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Speaker 1: All that was nasty. Writer writes the latest news and

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Speaker 1: notes from the insiders who cover the teams. Drilled by Simmons.

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on, Bring it on.

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Speaker 1: Swim the ground by Buda Baker like a torpedo. He

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Speaker 1: came flying into the backfield, pink skirt and nobody. Here's

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Speaker 1: Paul caldc. You know, my qu rating has never been higher,

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Speaker 1: and it's real easy why because of the voice I've

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Speaker 1: been seeing next to nothing. It's amazing how much more

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Speaker 1: popular I am around the office place when nobody has

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Speaker 1: to endure my opinions until now. On Cardinal's Underground brought

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Speaker 1: to you by a Pacific Office Automation alongside Darren Irman,

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Speaker 1: who's laughing right now. That won't be the case real soon.

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Speaker 1: Danny Serek over there, who's still traumatized by yet another

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Speaker 1: incident in the parking lot as of this morning. Another

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Speaker 1: have I had an incident before? Well, you know the

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Speaker 1: whole parking stripe thing, Well that was where that was

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Speaker 1: more your issue. I was just agreeing, but yes it was.

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Speaker 1: You saw my face this morning when I pulled into

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Speaker 1: There was some random RV and I just kind of

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Speaker 1: stopped before I turned. I'm like, what is happening here?

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Speaker 1: But all the police officers looked rather happy, so I

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Speaker 1: wasn't too concerned that I was entering some sort of

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Speaker 1: crime scene at work. Thank goodness, Well that makes one

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Speaker 1: was that they had finally tracked down the perpetrators from Nashville,

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Speaker 1: Danny and Darren for all the debauchery of a half

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Speaker 1: week down on Broadway. That time has long come and gone, Paul.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, they pulled me in that they were motioning

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Speaker 1: me to go in. So I pulled in the parking

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Speaker 1: So then I had a park in the park right

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Speaker 1: And of course it was Danny truly, So yeah, filing

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Speaker 1: at your expense? Yeah, the Super Bowl, because there will

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Speaker 1: probably be kicked out of the office for part of it.

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Speaker 1: That usually is not going to make you really sad, Darren. No,

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Speaker 1: it's not going to make me really sad. Probably make

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Speaker 1: If there's one playoff team and we'll get to the

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Speaker 1: you do not want to occupy this building. Who would

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Speaker 1: Anybody's surprised. Absolutely not. I'm not even a wait for

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Speaker 1: comes down to productivity, comes down to wins and losses.

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Speaker 1: Ever since the ten and two start, it's been a

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Speaker 1: There's no longer the longtime GM Steve Kim at the Helm.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals are currently looking and interviewing as we speak both positions, Darren,

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Speaker 1: just your reaction your front row at the press conference

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Speaker 1: the fact that Michael Bidwell had some even if he

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Speaker 1: the thought process, which was, you know, I don't care

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Speaker 1: I would prefer to have the GM before the coach,

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Speaker 1: those kinds of things. I thought that it was nice

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Speaker 1: where it goes from here. Look, if there's one thing

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Speaker 1: It's that this team, this organization, when they recognized things

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Speaker 1: regardless of the cost. You saw it, Steve Wilkes. After

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Speaker 1: not working. It just wasn't effective enough to get the

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Speaker 1: looking over the last couple of years, even though Kingsbury

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Speaker 1: but unable to string wins together, unable to create that

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Speaker 1: think it's a combination of Kingsbury and Steve Cime of

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Speaker 1: the type of depth you have on your team, and

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Speaker 1: that was a big issue. Now injuries do not fall

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Speaker 1: on Cliff Kingsbury, of course, but the forty nine ers

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Speaker 1: Cardinals weren't that lucky. But depth was a big issue

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Speaker 1: having to rely on a lot of youth on your defense,

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Speaker 1: and it just wasn't working for the Cardinals this year,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's a part as to why you

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Speaker 1: accepted by Michael Bidwell. And look, the injuries were real.

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Speaker 1: They ended up playing eighty one different players, eleven different

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Speaker 1: Hopefully we can clean all that up. There have definitely

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Speaker 1: been too many distractions. And here's the thing. The players

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Speaker 1: at the same things happening week after week when you're

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Speaker 1: voicing when things are important or not. And so whether

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Speaker 1: And when you say that, you know what I think

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Speaker 1: of I think of the Hard Knocks episode after the

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Speaker 1: This may be a fault of mine, but I'm going

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Speaker 1: to treat you like bleeping men, so we have to

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Speaker 1: hold each other accountable. Ultimately, was that a fault of

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Speaker 1: and learn from and get better under. And part of

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Speaker 1: that is on Kyler Murray and that and having that initiative.

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Speaker 1: And we know that he has a drive to be great,

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Speaker 1: but you have to also be willing to learn and

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Speaker 1: to grow, and not just as a player, but as

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Speaker 1: a leader. And in his press conference, Michael Bidwell said

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Speaker 1: that while they haven't talked about it, he would love

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Speaker 1: to see Kyler do his rehab out here in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: And after these two job openings, it makes so much

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Speaker 1: more sense to want to have your quarterback here to

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Speaker 1: start to build those relationships and that chemistry and that trust.

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Speaker 1: This might be the aspect of the hiring process that

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Speaker 1: I fear the most. How are you supposed to know

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Speaker 1: whether the new head coach is truly going to connect

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Speaker 1: and sync up with Kyler Murray? How are you going

443
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Speaker 1: to to that? You're under the gun, You're competing against

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Speaker 1: for at least four other teams. You're trying to get

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Speaker 1: maybe one of your top choices, your top prospect out there,

446
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 1: and you got competition and time is of the essence

447
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 1: and the resurgency. How do you know? Drew Stanton, going

448
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: back to red Sea report A getting told a story

449
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Speaker 1: that when Bruce arians interviewed in Chicago, he went to

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Speaker 1: lunch with Jay Cutler. Okay, that makes sense, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, hey, I'm gonna go to lunch with a

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Speaker 1: franchise quarterback and figure out if we collick in a

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Speaker 1: in a ninety minute lunch. If we have issues in

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Speaker 1: ninety minutes, then we're probably gonna have issues over the

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Speaker 1: course of nine hours a day. So at some point,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you're bringing in candidate x's gonna have

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Speaker 1: to meet with K one and sit down. But how

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Speaker 1: do you truly know? And you're giving this guy a

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Speaker 1: five year contract, and how do you know five months

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Speaker 1: into it they're not they're not at odds well, but

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Speaker 1: you can make the argument with all of that, you

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Speaker 1: can make the argument, are you gonna get how are

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Speaker 1: you giving this guy five year contracts? If you because

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Speaker 1: you don't know if he's going to be a good coach,

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Speaker 1: how do you know? Why are you giving this guy

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Speaker 1: five year contract? I mean, everything is there are a

467
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Speaker 1: lot of unknowns. There's there's gonna be a leap of

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Speaker 1: faith no matter what, because you're bringing in somebody you

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Speaker 1: hope it works out. And every time you hire somebody

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Speaker 1: you you know, you're you're thinking it's going to be

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Speaker 1: the right person, and as some of us in life

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Speaker 1: have found out, that's not always how it works. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, I agree, it's funny that you bring up

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Speaker 1: the Kyler lunch potent, not lunch, but you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, meeting with the coach, because the amount of

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Speaker 1: people that freaked out when Michael Bidwell said that he

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Speaker 1: was going to talk to Kyler about the potential coach hire,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, why wouldn't he for that exact reason,

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Speaker 1: And they're all making this assumption it's because you know,

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Speaker 1: Michael's going to let Kyler pick the coach, which is

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Speaker 1: not This is not what we're talking about. And I

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Speaker 1: can almost guarantee you that every other organization when it

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Speaker 1: comes to even if you have your GM set and

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Speaker 1: you're hiring a new coach, is going to meet with

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Speaker 1: your franchise quarterback. So this is not something that is

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Speaker 1: completely out of left field, left field for Michael Bidwell

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Speaker 1: to say, I would think you would want your franchise

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Speaker 1: quarterback to meet with the coach. Now, does that mean

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's going to have the final say no, no,

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Speaker 1: But it's going to be important. No, and I laughed.

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Speaker 1: Now did they give him Hollywood Brown his quote best friend?

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Speaker 1: They did? Sure? Did you quote that they're besties? Right? Well,

493
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Speaker 1: that's what they said that when they made the trade.

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Speaker 1: I'm not quoting the two of them. I'm quoting the

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Speaker 1: decision makers and then Cody Ford. Okay, all right, maybe

496
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Speaker 1: a little bit they needed some offensive line help. Why not?

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Speaker 1: He's good friends with Kyler? Resigned zach Ertz, who had

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Speaker 1: that chemistry right off the bat with Kyler. And you

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Speaker 1: know what, this is my own theory, But if you're

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Speaker 1: trying to help Kyler click with the locker room and

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Speaker 1: grow the leadership aspect, bringing in a Hollywood Brown, I

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Speaker 1: think they also viewed as a bridge to the rest

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Speaker 1: of the locker room, bringing in one of his best friends,

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Speaker 1: and then hopefully it grows exponentially from there. I get that.

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Speaker 1: But to say that he's gonna have any sort of

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Speaker 1: decision making power on the next head coach and or GM, no,

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Speaker 1: absolutely not. Just the symbolism of Michael Bidwell by himself

508
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Speaker 1: at that press conference to me said at all, that's

509
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Speaker 1: where the ultimate decision rests. Right there. There was nobody

510
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Speaker 1: else to put up there with him. I mean, you don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you had a seat, Paul. You forgot

512
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Speaker 1: to reserve one earlier in the day. You think after

513
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 1: all these years, i'd actually figure that out. And I

514
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: still make the same mistakes see once again self inflicted

515
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Speaker 1: and the same mistake at the beginning of the season

516
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Speaker 1: at the end of the season. But to go back

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Speaker 1: to your earlier comment there, Danny, there's no doubt that

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Speaker 1: a turnaround to the year Zona Cardinal starts with turning

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Speaker 1: around the quarterback. Can we all agree that Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: to some degree has never been the same since the

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Speaker 1: playoff loss. Yeah, I think that's fair. So I don't

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Speaker 1: know if there's necessarily if that's it correlated, it's not false. No, Look,

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Speaker 1: I've used this stat. I think I used it in

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Speaker 1: our coverage right afterwards. But I'll say it again that

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Speaker 1: and this is just an analytic but I think it

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Speaker 1: illustrates significantly his struggles. We all know the eyeball test.

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Speaker 1: Once again, Can we all agree that the downfield passing

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Speaker 1: attack wasn't nearly as potent his year's passed just never

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Speaker 1: quite materialized. The DVOA deep throw stat which is sixteen

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Speaker 1: plus air yards in twenty twenty one. I wouldn't even

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Speaker 1: give you the facts. Who cares? Kyler led all quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: in DVOA deep throws sixteen plus yards. Do you know

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Speaker 1: where he was when he got hurt in twenty twenty two?

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Speaker 1: Let me guess twenty seven dead last? Oh, he's like

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Speaker 1: thirty third. At how many quarterbacks were able to qualify

536
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Speaker 1: at last? Yeah, that said how many had enough reps

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Speaker 1: to qualify? So you know, there were are significant concerns

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Speaker 1: about the state of the quarterback position where Kyler is,

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Speaker 1: and I think we all so. If you're gonna bring

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Speaker 1: in a defensive head coach, but there's vance Joseph, whether

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Speaker 1: it's Demiko, Ryan's, I don't know. I'm throwing names out,

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00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: What do you do? That defensive coach better have a

543
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: heck of a name and a heck of a plan

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Speaker 1: for the person who's gonna handle the offense. Right. It's

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Speaker 1: it's funny that work back to where we were talking

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Speaker 1: about now. Granted, the quarterback was slightly different at this

547
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: time four years ago, because you were talking about somebody

548
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Speaker 1: having to build a Josh Rosen because at that point

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00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: we didn't know for sure that they were going to

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Speaker 1: take Kyler Murray. But it's the same thing. What are

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Speaker 1: you going to do? How are you going to develop

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Speaker 1: that young quarterback? Now? Michael BiVO again made very clear

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Speaker 1: he doesn't he doesn't have any problem signing a defensive

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Speaker 1: head coach. He made very clear he doesn't mind signing

555
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: a CEO type of head coach. While then all of

556
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: a sudden, your coordinator has become super important and your

557
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator is really important. And then you add into

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Speaker 1: it what we've already been talking about was not only

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Speaker 1: does the head coach need to click with your quarterback,

560
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: but so too does the coordinator and the quarterback coach.

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Speaker 1: You know, Camp Turner is still under contract. He's got

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Speaker 1: a pretty decent relationship with Kyler. Would he be a

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00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: possibility to be retained as like quarterbacks coach if you?

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Speaker 1: I don't see necessarily him being the coordinator, but we'll

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Speaker 1: see what happened. I have a logistical question for you

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Speaker 1: for the coaches that are under contract. If the new

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Speaker 1: head coach comes in and says, I want to bring

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Speaker 1: in my own guys at these specific spots, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Michael Biddwell still owns how did those contracts work, though.

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Speaker 1: Here's how they're going to work. The new coach would

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Speaker 1: come in and say, well, if you're making me your

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Speaker 1: head coach, I have control over my staff. Michael Bidwell

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Speaker 1: says okay, right. And then when he comes in and

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Speaker 1: says I want to replace these seven coaches that are

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Speaker 1: still under contract with my own guys, Michael Bidwell says okay,

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00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: and then they're under contract. A player, you just you

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Speaker 1: pay out what you owe, and not like a player

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Speaker 1: because usually players don't have guaranteed contracts. Coaches do. So

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Speaker 1: you would have to pay the money that Michael Bidwell

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Speaker 1: essentially will likely have to pay out for this coaching

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Speaker 1: change is still going to be more than what just

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Speaker 1: what Cliff Kingsbury is getting. Really wow? Oh yeah, the

583
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: coaches still get their money, well should I know? But

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Speaker 1: does that really add up to what Kingsbury got thirty millions?

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Speaker 1: My point is is, let's say he owes twenty five

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Speaker 1: million dollars to Cliff Kingsbury. It's gonna be twenty five

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Speaker 1: million dollars plus whatever he ow is. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: the amount to the assistance I thought adds up to

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Speaker 1: that twenty five million. No, No No, no, no no, no, no, okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, gotcha. Well let's just let's just address the

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Speaker 1: elephant in the room right now here on Cardinals Underground,

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Speaker 1: brought you by Pacific Office Automation. Is Sean Payton a

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Speaker 1: possibility or not? Feasible, doable, plausible or not? Sean Payton

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Speaker 1: next head coach of the Arizona Cardinals, Danny Go plausible.

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Speaker 1: There's a couple of things that he is still under

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Speaker 1: contract with the Saints, So you're gonna have to how

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Speaker 1: much is too much in your mind? First round pick?

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Speaker 1: Too much? First round pick twenty twenty four. She's she's

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00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: mulling at people. You can't see it, But I just

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I think with we need music,

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00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: that's true. I think with the state of where this

602
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: team could be, with so many question marks personnel wise,

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00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: it is a lot to give up a first round

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Speaker 1: pick in the next few years in my mind for

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Speaker 1: a head coach. See to me, you can't give up

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00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: the third overall. But to me, if you're hiring Sean Payton,

607
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Speaker 1: you're expecting immediate results. I'm sure Sean Payton will be

608
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Speaker 1: expecting immediate results, in which case I would hope that

609
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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four first round pick isn't nearly as

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Speaker 1: good as the twenty twenty three, except your franchise quarterback

611
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: isn't unknown as to how much of the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: three season he's going to play. You can go, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's all true. I mean, I don't. I don't have bingo.

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00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to confuse those listening with the bingo card.

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00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: I was agreeing with Paul again, you have to decide

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Speaker 1: how important Sean Payton is for you. I mean, and

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00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: also what what what kind of control does he really wants?

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00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: That's all part. But but if if we're starting, if

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Speaker 1: we're talking about compensation, then then Michael Bidwell has already

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00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: decided Sean Payton's going to get the kind of control

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Speaker 1: that he wants and get the kind of contract he wants.

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Speaker 1: So now we're talking about the compensation. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of hurdles to getting a

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00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: Sean Payton right now, A lot of hurdles. Is it feasible? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Do I think it's likely. I have a hard time

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00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: saying that, and I agree with you, But I guess

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Speaker 1: the question I would throw out, what is culture worth

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00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: to an organization. Michael Bidwell made a comment to the

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Speaker 1: media to start the week on Monday, and he said,

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Speaker 1: you know, we got to make sure the culture of

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Speaker 1: the locker room is focused on maximum effort. There's that

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00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: word culture, So okay, where do you get it? Where

633
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Speaker 1: does it come from? Does it automatically and only come

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Speaker 1: from the head coach? And if so, Sean Payton has

635
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: a proven track record obviously establishing a winning culture. So

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00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: there again is the question what is it worth. I

637
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: think to a certain degree it comes from the head coach,

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Speaker 1: and to me, that's more of the accountability that we've

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Speaker 1: talked about. I think culture truly stems from the leaders

640
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: in the locker room, your peers, who you are sitting

641
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: next to, who you are playing with. I think that

642
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: holds a lot of weight in terms of the culture

643
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: actually sticking and actually making a difference. The coaching staff

644
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: can do whatever is in their power, but it's up

645
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: to the players to buy into that and to buy

646
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: into each other. So yes, the coaching staff absolutely. Darren

647
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: was talking about the different types of coaches that you

648
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: bring in. That obviously plays a big part in the

649
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: culture that is in the building. But to me, it's

650
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: really up to the players about deciding to buy in

651
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: and to actually give into that culture, because at the

652
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: very beginning, at the very end of bruce Arians, You're right,

653
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: it was it was time and a change was needed.

654
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: But at the very beginning of Bruce Arians, I remember

655
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: talk having the conversation on Black Monday twenty seventeen after

656
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: this season, and bruce arians retirement had become known the

657
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: night before in Seattle, and the Cardinals got the win

658
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: and sent him out victorious with a big win at Seattle.

659
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: But I remember of Elder the next day, a few

660
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: of us around his locker were talking to him and

661
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: he said, the only reason that we went to Seattle

662
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen and one against that juggernaut team coming

663
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: off a fifty eight nothing lost the year before was

664
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: because of bruce Arians. Oh, I agree, because of all

665
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: week bruce Arians telling us we're gonna go up there

666
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: and bleeping, bleeping, you know. And he set the tone early.

667
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: He was the one who built that confidence and said

668
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: we're not only gonna win, we're gonna go pound him

669
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: with twenty two and twenty three double That's right? Is

670
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: that on the Bingo card? Is that Wolf? I think

671
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 1: that card and you did it despite Carson Palmer throwing

672
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: four picks. Yes, right, most teams wouldn't have been able

673
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: to overcome its come forth. You're right. Look, I'm not

674
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that can't come. But I think

675
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: I think some of this has gotten to be too

676
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: simplistic in terms of of some of this. I mean,

677
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: if you get the right coach, it's going to make

678
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: a huge difference, there is no question. But I also

679
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: think that they assembled a pretty nice roster in twenty thirteen,

680
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: and you also had Carson Palmer, who Okay, we're talking

681
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 1: about going up to Seattle on Christmas Eve or whatever

682
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: that day was and beating a great Seattle team. Uh

683
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: in week that was the next last week of the season.

684
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: I think that was I want to say it was.

685
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: It was right, it was. It was late in the

686
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: Christmas Eve. I mean it had to be right near.

687
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: But um, if you flash forward to week six or

688
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: week seven, when my Twitter timeline was filled with people saying,

689
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: why aren't they playing Drew Stanton, Carson Palmer is terrible.

690
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: I didn't hear all these people saying Bruce arians was

691
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: the second coming. That's right, and it turns out the

692
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: reason behind all those interceptions earlier was the receivers were

693
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: screwing up a lot. They had a lot of read

694
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: routes that they were messing up. And you know, Carson

695
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: took the hit and never called out as receivers. You know.

696
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: But to your point about this culture thing, Okay, you

697
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: know there's a reason Sean Payton left New Orleans all

698
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you have Drew Brees. There's a reason

699
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: Sean McVay might pull the plug in the Rams. He

700
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: doesn't have the dudes anymore. So to me, they don't

701
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: want to go through a rebuild. Yeah, And to me, honestly,

702
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: and I had this debate whether I forget who it was.

703
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: Their GM hiring I think is twice as important as

704
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: the head coach hiring because talent wins. Ultimately, talent prevails,

705
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: And if you can, you got to get back to

706
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: the days of pulling David Johnson on around three, Tyrn

707
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: Matthew out around three, all Pro safety Buddha Baker out

708
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: of round two. You have to get back to these days.

709
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: That team that went to the Super Bowl in two

710
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: thousand and eight was predicated on the two thousand and

711
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: four draft Larry Fitzeryl Carlos Dans to be Darnell Docket

712
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: in the first three rounds, an Kuon Bold in the

713
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 1: year before in round two. You got to get back

714
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 1: to those days. So if you're hiring for the GM,

715
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: you have to find the candidate with the best eye

716
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: for talent. Here's my question for the two of you,

717
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: when you have not not looking at the list of

718
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: pending free agents, the players you know that are going

719
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: to be back, and on offense Kyler Murray, James Connor,

720
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown, Rondelle Moore, and on defense Buddha Baker, Marco Wilson.

721
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I understand the thought that this team has

722
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: the talent and isn't too far off the rails if

723
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: you make the right decisions. But I think about all

724
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: the decisions are gonna have to made in the trenches

725
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: on your offensive and defensive line and the depth they're

726
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: going to need and your secondary. Are the Cardinals on

727
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: the verge of being in a rebuild year? I'd say

728
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: that's that's plausible. Yes, if you're a GM or a

729
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: head coach candidate and you are interviewing with the Cardinals,

730
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: is this a rebuild year for you? I mean, for me,

731
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: the way I look at it is, yes, I know

732
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: Michael Bidwell says we're not as broken as everybody thinks,

733
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: and we can turn it around, and I do agree.

734
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: There's always the possibility of turning it around. The problem

735
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: right now is there's so many moving pieces to sit

736
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: here in the early part of January, with no coach

737
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: and no GM, it's just impossible to really get a

738
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: good handle on what's happening. Like we can talk about

739
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: you know, what you do with DeAndre Hopkins. Okay, DeAndre

740
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: Hopkins is a thirty million dollar cap hit. Next year,

741
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna need to do something. He's gonna want a

742
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: better contract, assuming he wants to be here, all that

743
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: good stuff. But if you move on from him, you

744
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: still take a twenty two million dollar cap hit, so's

745
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: you'll save some cap money, but not a lot. And

746
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 1: if you get rid of them, that's a big cap

747
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: number to have for a guy that's not there. You

748
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen with your quarterback. You

749
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: do have cap space, more or less, and that's even

750
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: if you move on from DeAndre Hopkins, but it's because

751
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: you don't have half a roster they're all going to

752
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: be free agents. And once you start signing those guys,

753
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: even if you were signing them to minimum deals, which

754
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: you're you probably aren't going to do most of them.

755
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: You know, that eats up the cap space pretty quick.

756
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: So it's not like you've got all this room where

757
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: you could just go out and add like four really

758
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: awesome pieces with all this cap space, because you've got

759
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: to actually have a roster. So that that's also something

760
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 1: to consider if somebody is if you're thinking about taking

761
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 1: one of those two positions that are open, those are

762
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: things you have to consider. So that begets the next

763
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: question ready for this good word beget. I don't have

764
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: that on the Bengo card either. Does that give an

765
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: internal candidate an inherent advantage in this hiring process right now?

766
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: If it was a typical offseason and they're only a

767
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: handful of potential free agents on your own roster they

768
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: had to decide whether to extend or not, then okay,

769
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: you could be a newcomer and arrived at the organization.

770
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: Watch some film, But is it realistic to think that

771
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: the new GM, if it's an outside candidate, is going

772
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: to come in and have to make thirty plus decisions

773
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: on the future of your own players. Wouldn't an Adrian

774
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: Wilson or a Quentin Harris have an inherent advantage in

775
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: that process unless Michael Bidwell feels that because of all

776
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: the decisions that have to be made, he would want

777
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 1: to bring someone in who has more experience in that role.

778
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: Quintin Harris and Adrian Wilson have done a great job

779
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: in the years that they have been with the Cardinals.

780
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: They've been in the front office for years. It's not

781
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: to say that they're new to this side of the game,

782
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: but neither of them have been at the top before,

783
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: and maybe this is the right time Michael feels to

784
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: promote one of them. I just don't see how you

785
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: internally hire both a GM and a head coach if

786
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: you are trying to change the culture and you're trying

787
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:14,439
Speaker 1: to change things and internally, I mean, there there's one

788
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: name that we can assume will probably be that internal

789
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 1: interview that has not happened yet. I just don't see

790
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: how you make internal hires at both positions. And we're

791
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: talking about the defensive coordinator Vance jokes, Yeah, I mean,

792
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: I don't know Vans. Vans will get Okay, he acknowledged

793
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: he'd be interviewed, But I don't see. I agree with Danny.

794
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: I don't see both of them. I mean, you just

795
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: never know. You don't know. But but again it goes

796
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: back to like the Vance thing is a great point

797
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: when we were talking about the other assistant coaches, like,

798
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: if Vance is here, then the chances go way up

799
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: that a chunk of this staff might be retained. If

800
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: he's not here, there's a good chance most of them

801
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: won't be here. And if you're trying to decide which

802
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: players are part of the problem and which players are

803
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: part of the solution, who's better equipped than Vance Joseph.

804
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: He knows firsthand. He's been here four years, So I

805
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: can see where that's in advantage for Vance Joseph in

806
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: this whole coaching equation. He can walk right into that

807
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: interview and say, Okay, here's the list. Is that on

808
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: the bingo card? When I shuffle the papers, he can say,

809
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: here's the list these players I want back. These players

810
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: it's going to be additioned by subtraction, get rid of them,

811
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: don't resign him because he knows sure, So you know,

812
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: by the way the candidate I have an eye on

813
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:40,479
Speaker 1: for GM the external candidate. Thanks for asking Malik Boyd.

814
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 1: Darren tell us about Malik Boyd, who was a Cardinals

815
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: scout right then assistant director of pro Scouting four or

816
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: five six years ago he left to go to the Bills.

817
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: Has he only been with the Bills? Ever been with

818
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: the Bills? But he's been through them since obviously since

819
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: they built back up to what they are right now.

820
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: Malik's a great guy. I got to know him as

821
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: a scout and then in the personnel department and great communicator,

822
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: good communicator, and you would have somebody that would have

823
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: a knowledge of this building, but also someone who's been

824
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: elsewhere now again, and and he has relationships with Adrian

825
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: Wilson and Quentin Harris. You know, that's always That's the

826
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: other big part of all this too is for me.

827
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: I mean we talk about the coaching staff, what happens

828
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: to the scouting staff and the personnel department with a

829
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: new GM. You know, I've only covered this team with

830
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: internal GM highers, so there's always been kind of a

831
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 1: stability there. There's always been scout changes and a handful

832
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: of personnel moves or you know that kind of stuff.

833
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: But it's there's never been like this bloodletting, and you

834
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: wonder if an outside GM coming in does something like that.

835
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: You know, if if Adrian or Quentin aren't getting the

836
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: don't get the job and they don't get hired elsewhere.

837
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: As we know Quintin Harris is the Titans are going

838
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: to talk to him for their open GM job. If

839
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: one of them or both of them is still here,

840
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: do they remain in the personnel department? It would be

841
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: kind of funny because you know, they worked with Malik

842
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: went upon a time and then he'd now he'd be

843
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: the boss. And if that were to happen, and again

844
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: we're not we don't know if Malik Boyd is going

845
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: to get interviewed. Michael Bidwell did not bring up any

846
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: names other than Adrian and Quinton Harris. You know, obviously

847
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: there's Right before we came on the air, Jim Trotter,

848
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: the NFL Network did report that the Cardinals are going

849
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: to interview Jerry Reis, the former Giants general manager. So

850
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: you know, those those things are going to continue to

851
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: filter out. I'm sure as we go the names will

852
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: be out there. Michael Bidwell won't say him the Cardinals

853
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: won't say of them, but the names will be out

854
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: there because of the reporting, and we'll see what direction

855
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: it goes. If you've been scoring at home. According to

856
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: the national reports, Cardinals have requested permission interview Bears assistant

857
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: GM E and Cunningham Niners Director of Personnel Ran Carthon,

858
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: Niners assistant GM Adam Peters, and then Tennessee Director of

859
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: player Personnel Monte Osanft I believe, and then Malique Boyden's

860
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: name is out there, but there's been no report that

861
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: he officially has anything scheduled. And then the Jerry and

862
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: then the Jerry Resort as of today, yep. And so

863
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: that's the latest we know on that front, and at

864
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: least I think also Jim Trotter said, it does appear

865
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: that the Cardinals are going head first initially into the

866
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: GM interviews, which is what Michael said he wanted to do,

867
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: which makes sense to me. I'm I'm a believer in

868
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: having your GM in place to help hire the head coach.

869
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: I agree. So look, there's that, and then there's also

870
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: the Peter Schreger report earlier today or twenty four hours

871
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: ago about how he spoke to Cliff after Cliff got

872
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: the news, and Shreigs went on to say, and I'm

873
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: quoting loosely here, that Cliff told him that mister Bidwill

874
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: was quote incredibly classy, brought him in, they had an

875
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: emotional farewell, and then Shreigs went on to say that

876
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: Bidwell and Cliff had no beef by any means, and

877
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: that Cliff, indeed, we'll get paid out the entirety of

878
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: his five year extension. The way Shrake's explained it was

879
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 1: that Cliff will get paid every two weeks until twenty

880
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 1: twenty seven. I mean about that, it doesn't really surprise

881
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: me that Cliff went out on good terms. He's not

882
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that

883
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: would harbor a whole lot of judge at judgment. And

884
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: to be honest, I'm sure there's a big part of

885
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: Cliff that feels like, Okay, things weren't perfect her for

886
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: me and I got a little bit of a raw deal.

887
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: But I'm sure there's also plenty of Cliff questioning things

888
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: that he did and wishing he had done better. And

889
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: he said it after the game the other day, you

890
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: got to go through this stuff to learn. I mean,

891
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: he's still relatively young, jerk. It's like ten years younger

892
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: than me, so like he's got plenty of time to

893
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: coach and improve on what happened here. I'll tell you.

894
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: I'll just say this real quick. You know, we did

895
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: his TV show the last couple of years and actually

896
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: all his years, and I cannot tell you how professional

897
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: and accommodating and how self deprecating and intelligent. His sense

898
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 1: of humor is really funny guy. And when you saw

899
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: them at ten and two last year, and you know,

900
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: you saw a little bit more of the sense of

901
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: humor come out. He was smart enough to know when

902
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: he could display it and when he couldn't. But if

903
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: you said in those press conferences and he was you know,

904
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: he would always have the little one liners here and there,

905
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: a lot of times at his own expense. You know,

906
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: there were things we were coming It happened again at

907
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. He's we're coming out at the

908
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 1: halftime locker room and fans are yelling stuff at him,

909
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: and I mean, you know, and he's smiling and wave

910
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: and he's taking it in and I mean, always good natured,

911
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: unlike anything I've ever experienced with any head coach at

912
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: any time that that was the point I was going

913
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: to make. As for whichever teams, however long we've covered

914
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: the three of us, I'm sure that we've come across

915
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: head coaches who aren't necessarily rude, but understandably so, maybe

916
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: don't go out of their way to really form connections

917
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: with media members or other employees in different departments who

918
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 1: aren't on the football size things, And that is so

919
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: far from the truth with Cliff Kingsbury, and I think

920
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: because of that, it trickles down, and it's true with

921
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: every coach that was on his staff, and the way

922
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: that our building is set up, it's not uncommon to

923
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: run into Cliff or another coach around the building and

924
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 1: one of the cafeterias or something like that, and they

925
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: are so friendly and not in the sense of just saying, hey,

926
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: how's it going, you know, casualties, but Cliff knows people's

927
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: names and will have conversations with them, not just about football,

928
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: but just about life and other things. And he was

929
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: always enjoyable from my aspect of things, to be around

930
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: and to talk to, no matter how the previous game

931
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: had gone, no matter the tough questions we might have

932
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: asked him, because he understood the role that we were

933
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: in and what we had to ask of him, and

934
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: I thought he was respectful of that. And you know,

935
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: regardless of how you feel he handled the job on

936
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: the field, he was for me someone who was really

937
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: great to just interact with on a daily basis around

938
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: the facility. Kind of jumping on that last point that

939
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: you just made it that he was respectful of what

940
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: we did, especially for somebody like me. I had a

941
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: chance to send him a thank you text and he

942
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: responded in a in a very cool way and just

943
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: saying that he felt like I treated every the team

944
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: and him fairly the whole time. Which look, I know

945
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: fans out there have said things to me over the

946
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: years and stuff like that. It is a it is

947
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: a stranger situation for me in this role than maybe

948
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: early in my career when to cover this team for newspaper.

949
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: It's it's a little bit different when you're with a team.

950
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: I understand that, and I am fortunate, thank you to

951
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: ownership here and people in my department that are above

952
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: me that want me to try and cover this team

953
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: like I once did as a media member the best

954
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: I can. I mean, obviously there are certain lines there,

955
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: but I try and do it the best I can,

956
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: and I think I do a pretty good job about it.

957
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: But when new coaches come in, that's a little bit

958
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: odd for them. And I know when Cliff came in,

959
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 1: and there were some discussions early, and I think there

960
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: was like a little bit of pause, like wait a minute,

961
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: we have a guy in the building. It was going

962
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: to be kind of writing some of these things. And

963
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: yet I never got anything about cooperation from Cliff Kingsbury.

964
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: You know, was he super open? No. I remember when

965
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: I wrote the story about him, my kind of big

966
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: intro to Cliff Kingsbury story, and I got a couple

967
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: of interviews done and I went to talk to him

968
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: about him and one of them was when he was

969
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: with the Patriots and how he basically had morphed the

970
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: year he was injured into a quality control coach and

971
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: he was like, who told you that? And I'm like,

972
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: I'm a reporter. I talked to people. He didn't really

973
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: want to get into it, but that's that's not really

974
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: where he wanted to go. But he never said don't

975
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 1: write it, or hey, I don't want that out there.

976
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: And again, I, like Danny said, we could ask questions

977
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: that not all coaches would appreciate team media asking and

978
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: I don't think they were out of bounds, but that

979
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: doesn't mean coaches don't get upset about it. And I've

980
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: been around enough coaches that have been like that, so

981
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: of you, Paul, and I just feel like Cliff, I

982
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: want to give him kudos for that. Again, it doesn't

983
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: change how it went on the football field, but it

984
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: means something to us. And the fact that we all

985
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: have similar sentiments makes me to believe that what the

986
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: reports we heard from Peter Schreger from what Michael Bidwell

987
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: said in his press conference, that I would believe that

988
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: there really was no disconnect between the two of them,

989
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: and that they both understood what needed to be done

990
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: and you know, leaving on good terms all things considered. Well,

991
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: Michael Bidwell said he never seen a coach work that hard, right,

992
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: that was one of his coming and I think we'd

993
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: all it just can't argue. I mean, it was so

994
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: Danny never did come in that week to work out

995
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: with You don't know that four in the morning. You

996
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: don't know that I never shut us. Here's why I

997
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: don't know, because you would have been I would have

998
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: been the first person you walked in and told see

999
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: I did this. Were you there, Darren? No, but I

1000
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: was here. I would have done that. I missed my opportunity.

1001
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: So he book ended it. He started this podcast by

1002
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: saying he was here an hour or so before you,

1003
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: and then he ended it by saying, once again, you

1004
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: weren't there early enough to make it happen. Danny so

1005
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: and I don't. I definitely don't want to take the

1006
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: heat off of Darren. But before we wrap this up,

1007
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: I do want to say Paul that for the second

1008
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: straight week, surprisingly you have only given us one, not

1009
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: surprisingly one additional X on the Bingo card. I'm beginning

1010
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: to wonder if he's like intentionally changing out. Did you

1011
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: somehow see one of either mind Darren or almost been

1012
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: card have not seen him, have not, but I have

1013
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: self scouted. I will say today today you gave us

1014
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: the Darren asked for this to be on the Bengo

1015
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: card in a short I referenced when talking about being

1016
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: on the podcast with the Wolflu Brothers. Yeah, that was

1017
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: what we crossed off. What I did was after playing

1018
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, I did what Kyle Shannand does,

1019
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: and I broke my own tendencies. That'll do it for

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00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,719
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