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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Chase Utley and this is the Phillies Show.

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Speaker 2: Hi, everybody, Welcome to The Phillies Show with Ruby Tomorrow

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Speaker 2: Junior Jim Salisbury. I'm todd z Lucky. We have a

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Speaker 2: special guest today. Cole HAMMILS two thousand and eight World

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Speaker 2: Series MVP, World Series Champion two thousand and eight NLCS

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Speaker 2: MVP joined us. He is in town on Friday night

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Speaker 2: for his retirement ceremony with the Philadelphia Phillies. Cole was

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Speaker 2: the final member of the two thousand and eight Phillies

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Speaker 2: to retire from Major League Baseball. We had a lot

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Speaker 2: of fun catching up with him, telling and reliving some

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Speaker 2: Philly Show Conversation with Cole Hamil's Cole, thanks for joining us, man.

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Speaker 2: We really appreciate the time you are having your retirement

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Speaker 2: ceremony Friday night at Citizens Bank Park. How meaningful is

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Speaker 2: that to you are excited to come back and you know,

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Speaker 2: be feted with by the fans and see your career

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Speaker 2: highlights on the on fanavision.

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Speaker 1: I know, yeah that you know, video boards a lot

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Speaker 1: larger than when I was playing there. So no, it

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Speaker 1: is it's been It's been great. I know, you know

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Speaker 1: the last couple of years I've just been kind of

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Speaker 1: interesting for you know, to conclude my career. But you know,

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Speaker 1: there's there's nothing better than to see the reception, you know,

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Speaker 1: being able to come back to Philly the past couple

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Speaker 1: of years in the playoffs and really see just the excitement,

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Speaker 1: uh surrounding that team and just standing in a different

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Speaker 1: it's just you start to really appreciate, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: just the support of what Philly fans really are. And

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited just to kind of get back there

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Speaker 1: just you know, see what what they have in store.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you just got back from you were in London

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Speaker 2: as well. You got to see all your buddies. You

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Speaker 2: must be awesome just to fly to London and you

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Speaker 2: see Chooch. I don't know how often you see Chooge.

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Speaker 2: When's the last time you saw Chooche? Ryan Matt's and

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Speaker 2: Matt stares all those guys. You guys are like permanently bonded.

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Speaker 2: It must be so cool just run into these guys

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Speaker 2: and see these guys and hang out, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: It really is? I think as athletes, you when you

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Speaker 1: build on it. And when you're with these groups of guys,

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Speaker 1: But the Phillies do a really good job with keeping

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Speaker 3: Hey, I just want to stay on this London theme.

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Speaker 3: Tell me about the fan support out there, because it

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Speaker 1: It was absolutely nuts. You know, that's my first time

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Speaker 4: The whole retirement ceremony coming up on Friday night, it

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Speaker 1: You know it is. I know we're gonna have you know,

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Speaker 4: And with you retiring, it makes me feel so old

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Speaker 4: because I remember the day at a place called Veterans

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Speaker 2: What do you remember about your debut. I was just

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Speaker 2: so what when you think back to your debut, what

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Speaker 1: You know what led up to that was? You know,

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Speaker 1: And that day is the day that Aaron Rome ran

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Speaker 1: Like this is what This is the effort that you

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Speaker 1: That's the worst. I'm like, hey, you know what, I

431
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Speaker 1: guess I put the pressure on those guys, but it

432
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Speaker 1: is it's still a process. Yeah.

433
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Speaker 4: I remember speaking with your high school pitching coach. I

434
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Speaker 4: believe his name is Mark Firtak, Yes, and he took

435
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Speaker 4: me through the story about how he taught you to

436
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Speaker 4: change up and he said, I'm gonna you know, he's

437
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Speaker 4: I think you were maybe a sophomore and you're gonna

438
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Speaker 4: pitch for City and didn't have a big fastball yet,

439
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Speaker 4: but he loved everything else about you, and he said,

440
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Speaker 4: I want teach him a change up and teach him

441
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Speaker 4: to pitch backwards.

442
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Speaker 1: You remember that, No, I did, and it's something that

443
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Speaker 1: you know, he continued to try to do later on

444
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Speaker 1: with with a lot of different players. But you know,

445
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 1: at the time when I when I was a freshman sophomore,

446
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Speaker 1: I mean, the team was the number one team in

447
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Speaker 1: the nation, you know, and that's you know, when you

448
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 1: have Baseball America and USA today. So they were a

449
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,199
Speaker 1: number one team and there's thirty to forty scouts at

450
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 1: these at their practices and let alone their games. I mean,

451
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 1: that puts a lot of pressure on you. So they

452
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 1: had a big pitcher at the time. Matt Wheeland pitched

453
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Speaker 1: for Team USA. You know in Taiwan when they won,

454
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Speaker 1: and so he was the big guy, and he ended

455
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Speaker 1: up being a first rounder to Detroit and unfortunately suffered

456
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Speaker 1: a couple of injuries and wasn't being able to make it.

457
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Speaker 1: But you just learned from watching those guys, and I was,

458
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Speaker 1: you know, he goes if you want to be like

459
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Speaker 1: this guy, watch what he does. And you know I

460
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Speaker 1: didn't have a ninety five mile an hour fastball yet

461
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 1: I was barely touching eighty. Uh so you know my

462
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Speaker 1: curve ball is very inconsistent. So it's hey, this is

463
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Speaker 1: this change up. Matt has it. You're going to learn

464
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Speaker 1: it and watch what he does, but you're probably gonna

465
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Speaker 1: to use yours a little bit more until you can

466
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Speaker 1: throw ninety five. And I did. I used to. They

467
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Speaker 1: would bring me in late in the game, and you know,

468
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Speaker 1: I would again throw, try to establish a fastball down

469
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Speaker 1: in a way. If I could get a quick, easy out,

470
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Speaker 1: that was great. Most of the time, they were just

471
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Speaker 1: guys were just trying to watch to see what I

472
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Speaker 1: had while I'd steal a strike and then I would

473
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Speaker 1: just change up, change up, change up, and these guys

474
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Speaker 1: would be swinging fallon And then also I was I

475
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Speaker 1: was able to throw a fastball and it looked ninety five.

476
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Speaker 1: And that's kind of the report that I was ended

477
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Speaker 1: up getting. And I worked my way into, you know,

478
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Speaker 1: the starting being the number two guy behind him. But yes,

479
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Speaker 1: I mean that was the lingo. As you're left handed,

480
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,959
Speaker 1: you got to be crafty, you got to go backwards.

481
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Speaker 1: And I think you know at that time too, being

482
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Speaker 1: in San Diego, you know Sterling Hitchcock was pitching there,

483
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Speaker 1: you have Tom Glavin, that is that. Those were the

484
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Speaker 1: guys that I would look at and watch and they

485
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Speaker 1: were very similar style because they didn't have the big fastball,

486
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Speaker 1: so they had to learn how to pitch. And that's

487
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Speaker 1: what I was trying to emulate. Hey, when you were

488
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Speaker 1: a young player, you.

489
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Speaker 3: Talk about studying and emulating certain players, anybody on the

490
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Speaker 3: Phillies organization. As you were getting closer to the big leagues,

491
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Speaker 3: you're getting opportunities to be in big league camp. Anybody

492
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Speaker 3: that you sort of picked their brain, anybody special that

493
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Speaker 3: helped you move the process forward for you.

494
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I played catch a lot with Randy

495
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Speaker 1: Wolf and Real Cormier, so you know left handers. I

496
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Speaker 1: think that was helpful. I lasted one day with Billy Wagner,

497
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Speaker 1: and I was out. I mean, if you ever played

498
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Speaker 1: catch with Billy Wagner, I mean he would go back

499
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Speaker 1: about fifty feet, not even sixty, and throw it one

500
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Speaker 1: hundred miles an hour at you first. That's just right there.

501
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Speaker 1: I nope, I'm out out all right, Randy. You know

502
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 1: they were they were they kind of stretched out slower

503
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Speaker 1: and were more methodical about it. And I'm like, uh,

504
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: those are my guys I need to play catch with

505
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 1: and and Billy made fun of me, I think for weeks,

506
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Speaker 1: you know, because I started to avoid him and he's like,

507
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 1: where are you going cale where are you running away?

508
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: You don't want to play catch anymore? You know, he

509
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: would just give me crap, and I'm like, no, I

510
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: don't want to play catch with you. I'm sorry, I'm

511
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: gonna and I'm like, Randy, please save me, real save me. So,

512
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, just being able to watch them how they

513
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: played catch, you know, it makes a difference. That's you

514
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 1: spend so much time on the baseball field. You know,

515
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot of busy time, and there's a lot

516
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: of waiting and hanging out, you know, dead time. But

517
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Speaker 1: playing catch, I mean this is what we do. So

518
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 1: you don't take it serious. You have to do it

519
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: every day. If there's a way that you can learn

520
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 1: how to do it right, uh, it's going to translate

521
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Speaker 1: into your bullpens, and then your bullpens are gonna translate

522
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Speaker 1: to the game. And so, you know, I just watched

523
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Speaker 1: Randy and how he really started. He'd work one side

524
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Speaker 1: of the body when we play catch, and then he'd

525
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Speaker 1: move over to the other and it was just one

526
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Speaker 1: after another, one after another. It wasn't chaotic, it wasn't sporadic.

527
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Speaker 1: There was a rhythm to it. And then when he

528
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Speaker 1: would get to us off speed stuff, and that was

529
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Speaker 1: something because I struggled with my curveball. Randy had a

530
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Speaker 1: really good curveball and he knew how to work it

531
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Speaker 1: from the outside of the plate to the inside of

532
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Speaker 1: the plate. So you know, I just kind of watched

533
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Speaker 1: how he did that and then I tried to apply

534
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Speaker 1: that with other pitches. But yeah, it was good to

535
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Speaker 1: watch them. And you know, at the time, those were

536
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: you know, those you know, were the big guys. I mean,

537
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: real was there forever and in the bullpen, and Randy was,

538
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Speaker 1: you know, a big time pitcher for the team at

539
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Speaker 1: the time, So it was nice to be around those

540
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Speaker 1: guys and have that opportunity in spring training to be

541
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Speaker 1: able to play catch with that and then translate that

542
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Speaker 1: into the minor leagues. When I was playing catch with

543
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Speaker 1: other guys.

544
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Speaker 4: Cool when I was twenty four years old, I was

545
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 4: eating cheerios in my mother's kitchen. When you were twenty

546
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Speaker 4: four years old, you put a team and a city

547
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Speaker 4: on your back and pitched them to the World Series

548
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 4: Title League Championship MVP, World Series MVP. I mean, I

549
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 4: still see those Knights in Dodger Stadium and Citizens Bank

550
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 4: Park like there yesterday. It just blows my mind. The

551
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 4: talent you showed, the toughness you showed, the poise you showed,

552
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 4: and the way you picked up this team and this

553
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 4: city and delivered it where it wanted to go, where

554
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 4: it hadn't been in a long time at age twenty four.

555
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Speaker 4: I'm wondering if if it maybe were you kind of

556
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Speaker 4: because you were so young, were you oblivious to all

557
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 4: the pressure and what it meant and the stakes, and

558
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 4: maybe that kind of help you did you kind of

559
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 4: amaze yourself at doing what you did at that young age.

560
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Speaker 1: It's a little bit kind of similar to what you said.

561
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Speaker 1: But I think at twenty three, when I lost that

562
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Speaker 1: first playoff game to Colorado, I think I put a

563
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: little bit pressure myself. Wanted to deliver. It's game one.

564
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: You want to always start off hot, you want to

565
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: get that first win. And I think, you know, I

566
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: had bases loaded, I start giving up some runs on

567
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: the second ending or something, and there was a potential

568
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: almost grand slam from that holiday that I think just

569
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 1: went foul. I mean, he hit it so far it

570
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: was over the foul pole, and it was weird. It

571
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: was like this release of pressure. And you know, we

572
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: did lose that game, and I know we got knocked out,

573
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: but I think going into the postseason against Milwaukee that

574
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: next year, I I just told myself, I'm like, what

575
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: do I have to lose. I already lost one playoff game.

576
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I already lost a game one. What's the

577
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: worst that can happen? I lose again? It sucks. I

578
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: didn't want to. I don't want that to happen, but

579
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: it completely released all of the anxiety and stress that

580
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: I supposedly carried in that first opportunity in the postseason

581
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: to then just bearing down in folks is seeing it

582
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: what my task was, which was to get each individual

583
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: hitter out. Let's work through, let's get through the first inning,

584
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: where you get through the second inning. It kind of

585
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: simplified it for me, and it made me just kind

586
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: of hone in and getting through that first game boom.

587
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: I mean, we did a great job, the team scores,

588
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: and you know, we end up winning that series and

589
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: then going to the Dodgers. That's when I started to

590
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: develop the confidence. I always loved pitching its to the Dodgers,

591
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: always wanted to beat the Dodgers, and it just built

592
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: and it built, and I think going into Dodgers Stadium,

593
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: I knew I'm very successful on the West Coast. You know,

594
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: that's California. That's where I'm from. I'm not going to

595
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: lose games in California. And I just kind of kept

596
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: that and I built that confidence that I was like,

597
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,239
Speaker 1: I'm not losing. I'm winning. I'm not losing. And when

598
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: you have players like Jimmy hitting home runs in the

599
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: first inning, I mean, are you kidding me that? That

600
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: just makes it a little bit easier for me. I'm like,

601
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: I just needed one or two runs. Thanks Jimmy. Thanks

602
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: for getting it out the way early. And it is

603
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: it just it's snowballs and everything, you know, just knowing

604
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: what you have to do, knowing your teammates have your back,

605
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: and they did. I mean, when you have one of

606
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: the best defenses, that is the best feeling when you're playing,

607
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: when you're struggling or you're behind in the account, you're like,

608
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: all right, I'll just get a ground ball. I don't

609
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: have to strike everybody out. Uh So, it just it's

610
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: a team. And I understand, you know, I started playing

611
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: better and I was on a roll, and you get

612
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: these you know, these these sort of trophies and the MVPs.

613
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: But it's it's not because of me individually. That my

614
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: teammates did everything possible to make my job easier and

615
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: for me to build on my strengths and to attack

616
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,479
Speaker 1: and not fear attacking and doing what I need to do,

617
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: risk taking because I knew I had them behind me,

618
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: and I knew they were going to score runs, and

619
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: I knew they were not going to make airs. They

620
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: were going to get the place done. And that right

621
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: there is that's the recipe for success. There.

622
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: When you think back to that two thousand and eight postseason.

623
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Speaker 2: Is there something that I always comes back to mind,

624
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: a moment that gives you chills, or a moment like Wow,

625
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: that was freaking awesome and you can just replay it

626
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: in your mind over and over and over again. Doesn't

627
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: have to be pitching necessarily.

628
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, no, I mean I think there's a lot

629
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Speaker 1: of moments. But when you know Papparol got up in

630
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: that second game and hits up ball off the wall,

631
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: I mean it was so close from Homer. I mean

632
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: it's so close. But the stadium was so electric in

633
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: you know, batting practice, because I mean when everybody's got

634
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: two innings, they're like two innings, let's I mean, they're

635
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: losing it up. I mean they are like, we're winning this.

636
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: We're not going back to Tampa. I mean the fans

637
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: were awesome. Uh and you I mean they're on their feet,

638
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: and you know from that very first at that and

639
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: Berl hits that one off the wall, You're like, oh,

640
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: we've got this, We've got this, this is ours and

641
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: you know that right there, that's the energy. That's the moment.

642
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it gives me chills. We got the on

643
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: the goosebumps thinking about it. And especially for Pat because

644
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: he was so Pat was the first person I met

645
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: in that clubhouse when I was going to sign. So

646
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: I hadn't signed yet, and I go to the game

647
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: in San Diego and the you know, the Phillies are

648
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: the Padres, and you know, eighteen year old kid, I

649
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: walk into the clubhouse and Pat Burrell grabs me right,

650
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: It pulls me aside, just you know, it just starts

651
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: to kind of grill me a little bit. And I

652
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: knew who he was because anybody has Fantasy Baseball or

653
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: obviously watching his Pat the bat, so you kind of

654
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: recognize he's on you know, he's on sports in our

655
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: all time head homers against the Mets. That was a

656
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: big moment. I was like, oh my gosh, you know

657
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: Pat Burle okay. Uh, and so he does that and

658
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: it was just really kind of great to see. Uh.

659
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: And then it is us taking it and uh, you know,

660
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: winning winning in Philia that there's no substitution for how

661
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: amazing that really is, man, the importance and how special.

662
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 6: Hey, So, what's so I'm kind of wondering what what

663
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 6: you'd like to do in the future, and and I

664
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 6: know you got I know, you have a lot of

665
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 6: different interests.

666
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: But what's the plan for Cole Hamil's now.

667
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: Uh you know, I think, you know, slowly just kind of,

668
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: you know, getting back into the game of baseball. Obviously,

669
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good at, you know, pitching, so I I

670
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: know that's kind of the side that that I would

671
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: probably have to look into. You know, it's it's just

672
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: how how to develop you know, great pictures. I was very,

673
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: very fortunate to have incredible mentors. And you know, when

674
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: you have guys like Jamie Moyer and Roy Holliday, Roy Oswald, uh,

675
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: you know, Cliff Lee, Uh you know, then you then

676
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: you kind of you know, I got to pitch with

677
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: John Lester. You just have these really really good pitchers

678
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: and they help you along the way.

679
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: Uh A.

680
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: J Burnett. You know, he helped me with my my

681
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: spike curve. I mean I completely changed my curveball grip

682
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: because and when he came over and then all of

683
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: a sudden, it just start working. So you just you

684
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: understand the importance of what a mentor, and especially a

685
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: player that has a certain caliber or has accomplished certain things,

686
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: you want to listen. So I feel like I can

687
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: pass down a lot of the information that I was

688
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: given and sort of the stories and the failures and

689
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: successes and how to build build the future generation of

690
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: starting pictures. So you know how I can do that,

691
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: and you know how it works. Like anything, I want

692
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: to be good at what I do. I don't want

693
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: to just come in with all the answers because I

694
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: don't have them. You know, you have to go through

695
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: a process of sitting back and watching and slowly then

696
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: integrating what you can in your knowledge without stepping on

697
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: any toes. So I think that's what this year and

698
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: possibly next year really, I'm just going to slowly try

699
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: to see where I can fit in, observe and then

700
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: just kind of you know, ros and tidbits before it

701
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: gets a little bit more involved. Very cool.

702
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 4: Well, I mentioned eight postseason and how it kind of

703
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 4: still blows my mind. There's another moment in your career

704
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 4: that still blows my mind, and that was your last

705
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 4: Philly start. There was so much to that build up.

706
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 4: So it was at the trade deadline. I think Ruben

707
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 4: had a deal done the day you went to the

708
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 4: Mound and Wrigley feel that day pretty close, pretty close. Well,

709
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 4: basically he just had to do the I's and the

710
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 4: t's you weren't. You struggled in your previous two outings,

711
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 4: and but we all kind of knew you were getting traded.

712
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 4: You go to the mound that day and your fastball

713
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 4: is just popping. It is electric. And I'm up there

714
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 4: charting and I'm like, oh my god, he is firing.

715
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden, it's the fifth inning.

716
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 4: You're cruise into a no hitter. You pitch a no

717
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 4: hitter on your way out the door. They didn't nickname

718
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 4: you Hollywood for nothing. I mean, that's still like this

719
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 4: does it kind of that day that exit, that story

720
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 4: book ending kind of blow your mind a wee bit.

721
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: It really does, you know it Like you just said

722
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: the two starts before, I mean, I got boot off

723
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 1: the field in Philly. I think it was my point

724
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: of my last started in Philly. It's like I got

725
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: boot off the field because I gave a five run lead,

726
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: and you know, so I just went into it and

727
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, I love Wrigley Field. I do

728
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: very well here. I love the backdrop. It was a

729
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: great day, you know. Chooch and I we we just

730
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: kind of sat out there and as we were playing catch,

731
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: getting ready. It's like, all right, this is go time.

732
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: Let's let's see what happens today. Because he knew too,

733
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, it's your last start next week. You

734
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: know started We just we knew I was going to

735
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: be gone. It was, you know, just the understanding. So

736
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: we just let it happen. We wanted to enjoy the

737
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: moment together. And from that first pitch I threw, uh,

738
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: you know, very first pitch. I mean it came out

739
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: of my hand and it split the corner of the

740
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: plate and when it hit chuochslop. I mean, when he

741
00:35:53,880 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: received it, you could tell he's like, whoa that Uh,

742
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: what's happening. And then we went to the next pitches

743
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: and everything was working. You know, my cutter was tight.

744
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: The curveball is probably the best I've had. My change

745
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: up was was my change up. So you get into there,

746
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: the first guy steps up and I let it fly,

747
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: and it is I was just hitting every little corner

748
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: up day. Uh out, just tell me there aren't uh

749
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: now it's one. I was thinking, we get a couple

750
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 1: of one here, but chance and it's the game builds

751
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: and builds and builds. There were parts in that game

752
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: where choose he would, he'd throw the ball back at

753
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: the pitch he wanted, and I'd kind of laugh, going, yep,

754
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: we already had. It's like the game plan was already

755
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: laid out and we were just following along. And you know,

756
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: there were times where I mean he probably could close

757
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: his eyes on a few pitches because I was hitting

758
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: his glove. He didn't have to move it. Uh. And

759
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: and then you know, there have Wrigley Field. I mean,

760
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: Wrigleyfield's a very special uh, you know, baseball town. That

761
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: field is amazing as the innings and and the outs

762
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: kind of you know, accumulate, Uh, the fans are on

763
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: their stands, the energy, and so I'm kind of soaking

764
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: in that energy too. I mean the extra adrenaline uh

765
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: is pumping. And yeah, it just it finishes the way

766
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: that it finishes, which I think, right there is a

767
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: heart attack in itself. But I think it's probably one

768
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: of the few times in my career I've ever thrown

769
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: a three two curveball. Uh, you know, the three two

770
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: three two curveballs, Like, no, we're even gonna go cutter,

771
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: We're gonna go fastball. Change up. You know, change up

772
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: was obviously a big, a big one. I do. But

773
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: She's just like, no, your curveball has been working today.

774
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: Why change it? Why over complicate this, This is already working.

775
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: Let's do it. And I go, you know what, Hell yeah,

776
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: let's do this. Wow. And I saw I do. I

777
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: throw a three two curveball and he hit it. I'm like,

778
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: oh my god, I just gave up a homer. I've

779
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: never doing this again. Uh uh And then uh, I've

780
00:37:54,920 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: got uh double circus circles. Yeah, running run the circles. Uh,

781
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: you know, going around and making interesting for everybody.

782
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 4: I could I could still see I could still see

783
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 4: that ball. It was Chris Bryant, right, yeah, yes, I

784
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 4: could still see that ball coming off his bat. And

785
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, here's a University of San Diego kid, you

786
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 4: were committed to the University of San Diego. He's not

787
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 4: going to do this to you, right. Would you have

788
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 4: killed o'duble if you dropped that ball?

789
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: No, you know I would have killed I would have

790
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: let everybody else. But I think at that time, I'm

791
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: my outfield and I don't mean this in a in

792
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: a in a bad way, but you know, they always

793
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: do the stats for you know what your outfield ranks,

794
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: and I had an outfield that was not you know,

795
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: the highest uh of success rate. You've got Oduble second baseman. Uh.

796
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: You know you got Ashy out there. Who's a third baseman,

797
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 1: Dominic Brown. At least I had out uh in right field.

798
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: But it wasn't a very you know, electric in a

799
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: way of they're used to playing the outfield that you know,

800
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: at a time uh, I think earlier in my career

801
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: when you have a victory, now a Michael Bourne and

802
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 1: a Chris Uh, you know, Robson out in the outfield.

803
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: Some of the best outfielders are fastest outfielders to play play.

804
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I can let the ball go anywhere

805
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: they're going to catch it. So it's a little different.

806
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: So but you just make it. You just do what

807
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: you gotta do.

808
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: I remember Jeff Frankcour after the game in that clubhouse

809
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 2: yelling out as you guys are celebrating. Nice catch, o dubal.

810
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 4: That was hilarious.

811
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 1: Just one of the funniest.

812
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 4: That day was the trade done well.

813
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: I think we were pretty close. I mean it was

814
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 3: gotten to the point with John Daniels at that point

815
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 3: that you know, we were sort of uh starting the

816
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 3: whole process of checking medicals and that kind of stuff.

817
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: But you know, again, that was one of those situations

818
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 3: where you know, you didn't want to trade one of

819
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: the iconic, you know, starting pitchers in your franchise, but

820
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 3: it was sort of the right thing.

821
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: To do for our you know, for our organization at

822
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: the time.

823
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 5: And and you know, he had a kind of kind

824
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 5: of a a limited note trade clause, so it was

825
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 5: there was a lot of complications. We were talking with

826
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 5: the agent a lot, and uh, you know, we finally

827
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 5: got something done that I think served both both the

828
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 5: Phillies and and Cole as well.

829
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 4: And it went down. We were in Toronto when it

830
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 4: went down, and from Chicago to Toronto, and I still

831
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 4: Cole remember you coming out of the back of that

832
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 4: clubhouse and walking across the tunnel they pulled the buses inside,

833
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 4: and I remember kind of getting a lump in my throats,

834
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 4: you know, thinking, wow, it's over us, seeing you walk

835
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 4: to the bus, knowing that this trade was done. Basically,

836
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 4: do you remember that night Toronto when it was consummated.

837
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: I do, you know, because it is you're on the phone,

838
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: you know, you're kind of working through it, and it

839
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: is you're just kind of like, wow, Okay, I've got

840
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: to move forward. I mean, this this happens to athletes. Uh,

841
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: it's just the nature of the business and the situation,

842
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 1: and you know, you've got to move forward. And I think,

843
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: really what I take from it is it's a new

844
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: chapter in my career. But I really do appreciate, you know,

845
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: the Rouven for the opportunity of trading me to a

846
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: team that wanted to win now and to have some

847
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 1: more opportunities to try to win. I mean, I got

848
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: to go and chase down a postseason again with Texas

849
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: and you know, I know we lost in that weird epic,

850
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: that flip Game five in Toronto that I was pitching.

851
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: So but then the next next year, I got another

852
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: opportunity to pitch in the in the postseason. So and

853
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: that I think, as all of us in our careers,

854
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: we just want opportunities to win. And I understood where

855
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: the Phillies were going. They need to rebuild, uh to

856
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: where they are today, and you know, they've done a

857
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: great job. But that's what happens, I think enfranchises it's

858
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: the ups downs. You don't always get to stay great

859
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: and and I think that's you know, the hardest part.

860
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: And I don't run it, so uh, I don't ununderstand

861
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: the ins and outs. But it's a very difficult thing

862
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: to keep the team at the top level all the

863
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: time forever. It's just I don't think it's possible. So

864
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: your career is very short and you just have to

865
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: make the best of it. And for all of us,

866
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: we're just trying to win.

867
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: And then Cole, I remember the year that you signed

868
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: that one year deal with the Dodgers. The Phillies were

869
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 2: coming after you, and there's some talk maybe of the

870
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: Phillies signing. I remember asking Bryce Harper, I said, you know,

871
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 2: what do you think about Cole coming back? Because you

872
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: guys had that thing back in the day. And he

873
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: goes and he's like, no, I don't care if Cole

874
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:33,959
Speaker 2: can pitch and he can help us when I would

875
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: love to have Cole Hammil's on the team. Have you

876
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 2: have you talked to him, you know, over the years,

877
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: And I mean that was such a you know, you're

878
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: drilling me, steals home on you. It becaus this big

879
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: kerfuffle with Mike Rizzo, and but it was cool, Like Bryce.

880
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: Is like, I don't care. That was a long time ago.

881
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: I want to win. So have you ever talked to you?

882
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 2: Do you know Bryce? Have you talked to Bryce and

883
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 2: you know, hey, maybe you could throw out the first

884
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: pitch to him on Friday night.

885
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 1: No, it's no. I have the utmost respect for him,

886
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: I think, you know, and even at the time, we're

887
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: such competitors, we're such athletes, and he's he We knew

888
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 1: he was going to be the face of baseball. And

889
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: I think he's even blown all of us away with

890
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: how how much he really understands and who he is

891
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: as a person and a player. Uh, he's he's sky's

892
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: the limits with him, and I'm happy to say that

893
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: I competed against him. It would have been great to

894
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: be a teammate with him. I think, just who he is,

895
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 1: it's you want to be surrounded by the best, and

896
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: I think that's where you develop over time, you develop friendships.

897
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: We've just had some period periodically, you know, highs here

898
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: and there. But I have no ill will. I I

899
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 1: really do respect him and I am a fan of him,

900
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: and I think that's what it takes is we all

901
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: check some balances. We're all when we start, you know,

902
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: everybody's checking us. We just got to prove ourselves. We

903
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: got approve to everybody, and it just is what it is.

904
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: But yeah, situation kind of I guess got a little hand.

905
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 1: I learned a very valuable lesson out open my mouth.

906
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: Right after the game, we go we were we walked

907
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: out of the clubhous we were four. We're like because

908
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: we asked he said, did you throw him on a purpose? Like, oh, yeah,

909
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: I drilled him on purpose?

910
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my, oh You're not supposed to

911
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: do that.

912
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: Do you have a we had we had Chase on

913
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, and we had Burl on

914
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 2: or about a month or so ago, and and you know,

915
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: Pat told a great Chase story. Chase, we asked him stories.

916
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite Chase utlest story? Just kind

917
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: of shows you what kind of competitor he is.

918
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: Oh man, I mean there's times, you know, Chase could

919
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: be very like a silent assassin in a way, and

920
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, he he didn't really like to show he

921
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: was frustrated. But every once in a while, I mean

922
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: you'd see behind closed doors and you know, you have

923
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: we have stuff every where. And I think there was

924
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 1: one moment. I mean he came in and just blew

925
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: up anything that was in his way. I mean, I

926
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: mean he had a bad I mean he's throwing stuff,

927
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: he's hitting stuff, and he's blowing up all sorts of things,

928
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: and like, oh my god, I wanted to laugh because

929
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: you just don't see that side of him. I mean,

930
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: he's so serious and I'm just like, this is awesome

931
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: to watch and he's just flipping out because you do

932
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: you can understand this frustration and how much time he

933
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: puts into what he did. I mean, the game finished,

934
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: Boom was in the video room. He wanted to rewatch

935
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: a few things so that he could go to bed,

936
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: either processing to trying to move forward or going, oh,

937
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: this is what they're gonna do tomorrow. I got a

938
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: prep for this tomorrow. That taught me a lot. I

939
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: mean the video time that taught me to put in

940
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: more time video and the video room was watching him.

941
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I think we've had some some fun

942
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: times off the field a little bit more that you know,

943
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: we're just kind of keep is enjoying the moment, especially

944
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: on golf trips, which you know, golf trips involved uh,

945
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: you know a lot of other extracurriculars and and that

946
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: sort of thing. So it's been good, but you know

947
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: it's been a golf story.

948
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 4: We need a golf story from you.

949
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you know we had a really good uh

950
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: he had a forty. So we're all down in in

951
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: uh Cabo and a lot of us all came and

952
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: you know, you the golf, the the course we can

953
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 1: play at. I mean it's it's you wear a bathing suit,

954
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: that's about it. No shoes. I mean, you're drinking tequila

955
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: shots throwing them out a bell. I mean, it's it.

956
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: It's in a ruckus, uh, in a way, and you

957
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: know it's like, oh man, when we go, you know,

958
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: all the wives or girlfriends are waiting. You're like, this

959
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: is not going to end. Well, we're finishing up eighteen.

960
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: I mean it's a circus. And we've got Nick Punto

961
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: there too. Uh and I think you guys know him,

962
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: Like we got to go back and like we got

963
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: to clean it up. So it's just those things. It's

964
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: all a sudden, you see. It's fun, fun, fun, and

965
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: then ever sort of like looks at each other and

966
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: like it was all serious. Eric, All right, guys, let's

967
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: get back to serious mode. So yeah, that's uh, it's

968
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: just a good time with all those guys, and you know,

969
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: to see him now and you know in London with

970
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: a lot of those guys, it was just great to

971
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: be around. I think the funniest thing that he told

972
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: me while he was doing last week he was doing

973
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: like the sort of home run hitting contest or it

974
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: was a point thing against Daniel Murphy, and I mean,

975
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: he's in there he goes, this is my worst nightmare.

976
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what do you mean, Chase. He goes,

977
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: I have to hit right now, and he goes in

978
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: front of this like, this is my worst nightmare. I

979
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: was like, damn it, Chase, Now you get in my head.

980
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: I gotta throw a first pitch out and I throw

981
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: a fall in. That's my worst nightmare. I'm gonna throw.

982
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bounce this. So now I'm like, Chase, what

983
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: do you do? He's like practice. I'm like, so, you're

984
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: gonna see me probay after this, and we're I have

985
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: to go throw a ball into the into the fence

986
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: to get ready for a first pitch. One pitch coming

987
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: true right now.

988
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 2: Well, good luck man, good luck and enjoy yourself. On Friday.

989
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: We really appreciate the time. It's going to be a

990
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 2: lot of fun. I know that it's going to be

991
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 2: packed ballpark, and they're going to love to see the

992
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 2: highlights and see you and and and you know, relive

993
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 2: some of those great moments.

994
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: I think.

995
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 3: And congratulations from someone who's got a chance to watch

996
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 3: you grow up and become the person and the player

997
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 3: that you are.

998
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:21,919
Speaker 1: Were.

999
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 3: You should be very proud of your accomplishments and soak

1000
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 3: it in. Man, enjoy every minute of it, because you

1001
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 3: deserve it. You are one of the more iconic players

1002
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 3: in the history of our of our franchise, and you

1003
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 3: made lives very very happy. There are fifty sixty seventy

1004
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 3: eighty year old people who are in that parade.

1005
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: Who are forever ever in your debt and debted to you.

1006
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 3: So thanks so much for what you've done for this franchise.

1007
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, Revan, Thanks for your kind of words.

1008
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: Thanks again to Cole Hamil's for the time. We had

1009
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,920
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