is also a problem. Mister Lennox, 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:14.199 the headmaster, explains that mister Lassiter retired this spring before 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:18.639 he got there and started his job. But this teacher 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:22.760 is so respected and he's going to help the investigation 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.520 in any way possible, and we'll see if he sticks 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:31.040 by that. Finn and Amanda, my cute favorite duo. They 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.159 go see an old friend of Finn's who went to 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:36.639 the academy on scholarship, and he has a sexy office. 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:40.080 We're talking views Florida ceiling windows. This is a rich man. 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.840 He's wearing a pink shirt. He's not scared to make 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:46.560 a fashion statement. He's very rich looking. And the scoop 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:48.840 we get from him on Lassiter is he got a 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:53.720 little touchy feely after drama rehearsals and he says like 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:55.800 I was an easy target because I was a scholarship kid. 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:58.720 I wouldn't rock any boats. And he gave him a 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:04.960 shoulder massage and tried somewhere else, and basically the scholarship 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:07.480 kid was like, if you try that again, I'll break 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:09.399 your arm. And so he didn't try it again. But 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:12.000 mister Least was right. He wasn't going to tell anyone 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:18.120 and like starting problems. So that's that. So this scholarship guy, 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:20.639 he's on the board of the school. He loves the school. 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.960 The school changed his life and helped everything. And so 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:25.800 they asked him like, hey, will you give us the 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.920 database of all the alumni you have the alumni lists, 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:30.320 and he's like, what the fuck, I don't know if 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:32.679 I want to. They have a back and forth, YadA YadA. 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.840 Finn is very persuasive, so he's like, fine, I'll share 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:38.960 this alumni list with you, and my advice to you 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:42.520 is to start with the drama club. So now they're 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:44.760 in a park with a husky man and a flannel 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:48.840 walking a bunch of dogs. So he's not doing well. Okay, 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:52.600 this is he's a dog walker, but I don't know 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:56.080 in her shoes. She left her law job to become 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:58.560 a dog walker. We can't assume all dog walkers are 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:01.840 not doing well, assuming that except for you, I think, yeah, 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:07.280 that is true. Yeah, but he has he does have 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:10.960 a look of distraught, like I've been through some shit. 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:12.680 On his face, he does not look like he's doing 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:16.320 well emotionally. Yeah, like black eyeliner, black chip nail polish 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:18.720 for a woman in distress, is like a flannel and 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:21.000 a dog walker for a man in distress, Like your 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:23.320 life's not going the way you want it, you have 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:27.119 some Nirvana energy. And he did write the letter. This 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:30.280 is Kurt, and he said that the therapist told him 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:32.800 to write the letter. He's in a program of survivors 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:36.200 of abuse, and he would never kill him. He's shocked 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:39.159 that the teacher is dead, and I believe that he 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:43.359 didn't kill him. His vibe is trustworthy. I would say 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:47.120 he works at a dog hotel, but wanted to sing 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:49.119 at the met and he's like, my life's a mess 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:52.560 because of this abuse. I really like this angle, you know, 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:54.720 I talk about it a lot on this podcast. As 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:57.959 a society, we don't concentrate enough on like the aftermath 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:00.760 of an abuse. We just think people should just like 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:06.000 dust themselves off and try again, you know, And we don't. Sorry, 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:08.040 but once I said dust yourself off, there's no way. 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:11.199 I wasn't about to sing Alia. I didn't plan on 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:14.120 it beforehand, but I couldn't stop myself. Here we are, 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:17.120 but yeah, we don't talk about like how it messes 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:21.600 people up and how you know, people let's suffer abuse 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:24.560 to do self harm and go through depression. So I'm 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:27.040 already into this episode because we're going to talk about 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:30.480 a topic that I feel passionate about. So they go 0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:35.200 to a group and it's at a community center, and 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:38.119 Kurt Is kind of seems like the leader of this group, 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:41.800 and I'm assuming it's like all the boys that were 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:45.320 abused in high school by these teachers are now grown 0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:47.879 up or you know, they all know each other. They 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:49.800 went to the school and they all seem like they 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:54.520 were abused. Anthony Rapp is there, Okay, hello Broadway, and 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:57.840 he's pissed. He's like, who invited these detectives? I thought 0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:00.400 this was a memorial? What the fuck is going going on? 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:03.080 Which confused me, Like why would I guess you're happy 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:04.480 he's dead? I mean, I don't know. I was about 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:05.880 to say, why would you go to this memorial? 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:08.240 So I think what the group is is like this 0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:11.160 guy is has been in a program for survivors of abuse, 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:15.520 the Dogwalker Kurt, and he has also been speaking to 0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:17.760 his fellow alumni. And then I think when the word 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:21.200 got out that Lassiter had died, he sort of organized 0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:23.400 this whole like let's talk about what happened. And that's 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:24.960 why Anthony Rapp is like I thought this was a 0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:27.200 memorial and it's like, no, you know why you're here, 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:29.760 Like we're all here to talk about how this guy 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:32.040 had a handsy problem, you know, and. 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:34.359 He's angsty as well. You know this is a group 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:37.320 of angsty men. Oh yeah, I mean Anthony Rapp has 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:43.120 a Willco shirt on. Yeah, he's definitely feeling things. And 0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:46.360 Benson's hair is now down that shows the past thing 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:49.560 of the time. I love her hair in this scene. Yeah, 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:51.560 she also has a curl look later, like this is 0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:56.240 a really a plus Benson hair episode. The men in 0:22:56.280 --> 0:22:59.880 the support group are obviously skeptical about sharing since he's 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:02.520 so They're like, what is the point what We're going 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:07.439 to go to ghost Court and coming to NBC this 0:23:07.600 --> 0:23:15.320 fall ghost Court. Benson brings up, like, listen, I understand 0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:17.200 that he's dead, but we need to know who knew 0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:20.000 about this and who covered it up because these are 0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:23.159 people that could still get in trouble. Anthony's arms are 0:23:23.160 --> 0:23:26.680 bent so he's not into a very dangerous minds body language, 0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:30.639 and his knee is shaking. And also, did you notice 0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:33.240 there was a boombox at this community center? This was 0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:36.119 twenty twelve. Boom boxes were long gone. What's happening? No 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:39.920 one needs CDs. It was like a very nineties boombox 0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:42.520 at this community center. I would love to know why 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:44.720 the prop person put it back. I do feel though 0:23:44.880 --> 0:23:49.080 that if there are any living boomboxes, they're at community centers. Yeah, 0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:53.000 for choreographic that's like where they'd be. Yeah, yeah, I 0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:58.120 just I love the details of our prop our prop groups. 0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:01.840 What is what do they call prop master? Yeah? Okay, 0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:05.719 there's a man with geled hair. And he said, you know, 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:09.960 after Lassiter's death, a lot of feelings have come back 0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:11.760 to him that he thought he was over with, so 0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:15.120 maybe this would be helpful. And then they all discussed 0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:17.840 that this teacher had a signature move called the last 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:22.040 sitter lasso, where he'd wrap his arms around you, pull 0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:25.400 you in and poke you under your ribs. I hate this. 0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:26.360 I hate this. 0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:31.640 Yeah, I just I think that unrequited tickling is horrible, 0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:33.920 like welly, and they explained. 0:24:33.440 --> 0:24:35.960 That it was it was a test because if you laughed, 0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:37.920 then you got a massage, and then if you didn't 0:24:37.920 --> 0:24:41.200 stop him, and he would, you know, abuse you more. 0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:43.920 So it's like it was a total test. So if 0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:45.679 you were like, get the fuck off me, he's not 0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:49.280 going to try to massage you. And Anthony Rap's character 0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:51.240 Nathan is like, I don't know what you're talking about. 0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:55.000 Stop blaming all your problems and someone tickling you. So 0:24:55.359 --> 0:25:00.560 he has some issues. Another teacher that's brought up is Streppik, 0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:03.159 and he raped one of the guys in this group. 0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:08.639 So then more in another teacher abused a student that 0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:11.160 was drunk at junior prom offered him a ride home, 0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:14.320 and then assaulted him. Then so we're finding out that 0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:17.840 this is many teachers are abusing their students at one school. 0:25:18.280 --> 0:25:21.119 And then Streppik is dead though, but gave one of 0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:25.919 the guys gonorrhea, and then Mercer attacked someone in a 0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:29.159 locker room, and then all more men walk into the 0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:33.879 meeting and we realize this is a lot of teachers 0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:37.520 and a lot of victims, and we go to commercial break. 0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:44.840 If you want to go smoke a cigarette, okay, oh good? 0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:47.640 What if we started advertising cigarettes? All right? We're back 0:25:47.680 --> 0:25:50.280 at the precinct and there's a corkboard with a bunch 0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:53.679 of pictures and yarns zigzagging to all the former students. 0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:58.399 There's three decades of sexual abuse, and Barbara's here acting 0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:02.040 smug and very lawyer like, excuse me, we're the victims 0:26:02.080 --> 0:26:03.880 under the age of twenty three. Did this happen less 0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:06.200 than five years ago? Was this out of state? Then 0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:09.520 I can't do anything about it? And it's like, okay, Barba. 0:26:10.960 --> 0:26:14.840 Basically they're chatting and they're like, there is no way 0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:16.840 that people high up didn't know about this, Like we 0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:20.240 have to find out who knew about all of these assaults. 0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:24.920 And Mercer, the swim coach, is in Thailand, which is 0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:28.320 a haven for abusers. There's no way he's not committing 0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:33.520 fucking crimes in Thailand. So Moran taught up until a 0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:35.280 few years ago, which means there could have been new 0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:38.119 students that were abused by him. So there's ways to 0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:42.119 find people that aren't outside of the statue of limitations. 0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:47.360 So that's something to think about. And then so they 0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:50.879 go to talk to Morton to figure out what's going on, 0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:53.520 and he loves trains and making tiny villages in his house, 0:26:53.600 --> 0:26:56.359 so we know there's an issue. No one that's building 0:26:56.359 --> 0:27:01.320 little villages in their house is above board, okay. And 0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:03.600 then it seems like he has dementia or something because 0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:06.159 he keeps talking about the Korean War, so he's not 0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:08.800 going to be helpful. He has no idea what's happening, 0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:13.240 and he's building villages. So Elliott Gould comes into the 0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:17.120 precinct now and he's a former teacher for Manor Hill 0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:21.199 and he wants to talk, and he's wearing a bolo 0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:24.000 tie with a marbled stone in it. I don't even 0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:27.760 know what this means, but it's obviously a specific choice 0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:30.879 to give him a bolo tie. He admits that he 0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:35.320 had sex with students. He said that they were older students, 0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:39.080 ages seventeen and eighteen, that it came out of affection, 0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:42.560 and that it was in the seventies early eighties. It 0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:45.520 was a different time you wouldn't really understand. But it 0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:49.240 was warm and caring. It wasn't really rape. And Benson's like, 0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:52.760 well that's fucking convenient, Like you breach the trust of 0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:54.879 these students. You know, we can't do anything about it 0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:57.679 because they're of age, Like, why are you even coming here, 0:27:57.680 --> 0:28:01.119 you shady motherfucker. You're calculating, and he goes, no, my 0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:04.480 actions have had consequences that I did not foresee. So 0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:07.480 if I've harmed anyone in any way, like maybe confronting 0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:09.840 me would be helpful. Like, I just want to do 0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:12.840 my part. I feel really guilty about what I've done. 0:28:13.760 --> 0:28:16.040 Elliott Gould to me, I don't know, do you I 0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:19.600 think of American history? X Well, I've told you famously. 0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:22.200 I've never seen that movie, but I know Elliott Gould 0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:23.520 from so much stuff. 0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:25.760 I mean, I don't know if I've remembered you haven't 0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:27.560 seen it. I kind of want to be like, oh 0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:29.440 my god, we have to watch it together. But it's 0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:30.240 not really a good. 0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:31.760 Feel I don't know if it's like a feel a 0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:34.800 feel good, fun Nazi movie that we can watch together. 0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:39.959 Eli juises it is really good. It's done so well. 0:28:40.000 --> 0:28:42.360 But I remember in ap English in high school, I 0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:44.960 did quote that movie in my conclusion of an essay 0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:48.840 and my teacher was like, are you fucking kidding? You're 0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:51.560 quoting movies in your essay? And I go, I thought, 0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:55.440 I mean what? But I did get bad grades? But yeah, 0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:57.600 I love it and Edward Ran is very hot in it. 0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:04.120 He's very sexualazi tats and all. So Benson asks if 0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:06.880 anyone else at the school knew about this, and Elliott 0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:09.920 Gould says he didn't know about the other teachers, and 0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:11.840 he feels really bad that he failed to see it 0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:14.720 or help them in any way. He did take advantage 0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:19.200 of boys, right, But do I believe the seventies were different? Yeah? 0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:23.000 I don't know. I don't. I'm on Elliott's side. What 0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:25.000 are you thinking? You're giving me eyes? 0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:29.080 I just I gotta it'll feel different, I think when 0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:31.440 we get into the real crime, because it's not Elliott 0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:34.160 Gould and it's like real boys who have had their 0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:37.120 lives ruined, So it might just feel different. 0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:39.840 But yeah, he does. He just I think that's why 0:29:39.880 --> 0:29:41.280 they got Elliott Gould to do this part. 0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:43.479 It's like he comes in with this like sincerity and 0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:47.720 like you really feel like, oh, it was a different time, 0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:48.960 like you could smoke. 0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:51.520 A cigarette while you were at your pediatrician for fuck's sake. 0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:54.280 I mean, like it was a totally different like world 0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:57.840 in terms of like what was allowed. But and it 0:29:57.880 --> 0:30:00.440 doesn't mean those things aren't wrong, you know. Yeah, And 0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:02.360 we'll know more, but the fact that he didn't know 0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:06.640 about the other teachers is helpful because it excludes him 0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:09.640 from like, you know, this conspiracy that it's like a 0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:14.640 bunch of people or whatever. So the detectives talk to 0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:18.840 the men from the group and they're like, wait, what Tompkins. No, 0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:24.240 that's everyone's favorite teacher. I've talked to twenty five victims 0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:28.640 and no one has ever mentioned Tompkins. Barbara has his 0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:31.480 pockets square, and he's like, YadA, YadA, YadA, I can't 0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:35.280 do anything without evidence, YadA YadA, YadA, And he says 0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:37.560 this all sucks, like the only way we can have 0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:40.640 a case at all is against the school if they 0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:43.440 knew and covered it up. So they need to find 0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:47.200 evidence to show that the school knew what was going on. 0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:49.920 So the one who has gone to Rhea said that 0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:54.120 the dad went and confronted the headmaster of the school. 0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:57.200 But both the headmaster of the school, like the former 0:30:57.240 --> 0:30:59.520 head master of the school, and the dad are dead, 0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:04.480 so it's like, only this guy, this victim, could testify 0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:08.080 because there's no other evidence of anything happening. So they're like, okay, 0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:10.720 if you testify, this is good news. And then the 0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:13.600 gel hair Boy and the ringleader are like, we don't 0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:15.960 even need laws, we don't need court. We just want 0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:19.320 an apology. We just want someone to stay sorry to us. 0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:22.520 And Barbara says, yeah, but that's admitting guilt. And then 0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:24.239 they would be too scared to do that because then 0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:26.160 you can take them to civil courts, so they're never 0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:29.880 gonna like apologize in any way. And then we see 0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:35.360 Rita Calhoun. Yes, I've growned. I love her more and 0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:37.360 more every time I see her. Is that fucked up? 0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:42.360 I like, I'm obsessed? I really great. I love that actress. Yeah, 0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:45.920 I oh yeah. Isn't she in Veep? She's our veep girl? 0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:52.840 Is she in Veep? She's definitely in House of Cards cards, Yes, 0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:56.080 House of Cards. Listen. I can't keep all my political 0:31:56.320 --> 0:32:01.320 shows in order. Okay, I'm watching too much. And then 0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:04.600 Charles Grodin is there. Uh oh, what's going to happen? 0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:07.280 Is that the dad from Beethoven? I think so? And 0:32:07.480 --> 0:32:11.760 he is the board chairman. I'm the dad from Clifford. 0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:14.160 If anybody used to watch the show Clifford where Martin 0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:19.160 Shorret plays a little boy, go on, so and the 0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:20.120 head master is there. 0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:21.960 So we have a meeting with Rita who's going to 0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:24.120 be the lawyer. We have Charles Groden, who's the head 0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:27.000 of the board, and then we have the head master. 0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:30.000 And of course I think I need to add to 0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:34.240 an SVU drinking game. And anytime someone says fishing expedition, 0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:37.560 I think it's time to drink. And if you do 0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:40.480 it in this episode you will get a little tipsy. 0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:43.080 Fishing expedition and witch Hunt would kind of be in 0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:45.120 the same square on like the Bengo card. 0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:50.520 Yeah, absolutely, And Groden is like, my family is four 0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:53.960 generations of the school and so many success stories, and 0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:57.600 I love this school and it's like, okay, for every 0:32:57.880 --> 0:33:01.600 successful person, you have a bunch abused people who are 0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:05.240 like our lives have been ruined. And Growden is like, 0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:08.360 they're losers and if they drink, that's not my problem. 0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:12.160 And he's just very serious. His voice is very scary, 0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:15.560 and he goes, we have a party tonight, please leave. 0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:21.920 So that's his vibe, very intense, and Barbara says a 0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:24.440 line I don't love and he goes, listen, I'm a prosecutor, 0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:28.120 not a healer. And anyone that's in the Barbara b 0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:31.400 great brigade. It's like, how do he's a jerk in 0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:32.040 this episode? 0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:33.840 Yes, but like I think this is part of his 0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:37.520 arc because he later does become a healer. Like he 0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:40.840 does do things in later episodes where he bends things 0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:44.080 or does things to help people. So I think because 0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:46.440 this is what like his Is this his first season 0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:50.200 or I mean maybe second. Yeah, it's fresh, Yeah, he's 0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:54.200 fresh off the boat. So like we gotta have him 0:33:54.200 --> 0:33:55.719 be a little bit of a dick that has to 0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:58.400 like soften up or whatever. It was like Graylick didn't 0:33:58.440 --> 0:33:59.960 have enough time for that to happen because she was 0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:02.280 just a dick all the time and then they got 0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:05.200 rid of her. But Barbara, he has an arc. 0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:10.040 So then moral Benson is like, I know you want 0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:12.480 to do the right thing. You know, something fucked up 0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:15.799 happened and criminal and we need to do something. So 0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:20.000 that's exciting. So now Barbara now is wet to work. 0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:23.759 He's like got his motivation back up, he's invested again, 0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:25.920 and he goes, fine, if they want us to go fishing, 0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:30.520 we'll go fucking fishing. And so he pulls up his 0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:33.880 cuffs of his dress shirt. He doesn't but I have 0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:38.799 pictured it spiritually, I know, I kept being I kept 0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:42.160 being like, where are the sleeves coming out? What is happening? 0:34:43.920 --> 0:34:46.680 And Robins lets the team know that she found something. 0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:50.000 And this to me is this is fishing for sure, 0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:52.160 because this doesn't seem like evidence to me at all. 0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:55.239 But that's why they're being paid the medium bucks to 0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:59.880 be detectives. So she says that, like, they threw a 0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:03.640 retirement party for Streppick, but he wasn't even sixty And 0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:07.120 for that, I guess that school it's suspicious to leave 0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:10.560 and retire before you're forced to, since it's such a 0:35:10.600 --> 0:35:14.799 little cult. And there was a party nine years ago. 0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:19.640 But then he started teaching in an inner city charter school, 0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:23.040 So why would you retire from this like hoity toity 0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:26.000 place to go to a charter school in the city. 0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:29.239 So Rollins and Phil, oh my god, are you back 0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:34.719 on college? Fin Phil, it's back drinking game. 0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:39.520 Addition, Lidia calling finn Phil, Lisa calls Phil get wasted. 0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:48.640 Rollins in finn Ough go visit this charter school, and 0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:51.799 the lead woman in a gray power suit she goes, oh, yeah, 0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:53.440 it was a big deal that he came here. We 0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:56.560 were like really excited that this fancy guy was going 0:35:56.640 --> 0:35:59.080 to come to our school, but I fired him a 0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:01.480 month after he got here because I heard voices in 0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:03.279 the locker room, walked in and he was with an 0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:07.600 eighth grade boy. Nothing happened, but it was too close 0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:10.320 and I just got a bad vibe. Then we find 0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:12.839 out that she called the old school, the Manor Hill 0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:16.359 or whatever and tried to find out what was up, 0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:21.400 and the secretary said, follow your gut. So that's a 0:36:21.400 --> 0:36:25.239 clue that the school fucking knew. But the school gave 0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:28.040 a glowing recommendation. So it's like, okay, hold on, you 0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:32.120 forced him into early retirement. The secretary is like, ah, yeah, 0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:34.520 fire him. He is shady as fuck. But then you 0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:37.440 gave a glowing recommendation so they can go abuse people 0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:39.719 in like a poorer neighborhood. Messed up. 0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:42.360 Yeah, it's essentially the same as like shuffling a priest 0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:44.400 to a different city or whatever. 0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:47.400 I just don't get what goes through people's mind, Like 0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:51.200 what is it? Well, I know exactly what it is. 0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:53.680 It's like the people that are doing the molesting are 0:36:53.680 --> 0:36:56.160 the ones making the laws. I mean, that's basically it. 0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:59.919 I just saw a tweet recently that was like, Yeah, 0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:02.760 the brock Turners of the world grow up and become 0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:05.280 the Matt Gates' is who create the laws and protect 0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:07.600 each other. And it's like all these abuses because it's like, 0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:11.920 why aren't you, like, why are you not protecting children? 0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:14.680 It's like, I think they're just protecting the reputation. You know. 0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:17.400 It's like if you fire him with bad cause, it's like, 0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:18.840 then there's a trail. 0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:19.200 You know. 0:37:19.280 --> 0:37:21.319 If you give him a good wreck and he moves 0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:23.240 on to another school, he's someone else's problem. 0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:26.879 It's just upsetting. It's yeah, it's upsetting when you think 0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:30.680 about how the world works. Okay, So the cops go 0:37:31.200 --> 0:37:33.319 to this private event. You know, I love when they 0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:35.839 break up a party and the head masters like, you 0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:39.880 can't be in here, and Growden's like, but they have warns, 0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:42.080 they have the paperwork. They're not fucking around, And so 0:37:42.239 --> 0:37:45.840 we're going to the grand jury, baby, and Benson turns 0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:49.440 to read and goes fishing expedition done baby, Okay, so 0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:50.840 it's exciting news. 0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:55.600 Also, like a fishing expedition is just looking for something, 0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:58.439 isn't It isn't like a fishing expedition is like you wait, 0:37:58.560 --> 0:38:01.439 you fit, you like, try to find fish, Like that's 0:38:01.480 --> 0:38:02.839 what investigation is. 0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:04.879 I don't know why that's such a bad thing. 0:38:04.880 --> 0:38:06.320 We're not going to let you go on a fishing 0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:08.960 expedition and just start finding evidence. 0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:12.319 Yeah, it's basically saying that there are fish to find. Yeah, 0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:15.680 so you should say something else, But I don't. I 0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:18.959 can't think quick enough. Like fishing in the La River 0:38:19.200 --> 0:38:21.759 like that might be like no fish, like that might 0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:23.759 be smart. I just learned that there's no water. I'm 0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:26.799 glad I got to use it for the podcast. My knowledge. 0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:31.200 So the head master's on the stand and he's getting questioned, 0:38:31.200 --> 0:38:35.360 you wrote a recommendation for a guy that you knew sucked. 0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:38.799 What's going on? Why didn't you call the principle back? 0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:42.640 What do you know? All of this seems inconclusive, and 0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:45.279 then Rose is denying helping and she goes, no, I 0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:48.120 didn't imply anything. I was just telling her, you know, 0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:51.440 to do what she felt best. So Rose is good. 0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:54.480 I bet she got a bonus for that. She just 0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:56.520 keeps being like I didn't think it was a good 0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:58.600 fit for him to be at that school. I don't 0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:03.239 really know why, and doesn't have any answers so there's 0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:05.840 like a little break in the grand jury time and 0:39:05.880 --> 0:39:08.640 the Gonorrhea guy is nervous as hell in the hallway, 0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:11.840 and they're like, you're going to testify, right, and he goes, oh, yeah, yeah, 0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:17.080 but we're sview experts. We know something's happening. So Grodin 0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:20.400 is now on the stand and says, Strepick taught his 0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:24.200 son if he thought that Streppik was some molester, why 0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:27.680 would he allow that? Good point? That is persuasive. And 0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:30.360 he goes, listen, Strepik was loved, and I don't know 0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:32.600 what you're doing. And then they ask him, well, why 0:39:32.600 --> 0:39:35.560 did why did Strepik retire early? Why did he get 0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:39.680 financial compensation? What's going on? And Groden says, listen, motherfucker, 0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:41.600 that was nine years ago. I serve on a lot 0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:43.920 of boards in three different time zones, which is a 0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:49.640 flex I like that. I love having to juggle time zones. 0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:53.839 And he goes, yeah, but there's all these missing files 0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:58.680 and missing meetings, missing minutes in the meeting. But Groden 0:39:58.800 --> 0:40:00.799 is like, listen, I don't belie eve a word of this, 0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:04.600 and I wasn't aware of anything, So go fuck yourself now. 0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:07.960 Vincent Gonorrhea guy. It's his turn and he's missing, and 0:40:08.000 --> 0:40:09.800 we knew he was gonna be missing. He was nervous 0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:13.560 as hell. He's of course, this is a big stressful ordeal. 0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:15.680 And they find him at the Dover Hotel with a 0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:19.160 sex worker, comes out in leopard like running out and 0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:21.319 he's in his underwear on the bed and he's very, 0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:26.560 very sweaty. And now Amorrow's words, not mine, amorro goes. 0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:28.840 He was found with a hooker and some coke, which 0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:32.480 sounds like a great party, okay, but this is why 0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:36.000 Amorrow doesn't get more. People don't want to fuck Tomorrow. 0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:42.400 I think things like this. So Tomorrow Benson and Barber 0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:46.480 walking on the cobblestones under like the Stone Court building 0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:49.440 arch and they look like superheroes. And I fucking love 0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:55.040 this shot, like the director did amazing. I really love it. 0:40:55.760 --> 0:40:58.960 So the new goal now is to get the medical 0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:01.400 records for Strap to see if he had gone a 0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:04.280 rhea to link it to when Vincent had got rhea. 0:41:04.840 --> 0:41:08.080 This is a fishing expedition, deep sea diving, I would 0:41:08.080 --> 0:41:12.760 say so. Now Strepick's only living relative is a second 0:41:12.800 --> 0:41:16.280 cousin who does give permission and access to his medical records, 0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:18.920 which I think sucks. Like I would hate if I 0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:21.560 had some loose cousin be like, oh yeah, dig her 0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:24.560 up or whatever, like I, this is wild. Yeah, but 0:41:24.640 --> 0:41:27.120 what if your second cousin was like, yeah, old uncle 0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:30.120 Streppik with the fucking hands, Yeah, you can go ahead 0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:33.120 and get his impot Like, go ahead, yeah, he probably 0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:35.920 fucking most everyone and gave me really weird vibes at 0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:39.400 the family picnic. Go get his DNA, no problem, Okay, 0:41:39.480 --> 0:41:41.680 I like that because I kept thinking of the Barnes collection, 0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:44.880 which is just art theft. But like I I was 0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:46.719 just like, you should be able to do this, but 0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:49.480 you're here totally right. I switched my point of view. 0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:54.560 So and he did have goneriea like three weeks before 0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:57.640 the student did. Now Rita Calhoun enters fast I mean 0:41:57.719 --> 0:42:01.960 speed racer, and she said, as you cannot use this 0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:04.719 because of subsection see ma blah blah blah blah blah 0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:08.439 blah bah. And basically this like weird subsection of a law. 0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:10.880 Why read A Calhoun gets paid the big bucks is 0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:13.920 you cannot release anything of the dead that would like 0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:18.480 fuck with the reputation or disgrace them. So that's weird. 0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:21.600 So it's just like hard, you can't speak ill of 0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:23.839 the dead because that would be speaking ill of the dead, 0:42:24.320 --> 0:42:26.640 and that's the law. And Barbara's like, maybe there's a 0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:29.000 way to work around this. Let's get Elliott gool To 0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:32.319 on the stand to talk about how hey, we were 0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:35.000 all fucking the kids, like to make it seem like 0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:38.440 it wasn't disgraceful, which does seem crazy, Like I I 0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:41.480 don't understand this. It does not work in court. Sorry, 0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:45.600 it doesn't work. Like the judges like, sorry, you haven't 0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:49.920 sold me on raping your students is cool, Like it 0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:52.120 doesn't work. They're like, no, this would disgrace it. There's 0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:56.279 no way around, Like abusing children that you're supposed to 0:42:56.360 --> 0:42:59.680 protect and teach is not. It's disgraceful no matter how 0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:02.600 you try to spin it. But good, good try, you know. 0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:05.319 And then Benson, I would like to say, did not 0:43:05.440 --> 0:43:07.600 like this idea the whole time. She's like, I really 0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:09.759 don't like that. We're gonna say raping is okay to 0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:13.200 like get this, and Barbara is like, we we lose 0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:16.080 the battle, but win the war, but none of it happened. Also, 0:43:16.200 --> 0:43:18.960 Rita is a lady in Red I love this outfit. 0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:22.239 She has redhead to toe, and so Elliot Gould also 0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:25.719 has another Bolo tie which is exciting, this time with turquoise. 0:43:25.960 --> 0:43:29.480 So he has a nice, healthy bolo collection. That's how 0:43:29.520 --> 0:43:32.800 you know he's an intellectual from the seventies. Yeah, yeah, 0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:34.759 that's what it is. I was like, what is this 0:43:34.920 --> 0:43:39.080 represent and bolo? Now? I only think about the stripper 0:43:39.120 --> 0:43:42.319 from Atlantis? Same, yeah, I don't think about anything. I 0:43:42.360 --> 0:43:46.560 was like, he was wearing fake tionel oh no, And 0:43:46.640 --> 0:43:48.120 I do want to say, you know, I told you 0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:49.920 this didn't work. And Rita is a good point. She's like, 0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:51.680 what are you gonna do? Bring a cannibal up here 0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:53.600 and tell me it's healthy to eat people. Get the 0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:56.920 fuck out of here. So the school decides to get 0:43:56.960 --> 0:43:59.120 ahead of this. So they're back in the squad room 0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:02.560 and there's a press release that's released. Obviously it's a 0:44:02.560 --> 0:44:06.839 press release, it's out there, and they talk about how 0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:10.560 Tompkins is a creep. So they basically like, instead of 0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:13.200 focusing on Streppick or all these other people, we have Tompkins, 0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:17.839 who on the stand admitted to having relations with students, 0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:20.480 So they use him and they go it's just one 0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:22.600 bad apple. It has nothing to do with their school. 0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:24.640 We can't do anything legally about it. It was too 0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:28.480 long ago. But we're so upset and fuck Elliott Gould. 0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:31.839 So the teacher, you know, I mean, they're escapegoating him. 0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:35.200 They're scapegoating him. It is a good it's a good play. 0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:39.640 Now Finn is on the phone with a former student 0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:42.279 who saw the story and he wants to talk. It's 0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:44.279 a man in a green velvet suit coat and a 0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:47.239 patterned shirt underneath, and he's drinking a coffee. We can 0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:50.480 only assume this is a gay man. So Benson and 0:44:50.520 --> 0:44:53.520 Amarro are sitting with him, and he goes, oh, I 0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:55.600 don't want to testify against Elliot Gould. I want to 0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:58.080 testify for him. I was eighteen. I knew I was 0:44:58.120 --> 0:45:00.480 gay since I was six, and Walter let me know 0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:04.879 it's okay, and walt was great, and so he had 0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:07.080 a great time. I mean, this is so many ethical, 0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:12.239 different moral discussions, honestly, But he loved his relations with 0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:15.680 Elliot Gould slash Waltz. But he says Strepik found out 0:45:15.719 --> 0:45:18.439 about it. Streppick is like, oh, this is easy prey, 0:45:18.600 --> 0:45:21.200 Like if he's doing that over here, I can get 0:45:21.280 --> 0:45:24.759 him here. So Streppik tried to come on to him 0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:28.840 and he did not like it, and he told his mom, 0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:32.360 and his mom wrote a letter to the school complaining 0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:35.240 about him. He does not have that copy of that letter, 0:45:35.400 --> 0:45:37.640 but he has a copy of the letter that the 0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:42.120 school wrote back. Brad Forrester, member of the board signed it. 0:45:42.320 --> 0:45:46.480 AKA Charles Grodin knew saw the letter from the mom 0:45:46.719 --> 0:45:49.040 and wrote a letter back to the mom. So he 0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:52.839 fucking knew that Streppick was abusing children and let his 0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:58.000 son stay in his class. That is fucked up. Okay, 0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:02.400 I agree with you. Yeah, I mean I wrote it 0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:06.840 all in caps. I had to yell. So Benson's like, 0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:11.120 boom baby. So Benson and Tomorrow go talk to Charles 0:46:11.160 --> 0:46:14.400 Groden are like, hey, babe, we know about the letter 0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:18.319 and guess what perjury you lied on the stand. So 0:46:19.239 --> 0:46:20.799 what are we gonna do here? And he goes, that 0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:23.680 was twenty eight years ago. I don't even remember. He 0:46:23.840 --> 0:46:27.239 was not a sexual predator. And while they're talking to him, 0:46:27.280 --> 0:46:31.040 Benson corner of her detectivice he's a family photo and 0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:37.200 Anthony rap is Charles Groden's son. Wow, Dun Dun dunt huge. 0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:39.480 I mean like big twist. We didn't know that. No, 0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:42.839 we did not know that. And so you know, if 0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:45.200 you don't remember, he was in the support group. So 0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:50.440 Groden says he asked Nathan Slash Anthony Rap about the 0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:54.000 boy and that Nathan said the boy was like a 0:46:54.000 --> 0:46:58.360 cry baby and a loser, and so that's why Groden 0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:01.200 like didn't really care about it. Do that make sense. 0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:04.200 That's why he'd like dismiss the allegations. 0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:05.560 Basically because he's like, oh, this is just a kid 0:47:05.640 --> 0:47:08.000 that's oversensitive or whatever. 0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:11.879 Yeah, so they go to talk to Nathan, who lives 0:47:11.880 --> 0:47:16.600 in the guest house. He loves bears, there's a hanging plant, 0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:21.360 he's wearing flannel, another Willco shirt. You know, there's like beers, 0:47:21.440 --> 0:47:25.200 there's a there's like a Heineken mini keg on the table, 0:47:27.600 --> 0:47:30.279 and yeah, the guest house is nice. Like where are 0:47:30.320 --> 0:47:33.399 they living? This looks like an LA style sprawling man. 0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:35.120 No, I don't know where in New York there are 0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:37.160 guest houses, but they might be up in like Riverdale, 0:47:37.160 --> 0:47:39.239 like near where this actually is supposed to be. 0:47:39.360 --> 0:47:43.680 But go on, Yeah, so Grodan is like peering behind 0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:46.359 the detectives who are talking to Nathan, and we know 0:47:46.560 --> 0:47:48.919 Nathan has a secret, like he has something to say, 0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:52.439 there's too much angst not to and they're straight up 0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:55.200 this is a wild scene. They're straight up calling Nathan 0:47:55.320 --> 0:47:58.880 a loser in front of him. They're like, hey, Charles Grodin, 0:47:58.960 --> 0:48:02.080 are you embarrassed of your thought of your son? Because 0:48:02.120 --> 0:48:04.680 your son's a loser. Look at him. He doesn't work, 0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:07.640 He just lives here alone, he does nothing. It's like, 0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:11.400 this is so rude. This is like a clearly abused team. 0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:14.239 But this is how they push people to snap, Yeah, 0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:18.960 humiliate them. Yeah, it's really like funny. He's like Benson's like, 0:48:19.000 --> 0:48:24.000 are you so disappointed in your son? Nathan's like, excuse me, 0:48:25.400 --> 0:48:29.080 I'm ready here, And Grodan's just like Strepika is a 0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:31.840 saint among men, which makes me think were they lovers? 0:48:32.560 --> 0:48:36.440 Was Grodan abusing kids? Like why are you calling him 0:48:36.480 --> 0:48:39.920 a saint? Like I just don't understand, like a school 0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:45.759 who cares? Yeah, So so Nathan snaps like a little 0:48:45.800 --> 0:48:49.400 angsty like good Charlotte guy, and he's like, or what dad? 0:48:49.680 --> 0:48:52.320 We have to protect the reputation of Manor Hill. That 0:48:52.440 --> 0:48:55.719 school is so important and Benson's like, yeah, your dad's 0:48:55.719 --> 0:48:58.839 pretty obsessed with the school, like what the fuck? And 0:48:58.840 --> 0:49:01.799 Grodan's like, Nathan to cork in it, you're done, and 0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:04.800 Nathan hates it. Whatever, there's a lot of stuff happening, 0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:08.480 and Nathan said he had strepiic and my grades went 0:49:08.520 --> 0:49:11.160 to hell and so did a lot of other things. 0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:14.240 And he's like, what's up, dad, You didn't notice anything 0:49:14.360 --> 0:49:16.279 was wrong with me, Like why didn't you help me? 0:49:16.400 --> 0:49:20.880 I needed help. I was obviously like fucking up. And 0:49:20.920 --> 0:49:23.040 he says I couldn't tell you because you would have 0:49:23.080 --> 0:49:25.200 called me a fairy, like you did the other kid 0:49:25.239 --> 0:49:28.480 whose mom wrote a letter to complain. So Grodan's also 0:49:28.600 --> 0:49:31.560 scapegoating his son too, like he called the guy a fairy. 0:49:32.160 --> 0:49:35.160 And Anthony raps like you love this school more than me, 0:49:35.400 --> 0:49:37.600 and he runs off and says, listen, it was a 0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:41.239 long time ago and I don't remember. And Grodon's heart 0:49:41.239 --> 0:49:44.120 looks like it might be melting, and he's realized he's finally, 0:49:44.160 --> 0:49:48.040 finally he's realized he's done something wrong. So after we 0:49:48.080 --> 0:49:50.840 see the heart melt a little bit and Nathan have 0:49:50.960 --> 0:49:55.319 his moment and we're like, Okay, maybe something's positive is 0:49:55.320 --> 0:49:58.759 gonna happen. After all this. We are now at like 0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:02.840 the school, an assembly type situation, and so then the 0:50:02.880 --> 0:50:05.279 three amigos from the support group come in. We have 0:50:05.360 --> 0:50:07.759 the main guy in glasses, we have the gelled hair guy, 0:50:07.800 --> 0:50:10.640 and we have the guy that had gone rhea. And 0:50:11.160 --> 0:50:14.120 the cops sent a car for them. So that's kin. 0:50:14.239 --> 0:50:17.319 I didn't know car. I didn't know that happened. And 0:50:17.440 --> 0:50:19.840 there's a giant meeting happening, and it seems like a 0:50:19.840 --> 0:50:22.680 bunch of alumni are there and the headmasters talking on 0:50:22.719 --> 0:50:26.600 a podium and he says, tonight begins the healing process. 0:50:26.719 --> 0:50:29.080 We're going to talk about what happened here and make 0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:33.040 sure it never happens again. Barbara asks if Benson is happy, 0:50:33.120 --> 0:50:36.000 and she says, I am so. Then Groden comes to 0:50:36.080 --> 0:50:39.719 talk at the podium as well, and his son is 0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:42.560 in the audience. They make eye contact and he says, 0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:45.520 I can't undo the damage that was done here, but 0:50:45.800 --> 0:50:48.200 we will help and support those who are victimized and 0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:53.560 launch an investigation to those responsible. Akau I apologize on 0:50:53.640 --> 0:50:56.640 behalf of the school. They zoom in on everyone's faces 0:50:56.640 --> 0:50:59.480 and everyone looks really sad and serious and just like 0:50:59.560 --> 0:51:03.400 thinking about the heaviness of all of this, and then 0:51:03.400 --> 0:51:05.600 they zoom it on Benson, who has like, I feel 0:51:05.640 --> 0:51:08.040 like tears starting in her eyes, like she should teach 0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:11.080 a masterclass on like not fully crying, but tears just 0:51:11.120 --> 0:51:14.759 building in your eyes. And she looks moved by the 0:51:14.800 --> 0:51:19.040 moment and knows that she's done more great work. And 0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:23.200 that is the episode of Lessons Learned, Star Studied Amazing. 0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:23.920 Well. 0:51:24.320 --> 0:51:25.440 I like this episode. 0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:29.880 I mean it's it's another one that is extremely close 0:51:29.920 --> 0:51:33.760 to the real crime. So get ready because we're about 0:51:33.800 --> 0:51:36.960 to take another trip to sad Town with the real crime. 0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:52.680 All right, So now let's head to reality. 0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:59.040 This episode is based on a scandal that happened at 0:51:59.040 --> 0:52:01.560 the horus Man's Cool, which is a private prep school 0:52:01.600 --> 0:52:03.920 in the Bronx founded in eighteen eighty seven. 0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:06.680 Oh so this is very ripped from the headlines. 0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:10.319 Extremely No, Like, when I tell you how this story works, 0:52:10.360 --> 0:52:12.680 it's like literally the number of teachers that they focus 0:52:12.719 --> 0:52:14.800 on in the episode is like the number of teachers 0:52:15.040 --> 0:52:16.919 that are focused on in the New York Times piece 0:52:16.960 --> 0:52:19.080 that kind of blew the lid off of this whole scandal. 0:52:19.120 --> 0:52:23.000 Like it's very, very ripped this episode. I'll just I'll 0:52:23.000 --> 0:52:26.040 tell you everything. So Horace Man is Yeah, it's part 0:52:26.080 --> 0:52:28.759 of the Ivy League Preparatory School League. It goes from 0:52:28.840 --> 0:52:31.640 nursery school to twelfth grade. It's located in Riverdale, which 0:52:31.680 --> 0:52:35.120 is a nice neighborhood in the Bronx. The tuition for 0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:39.319 twenty nineteen twenty twenty is fifty two thousand, a little 0:52:39.320 --> 0:52:42.319 over fifty two thousand a year. So to send a 0:52:42.400 --> 0:52:45.080 kid from pre k to twelfth grade there would run 0:52:45.120 --> 0:52:46.720 you about three quarters of a million dollars. 0:52:48.400 --> 0:52:51.880 And that's for their schooling, which they could get publicly. 0:52:52.000 --> 0:52:54.080 And is this a boarding school or no? Or no, 0:52:54.239 --> 0:52:56.520 these Upper east Side kids are traveling to the Bronx 0:52:56.560 --> 0:53:00.080 every day. No, it's private school. Yeah. 0:53:00.120 --> 0:53:04.759 And ironically it is named after Horace Man, who was 0:53:04.760 --> 0:53:09.120 an American educational reformer and politician known for his commitment 0:53:09.160 --> 0:53:12.440 to promoting public education. And now he is named a 0:53:12.480 --> 0:53:14.959 school where only the elite can go and the rich 0:53:15.320 --> 0:53:19.120 go is named after him. So I actually know a 0:53:19.120 --> 0:53:21.239 bunch of people who have gone to Horace Man through 0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:23.439 my summer camp, through my college, Like I know people 0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:26.800 who have gone there. I never really hear people talking 0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:29.279 about it like it's this far, Like you know, the 0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:30.480 way I talk about my summer camp. 0:53:30.520 --> 0:53:32.080 I mean I talk about my summer camp like it is. 0:53:32.000 --> 0:53:34.359 The fucking best place in the world, and like if 0:53:34.400 --> 0:53:36.520 you don't go there, like you got like, I just 0:53:36.760 --> 0:53:37.960 like love talking about it. 0:53:38.160 --> 0:53:40.719 I don't really hear people talk about Horace Man that way, 0:53:40.880 --> 0:53:43.279 or anybody talking about their high school that way. I 0:53:43.320 --> 0:53:45.319 never really hear. But I'm sure we're going to say 0:53:45.320 --> 0:53:47.600 this and then we're going to get all these dms 0:53:47.600 --> 0:53:49.279 that are like my high school was the best place 0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:51.719 I ever went. But you know, I just don't hear 0:53:51.760 --> 0:53:53.799 that a lot. No, you ride high for summer camp. 0:53:53.840 --> 0:53:57.520 All I said this weekend was like, yes, I think 0:53:57.560 --> 0:54:00.520 sports teaches kids a lot of great lassons. And you're like, 0:54:00.560 --> 0:54:03.760 so does summer camp. Okay, you learn a lot at camp. 0:54:03.840 --> 0:54:05.759 And I'm like, all right, bitch, Rosie doesn't have to 0:54:05.760 --> 0:54:06.560 play sports. 0:54:06.719 --> 0:54:08.840 I'm just trying to figure out a way that I 0:54:08.960 --> 0:54:11.759 don't have to put Rosie into sports. Please let me 0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:16.439 have this, Okay. So Horace Man was an all boys 0:54:16.480 --> 0:54:18.919 school until nineteen seventy five, and then they started letting 0:54:18.920 --> 0:54:19.319 women in. 0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:21.239 So here's what happened. 0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:26.399 In twenty twelve, a former student named Amos Camille. He 0:54:26.719 --> 0:54:30.600 published this massive expose in the New York Times magazine 0:54:30.880 --> 0:54:34.240 that details sexual abuse of students at Horaceman by teachers 0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:37.680 that took place from like the honestly late sixties and 0:54:37.719 --> 0:54:40.799 seventies into the nineties. So this is like the same 0:54:40.840 --> 0:54:45.960 as that episode decades of abuse. This guy was, you know, 0:54:46.040 --> 0:54:48.080 a little bit like the character that we meet, who's 0:54:48.360 --> 0:54:50.520 the guy from Finn's old neighborhood. He was not a 0:54:50.560 --> 0:54:53.120 member of the Manhattan elite. He was just a guy 0:54:53.120 --> 0:54:54.799 who went to a public school, but who was really 0:54:54.840 --> 0:55:00.359 good at baseball. He was recruited by the headmaster, who 0:55:00.480 --> 0:55:06.120 was this guy named Inky Clark, and he talks about 0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:10.720 how like in his first days there, there were teachers 0:55:10.719 --> 0:55:12.399 that he was told to stay away from and he'd 0:55:12.400 --> 0:55:14.399 be like, oh, because they're hard, or like they're mean, 0:55:14.480 --> 0:55:16.239 and he'd be like, no, they're perverts. Like his friends 0:55:16.239 --> 0:55:18.040 would be like their pervers, like stay away from them. 0:55:18.640 --> 0:55:22.759 So apparently there were some teachers that were known to 0:55:22.800 --> 0:55:24.839 grow up female students, and then others. 0:55:24.560 --> 0:55:25.800 That went for boys. 0:55:26.040 --> 0:55:29.720 So and especially like I mean, because it wasn't all boys' school, 0:55:30.160 --> 0:55:32.600 you know, just a decade earlier than this guy went. 0:55:32.719 --> 0:55:35.480 I think I think there was probably a lot. It 0:55:35.600 --> 0:55:38.440 seems like more many more male victims came forward than 0:55:38.440 --> 0:55:42.480 female victims. So in the article he talks about this, 0:55:42.560 --> 0:55:44.400 like one time that his mom had to go abroad, 0:55:44.400 --> 0:55:48.160 and so the headmaster invited him out to dinner, and 0:55:48.200 --> 0:55:50.920 like they him and his brother and his friend, and 0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:55.319 they all went to his apartment and another teacher was 0:55:55.320 --> 0:55:57.000 there from their school, and they were just kind of 0:55:57.080 --> 0:56:00.000 drinking cocktails. And these guys were drinking gin and tonics 0:56:00.440 --> 0:56:04.000 and they were seventeen, and the drinking age had recently 0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:07.560 moved from eighteen to nineteen. But it's still just feel 0:56:07.600 --> 0:56:09.600 sketchy to go to your principal's house and drink a 0:56:09.600 --> 0:56:11.560 bunch of gin and tonics. I don't know, that doesn't 0:56:11.600 --> 0:56:13.959 sound like something that's going to go in a good way. 0:56:14.640 --> 0:56:17.040 And he said he like kind of had an intuition 0:56:17.120 --> 0:56:19.120 for like what was going on, Like he knew what 0:56:19.239 --> 0:56:21.720 was up. So like right after dinner, they like obviously 0:56:21.800 --> 0:56:22.600 wanted the steak dinner. 0:56:22.640 --> 0:56:23.600 They went to a steakhouse. 0:56:23.640 --> 0:56:25.960 They drank more, and then the kids were like we 0:56:26.040 --> 0:56:28.120 got to go and like high tailed it out of 0:56:28.160 --> 0:56:30.960 there and didn't you know, stick around to find out 0:56:31.040 --> 0:56:33.680 what would the after party was going to be like. So, 0:56:34.480 --> 0:56:38.919 ten years after this, the author of this article graduated, 0:56:38.960 --> 0:56:40.520 he went on like a camping trip with a bunch 0:56:40.520 --> 0:56:42.040 of his friends from Horace Mann and one of his 0:56:42.080 --> 0:56:44.520 friends on the camping trip kind of just confessed to 0:56:44.560 --> 0:56:48.239 being sexually assaulted by the assistant football coach at the 0:56:48.280 --> 0:56:51.800 school named Mark Wright, who had eventually left the school 0:56:51.840 --> 0:56:56.080 under mysterious circumstances right before the author of this article 0:56:56.400 --> 0:56:59.680 had started to attend. So and this guy was also 0:56:59.719 --> 0:57:02.960 cons are like a huge Horseman success story. This guy Wright, 0:57:03.000 --> 0:57:05.640 who was the teacher. He graduated in nineteen seventy two. 0:57:05.719 --> 0:57:07.560 He was one of the few black students that the 0:57:07.680 --> 0:57:10.279 school had. He was really popular and now going went 0:57:10.320 --> 0:57:13.040 to Princeton played football there, and then he came back 0:57:13.040 --> 0:57:15.839 to Horace Man to teach art and coach football. And 0:57:16.400 --> 0:57:19.000 the friend on this camping trip basically described how right 0:57:19.120 --> 0:57:22.840 like groomed him, molested him and then acted like nothing happened, 0:57:22.920 --> 0:57:25.360 and then they said there were others and so on 0:57:25.400 --> 0:57:27.440 this camping trip, a lot of the guys all started 0:57:27.480 --> 0:57:31.320 talking about like sort of like all the way from 0:57:31.520 --> 0:57:34.120 this guy getting molested to like lower stuff that was 0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:37.640 still sketchy or bad vibes, like just like that were 0:57:37.680 --> 0:57:40.800 not necessarily crimes, but just bad feelings they had, like 0:57:41.040 --> 0:57:45.120 for example, the drinks at the steak and the steakhouse dinner. 0:57:45.160 --> 0:57:47.000 He's like they were just getting us drunk, and like 0:57:47.040 --> 0:57:49.480 it just didn't feel like that's something that should have 0:57:49.480 --> 0:57:54.800 been happening. So then twenty years goes by and the 0:57:54.800 --> 0:57:58.080 Penn State scandal broke, and then of course, like besides 0:57:58.120 --> 0:58:00.240 Penn State, we've got the Catholic Church, the Boys Out, 0:58:00.320 --> 0:58:03.360 other scandals, but the Penn State scandal is kind of 0:58:03.440 --> 0:58:06.760 what got this author thinking about what had gone down 0:58:06.760 --> 0:58:09.520 at his school. So he spoke to his friend who 0:58:09.640 --> 0:58:11.120 had opened up to him on the camping trip and 0:58:11.160 --> 0:58:14.320 got some more details about essentially what happened when this 0:58:14.360 --> 0:58:17.360 assistant football coach assaulted him, and he explained how he 0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:19.240 had lured him to a room saying he was going 0:58:19.280 --> 0:58:20.000 to paint. 0:58:19.840 --> 0:58:22.880 Him red flag, just a red flag. 0:58:23.760 --> 0:58:25.640 He told him to get undressed, and he had told 0:58:25.640 --> 0:58:27.720 the kid like, oh, you're gonna put on a bathing suit, 0:58:28.080 --> 0:58:29.600 and then when he tried to put on his bathing suit, 0:58:29.640 --> 0:58:31.800 he was like, no, no, no, don't put that on, and 0:58:31.840 --> 0:58:35.400 then he forcibly performed oral sex on him while masturbating. 0:58:35.400 --> 0:58:37.760 And this kid was thirteen years old when this happened. 0:58:38.320 --> 0:58:39.400 Like this is awful. 0:58:39.880 --> 0:58:41.880 He told the author that it was really hard to 0:58:41.920 --> 0:58:44.080 stay at Horseman because then this coach would come up 0:58:44.080 --> 0:58:46.120 close to him at certain times and go, what's wrong, 0:58:46.160 --> 0:58:48.280 little buddy? Are you you're not still mad about that 0:58:48.280 --> 0:58:48.960 that one thing? 0:58:49.000 --> 0:58:49.960 Are you? 0:58:50.080 --> 0:58:50.160 Like? 0:58:50.520 --> 0:58:54.800 Horrific because it's like now you're sort of psychologically torturing 0:58:54.880 --> 0:58:57.320 him to make sure that he doesn't talk. And now, 0:58:57.920 --> 0:59:00.960 you know, nineteen seventy eight obviously was a different like nowadays, 0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:03.880 kids are taught so early about bad touch, like how 0:59:03.920 --> 0:59:06.720 to tell a trusted grown up, et cetera, like if 0:59:06.720 --> 0:59:07.440 something happens. 0:59:07.840 --> 0:59:08.360 But he didn't. 0:59:08.840 --> 0:59:11.520 He didn't report the assaults anyone, but he did contribute 0:59:11.560 --> 0:59:13.680 to the gossip about this guy being a child molester, 0:59:13.800 --> 0:59:16.320 so he would like add in and they would just 0:59:16.360 --> 0:59:18.640 all hope that the gossip and the word of mouth 0:59:18.680 --> 0:59:21.080 would like get around to somebody getting a punishment or 0:59:21.120 --> 0:59:21.840 being you know. 0:59:22.240 --> 0:59:22.760 Kicked out. 0:59:22.800 --> 0:59:26.360 So he was supposed to see right for a physical 0:59:26.480 --> 0:59:30.360 exam one day, which is like, why is an assistant 0:59:30.360 --> 0:59:33.240 football coach doing physical exams on anyone? I don't think 0:59:33.240 --> 0:59:37.960 that that's what's supposed to be happening. And the guy 0:59:38.000 --> 0:59:40.320 started to molest him again, and he said, if you 0:59:40.320 --> 0:59:42.560 don't stop it, I'll tell and so he did stop, 0:59:43.120 --> 0:59:45.680 and then other kids told him that it happened to 0:59:45.720 --> 0:59:46.120 them too. 0:59:46.680 --> 0:59:47.760 So this was That was all. 0:59:47.680 --> 0:59:49.680 In nineteen seventy eight, and when the nineteen seventy eight 0:59:49.760 --> 0:59:52.640 seventy nine school year started, right was gone. The school 0:59:52.680 --> 0:59:56.160 said absolutely nothing about it. There were rumors of resignations 0:59:56.280 --> 0:59:59.240 or like a firing, but like nothing definitive. And it's 0:59:59.320 --> 1:00:03.520 kind of weird, like a beloved teacher or coach just disappears. 1:00:02.880 --> 1:00:05.200 And the school doesn't say anything. You know, like if 1:00:05.240 --> 1:00:06.800 you were just kind of like a teacher that was 1:00:06.840 --> 1:00:09.160 there for like a year, I guess nobody really cares. 1:00:09.200 --> 1:00:12.000 But you're this big personality that everybody knows at the 1:00:12.000 --> 1:00:14.640 school and the school's just like by, like no, not 1:00:14.720 --> 1:00:17.000 a word. See this is the thing, Like no one 1:00:17.040 --> 1:00:19.240 says anything because of the reputation of the school. But 1:00:19.280 --> 1:00:22.320 I feel if the school went, hey we fired this molester, 1:00:22.840 --> 1:00:26.840 bye bitch, that would be better for the school rep No. 1:00:26.840 --> 1:00:28.520 No, but because I think that then they think they're 1:00:28.520 --> 1:00:30.880 opening themselves up to like we allowed it to happen 1:00:30.920 --> 1:00:33.120 for such and such an amount of years, or we're a 1:00:33.160 --> 1:00:36.280 school where molested, where children get molested, Like I think 1:00:36.320 --> 1:00:40.400 it has a lot to do with just reputation, you know, 1:00:40.600 --> 1:00:43.640 like especially in these this elite world of like Manhattan 1:00:43.640 --> 1:00:46.520 private schools. You know, I'm not saying it's right, I'm 1:00:46.520 --> 1:00:48.600 just saying this is what I think is like motivating people. 1:00:49.400 --> 1:00:52.760 The author of this article contacted the Horace manheadmaster and 1:00:52.880 --> 1:00:55.520 members of the board of trustees. He did receive a 1:00:55.560 --> 1:01:00.000 reply from a corporate PR firm, of course, just basically saying, oh, 1:01:00.000 --> 1:01:02.120 I'm not in a position to comment on the events 1:01:02.280 --> 1:01:05.160 involving former and now and in some cases now deceased 1:01:05.160 --> 1:01:07.960 faculty members that are said to have occurred years before 1:01:08.000 --> 1:01:11.320 we assumed leadership. They're basically saying like, oh, well, this 1:01:11.440 --> 1:01:12.480 was all before our time. 1:01:12.600 --> 1:01:13.280 What can we do? 1:01:13.480 --> 1:01:17.680 You know, that's the gist of what this corporate statement says. 1:01:17.960 --> 1:01:20.800 But they did say it should be noted that Horace 1:01:20.840 --> 1:01:23.960 Mann's school has terminated teachers based on its determination of 1:01:24.000 --> 1:01:28.000 inappropriate conduct, including but not limited to certain of the 1:01:28.000 --> 1:01:30.840 individuals named in your article, So they are in a 1:01:30.880 --> 1:01:33.800 way like admitting that they got rid of some of 1:01:33.800 --> 1:01:36.320 the people that you're talking about in your article. And 1:01:36.360 --> 1:01:38.720 when the article did come out, they issued a blanket 1:01:38.840 --> 1:01:43.560 statement saying the article contains allegations dating back in some 1:01:43.600 --> 1:01:46.920 instances thirty years long before the current administration took office, 1:01:46.920 --> 1:01:49.800 which makes it difficult to accurately respond to the factual 1:01:49.840 --> 1:01:54.000 allegations therein. In addition, on June thirteenth, nineteen eighty four, 1:01:54.040 --> 1:01:55.760 there was a fire in the attic of the business 1:01:55.800 --> 1:02:01.360 office that destroyed some records. How convenient. So the coach 1:02:01.440 --> 1:02:03.520 is one guy, Mark writes, one guy they talk about 1:02:03.520 --> 1:02:05.120 in this article. Another guy they talk about in an 1:02:05.200 --> 1:02:07.880 article is a teacher named Stanley Copps who's kind of 1:02:07.920 --> 1:02:11.720 like this eccentric weirdo who would like stop in the 1:02:11.760 --> 1:02:14.760 aisles of the classroom to like pop quiz students, but 1:02:14.800 --> 1:02:17.720 it would only be like real male, hot athletic students, 1:02:18.200 --> 1:02:20.920 and then while the students were sort of like thinking 1:02:20.920 --> 1:02:23.440 about their answer, he would massage them, so there was 1:02:23.480 --> 1:02:26.840 like a massage situation that was not normal, and he 1:02:26.880 --> 1:02:29.800 would cancel class sometimes and instead of a regular class, 1:02:29.840 --> 1:02:32.440 they would just do something called a frolic and the 1:02:32.520 --> 1:02:35.080 kids would just run wild and he would like join 1:02:35.120 --> 1:02:36.840 in and get all like red in the face and 1:02:36.880 --> 1:02:41.400 like worked up over just like roughhousing with kids or whatever. 1:02:41.760 --> 1:02:44.560 And he was a JV swim coach. Please, I'm sorry 1:02:44.600 --> 1:02:45.880 if that triggers you in any way. 1:02:46.120 --> 1:02:48.760 No, it just reminds me of my JV swimming hundred 1:02:48.800 --> 1:02:52.360 butterfly record. No big wanted to give you a place 1:02:52.360 --> 1:02:53.600 to drop that in. And here we are. 1:02:55.120 --> 1:02:57.760 So this guy, Stanley Copps was a bachelor at the time, 1:02:57.840 --> 1:03:01.040 and so was the headmaster Inky, and so there were 1:03:01.120 --> 1:03:02.800 kind of rumors that they were both gay or that 1:03:02.840 --> 1:03:05.400 they had a relationship with each other. A lot of 1:03:05.400 --> 1:03:08.960 students loved Cops. He cared about them and they cared 1:03:09.000 --> 1:03:11.120 about him, so he got away with being kind of 1:03:11.160 --> 1:03:13.960 just like a weirdo instead of being like a pedophile. 1:03:14.760 --> 1:03:17.880 But then on a trip to the school's nature preserve. 1:03:17.960 --> 1:03:20.480 The school owns a nature preserve and Connecticut of course, 1:03:20.880 --> 1:03:23.960 like all of our high schools did, and a former 1:03:24.000 --> 1:03:26.280 student said he was like sleep it was they would 1:03:26.480 --> 1:03:28.720 they would sleep over at this like nature preserve like 1:03:28.800 --> 1:03:32.200 and do little you know, outdoorsy trips and he was 1:03:32.280 --> 1:03:34.440 on the top bunk. He dropped his sleeping bag out 1:03:34.440 --> 1:03:35.680 of his bunk, and when he went to go down 1:03:35.680 --> 1:03:37.920 to get it, he like bent over to get it, 1:03:37.960 --> 1:03:41.480 and suddenly this teacher was pressed up behind him, and 1:03:41.640 --> 1:03:44.560 he said he didn't feel assaulted, he just felt uncomfortable. 1:03:45.080 --> 1:03:47.440 And then what sealed the deal for him was the 1:03:47.440 --> 1:03:50.439 next morning, the teacher pulled him aside, grabbed his own dick, 1:03:50.480 --> 1:03:52.480 and said, what were you doing last night? 1:03:52.520 --> 1:03:55.520 And then the kid totally freaked out and told his dad, 1:03:55.520 --> 1:03:59.080 who reported it immediately, and cops resigned. So that I 1:03:59.120 --> 1:04:01.400 think the school like hats himself on the back because 1:04:01.440 --> 1:04:04.640 they did sort of like handle that swiftly and like, 1:04:05.440 --> 1:04:10.320 you know, appropriately. But the faculty received a letter saying 1:04:10.320 --> 1:04:13.120 Cops was leaving. Nothing was said to the students, nothing 1:04:13.200 --> 1:04:14.080 was said to the parents. 1:04:14.480 --> 1:04:17.720 So I think now schools and camps and all kinds 1:04:17.760 --> 1:04:21.760 of things like try to be super transparent about everything, 1:04:21.800 --> 1:04:24.520 and they were the opposite back in these times, like 1:04:24.640 --> 1:04:28.040 just completely obfuscating like the truth at all times and 1:04:28.120 --> 1:04:30.640 like just let's move on, and you know, nobody gets 1:04:30.640 --> 1:04:32.840 a letter, nobody gets any kind of warning of anything. 1:04:33.560 --> 1:04:36.640 This guy exactly like the episode that you that you mentioned, 1:04:37.440 --> 1:04:40.360 moved on to another prep school in New Jersey. Horace 1:04:40.440 --> 1:04:43.800 Man said nothing to this school about the allegations, and 1:04:44.400 --> 1:04:46.360 they did fire him at the end of the school year, 1:04:46.400 --> 1:04:47.960 or he was asked not to come back at the 1:04:48.040 --> 1:04:51.000 end of the school year, and that teacher ended up 1:04:51.080 --> 1:04:55.040 taking his own life cops. So you can see the 1:04:55.080 --> 1:04:56.760 way that the show sort of used a bunch of 1:04:56.840 --> 1:05:00.840 like pieces from all of these different teachers, and the 1:05:00.880 --> 1:05:03.400 school said nothing. The school said nothing about this beloved 1:05:03.440 --> 1:05:06.680 teacher for all these years who had resigned taking his 1:05:06.720 --> 1:05:07.320 own life. 1:05:07.360 --> 1:05:11.400 Nothing. And then this last teacher that they talk about 1:05:11.440 --> 1:05:16.200 is like particularly like creepy to me because his name 1:05:16.280 --> 1:05:19.000 was Johannes so Marie, and he was the head of 1:05:19.040 --> 1:05:21.480 the arts in the music department. He was very wealthy. 1:05:21.600 --> 1:05:24.200 He was a semi famous conductor, like he would conduct 1:05:24.200 --> 1:05:29.240 all these orchestra, all these philharmonics and orchestras, and he 1:05:30.120 --> 1:05:33.160 was like looked up to by the students. One former 1:05:33.200 --> 1:05:37.840 student confessed to the author that so mari had befriended him, 1:05:38.240 --> 1:05:41.120 hired him for babysitting his own children. And then in 1:05:41.200 --> 1:05:43.880 nineteen seventy three, when this boy was sixteen molested him 1:05:43.880 --> 1:05:46.240 when he was in his home babysitting for his kids. 1:05:47.120 --> 1:05:49.160 He told him to stop, and he did, but then 1:05:49.200 --> 1:05:51.120 a couple of weeks later he did it again, so 1:05:51.240 --> 1:05:54.360 he knew who to groom and how even if they 1:05:54.400 --> 1:05:57.120 resist the first time, I still think I can give 1:05:57.160 --> 1:06:00.640 it another shot. Many other kids came forward about like 1:06:00.680 --> 1:06:03.800 he would take glee clubs on trips to Europe and 1:06:03.920 --> 1:06:07.000 introduce them to all these musicians and take them to 1:06:07.040 --> 1:06:10.640 these fine like dining establishments, and then he. 1:06:10.600 --> 1:06:12.040 Expected them to have sex with him. 1:06:12.040 --> 1:06:15.160 Some of these kids, which this one kid said he 1:06:15.200 --> 1:06:19.200 did it even though it repulsed him, So that doesn't 1:06:19.240 --> 1:06:23.200 really sound like a consensual experience to me. But then 1:06:23.240 --> 1:06:25.800 this kid told his parents he didn't want to sleep 1:06:25.840 --> 1:06:29.800 in the same room with Johannes anymore on trips. Why 1:06:30.040 --> 1:06:32.840 was that ever happening? Why was that ever happening that 1:06:32.920 --> 1:06:36.040 the teacher would sleep in a room with the kids. 1:06:36.760 --> 1:06:39.440 I mean, I'm I don't know. I went on a 1:06:39.480 --> 1:06:41.200 trip to Washington, d C. In eighth grade. I was 1:06:41.200 --> 1:06:42.880 excited to share a hotel room with my friends. 1:06:42.880 --> 1:06:45.400 I was never like, hey, when is my geometry teacher 1:06:45.440 --> 1:06:48.200 hopping into the bed you know, like, that's a very 1:06:48.200 --> 1:06:50.000 weird setup. 1:06:50.560 --> 1:06:54.680 And even if someone's dreaming of, like, you know, their 1:06:54.760 --> 1:06:57.760 math teacher or something, the teacher still shouldn't be sleeping 1:06:57.760 --> 1:07:00.520 with them, you know what I mean. Yeah, sure, as 1:07:00.840 --> 1:07:03.240 a high schooler, you can imagine having a crush on 1:07:03.280 --> 1:07:05.880 your teacher. Yeah, because you're like, I would never want 1:07:05.960 --> 1:07:08.720 to sleep with my teachers, but I felt different. But 1:07:08.760 --> 1:07:12.960 that shouldn't encourage the teachers in any way, right, No, 1:07:13.240 --> 1:07:15.040 the teachers are supposed to know the boundaries. 1:07:15.480 --> 1:07:18.400 So basically, the same kid who said he told his 1:07:18.440 --> 1:07:20.800 parents he didn't want to sleep in the same room 1:07:21.040 --> 1:07:23.800 with this teacher, So Marie got word that he had 1:07:23.800 --> 1:07:26.880 told his parents that came to his house and like 1:07:27.280 --> 1:07:30.400 begged him in front of his parents, like please stay 1:07:30.440 --> 1:07:33.600 in the same room with me, please? What Yes, in 1:07:33.640 --> 1:07:36.800 front of his parents. And the parents didn't understand. 1:07:36.840 --> 1:07:38.640 They thought that like they thought he was being like 1:07:38.680 --> 1:07:40.440 I want to be with my friends, and the teacher 1:07:40.520 --> 1:07:42.960 was like, please stay with me. Like they didn't understand 1:07:43.000 --> 1:07:46.120 that there was like a sexual thing going on or abuse, 1:07:46.480 --> 1:07:49.520 and they didn't know and the son was not offering 1:07:49.520 --> 1:07:53.120 that information to them. Okay, a teacher begging at your 1:07:53.200 --> 1:07:57.200 house to sleep in a room with you. I don't 1:07:57.240 --> 1:07:59.000 know how it could be anything but creepy. I knew, 1:07:59.280 --> 1:07:59.680 I knew. 1:08:00.200 --> 1:08:04.200 And this abuse from between this boy and Summary went 1:08:04.240 --> 1:08:06.600 on for three years, even when this kid went off 1:08:06.600 --> 1:08:10.120 to college, and he wrote a letter to Summary. At 1:08:10.120 --> 1:08:12.360 one point he got no reply, and then he wrote 1:08:12.360 --> 1:08:14.800 a letter to his wife and got a seasoned assist letter. 1:08:15.240 --> 1:08:20.320 So the wife knew, I mean new denial. Who knows, 1:08:20.560 --> 1:08:21.000 but yes. 1:08:21.960 --> 1:08:24.479 Twenty years later, a member of the class of nineteen 1:08:24.560 --> 1:08:27.920 ninety four came forward with basically a similar story about 1:08:27.920 --> 1:08:28.320 this guy. 1:08:28.400 --> 1:08:29.519 So this is twenty years later. 1:08:29.560 --> 1:08:31.559 Who knows how many people there were in between these 1:08:31.600 --> 1:08:35.360 two victims, And this kid went on a trip to 1:08:35.360 --> 1:08:37.719 Europe with Summary, and when he got back, his family 1:08:37.720 --> 1:08:40.720 could just tell he had changed, like he was angry, secretive, 1:08:41.040 --> 1:08:44.120 and he eventually attempted suicide. He was put into a 1:08:44.160 --> 1:08:47.839 hospital and as soon as he was released from the hospital, 1:08:47.880 --> 1:08:50.559 he wrote a letter to the headmaster accusing Summary of 1:08:50.600 --> 1:08:55.679 grossly inappropriate sexual advances. This kid's mother worked at Horace 1:08:55.720 --> 1:08:59.320 Man too. She confronted Sommary and he said, he kissed 1:08:59.320 --> 1:09:05.880 me first, so pretty gross. This guy thinks that this 1:09:05.960 --> 1:09:07.920 is like some kind of like cute flirtation. 1:09:08.240 --> 1:09:11.519 Yeah, because even if a student again you push the 1:09:11.600 --> 1:09:14.599 kid off like blame Oh, by then this is nineteen 1:09:14.680 --> 1:09:17.479 ninety four. We're not doing this free love nineteen seventy 1:09:17.520 --> 1:09:20.280 shit anymore. You're not allowed, You're not just this isn't happening. 1:09:20.920 --> 1:09:25.200 So the headmaster said that the administration and the trustees 1:09:25.240 --> 1:09:29.280 got together and decided to do nothing to address this problem. 1:09:29.880 --> 1:09:33.760 I'm like, ugh, like spinning with anger over how this 1:09:33.800 --> 1:09:37.160 school handled all this stuff. A lawyer for the school 1:09:37.360 --> 1:09:39.560 told his mother basically that if you don't have a 1:09:39.600 --> 1:09:43.519 tape of this abuse happening, it's basically your son's word 1:09:43.560 --> 1:09:47.280 against the teacher's word. So no one from Horace Man 1:09:47.320 --> 1:09:49.880 ever asked the student about his experience, Like no, they 1:09:49.920 --> 1:09:52.920 never had him come in explain what happened anything like that. 1:09:54.160 --> 1:09:56.840 He ended up going to Brown, so he got into 1:09:56.880 --> 1:09:59.880 the Ivy League as was expected. Struggled with depression in 1:10:00.040 --> 1:10:01.920 post college life as well, and in two thousand and 1:10:02.000 --> 1:10:03.120 nine he took his own life. 1:10:03.960 --> 1:10:05.680 So it's just like heartbreaking. 1:10:05.760 --> 1:10:09.479 And when you're talking about the effect of this abuse, 1:10:09.800 --> 1:10:14.360 like years later, it doesn't go away. You know, it's 1:10:14.400 --> 1:10:17.000 not a it's not like a pull yourselves up from 1:10:17.040 --> 1:10:20.880 your bootstraps kind of thing. Summary continued to teach a 1:10:20.920 --> 1:10:23.120 horace man until retiring in two thousand and two. And 1:10:23.160 --> 1:10:26.280 then he died in twenty eleven, and the kid who 1:10:26.320 --> 1:10:29.360 I had described to you before, who he raped for years, 1:10:29.560 --> 1:10:32.960 went to the funeral, and he said in this article, 1:10:33.000 --> 1:10:36.000 he says, still today, after the drinking and the heroine 1:10:36.040 --> 1:10:39.000 and the therapy and the battered relationships, I just can't 1:10:39.000 --> 1:10:41.360 bring myself to fully hate the man who gave me 1:10:41.439 --> 1:10:45.920 so much. So there's like entanglements going on here with 1:10:46.040 --> 1:10:50.479 like with these relationships. So while he was researching this article, 1:10:51.160 --> 1:10:53.080 the writer said he talked to a lot of people 1:10:53.080 --> 1:10:55.600 who could easily recall male teachers who were sleeping with 1:10:55.640 --> 1:10:58.879 male students, female teachers who were sleeping with male students, 1:10:58.960 --> 1:11:01.040 like all kinds of like, oh, yeah, this guy used 1:11:01.040 --> 1:11:03.040 to sleep with the students, blah blah blah, this teacher 1:11:03.120 --> 1:11:05.240 used to sleep with students, like it was just sort 1:11:05.280 --> 1:11:09.599 of common knowledge. And then he spoke to an expert. 1:11:09.640 --> 1:11:12.280 I just I'm using these quotes from this article because 1:11:12.280 --> 1:11:15.559 he did talk to this lawyer named Paul Monis, who 1:11:15.600 --> 1:11:18.120 represents people who have been sexually abused by authority figures 1:11:18.120 --> 1:11:20.960 who had a lot of interesting insight, Like he said, 1:11:21.160 --> 1:11:24.000 the whole goal of the grooming process is to wrap 1:11:24.040 --> 1:11:26.920 the child close to you, like the affection and trust. 1:11:26.960 --> 1:11:29.080 Is to make the kid complicit in the act, make 1:11:29.120 --> 1:11:31.400 them feel like it was their fault, so it won't 1:11:31.400 --> 1:11:33.599 occur to them to talk to someone because they are 1:11:33.840 --> 1:11:38.719 they feel complicit in the relationship. As of to twenty twelve, 1:11:38.760 --> 1:11:41.919 New York Statute of Limitations says people who were victimized 1:11:41.920 --> 1:11:45.160 as minors cannot take civil action against an abuser until 1:11:45.200 --> 1:11:46.679 after they turn twenty three. 1:11:47.080 --> 1:11:50.479 So it just adds to all these reasons to not report. Why, 1:11:50.720 --> 1:11:52.840 Like why would I report? I can't, you know, like 1:11:53.040 --> 1:11:53.879 there's no evidence. 1:11:53.920 --> 1:11:55.120 And then if I even want to take him to 1:11:55.120 --> 1:11:57.040 court to get money, I can't do it until I'm 1:11:57.040 --> 1:11:59.519 twenty three. Like, there's just a lot of reasons that 1:11:59.560 --> 1:12:02.519 the law makes it, you know, not a hospitable environment 1:12:02.600 --> 1:12:05.960 to tell your story. A lot of the victims of 1:12:06.000 --> 1:12:09.880 these teachers developed as we've discussed depression, drug and alcohol abuse, 1:12:09.920 --> 1:12:15.880 broken relationships. Monus says that sexual abuse emotionally binds the 1:12:15.960 --> 1:12:19.000 child closer to the person who has harmed him, setting 1:12:19.080 --> 1:12:21.640 him up for a life plagued by suspicion and confusion 1:12:21.640 --> 1:12:24.839 because he will never be sure who he can really trust. 1:12:25.760 --> 1:12:28.320 And I think that's why I'm going to talk about 1:12:28.360 --> 1:12:29.760 somebody else a little bit later. But I think that's 1:12:29.760 --> 1:12:31.840 why you'll see like this kid who was abused by 1:12:31.840 --> 1:12:34.760 this man forever goes to his funeral, you know. And 1:12:34.800 --> 1:12:36.960 this is also why a lot of victims only speak 1:12:37.040 --> 1:12:40.200 up when their abuser is dead or dying, because it's 1:12:40.200 --> 1:12:43.320 too scary. The idea of thinking that they might deny 1:12:43.400 --> 1:12:45.880 it or blame turn the blame around on them is 1:12:45.920 --> 1:12:49.559 too frightening. But for example, the kid who got cops 1:12:49.640 --> 1:12:52.559 fired after that sleeping bag incident says he doesn't feel 1:12:52.560 --> 1:12:54.639 traumatized at all. He says, I think the school acted 1:12:54.720 --> 1:12:57.800 quickly and appropriately, and I'm not traumatized. 1:12:58.439 --> 1:12:59.559 Very tricksy Mattel. 1:13:00.280 --> 1:13:04.600 Yes, the author of the Times piece also tried to 1:13:04.640 --> 1:13:08.320 talk to tons of administration, faculty trustees. 1:13:07.840 --> 1:13:09.400 And they all lawyered up and like no one would 1:13:09.400 --> 1:13:10.760 talk to him. So when the. 1:13:10.920 --> 1:13:14.120 Article was published, that's when a lot of survivors started 1:13:14.160 --> 1:13:16.280 to contact one another. So I think that's like when 1:13:16.320 --> 1:13:18.839 you see that group that came together with like Anthony 1:13:18.920 --> 1:13:22.240 Rapp and Kurt and stuff that would be like something 1:13:22.520 --> 1:13:24.640 in the show it was the death of Lasseter, But 1:13:24.760 --> 1:13:26.799 I think in real life it was like this article 1:13:26.840 --> 1:13:29.040 coming out just validated what a lot of people had 1:13:29.080 --> 1:13:33.519 gone through. So this came out in early June twenty twelve, 1:13:34.120 --> 1:13:37.200 and a couple of weeks later, Tech Young Lynn, who 1:13:37.280 --> 1:13:39.800 was a teacher at the school, a Buddhist who had 1:13:39.800 --> 1:13:43.280 been a beloved chaplain and cross country coach at Horace Mann, 1:13:43.680 --> 1:13:46.240 who at the time was eighty eight years old, admitted 1:13:46.280 --> 1:13:50.040 to having sex with quote unquote maybe three students, and 1:13:50.080 --> 1:13:52.120 he says it didn't feel like a big deal back then. 1:13:52.160 --> 1:13:54.799 So this is to me where the Elliot Gould character 1:13:54.880 --> 1:13:56.840 comes in. This is who they've based it on. 1:13:58.280 --> 1:14:00.120 He says, the only thing I can assure you of 1:14:00.800 --> 1:14:02.880 was that everything I did was in warmth and. 1:14:02.840 --> 1:14:05.599 Affection and not a power play. I may have crossed 1:14:05.640 --> 1:14:08.920 societal boundaries if I did, I am sorry, and he says, 1:14:08.960 --> 1:14:12.120 I'm surprised they remember. It was all so casual and warm, 1:14:12.720 --> 1:14:16.599 so he definitely didn't think he did anything wrong. And 1:14:17.240 --> 1:14:20.600 one of his victims said, delusional might not be the 1:14:20.680 --> 1:14:22.920 right word, but to not have the awareness that there's 1:14:22.920 --> 1:14:25.160 a built in power dynamic with a teacher. 1:14:24.880 --> 1:14:27.439 And a student. That was the end of his quote. 1:14:27.479 --> 1:14:29.640 He was with a question mark. He just says, like 1:14:29.880 --> 1:14:30.840 that is delusional. 1:14:30.920 --> 1:14:34.000 I mean to not think to think that you and 1:14:34.040 --> 1:14:36.400 a seventeen year old that you teach at school have 1:14:36.479 --> 1:14:38.560 are on equal footing in a relationship. 1:14:39.160 --> 1:14:41.120 And then so this article came out twenty twelve. 1:14:41.200 --> 1:14:44.240 The SVU episode came out in November of twenty twelve, 1:14:44.280 --> 1:14:46.800 so they wasted no time. A few months later they 1:14:46.800 --> 1:14:50.280 got right to it, and in twenty thirteen, another alum 1:14:50.520 --> 1:14:53.160 named Mark Fisher published this piece in The New Yorker 1:14:53.160 --> 1:14:55.599 that I remember reading on a plane when it first 1:14:55.600 --> 1:14:59.120 came out about another horus Man teacher named Robert Berman 1:14:59.560 --> 1:15:00.720 and this it seems. 1:15:00.479 --> 1:15:01.960 Like you could write a movie about him. 1:15:02.000 --> 1:15:05.920 Like he was this like weird Svengali kind of teacher 1:15:05.960 --> 1:15:07.960 who like, on the first day of classes would be 1:15:08.040 --> 1:15:10.599 so mean to everybody that most people would drop out. 1:15:10.920 --> 1:15:12.960 And like the six or seven guys that would stay 1:15:13.000 --> 1:15:16.760 behind were obsessed with him. They dressed like him, they 1:15:17.000 --> 1:15:19.400 like tried to talk like him. Other kids would call 1:15:19.400 --> 1:15:22.960 these kids Bermanites, like it was all they wanted to 1:15:23.000 --> 1:15:25.840 do was impress this guy. He was this like, you know, 1:15:26.400 --> 1:15:30.320 total intellectual powerhouse to them, and they just wanted to 1:15:30.880 --> 1:15:35.960 impress him and get his approval. He always, like every semester, 1:15:36.040 --> 1:15:38.280 every year had like one kid that was like the 1:15:38.280 --> 1:15:40.320 bell of the ball, you know, like who would They 1:15:40.320 --> 1:15:43.559 would be told that you're brilliant, You're the next Milton, 1:15:43.760 --> 1:15:46.240 you know, and he would start calling that student by 1:15:46.240 --> 1:15:48.680 their first name, give them special attention, and then he 1:15:48.720 --> 1:15:50.800 would most of the times, it sounds like he came 1:15:50.880 --> 1:15:51.519 on to these boys. 1:15:51.520 --> 1:15:52.439 It was like a pouncing. 1:15:52.479 --> 1:15:54.840 It was like they came into his room for something 1:15:54.880 --> 1:15:56.599 and they would just turn around and he was kissing 1:15:56.640 --> 1:15:59.400 them like out of nowhere. And then some of them 1:15:59.400 --> 1:16:02.400 rejected him, and he seemed very pissed off by those rejections. 1:16:02.880 --> 1:16:05.760 And then yeah, same same patterns as some of the 1:16:05.800 --> 1:16:08.160 other teachers, taking them on trips or inviting them over 1:16:08.200 --> 1:16:11.920 to his home and molesting them. And I am trying 1:16:11.960 --> 1:16:13.680 to find out if this guy is still alive. I 1:16:13.720 --> 1:16:16.120 know that as of twenty thirteen, he was seventy eight 1:16:16.240 --> 1:16:18.720 years old and he was alive, so it's eight years 1:16:18.800 --> 1:16:22.360 later he'd be eighty six by now, and I don't 1:16:22.400 --> 1:16:24.639 know if he's alive still, but he was living at 1:16:24.640 --> 1:16:27.600 the time of this article in upstate New York in 1:16:27.640 --> 1:16:30.920 a home purchased for him by former students who were 1:16:30.960 --> 1:16:33.720 all part of this cult of young men that are 1:16:33.720 --> 1:16:36.840 obsessed with him. So they bought him the house that 1:16:36.880 --> 1:16:39.439 he lives in. And I think he actually has abused 1:16:39.479 --> 1:16:42.120 some of them. So that's really a lot to take in. 1:16:42.840 --> 1:16:44.960 So in the end, with Horace Mann, there were credible 1:16:45.000 --> 1:16:48.840 abuse accusations against around twenty two teachers. In the spring 1:16:48.880 --> 1:16:52.960 of twenty thirteen, the school finally issued a public acknowledgment 1:16:53.000 --> 1:16:56.160 for the abuse by former teachers and administrators between nineteen 1:16:56.200 --> 1:16:59.439 sixty two and nineteen ninety six. They said, yeah, we 1:16:59.479 --> 1:17:03.040 sincerely apologize, and then it was a three page letter, 1:17:03.200 --> 1:17:06.400 and I guess one of the phrases that people liked 1:17:06.439 --> 1:17:10.120 to quote was these unconscionable betrayals of trust never should 1:17:10.160 --> 1:17:13.559 have happened. So now, at this point, the statute of 1:17:13.600 --> 1:17:16.760 limitations for criminal charges has passed, but a civil case 1:17:16.800 --> 1:17:18.640 can still be brought, and Horace Man does have a 1:17:18.640 --> 1:17:22.960 lot of money. When one Horace Man survivor asked for compensation, 1:17:23.040 --> 1:17:24.879 he was told by the chairman of the board of trustees, 1:17:24.920 --> 1:17:27.720 it's not Horace Man's bill to pay sounds very like 1:17:27.800 --> 1:17:31.800 Groden's character. Eventually, the school hired a private mediation firm 1:17:31.800 --> 1:17:35.240 which presented the board of trustees with impact statements from 1:17:35.320 --> 1:17:40.000 thirty one victims, and then they said settlements. 1:17:39.560 --> 1:17:41.639 Had been reached with like the majority of those. 1:17:41.680 --> 1:17:44.360 And I heard some of the settlements were from you know, 1:17:44.600 --> 1:17:46.800 low like ten thousand, all the way up to six 1:17:46.840 --> 1:17:51.120 figure settlements that depending on how badly the student had 1:17:51.120 --> 1:17:53.840 been abused, and on whether they had alerted school authorities 1:17:53.960 --> 1:17:57.800 while it was happening. And then Horace Man, in an 1:17:57.840 --> 1:18:01.960 attempt to you know, kind of save their reputation, also 1:18:02.200 --> 1:18:05.280 established the Hilltop Cares Foundation, which was formed in the 1:18:05.320 --> 1:18:07.600 summer of twenty twelve by members of the community to 1:18:07.720 --> 1:18:11.519 help victims from the school and promote healing. They help 1:18:11.560 --> 1:18:13.840 with therapy bills, they help with studies related to the 1:18:13.840 --> 1:18:17.360 issues in the community, and they are totally nonprofit and 1:18:17.360 --> 1:18:20.320 independent of the school's admin or board of trustees. So 1:18:21.160 --> 1:18:24.000 that's what happened to Horace Man, and I feel like 1:18:24.200 --> 1:18:28.360 SVU just kind of fully ripped it from this article. 1:18:28.400 --> 1:18:30.920 I have other sources that I used as well, But 1:18:31.640 --> 1:18:33.400 the New York Times article is really what blew the 1:18:33.439 --> 1:18:34.400 lid off this whole thing. 1:18:34.720 --> 1:18:38.040 And is the school still open and thriving, you bet? 1:18:38.920 --> 1:18:43.280 And I think in twenty twenty it was ranked in 1:18:43.360 --> 1:18:47.240 some niche it's called the Niche Survey the third best 1:18:47.320 --> 1:18:49.160 K through twelve private school in the country and the 1:18:49.160 --> 1:18:51.800 twelfth best private high school in the country. So it's 1:18:51.840 --> 1:18:54.360 still thriving and doing fine. 1:18:54.640 --> 1:18:55.000 Wow. 1:18:55.280 --> 1:18:57.759 But you know, since this story came out, they found 1:18:58.320 --> 1:19:02.280 additional Saint Paul School, Exeter, and over all kinds of 1:19:02.360 --> 1:19:04.880 private schools and boarding schools in the Northeast. 1:19:05.080 --> 1:19:07.960 They uncovered a lot of these kind of abuses. Yeah, 1:19:07.960 --> 1:19:10.679 because you don't need as many rules, like if you're private, 1:19:10.760 --> 1:19:14.160 like I taught physical education at a Jewish school and 1:19:14.520 --> 1:19:18.320 I didn't have a degree. Yeah, you can do whatever 1:19:18.360 --> 1:19:21.120 you want. It seems like in private schools you can 1:19:21.240 --> 1:19:22.120 hire whatever. 1:19:22.320 --> 1:19:24.200 And they do sort of have their own like little 1:19:24.200 --> 1:19:29.080 ecosystem going on. But they are not above the law, unfortunately, Yeah, 1:19:29.120 --> 1:19:30.600 I mean not unfortunately. 1:19:30.720 --> 1:19:32.599 Fortunately, they're not above the law. 1:19:32.760 --> 1:19:36.240 So in terms of covering up their crimes, unfortunate for them. 1:19:36.320 --> 1:19:40.479 You guys actually have to listen to the law. Sorry, 1:19:40.520 --> 1:19:44.120 So you know, it was very similar, I feel like 1:19:44.280 --> 1:19:48.160 the real case to the case in the episode, where 1:19:48.960 --> 1:19:51.719 in real life they did want some financial compensation, whereas 1:19:51.720 --> 1:19:53.640 in the episode they were like, we just want an apology. 1:19:53.680 --> 1:19:55.880 But I think also they just wanted the school. In 1:19:55.880 --> 1:19:58.000 real life, they just wanted Horace Man to acknowledge it. 1:19:58.520 --> 1:20:00.160 And I think that when they finally did that in 1:20:00.200 --> 1:20:02.679 twenty thirteen, that was when people were able to start, 1:20:02.960 --> 1:20:07.799 you know, hopefully healing and you know, just not feeling 1:20:08.040 --> 1:20:11.000 gas lit and crazy that this school won't acknowledge what 1:20:11.080 --> 1:20:13.360 was going on for three decades at your school. 1:20:13.680 --> 1:20:16.960 Yeah, and I like the new kind of hopefully it's 1:20:16.960 --> 1:20:19.960 not just a trend. But it seems like kids, like 1:20:20.080 --> 1:20:22.639 parents aren't forcing their kids to hug people they don't 1:20:22.680 --> 1:20:26.400 want to hug their before explicit and like how to 1:20:26.479 --> 1:20:31.080 handle situations like this, And I hope, I hope it 1:20:31.120 --> 1:20:34.080 helps stop it being able to be like a whole 1:20:34.120 --> 1:20:37.800 school situation, you know, like kids being taught this from 1:20:37.840 --> 1:20:40.200 a younger age. But I don't know. 1:20:40.520 --> 1:20:44.960 Look, ultimately, a heavy case, a heavy crime, but a 1:20:45.000 --> 1:20:47.320 star setted episode. I mean, we got Anthony Rapp, we 1:20:47.360 --> 1:20:50.880 had Elliott Gould. We had all these you know, Charles Groden, 1:20:51.120 --> 1:20:54.080 Charles Groden, Oh my god, I love that movie Clifford. 1:20:54.280 --> 1:20:56.920 It's so crazy. Have you ever seen it? No, Maybe 1:20:56.960 --> 1:21:00.000 we'll hang out and we'll watch Clifford in American History 1:21:00.360 --> 1:21:01.320 as a double feature. 1:21:01.720 --> 1:21:03.760 That's the most insane double feature of all time. If 1:21:03.800 --> 1:21:06.280 you think you have a better, more insane double feature 1:21:06.640 --> 1:21:09.639 than Clifford and American History acts, please dm us. 1:21:10.680 --> 1:21:12.840 We will put a poll up. That is so funny. 1:21:12.880 --> 1:21:15.320 We're gonna do that, all right, Hang tight, because here 1:21:15.320 --> 1:21:21.160 comes our interview with our guests. 1:21:24.720 --> 1:21:26.960 All right, let's get to our guest. 1:21:27.080 --> 1:21:29.000 I have a feeling that some of you listeners are 1:21:29.000 --> 1:21:32.320 going to be real jazz for this one. We today 1:21:32.479 --> 1:21:36.160 are talking to a star of stage and screen, the 1:21:36.200 --> 1:21:39.559 man who plays Lieutenant Commander Paul Stammetz in Star Trek 1:21:39.600 --> 1:21:43.240 Discovery and who No Big Deal originated the role of 1:21:43.320 --> 1:21:45.439 Mark Cohen in a little musical you may have heard 1:21:45.479 --> 1:21:49.080 of called Rent, but you know him this week as 1:21:49.200 --> 1:21:53.280 Nathan Forrester in the episode's Lessons Learned. Guys, please just 1:21:53.400 --> 1:21:56.639 get a load of our chat with Anthony Rapp. Obviously 1:21:56.680 --> 1:22:02.320 you've done two episodes, two pretty well known episodes. But well, 1:22:02.360 --> 1:22:04.439 today we're talking about lessons learned, but we also are 1:22:04.439 --> 1:22:07.639 going to ask you some questions about Bound as well. 1:22:07.920 --> 1:22:11.519 But when terms of lessons learned, like, this was your 1:22:11.840 --> 1:22:13.519 second role on the show, So did they just come 1:22:13.560 --> 1:22:14.920 to you and say, hey, do you want to come back, 1:22:14.960 --> 1:22:17.360 we have this cool part for you or whatever? 1:22:17.960 --> 1:22:20.960 Yeah, both times they actually reached out, and I was 1:22:21.160 --> 1:22:24.439 for years one of what I felt like, I was 1:22:24.479 --> 1:22:27.320 one of the only actors left in New York who 1:22:27.400 --> 1:22:29.320 had not been on any of the Law and Orders. 1:22:29.360 --> 1:22:32.400 And that was even after my really good friend and 1:22:32.640 --> 1:22:35.600 original Red cast mate Jesse Martin being one of the 1:22:35.680 --> 1:22:39.120 leads on Lawn Right, I was never on any of them. 1:22:39.160 --> 1:22:41.400 I was like looking around, like when is it gonna happen? 1:22:41.800 --> 1:22:45.559 So I was really honored that I didn't even have 1:22:45.560 --> 1:22:47.200 to audition, that they just asked me to do it, 1:22:48.080 --> 1:22:50.479 you know. Bound. It was partly because they I think, 1:22:50.720 --> 1:22:52.160 I don't know if it was like concurrent they had, 1:22:52.200 --> 1:22:55.680 I guess, Jane Krakowski myself in mind together, but they 1:22:55.720 --> 1:22:58.240 just felt like we would be a convincing brother and sister. 1:22:59.040 --> 1:23:02.320 And then I don't know, honestly, like why they thought 1:23:02.360 --> 1:23:04.880 of before Lessons Learned, but again that they just reached 1:23:04.880 --> 1:23:07.120 out and offered it to me. It was really really 1:23:08.520 --> 1:23:12.040 a thrill and an honor to be asked back. And 1:23:12.120 --> 1:23:14.200 I know that that's that's also a different a different 1:23:14.280 --> 1:23:16.240 kind of badge of honor for New York based actors 1:23:16.320 --> 1:23:18.880 is like how many times have you been on any honor? 1:23:19.160 --> 1:23:19.320 Right? 1:23:19.720 --> 1:23:19.920 You know? 1:23:20.479 --> 1:23:23.679 So, how was working with Charles Grodin and Lessons Learned? 1:23:23.720 --> 1:23:25.720 I mean, he's kind of he's a legend, and you 1:23:25.800 --> 1:23:29.360 had to have this like confrontational, like screw you dad 1:23:29.520 --> 1:23:30.559 kind of moment with him. 1:23:30.800 --> 1:23:32.880 Yeah, that was that was one of the very biggest 1:23:32.880 --> 1:23:35.240 thrills of doing that episode was learning that he was 1:23:35.280 --> 1:23:37.960 going to be playing my father. I was a huge 1:23:38.200 --> 1:23:42.360 fan of his, especially Midnight Run Like that was one 1:23:42.400 --> 1:23:45.840 of in my younger days. That was a movie that 1:23:46.000 --> 1:23:47.640 I just it was one of those movies that you 1:23:48.240 --> 1:23:50.719 going in. I didn't expect it to be as excellent 1:23:50.720 --> 1:23:53.559 as it was. It was just continually surprising, and he 1:23:53.680 --> 1:23:56.000 was so good in it. And then of course I'd 1:23:56.040 --> 1:23:58.000 seen other things that he'd done, So when I learned 1:23:58.040 --> 1:23:59.040 that he was going to be part of it, I 1:23:59.080 --> 1:24:01.600 was excited, hopeful, that he was going to be a 1:24:01.600 --> 1:24:03.639 cool person, because whenever you meet people you really admire, 1:24:03.680 --> 1:24:05.160 you always hope that. And then he was beyond a 1:24:05.200 --> 1:24:08.600 coal person and he was so he was so like 1:24:09.280 --> 1:24:13.440 willing to like hang out and talk and share stories 1:24:13.520 --> 1:24:15.880 and he I don't know if you're aware of this, 1:24:15.960 --> 1:24:17.960 but I don't know if it's still the case, but 1:24:18.360 --> 1:24:22.360 he was deeply he was talking mostly about a cause 1:24:22.400 --> 1:24:24.639 that he's been deeply involved in for a long time, 1:24:24.680 --> 1:24:29.920 which is trying to exonerate working toward exoneration of women 1:24:30.479 --> 1:24:35.439 who are wrongly accused wow slash, trying to improve the 1:24:35.479 --> 1:24:38.240 way that they're treated while they're incarcerated. So it was 1:24:38.280 --> 1:24:40.439 like one of his he's like, all you like that's 1:24:40.600 --> 1:24:43.720 that was like his whole work, outside of any kind 1:24:43.720 --> 1:24:46.160 of show but stuff was all of that, and I think, 1:24:46.200 --> 1:24:48.320 if I remember correctly, he was like when we were 1:24:48.360 --> 1:24:51.360 done shooting, he was going right up again upstate to 1:24:51.400 --> 1:24:54.479 spend time at the prison where he was currently engaged 1:24:54.520 --> 1:24:58.320 in working with some prisoners up there. So that was 1:24:58.360 --> 1:24:59.080 really impressive. 1:24:59.160 --> 1:25:02.000 Wow, this is kind of a silly question, but I 1:25:02.040 --> 1:25:04.400 did notice that your character in this episode was wearing 1:25:04.439 --> 1:25:07.200 a variety of Wilco T shirts. Was that something that 1:25:07.320 --> 1:25:09.599 you were like, hey, this guy seems like he would 1:25:09.680 --> 1:25:12.080 like Wilco. Or was the wardrobe department, like, hey, you're 1:25:12.080 --> 1:25:12.840 a Wilco fan. 1:25:13.640 --> 1:25:16.080 There was a wardor of department that I was like, absolutely, 1:25:16.400 --> 1:25:19.559 that makes total sense to me. So, yeah, it's fit, 1:25:19.920 --> 1:25:22.519 you know. I mean guys like trying to like half 1:25:22.520 --> 1:25:24.880 assed make it in music or do a banding, So 1:25:24.960 --> 1:25:29.759 what makes us a band that would ring true? You know? Yeah, 1:25:30.080 --> 1:25:32.120 and it seemed like it was the right kind of 1:25:32.840 --> 1:25:34.920 band that he would wear. 1:25:35.040 --> 1:25:38.880 Yes, totally and in this episode, Like I mean, I 1:25:39.040 --> 1:25:41.160 personally was living in New York at the time that 1:25:41.200 --> 1:25:43.599 your episode aired and at the time that the horus 1:25:43.720 --> 1:25:45.240 Man's story kind of broke. 1:25:46.320 --> 1:25:48.479 Did you know a lot about that story going into this? 1:25:48.680 --> 1:25:50.680 I mean, I feel like there was a bunch of 1:25:50.680 --> 1:25:53.000 media coverage about it, but I don't know what you know. 1:25:53.240 --> 1:25:55.639 Yeah, I really didn't. I mean, I do know. I'm 1:25:55.760 --> 1:25:58.559 generally aware that as you and law and order in 1:25:58.600 --> 1:26:01.320 general take their story through their inspiration for their stories 1:26:01.360 --> 1:26:05.160 from headlines or from actual cases. So I don't remember 1:26:05.200 --> 1:26:08.439 being directly aware, but it certainly rang true to me, 1:26:09.160 --> 1:26:11.040 and it made a lot of sense, and it felt 1:26:11.040 --> 1:26:15.640 like something really important to talk about. You know, Institutional 1:26:16.040 --> 1:26:18.920 cover up is a I mean, it is just a 1:26:18.960 --> 1:26:23.240 sad reality in so many ways, as we've just seen, 1:26:23.360 --> 1:26:25.120 you know, when I don't know when this will be airing, 1:26:25.160 --> 1:26:29.240 but you know, the George Floyd case was an example. 1:26:29.320 --> 1:26:33.040 If there were if there weren't for that camera there knew. 1:26:33.160 --> 1:26:36.320 The press release was that he died, you know, from 1:26:36.320 --> 1:26:38.960 a medical condition, and that may have been it, you know, 1:26:39.120 --> 1:26:43.000 and that's there's so many, so many cases of institutional 1:26:43.040 --> 1:26:45.320 cover up and of sort of the old boy the 1:26:45.400 --> 1:26:48.559 notion of an old boy network that protect their own, 1:26:50.080 --> 1:26:52.439 you know. And I did a play years and years 1:26:52.439 --> 1:26:56.160 ago called Sophistry with Ethan Hawk and Jonathan Mark Sherman, 1:26:56.320 --> 1:26:59.479 and that was that was based on something that had 1:26:59.479 --> 1:27:02.840 happened at Bettington College where they where John thea Musham 1:27:02.840 --> 1:27:05.120 and went to school where there was you know, whenever 1:27:05.160 --> 1:27:08.920 you have situations with with the beloved or powerful figure 1:27:09.040 --> 1:27:12.479 at an institution, it just gets it can get so 1:27:12.720 --> 1:27:15.679 weirdly complicated in so many ways. So I think that 1:27:15.720 --> 1:27:20.040 this episode was deeply important in terms of exposing that 1:27:20.160 --> 1:27:23.280 talking about that, pointing to that and trying to reckon 1:27:23.320 --> 1:27:26.360 with it, and that the law is in many ways 1:27:26.360 --> 1:27:30.280 hamstrong at times, you know, to get evidence. 1:27:29.920 --> 1:27:33.519 Is really hard, Yeah, especially these cases that are that 1:27:33.600 --> 1:27:37.000 are old and there's statut of limitations and things like that, And. 1:27:36.960 --> 1:27:40.519 It adds like to the annoyance when things go down 1:27:40.560 --> 1:27:42.120 and people are like, we'll go to the cops or 1:27:42.160 --> 1:27:43.720 do this or do that, and it's like, it's so 1:27:43.800 --> 1:27:46.760 much harder than that, and why, Like, it's frustrating when 1:27:46.760 --> 1:27:50.880 people don't see how difficult it is to come forward 1:27:51.000 --> 1:27:55.040 or have anything. Then positive happen from that. Anyways, on 1:27:55.439 --> 1:27:58.839 I guess a lighter note, is there any of your 1:27:59.120 --> 1:28:01.799 rent casts made so that you would love to see 1:28:01.960 --> 1:28:02.639 on SVU? 1:28:03.160 --> 1:28:05.040 Well, honestly don't know who all's been on which of 1:28:05.120 --> 1:28:08.360 the which ones has? I mean, I always am so 1:28:08.479 --> 1:28:10.960 happy when Moist and Jermaine Ready just in front of 1:28:11.000 --> 1:28:14.719 a camera get to do just to show saying Daffy 1:28:14.800 --> 1:28:15.960 rubin Vega has she been? 1:28:16.200 --> 1:28:19.200 I think Daphney Rubin Vega has been on one, if 1:28:19.280 --> 1:28:21.960 not SVU, I think she's been on the Mothership, but 1:28:22.240 --> 1:28:24.320 I think I'm almost positive she has. 1:28:24.479 --> 1:28:27.000 I mean Freddie Walker, I mean all of them anyway, yeah, yeah, 1:28:27.240 --> 1:28:28.360 just like at this point, come on. 1:28:28.560 --> 1:28:30.840 Is that what you get recognized the most from or 1:28:30.880 --> 1:28:33.000 now with the Star Trek fan universe? 1:28:33.640 --> 1:28:36.400 Is that it's hard to tell these things. It's probably 1:28:36.439 --> 1:28:40.160 a mixture of both. It does happen, and it happens 1:28:40.160 --> 1:28:42.960 like when I travel internationally, you know, it's kind of 1:28:43.000 --> 1:28:43.960 a wild thing. 1:28:44.640 --> 1:28:46.360 Yeah, I can kind of feel like I can. 1:28:46.400 --> 1:28:48.360 Feel it happening, like I don't know if when you 1:28:48.439 --> 1:28:50.559 talk to other people who get recognized, like you can 1:28:50.600 --> 1:28:52.640 kind of like it's like almost like I feel like 1:28:52.680 --> 1:28:59.080 an energetic, you know, magnetic vibration coming. And I was like, okay, 1:28:59.120 --> 1:29:00.440 I'm getting recognized. 1:29:00.439 --> 1:29:03.600 You know, because somebody is usually staring at you for 1:29:03.640 --> 1:29:05.720 a few minutes before, so I think you're feeling the 1:29:05.760 --> 1:29:08.479 power of the stair for Yeah, I. 1:29:08.920 --> 1:29:12.800 Played poker pretty regularly when it's not pandemic time, like 1:29:12.960 --> 1:29:16.080 you know. And my friend Kurt, he's really closer in mind. 1:29:16.080 --> 1:29:18.800 When we sit at a table together, he will try 1:29:18.840 --> 1:29:20.880 to like have me guess, like if he sees that 1:29:20.960 --> 1:29:23.080 somebody's recognizing me or they're going to ask me, He's like, 1:29:23.240 --> 1:29:25.080 what do you think they recognized your from? So we 1:29:25.160 --> 1:29:27.200 have this little thing like trying, I guess, and a 1:29:27.240 --> 1:29:29.559 lot of times I can, like sometimes there it's like 1:29:29.680 --> 1:29:34.200 road trip or Days Confused. Yeah, you know so, but 1:29:34.280 --> 1:29:36.160 sometimes we're surprised. Sometimes we're surprised. 1:29:36.479 --> 1:29:41.560 We're big, dazed and huge. Yeah, And like Adventures in Babysitting, 1:29:41.600 --> 1:29:43.320 I mean, I can't believe that that was like your 1:29:43.600 --> 1:29:45.400 Is that like your first that's like your first major 1:29:45.439 --> 1:29:48.160 credit Adventures and Babysitting, that's my first film. Yeah. 1:29:48.200 --> 1:29:50.040 Wow, And I was fifteen when I did it. 1:29:50.160 --> 1:29:51.200 He knocked it out of the park. 1:29:51.479 --> 1:29:51.960 Thank you. 1:29:53.200 --> 1:29:55.200 While you were on the set of Days, did it 1:29:55.320 --> 1:29:58.800 feel extra special, like did you know everyone was gonna 1:29:58.840 --> 1:29:59.679 be awesome forever? 1:30:00.000 --> 1:30:01.880 Well, I mean I didn't know that. You never know that, 1:30:01.920 --> 1:30:05.200 but it thought incredibly special. It was a wonderful project 1:30:05.200 --> 1:30:05.760 to be a part of it. 1:30:06.080 --> 1:30:09.200 Yeah, it feels like everybody became so hugely famous after 1:30:09.280 --> 1:30:10.160 that in that movie. 1:30:10.200 --> 1:30:12.280 Yeah, I mean, you know, that's just sort of like, oh, 1:30:12.280 --> 1:30:14.920 that's cool that happened, you know. I mean I loved 1:30:15.080 --> 1:30:18.479 watching Parker Posi work. I loved watching Matt mcconne work. 1:30:18.600 --> 1:30:21.599 I don't know necessarily that means they're going to be superstars, right, 1:30:21.880 --> 1:30:25.160 I'm not surprised that they're superstars. You know, I think 1:30:25.280 --> 1:30:29.160 they deserve it. But yeah, it was a really really 1:30:29.200 --> 1:30:33.160 special experience of people coming together and Rick Link later 1:30:33.240 --> 1:30:38.320 creating a wonderfully collaborative creative environment in which we felt 1:30:38.640 --> 1:30:43.760 very free to do our thing. And there was a 1:30:43.800 --> 1:30:46.639 lot of purity in that experience that I would love 1:30:46.680 --> 1:30:48.639 to be a part of everything I do, and sometimes 1:30:48.680 --> 1:30:52.160 it gets close to that, but that's it was extra special. Yeah. 1:30:52.720 --> 1:30:55.160 Can I ask a quick question about SPU because you 1:30:55.200 --> 1:30:57.960 did do the two episodes, So Bound was in two 1:30:58.000 --> 1:31:00.400 thousand and four, Lessons Learned was in two thousan twelve, 1:31:00.520 --> 1:31:03.120 so eight years passed between you go doing these two 1:31:03.200 --> 1:31:05.920 Did you feel any like differences on the set between 1:31:05.960 --> 1:31:07.600 like the two times? 1:31:09.560 --> 1:31:15.040 Huge difference. So the main consistent piece was Marishia and 1:31:15.200 --> 1:31:21.360 both times she was wonderful, and it was especially impressive 1:31:21.439 --> 1:31:25.040 to come back eight years later and see how hard 1:31:25.120 --> 1:31:28.960 she works, that she's you know, so involved as not 1:31:29.120 --> 1:31:32.000 just as the star but also as a producer. She 1:31:32.439 --> 1:31:35.120 cares as much eight years later as she did eight 1:31:35.160 --> 1:31:38.519 years before, and having been on various film sets and 1:31:39.160 --> 1:31:42.280 TV shows. You know, the number one on the call 1:31:42.320 --> 1:31:44.120 sheet they called me like that's the term we call 1:31:44.160 --> 1:31:47.040 it the league. They set a tone, and the tone 1:31:47.080 --> 1:31:51.439 that she sets is a wonderful tone that uh, and 1:31:51.479 --> 1:31:56.639 she's she was incredibly welcoming both times, so I so 1:31:56.880 --> 1:32:01.320 appreciate her and appreciate that about the spirtsial times. The 1:32:01.439 --> 1:32:05.000 number two was very different both times. It was Chris 1:32:05.040 --> 1:32:09.080 Maloney the first time, and then it was, uh, it 1:32:09.200 --> 1:32:13.800 was great, it was great, great, great. Chris Maloney was 1:32:13.840 --> 1:32:16.320 not great to me. To me, like in terms of 1:32:16.320 --> 1:32:19.639 how he treated me, it was not great great, that's terrible, 1:32:19.760 --> 1:32:23.720 not great. Mariska one hundred percent beautiful experience working with 1:32:23.800 --> 1:32:27.400 Jane Krakowski, one hundred percent beautiful experience. Chris Maloney was 1:32:28.439 --> 1:32:31.040 having issues and I was lying dead on the floor 1:32:31.080 --> 1:32:33.920 in my own blood for far too long while Chris 1:32:33.960 --> 1:32:37.479 Molley worked out some of his issues. I mean it 1:32:37.560 --> 1:32:39.920 was his his issues were like his own frustrations with 1:32:40.160 --> 1:32:42.880 what he was doing. But he just it just didn't 1:32:43.040 --> 1:32:45.760 you know, he wasn't at all gracious about the fact 1:32:45.800 --> 1:32:47.639 that I was lying on the ground in my own 1:32:47.640 --> 1:32:49.880 blood for like a really long time while he was, 1:32:50.160 --> 1:32:58.040 you know, having his issues. So yeah, Marishka genius. I 1:32:58.080 --> 1:33:00.760 love it, and you know, like a shining example of 1:33:00.880 --> 1:33:04.639 what that person in that position should how they should 1:33:04.640 --> 1:33:05.240 always connect to. 1:33:05.320 --> 1:33:07.680 Yeah, that's truly what many people have told us. That 1:33:07.720 --> 1:33:10.040 she's just like sets the whole tone and she's just 1:33:10.080 --> 1:33:13.200 so wonderful and well dying to talk to her one day. 1:33:14.640 --> 1:33:15.840 So let me ask you a question. 1:33:15.920 --> 1:33:18.960 So in your first episode, while you were innocent, you 1:33:19.000 --> 1:33:21.439 were kind of a jerk, and then in your second 1:33:21.479 --> 1:33:24.000 episode you were a victim. So like, let's say they're 1:33:24.000 --> 1:33:26.120 having you come back for your third SVU. You're a 1:33:26.200 --> 1:33:28.360 totally new character. What what are you itching to play? 1:33:28.400 --> 1:33:31.000 Do you want to be like a serial killer like 1:33:31.120 --> 1:33:32.559 a cool teacher? 1:33:33.640 --> 1:33:35.040 Yeah, I got to do it. I got to I 1:33:35.040 --> 1:33:36.840 don't know if you were here. The show was very 1:33:36.840 --> 1:33:40.720 shortly called Kidnapped. It was a while ago, okay, but 1:33:40.760 --> 1:33:42.840 I got to play a serial killer on that, and 1:33:43.120 --> 1:33:46.960 it was it was a really cool like world to 1:33:47.840 --> 1:33:50.920 dig into and just sort of like explore, you know, 1:33:51.000 --> 1:33:53.599 as an actor. So yeah, that it would be cool 1:33:53.640 --> 1:33:57.080 to play somebody kind of diabolical, you know. I think 1:33:57.080 --> 1:33:59.599 it's really one of the jobs of an actor is 1:33:59.640 --> 1:34:01.880 to pull a mirror up to all sizes of the 1:34:01.960 --> 1:34:04.559 human experience and you know, for better or worse. There 1:34:04.600 --> 1:34:09.879 are serial killers, maniacs, narcissistic personality disorder, people who are president, 1:34:10.120 --> 1:34:14.280 stuff like that. So I think that it's important to 1:34:14.320 --> 1:34:19.280 have opportunities to live inside those characters, to kind of 1:34:19.320 --> 1:34:21.960 show the world who they are as a way of 1:34:22.600 --> 1:34:25.599 helping understand more aspects of the human condition and how 1:34:25.640 --> 1:34:26.400 you combat that. 1:34:27.040 --> 1:34:30.160 And do you end up having to like have empathy 1:34:30.200 --> 1:34:32.800 for the evil people you play? Are you abble to 1:34:32.840 --> 1:34:35.840 not do that and still understand you kind of have. 1:34:35.840 --> 1:34:38.920 To have You have to live in their shoes. So 1:34:39.240 --> 1:34:41.599 you know, every person is the star of their own story, 1:34:42.240 --> 1:34:45.760 so you have to find some way to You can't 1:34:45.800 --> 1:34:49.439 condescend to them. That doesn't mean that I personally will 1:34:49.800 --> 1:34:54.120 ever agree with them or believe that they're right, but 1:34:54.200 --> 1:34:57.719 they have to believe that, so you can't. That's my business, 1:34:57.760 --> 1:35:02.759 my you know, philosophical approach to acting. I can't judge 1:35:02.800 --> 1:35:07.200 them while I'm playing. So when I was in school ties, 1:35:07.360 --> 1:35:12.200 i played a virulent anti Semite. So it was really hard, 1:35:12.240 --> 1:35:14.160 Like I had to spend one day of shooting, I 1:35:14.160 --> 1:35:17.120 had to spend thirteen hours just saying terrible things. Terrible 1:35:17.120 --> 1:35:19.000 things had to come out of my mouth for thirteen hours. 1:35:20.000 --> 1:35:22.679 I did, however, have to find why is this person? 1:35:22.840 --> 1:35:26.120 What is driving this person to behave this way? And 1:35:26.360 --> 1:35:29.759 you know, I could ultimately kind of understand that people 1:35:30.120 --> 1:35:33.640 who exhibit this so much, they're threatened, they're afraid, is 1:35:33.680 --> 1:35:35.720 what they grow up with. It's a way, it's a 1:35:35.720 --> 1:35:37.800 defense mechanism, all those things. So I can understand that 1:35:37.840 --> 1:35:40.320 as a human being. Doesn't mean I will ever agree 1:35:40.320 --> 1:35:43.080 with him, but I do have to commit fully to 1:35:43.160 --> 1:35:45.639 it while I'm playing, right, I have to honor it 1:35:45.760 --> 1:35:49.160 as their argument beings who behave this way, and it's 1:35:49.200 --> 1:35:51.439 my job to bring the truth of that to the 1:35:51.479 --> 1:35:54.720 forefront when I'm playing it because because the story. I 1:35:54.720 --> 1:35:56.320 would never do it if it was a story that 1:35:56.479 --> 1:35:58.559 was trying to say this is the right way to think, 1:35:58.640 --> 1:36:01.240 if this was if the story was in it right, 1:36:01.320 --> 1:36:04.040 But I had an obligation to play it to the 1:36:04.160 --> 1:36:05.720 help that makes sense. 1:36:06.080 --> 1:36:09.240 Yeah, that's cool. Can we so can we talk a 1:36:09.280 --> 1:36:11.479 little bit about your Star Trek character because my husband 1:36:11.520 --> 1:36:15.320 was telling me that your character is openly gay and 1:36:15.479 --> 1:36:18.080 is the only is like the first openly gay character 1:36:18.160 --> 1:36:21.599 on Star Trek, Yes, which is shocking because Star Trek 1:36:21.600 --> 1:36:24.800 has always been like very racially diverse, and like, you know, 1:36:25.000 --> 1:36:27.840 my husband's like a huge star trek person. So it's 1:36:27.840 --> 1:36:30.400 just interesting that it took like till, you know, twenty 1:36:30.439 --> 1:36:32.760 seventeen or I'm sorry, whenever the show began for you 1:36:32.880 --> 1:36:34.640 that it would be that it would take that long 1:36:34.680 --> 1:36:36.160 for them to be an openly gay character. 1:36:36.640 --> 1:36:39.240 Yeah, and so Jonathan Franks, who was the original Wriker 1:36:39.360 --> 1:36:42.519 in Next Gen, he's become a friend. He's directed several 1:36:42.560 --> 1:36:45.960 of our episodes. He's a great person and he's very 1:36:45.960 --> 1:36:48.320 open talking about his experiences being on the show. There 1:36:48.320 --> 1:36:50.479 were times when they were doing Next Generation where they 1:36:50.479 --> 1:36:54.240 were agitating for some kind of gay storyline, gay characters, 1:36:54.280 --> 1:36:58.439 and at the time, the network was just saying no, no, no. So, 1:36:58.880 --> 1:37:01.960 you know, Gene Roddenbert, we talked to George Taka back 1:37:01.960 --> 1:37:04.080 in the day about maybe Supa could be gay. But 1:37:04.120 --> 1:37:07.080 it's like Gene Rodberts, like, I want to, but the 1:37:07.120 --> 1:37:09.439 network would never allow. It's hard enough to get a 1:37:09.439 --> 1:37:11.760 black woman on the bridge. It's hard enough to you know, 1:37:11.880 --> 1:37:13.920 do to have you on the bridge. You know, we 1:37:14.000 --> 1:37:15.479 got to take the steps that we can take them. 1:37:15.600 --> 1:37:20.320 So there's always been from the inside a desire for it. 1:37:20.320 --> 1:37:22.720 It just sadly took too long. And at the same time, 1:37:22.760 --> 1:37:25.720 I'm incredibly honored that I am that I get to 1:37:25.720 --> 1:37:28.200 carry that mantle. And then alongside me is Wilson Cruiz 1:37:28.200 --> 1:37:31.080 has placed my character's partner, and now we have the 1:37:31.120 --> 1:37:34.840 first ever non binary character played by a non binary actor, 1:37:34.880 --> 1:37:39.960 Blue del Barrio, and the first ever trans character played 1:37:39.960 --> 1:37:44.000 by a transactor, Ian Alexander So and take Nataro is 1:37:44.720 --> 1:37:47.559 like a recurring character of lesbian character. So it's like 1:37:47.840 --> 1:37:50.160 it's the queerest track ever, we like to say, you know, 1:37:50.640 --> 1:37:53.160 but it's been profoundly embraced by the fandom, the straight 1:37:53.240 --> 1:37:54.240 end and queer fandom. 1:37:54.400 --> 1:37:56.720 I love it. It's like when it rains, it pores. 1:37:56.600 --> 1:38:01.080 And Cruta has had a very big queer fanom forever, yeah, 1:38:01.680 --> 1:38:05.080 alongside all the tons of other fans also, So there's 1:38:05.120 --> 1:38:06.280 been a hunger for it. 1:38:06.320 --> 1:38:06.800 I'm glad. 1:38:06.880 --> 1:38:09.280 I'm so glad the floodgates are open now and everybody's 1:38:09.960 --> 1:38:12.360 coming to the Star Trek party. 1:38:12.960 --> 1:38:13.840 What else are you up to? 1:38:13.880 --> 1:38:15.960 Do you have other projects that are going on besides 1:38:16.040 --> 1:38:17.880 or are you just like focused on Star Trek right 1:38:17.920 --> 1:38:18.519 now or. 1:38:18.920 --> 1:38:22.680 That's the big active project I have. I'm also I 1:38:22.720 --> 1:38:26.479 write sometimes and I was invited to contribute a story 1:38:26.560 --> 1:38:31.000 to an anthology that's coming out this summer called Swordstone Table, 1:38:31.160 --> 1:38:38.360 and it's like modern and alternate universe takes on some 1:38:38.400 --> 1:38:43.280 of the Arthurian legends and it's by queer and writers 1:38:43.280 --> 1:38:45.479 of color. It's like taking those seeds and kind of 1:38:45.520 --> 1:38:48.040 spitting them out. So I contributed a story to that 1:38:48.080 --> 1:38:51.599 anthology that I'm really proud of being a part of that. 1:38:52.720 --> 1:38:55.759 So that comes out. I think it's June or July 1:38:55.920 --> 1:38:56.559 that it comes out. 1:38:57.040 --> 1:38:59.519 Are you dying to get back on stage or you're 1:38:59.600 --> 1:39:02.240 having a. 1:39:01.560 --> 1:39:03.160 I'm I'm not dying to I mean I would love 1:39:03.200 --> 1:39:05.720 sitting back the stage. Yeah, but you know I would 1:39:05.720 --> 1:39:08.320 love for stage to be back so I can also 1:39:08.320 --> 1:39:09.320 be an audience member. 1:39:09.600 --> 1:39:11.439 Well that's what I was gonna say. That was my 1:39:11.600 --> 1:39:16.000 next question is do you have like a dream theater 1:39:16.160 --> 1:39:19.479 going experience that you like think about during like I 1:39:19.520 --> 1:39:21.040 have thought about this year where you're like, I can't 1:39:21.080 --> 1:39:23.559 wait to grab dinner there, go there see this play 1:39:24.040 --> 1:39:26.200 that you know or shows that you missed out on 1:39:26.240 --> 1:39:27.639 because the pandemic happened. 1:39:27.840 --> 1:39:29.479 Yeah, I mean there were things that were in the pipeline. 1:39:29.520 --> 1:39:32.840 It's hard to even remember exactly what was happening because 1:39:32.840 --> 1:39:36.120 I've been here also in Toronto, so it's I mean, 1:39:36.320 --> 1:39:39.920 I got I was lucky to see Slave Play, you know, 1:39:40.040 --> 1:39:43.960 before it closed. It was an extraordinary evening of theater. 1:39:45.439 --> 1:39:48.240 My brother had a play on Broadway called The Sound 1:39:48.280 --> 1:39:52.040 Inside that with Mary Louise Parker. That was a beautiful, 1:39:52.720 --> 1:39:55.760 a beautiful play, you know, So things like that. You know, 1:39:55.760 --> 1:39:58.240 I got to see the original cast of Hamilton several times, 1:39:58.360 --> 1:40:00.960 you know, but just anything that I can go in 1:40:01.000 --> 1:40:03.760 the theater and what the Constitution means to me was 1:40:03.760 --> 1:40:05.439 one of the things that I saw in the last 1:40:05.520 --> 1:40:08.479 couple of years before you know, before it being changed. 1:40:08.760 --> 1:40:10.479 These are the kinds of experiences that I want to 1:40:10.479 --> 1:40:11.360 go to the theater to have. 1:40:11.720 --> 1:40:14.800 Yeah, well, we also were kind of wondering, like how 1:40:14.840 --> 1:40:17.320 does it work, Like after you're like a Broadway legend 1:40:17.320 --> 1:40:20.160 who's been in rent and you want to go see 1:40:20.160 --> 1:40:21.960 Broadway shows, do they just give you like a legend 1:40:21.960 --> 1:40:23.760 card and you just get in, or like do you 1:40:23.760 --> 1:40:25.600 stuff the shows. 1:40:26.240 --> 1:40:29.000 Go to shows? Yeah, you don't. These producers do not 1:40:29.040 --> 1:40:32.080 get free tickets. They get free tickets to Tony voters 1:40:32.200 --> 1:40:34.639 and press, and that's pretty much it. 1:40:34.720 --> 1:40:37.439 Oh No, I wanted to hear like a cool card 1:40:37.479 --> 1:40:38.320 you guys all had. 1:40:38.560 --> 1:40:42.200 Yeah, I mean so my fiance wanted he you know, 1:40:42.280 --> 1:40:44.360 I didn't really want to see necessarily, but he wanted to, 1:40:44.360 --> 1:40:46.000 so I wanted to take him to see Hello Dolly. 1:40:46.080 --> 1:40:47.720 So I was like, I could. What I can do 1:40:47.840 --> 1:40:49.840 is I can write to my manager and saying, can 1:40:49.880 --> 1:40:52.840 you help your raise tickets? But it's not the pay 1:40:52.920 --> 1:40:53.280 for them. 1:40:53.479 --> 1:40:55.719 But they did, you see. 1:40:55.720 --> 1:40:59.599 Bet No, we didn't go because they wanted They wouldn't 1:40:59.640 --> 1:41:02.840 even offer regular tickets. They would only offer the ultra 1:41:03.000 --> 1:41:06.599 premium tickets. And I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm not paying 1:41:07.600 --> 1:41:11.120 almost two thousand dollars to go to see that to 1:41:11.280 --> 1:41:13.760 learn how a dollar I'm just not doing it, So 1:41:14.400 --> 1:41:15.920 forgive me, I'm not doing it. 1:41:16.320 --> 1:41:18.400 I went twice. I did it. I said a lot. 1:41:19.520 --> 1:41:20.360 I'm happy for you. 1:41:20.520 --> 1:41:30.800 I had to see her. Oh that was cool. That 1:41:31.000 --> 1:41:31.559 was so fun. 1:41:31.560 --> 1:41:34.639 I feel like my high school self is totally freaking out. 1:41:34.640 --> 1:41:37.080 My best friend has like a Rent tattoo, Like we 1:41:37.280 --> 1:41:40.720 were so into Rent in high school and to talk 1:41:40.760 --> 1:41:43.519 to him was a total dream. So I'm so happy 1:41:43.520 --> 1:41:45.400 he took the time to talk to us. Now let's 1:41:45.439 --> 1:41:48.360 get into our post mortem. Lisa, what'd you learn from 1:41:48.439 --> 1:41:51.080 lessons learned? What are the lessons that you learned? 1:41:51.880 --> 1:41:55.559 Honestly, I learned that I go YadA, YadA, YadA way 1:41:55.560 --> 1:41:58.360 too much in this episode. I was I was like 1:41:58.400 --> 1:42:00.960 a Seinfeld episode. I kept like, so you know then 1:42:01.000 --> 1:42:04.719 that happens. 1:42:05.240 --> 1:42:09.280 I mean, I learned that people really thought the seventies 1:42:09.320 --> 1:42:14.040 were like a lawless wasteland of job molestation, and I 1:42:14.040 --> 1:42:16.080 can't believe it's just not generally accepted that a teacher 1:42:16.120 --> 1:42:18.920 should not have any kind of sexual touch with a student. 1:42:19.600 --> 1:42:22.200 But here, Yeah, I wish I learned more, But I 1:42:22.240 --> 1:42:24.280 think it's like, I guess I learned that I was 1:42:24.400 --> 1:42:27.920 right in the world is the worst and that institutional 1:42:29.080 --> 1:42:33.240 rape is fucked up and we need to burn the 1:42:33.280 --> 1:42:35.880 patriarchy to the ground. I don't know, I can't even 1:42:36.160 --> 1:42:39.439 Yeah that I learned that parents will still continue to 1:42:39.479 --> 1:42:41.920 send their kids to a rape school, Like I don't know, 1:42:42.000 --> 1:42:44.000 that seems crazy, That's what I was going to say. 1:42:44.000 --> 1:42:45.680 I'm like, I learned that, like it's sort of like 1:42:45.920 --> 1:42:48.519 reputation and all that it seems to be more important 1:42:48.520 --> 1:42:50.479 than like doing the right thing for a lot of 1:42:50.560 --> 1:42:54.280 parents in terms of like elite private schools, like I 1:42:54.320 --> 1:42:58.000 would have respected a school that, like you said, nipped 1:42:58.000 --> 1:42:59.760 it in the bud was like, we took care of 1:42:59.760 --> 1:43:03.960 this problem, but this school is still completely thriving after 1:43:04.080 --> 1:43:07.560 this massive scandal from almost a decade ago. 1:43:07.920 --> 1:43:13.280 Ranked Yeah highly. I learned that the costume department's pretty 1:43:13.280 --> 1:43:16.680 cool with their will co subliginal messages like I mean, 1:43:16.720 --> 1:43:18.479 we need we need to talk to someone from the 1:43:18.479 --> 1:43:21.559 costume department. It is just too they are too good, 1:43:21.680 --> 1:43:23.160 not we need scoop. 1:43:23.400 --> 1:43:25.599 Yeah, yeah, we're And I think the will go shirt 1:43:25.640 --> 1:43:29.920 goes on our list of questions. Yeah, and I guess 1:43:30.640 --> 1:43:33.439 keep your eyes open, Like if your son clearly has 1:43:33.520 --> 1:43:36.800 all these struggles and is like not thriving, it might 1:43:36.840 --> 1:43:39.280 be because you let him be exposed to a child 1:43:39.320 --> 1:43:42.160 molester for a long time because you just love your 1:43:42.160 --> 1:43:43.400 own high school so much. 1:43:44.080 --> 1:43:47.519 Yeah. Also, don't love your high school. Yeah that's weird. 1:43:47.840 --> 1:43:53.360 It's weird. It's weird. Stop loving your high school so much. Geez, Okay, 1:43:53.400 --> 1:43:56.479 I love my high school. I'm sorry. Do you have 1:43:56.520 --> 1:43:58.320 a class ring and a shirt? What do you have? 1:43:58.600 --> 1:44:01.000 I still have my senior shirt, not a class ring. 1:44:01.400 --> 1:44:04.040 I have my swim team shirt, but it's a baseball 1:44:04.200 --> 1:44:07.840 cut and I love baseball three quarter length shirts a lot. 1:44:08.439 --> 1:44:10.240 I mean, I was editor of the yearbook, I was 1:44:10.280 --> 1:44:12.040 treasurer of the school. I had a great time. 1:44:12.080 --> 1:44:14.479 But I'm not like I can't look at any of 1:44:14.479 --> 1:44:16.400 the bad problems that have happened in my high school 1:44:16.439 --> 1:44:17.000 because it's. 1:44:16.880 --> 1:44:20.639 Too great of a place. Yeah, if there's any changes 1:44:20.680 --> 1:44:26.400 in your child in behavior, wardrobe, attitude, grades, anything, don't 1:44:26.439 --> 1:44:29.360 just ignore it. Don't just go I guess hormones or 1:44:29.360 --> 1:44:33.040 they're a loser, Like something happened. Something happened. 1:44:33.080 --> 1:44:38.720 Investigating right, pay attention to your child's moods. And for 1:44:38.800 --> 1:44:41.000 this week's what would Sister Peg Do, which is our 1:44:41.000 --> 1:44:43.800 weekly segment where we direct you guys towards resources or 1:44:43.880 --> 1:44:46.160 organizations that can give you more information on the topic 1:44:46.200 --> 1:44:48.680 we covered in today's episode, I just kind of want 1:44:48.680 --> 1:44:50.880 to point everybody to the New York Times article that 1:44:50.920 --> 1:44:55.400 blew the whole roof off of this scandal by Amos Camille, 1:44:55.439 --> 1:44:58.240 who is a or camel I'm sorry if I'm saying 1:44:58.240 --> 1:45:01.640 his name incorrectly, but we will have that linked in 1:45:01.680 --> 1:45:04.360 our show notes and in our Instagram stories. You can 1:45:04.360 --> 1:45:06.599 find all of our what would Sister peg do segments 1:45:06.600 --> 1:45:08.680 in a highlight on our Instagram. By the way, if 1:45:08.680 --> 1:45:11.240 you want to go back and support any of the 1:45:11.400 --> 1:45:13.679 organizations we've linked to you in the past. 1:45:15.280 --> 1:45:17.880 Also, you said Amos, and that reminded me of Famous 1:45:17.880 --> 1:45:20.320 Amos Cookies, and that reminded me that he was on 1:45:20.360 --> 1:45:22.640 an episode of Shark Tank if that interests any of 1:45:22.680 --> 1:45:23.880 our listeners. 1:45:23.479 --> 1:45:25.960 But any of the guy who invented famous amous cookies 1:45:26.040 --> 1:45:27.400 was on an episode of Shark Tank. 1:45:27.680 --> 1:45:30.679 Yeah, with like a new product. They are my favorite cookies. 1:45:30.720 --> 1:45:32.840 I love them so much. I thought you were going 1:45:32.920 --> 1:45:35.120 to say, shut up, why are you talking? No, I 1:45:35.160 --> 1:45:37.800 can't believe it. They grasped you. No. 1:45:37.920 --> 1:45:40.080 They are so good and crunchy and that is really 1:45:40.160 --> 1:45:42.439 really exciting. And I'm sorry that we just bounced right 1:45:42.479 --> 1:45:45.800 from a expos on school molestation to cookies, but that's 1:45:45.880 --> 1:45:47.160 kind of what this podcast is. 1:45:47.240 --> 1:45:50.559 So wait, are you a crunchy cookie over a soft cookie? Girl? 1:45:51.040 --> 1:45:54.400 It depends like if it's soft from like a bakery, yes, 1:45:54.479 --> 1:45:56.280 but like if I'm buying it in a grocery store, 1:45:56.560 --> 1:46:00.360 like I like a tats I like a famous Amos crunchy. 1:46:00.280 --> 1:46:04.680 Oh tates don't like unions or something. Yeah, tastes but 1:46:04.800 --> 1:46:09.120 they're delicious. Yeahh god, now I want an oreo. 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