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Speaker 3: Problem solved touchdown, Tyler Murray.

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Speaker 2: That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 1: All that was nasty right there right The latest news

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Speaker 1: and notes from the insiders who cover the team.

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Speaker 3: Bring it on, Break it on.

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Speaker 2: Touchdown Saving Holland swam to the ground by fooda baker

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Speaker 2: like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 3: I skirting nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is the one time of year where we

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Speaker 2: school started a couple of weeks ago. It's because moments

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Speaker 2: ago the final cuts were released. So let's see who's

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Speaker 2: present and accounted for Polly Podcast here.

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Speaker 4: Danny Sirek, I'm sorry present.

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Speaker 2: Gave everyone a scare, I really did.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't. I wasn't sure if you were naming everyone

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Speaker 4: in the room or you wanted.

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Speaker 2: No, I didn't.

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Speaker 3: He did name everybody, and then he was waiting.

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Speaker 4: For you to sorry. President.

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Speaker 2: Here the Danny Shrek fan club had a momentary. You know, wow, okay,

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Speaker 2: there's no fan club.

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Speaker 4: Someone did have me sign a poster at the game,

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Speaker 4: and I warned him that I was devaluing his sign

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Speaker 4: and he did not seem to care. Also, my signature

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Speaker 4: was horrible because I've never signed anything. I think I've

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Speaker 4: signed one thing before. So if you're listening, sorry for that.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever had to sign a football? It's happened

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Speaker 2: where occasion here or there, and it's not easy. It's

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Speaker 2: not easy. It's a skill to be able to take

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Speaker 2: a sharpie in real you know, put down the old

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Speaker 3: Football, especially if it's one of those pebbled ones.

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Speaker 2: It's yes. So I have much respect to the Larry

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Speaker 2: Fitzgerald's of the world who just do it effortlessly and seamlessly.

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Speaker 2: The autograph situation there, so we take a role because

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Speaker 2: guess what, I'm here, by the way, Darren, come on

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Speaker 2: now see That's why I was waiting.

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Speaker 3: You didn't.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you're going to see Darren's name

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Speaker 4: after you.

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Speaker 3: He was going to, but then we got we got side.

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Speaker 2: Unless it was Ai and it was Darren's voice being

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Speaker 2: replicated in some sort of scam over the phone. Uh

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Speaker 2: did you see that whole story recently about anyway? That's

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Speaker 2: a divergence. Either here's the deal. There's a lot to

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Speaker 2: talk about that we didn't really see coming. And it's

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Speaker 2: not just on the old get out your Bengal card Danny,

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Speaker 2: not just on the final fifty three in the list.

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Speaker 2: It's the whole quarterback situation. Because nothing preempts the quarterback competition.

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Speaker 2: And when I said going into camp that I would

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Speaker 3: You did do that, Paul.

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Speaker 2: I never ever thought it would quite go this direction.

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Speaker 3: Throw Colt right under the bus.

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Speaker 2: You did. Oh boy. So the way I see it

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Speaker 2: right now, if you want a one sentence summary of

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Speaker 2: Week one open at Washington, this starting quarterback job is

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Speaker 2: Josh Dobbs to lose true or false?

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Speaker 4: True?

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say true at this point.

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Speaker 2: They went out and they made the deal. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: too far removed from the final joint practice in Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: think there was cause and effect. I got pushback on

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Speaker 2: I'm still holding my ground at what they saw there

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Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, you have two, count the

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Speaker 2: two quarterbacks on the roster, where forty eight hours ago

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Speaker 3: I could see that, don't I don't think. As we

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Speaker 2: Its two career starts. Both were at the end of

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Speaker 3: For what eighty five passes in his career.

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Speaker 2: I'm very short notice. He had to go into Tennessee

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Speaker 3: That's true. I would look, I think there's there's a

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Speaker 3: good chance Joshua Dobbs is the quarterback, but we will see.

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Speaker 3: I think at this point, I think it's setting up

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Speaker 3: they've moved on from and guys that they've traded and

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Speaker 3: all this stuff. And I mean, the last time we talked,

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Speaker 3: Isaiah Simmons was still on this team. So there's just

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Speaker 3: there's a lot going on with this team, and there's

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Speaker 4: Unless there's a quarterback you had word that's getting cut

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Speaker 4: josh Dobbs brings. What's interesting to me about having just

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Speaker 3: Four weeks, at least.

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Speaker 4: The first four weeks. But even still, if you're gonna

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Speaker 4: interesting not to say it doesn't make sense when you

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Speaker 3: Obviously, it's an interesting move. I think it tells you

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Speaker 3: a lot of kind of where they were with Colt McCoy,

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Speaker 3: quite honestly, and we know that this team reached out

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Speaker 3: free agent, couldn't get that done. He went back to Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: Otherwise he would have been on this team already. So

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Speaker 3: it's again it's hard to get a good handle on

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Speaker 3: it because Jonathan Gannon is so vague about when he

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Speaker 3: what you said before, Paul, which is I think ultimately

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Speaker 3: Joshua Dobbs can very well win this starting job and

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Speaker 3: probably will, and if not, fifth round rookie Clayton Tune

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Speaker 3: is going to be your quarterback.

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Speaker 2: When pressed by the media, Jonathan Gannon simply said, there's

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Speaker 2: a plan and you're on a need to know basis,

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Speaker 2: and no one will know who the starting quarterback is

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Speaker 2: until game day, that the starting quarterback will run out

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Speaker 3: Face of Paul. That's going to come out before that.

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Speaker 3: It probably probably not for any of us, but some

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Speaker 3: will be on Twitter somewhere, an it'll be on x somewhere.

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Speaker 2: And an insider to be named later we'll tweet it

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Speaker 2: out game day morning. You can count on that, you're right.

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Speaker 2: But look, you have a quarterback that they targeted in

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Speaker 2: the off season and you're asking why why Joshua Dobbs, Well, okay,

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Speaker 2: recently with the Tennessee Titans. Before that, Drew Petscene and

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Speaker 2: Israel Wolfork, the Cardinals current quarterback coach in Cleveland, has

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Speaker 2: a knowledge of the Cardinals current system, making him a

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Speaker 2: But because he has knowledge of the system, plus what

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Gannon told the media in terms of this sort

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Speaker 2: a Colt McCoy. They value that in Clayton tune. We've

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Speaker 2: seen that. You've seen designed plays in the Cardinals offense

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Speaker 3: These are all true stories, and again it when you're

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Speaker 3: talking about fitting what they want to do, I mean

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Speaker 3: that plays part of it. I mean dialing back, and

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Speaker 3: I don't mean to get off the quarterback train real quick,

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Speaker 3: but I think that you know, comes back to Isaiah

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Speaker 3: And I think that's a major focus right now. If

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Speaker 3: you're going to reset the roster, you might as well

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Speaker 3: do the clean sweep right now and get everybody in

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Speaker 3: And even if there's you know, you might take a

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Speaker 2: And look what everyone saw in the Kansas City preseason game.

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Speaker 2: Once again, true or false. We all saw throughout the

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Speaker 2: off season, we saw in a mini camp, we saw

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Speaker 2: it in training camp practices. Just wasn't comfortable or effective

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Speaker 2: in space as a safety. Just wasn't a natural fit

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Speaker 2: and I've argued before, he's that ever rare five star athlete,

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Speaker 2: a lead athlete without a position. And unfortunately, it's a

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Speaker 2: hard lesson learned that you don't draft just measurables. You

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Speaker 2: have to draft the player. And if the player has measurables, great,

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Speaker 2: but you don't just draft measurables thinking they'll be a player.

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Speaker 2: And Isaiah Simmons checked all those boxes. And when the

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Speaker 3: Yes he did.

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Speaker 2: By the way he was going against the backup running back.

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Speaker 3: The question is is what is he not doing well?

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Speaker 2: And that is a great reminder because you can bust

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Speaker 4: I'd asked many awesome for when we got a chance

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Speaker 2: And look, the only contention I would have or just surmise,

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Speaker 3: I think it was. I think it was too early

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Speaker 3: Like Isaiah Simmons hasn't fit now essentially with two different

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Speaker 4: We'll see in week two. Hull open her.

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Speaker 2: So on that Thursday, you had the Isaiah Simmons trade

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Speaker 4: Is that a busy day for you, Darren?

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Speaker 3: Was it went quickly? Let's put it that one.

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Speaker 2: It was the day, There's no doubt. So now coming

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Speaker 2: this is just my belief. You guys saw the practices

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Speaker 2: And look, according to reports, he's already had offers, his

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Speaker 3: even Monty when he talked about it's kind of a

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Speaker 3: culmination of everything. I agree that probably showed them something.

439
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 3: I'm guessing they were already kind of leaning in that direction,

440
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 3: just like they were already leaning towards moving on from

441
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 3: Isaiah Simmons before the Kansas City game.

442
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 2: And Drew Stan pushback on that as well. There's no

443
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 2: doubt Darren, you guys are in the same camp, and

444
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 2: the fact they did homework and really pursued Josh Doabbs

445
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 2: earlier in the offseason.

446
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Speaker 3: I don't I don't want to feel I don't want

447
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,439
Speaker 3: you to feel like me and Drew are ganging up

448
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 3: on you, Paul.

449
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 2: But I would say on the Isaiah Simmons. I don't

450
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 2: think the KC film ended him. It may be for

451
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 2: people who don't see the Cardinals on a daily basis,

452
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 2: and it's no fault of their own. You're not out

453
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 2: there at practice. But what you saw in the KC game,

454
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 2: the coaches and talent evaluators saw plenty of in the

455
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 2: off season, in mini camp, in training camp. The guy

456
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 2: just didn't look natural in space and didn't seem to

457
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 2: be fluid at safety. And definitely you forget when Buddha,

458
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 2: Baker and Jalen Thompson are are on the field how

459
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 2: many touchdown saving tackles they make, and when you get

460
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 2: another lesser safety out there, whether it was anybody who

461
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 2: was in the running with the twos or threes, I mean, look,

462
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna use an example. He wasn't the only guy.

463
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 2: But like in the game against Denver, when Andre Sacherai

464
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 2: missed a couple of tackles in space, tackles that Buddha

465
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 2: and Jalen Thompson make almost routine.

466
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Speaker 3: Andre Shasher did not make the team, by the.

467
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Speaker 2: Way exactly, and you realize the value of a deep

468
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 2: safety who does exactly that. He is your safety.

469
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Speaker 4: Valve are you saying this team is not as safe

470
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 4: when Buddha Baker and Jalen Thompson are out on the field.

471
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Speaker 2: Not out on the field, I'm definitely psychic.

472
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 3: She grabbed her microphone, gripped it.

473
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 4: I was excited about that one. I was waiting for

474
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 4: Paul to finish so I could squeeze that in there.

475
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 2: Should we say, though, that this team is in need

476
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 2: of another safety? Is Javante Moffitt long for this roster?

477
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 2: Because if Jalen Thompson is your top nickel corner, which

478
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 2: could be the case, and teams go into three and

479
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: four wide, three four, five and five wide, and then

480
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're going in a nickel or diamond.

481
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 2: Jalen Thompson drops into the slot. You have Buddha Baker,

482
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Speaker 2: and who's your other safety?

483
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Speaker 4: I mean, I do think they need a safety, right,

484
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 4: I mean this This coaching staff likes Moffitt. Here's the

485
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 4: thing is, I feel like we've just rewound. How many

486
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 4: months are we out from April? April five months right

487
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 4: before the drafter You're talking about the needs looking at

488
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 4: the death It's like, yes, I agree that they should

489
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 4: find another safety, but they also have a lot of

490
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 4: other positions after these initial cuts that are more pressing.

491
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 4: So it's hard. It's hard to say, yes they need

492
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 4: a safety when that's true, but there are more pressing

493
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 4: positions that need to be dress after this first round

494
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 4: of cuts.

495
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Speaker 5: So Jazz center, well, yeah, yes, absolutely, John Gaines being

496
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 5: out for the season is I mean, I think fro

497
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 5: Hold has done a nice job, but you need to

498
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 5: have somebody behind him, and right now.

499
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 4: They don't, right because pad Elfline is not on IR,

500
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 4: which would have kept him out on Yeah, he's done,

501
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 4: he's all year. Yeah, both of them.

502
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 2: So in your power pool of needs, if you're Moni

503
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 2: masen Fort, I mean center, backup center asked to supersed

504
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 2: backup safety at this point, at the very least, you

505
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 2: could put Antonio Hamilton and Nickel and then use Jalen

506
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 2: Thompson and a Buddha Baker at safety.

507
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Speaker 3: They did keep five cornerbacks, so like, I don't know

508
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 3: if Jalen Thompson is going to play Nickel.

509
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 4: Well, I'm curious because you know, we saw Lasda Smith

510
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 4: play a little bit of center last year, but he

511
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 4: was one of the initial cuts and he played.

512
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: A little bit in Minnesota in the game, So I.

513
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Speaker 4: Don't I don't know what the thought is there, because

514
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 4: it's what would you do bring him to the practice

515
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 4: squad that.

516
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Speaker 3: Doesn't help your Well, it might in the short term, the.

517
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 4: Short term so that that's a possibility, but center might

518
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 4: be your most I mean, you also don't currently have

519
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 4: a long snap.

520
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 3: But I would also very much argue that if Lacida

521
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 3: Smith made them comfortable as a potential backup center, you

522
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 3: just keep them. I mean you you you went down

523
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 3: to fifty two with your initial cuts there, If you

524
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,719
Speaker 3: if you liked Lacita Smith, why wouldn't you keep them

525
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 3: on your regular roster rather than exposing to the practice

526
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 3: squad in the short term at least.

527
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm guessing Lacida Smith wasn't going to get

528
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: any snaps at center until John Gaines went down on

529
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 2: the first offensive play of the game for the Cardinals.

530
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 2: You know, oh, here's a random question. Why doesn't a center,

531
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 2: any center on any team learn how to long snap?

532
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 2: And you can say it's used to be.

533
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 3: It used to be, that's how it's done.

534
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 2: You can save your team a roster spot. You know

535
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 2: much value you would bring if you were a starting

536
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: center in this leg, but you also long or even

537
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 2: a backup center who could long snap.

538
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 3: You're you're also talking about. It's funny because I've I've

539
00:26:55,240 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 3: had conversations. The evolution of special teams is really interesting.

540
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 3: If you go back to like the seventies, like the

541
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 3: starting center was your long snapper, but they didn't care

542
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 3: as much. I mean, if you go back to the seventies,

543
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 3: if a guy was making half of his field goal attempts,

544
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 3: you were okay with it. I mean, look at look

545
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 3: at the field goal percentages back then. I remember talking

546
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 3: to Todd Haley when he was the offensive coordinator here

547
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 3: and his dad was in the Pittsburgh organization.

548
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 2: Oh phenomenal. He was responsible for a lot of those

549
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 2: Hall of famers drafted in the seventies.

550
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 3: Yes, and he was in their personnel department. So Todd

551
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 3: Haley spent a lot of time around the Steelers when

552
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 3: he was growing up. And Chuck Noll, hall of Fame coach,

553
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 3: won all those Super Bowls. Great teams did not care

554
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 3: about special teams. To Todd Haley would say that, like

555
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 3: it would be incredible, Like they literally would put no

556
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 3: effort into special teams of practice. And if you go

557
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 3: back and look at some of those great Steelers teams

558
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 3: of the seventies, and a couple of of those years,

559
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 3: the reasons they lost a couple of games were directly

560
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 3: on the special teams. Their offense was fine, their defense

561
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 3: was phenomenal, but they didn't put any effort in special teams.

562
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,959
Speaker 3: So they'd miss a field goal or they'd muff something,

563
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 3: and they people care about the special teams a lot more. Now.

564
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 2: Hey asked the Green Bay Packers two years ago in

565
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 2: the NFC Championship game, right when they had the punt

566
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: blocked right near their own end zone. Right, Otherwise the

567
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 2: Niners don't advance, don't beat the Packers in the playoffs.

568
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, it can still happen. By the way, I'm

569
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 2: throwing because I just realize Chris Boyd made this roster. Yes,

570
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 2: I did not quite comprehend that. Wow.

571
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 3: I just good on special teams though, And you got

572
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 3: to wonder about him and Ezekiel Turner. There's a couple

573
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 3: guys here that you would think, Okay.

574
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: Zeke Turner and Owen Papo made this team. I thought

575
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 2: it was one or the other. But it's special teams.

576
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: I'm guessing.

577
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 3: I'm guessing yeah, special teams that all those guys help

578
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 3: with special teams. And Papo is a guy that it's

579
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 3: funny that you bring up Isaiah Simmons earlier in the

580
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 3: measurable right now, Papo is, Hey, he's got measurables. Let's

581
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 3: see if he can play football.

582
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: I know we were calling the game and I had

583
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: half an eye on Owen Papo at one point and

584
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 2: he wasn't getting off blocks all that.

585
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 3: Well, he's I think he's a work in progress. I

586
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 3: think with his with his athleticism and talent, he would

587
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 3: have been a lot higher than the fifth round pick

588
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 3: if he had been able to show a lot in college.

589
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: Other roster decisions I didn't see coming Blake Whiteheart beating

590
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: out Noah TONGII. But it goes back to a premise

591
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: we've advanced many times, which is if you got a

592
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: young guy and or a rookie and it's real close

593
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: to the veteran, guess what they're going with the player

594
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: who has the future the future upside because the future

595
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 2: is now. So when you talk about that, when you

596
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: talk about a Daniel Arius who didn't do a lot

597
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: in the preseason, that stands out to my recollection nearly

598
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: had a great catch over the middle in Minnesota and

599
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: then left the field banged up, nicked up a little bit,

600
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: but he has that great size and there's a lot

601
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 2: auto potential there. For now, he's one of six wide

602
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: receivers to make this team. I didn't quite see that coming.

603
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: What else, anything else stand out as surprises? I mean,

604
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 2: you kept seven outside linebackers.

605
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 4: Not necessarily a full on surprise, but cutting running back

606
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 4: Corey Clement, who looked good in the preseason, good in

607
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 4: special teams. However, if you're you know, count to Ingram

608
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 4: looked great and what we saw of him in the preseason.

609
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 4: So if James Connors you're one, Ingram's your two. And

610
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 4: what you're talking about, you like Corey Clement and you

611
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 4: like the undrafted rookie and Amari de Mercado, You're gonna

612
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 4: go with de Mercado in that sense.

613
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 3: I'm curious why you think seven offside linebackers is a

614
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 3: lot in a three to.

615
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: Four No, I guess not. I just I guess it's

616
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 2: more than names than anything. Like a Victor d. Mukage

617
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: and a Jesse Luketta, I see them as very similar players.

618
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 4: Jesse Luketta can play full back.

619
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

620
00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 4: We learned that in Minnesota.

621
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 3: I think some of that is injury related too, because

622
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 3: Dennis Gardick is dealing with a knee injury. We don't

623
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: know what my J. Sanders are going to do with

624
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 3: his hand and Bjoe Jalari is not ready to ramp

625
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: it up all the way. And the other thing we

626
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 3: don't know as we record this is if they make

627
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 3: waiver claims, they're gonna have to start cutting some of

628
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 3: these guys. So it might be one of those dudes.

629
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: No, that's a good job of drilling a little deeper

630
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 2: with the my J. Sanders Dennis Gardik injuries. You're right,

631
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,239
Speaker 2: b Joe Jalari late start to camp, no question about it.

632
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: D Line seven are they light there? Don't you at

633
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: least go into a season with eight D lineman or.

634
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 3: If you're a three to four and you could probably

635
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,479
Speaker 3: play Cam Thomas down there once in a while if

636
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 3: if need be. I don't I think seven sounds about right.

637
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 3: I feel like they've kept six last year.

638
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: Maybe I would say just taking I mean, Ben Stilly,

639
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: Kevin Strong, better keep your head on a swivel. I mean,

640
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: I'm not sure you know I'm not sure what's gonna

641
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: come of they.

642
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: Or they like Kevin Strong like, I think it's funny

643
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: because some of the guys we might be thinking might

644
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: be the first out the door might not be in.

645
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 3: It might be somebody else.

646
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: So so there's all that. But once again, getting back

647
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: to the whole quarterback situation.

648
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 3: David, keep bringing it all the way back.

649
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: You know, it's like it's like in sports radio, what

650
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: do they say, play the hits? Keep coming back to

651
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: the top story. There you go, So with a whole

652
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 2: quarterback situation, you know the Clayton tune, and look, you

653
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: guys know my affinity for the fifth round rookie and

654
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: the whole let the rook cook And I was all

655
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: about Clayton tune.

656
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 3: But now you're feeling a little sheepish about it, aren't you.

657
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: Well Danny's point. Yeah, when he was looking left and

658
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: the safety blitz was coming from the right and the

659
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: strip sack and he fumbles the ball at the five,

660
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: you realize, okay, not quite regular season ready. Now at

661
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: some point he's gonna need regular season reps. But there's

662
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: no doubt it's gonna benefit him to watch from the sideline.

663
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,959
Speaker 2: If what happens is what we expect, and Josh Dobbs

664
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: is your Week one starter released. You got to figure

665
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: that Dobbs has seen enough that he won't fall victim

666
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: to something like that, right to a defensive coordinator dialing

667
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: up something exotic which Clayton Tune had never experienced before.

668
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: At least Josh Dobbs has been there and done that

669
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: and seen it on film, and you would think would

670
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: have the wherewithal in the game once behind center to

671
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: recognize it.

672
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 4: Not having Colt McCoy in that room makes it all

673
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 4: the more important for Kyler Murray to step up as

674
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 4: a leader and as a mentor and to help these

675
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 4: quarterbacks in the room and meetings when they're going over

676
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 4: film when they are on the sideline. Not to say

677
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 4: that he wasn't necessarily doing that before, but that was

678
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 4: a big role that Colt took on. And so now

679
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 4: that it's the three of them and Kyler Murray you're

680
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 4: starting quarterback, he's the most experienced, Especially since he's not

681
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 4: playing and he's gonna be on the sideline, he's gonna

682
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 4: have to step up and help Dobbs and help Clayton

683
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 4: Tune make sure they're understanding what the defense is showing

684
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 4: them and what's going on, and really take a take

685
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 4: on that leadership role and fill in there.

686
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 2: The one thing that's irritating for people who are not

687
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: around the team, and I'm talking mainly about the national

688
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: media and a narrative that has emerged, especially in the

689
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: last twenty four hours that somehow cutting a Colet McCoy

690
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: equates to tanking or not taking.

691
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 3: That I thought that was kind of interesting.

692
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: Are those folks who saw what we saw the move

693
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: was made to improve the play at quarterback, to actually

694
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 2: get better at quarterback. That's why you're hoping, Yes, that's

695
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: what at least that's the objective that Josh Dobbs for

696
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: the reasons that Jonathan Gannon elaborated on just a little bit,

697
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: the ability to play in and outside the pocket, to

698
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 2: have no question about his arm strength, to have knowledge

699
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 2: in the system and game experience. If you were all

700
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 2: about tanking quote end quote, you know what, you would

701
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 2: have been better off just going with Clayton Tune as

702
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 2: your starter.

703
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 3: You would have been.

704
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: Better going off with the Colt, going with the cold

705
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: McCoy that we saw in Minnesota. If you would have

706
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: stuck with him as opposed to making a move in

707
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: the interest of improving the quality of play at quarterback.

708
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: So to me and from what I've seen, that narrative

709
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 2: couldn't be any more wrong when it relates to the

710
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: quarterback position and what was just executed.

711
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 3: I would agree that the narrative couldn't be more wrong

712
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 3: because I don't understand the thought process. With all due

713
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 3: respect to cole Like, I don't think that's where he

714
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 3: was in his career. Now that being said, I don't

715
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 3: think it's a lock that you're better. You're trying. You

716
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 3: might be trying to get better. You don't know. I

717
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 3: don't know that Josh Dobbs is necessarily going to give

718
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 3: you more on the field than Colt McCoy is going to.

719
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: I have a feeling Josh Dobbs and Colt McCoy might

720
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: be able to do more. I understand Clayton Tune has

721
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 3: got more physical gifts. The blindside or it wasn't the

722
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 3: blind side, it was to his open side. He just

723
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 3: didn't see it. I mean that that was a blitzer

724
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 3: that I'd be curious to know. He took to his credit,

725
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 3: he took responsibility for not seeing it. That's what I

726
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 3: was thinking that maybe he missed the hot read. I

727
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 3: don't know. I saw somebody on social media, some analysts

728
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: make the point that the Cardinals had enough blockers for

729
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 3: that play, including the blitzer. They just didn't communicate. And

730
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 3: I don't know who is that on? Was that on

731
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 3: the third team center at that point because Gains had

732
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 3: already been out and fro Hole wasn't playing like That's

733
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 3: the other problem is you can't how much can you

734
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 3: really judge out of the Minnesota game when who was playing?

735
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: I'll tell you this much, Clayton Tune got a lot

736
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: of valuable experience, much more than a typical preseason. When

737
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 2: Vance Joseph blitzed him in the first game, Steve Spagnola

738
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: blitzed him in the second game against Kansas City. You know,

739
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: Brian Flores came after him both in the two joint

740
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: practices and in the game itself. So I think there

741
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 2: were a lot of valuable reps that he got beyond

742
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 2: a typical preseason the rookie Clayton Tune. But in the

743
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: name of not having to end up like a Sam

744
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: Darnold who ends up losing a game early his rookie career,

745
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 2: and then tells the media I was seeing ghosts out there,

746
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 2: quote end quote. I get it. There's a serious downside

747
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 2: of putting a rookie quarterback out there too soon, and so, okay,

748
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: you're gonna bring in a Josh Dobbs. On the other hand,

749
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 2: if indeed there is a future for Clayton toon in

750
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: this league, he's gonna have to learn on the job.

751
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: Peyton Manning went three and thirteen as a rookie and

752
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: said an NFL record for interceptions thrown by a rookie.

753
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: Troy Aikman went one in fifteen and got pummeled his

754
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: rookie year, and they both ended up in the Hall

755
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 2: of Fame. So he I know what I'm saying. It's

756
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: not every quarterback ends up in shambles because they had

757
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 2: to play early in their career.

758
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 3: I would like to know. I would like some better compare.

759
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 3: Since no offense, then.

760
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: Two gave you two opposites. I gave you Sam Donald

761
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: on one end, and I gave you two Hall of

762
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: famers on the other.

763
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 3: Okay, you did, but you also the two that rallied

764
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 3: were number one overall picks, and even Sam Donald was

765
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 3: third overall. How about we talk about a fifth round

766
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 3: pick that had to play early and when how that went.

767
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 3: And that's the thing. No, no, no offense to Clayton Tone,

768
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 3: but it just doesn't that Tom Brady stuff usually doesn't happen,

769
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 3: you know.

770
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: I guess my point put it to put it in

771
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: another way, if a player has it, they have it.

772
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if their early experiences as a rookie

773
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 2: proves to be that faithful. Like if brock Party would

774
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: have been the Niners starter from week one, would he

775
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: been a shell of his eventual self just because he

776
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: eventually started week ten or eleven? I mean, are we

777
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 2: thinking brock Party it would have come out there and

778
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: stunk up the join and never made it out past Halloween.

779
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: If he would have been a week one starter versus

780
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 2: starting sometime in November. I don't know. It looks like

781
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: he can play period. I'm not saying there isn't benefits

782
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 2: to sitting on the sideline and watching as a rookie,

783
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 2: and because nothing you see in the preseason is going

784
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: to resemble regular season all that much, except, like I mentioned,

785
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: there were instances where Advance Joseph, Steve Spagnola, and Brian

786
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: Flores lit him up like a regular season scheme.

787
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 3: It'd be interesting on the tune, I mean the party stuff.

788
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: You drop Purdy into a perfect situation for a quarterback,

789
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 3: between who his play caller is and the roster they

790
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 3: have around him and how they run an offense. That's

791
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 3: number one. The other thing is that I saw this again.

792
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 3: There are still some people waiting to see how brock

793
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: Purty plays this year and whether he caught lightning in

794
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 3: a bottle last year, if he's really that guy.

795
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: And what did brock Purty have the ultimate balanced offense,

796
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: the Kyle Shanahan run game, he has the best left

797
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: ha the game. And Trent Williams. I mean, there were

798
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: a lot of things benefiting a rookie quarterback for the

799
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: forty nine ers last year that allowed him to excel.

800
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 2: You can't subtract that from the equation, I guess to

801
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 2: put another way, is Paris Johnson Junior ready for Chase Young?

802
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 2: Is Key troll Clark ready for Terry McLaurin. Is Michael

803
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 2: Wilson ready for quick somebody named the top cornerback for

804
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: the Washington.

805
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 3: Team playing you might not? And Chase Young is like.

806
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: A shell of himself.

807
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 4: Not to take away from the importance of a right

808
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 4: tackle or wide receiver. But it's different when you're a quarterback.

809
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 2: Right it is, it is, the job description is, it's

810
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: much more fast and uh than any other position. I

811
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: get it.

812
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 4: I don't disagree that game reps are the most important

813
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 4: way for somebody like Clayton Tune to take their game

814
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 4: to the next level, to see what you really have

815
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 4: in him, and to see those improvements at the speed

816
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 4: in which you would like to. That's just not the

817
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 4: situation that the Cardinals find themselves in. I mean we

818
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 4: say this before the season starts. I mean, knock on wood,

819
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 4: things could go horribly sideways early and you end up

820
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 4: with Clayton Tune as you're starting quarterback a few games

821
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,479
Speaker 4: into the season to see what you have before Kyler

822
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 4: Murray comes back. I mean, we don't know.

823
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 3: Bailey's Appy's out there, Paul, it's an option. Trace mcsorley's

824
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 3: out there.

825
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 2: As of this recording, the Patriots have one quarterback one

826
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 2: on the roster.

827
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 3: You're starting the Tom Brady's coming back room around.

828
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying there's a lot of anomalies out there,

829
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. Okay, it's just you know, you

830
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 2: can come to your own conclusions people, and people are

831
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: coming to those conclusions. There's no question.

832
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 3: About we're here for it to come to conclusions.

833
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 2: Are you guys finally ready to admit that this offseason,

834
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: especially after this last week? Isaiah Simmons Cole McCoy one

835
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 2: member left of the two thousand twenty draft class. Lucky

836
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: Foe too.

837
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 3: Who played well he did preseason.

838
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 2: He did those joint practices. He made the Vikings starting

839
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: center Garrett Bradberry and those one on ones look stupid.

840
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 4: There was a play on the second day of practice

841
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 4: where Lucky ended up making a little more contact with

842
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 4: the running back that I think that was a very

843
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 4: nice then I think the Vikings would have preferred, and

844
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 4: so everyone kind of hudded around. It wasn't a fighter

845
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 4: one kind of huddle around, and you could see Lucky.

846
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 4: He basically did the emoji where your hands go up

847
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 4: in the air and you're shrugging your shoulders, tilting your head,

848
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 4: going eh, And that's what he did after that.

849
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do?

850
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 3: You know that's or more importantly, what are you gonna

851
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 3: do to me? I'm a huge human being.

852
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 4: I will say, I was wrong. I thought that we

853
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 4: were going to have a scuffle. There there were zero

854
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 4: that was impressive.

855
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: It was disappointing. I don't know, impressive or disappointing.

856
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 3: What was it there? No, it was no want to mess.

857
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 4: It was too hot to be in someone else's face.

858
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking now that Isaiah Simmons was traded. And

859
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 3: I know we got to let the rook cook, which

860
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 3: but uh, I'm like and I and after seeing Andy

861
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 3: Isabella got cut by the Bills.

862
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: Again, Oh man, that hurts. Now that's a chief show.

863
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 3: We need a nickname Isiah.

864
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 4: No, Andy, you had a nickname for somebody at training camp,

865
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 4: did you not?

866
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 3: I didn't think he did, did he?

867
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 4: Well, he was coming up with some of them. He

868
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 4: was changing Isaiah's name.

869
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 3: Oh that's what it was.

870
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 2: Well, it was Isaiah the intimidator, that's right, that had

871
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: a life above.

872
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 4: No, don't because you like saying a Mari Demarcado.

873
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 3: Well, let's make sure he's on the roster before.

874
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 2: What I like saying is in Mari de Mercado. Pause

875
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 2: the Pauli Pigskin breakout player at camp? Hello?

876
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 4: What's he one of your seven?

877
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 2: Danny? Where are my flowers.

878
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 4: Where where's that list of seven players you had made

879
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 4: the roster?

880
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: I did narrow it down to Amario de Mercado and

881
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: Dante still has won in offense one.

882
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 3: On defense, and they both made it. For now.

883
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 2: For now, are you too ready to come around to

884
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 2: the fact that this calendar year of twenty twenty three

885
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: has basically equated to another Purge movie? I asked Jay

886
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: Feely on the air, how have you not seen a

887
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: single Purge movie? Because once again there are five The Purge,

888
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 2: the Purge Anarchy, the Purge Election Year, the First Purge,

889
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: the Forever Purge, and now what will be known as

890
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 2: either the Big Red Purge or the Purge Roster reconstruction.

891
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 3: Can you I want that? For Paul's intro when he

892
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 3: reads off all the you.

893
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 2: Like Scarry movies, Paul, I'm just saying this resembles I've

894
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: had to watch the Purge movies because of the sixteen

895
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: year old punk. I don't know why as an affinity

896
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: for those movies, but I've been force fed the Perge

897
00:44:58,520 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: movies over the years.

898
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 3: It does a do me a whole lot of good.

899
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 2: So I just thought it was an apt comparison to

900
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 2: what we've seen and it's and.

901
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 3: It's what's definitely happened for sure.

902
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 2: I used to go with you remember this, Darren. Okay,

903
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,959
Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw you a bone over here. Ten years

904
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: ago Planet Orange, right, the whole marketing thing was the

905
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: Sun remember, Yeah, that was like a twenty win team,

906
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: and then Steve Nash went away and it was in

907
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: a state of disarray, and I went with Planet Orange. Cones.

908
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 3: Yes, I remember that. You did that a lot on

909
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 3: the radio construction zone. There were there were some groans,

910
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 3: but you did do it.

911
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: So the team president of the Sun's didn't appreciate it,

912
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 2: as I found out once at a game.

913
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 3: But anyway, how many how many waiver claims you think

914
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,720
Speaker 3: this team is going to make? I shouldn't say waiver claims.

915
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: How many waivers I would have done the same thing.

916
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 3: How many waiver players will they be awarded? Let's say that.

917
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 2: At least under at least three max of six.

918
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, pick a number.

919
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 4: I'll go four, I'll go three.

920
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go I'm going five. Really, I think it'll

921
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: be five. Okay, what do you know, Darren, I don't

922
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 3: know anything. Well, first of all, they haven't even put

923
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 3: in the waiver claims yet, because they don't do that

924
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 3: until Wednesday morning, So I don't know anything going.

925
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 4: Off the purge though, Paul, thank you, Danny.

926
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 2: Let's let's bring it back to the purgeon ar.

927
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 4: It is just so distracted quarter. I think it's I

928
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 4: think it stems from you just have a different philosophy

929
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 4: now when it comes to your general manager when it

930
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 4: comes to what they're looking for in a draft, when

931
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 4: it comes to the type of culture that they're building,

932
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 4: and the head coach you brought in, and the type

933
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 4: of player, the type of play you want to see

934
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 4: out on the field that the head coach is looking for,

935
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 4: it just feels really different. So it makes sense to

936
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 4: me that you could have a purge because in a

937
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 4: lot of sense, is it kind of feels like a

938
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 4: one to eighty from what was going on in this

939
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 4: organization before?

940
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: In what way is there a way to capture that?

941
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: To ex us that I think it.

942
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 4: At least in my time here, it was a heavy

943
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 4: emphasis on older veterans proven finding a way to get

944
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 4: them out here, as opposed to maybe drafting those younger

945
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 4: players that you could see as pillars for your organization.

946
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 4: The type of player you were bringing in. We've heard

947
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 4: a lot about not having an ego, and I'm not

948
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 4: saying that for any player specifically, but I just think

949
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 4: the culture and the way that meetings are conducted and

950
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 4: practice is held, it just feels different. It feels and

951
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 4: look up, we've talked about this staff doesn't have an

952
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 4: allegiance to the players who have been here before. It

953
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 4: just kind of feels like less about Okay, you're a

954
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 4: proven player. We know you're a veteran, you've been in

955
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 4: the league for a long time. We're gonna let you

956
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 4: do your thing and just kind of work around. It

957
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 4: doesn't feel like that at all. It feels like, Okay,

958
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 4: if you're not going to give us what we need,

959
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 4: we're going to find someone else.

960
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 3: I'm going to use an exact ample going back to

961
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 3: the early part of the offseason with DeAndre Hopkins. I

962
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 3: don't think this current front office and coaching staff has

963
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 3: any desire to have a player that, like for instance,

964
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 3: when he before he got traded, would not show up,

965
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 3: but yet be doing all this media talking about a

966
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 3: situation like that. Those kind of players aren't gonna I

967
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 3: don't know. I have a feeling they probably would have

968
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 3: moved on from DeAndre Hopkins anyways. But once he went

969
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 3: on that tour and started talking about being other places,

970
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 3: I mean, it's tough to have a guy on your

971
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 3: team and when he's already been talking about going all

972
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 3: these other places, or.

973
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 4: A player who didn't feel the need of practice every.

974
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,479
Speaker 3: Week with a team you mean with DeAndre, right.

975
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, doesn't feel like that would fit what this staff

976
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 4: is wanting to see from their players.

977
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 3: Look at what we saw training camp with this Even

978
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 3: guys that were hurt were dressing out every day.

979
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 2: Yep.

980
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 3: Guys that didn't practice for like two straight weeks were

981
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 3: in uniform, dressing out and sometimes oftentimes we're even stretching.

982
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 3: They didn't do anything of practice. In past years, they

983
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 3: just would have come out later after a little bit

984
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 3: of rehab and watched. They had to dress out. You

985
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 3: couldn't tell who was hurt most of the time because

986
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 3: he made them dress out. I think that's absolutely a

987
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 3: great point, Danny.

988
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 2: It sort of ties into the way I would best

989
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 2: summarize it is the previous regime was all about game day.

990
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 2: You come out seventeen games a year, you ball out.

991
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 2: We're good, We're good. Make sure, you're ready to go

992
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: when that ball kicks off. That's not enough for this

993
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 2: current regime. You got to be all ball all the time.

994
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 2: They're much more serious about everything, even us, Paul, Yes

995
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 2: they are.

996
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 4: And well, again, something that might not seem like a

997
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 4: big deal. The players had the option of staying out

998
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 4: at the hotel of training camp last year. Wasn't an

999
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 4: option this year. Every player stayed out at the hotel.

1000
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 4: Things like that that might not seem big, but over

1001
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 4: time and throughout a season, they accumulate and they go

1002
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 4: towards the greater goal.

1003
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 2: Those two words winning behavior right team before me. So,

1004
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 2: by the way, the no allegiances you brought that up,

1005
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 2: that was that was an earlier. That was another you

1006
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 2: know CALVC consulting, marketing mantra earlier. You know why get credit? Well,

1007
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: you know we need to work that in somehow. Darren,

1008
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 2: you're waiting for the next nickname and you're not even

1009
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 2: paying attention to what's been offered to date. No allegiances

1010
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 2: months ago taking rolled. Belichick has the no days off.

1011
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,919
Speaker 2: Jonathan Gannon has no allegiances.

1012
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 3: I was promised the PowerPoint on all this, and I

1013
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 3: have not seen a Paul so my assistant.

1014
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: My assistant's been a lacking here. So you know, we've

1015
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 2: got a lot of stuff flying around here in a

1016
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 2: lot of different ways. Okay, all right, So what else

1017
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 2: do we miss? Anything else out there? Joshua Dobbs is

1018
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: coming full circle again. It's his job to lose.

1019
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 3: In our opinion.

1020
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 2: In our opinion, that's what we think. You're not gonna

1021
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 2: make the trade, give up a fifth round pick at

1022
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: the end of camp and bring in a guy who

1023
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 2: hasn't spent one snap with your team through camp or

1024
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: the preseason unless you have designs on playing him. Right,

1025
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,919
Speaker 2: You're not gonna cut Colt McCoy unless he is the guy, right.

1026
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 2: I mean you could have if you were gonna start

1027
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 2: Clayton tune, you would have kept Colt McCoy, would you not?

1028
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily subscribe to that now.

1029
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: You would have gone and put out a fifth round

1030
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 2: pick for strictly a backup quarterback at that point when

1031
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 2: a Colt McCoy or a David Blough could have been

1032
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 2: the backuput your.

1033
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 4: Third stringer when Kyler Murray comes back.

1034
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, agree, disagree? All right, So Danny, you're gonna

1035
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 2: be Will enjoy Labor Day weekend or is your head

1036
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: going to be on a swivel and on Twitter all

1037
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 2: all weekend long, with all the potential?

1038
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 3: This is all going to be done by Thursday afternoon,

1039
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 3: which is going to be lovely? Okay? All right?

1040
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 4: Which what else is happening Thursday afternoon? Remind me, Darren,

1041
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 4: Larry Fitzgerald's birthday?

1042
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 3: Oh? Like, what are you talking about? Don't? Yes, Larry

1043
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 3: Fitzgeral's birthday is Thursday.

1044
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 4: Who else is having a birthday Thursday? Why is it escaping?

1045
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: Interesting? How does that work? Darren? Do tell?

1046
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 3: I mean, are you, Paul you are together?

1047
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 2: Are you always on the fits birthday list? I mean,

1048
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 2: you know, because come on, Larry's having a birthday bash somewhere.

1049
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 2: Are you always extended invitation just by association? How does

1050
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 2: that work?

1051
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 3: No? I don't think that's my my all time favorite

1052
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 3: one with that was we had there was there must

1053
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 3: have been a preseason game that we traveled on August

1054
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 3: thirty first one year when fitz was on the team

1055
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 3: and I got to the plane and I think my

1056
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 3: youngest son was probably about ten at the time, twelve

1057
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,720
Speaker 3: at the time, and he texted me and he said, hey, Dad,

1058
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 3: I'm like yeah, and he goes, can you go wish

1059
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 3: Larry Fitzgerald the happy birthday for me?

1060
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 4: So since you're older, does that mean that fit shares

1061
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 4: a birthday with you rather than vice versa.

1062
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 3: He actually put on Twitter at one point. It's some

1063
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 3: we were arguing about not arguing, but it was one

1064
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 3: of those things where there was like multiple people. I

1065
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 3: think it had to do with that whole tattoo thing

1066
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 3: for a while, but he got into that and he goes, no,

1067
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 3: I love Darren. We share the same birthday even if

1068
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 3: he is twenty years older than me.

1069
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 4: And I'm like, hey, it's only nineteen.

1070
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 3: It's not nineteen, it's thirteen.

1071
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 4: Well, happy early birthday, Darren.

1072
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 2: All right, we'll leave it at that. We got to,

1073
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 2: you know, Darren asked to get his props at the

1074
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 2: very end, and if we don't want to have anything

1075
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 2: take away from that. Here to conclude, Cardinals Underground brought

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