WEBVTT - Exploring the Evaluation Process & Jaguars' Expectations | Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, March 2 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:10.040 It is Thursday, March second. This is Jaguars Happy Hour 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:16.600 and now newly registered mayoral candidate running under the Pity Party, 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:24.520 Jay Peace Shadrick. Welcome in. It's Jaguars Happy Hour from 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:29.240 the Indiana Convention Center in Indianapolis. The NFL Scouting Combine. 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:34.000 The testing getting underway today, Media time starting to wrap 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:36.560 up on Radio Row. We've got a busy show ahead 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:39.720 for the next hour here at the combine. CBS Sports 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.760 Senior writer Pete Frisco coming up. We'll hear from head 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:47.440 team position Kevin Kaplan. Yes, get his thoughts on you 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:50.599 know what happens here in Indianapolis with the team doctors 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:55.120 and Sirius XMNFL host Kirk Morrison joining us at about 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:59.520 four thirty or so today J P. Shadrick with senior 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:03.200 writer On Osier and more senior writer Pete Briscoe of 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:05.720 CBS Sports. So, in other words, we have a future 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:10.000 mayor and a former mayor of Jacksonville Saints still the mayor. 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.160 By the way, you don't look like Basselli. That music 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:15.480 reminded me of Joe's introduction. Is that Monday night a 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:19.120 game you don't look Likesselli? Better shape and you know 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:24.320 more than he does incredible. Here we are Pete Combine time, 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:28.040 the big flagpole event of the off season, one of them. 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:33.160 But this turned into a massive gathering and twelve hundred 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:36.440 credentialed media for this thing. And it's really two different events. 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.880 I mean, it's the coaching GM part to set the 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.120 tone for the off season for a lot of organizations. 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:45.000 And then the testing started today. I mean in this 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:47.160 place is starting to clear out because they're not worried 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:49.640 about that part. Well, and you know, you know me, John, 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:51.880 I've never been a big testing guy. You put the 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:53.520 tape on, you watch the tape, you find out if 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:56.200 a guy can play football. The interviews are good, the 0:01:56.280 --> 0:02:00.160 medicals good, all that is important, but the actual workout. 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:02.560 We've come here for years and seen guys come here 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:04.200 and they work out, Oh he's great, and then he 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:06.120 get drafted and they don't play that well. And so 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:08.600 I think you got to really evaluate him based on 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:11.400 the tape. This thing is enormous, by the way, I 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.839 think if you have a Draft Buddy leaflet, you're gonna 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:19.280 get a credential to this thing. NFL Draft siteeck dot net. 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:22.240 So yeah, and look, it's great for the game. It's 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:24.080 great for the kids who were doing it. But I 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:25.720 wish I had had an opportunity when I was a 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:27.160 young kid to be able to do something like that. 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:30.079 But it used to be in the thinking over there, 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:32.680 in that hotel room over there, That's where it was. 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:35.720 I want to hear your best twenty year old Combine story. 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:39.200 I'll tell you mine real quick. First Combine, you were 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:41.320 with CBS already. I had just taken over for you 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.760 at the Times Union. My only interview with Tom Coffin, 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:48.160 I'm the main Jaguars beat rider, my only interview with 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.920 Tom Coffin all week. I chased him down as he 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.120 was going into the Catholic church over here across the 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:57.920 street at six third or ten minutes for mass. Talked 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.920 to him for ten minutes formass. He gave me grief 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:03.560 because he said, you're putting our salary cap information into 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:07.519 paper rosure. But that was where you got the coach. 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.520 There was no podium, no, there was no car wash, 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.040 there was no set stage, and I was worried all 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.200 we going gonna get Tom. And I finally got him 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:18.360 on the steps of the Catholic church at five fifty 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:20.000 on a Saturday, and I know you were here a 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:22.440 couple of years before that, and I were here when 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:24.799 there was nothing and they were trying to throw you out. Basically, Yeah, 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:27.079 well you had to interview guys in the lobby of 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:28.920 the Crown Plaza right there, That's what it was. And 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:30.880 they'd bring it. If you'd asked for a player, they'd 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:32.600 bring him down. There'd be like four or five guys 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:34.399 would talk to him. Sometimes you were the only guy 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:36.600 talking to him. It was just so much different. My 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:40.360 story is that first year I came was the year before, Yeah, 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:43.240 the year they were drafted, that first draft pick, and 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:46.520 I remember chasing Steve McNair down the road trying to 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:48.560 get them because remember there was some talk that they 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:51.040 might end up taking Steve McNair. There was that one, 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.560 then there was I remember one of those early years, 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.320 it might have been year two, two agents actually got 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:58.520 in the fist fight in the lobby of them because 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:02.720 he was accusing his stealing is. Yeah, I thought you 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:04.600 were going to tell a different story about the first 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:08.720 time you came to the coll And then I think 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.440 it was ninety six when you called me and there 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:14.520 was a mob around Keishan and they remembered the story right, 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.479 And Jags had the number one pick. I mean I 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:18.880 had the number two pick and the Jets had the 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.480 number one, and Keshan went one and you asked him 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:25.200 about playing for Coffin, he went coach Coffee Cool. Yeah, yeah, 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.080 but he wasn't gonna play for him though, yeah now 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:28.640 and then and then it worked out great because the 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:31.480 Hall of Famer waste, so it worked out for them. 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:34.480 That's Pete Prisco, John Ozer, J P. Shatick is Jaguars 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.520 Happy Hour from the NFL Scouting Combine. You know, a 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:41.040 lot of positive reaction about the Jaguars run Pete here 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:43.680 in Indianapolis this week, right Lea so trimp Balky on 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:47.960 the podium on Tuesday and Doug Peterson making the rounds 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:51.159 and you know what, got a quarterback. A lot of 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:53.200 things going well, a lot of moves the last week 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:55.520 or so to move some money around, and then the 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:59.120 news today that they're expected to tag to have an Ingram, 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:03.320 so m you know, well, Evan Ingram wasn't going anywhere 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:05.480 no matter what they were trying. There's they probably still 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:07.000 are trying to get a deal done with him. If 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:10.160 they can't get the deal right, if they don't get 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:11.560 the deal done with him. But if they don't get 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:13.360 the deal done with him before they even put because 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:15.159 they haven't officially put the tag on them yet, there's 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:16.760 they're going to do it one way the other. He 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:19.720 will be in Jacksonville next year no matter what. But 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:23.440 if they get him tagged, um, then maybe what do 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.560 you do with with You know, Juan Taylor personally, and 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:29.400 I said that to them. I would not let Juan 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:33.000 Taylor out the door. He's too valuable. This is an 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:37.279 offensive team. You have a franchise quarterback. Make sure the 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:39.240 offense is every bit as good as it can be. 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.360 And by keeping Juwan Taylor there, I think, and Evan 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:44.719 Ingram there, and you add Ridley to the equation. And 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:47.279 by the way, I hear nothing but good things about 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:50.960 his ability to work out. He's supposedly flying around in 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.279 his workouts. Then all of a sudden, your offense is 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:55.279 pretty much set. You need a big banger back, but 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.520 aside from that, you're pretty much set there. Well, they 0:05:57.560 --> 0:05:59.800 were tenth in the league in offense last year and 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:01.960 really spent the first seven or eight games trying to 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.200 figure out where they were, and then they got you know, 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:07.800 so I anticipated what you're talking about then being I 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:09.400 think it would be a top three or four offense 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:11.680 next year based on that, and I agree, I don't 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:13.640 think they want to let Juan Taylor out the door. 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:17.400 I think there will be a point, you know, as 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:19.960 with any number, that it might get too big for him. 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.240 I don't think you can necessarily say we can't about 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.479 the door at any price. And that's a matter of 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:27.440 how Drew wants to come in, and if Drew really 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:29.360 wants to get into free agency, it's gonna be tough. Yeah, 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:31.239 it will be tough, and particularly you know, some teams 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:34.560 look at it, there's a desperation for offensive lineman, which 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:36.000 might drive up this price. I mean, I did the 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.200 top one hundred ranking of the lineman and I think 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.400 he was seventh. Amount of the players, I think I 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:43.760 am seventh. That's how much I feel about all players. Yeah, okay, 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:45.600 that's how much I feel about his growth this year. 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:47.880 I mean, he was that good. I'd find a way 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.000 to keep them, because if you don't keep them, then 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:52.440 what are your options. You're looking for another one, or 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:55.320 you're moving one of those guys to right tackle Walker 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:57.320 little proof he couldn't play right tackle. At least it 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:00.120 didn't look like he could. So I think that's a problem. 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:03.159 So keep this offense. This is an offensive team. Don't 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:05.720 weaken it. And if you weak, if you go in, 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:07.920 let's just say you keep all those guys. Yeah, you 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.440 got three tackles. Guys go down in this league too, 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:13.440 We've seen that before. And if you don't, one of 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:16.120 them maybe can play left guard, and you know, probably 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:18.320 would be waker. Little would play left Guardaniel of a sudden, 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:22.480 you have a giant offensive line, big offensive line around 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:24.680 that quarterback. So that's what I would do. And and 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:27.000 I think they're smart. They realize what they're gonna do. 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:29.280 And I think they'd love to keep them and keep 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:31.800 it intact and build it around Trevor Lawrence. But we'll 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:33.840 see it's hard to do when you have cap problems. Yeah, 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:35.760 I think a little would play guard in that scenario. 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:38.960 And yeah, to your thought, I'm of the belief. I 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.880 think you Jawarys feel this way now too. You don't 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.600 have two starting tackles anymore, you have three. You have 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:47.400 to consider your swing tackle a starter because look at 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:49.520 the look at last season. If they only have two 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.440 guys that can play tackle. Last year they don't make 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:55.480 the playoffs. The question becomes, is walk a little a 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.800 better left tackle than Cam Robbins in this They like 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:00.520 the way you play down the step. That's what I mean. 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.000 There's some big moments in big games. I mean, is 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:06.520 he a better left tackle? And if he is, then 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:09.600 can Cam play left guard? Because you know there's always 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.080 that possibility. I just don't think you take offensive line. 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.040 Wouldn't it be tough to play Cam and left guard? 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:18.080 With that? I mean that, yeah, But if you're paying 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.400 him anyways's playing where you're gonna feel the best. You 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.280 got the five best out there and whatever way they 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:24.679 align up. That's that's what I would do. And look, 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:29.080 one thing I will say, and we all, I'm guilty 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:32.439 as anybody because you know JP, we lit up Trent Balky, 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.080 Let's be honest. Yeah we did. And I asked him. 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:36.320 He was on with us the other day and I 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:38.160 asked him, is any part of you? And I admitted 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:39.640 I was one of those guys I lit him up. 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:44.520 Is he vindicated? And he wouldn't go there a little bit? 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:48.160 He wouldn't. He didn't, He wouldn't go there. Has is 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.880 he a little bit vindicated. You're saying, right, somewhere inside 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:55.320 he has to feel it. He's not. I can admit 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.760 when when I he did some really good thing. Now, 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.720 having said that, the defense still looking good. The defense 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:03.280 still needs a lot of work, and they spent a 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:06.199 lot of money on that defense, so it's not all fixed. 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:09.000 But the money they spent was what I would think 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:10.520 of as half to Spain. They had to get better 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:13.840 somewhere as well as you could in freecy. It wasn't 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:18.079 a report card on free agency for this franchise. Is 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:21.280 you know, I've covered the league forever. How many free 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.200 agent classes have you seen come in? And by the 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.280 end of the first season there's three of them. You 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:28.960 can't wait to get out the door. You had Christian Kirk, 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:37.440 Evan Ingram, Zay Jones, Darius Williams arden Key. That's one 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.840 of the best, most productive free agent classes. I haven't 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.960 looked at the entire league's history, but there aren't many 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.840 free agent classes in NFL history who have done that. 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:50.080 With that level of consistency, It's hard to get productive 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.800 free agency who fit together. Now, I think Doug gets 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:54.920 some credit for that in creating a locker room where 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.400 aybody could come in. But you're talking about core guys. 0:09:57.800 --> 0:09:59.360 Christian Kirk is all of a sudden a core guy 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.240 on this team. Evan feels that way. Brandon sure, if 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:04.559 we haven't even talked about he was hurt last year, 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:07.400 bad but still a big part of what they were. 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.920 That was a phenomenal free agent class. And if you're 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.400 going to criticize gms for their mistakes, you have to 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:15.560 give him credit for that, which is why he deserves, 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:17.960 you know, accolades for it. And I even asked him, 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.360 I said the clown emoji, I go, you were well 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:24.200 where of it? And he was, he knew all about it. 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:26.840 I mean he was. Look, these guys aren't immune to 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:30.079 the criticism, and so when they do have success, you're 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.720 right a little bit, they should, you know, prop up 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:35.120 their feathers. And Bragg I would never say it publicly 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:38.360 been driving him absolutely, I would hope for his say absolutely, 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:41.760 he smiles a little bit. Absolutely. How they fix the defense, 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:44.880 I don't think. I don't think you can fix the defense. 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:48.440 So I think, and we've talked about this, go get 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:52.600 the offense explosive and they did. Did Kansas City fix 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:55.360 their defense last year? No, they had a bunch of 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.760 kids playing and they played okay, and they were okay 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:02.239 on defense. That's just what they need to be because oay, exactly, 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:04.720 you don't need to be great on defense. You need 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.840 to be just okay. Last year at times they were 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.120 not just okay. And they still need to rush the 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:13.280 passer better, I think. And again, this is something I 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.000 asked Dug about, and I think they're gonna do more 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:16.920 of it. They won't commit it to it fully, but 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:19.400 this is what they need to play. Trayvon Walker down, 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:24.440 I think he could become Eric Armstead from the forty 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:28.400 nine ers, the far As Buckner um Klais Campbell. That's 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.480 the kind of ability he has. And I know everybody says, well, 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.480 they drafted the first overall to become a pass rusher. 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:38.120 If he's a really good player getting ten eleven sacks 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:41.480 from the inside, is that taint to pick at all? No, 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:44.080 absolutely not. And I don't know if he's ever going 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:46.240 to be a great pass rusher. And that's the problem. 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.000 Think about that, you have two top ten picks rushing 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.920 the passer and you still weren't good rushing the passer. 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:55.439 That's a concern. He we talked about it yesterday. I 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:00.280 tend to agree with you on Trayvon, and my thought 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:03.160 is if you had picked Klais Campbell number one overall, 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:05.800 and you were sitting here right now, you would look 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:08.800 at that as a as a really good pick that year. 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.160 So that's okay. I want to clarify something that you 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.640 said because I think it's what you're saying, you can't 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:17.400 really fix it. And I agree with you because if 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:22.240 what you're looking for is high impact pass rush, I 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:25.160 don't know that at twenty four you're gonna find that. 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:27.480 And it's really hard to find a free agency and 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:28.920 I don't know that as a team they're in a 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:32.800 position to go all chips in on a risky free 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.679 agent pass rusher. So I have a feeling that next year, 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:37.480 ten games into the season, fans may be going, well, 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:39.280 they didn't look at the pass rush last off season. 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:41.760 You have to remember what's available to you as a franchise, 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:45.240 how you build. That's why I agree with you. Okay, Well, 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:51.240 you say there may not be the Joey Boasta fix 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:54.680 at pass rusher, so you go get stronger somewhere else 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:56.480 and make up for what might not be as strong 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.840 as you want that. And again, if you keep Juwantel 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:01.800 and you keep Evan Ingram and you look at the offense, 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:03.480 you might draft the back in the fifth round to 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:05.960 help the offense. Might get another tight end at some 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.640 point in the draft, and who knows, maybe there's a 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:10.000 tight end in the first round you really like. You 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:11.319 add him to the mix, and all of a sudden, 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.160 you're really a dynamic offense. But if you don't use 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.240 that first pick on a tight end, then you go 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.200 into you look at your defense. You gotta have to 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.640 get a corner and you have to get a pass rusher. 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:24.959 Those are two things you have to get and at 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.280 some point in this draft or some point in free agency, 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:29.959 because they don't have the corners. Look, Herndon's a nice 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.240 little play plays hard everything. But when you see him 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:34.800 as the nickel corner, he gets exposed. He runs across 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:36.680 the field. He can't run with guys. That's a problem. 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:40.080 Darius Williams, we talked about it all year. Move him outside. 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:41.600 He moved outside. He was better. But is he an 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.880 elite corner. No. Tyson Campbell's a good player, and they 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.480 need somebody else. They need a and this is a 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:50.400 by the way, this is a great corner draft. There's 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:54.360 a guy. Yeah, you could probably get two and two 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:56.560 guys that can come in and compete. So I don't 0:13:56.559 --> 0:14:00.600 think it's entirely fixable on defense, but it can get better. 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:02.880 And that's all if you have the offense that I 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:04.720 think they're gonna have, that's all it needs to do 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:07.960 is get better. Particularly, let's not forget guys. They play 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:11.120 six games against the South, which is not a good division. 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.800 They played four more against the NFC South. We look 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:19.560 at it already. He's locking. I haven't yet, but Selly 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:22.680 locked it until the last show. Did we both locked 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:25.840 a division? Next? God? Oh yeah, But of course he's 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:30.280 at least you know, yeah he wins. That could be 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:33.240 that should be nine right there. Yeah, when lose one 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:36.800 of them, because you're guaranteeing nine to win against those teams. 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.000 Those teams are those teams in the South are ter. 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.840 Look at the quarterbacks you're gonna be playing. Look at 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.320 all the seven teams and all they are toughing in 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:47.720 all seven teams. Right now, who are the quarterbacks you're playing? 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:54.720 Tanny Hill? Maybe yeah, yeah, there's three young rookie quarterback 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:56.080 And then you don't know what's going on. Colts will 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.280 probably have a rookie quarterback too, And then in the 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.760 in the NFC South, you have no I think he's 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:05.960 coming back, Trash Trask or whoever they go gat. Carolina 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:09.160 has no idea that might bring Darnold back. Atlanta has Ritter, 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.360 who's in this second year, barely played last year. And 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:14.440 then so it's a great schedule next year. And plus 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:16.480 I'm not going to say that just to say it's 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:18.400 a one year one. This team is here for the 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:21.360 next decade because of that quarterback period. End of story. 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.400 Anything else you do is all about him. It's just 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.520 like the Chiefs. They let Tyreek hil go, They use 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:28.640 the draft picks, they supplement the defense, they bring in 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:30.880 some one year hits on the quarterback got him there 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:33.800 again and he wanted again. That's what Trevor Lawrence does 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:35.920 for this team. He has to be. Yes, you have 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:38.160 to never win. It's what they have to eventually be. Pete, 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.680 appreciate it. I'll get you a cold one tonight. Absolutely, 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:44.040 you got it. Pete Prisco, CBS Sports senior writer with 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.280 us on Jaguar's Happy Hour in the twenty twenty three 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:50.120 season is on the horizon. 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Good to see you and 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:24.639 thanks for the time. Many glad I got chance a moment. 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:27.080 What number combined? Is this for you? This is fourteen 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.280 assistant for four years and I've been the head guy 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:35.080 for ten years. Really like thirty years old, young guy, Sorry, 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:40.040 you're sixteen. It's amazing, all right, So everybody says that, Yeah, 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.880 ask almost everybody. The most important part of the combine 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:46.359 experience for these players is the medical evaluation, and certainly 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:49.320 for the teams that want to get exposed to these 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.760 players and see what's really going on. That's where you 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:55.880 and your staff come in. So take us through the process. 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:59.119 Is there a room? Are there multiple rooms? Do the 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:02.240 players rules? Rude? Do you get to just cherry pick guys? 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:04.640 I mean, how does that work for the physician? Yeah? 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:06.119 I mean I'm sure you know this. The way this 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:10.000 whole NFL Combine really started was medical, right, doctors are saying, hey, 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:11.920 we're bringing guys in. We don't know anything about them, 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:13.240 you know, and so can you tell us what their 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.080 medical risk is? And that's how this whole thing started, 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:16.560 and then the running, the jumping, all that kind of 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:19.960 followed suit. So the way it works is there are 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:23.360 rooms of physicians. It's our room has been the same 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:25.520 at least ever since I've been around. It's the same 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.280 group of guys. So it's us, the Titans, the Jets, 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:31.720 the Chargers, and the Bengals. So you're very familiar with 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:34.480 the guys that are in your room. And every single 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:37.600 player that's here, you know, the combine comes to that room, 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:40.520 and so they'll bring them in one by one. There's 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:43.200 a kind of a pre combined screen where they talk 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:46.359 to the players, getting an idea of their medical history, 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:48.520 and so they gather information from the time they were 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:51.280 in high school playing football through I mean even before that. 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:53.240 Guys have had injuries when they were five and six 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:55.960 years old that are on their injury at every piece 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:58.560 of information you can gather is there. So a lot 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:01.359 of scans, X rays and i CT scans are done 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:03.560 before you can get here. So they bring a player 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:06.160 in one by one, they'll be a presentation. The player 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:09.399 will be there on the exam table and they'll present 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:11.439 the player to us and say, this is what you know, 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:13.560 who the player is, these are the injuries he's had. 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:16.159 And then they'll go through the examination and say, you 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:19.040 know that in his shoulders stable, his knees got a 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:21.600 little swelling to it, his incisions are healed, et cetera, 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.000 et cetera, and then we're free to get up and 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:26.720 feel and get a you know, look, there's certain guys 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:28.680 that we're looking at specifically, but you want to have 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:30.920 an overall look because you know how it is through 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:33.200 the year, they're always working the back into that roster. 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:35.160 So they may not the Jaguars may not be interested 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:37.800