1 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: It is Thursday, March second. This is Jaguars Happy Hour 2 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 1: and now newly registered mayoral candidate running under the Pity Party, 3 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: Jay Peace Shadrick. Welcome in. It's Jaguars Happy Hour from 4 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: the Indiana Convention Center in Indianapolis. The NFL Scouting Combine. 5 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: The testing getting underway today, Media time starting to wrap 6 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: up on Radio Row. We've got a busy show ahead 7 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: for the next hour here at the combine. CBS Sports 8 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: Senior writer Pete Frisco coming up. We'll hear from head 9 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: team position Kevin Kaplan. Yes, get his thoughts on you 10 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 1: know what happens here in Indianapolis with the team doctors 11 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: and Sirius XMNFL host Kirk Morrison joining us at about 12 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: four thirty or so today J P. Shadrick with senior 13 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: writer On Osier and more senior writer Pete Briscoe of 14 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: CBS Sports. So, in other words, we have a future 15 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: mayor and a former mayor of Jacksonville Saints still the mayor. 16 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: By the way, you don't look like Basselli. That music 17 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: reminded me of Joe's introduction. Is that Monday night a 18 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: game you don't look Likesselli? Better shape and you know 19 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: more than he does incredible. Here we are Pete Combine time, 20 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: the big flagpole event of the off season, one of them. 21 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: But this turned into a massive gathering and twelve hundred 22 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: credentialed media for this thing. And it's really two different events. 23 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it's the coaching GM part to set the 24 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: tone for the off season for a lot of organizations. 25 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: And then the testing started today. I mean in this 26 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: place is starting to clear out because they're not worried 27 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: about that part. Well, and you know, you know me, John, 28 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: I've never been a big testing guy. You put the 29 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: tape on, you watch the tape, you find out if 30 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: a guy can play football. The interviews are good, the 31 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: medicals good, all that is important, but the actual workout. 32 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: We've come here for years and seen guys come here 33 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: and they work out, Oh he's great, and then he 34 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: get drafted and they don't play that well. And so 35 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: I think you got to really evaluate him based on 36 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: the tape. This thing is enormous, by the way, I 37 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,839 Speaker 1: think if you have a Draft Buddy leaflet, you're gonna 38 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: get a credential to this thing. NFL Draft siteeck dot net. 39 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, and look, it's great for the game. It's 40 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: great for the kids who were doing it. But I 41 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: wish I had had an opportunity when I was a 42 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: young kid to be able to do something like that. 43 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: But it used to be in the thinking over there, 44 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: in that hotel room over there, That's where it was. 45 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: I want to hear your best twenty year old Combine story. 46 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: I'll tell you mine real quick. First Combine, you were 47 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: with CBS already. I had just taken over for you 48 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: at the Times Union. My only interview with Tom Coffin, 49 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: I'm the main Jaguars beat rider, my only interview with 50 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: Tom Coffin all week. I chased him down as he 51 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: was going into the Catholic church over here across the 52 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: street at six third or ten minutes for mass. Talked 53 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: to him for ten minutes formass. He gave me grief 54 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: because he said, you're putting our salary cap information into 55 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: paper rosure. But that was where you got the coach. 56 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: There was no podium, no, there was no car wash, 57 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: there was no set stage, and I was worried all 58 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: we going gonna get Tom. And I finally got him 59 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: on the steps of the Catholic church at five fifty 60 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: on a Saturday, and I know you were here a 61 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: couple of years before that, and I were here when 62 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: there was nothing and they were trying to throw you out. Basically, Yeah, 63 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: well you had to interview guys in the lobby of 64 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: the Crown Plaza right there, That's what it was. And 65 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: they'd bring it. If you'd asked for a player, they'd 66 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: bring him down. There'd be like four or five guys 67 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,399 Speaker 1: would talk to him. Sometimes you were the only guy 68 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: talking to him. It was just so much different. My 69 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: story is that first year I came was the year before, Yeah, 70 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: the year they were drafted, that first draft pick, and 71 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: I remember chasing Steve McNair down the road trying to 72 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: get them because remember there was some talk that they 73 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: might end up taking Steve McNair. There was that one, 74 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: then there was I remember one of those early years, 75 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: it might have been year two, two agents actually got 76 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: in the fist fight in the lobby of them because 77 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: he was accusing his stealing is. Yeah, I thought you 78 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: were going to tell a different story about the first 79 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: time you came to the coll And then I think 80 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: it was ninety six when you called me and there 81 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: was a mob around Keishan and they remembered the story right, 82 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: And Jags had the number one pick. I mean I 83 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: had the number two pick and the Jets had the 84 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: number one, and Keshan went one and you asked him 85 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: about playing for Coffin, he went coach Coffee Cool. Yeah, yeah, 86 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: but he wasn't gonna play for him though, yeah now 87 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: and then and then it worked out great because the 88 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer waste, so it worked out for them. 89 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: That's Pete Prisco, John Ozer, J P. Shatick is Jaguars 90 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: Happy Hour from the NFL Scouting Combine. You know, a 91 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: lot of positive reaction about the Jaguars run Pete here 92 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis this week, right Lea so trimp Balky on 93 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: the podium on Tuesday and Doug Peterson making the rounds 94 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: and you know what, got a quarterback. A lot of 95 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: things going well, a lot of moves the last week 96 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: or so to move some money around, and then the 97 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: news today that they're expected to tag to have an Ingram, 98 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: so m you know, well, Evan Ingram wasn't going anywhere 99 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: no matter what they were trying. There's they probably still 100 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: are trying to get a deal done with him. If 101 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: they can't get the deal right, if they don't get 102 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: the deal done with him. But if they don't get 103 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: the deal done with him before they even put because 104 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: they haven't officially put the tag on them yet, there's 105 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: they're going to do it one way the other. He 106 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: will be in Jacksonville next year no matter what. But 107 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: if they get him tagged, um, then maybe what do 108 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: you do with with You know, Juan Taylor personally, and 109 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: I said that to them. I would not let Juan 110 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: Taylor out the door. He's too valuable. This is an 111 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: offensive team. You have a franchise quarterback. Make sure the 112 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: offense is every bit as good as it can be. 113 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: And by keeping Juwan Taylor there, I think, and Evan 114 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: Ingram there, and you add Ridley to the equation. And 115 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: by the way, I hear nothing but good things about 116 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: his ability to work out. He's supposedly flying around in 117 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: his workouts. Then all of a sudden, your offense is 118 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: pretty much set. You need a big banger back, but 119 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: aside from that, you're pretty much set there. Well, they 120 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: were tenth in the league in offense last year and 121 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: really spent the first seven or eight games trying to 122 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: figure out where they were, and then they got you know, 123 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: so I anticipated what you're talking about then being I 124 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: think it would be a top three or four offense 125 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: next year based on that, and I agree, I don't 126 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: think they want to let Juan Taylor out the door. 127 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: I think there will be a point, you know, as 128 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: with any number, that it might get too big for him. 129 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: I don't think you can necessarily say we can't about 130 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: the door at any price. And that's a matter of 131 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: how Drew wants to come in, and if Drew really 132 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: wants to get into free agency, it's gonna be tough. Yeah, 133 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,239 Speaker 1: it will be tough, and particularly you know, some teams 134 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: look at it, there's a desperation for offensive lineman, which 135 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: might drive up this price. I mean, I did the 136 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: top one hundred ranking of the lineman and I think 137 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: he was seventh. Amount of the players, I think I 138 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: am seventh. That's how much I feel about all players. Yeah, okay, 139 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: that's how much I feel about his growth this year. 140 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: I mean, he was that good. I'd find a way 141 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: to keep them, because if you don't keep them, then 142 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: what are your options. You're looking for another one, or 143 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: you're moving one of those guys to right tackle Walker 144 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: little proof he couldn't play right tackle. At least it 145 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: didn't look like he could. So I think that's a problem. 146 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: So keep this offense. This is an offensive team. Don't 147 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: weaken it. And if you weak, if you go in, 148 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: let's just say you keep all those guys. Yeah, you 149 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: got three tackles. Guys go down in this league too, 150 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: We've seen that before. And if you don't, one of 151 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: them maybe can play left guard, and you know, probably 152 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: would be waker. Little would play left Guardaniel of a sudden, 153 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: you have a giant offensive line, big offensive line around 154 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: that quarterback. So that's what I would do. And and 155 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: I think they're smart. They realize what they're gonna do. 156 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: And I think they'd love to keep them and keep 157 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: it intact and build it around Trevor Lawrence. But we'll 158 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: see it's hard to do when you have cap problems. Yeah, 159 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: I think a little would play guard in that scenario. 160 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: And yeah, to your thought, I'm of the belief. I 161 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: think you Jawarys feel this way now too. You don't 162 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: have two starting tackles anymore, you have three. You have 163 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: to consider your swing tackle a starter because look at 164 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: the look at last season. If they only have two 165 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: guys that can play tackle. Last year they don't make 166 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: the playoffs. The question becomes, is walk a little a 167 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: better left tackle than Cam Robbins in this They like 168 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: the way you play down the step. That's what I mean. 169 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: There's some big moments in big games. I mean, is 170 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: he a better left tackle? And if he is, then 171 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: can Cam play left guard? Because you know there's always 172 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: that possibility. I just don't think you take offensive line. 173 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be tough to play Cam and left guard? 174 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: With that? I mean that, yeah, But if you're paying 175 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: him anyways's playing where you're gonna feel the best. You 176 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: got the five best out there and whatever way they 177 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,679 Speaker 1: align up. That's that's what I would do. And look, 178 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: one thing I will say, and we all, I'm guilty 179 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: as anybody because you know JP, we lit up Trent Balky, 180 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: Let's be honest. Yeah we did. And I asked him. 181 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: He was on with us the other day and I 182 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: asked him, is any part of you? And I admitted 183 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: I was one of those guys I lit him up. 184 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: Is he vindicated? And he wouldn't go there a little bit? 185 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: He wouldn't. He didn't, He wouldn't go there. Has is 186 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: he a little bit vindicated. You're saying, right, somewhere inside 187 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: he has to feel it. He's not. I can admit 188 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: when when I he did some really good thing. Now, 189 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: having said that, the defense still looking good. The defense 190 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: still needs a lot of work, and they spent a 191 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: lot of money on that defense, so it's not all fixed. 192 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: But the money they spent was what I would think 193 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: of as half to Spain. They had to get better 194 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: somewhere as well as you could in freecy. It wasn't 195 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: a report card on free agency for this franchise. Is 196 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: you know, I've covered the league forever. How many free 197 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: agent classes have you seen come in? And by the 198 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: end of the first season there's three of them. You 199 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: can't wait to get out the door. You had Christian Kirk, 200 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: Evan Ingram, Zay Jones, Darius Williams arden Key. That's one 201 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: of the best, most productive free agent classes. I haven't 202 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: looked at the entire league's history, but there aren't many 203 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: free agent classes in NFL history who have done that. 204 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: With that level of consistency, It's hard to get productive 205 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: free agency who fit together. Now, I think Doug gets 206 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: some credit for that in creating a locker room where 207 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: aybody could come in. But you're talking about core guys. 208 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: Christian Kirk is all of a sudden a core guy 209 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: on this team. Evan feels that way. Brandon sure, if 210 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 1: we haven't even talked about he was hurt last year, 211 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: bad but still a big part of what they were. 212 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: That was a phenomenal free agent class. And if you're 213 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: going to criticize gms for their mistakes, you have to 214 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: give him credit for that, which is why he deserves, 215 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: you know, accolades for it. And I even asked him, 216 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: I said the clown emoji, I go, you were well 217 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: where of it? And he was, he knew all about it. 218 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: I mean he was. Look, these guys aren't immune to 219 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 1: the criticism, and so when they do have success, you're 220 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: right a little bit, they should, you know, prop up 221 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: their feathers. And Bragg I would never say it publicly 222 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: been driving him absolutely, I would hope for his say absolutely, 223 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: he smiles a little bit. Absolutely. How they fix the defense, 224 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think you can fix the defense. 225 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: So I think, and we've talked about this, go get 226 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: the offense explosive and they did. Did Kansas City fix 227 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: their defense last year? No, they had a bunch of 228 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: kids playing and they played okay, and they were okay 229 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:02,239 Speaker 1: on defense. That's just what they need to be because oay, exactly, 230 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: you don't need to be great on defense. You need 231 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: to be just okay. Last year at times they were 232 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: not just okay. And they still need to rush the 233 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: passer better, I think. And again, this is something I 234 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: asked Dug about, and I think they're gonna do more 235 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: of it. They won't commit it to it fully, but 236 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: this is what they need to play. Trayvon Walker down, 237 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: I think he could become Eric Armstead from the forty 238 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: nine ers, the far As Buckner um Klais Campbell. That's 239 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: the kind of ability he has. And I know everybody says, well, 240 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: they drafted the first overall to become a pass rusher. 241 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: If he's a really good player getting ten eleven sacks 242 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: from the inside, is that taint to pick at all? No, 243 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: absolutely not. And I don't know if he's ever going 244 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: to be a great pass rusher. And that's the problem. 245 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: Think about that, you have two top ten picks rushing 246 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: the passer and you still weren't good rushing the passer. 247 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 1: That's a concern. He we talked about it yesterday. I 248 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: tend to agree with you on Trayvon, and my thought 249 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: is if you had picked Klais Campbell number one overall, 250 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: and you were sitting here right now, you would look 251 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: at that as a as a really good pick that year. 252 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: So that's okay. I want to clarify something that you 253 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: said because I think it's what you're saying, you can't 254 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: really fix it. And I agree with you because if 255 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: what you're looking for is high impact pass rush, I 256 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: don't know that at twenty four you're gonna find that. 257 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: And it's really hard to find a free agency and 258 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: I don't know that as a team they're in a 259 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: position to go all chips in on a risky free 260 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: agent pass rusher. So I have a feeling that next year, 261 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: ten games into the season, fans may be going, well, 262 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: they didn't look at the pass rush last off season. 263 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: You have to remember what's available to you as a franchise, 264 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: how you build. That's why I agree with you. Okay, Well, 265 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: you say there may not be the Joey Boasta fix 266 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: at pass rusher, so you go get stronger somewhere else 267 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: and make up for what might not be as strong 268 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: as you want that. And again, if you keep Juwantel 269 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: and you keep Evan Ingram and you look at the offense, 270 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: you might draft the back in the fifth round to 271 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: help the offense. Might get another tight end at some 272 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: point in the draft, and who knows, maybe there's a 273 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: tight end in the first round you really like. You 274 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 1: add him to the mix, and all of a sudden, 275 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: you're really a dynamic offense. But if you don't use 276 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: that first pick on a tight end, then you go 277 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: into you look at your defense. You gotta have to 278 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: get a corner and you have to get a pass rusher. 279 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: Those are two things you have to get and at 280 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: some point in this draft or some point in free agency, 281 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: because they don't have the corners. Look, Herndon's a nice 282 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: little play plays hard everything. But when you see him 283 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: as the nickel corner, he gets exposed. He runs across 284 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: the field. He can't run with guys. That's a problem. 285 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: Darius Williams, we talked about it all year. Move him outside. 286 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: He moved outside. He was better. But is he an 287 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: elite corner. No. Tyson Campbell's a good player, and they 288 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: need somebody else. They need a and this is a 289 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: by the way, this is a great corner draft. There's 290 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: a guy. Yeah, you could probably get two and two 291 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: guys that can come in and compete. So I don't 292 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: think it's entirely fixable on defense, but it can get better. 293 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: And that's all if you have the offense that I 294 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: think they're gonna have, that's all it needs to do 295 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: is get better. Particularly, let's not forget guys. They play 296 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: six games against the South, which is not a good division. 297 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: They played four more against the NFC South. We look 298 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: at it already. He's locking. I haven't yet, but Selly 299 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: locked it until the last show. Did we both locked 300 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: a division? Next? God? Oh yeah, But of course he's 301 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: at least you know, yeah he wins. That could be 302 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: that should be nine right there. Yeah, when lose one 303 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: of them, because you're guaranteeing nine to win against those teams. 304 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: Those teams are those teams in the South are ter. 305 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: Look at the quarterbacks you're gonna be playing. Look at 306 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: all the seven teams and all they are toughing in 307 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: all seven teams. Right now, who are the quarterbacks you're playing? 308 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: Tanny Hill? Maybe yeah, yeah, there's three young rookie quarterback 309 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: And then you don't know what's going on. Colts will 310 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: probably have a rookie quarterback too, And then in the 311 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: in the NFC South, you have no I think he's 312 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: coming back, Trash Trask or whoever they go gat. Carolina 313 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: has no idea that might bring Darnold back. Atlanta has Ritter, 314 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: who's in this second year, barely played last year. And 315 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: then so it's a great schedule next year. And plus 316 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: I'm not going to say that just to say it's 317 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: a one year one. This team is here for the 318 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: next decade because of that quarterback period. End of story. 319 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: Anything else you do is all about him. It's just 320 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: like the Chiefs. They let Tyreek hil go, They use 321 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: the draft picks, they supplement the defense, they bring in 322 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: some one year hits on the quarterback got him there 323 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: again and he wanted again. That's what Trevor Lawrence does 324 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: for this team. He has to be. Yes, you have 325 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: to never win. It's what they have to eventually be. Pete, 326 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: appreciate it. I'll get you a cold one tonight. Absolutely, 327 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: you got it. Pete Prisco, CBS Sports senior writer with 328 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: us on Jaguar's Happy Hour in the twenty twenty three 329 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: season is on the horizon. 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Coming up shortly. 348 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: Kirk Morrison, former Jaguars linebacker now Sirius XM NFL radio host, 349 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: now joining us. It's the Jaguars head team position doctor 350 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: Kevin Kaplan from Jacksonville Orthopedic Institute and Camp. Here we 351 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: are at the combine again. Good to see you and 352 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: thanks for the time. Many glad I got chance a moment. 353 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: What number combined? Is this for you? This is fourteen 354 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: assistant for four years and I've been the head guy 355 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: for ten years. Really like thirty years old, young guy, Sorry, 356 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: you're sixteen. It's amazing, all right, So everybody says that, Yeah, 357 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: ask almost everybody. The most important part of the combine 358 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: experience for these players is the medical evaluation, and certainly 359 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: for the teams that want to get exposed to these 360 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: players and see what's really going on. That's where you 361 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: and your staff come in. So take us through the process. 362 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: Is there a room? Are there multiple rooms? Do the 363 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: players rules? Rude? Do you get to just cherry pick guys? 364 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: I mean, how does that work for the physician? Yeah? 365 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: I mean I'm sure you know this. The way this 366 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: whole NFL Combine really started was medical, right, doctors are saying, hey, 367 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: we're bringing guys in. We don't know anything about them, 368 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: you know, and so can you tell us what their 369 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: medical risk is? And that's how this whole thing started, 370 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: and then the running, the jumping, all that kind of 371 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: followed suit. So the way it works is there are 372 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 1: rooms of physicians. It's our room has been the same 373 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: at least ever since I've been around. It's the same 374 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: group of guys. So it's us, the Titans, the Jets, 375 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: the Chargers, and the Bengals. So you're very familiar with 376 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: the guys that are in your room. And every single 377 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: player that's here, you know, the combine comes to that room, 378 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: and so they'll bring them in one by one. There's 379 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: a kind of a pre combined screen where they talk 380 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: to the players, getting an idea of their medical history, 381 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: and so they gather information from the time they were 382 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: in high school playing football through I mean even before that. 383 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: Guys have had injuries when they were five and six 384 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: years old that are on their injury at every piece 385 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: of information you can gather is there. So a lot 386 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: of scans, X rays and i CT scans are done 387 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: before you can get here. So they bring a player 388 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: in one by one, they'll be a presentation. The player 389 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: will be there on the exam table and they'll present 390 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: the player to us and say, this is what you know, 391 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: who the player is, these are the injuries he's had. 392 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: And then they'll go through the examination and say, you 393 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: know that in his shoulders stable, his knees got a 394 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: little swelling to it, his incisions are healed, et cetera, 395 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: et cetera, and then we're free to get up and 396 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: feel and get a you know, look, there's certain guys 397 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: that we're looking at specifically, but you want to have 398 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: an overall look because you know how it is through 399 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: the year, they're always working the back into that roster. 400 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: So they may not the Jaguars may not be interested 401 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: in a player today, but that guy may come to 402 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: you as a free agent, you know, three months from now. 403 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: So you get a good idea of that player. So 404 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: you take notes on everybody, or at least I do, 405 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: and then you know, when it comes time to grading 406 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: the player, have a grading scale because I want to 407 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: be able to easily relay the information to Trent and 408 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: to Dug and to Firg and say this guy is 409 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: this level of risk, you know, and there's it's a 410 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: Every team has a different scale. Vers there's one to five, 411 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: you know, the ones where the healthiest guys typically are 412 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: the punters and kickers that come in. It's just the 413 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 1: way it works, and fives is a fail and it's 414 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: very rare to fail someone orthopedically. Those are typically the medical, 415 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 1: the heart stuff. So then I go back home, make 416 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: sure I've reviewed all the MRIs, and then we have 417 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: a medical meeting where we go through every guy that 418 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: they're interested on their board as is there a medical 419 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: risk there? What is the medical risk if you It's 420 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: maybe tricky to answer, so I try to phrase it 421 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: the right way. If you didn't have the combine and 422 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: you were just kind of going off of the records 423 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: that you see, if your comfort level is at ten 424 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: with this process, where would it be without this? I 425 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: would be almost zero? Okay, I got you. So you 426 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: have to get your hand on guys, and I guessed 427 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 1: as a follow up to that, can you imagine it 428 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: without a combine if you were trying to get guy? 429 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: It's impossible, right, It's essential for this reason you have to, 430 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: I mean it, otherwise you're going on just assuming what 431 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: the risk is. There's so many things you pick up 432 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: on MRIs, whether it's pieces of cartilage missing or little 433 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: meniscus terrors, or we even pick up guys every year. 434 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: I mean, we have them this year, but they don't 435 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: have acls. You know, they didn't know they didn't have 436 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: an ACL. That's a you know, some people cope with that, 437 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,719 Speaker 1: you know, their knees loose, and they may cope with it, 438 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: but then they need an a CL obviously to play 439 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: the game. So you know, without this, we wouldn't have 440 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: any that information. Yeah, where they've never had them, or 441 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: it's been torns in time and they didn't note that. 442 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: The guys in the past had an injury and maybe 443 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: they wore a brace or strapped it up or you know, 444 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: but tape on it or you know, taped it and 445 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 1: gave themself some sort of stability, you know, but there 446 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: are subset of people that can cope without an ACL, 447 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: but you don't wonder how they kind of got by 448 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: doing that. Maybe that's why it wasn't very good at bat. 449 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: Maybe I didn't have al al, maybe I was missing something. 450 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: That's what it does. Doctor Kevin Kaplan with us from 451 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: Jacksonville Orthopedic Institute here at the NFL Scouting Combine. So 452 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: all right, so the time frame of this all happening 453 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: is it over multiple days? How many days do you 454 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: have left? Today is Thursday, So what's the rest of 455 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 1: your schedule? So it's four days or Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. 456 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: And they break it up. You know, we did the 457 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: defensive linemen, linebackers first day. Today we did special teams 458 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: and the defensive backs. So we still got the quarterbacks. 459 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: We have the wide receivers, running backs. So they try 460 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: to break it up for us over for a day. 461 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: Say it's a lot of guys coming through, and we're 462 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: talking with three hundred plus guys coming through. You know, 463 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: most guys get at least one or two MRIs or 464 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: X rays, and so you're just I mean, next week, 465 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in the mornings. That's all I'm gonna 466 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: be doing is looking at these MRIs and finishing up 467 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: the evaluations. So I'm ready for the draft. Have you ever? 468 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: I mean, it's got to break your heart fail guys 469 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: when you do that. I mean it can you know? 470 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: Or or when you see a guy with an injury, 471 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: where you thinking, hey, guys, probably gonna be shortly I mean, 472 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: I guess emotionally, as a doctor, you got to do 473 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: your job, but your heart has to go out to 474 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: somebody who who you just know physically is gonna have 475 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: trouble holding up. Yeah, And the guys that come in 476 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: and do the presentations that they do a good job 477 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: of getting us the information. But I always look at 478 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: the player when when someone's getting a report like his 479 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: knee is severely arthritic and it's bone on bone, You know, 480 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: does that player really know what that means because he 481 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: you know, does he know does he or his agent know, 482 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, what that what that does to him? So yeah, 483 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: I mean these are because this is their dreams, their 484 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: refer you know, to get into the NFL. But most 485 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: of all you're doing is present in facts. You're not 486 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: passing opinion. But it's still tough. Correct absolutely, And then 487 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: there's a level of risk. Right there may be a 488 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: guy that has a bad knee or an arthritic knee 489 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: and he's a good player and someone's gonna take take 490 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,239 Speaker 1: him as on a chance you know that he may 491 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: make it. Will you make it through that first contract 492 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: to the second contract? You know, the Jaguars this past 493 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: year use the fewest amount of players in the NFL 494 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: sixty one players touched the field. That was the fewest 495 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: in the regular season. So I mean credit to you 496 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: and your staff, Jeff Ferguson, the VP of Player Health 497 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: and Performance, the athletic training staff underneath him, collective effort, yes, 498 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: to work on the Jaguars roster, but also the Jaguars 499 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: players for having to do some things on their own 500 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: as well. It's a it's a full team effort, not 501 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: just the staff involved. That's a big piece of it. 502 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: But the players have to buy into that as well. 503 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: I mean it starts with them. They're taking care of 504 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: their bodies. They know what they need to do. And 505 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: these guys, this team is you know, you guys know, 506 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: they're just different. They want to be there, they want 507 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: to get better. And then you have Jeff, you have 508 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: Ferd that's just does a great job and making sure 509 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: the players are taking care of and are treated appropriately. 510 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: What you know, injuries are going to happen, right and 511 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: not every injury is is going to be cut and dry. 512 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: There's a there's a kind of a gray zone. Can 513 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: you play with this and what can we do to 514 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 1: get you as good as possible without putting you at risk. 515 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: And then there's a coach, right and the coach has 516 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: to do a great job and making sure that throughout 517 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 1: the season you're not practicing like you were in July, 518 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: come December and January and hopefully you know farther. And 519 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: I think Doug is very Maybe it's because he was 520 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: a player and he knows the grind. He really took 521 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: care of the players and that makes our job easier 522 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: because they're not coming in with their you know, no 523 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: legs and tired and cramping, and cramping leads to injury, 524 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 1: and so you're you hit the nail on the head. 525 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: It's a it's a group effort in terms of keeping 526 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: guys healthy on the field. Emphasize that last part for me, 527 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: if you will, because I've heard from a lot of 528 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: people over the years. Certain coaches will run their guys 529 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: and as much as they want to be a players coach, 530 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: they just are going to run their guys out there. 531 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: But the importance of the head coach understanding that these 532 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: guys have to be rested at the proper times. I've 533 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: heard from different medical people over the years that that 534 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 1: can be everything to keep in a team healthy. I 535 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: think it's the most important pact. But because the problem 536 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: is is you know, as me as a physician or 537 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 1: as athletic trainers, and we have a job and we're 538 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 1: not there to say, coach this way or run this 539 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: a certain way. So part of that I think the 540 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: coach has to know and understand, and I think Doug 541 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: just gets you know, he really does. And that's it's 542 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: It's makes our lives a lot easier, you know, hydrating 543 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: and eating right. But if you go into a game 544 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: on Sunday and then you run so hard, and you know, 545 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: come Monday and Wednesday and Thursday, then you're going to 546 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: the next week and it's just a cumulative wear on 547 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: the body. And that's a seasons A full grind, certainly 548 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: is it's well a full grind really eleven months of 549 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: the year in the NFL. It kind of continues now. 550 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: Players are all off, they'll be back the offseason programs 551 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: right around the corner, and we're here at the Combine, 552 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: the big flagpole event of the year. And we appreciate 553 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: your time. I know you're busy these days and nights 554 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: and early mornings, and we'll do it again soon. Cap 555 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate it guys. Thanks Doctor Kevin Kamplin 556 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: with us from Jacksonville Orthopedic Institute from Indianapolis. Coming up 557 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: shortly in just a moment. In fact, it's Kirk Morrison 558 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: of Sirius XM NFL Radio. Is Jaguars Happy Hour on 559 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: the Jaguars Digital Network. When Jaguars news breaks, you will 560 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: hear about it first on ten ten x OL Home 561 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: of the Checks in Bille Jaguars Welcome back if Jaguars 562 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: Happy Hour from the Indiana Convention Center in Indianapolis at 563 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: the NFL Scouting Combine. Japen, Shadrick, John Osan were on 564 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: ten ten am Jaguars dot Com. I'm Jaguars Twitter, Facebook 565 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: and YouTube, the podcast of course on the free iHeartRadio 566 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 1: apps search Jacksonville Jaguars and of course hit this up 567 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: on Twitter today at JP Shadrick at John Ozer. Our 568 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: next guest, a host on Sirius XM NFL Radio, former 569 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: NFL linebacker Kirk Morris and joining us now former Jaguars. Well, 570 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: Kirk is great to see you, man, what's up? I'm 571 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: doing great man, grab to join you guys. What a 572 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: great week this has been so far and now to 573 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: finally getting the guys out there competing on the field. 574 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: This is honestly what we came here for, right, Yeah, 575 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,719 Speaker 1: I mean well it's actually two different events at pis, right, 576 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: the coaches and gms early in the week, correct, and 577 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: then you know, if you're the Jaguars, at least covering 578 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: the Jaguars picking twenty fourth. I mean yeah, it's hard 579 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 1: to kind of pinpoint some things in that stadium. Yeah, 580 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: you're right, You're right, JP. It's it's a lot because 581 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: everyone kind of gets the state of the Union address 582 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: for each franchise, you know, general manager, head coach. They 583 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: come out and talk and you're sort of recapping last 584 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: season because now we have time for everyone to trying 585 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: to evaluate what happened and now what do we need 586 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: to look forward to, And everybody says, hey, well, this 587 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: is what you guys need to improve on. You guys 588 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: got to go get a receiver, you gotta go get 589 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: a running back, a linebacker, defensive vent and so it's 590 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: always fun to come to INDE and get the sort 591 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: of the state of the union of where the team 592 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: is at. They won't tell you who they're going to pick, 593 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: but obviously how do you feel about certain players? On 594 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: your roster as we also get ready to hit free agency. Yeah, 595 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: there's a little bit too obviously that it's the first 596 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: time most media has talked to most of these guys 597 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: since they've been in the bunker and really looked back 598 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: on what they really did. You know, they look at 599 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: tape week to week, but they started to do a 600 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: deep dive with what they need and then they come out, 601 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: Kirk and they tell you nothing. Yeah. I mean the 602 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: stories I write from here are always yeah, there's a 603 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,719 Speaker 1: pretty good lead, and then they'll say, yeah, we need 604 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: to get better at X. But then they really never 605 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: go into very much. But you don't expect that story 606 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: of the Dog and Pony Show. If he will, Kirk not. 607 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: Every player he's been with the Jaguars in the last 608 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: twenty years has great memories. But I know your two 609 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: thousand and ten seasons he spent with him. Tell me 610 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: just the best memory you have in that season. Because 611 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: there was an underrated season. I think a lot of 612 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: fans have forgotten how good that team was or almost was. 613 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: That team was the best team that I've actually played 614 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: on the National Football League. I played eight years in 615 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: the league, and that twenty ten team was was one. 616 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: I still have lifelong friendships for playing one year in Jacksonville, 617 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: and I was so upset. I wanted to play a lot, 618 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: a lot longer because not only did I even being 619 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: able to embrace the Jacksonville community, the people, the fan base. 620 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: It was so fun. And David Garrard was an exceptional quarterback. 621 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: He played outstanding that year. Uh, Josh Scobee sco Scobie Bryant, 622 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: you know, because he was just automatic that year. Yeah, 623 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: I think he kicks Homedy in a row. He was outstanding. 624 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: But Maurice Jones drew a guy who you know, we 625 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: grew up in the same area in northern California. Yeah, kid, Yeah, 626 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: And so to be able to be on a team 627 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: with him, and to think that Marcedes Lewis in the 628 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: career that he had a career still playing, He had 629 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: a career year, you know, a career year Pro Bowl 630 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: year for him in twenty ten. And the coaches, obviously 631 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: Jack del Rio, but you see some of the other 632 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: coaches and what they've been able to do that were 633 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: on that staff. Corey Unland has been an outstanding coach. 634 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: You look at some of the offensive mine, Todd Monkin 635 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: who was now the offensive coordinator in Baltimore, and he 636 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: was the receiver's coacher, and so you had all of 637 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: these I mean, head coach of Michigan State, right was 638 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: Del Tucker. That was our decourt. So I had all 639 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: of these offensive minds and people who are around us, 640 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: and I'm saying, wow, this is unbelievable. But it was 641 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: such a good season. I wish we could have finished 642 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: it off. We went eight and eight. We had an 643 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: opportunity but still paid Manning was paid Manning, and we 644 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: had a game that allowed us, if we beat you know, 645 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts in a week I believe it was 646 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: thirteen at the time, we win the division. And we 647 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: lose that matchup, and we didn't finish the job down 648 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: the stretch and so we lost. But man, you mentioned 649 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: it one of the great seasons that I know I've 650 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: had a chance to play in my career. And two 651 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: of the most unreal memories that year job that was 652 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: the Scobie year, the fifty eight yard against Andy, and 653 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: it was the Hail Mary so Mary during years yeah 654 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: against the Texans David Gerrard to Mike Thomas to hell Mary. 655 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: Um just unbelievable memory. And I remember also too, I 656 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: had one memory was that, you know, I was traded 657 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: from the Oakland Raiders at the time, and then you know, 658 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: we were down I think at halftime couple scores, and 659 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: we come back in the second half and David Garrard 660 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: throws a deep bomb and I believe it was Hagen 661 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: or so whoever it was, catches it and we went 662 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: on to route the Raiders in a game that was 663 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: so close, but it was so fun. Kirk Morrison with 664 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: a serious XMFL radio Channel eighty eight. They've got a 665 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: big set here at the Indiana Convention Center, all right, 666 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: So the Jaguars organization the last five years, let's just 667 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: start there. You can go back a little further than that. 668 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: There's been a lot of ups and downs. Right Division 669 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: title in twenty seventeen. Doug Brone's a head coach. Blake 670 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: Bortles is a quarterback at all time defense in Jacksonville 671 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: that it disintegrates starting in twenty eighteen. It hits rock 672 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: bottom with the Urban Meyer regime and everything that happened there. 673 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: It's quickly starting to ramp back up, obviously with Peterson 674 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: and Lawrence and the free agent editions last year. It's 675 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: kind of common ways, but this one feels a little 676 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: more sustainable, doesn't it. Yeah, sustainable. I mean the errodefinitely 677 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: is pointing up and I think what happens what happened 678 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two was a year ahead. I think 679 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: this football team is a year ahead and where they 680 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: expected it to be. This was a football team at 681 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: one point, I believe was it one in six right 682 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: twenty six, right after the game in London and you're like, okay, 683 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: you scratch your head a little bit and say, oh, 684 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: same old Jaguars. And then something clicked, and I think 685 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: it was because the belief that Doug Peterson has brought. 686 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: I think there was from people who I've talked to 687 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: also within the organization that Trevor Lawrence something happened, Like 688 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: they like he took over this football team and said, look, 689 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: it's going to be on me how we finish and 690 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: how we have a successful season. And everybody bought in. 691 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: The talent has always been here, but it was putting 692 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: everything together and also having that belief, Like having that 693 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: belief is how you win games against the Dallas Cowboys 694 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: like the Jaguars this year having belief in games down 695 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: the stretch that hey, we are a good football team 696 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: and we can do the things that we expect to. 697 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: We can be down twenty seven points in a wild 698 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: card game and find a way to come back. That's 699 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: what I saw from this football team this year. But 700 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,479 Speaker 1: it really started with the quarterback. Everything that you mentioned 701 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: just about the last five years, I think it changes 702 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: because you have the guy who you believe in and 703 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: the guy pulling you know, that's taking the snaps from center, 704 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: and Trevor Lawrence. He's been outstanding this year and you 705 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: just think that how he brings the most gets the 706 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: best out of everybody on this round. He got the 707 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: best out of Evan Ingram, right, Christian Kirk. People questioned 708 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: the offseason acquisition in terms of the money that will 709 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: spent on Christian Kirk, but you talk about production, he 710 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: gave your production. And then the offensive line too, right, 711 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: think about that just how they came along this season. 712 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: So to me, this is a team that's a year 713 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: ahead and they can only imagine what they will do 714 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: this offseason to create more competition in some safe because 715 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: and hopefully it's not a long winning answer, but it's 716 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: it's fun to look at them now because they don't 717 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: go into an off season of need. You're like were 718 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,760 Speaker 1: last year, Like it's like, Okay, they need a receiver, 719 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,399 Speaker 1: they need a playmaking tight end, they need a couple 720 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: of linebackers to come in and tackle, they need keep going. 721 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,800 Speaker 1: There's a long list of need and you got a 722 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: lot of those needs answered. You went out and grab 723 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: some corners. You got Foyer, and you know the linebackers 724 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: who came and played. You got some guys off the 725 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: edge that are now creating a little bit of havoc. 726 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: You already had Josh, but now you got some people 727 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,720 Speaker 1: around him to help him out. You got an offensive 728 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,760 Speaker 1: line that play outstanding. And oh, by the way, whoever 729 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: you put in the backfield didn't matter if you got 730 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: a guy off the streets who just got released or 731 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: you got a guy in a trade. Everybody knew their 732 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: role and they played their role. And that's why I 733 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: think that the team now was more about adding the 734 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: depth rather than adding a need. You follow the league 735 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: from a broader perspective way to so. Doug Peterson talked 736 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: a lot this year about not only the difference that 737 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: he expect to see in Trevor in the second year 738 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: of his scheme. Yes, but in that entire team, you 739 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,359 Speaker 1: think about so many new guys last year kerk Ingram 740 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 1: on defense Luke, I mean, I would say the entire 741 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: team was new, but the cores very much came together 742 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 1: last year and your experience as a player and then 743 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: following it, how much better does a team usually get 744 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: in that second year and everything because they'll be in 745 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 1: their second year the defensive scheme, offensive scheme, and these 746 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: core players playing in it. It strikes me that that's 747 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 1: where the jomp comes from. I've always compared it to 748 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: that freshman year of high school where you get to 749 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: school and you're looking around your wide eyed. You can't 750 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: find your locker, I don't know where I'm gonna sit 751 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:25,280 Speaker 1: at for lunch. Ye, I'm trying to find the classes everything. 752 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: And then after that freshman year, you get till the 753 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: sophomore year, and then you're now you're an upper classman 754 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: and you know what's expected of you. You know where 755 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: my locker is, I know where I like to eat lunch, 756 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: and I know everything about the school because I've been 757 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: around it. It's the same thing in the National Football 758 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: League that freshman year is one of those years John, 759 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: in which you're like that rookie year. It's every or 760 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,879 Speaker 1: that first year together. It's learning, it's understanding what's the expectation. 761 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: It was difficult for me in my career, very difficult 762 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: because I played for six head coaches in eight years. 763 00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: Six wow. So every year for me, the plosophy or 764 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,399 Speaker 1: the culture had to change, and you're learning, Hey, what's 765 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: the new expectation of a new head coach. So when 766 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: you have the same head coach for multiple years, and 767 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,439 Speaker 1: I didn't have that happen honestly until my last part 768 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: of my career when I got to Buffalo. But I 769 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: knew what the expectation was. I knew that what the 770 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 1: coach wanted for me, The team knew what the coach wanted, 771 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: and there was no surprises. You knew how practice was 772 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: going to be ran, you knew where, how the extra 773 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: time that you can put in to be a better player, 774 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 1: all of that. And so now when Trevor Lawrence comes 775 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: to the line of scrimmage, he's got the built in 776 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: audibles that he maybe didn't have in year one, or 777 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: on defense, you have the audibles and the things that 778 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: a great play call from coach, but you know what 779 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: not none of let's check it. Let's check to a 780 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 1: different coverage that gets us in a better situation to 781 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: get us to the next down. That's what year two 782 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 1: in the system, not just offensively but also defensively helps 783 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: you out. Now with this Jaguar's team, Kirk Morrison with 784 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: a serious XM and Fell Radio final thought with you 785 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,840 Speaker 1: here and thanks again for the time. You know the Bills, 786 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: the Chiefs. Yes, Jaguars are kind of in that mix obviously. 787 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: I mean there's a bunch of teams now in the 788 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: AFC that have top tier quarterbacks, They've got pass rushers. 789 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: I mean, this is as competitive as I can remember 790 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 1: the conference being since I've been in. This will be 791 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: season twelve. I'm sure there have been other competitive times. 792 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 1: There's other great quarterbacks, but compared to what the NFC 793 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 1: has to offer right now, right, AFC is tough. But 794 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 1: the Jags are right there in the mix. Obviously, they 795 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,760 Speaker 1: went toe to toe with the Chiefs in the divisional round. 796 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: They got a taste of it, right. So every year 797 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 1: we always thought the cliche, you win your division, you 798 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,359 Speaker 1: get to the playoffs. Well, the Jaguars did that last 799 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,240 Speaker 1: year they won their division, but they got a chance 800 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: to see the next step that needs to be taken 801 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 1: out to be a true contender in the AFC. They 802 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: got a chance to go to Kansas City and to 803 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 1: be all honor. They played a hell of a football game. 804 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 1: There was moments where they could have actually changed the 805 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: tide of that game, and we wouldn't don't. I wouldn't 806 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 1: have been a surprise I had they won because they 807 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: had that mindset of where underdogs all that. They won't 808 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: be underdogs anymore. I think because of the way they 809 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: played this year, they're gonna be a much different team 810 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 1: that people will be looked at. But in two years 811 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 1: of Trevor Lawrence, he is the best quarterback in the 812 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,760 Speaker 1: AFC South right now. Right now, he starts at the top. 813 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: This division seems to be the Jaguars Division by quarterback already. 814 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 1: He is that when you put the matchup of against 815 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 1: the Texans or the Colts or the Titans right now, 816 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: he's the best quarterback. That's the box that you already have. 817 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 1: So if you have that piece for you already, that's 818 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: what makes you excited about getting back to the tournament 819 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: next year. And then you know what's expected because you 820 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: mentioned those other quarterbacks, those other teams that have been 821 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: in that contention for the last three or four years. 822 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 1: But the only thing is what the NFL presents is 823 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,280 Speaker 1: that one of those teams have to f all because 824 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 1: there's always a team on the rise. Cincinnati has been 825 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: that team the last couple of years that had kind 826 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: of rolls and they've dropped Buffalo, who's been there the 827 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,240 Speaker 1: last couple of years. It's it's been a fun, fun 828 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 1: couple of the last four or five years, this new 829 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: era of quarterbacks. Right, you mentioned Tom Brady leaving out 830 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,879 Speaker 1: of the league and all of a sudden, this influx 831 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 1: of youth of good quarterbacks. I mean, I just was 832 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: watching the looking at the AFC Pro Bowl quarterbacks, right, 833 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: I was in Vegas to uh, you know, doing some 834 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 1: interviews down there in the Pro Bowl and talk to 835 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence and to see and Trevor Lawrence, Josh Allen, right, 836 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, justin Herbert and think about how 837 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: far too has been pushed down, right, Yeah, I think 838 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: this is this is the same conference that has Russell Wilson, 839 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: and yet he's not even in the top ten in 840 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 1: the in the conference, but Russell Wilson's not even the 841 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: top ten I think in quarterbacks in the conference. That's 842 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: how good it is. But I think that's where the 843 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: Jaguars have put themselves in a position because of the 844 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: added pieces and weapons for their quarterback. Kirk, great stuff, 845 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,439 Speaker 1: Thanks again for the time. Glad to see you're doing well, 846 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: and we'll see you down the line. J P. John 847 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: At anytime, fellas anytime, Kirk Morrison, sirius XM NFL Radio. 848 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 1: Plenty to come. We'll wrap it up from Endy after this, 849 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:30,399 Speaker 1: it's Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network, Jacksonville 850 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: Sports Talk for Jacksonville sports fans ten ten XL, home 851 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Jaguars Happy Hour continues in The 852 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three concert season is here and there's no 853 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 1: better time to become a Dailies Place Blue member than 854 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,240 Speaker 1: right now. 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Good to hear 863 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 1: from Kirk, former Jaguar for one season at least twenty ten. 864 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 1: You made the point a pretty good season until it 865 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,279 Speaker 1: wasn't the best season. They had some good moments here, 866 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 1: but good to see him doing well and doing big 867 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 1: things on sirius XM ESPN College football as well. He's 868 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,919 Speaker 1: all over the place. Yeah, and he was by far 869 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,880 Speaker 1: the tallest of our three guest today. Kirk more easy, 870 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:48,399 Speaker 1: It's easily. Yes. Yeah. I missed covering Kirk by a year. 871 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,279 Speaker 1: And I actually I was still in indian twenty ten 872 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: when he was had his loan Jaguars season and I 873 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 1: was doing some work for multiple publications the time. Actually 874 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,800 Speaker 1: spoke to him on the phone that you're about the 875 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,360 Speaker 1: Jaguars season, and the story at mid season was what 876 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 1: a surprising, unbelievable successful season and had they closed that 877 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,439 Speaker 1: season out by beating the Colts up in Indianapolis, which 878 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: they had a chance to do. It would be remembered 879 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,600 Speaker 1: up there with some of the fondest seasons because of 880 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: that Scobie game, the fifty nine yard field goal. People 881 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:25,120 Speaker 1: remember the Hail Mary game. They went over to Dallas 882 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: and blew them out one week I think so, I 883 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,880 Speaker 1: mean there were some It's like so many teams. Teams 884 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,879 Speaker 1: have seasons that are sort of forgotten a little bit, 885 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,799 Speaker 1: and I think that twenty ten season, not having covered it, 886 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 1: but having talked to people about it, it's one of 887 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,320 Speaker 1: those seasons that some people remember fondly, and it was 888 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,239 Speaker 1: good to talk to Kirk about that. All right, let's 889 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: rehash some of the I guess news of the day 890 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: reports today that the Jags are expected to use the 891 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,719 Speaker 1: franchise tag on Evan Ingram. That would be just over 892 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,880 Speaker 1: eleven million dollars, and as you mentioned and we mentioned 893 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 1: with Pete, I mean, it feels like that's always kind 894 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,319 Speaker 1: of bit then the picture, if needed, that might just 895 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,759 Speaker 1: buy them a little more time to get a long 896 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 1: term deal done. I think July fifteenth would be the 897 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,480 Speaker 1: deadline if they were to tag him. They haven't officially 898 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,080 Speaker 1: tagged him yet they were expected to according to reports. 899 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 1: We'll see, but this just feels like just extending it 900 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 1: out in time to make a deal for Evan Ingram, 901 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,320 Speaker 1: as Trent Bulky said, they want him. Evan Ingram centered 902 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,360 Speaker 1: on interviews in the last couple of weeks he wants 903 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,719 Speaker 1: to be here. He wouldn't mind the franchise tag, he 904 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,880 Speaker 1: said that himself and one of those just because he 905 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,879 Speaker 1: would see it as an extension to make a long 906 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,760 Speaker 1: term deal. So this one feels like it's just elementary. 907 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,880 Speaker 1: It's going to happen. Yeah, if there's been a theme 908 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,399 Speaker 1: of the all seasons so far, We've talked about it, 909 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 1: even some of the guests for the Jaguars has been 910 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 1: you know, outside of the Roy Robertson Harrison extension, everything 911 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 1: feels more clerical, if you will. And when I say clerical, 912 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,040 Speaker 1: I mean the restructurings. They're moving money around the cap, 913 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,479 Speaker 1: but it doesn't really affect what the players are making 914 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 1: and it doesn't affect the team. It's keeping it together. 915 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:10,320 Speaker 1: So it hasn't been a very newsworthy offseason yet, unless 916 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,319 Speaker 1: you like following accounting in the NFL. So and I'm 917 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 1: not saying as a negative because that's what they wanted. 918 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,280 Speaker 1: They wanted to keep their guys, they wanted to clear books. 919 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,239 Speaker 1: So I think Evan Ingram very much fits into that. 920 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,879 Speaker 1: Everybody you talk to from Evan after the season, when 921 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 1: Trent Balky talked about it at a couple of ponies, 922 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,919 Speaker 1: and people you talked to on the side, there's never 923 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 1: been much of a doubt that one way or the 924 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,360 Speaker 1: other they were going to keep Evan Ingram. The doubt 925 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,960 Speaker 1: has been more over Juwan Taylor out of those two. 926 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:45,320 Speaker 1: And I believe based on just feel from talking to Trent, 927 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,160 Speaker 1: that at some point they'll get a long term deal 928 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,239 Speaker 1: done with Evan Ingram, because, as I've written many times, 929 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,919 Speaker 1: and you read it too often for your sake, when 930 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,520 Speaker 1: sides want to get something done in this league, and 931 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 1: when both sides genuinely want something to happen, it usually 932 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,880 Speaker 1: gets done. And talking to Evan's it certainly feels like 933 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,040 Speaker 1: he wants to be here long term. It would behoove 934 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 1: him to be here long term and the franchise. My 935 00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,399 Speaker 1: guess is once the Jaguars maybe move le further down 936 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,239 Speaker 1: the road and figure out exactly what the rest of 937 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,879 Speaker 1: the cap looks like, then maybe they come back and say, okay, 938 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,400 Speaker 1: we gotta figure it out. Now we can we know 939 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,799 Speaker 1: exactly where Evan will fit time to get it done. 940 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,840 Speaker 1: Maybe it's not that, Maybe it's just a matter of okay, 941 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,319 Speaker 1: now we can agree on that number. Maybe the John 942 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,120 Speaker 1: Taylor has something to do with that. Who knows, But 943 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:35,640 Speaker 1: sometimes you get the sense with a franchise tag. I've 944 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,560 Speaker 1: covered guys A four who've been on the tag, and 945 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,600 Speaker 1: even if they don't say it, there's a little feeling 946 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,960 Speaker 1: I don't like this. I don't think you'll have any 947 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,719 Speaker 1: sort of residual effect from Evan being on the franchise tag. 948 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,120 Speaker 1: I think it'll just be more logistics. At some point 949 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,480 Speaker 1: we'll get worked out and if it doesn't, you know, 950 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,480 Speaker 1: eleven million dollars. I think could be happy with that. 951 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 1: It's about what he made last year, and it won't. 952 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 1: It won't go into another season with him, I wouldn't 953 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,719 Speaker 1: think so. I think at some point he'll be a 954 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,840 Speaker 1: long term guy. Here. The availabilities from Trent Fawkey and 955 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,720 Speaker 1: Doug Peterson from Tuesday available now on Jaguars dot Com. 956 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,440 Speaker 1: Let's rewind to those a little bit here, John, you 957 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 1: can check them all out. Of course, there plenty of 958 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 1: interviews throughout the week with other guests out here in 959 00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:25,480 Speaker 1: Radio Row. Top standouts from each Bulky and Peterson in 960 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,600 Speaker 1: a rewind of Tuesday, Probably the biggest thing with Doug 961 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,320 Speaker 1: that struck me was his you know. It was the 962 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,839 Speaker 1: first thing he said on the podium, and Doug I 963 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,840 Speaker 1: think thinks about his messaging at times when he speaks, 964 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,439 Speaker 1: because he knows he's said in a tone for the team. 965 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,960 Speaker 1: He was very much I want this team to feel 966 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,000 Speaker 1: and understand the pressure of having to go out there 967 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,719 Speaker 1: and perform week to week. I think he knows there's 968 00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,759 Speaker 1: going to be higher expectations on a team that won 969 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,160 Speaker 1: the AFC South. I don't think he has a problem 970 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,520 Speaker 1: with that. He was very upfront, you know. He didn't say, Hey, 971 00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna own the you know, he didn't say anything 972 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,640 Speaker 1: the bastic, but he certainly made clear that the understands 973 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,560 Speaker 1: are gonna be expectations and he doesn't mind that. And 974 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,560 Speaker 1: I think the way he phrased it kind of goes 975 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,239 Speaker 1: back to I'm you know, in the first year under him, 976 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,120 Speaker 1: I think it took the team until the second half 977 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,880 Speaker 1: of the season to understand what it took to prepare 978 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,040 Speaker 1: each week and to be ready and to go win games. 979 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,400 Speaker 1: I think that's a natural learning curve. I think it 980 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,000 Speaker 1: bothered him in October because they weren't winning games, but 981 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,640 Speaker 1: I think once he saw it in the second half 982 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,239 Speaker 1: the season, thought Okay, that's how it's supposed to look. 983 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,680 Speaker 1: But there's also an element of and if he didn't 984 00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,759 Speaker 1: talk about this, some players did on the day after 985 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,760 Speaker 1: the season or on getaway Day, there's also an element 986 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:46,600 Speaker 1: of what it takes all season mentally to be a 987 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,840 Speaker 1: team that goes it goes and wins in the playoffs. 988 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,600 Speaker 1: That's what Doug wants, is what the team wants. In 989 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,000 Speaker 1: that comment, I think that was there too of I 990 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,040 Speaker 1: expect this team next year to approach the entire season 991 00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,439 Speaker 1: as if we're going to go win that second round game. 992 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,400 Speaker 1: Plenty of guests coming up, if they haven't posted already 993 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,920 Speaker 1: on Jaguars dot Com or Jaguars Social media or the 994 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,120 Speaker 1: podcast network, and the coming days they will, including Peter King, 995 00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,239 Speaker 1: who you caught up with today NBC Sports. Always fantastic 996 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,360 Speaker 1: and had a chance to listen in to some of 997 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,799 Speaker 1: that conversation between you two, and you're gonna love it 998 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,360 Speaker 1: once you hear that coming up with Charles Davis with 999 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,840 Speaker 1: Greg Cosell. I think that's coming up tomorrow on the 1000 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,480 Speaker 1: podcast Network. Just to name a few. I mean Morristons, 1001 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,200 Speaker 1: Drew caught up him, Jay and I know it was 1002 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,200 Speaker 1: gonna leave somebody out. Yeah. Morris had some great things 1003 00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,799 Speaker 1: to say about Shad Khan, about the team as a whole. 1004 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,520 Speaker 1: Morris really locked into the team this year. So his 1005 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,360 Speaker 1: insight into what this team is and was doing was 1006 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:43,280 Speaker 1: really interesting. And I Peter King, you know, a wealth 1007 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:47,000 Speaker 1: of knowledge and perspective on the combine. And he caught 1008 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,480 Speaker 1: up with Doug Peterson several times for his Monday Morning 1009 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,680 Speaker 1: I get what he calls the Football Mornings in America. 1010 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,840 Speaker 1: He caught up with him several times. So his insight 1011 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,919 Speaker 1: into Doug and this team I found very interesting. John, 1012 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,799 Speaker 1: well done and enjoyed the week. And we'll talk to 1013 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,279 Speaker 1: you again, I'm sure very soon, probably on the plane tomorrow, Yeah, 1014 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,759 Speaker 1: I guess so, or maybe when we walk out of here. 1015 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,040 Speaker 1: That's John Ozer. Thanks to our special guests today, Pete 1016 00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:15,200 Speaker 1: Frisco of course, Kurt Morris, and doctor Kevin Kaplan. Thanks 1017 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,600 Speaker 1: to our entire crew both here in Indie and back 1018 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,400 Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, and this is Jaguars Happy Hour on the 1019 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:21,800 Speaker 1: Jaguars Digital Network.