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Speaker 2: Back with you on a Friday here as we head

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Speaker 2: those But Buck, I love Fridays. Friday is my new

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Speaker 1: It is kind of fun, like you guys make me

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Speaker 2: So this part is kind of fun for me. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: something new that we started where every Friday, Buck's gonna

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Speaker 2: He's going to give us some wisdom and then I

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Speaker 2: And this stuff is transferable. It's not just what you

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Speaker 2: So what's the word? What do we have? What's the

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Speaker 1: And toughness can't take place in many forms, but DJ

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