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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Andy and Samantha and welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I've never told you production of iHeart Radio. Okay, y'all,

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Speaker 1: we're back with part two of Women and Romance and

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Speaker 1: where you kind of us that before. So we're talking movies,

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Speaker 1: video games, and music and we kind of just h oh,

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Speaker 1: it's a lot. It's a lot in here, so if

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Speaker 1: you want to, you don't have to. You can also

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Speaker 1: check out part one where we already looked into novels

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Speaker 1: and fan fiction as well, and it definitely had a

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Speaker 1: lot in there about all of that. And so moving

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Speaker 1: right along, I want to name off some famous lines

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Speaker 1: and see if you know what movie they are from. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: and these are all epic romance movies. But I don't

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Speaker 1: have an experience in this field, so I'm a lot

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Speaker 1: of emotions. I try to find very broad, very famous one.

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Speaker 1: So I feel you should because I pulled the one

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Speaker 1: is put your lips together and blow. I picked that office.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think you would know what that movie was.

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Speaker 1: So first line, frankly, my dear, I don't give a

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Speaker 1: I've never known where that was from. Okay, well that

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Speaker 1: is dirty dancing, okay, alright, alright, which has minio remakes.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm gonna have to make you watch

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Speaker 1: which I have not seen. She pushed them off the

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Speaker 1: thing essentially, um, so you know, and then this line

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Speaker 1: complete me Jerry McGuire there go. So okay, okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: four out of five ain't bad. I'm very surprised that

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Speaker 1: you didn't know Jerry dance saying, although I'm not gonna lie,

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Speaker 1: that was the one. I was like, you may not

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Speaker 1: you didn't do too much with eighties romance. I'm sure no,

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Speaker 1: seen any of those movies I've seen Jerry McGuire and

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Speaker 1: Gone with the WIMPs. Yes, okay, you've never seen Princess Bride. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: very impressed with what you did. Yeah, let's talk about movies. Yes, so,

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Speaker 1: when it comes to movies, romance is one of the

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Speaker 1: most popular genres and there are tons and tons and tons,

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Speaker 1: just so many of them. But first, as we like

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Speaker 1: genre where the plot revolves around the love between two

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Speaker 1: They are love stories that focus on passion, emotion, and

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Speaker 1: themes like love at first sight, obsessive, tragic, sexual, passionate,

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Speaker 1: courtship and why do people love that because it's so

429
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Speaker 1: popular and there's tons of podcasts specifically about The Bachelor,

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Speaker 1: So maybe a future episode perhaps and fifty Shades of

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Speaker 1: Gray and the panic around that whole thing, which I

432
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Speaker 1: remember being in the airport and there was a CNN

433
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Speaker 1: report and they were like, what are we gonna do

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Speaker 1: about all these soccer moms reading. I mean, there's a

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Speaker 1: conversation about the way sex and the way it's portrayed

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Speaker 1: does appeal. Again, we didn't really get into the whole

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Speaker 1: conversation of sex within brigtain and how I said it

438
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Speaker 1: as unrealistic, but it's still quite enjoyable. But that also

439
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Speaker 1: can lean to the conversation about how it's filmed, in

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Speaker 1: which we have talked about doing this as episode as well,

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Speaker 1: and how it looks like to be a part of

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Speaker 1: these scenes. But I do have to ask you. I

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Speaker 1: went to a site because I wanted to see who

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Speaker 1: were the most loved characters, specifically male characters and like

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Speaker 1: any of the genres, any of the shows. Do you know,

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Speaker 1: can you name the top five of what all of

447
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Speaker 1: all movies? Yes, I just wanted to know, like specifically,

448
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Speaker 1: like they would give up their relationship for these characters.

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Speaker 1: I just want to know. Oh no, if you know them?

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Speaker 1: Um no, no, well actually the top five, four of

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Speaker 1: them are m c U characters and one of them

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Speaker 1: is a supernatural character. Yeah. The top one was Thor

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Speaker 1: and number two was Dean Winchester. Yeah. I thought it

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Speaker 1: was really interesting. So it's one of these sites that

455
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Speaker 1: you can go on and they do the up votes

456
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Speaker 1: and there's like thousands and thousands and thousands of people

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Speaker 1: going on there. Yeah. I was very surprised by that.

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Speaker 1: I am as well, or it's not who I would

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Speaker 1: go for it, but you know, good arms, lots of

460
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Speaker 1: good things coming on. I understand, well, he was chubby.

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Speaker 1: I feel like the personality is so key to me

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Speaker 1: that yeah. Yeah. Anyway, we have a lot of other

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Speaker 1: video game based stuff to talk about, but first we're

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Speaker 1: gonna fause for a quick break for word from our

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Speaker 1: sponsor and we're back, Thank you sponsor. So yes we

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Speaker 1: have we have to talk about video games. While romance

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Speaker 1: is not the center of most video games I play,

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Speaker 1: it does usually have a decent role, and sometimes a

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Speaker 1: very significant one. In my experience, the playable character is

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Speaker 1: usually a male and the romantic interest is a hot

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Speaker 1: woman who, while capable, also probably serves as the damsel

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Speaker 1: in distress. And you can see our Princess Peach slash

473
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Speaker 1: Princess Told School episode for one of the most iconic

474
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Speaker 1: examples on that, and quite possibly dies to kick start

475
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Speaker 1: the mail revenge plotline. While there are amazing female characters

476
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Speaker 1: and some of these narratives, that doesn't change the fact

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Speaker 1: that by nature, most of the protagonists are playable characters

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Speaker 1: being male. Because of that, it means that the romance

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Speaker 1: in most of these games is seen through a male lens.

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, there are plenty of games where

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Speaker 1: your choices impact who you end up with. Depending on

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Speaker 1: the game, there can be a diverse pool of candidates,

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Speaker 1: and there are games that are romance games, like straight

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Speaker 1: romance games where you get like heart points. I don't

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Speaker 1: know any of those, so I'm not going to be

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Speaker 1: discussing them, but I will try to highlight bigger examples

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Speaker 1: from games that I have not played. So let's get

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Speaker 1: into it. One of the reasons that we wanted to

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Speaker 1: talk about video games specifically that I was like, you

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Speaker 1: know what, we need to talk about this with this romance.

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Speaker 1: Joseph Gordon Levitt, who was recently on Hot Ones, one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite shows, was talking about the impact of

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Speaker 1: the Internet, the impact of things like YouTube and other

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Speaker 1: forms of viewing and storytelling. He's scifically said that he

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Speaker 1: thought the new wave of storytelling would come specifically from

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Speaker 1: video games and RPGs, And so I thought that interesting

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Speaker 1: because that is a big conversation. As I witnessed you

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Speaker 1: and my partner getting real into the Last of Us

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Speaker 1: and him loving Whicher and now Cyberpunk like it's something

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Speaker 1: that I have watched, and then we know many a

501
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: listeners and many of gamers they fall in love or

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Speaker 1: really really feel empathy towards these characters, and it is

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Speaker 1: it kind of like, Wow, it's creating a whole new

504
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Speaker 1: form of entertainment and a whole new way of fighting

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Speaker 1: the romance genre within these things. And one of those

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Speaker 1: things is choose your own I feel like that might

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Speaker 1: be one that would be of My Alley, which is

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Speaker 1: a subset of romance games which is either a point

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Speaker 1: based or open world system in which our actions ultimately

510
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Speaker 1: influenced who you end up with romantically or don't or

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Speaker 1: don't which I kind of asked people repeatedly, why do

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Speaker 1: you do this is a video game? I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: But as we talked about, if this is a storytelling

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Speaker 1: and this is a new format of storytelling and then

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Speaker 1: it is more involved because this is an RPG, then

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Speaker 1: that makes sense. And so we're gonna do some spoilers

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Speaker 1: for some of these games. Yeah, I know, I feel

518
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Speaker 1: like I've really I really mess up where I forget

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Speaker 1: that not everybody let's play these games as much as

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Speaker 1: I have. But yeah, it is interesting to see like

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Speaker 1: HBO is going to make the Last of Us and

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Speaker 1: which are on Netflix like we are seeing them. For

523
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Speaker 1: so long video game movies have been looked down on,

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Speaker 1: but which, by the way, the Witcher was the highest

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Speaker 1: view before. Ah. Alright, So one of my favorite games

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Speaker 1: of all time is Final Fantasy seven, and it's so complicated.

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Speaker 1: But the brief, briefest thing. This is part of a

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Speaker 1: long running role playing series that are based in fantasy

529
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Speaker 1: worlds and usually involve you try to save the world.

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Speaker 1: They're not normally connected to each other, they're kind of standalones.

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Speaker 1: So in Final Fantasy seven and the recently released remake

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Speaker 1: that I put in quotes, the main playable character is

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Speaker 1: Cloud and remember, Samantha, how you helped me get him

534
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Speaker 1: on Super Splash Brothers. Yeah, I was very confused about

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Speaker 1: what we were doing, but we did it. We did it.

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Speaker 1: So Codd is a no nonsense mercenary doesn't talk a lot.

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Speaker 1: Throughout the game, you have multiple opportunities to influence who you,

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Speaker 1: as the main character Cloud, end up with romantically or

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Speaker 1: have romantic situations with the two main characters in the

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Speaker 1: running our Clouds childhood friend Tifa, who is a scrappy

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Speaker 1: fighter and a member of an environmental organization trying to

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Speaker 1: save the world and aress slash ereth this English mistranslation,

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Speaker 1: who is a kind flower woman who is also an

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Speaker 1: ancient world power connected to the plant which is dying.

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Speaker 1: Tifa is dressed very provocatively, like really big boobs, like

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Speaker 1: the animators went wild in the original with the boobs. Also,

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Speaker 1: the first person I ever went to Dragon con as

548
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Speaker 1: I did not have the boobs was the the appeal No,

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Speaker 1: I just like Tifa. Also, her costume was really easy.

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Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be real real with you. It's basically

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Speaker 1: just to a crop top and short shorts. All right, then, Okay.

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Speaker 1: While Airis is in shades of pink and red um,

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Speaker 1: she's more innocent in her betrayal. I would say Aires

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Speaker 1: is the easiest to end up with, Like, if you

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Speaker 1: aren't actively trying to end up with someone else, you'll

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Speaker 1: probably get her. And that's part of the tragedy of

557
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Speaker 1: her dying spoiler alert. And and that's a very dramatic storyline.

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Speaker 1: I cried and cried. I will never forget that moment.

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Speaker 1: But outside of them, you can also end up with

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Speaker 1: you fee you as this flighty thief or Barrett, who

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Speaker 1: is a gruff, crass, big dude with guns for arms,

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Speaker 1: and these romantic point opportunities occurred a few key points.

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Speaker 1: One is one of the big ones that's near the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the game, when you, as Cloud are trying

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Speaker 1: to sneak into this real sketchy guy's house, the Dawn

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Speaker 1: who chooses women to spend the night with him, so

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Speaker 1: you're trying to get him to choose you. So you

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Speaker 1: essentially have to dress as a woman, You get address made,

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Speaker 1: to get your hair done, all that, and based on

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Speaker 1: dialogue choices you pick and other choices you make that

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Speaker 1: influences your future romantic aspects, and later you choose someone

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Speaker 1: for a date. Same thing. I will say the Barrett

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Speaker 1: option is treated as a joke because he is a man,

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Speaker 1: but he's also a really gruff man that, as the player,

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Speaker 1: I think you're meant to assume would be really embarrassed

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Speaker 1: to be thought of as gay. It's just the vibe,

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Speaker 1: I guy. I haven't played the original a long time,

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Speaker 1: but I do seem to remember some homophomic jokes in there,

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Speaker 1: like making fun of Cloud dress as a woman, but

580
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Speaker 1: also laughing at perceived gay characters expenses. I had to

581
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: remake there's less of that going on, but I thought

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Speaker 1: it was worth mentioning. It's safe to say the romance

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Speaker 1: between Eric, who is the total opposite of Cloud, makes

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Speaker 1: him see beauty in the world again. All that, and

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00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: Cloud is the one that the game is guiding you too,

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Speaker 1: and it is more memorable and sad. I suppose it's

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Speaker 1: another example of killing a love interest to jump start

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Speaker 1: the main male character's story. And she does spend much

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Speaker 1: of the game apparel, but she definitely has a story

590
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Speaker 1: of her own, and she doesn't die untild midway through

591
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: a very long game. Okay, it's the second disc of

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Speaker 1: three discs. Is gonna think it's at the end of

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Speaker 1: the second Okay, so there's one also the Mass Effect series,

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Speaker 1: which is one of my favorite series, and I know

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Speaker 1: people hated the ending, don't add me. We're focusing on

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Speaker 1: the main three games here. So the way these games

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Speaker 1: work is that a choice you make in the first

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Speaker 1: game can impact who dies in the third one. I

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Speaker 1: let me tell you, I didn't know that when I

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Speaker 1: first started playing, and I made some reckless decisions and

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Speaker 1: I got very angry about it. So when you start out,

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Speaker 1: you get designed your character. You can choose male female.

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Speaker 1: How they look, etcetera. The default is male, but I

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Speaker 1: played as the female version of the main character, Shepherd

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Speaker 1: or fem Shep as she's called. And throughout the games

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Speaker 1: you can have multiple partners, and you can have flings,

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Speaker 1: you can have long term relationships. I played through every

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Speaker 1: romance possible with aliens, both female and male and non

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Speaker 1: gendered or monogendered. I do think there is one clear

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Speaker 1: heteronormative front runner in every game, but they were always

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Speaker 1: the least interesting in my opinion. I liked Gary, who

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Speaker 1: is sort of reptilian male alien, or ely Are, who

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Speaker 1: is a blue female alien or mono gendered alien. And

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Speaker 1: I've told Amath, but there's a scene in the second

615
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Speaker 1: game where you have to go to a doctor to

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Speaker 1: talk about how to have sex with an alien and

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Speaker 1: he recommended blue. Is great. That's good in general in general,

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Speaker 1: But yes, you pursue these relationships primarily through dialogue options.

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Speaker 1: Who you choose to go on missions with you, you you

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Speaker 1: talked to you, and how often things like that? Right,

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Speaker 1: And in the first game you only had a handful

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Speaker 1: of choices, which is probably why you made such a

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Speaker 1: bad choice. Well, I punched this reporter in the face

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Speaker 1: and for some reason that really impacts something in the

625
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Speaker 1: third game, to the point I went to the coding

626
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Speaker 1: and changed. Okay, okay, But by the third game, Dude

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Speaker 1: Shepherd had nine choices and film Shep had seven. Why

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Speaker 1: less well a little bit of conservatives freaking out actually okay,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, and the second one cut the same sex

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Speaker 1: sex scene and a romance option because apparently, Yeah, the

631
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Speaker 1: Fox News freaked out about it and really hammered at

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Speaker 1: it and said no, this is bad. And the headline

633
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: on the talk show which Chira and about it was

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Speaker 1: sex box. Yeahs, I see the fun and this is

635
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Speaker 1: something to know. Most of the romance culminate in actual

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Speaker 1: cut scenes, and some with sex, others without. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: essentially there's actually a video that you watch where they

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Speaker 1: have sex if, which is rare in in this world

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Speaker 1: of video game romance that I dabbled in. Not in

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Speaker 1: I will definitely ask questions of like why, But I mean,

641
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Speaker 1: it's it's rare in terms of like you could end

642
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 1: up with seven different people and pretty much everyone would

643
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,959
Speaker 1: have a sex scene. But moving on to Oxen Tree,

644
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: which is a game I've talked about before. I absolutely

645
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: adore it, but in terms of the romance of this game.

646
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: You play as a female high schooler, and depending on

647
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: the choices you make in dialogue bubbles, you can influence

648
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: who ends up together and who you end up with

649
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: or don't end up with, and you can really mess

650
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 1: up relationships. You can really mess up relationships, um because

651
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: you get hints on who like like likes each other,

652
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: and you can push them towards each other or push

653
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: them away from each other and purposely mess with their relationships.

654
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: And because you're playing is sort of a quirky outsider,

655
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: while the other two girls in the group are kind

656
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: of eight girls or cool girls, and one of them

657
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: you have a real acts to grind with. Will say

658
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: you can choose to be a vengeful god or benevolent matchmaker.

659
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 1: I guess that is what I'm saying. And then there

660
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: are some that aren't so much choose your own, but

661
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: they're kind of iconic video game romance storyline examples, and

662
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: one of them is another favorite of mine, Final Fantasy ten.

663
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: At the heart of this is a romance between the

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00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: Grand seminar Una and her guardian Titus, which I know

665
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: is like the English way to pronounce it, but that's

666
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 1: just how I pronounce it. Throughout the game, you watch

667
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: their relationship grow from first meeting to tightest coaxing laughter

668
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: out of Una and this really long, awkward laughing scene,

669
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: but it's sweet stopping her from marrying this gross guy

670
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 1: named Seymour to like a really tame but beautiful sex scene.

671
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 1: I'm not sure they really had sex, but it had

672
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: that vibe. Samantha to realizing that their love was doomed.

673
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, oh no. Being the Grand Summinar means that

674
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: you know will die, and Titus has been protecting her

675
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 1: so that she can survive. To die in this ritual,

676
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: which he did not realize. Titus is determined to break

677
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 1: the cycle, but in doing so, he sacrifices himself. Slash

678
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: realizes he's a dream. It's very complicated. The music of

679
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: their romance is beautiful too. But okay, so Final Fantacy Tin,

680
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: you lose Titus, they're torn apart. Let's talk about Final

681
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: Fantasy Tin too, which at the time was a really

682
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: dramatic departure from all other Final Fantasy games. It was

683
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: trying so hard to be cool. I really want to

684
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: do a episode on it because there's so much I

685
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: could say. But for this episode's purposes. Una is the

686
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 1: main character along with two other women, and she joined

687
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: up with these women to search for any trace of

688
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: her lost love Titus. The fighting of Mechanic is outfit

689
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: based Amantha. Uh. And there's a huge concert that you

690
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: all have to sing at, of course, so you gotta

691
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: like practice dance moves and singing. But I wanted to

692
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: include it because it does feel like Una is in

693
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: the wake of lost love and she's trying to figure

694
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: out to move on or not move on. And if

695
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: you do everything just right in the game, you can

696
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: get a cut scene at the end of her reuniting

697
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: with Titus, so it's up for debate whether he's real,

698
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: are still a dream? And did I do this? Oh? Yes?

699
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: Do I have the song they sing at the concert

700
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: my music library? Uh huh, I shure you. It's been

701
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: a long time since I played this game, but I

702
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: still remember thinking, well, at least in the first one,

703
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: You and I was pretty badass. She did fit in

704
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: the role of the healer and sort of a softer

705
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: attack person, and she did more protection spells, but she

706
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: was also the summiner, and she wore feminine clothes but

707
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: not to revealing ones which did change intend to when

708
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: the clothing was much more revealing. But there were all

709
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: also a million costumes to choose from, each with their

710
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: own set of powers and abilities. Some of them are

711
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: quite quite silly and others culturally insensitive. So there's that's

712
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 1: not that's not surprising. God, I want to talk about

713
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: that game so much, but no, We're going to talk

714
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: about Kingdom Hearts now, which is a series where you

715
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: play mostly as Sora, a young male. You probably, even

716
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: if you haven't played this game or heard of it,

717
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: you've seen the videos of trying to explain Kingdom Hearts

718
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: because it is very complicated. But in the game, you

719
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: can visit all kinds of Disney worlds, like you can

720
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: visit Beauty and the Beasts of Frozen, Rapunzel, her Achilles.

721
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 1: You can run into characters from all sorts of Disney

722
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: and later Square Enix titles like Final Fantasy. I was

723
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: really hoping to see Star Wars and Marvel show up

724
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: after Disney botham but alas in the first game, you

725
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: have your young love story between Kirene and Sore, and

726
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: they're kind of like childhood sweethearts in love forever. As

727
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: soon as they met and after Kyrie is captured at

728
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: the beginning of the game, along with six other princesses

729
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: to be used for their hearts to kick start bad stuff.

730
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: You spend much of the game trying to save her,

731
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 1: and in the end she swear to kind of saves you,

732
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: I guess, by giving you her heart. Ar it's your heart,

733
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: but it's been living inside of her, so you can

734
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: bring her back. Complicated. I always thought it was a

735
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: little weird how little time these two characters spent together

736
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: throughout the series, and yet they are still head over

737
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: heels in love with each other, although there is like

738
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: melancholy and longing hanging over their relationship, and with some

739
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: hintings she might be interested in their best friend, Riku,

740
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: who is a dude. Oh no, oh no, so a

741
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: silent hill to which we discuss in Our Women in

742
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: Survival Horror episode. I'm going to mention it again because

743
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: this is something else that we see a lot when

744
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: it comes to women in romance and video games. This

745
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: is also a point based system, but ultimately, you as

746
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: the mail PC, have to confront your wife and the

747
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: fact that you killed her, and depending all the choices

748
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: you make, she's the monster you have to overcome, and

749
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: you might end up with a really one dimensional, sexy,

750
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: annoying version of her. Yeah. Of course, something else we

751
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: talked about in the Women in Survival Horror episode and

752
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: I've talked about a lot is Yes the last of

753
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: Us two. So briefly, these games are essentially movies that

754
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: you play so you don't have choices and who you

755
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: end up with. In the DLC of the first game,

756
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: which is downloadable content, uh, you play as fourteen year

757
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: old Ellie and you see the budding romance between her

758
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: and her best friend Riley, and also her realizing or

759
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: maybe coming into the fact that she is queer. Of course,

760
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: it ends tragically when Ellie and Riley are bitten by

761
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: zombies and they agree to lose their minds together, but

762
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: as Riley becomes a zombie, Ellie learned she is immune.

763
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: In the second one, Ellie forms a relationship with Dina,

764
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: who is at the very least bisexual, and we see

765
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: the strengths and pitfalls of their relationship. They settle with

766
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: a child, and they have a chance that a happy

767
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: life about as happy as you're gonna get in this world.

768
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: But Ellie chooses a chance at revenge over her new family,

769
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: and it's really painful as a player because you're like, no, Ellie,

770
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: you get be appy. I don't do this, but you

771
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 1: have to play it because it's how video games work.

772
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: When Ellie returns home, Dina and their son are no

773
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: longer there, and this relationship is really new and revolutionary

774
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: in terms of representation in video games. On the other hand,

775
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,479
Speaker 1: you have Abbey and we see their eyes and fall.

776
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: One of our listeners is playing this right now and

777
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: she it's fun. I'm getting her update, so I'm like, ah,

778
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,479
Speaker 1: so much you have to go through. Yeah. We see

779
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: the rise and fall of her relationship with Owen and

780
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: her choosing revenge of her happiness time and time again,

781
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: eventually leading to Owen's death just as Abby has decided

782
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: to go with him and pursue a hopeful future with

783
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 1: the Fireflies. And also there's an anal sex scene between

784
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: them that knows all sucks. I mean, we watched it,

785
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: didn't you pretty We can discuss this later. That is

786
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 1: a real big detail. I didn't realize I was there.

787
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I kind of slipped in and

788
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: out of that one. Another game, fun intended Gone Home

789
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: and this is a game where you return home after

790
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: being deployed for a while and you find the house empty.

791
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: Oh no. Using notes and recordings, you piece together what

792
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: happened and it was really cool. Is At first it

793
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 1: plays like a haunted house game, but as you play,

794
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 1: you'll learn your younger sister has fallen for a young woman,

795
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: and because she felt unaccepted by her religious family, she

796
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 1: ran away with her. And it's a bittersweet coming out

797
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: story of young love love. Yeah, and then some recommendations

798
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: I got when I was researching women romance and video

799
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: games that I have not played, but I thought i'd

800
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: mentioned which or three Yes, Wild Hunts a game that

801
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: I owned but have yet to play. So depending on

802
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: the choices you make, you can end up with tris

803
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: your long time go to or a blast from the

804
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: past sorceress, Unifer or lose both are choose to go

805
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: it alone. I suppose from what I understand there's a

806
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: lot of potential female partners from main character Gerald and I.

807
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: I can't remember if this is the one that has

808
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: like all the weird sex in it if I remember correctly,

809
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: and I don't remember correctly often, UM, just go ahead

810
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: put that caveat out there. When I was watching my

811
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: partner play it, he would pick the sex scenes and

812
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: all of that, and I was like, why, what's happening,

813
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: and there was a lot, Yeah, that's a lot. Well,

814
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: this whole old versus new romance, like the person from

815
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: your past and the new one, plus the lighter versus

816
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: darker dynamics seems pretty common in video games and I'd

817
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: say a lot of romantic entertainment. It also shows up

818
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: in Far Cry three, when the protagonist Jason has torn

819
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: between his old the Liza, who he needs to save,

820
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: and his new love, the darker Citra, who is a

821
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: precess on the island. He gets some roomed on. I

822
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: haven't played this game, so I can't speak to the

823
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: trails of these women. Acording to the summaries I read,

824
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 1: you do have to face Eliza in a dream, maybe

825
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: as a monster. And again there's the sort of threat

826
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: of women holding men back in these romance stories. But

827
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: there may have also been magic going on through Citra,

828
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: who sounds like she plays the role of the seductress.

829
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 1: And it also sounds like case of women being played

830
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: against women in the classic triangle that we're seeing pop

831
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: up again. And again that's the male character. You have

832
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: multiple women to choose from. You gotta make your choice.

833
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: In the game's end, Citra dies for Jason, but if

834
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: you allied with her, the two have ritualistic sex after

835
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: Jason killed Liza, but then Citra kills Jason, telling him

836
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: their child will leave the tribe to glory. Women are

837
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: out to seduce you, take your sperm, and kill you.

838
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: Is that romance? I don't think obviously. What is not

839
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 1: a problem? And then we can talk about the Uncharted series.

840
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: Drake and Elina has been a lot of these games

841
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: saving each other, which is nice, but both are competent

842
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: and capable on their own. Lena becomes an international investigative

843
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: journalists and they have a relatively quote normal relationship for

844
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: a video game. So I'm interested to see what that

845
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 1: would be. Florence a game about the ups and downs

846
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: of a relationship where you piece together dialogue bubbles. Yeah,

847
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: by the way, those confuse me because I'm like, wait,

848
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: you have to choose one or the other. What's happening,

849
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: what's happening? What's happening? And then there's a Star Do Valley,

850
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: which is a game all about romance. You have the

851
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: option to build friendships or relationships get married, but none

852
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: of these is permanent, and you can be rejected and

853
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: marriages can fall apart like real life, talking, running errands,

854
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: asking a character to dance are all ways you can

855
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: build up these relationships that kind of sounds like red

856
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: Dead Redemption that my partner really likes. I've been watching

857
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: him play that too, which always root for the animal

858
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: to eat him. Apparently that's not good. But there's also

859
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: Dragon Age Inquisition, which is kind of a fantasy version

860
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: of mass effect mechanics are sam Are Apparently playing as

861
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: a female elf gives you the most choices of partners

862
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 1: at eleven compared to human females five, although some relationships

863
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 1: in this game have been called out for queer bating

864
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: or racism. Also SIMS for you can control the pace

865
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: of your romance and who you romance, pregnancies, all kinds

866
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: of things. I like the SIMS memes that make no fun.

867
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 1: Then there's Catherine, an adult puzzle game where you play Vincent,

868
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: who has torn between committing to his long time girlfriend

869
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: Katherine and the mysterious woman he had an affair with. Catherine. Yeah,

870
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: okay um, and after his longtime girlfriend leaves him, he realizes,

871
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: see Katherine is a succubus obviously. Um, and the endings

872
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: you can get are sounds like very They're very interesting.

873
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 1: And this kind of reminds me of the new phone

874
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: games that I've been seeing, which are romantic story phone

875
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: games puzzle games that you have to create this romance,

876
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: and that they all seem to be, you know, having

877
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: affairs or be laughed or all these things that I

878
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: find that very interesting. As it's become more and more

879
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: popular or at least advertised a lot. I don't know

880
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: what my phone is trying to tell me because I've

881
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: never played those games, but okay, um, and then there's

882
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: a waylanders a newish RPG way you can explore all

883
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: kinds of relationships and depths of relationships, pan sexual and

884
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: players plays non binary or trans which is pretty freaking cool. Yeah,

885
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: I'm interested to check that one out. So that's been

886
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: kind of rollin through video games. But we didn't want

887
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: to talk about some music. Music. Yeah, but first we

888
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: have one more break for words work sponsor, and we're back,

889
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: Thank you, sponsor. Let's talk about boy bands. Bands. So,

890
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: boy bands make so much money, according to Jason King,

891
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: a music journal US at MPR. A boy band entails

892
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: quote members that are usually in their late teens early twenties.

893
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: Their material appeals to teen and preteen girls. There's usually

894
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: a manager who puts the group together, as opposed to

895
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: it arising organically. I will say there's a lot of

896
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: debate actually about that. The term first appeared in the

897
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties as part of the gendered marketing of that time,

898
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: especially to younger folks, and generally the term comes with

899
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: some stigma and assumption of lesser for all the reasons

900
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: we've been talking about, like with rom coms and chick flicks. Also, BTS,

901
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: for instance, doesn't fit the description we just read, which

902
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: is sparked some debate about how non anglophone boy bands

903
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: are different. Right. Oh, and by the way, BTS had

904
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: such a huge impact in the government of South Korea

905
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: that they changed a law that which actually has a

906
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: young mel Korean citizens to be a part of the army,

907
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: and they pushed the age requirement back specifically for BTS,

908
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: saying that they were doing so well for being an

909
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,919
Speaker 1: ambassadors their country. I found that fascinating because that rule,

910
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: that law has been in place for a long time.

911
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's the power of the boy band indeed,

912
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: And from Heidi Samuelson at Media, she says, quote, what

913
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: about the Temptations the Ramans in Blink one eight two?

914
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: Are they boy bands? No? Probably not, because adults and

915
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: boys listen to them too, so obviously not. Yeah, that's

916
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 1: a great article, by the way, I had to recommend it.

917
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: So we talked about boy bands a bit in our

918
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: Fangirl episode about how women and girls were the first

919
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: to love the Beatles, often considered the first boy band

920
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: and Elvis, but they were dismissed, as were these artists themselves,

921
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: until male critics and male audiences gave credience to their music,

922
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 1: and suddenly the music not only had value, but it's

923
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: like I discovered this and it's so good, and like

924
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: ladies are ruining it for me. The girl and women

925
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: fans were routinely mocked, and that continues to be the case.

926
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: And we used this cote from Harry Styles in our

927
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: fan Girl episode. But I love it so much I

928
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: want to put it in here again. Who's to say

929
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: that young girls who like pop music short per popular

930
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: right have worse musical taste than a thirty year old

931
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: hipster guy. That's not up to you to say. Music

932
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: is something that's always changing. There's no goal post. Young

933
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: girls like the Beatles. You're gonna tell me they're not serious.

934
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: How can you say young girls don't get it? There

935
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: are a future doctor's lawyers, mother's presidents. They kind of

936
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: keep the world going. Teenage girl fans, they don't why

937
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: if they like you, they're there. They don't act too cool.

938
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: They like you and they tell you, which sick as

939
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: well as the fact they will back you andrush you.

940
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: Yes they will. We talked so too. But let's back

941
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: up a bit and ask the question why do girls

942
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,479
Speaker 1: and women love boy bands? Because no matter the era,

943
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: there's a boy band and legions of women and girls

944
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 1: propping them up. The Beatles, Manudo Jackson, five Backstreet Boys,

945
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: and Sink One Direction at BTS, which by the way,

946
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: is the number one boy band in the world in

947
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: twenty In twenty nineteen, they became the first band since

948
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: the Beatles to have a three MS at number one

949
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: on the US pop charts in the same year. And

950
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 1: the abuse that can happen within these boy band worlds

951
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: is a whole separate episode that we should talk about.

952
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: As well as the fact that bands like this, you

953
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: see a lot of court cases coming back to talking

954
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: about how they've been misrepresented or how they've their money's

955
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: gone because the management, Oh, sneaky, that's one way of

956
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: putting it, like underhanded and sneaky and took a lot

957
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: away from them. Yes. Yes, One reason that these boy

958
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: bands have such popularity is something that we've been talking about.

959
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: It's a safe way for young girls and women to

960
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: explore their sexuality and build identity. And yeah, listen to

961
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: the lyrics. You're telling you you're perfect, you're amazing, you're beautiful,

962
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: all these lovely things. Yes, very heteronormative lyrics generally, but

963
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: it's nice to imagine that a the lyrics are about you,

964
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: and be that some sort of romanticized man who would

965
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: be so open with his emotions with you exist and

966
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: that you could be with them. According to Maria Sherman,

967
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: author of Larger Than Life, a History of boy bands

968
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: from in k O t B two BTS, the history

969
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: shows that young women have been interested in the sensitive

970
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: sweetie a very long time. Boy Bands can pump out

971
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: signals almost unparalleled, and the members are usually not bad

972
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: to look at and synchronized dancing. It's almost an extension

973
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: of the escapist fantasy that we talked about in part

974
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: one of these episodes, but also on this one. For

975
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: a minute, you can believe the song is about you

976
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: and that you could end up with the band member

977
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 1: or find someone like him. And I know I've said

978
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,720
Speaker 1: this before, but what pad which is a fan fiction

979
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: like really popular mobile fan fiction app. I think of

980
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: the fan fiction on there's about one direction. I think

981
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: it's at Yeah, that's a lot. By the way, I

982
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: love a man who can move. Hey sexy. But Nick Carter,

983
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: a member of back Street Boys, said quote, people love

984
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: boy bands because you can relate to at least one member.

985
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,479
Speaker 1: Boy Bands give people the right to be to choose

986
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: her their favorites are and who they can relate to.

987
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,760
Speaker 1: Everyone can find someone that they can call their own. Uh.

988
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: And you've got the types, the bad boy, the show one, etcetera.

989
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: There's also competitive aspects to that between bands, with the

990
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 1: members of the bands standing if you will so much

991
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: standing Yeah and yes. And Samantha was an instinct girl

992
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: and I was a Backstreet Boys girl, and I just

993
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: had to put in here. Backstreet Boys is the most

994
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: successful boy band of all time with over one million

995
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: records worldwide, as I think, but you know that because

996
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: they produced a lot more records because justin Timberlake never

997
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: came back. That's right, Backstreet Boys. I think they did

998
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: a cruise ship so they needed money. They kept coming

999
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: back and I'm sure the rest of in Sync would

1000
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: have loved that, but Timberlake did not need them apparently,

1001
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: So that be part of the argument is actually boys

1002
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,959
Speaker 1: was still producing music up until old not too long ago.

1003
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: Of course, maybe not so much now that we found

1004
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: out one of them may be a Q and On supporter,

1005
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: but hey, that's your being in the world of boy bands,

1006
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: and nostalgia is a big part of this too, Like

1007
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: you know, when whatever in the same factory Bley song

1008
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: comes on and car you're into it. And I did

1009
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: have a lot of fun looking at old pictures from

1010
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: fans at different time periods, and I love asking my

1011
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: mom about the Beatles and Elvis that she was such

1012
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 1: a huge fan. Oh my mom was a huge fan

1013
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: of the Monkeys. Oh yeah, yeah, comes up on the

1014
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: list as well. But we had to come back and

1015
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: talk about the appeal of love songs and ballads for women.

1016
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,720
Speaker 1: What is it about love songs that appeal to women

1017
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: and why do we connect with them? So? According to

1018
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: one study done by professor in France, it says that

1019
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: it may have improved one's mood and made them more

1020
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 1: receptive to a possible romance, and two it may make

1021
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: them more likely to be agreeable and feeling more generous

1022
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: and likelier to say yes. For his study, he had

1023
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: a group of women listening to music and having positive

1024
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: interactions with each other, then being approached by an average

1025
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,720
Speaker 1: looking man who asked for their number and at least

1026
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: gave them their number, And then had a group that

1027
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: didn't listen to the music and only twenty seven point

1028
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 1: nine percent gave them the number. Right, So I thought

1029
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: it was interesting because he decided, hey, maybe this can

1030
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: affect whether or not they'll say yes to a date.

1031
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: And it did. It kind of did affect it. But

1032
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,919
Speaker 1: of course nothing has truly been verified and we would

1033
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: need to have further research into it. It's hard to

1034
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: deny that music makes you feel things. I mean, even

1035
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: when you think about like the romantic mixtape or mood

1036
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: music for dates or having sex, like it's just sort

1037
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: of a thing. It does. Mixtape, the infamous mixtape I

1038
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,439
Speaker 1: Made You a mixtape, I made you a mix CD.

1039
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 1: How romantic? You know me? How romantic? So it's estimated

1040
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: that over one million love songs have been recorded in

1041
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: very different variations, everything from new love to break up

1042
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: songs to songs of devotion. But that what makes them special.

1043
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 1: You have a singer songwriters like Taylor Swift who has

1044
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: made a career in her storytelling. In songwriting, teens and

1045
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: adults feel a connection. She speaks their feelings and as

1046
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 1: she stays in her own songs, these are confessionals, which

1047
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: allows for connection with the fan. And that's what it's about,

1048
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: having a song that makes the listener feel heard or

1049
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: understood because that's how they felt, or that's how they

1050
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: want to feel, or that's what they see. And whether

1051
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: it's the honesty of heartbreak and and this dude being

1052
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: a jerk, or the honesty of finding someone you're like,

1053
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: why can't it be me? Which I still have a

1054
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: hard time believing that Taylor Swift isn't the number one

1055
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: girl and plays herself as the number two girl in

1056
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: her songs. Whatever we can all relern and music is therapeutic,

1057
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 1: whether it's upbeat, songs to get you motivated, or sad

1058
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: songs that allow you to mourn or at least tears,

1059
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: and in fact, researchers said sad songs quote induce the

1060
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: biochemical response and empathetic listeners triggering at beneficial hormones. And yes,

1061
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: actually my fan fiction, my very tragic, absolutely devastating fan fiction.

1062
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Speaker 1: I made a playlist for it, and it is so sad.

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Speaker 1: It is so sad, but I love it. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think definitely when I was dabbling in writing, a song

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Speaker 1: might inspire me to get into that mode. Specific emo

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Speaker 1: bands like Death Camp for Cutie makes you have the

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Speaker 1: storytelling things things a decembrists. They do this where they

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Speaker 1: tell a story within their songs and you feel this,

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Speaker 1: you feel this emotion and you start connecting with yes,

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Speaker 1: I have a story for that. So I definitely think

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Speaker 1: we see that and we know that there's a connection

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Speaker 1: in movies and soundtracks and what that brings out, what

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Speaker 1: the emotions bring out. I mean, I've discovered a many

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Speaker 1: artists through soundtracks, and I bought soundtracks like Nobody's Business

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Speaker 1: because I expressed so much more so what I could

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Speaker 1: have said out loud. And I think for women is

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Speaker 1: a drive because you get it. It is that open

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Speaker 1: vulnerability that oftentimes we don't see in reality. So therefore

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Speaker 1: maybe these men who are crooning towards to us, it

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Speaker 1: shows their vulnerability and you just feel so spatial. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like you're really seeing their sensitive side. It can only

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Speaker 1: open up to you. Even though everyone's listening to this

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Speaker 1: so clearly, there's so many different and I want to

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Speaker 1: come back and explore, like so many of the things

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Speaker 1: we've talked about in this very broad Hard to Wrestle episode,

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Speaker 1: it was a massive topic. We saw a lot of

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Speaker 1: common threads and tropes, and we can see women aren't

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Speaker 1: a monolith when it comes to romance and what people

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Speaker 1: like and what they want to see and hear and

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Speaker 1: play whatever. It is a me to write very briefly,

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Speaker 1: we did have like our quiz results because you sent

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Speaker 1: me to quizs what britin family? Would you know? What

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Speaker 1: family would you be in Bridgtain? Who would you end

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Speaker 1: up within Bridgtain? And who would you be in Twilight? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So I got the Brigtain family is the want of family.

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Speaker 1: I'd end up in Benedict Britain is going to ask

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Speaker 1: for my hand in marriage. And I got Bella Swan,

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Speaker 1: which I want to read. The description is from The Guardian.

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Speaker 1: When you're not getting yourself in dangerous situations, you often

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Speaker 1: find your up in the middle of fights between the

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Speaker 1: various people who love you. Make sure your dad approves

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Speaker 1: though you're still his baby. Which you've ever seen this, right,

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Speaker 1: I've never seen Britain Our Twilight. I've never read in Twilight.

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Speaker 1: I think I know generally well it goes down, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: the father character is very protective of Bella in this

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Speaker 1: as well. But yeah, I actually got the same results

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Speaker 1: all of them, so I find that funny. Mainstream and

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Speaker 1: we are very mainstream, apparently because I also got bit

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Speaker 1: of Dick and I love it. To explain to me

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Speaker 1: why it's like, here you got I don't know who

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Speaker 1: that is. So I was like middle son, who is

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Speaker 1: an artist, Okay, sure, he's kind of a part of

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Speaker 1: the plot that has a little bit of queer baiting,

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Speaker 1: which has been a kind of conversation within it. So

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Speaker 1: it's interesting. But yeah, there you go, quizzes. You gotta

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Speaker 1: love it. I was like, I'm gonna send you ten

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Speaker 1: thousand quizzes and then I stopped at three. So you're well,

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Speaker 1: it's really funny because I'm always like I don't just like,

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Speaker 1: what character would you be in Britain? And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I like the name of this one.

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Speaker 1: Oh there's so many Twilight, Like how much do you know?

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Speaker 1: And I was like, there's no way absending this to her,

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Speaker 1: she would lose her mind. Yes, it's so competitive. Well,

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Speaker 1: there you go. That's wraps up our two parter look

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Speaker 1: at Women in Romance. Oh no, perhaps we'll come back

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Speaker 1: and revisit some of these things, but in the meantime,

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Speaker 1: send all of your romantic recommendations entertainment our way. You

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