Speaker 1: Welcome back to our number two of the Drive here
Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio. And uh well, we're not going
Speaker 1: to get into our DFS lineup for the super Bowl
Speaker 1: just yet. Tomorrow it'll be tomorrow. Tomorrow will be super
Speaker 1: Bowl centric kind of show. Uh So, today I thought
Speaker 1: we'd look at another updated big board as well. This
Speaker 1: is when you said, I mean this is from the
Speaker 1: Draft Scout.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a pay site. It's uh I
Speaker 2: think it's Matt Miller's site up up my head.
Speaker 1: Okay. The thing that I like about this one, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like it and I don't like it. They give
Speaker 1: you comps and all the players. Yeah, and nobody ever
Speaker 1: Pickure Rough. Nobody ever says you know, he reminds me
Speaker 1: of Tony Mandrich, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all these guys are going to be hit and yeah,
Speaker 2: it's kind of a blend of Christian McCaffrey and Jim Brown.
Speaker 2: Maybe you should go higher than the thirty guy thirty
Speaker 2: thigh in your board, don't you think. And of course
Speaker 2: Mconkey's going to be welker, Yeah, I mean, can be
Speaker 2: Steve Smith.
Speaker 1: No, right, right, of course, right, Okay, So looking at
Speaker 1: his top fifty, he's got Caleb Williams number one. Okay,
Speaker 1: his pro comp is Patrick Mahomes meets Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2: That's a good combination.
Speaker 1: So what you're telling me is Caleb Williams is gonna win.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The way they have between the two of them, eight
Speaker 1: super Bowl appearances, you know, and I.
Speaker 2: Get some comps or just style of play. This is
Speaker 2: what they could become if everything hits. But they're always
Speaker 2: a little rich, little rich. Yeah.
Speaker 1: His number two players marvs Marvin Harrison Junior. The comp
Speaker 1: is a J. Green.
Speaker 2: I see that. I think he's more physical.
Speaker 1: I think he's more physical than J Green ever was
Speaker 1: he didn't camp him to his dad. No, he's big,
Speaker 1: He's a lot bigger. He's not that much like his dad.
Speaker 1: Uh Number three Drake may comp a shorter Josh Allen.
Speaker 2: I get Herbert a lot when I hear comps from him, good, mover, prototypical,
Speaker 2: but still, I mean he's cut two inches off Josh Allen.
Speaker 2: He'll be pretty dark good good, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels at four, look at the comps, a better
Speaker 1: passing Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2: So he's gonna win two MVPs four years.
Speaker 1: Uh five is Malik Neighbors. Okay, his comp is Brandan Ayuk.
Speaker 2: Yeah kind of see that, you know, all right? Yeah,
Speaker 2: rout runner physical.
Speaker 1: UH six is a Duneesa from Washington. The comp is
Speaker 1: a slower Jamar Chase.
Speaker 2: I've heard Larry Fitzgerald, which is also pretty Yeah, they's
Speaker 2: get testy catch guy.
Speaker 1: Uh seven is Joe Alt. The comp is Joe Thomas.
Speaker 2: He's a Hall of Famer. Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: UH eight is Forashanu, the offensive tackle out of Penn State.
Speaker 1: The comp is Tron Armstead.
Speaker 2: I like that camp. I mean again, these are rich.
Speaker 2: I mean these are best case scenario. If you draft
Speaker 2: him at eight and he turns into Tron armstead'retty pretty
Speaker 2: happy about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh nine is Dallas Turner, the defensive end out
Speaker 1: of Alabama, and the comp is Josh Allen, the pass rusher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's similar athletic Bendy.
Speaker 1: Tennis Tron Arnold Terry and Arnold the cornerback out of Alabama.
Speaker 1: The comp is Patrick certain the second who.
Speaker 2: Might be the best corner to league might be I
Speaker 2: think Arnold's a little more slot physical. Their styles the same.
Speaker 1: Uh at eleven is Talasi fa Wagga, the offensive tackle
Speaker 1: at Oregon State, and the comp is Lane Johnson.
Speaker 2: He doesn't move like Lane Johnson. Lane Johnson round like
Speaker 2: a four to seven like dightened to me. I've heard
Speaker 2: Lane Johnson comparisons their tight ends turned right tackles in
Speaker 2: Oklahoma that can really run.
Speaker 1: Twelve is Brock Bowers, the title of Georgia and the
Speaker 1: Pro compass Sam Laporta. They're different too, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Bowers is kind of a get open, quick, really good
Speaker 2: after the catch too.
Speaker 1: I might more Go and Kincaid Yeah, yeah, they're more
Speaker 1: similar in size yeah and usage. Yeah. Thirteen is Jared Diversity,
Speaker 1: the defensive end out of Florida State. The comp is
Speaker 1: Matthew Judon power Players.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that one.
Speaker 1: Fourteen is Brian Thomas Junior, the wide receiver out of LSU.
Speaker 1: That's as high as I think.
Speaker 2: I said. That's pretty rich for him too.
Speaker 1: The Pro comp a stable George Pickens. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't get that now why you need the stability
Speaker 2: part to add to it? But body control, length, downfield reception,
Speaker 2: similar body types, basketball type of a build. I see
Speaker 2: that part.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Fifteen Byron Murphy, the second the defensive tackle of
Speaker 1: Texas Pro Comp Aaron Donald's little brother.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a short Geno Atkins type. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sixteen is lay to the defensive end at of UCLA,
Speaker 1: and the pro comp is Jalen Phillips on and off
Speaker 1: the field. I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2: Well, they both retired because the injuries and then rejuvenated
Speaker 2: themselves in the PAC ten and we're gonna be first
Speaker 2: round picks.
Speaker 1: Seventeen is Tyler Geiton the pro comp is Anton Harrison.
Speaker 2: They're both Oklahoma guys, but I think it stops there.
Speaker 1: I'd I'd rather have geiten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, even then the draft version areas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't love Harrison.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Eighteen is Troy Fatanu, the guard from Washington, and the
Speaker 1: pro comp is Brandon Shirf.
Speaker 2: No, he was a tackle at Iowa that went to guard. Okay,
Speaker 2: I was thanks Gronky's the low hanging fruit there.
Speaker 1: But nineteen is Jerson Newton, the defensive tackle out of Illinois,
Speaker 1: and the pro comp is Greedy Jarrett.
Speaker 2: Also the short, short field in the stocky attacking.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Twenty Cooper dejen the cornerback out of Iowa, and
Speaker 1: the pro comp is luxurious snead but white. So some
Speaker 1: people want to play him at safety.
Speaker 2: It's just kind of funny. I thought he might be Seahorn,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Can see them.
Speaker 2: See he's actually started some safety in his career too.
Speaker 1: But the safety stuff to me with with Dejene isn't
Speaker 1: just because he's white. Because of his size.
Speaker 2: He's so physical and he's so big. I mean, Sneve's
Speaker 2: a really good comfort him. The way I think about it,
Speaker 2: I think the Jeane's actually more athletic. But Sneed started
Speaker 2: as a mid mid to late round picking was a
Speaker 2: fifth something like that. He didn't come in a league
Speaker 2: like the Jeene safety slot special team or just got
Speaker 2: better and better and better. And I follows Ones all
Speaker 2: over the field.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love Degene.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Twenty one j C. Latham, laugh them I should say
Speaker 1: offensive kid Latham or.
Speaker 2: Latham, I'd be calling him Latham.
Speaker 1: Okay. The comp is Juan Taylor minus the flags.
Speaker 2: Okay, better, better, better? Yeah.
Speaker 1: Twenty two are Marius Mims, the offensive tackle from Georgia
Speaker 1: Pro comp Evan Neil pre draft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Neil was kind of freaky. I think
Speaker 2: Mims is more talented than Neil. Neil is always considered
Speaker 2: very cerebral and more experienced. He scares me a little bit, mems, mims.
Speaker 2: I want to learn more.
Speaker 1: The more I study him like this, I would have
Speaker 1: like to see him play more.
Speaker 2: That's a concern. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Twenty three JJ McCarthy the pro comp is an athletic
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2: Not to make this all about race, but why not
Speaker 2: just pick an athletic fellow that has darker skin than
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because he is.
Speaker 2: Much more athletic than Kirk Cousins. Yeah, that that's a
Speaker 2: terrible call.
Speaker 1: Twenty four in this Rekestraw, the cornerback out of Missouri
Speaker 1: the Pro comp is Denzel Ward.
Speaker 2: He's bigger, bigger than right, not the same body type.
Speaker 2: Ward's a good player.
Speaker 1: But twenty five Quinny and Mitchell. The cornerback out of
Speaker 1: Toledo in the pro comp is Jalen Johnson.
Speaker 2: That's a good one. Yeah, I can live with that.
Speaker 1: Twenty six is Bo Nicks and the pro comp is
Speaker 1: Jared Goff.
Speaker 2: Golf throws ball a lot better. Yeah, I mean Goff
Speaker 2: throws a ball like a first overall pick. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: Nix is more efficient. I actually think Knicks has is
Speaker 2: like Drew Brees, michelb Lighte. Yeah, michelob Baltra. I mean
Speaker 2: I just said his style of play is more efficient.
Speaker 2: Golf can sling it. Uh.
Speaker 1: Twenty seven. Kean Coleman, the wide receiver at of Florida
Speaker 1: State in the comp is Nico Collins.
Speaker 2: Okay, Like, no one's gonna say Kelvin Benjamin No, but
Speaker 2: he could be killing could Yeah. That's a cool thing
Speaker 2: that Matt Waldman does is he does just skill position
Speaker 2: players sort of for fantasy. But he'll say, best case scenario,
Speaker 2: here's a spectrum he's on, right, Yeah, he's Yeah, they're
Speaker 2: all a lot of like Devonte Parker, Like that's not great. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but not everyone hits.
Speaker 1: Twenty eight Jackson powers Johnson in the Pro comp is Dawson.
Speaker 1: Frank Ragnow that's going Yeah. I might note Frank Ragnow
Speaker 1: in his draft, which was twenty eighteen, went with the
Speaker 1: twentieth pick in the draft.
Speaker 2: Hey did another big bruiser, bad dude, and might be
Speaker 2: now that Kelree center, now that Kelsey's retired, he might
Speaker 2: be number one. He might be number one. Health has
Speaker 2: been a little concerned he plays for he plays. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's tough. That's a great.
Speaker 1: Your name is Rag now you got to play through?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I always said they're Vikings, Rag Lothbrook whatever
Speaker 2: his name was.
Speaker 1: Twenty nine Darius Robinson the defensive Charles omenahey a manaho Omnaho.
Speaker 2: Yeah, get yeah, more talented to mena who but big end.
Speaker 2: That's also a tackle, you know, tough fit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Thirty at Donnie Mitchell, someone fast, t Higgins.
Speaker 2: Oh, I always get the two Texas guys worthyes, reumer.
Speaker 1: Donny Mitchell's sixty or tall, skinny yeah yeah, two hundred pounder.
Speaker 2: No, that's a good one.
Speaker 1: Uh. Thirty one is Xavier Worthy. He's the skinny one, tall, skinny,
Speaker 1: he's like six too. Yeah yeah. His his comp is
Speaker 1: a full sized this Shawn Jackson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well he's that kind of speed. He has
Speaker 2: that kind of speed's just taller, longer, kind of advante
Speaker 2: Smith body type yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh. Thirty two kool Aid McKinstry the cornerback out of
Speaker 1: Alabama and the pro comp is Charvarius Ward.
Speaker 2: Ward's a good player, seem Sunday.
Speaker 1: Thirty three Chris Braswell, the defensive end out of Alabama.
Speaker 1: The pro comp is Harold Landry.
Speaker 2: I have like Landry's career. He's been a little up
Speaker 2: and down. But okay.
Speaker 1: Thirty four Lad mcconkeye the wide receiver out of Georgia.
Speaker 2: I bet it's not Thurell Owens.
Speaker 1: The pro comp is pookin the Kua. He's a lot
Speaker 1: smaller than the similar at all. Yeah, he's a lot
Speaker 1: small as like two twenty five. And he's a lot
Speaker 1: big dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean McConkie's not because the color of his skin,
Speaker 2: people think he's welker. He's bigger than that in terms
Speaker 2: of length and height, but he's not thick like Nakula,
Speaker 2: who is hard to tackle.
Speaker 1: The Coop is like a mini tight end.
Speaker 2: Yeah ye him, and he cracks back on d ns
Speaker 2: and things like that. He's like Cooper Cup.
Speaker 1: Thirty five Michael Pennix, the quarterback as Washington.
Speaker 2: This is okay?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 2: Michael Vick to It can't beat Michael Vick. Well, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be someone that's has more pigment than me. That's
Speaker 2: a lefty.
Speaker 1: You're wrong, I see.
Speaker 2: I compared him Philip Rivers. Everyone lost their mind, like
Speaker 2: lefty Kirk Cousins. I can see that he throws ball
Speaker 2: better than Cousins. Yeah, I mean just the flick of the.
Speaker 1: Ball comes out. Yeah, real easy.
Speaker 2: He doesn't move very well though at all. Now.
Speaker 1: Uh thirty six to Andre Sweat, that big defensive tackle
Speaker 1: in Texas, Vita Vea, Okay.
Speaker 2: He ain't No Vitavea, Vidaves pretty special alert.
Speaker 1: And Vitaveo went on like, what twelfth in the draft?
Speaker 2: Maybe earlier?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh thirty seven Jatavian Sanders, the tight end out of Texas.
Speaker 1: How did Texas have a better passing game last year?
Speaker 1: By the way?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Really you got three top forty picks catching the
Speaker 2: ball and the top top running back. Yeah okay yeah.
Speaker 1: The Pro comm David and Joku. Does that mean he
Speaker 1: drops a lot of passes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Joku's I think smoother. That's not a bad one.
Speaker 1: Uh thirty eight Chop Robinson, the defensive end out of
Speaker 1: Penn State. I think he's like in the dock Way,
Speaker 1: Josh Sweat.
Speaker 2: Similar The dockway doesn't sound as good right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't get this one doesn't make sense to
Speaker 1: me at all. The Vontees Walker, the wide receiver out
Speaker 1: of North Carolina. Who would you.
Speaker 2: Think, big, fast downfield, kind of a small forward body type,
Speaker 2: bad hands. I'm really bad at colms. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you know this about me. I hate doing comms,
Speaker 2: but I like to criticize other people.
Speaker 1: The comp here is Tyler Boyd. Oh No, Tyler Boyd
Speaker 1: ran like a four to six five.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't even be close in a race. And I
Speaker 2: don't want him operating out the slot and looking safeties
Speaker 2: and doing the dirty work. He's on to move the
Speaker 2: chain slower, dude.
Speaker 1: I mean Tyler boy is a football player first, Yeah, yah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't think the wide receiver.
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's a good comp at all.
Speaker 2: No. I wouldn't want Boyd doing his stuff, and I
Speaker 2: wouldn't want him doing Boyd stuff.
Speaker 1: No, not at all. Uh. Forty Nate Wiggins, the cornerback
Speaker 1: at a Clemson corners are pretty tough for Yeah. The
Speaker 1: pro compas Cam Taylor britt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, long, athletic, kind of straight lineish.
Speaker 1: Forty one Graham Barton, the offensive lineman at a Duke.
Speaker 1: The comp is Peter Skeronsky.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think Barton will be a center and Scaranski's
Speaker 2: a guard. They're both versatile and really good on film.
Speaker 2: Bad college. I mean not great college program smart.
Speaker 1: Forty two Tyler Nuban, the safety out of Minnesota. The
Speaker 1: comp is Justin Simmons Snowban that big. Simmons is like
Speaker 1: six to three six two, is he?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But Simmons is more of a free though more strong.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they're both pretty versatile.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Forty three Jordan Morgan, the offensive tackle whatever Arizona.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have a camp for him.
Speaker 1: Compass Dean Dawkins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I mean he's a thicker bodied, might be
Speaker 2: a guard, might be a guard, might be a guard. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Forty four Adsa Isaac, the defensive end at Penn State.
Speaker 1: And the compass boy A Mafey.
Speaker 2: That's a good one. Yeah. It might be more athletic.
Speaker 2: I mean he might be a better tester than Mafey.
Speaker 2: In a couple of weeks, it was a pretty good testing.
Speaker 2: He was good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh. Forty five Junior Colson, the linebacker out of Michigan
Speaker 1: who we got in our mock draft.
Speaker 2: Did you have him yesterday?
Speaker 1: Much later than this, I might add, And the pro
Speaker 1: compa is Nick Bolton.
Speaker 2: Bolton's shorter, squattier, but they're both leaders. Yeah, get everyone
Speaker 2: aligned We've talked to us a little this week. The Chiefs.
Speaker 2: Who's four off the ball linebackers, but Bolton still never
Speaker 2: leaves the field. I mean he's a very very important
Speaker 2: part of their He's the dude. Yeah, he's the dude. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Forty Yeah. Zach Fraser, the center out of West Virginia, the.
Speaker 2: Pro former wrestler.
Speaker 1: I would pick Tyler Linderbaum.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a great wrestler. Yeah, yeah, Okay, I
Speaker 2: like that. He's bigger than Leonderbaum, bigger than Bomb, but yeah.
Speaker 1: Forty seven Patrick Paul the offensive tackle out of Houston.
Speaker 2: Armind Gilliam, Carl Malone, Morgan, Moses. Oh, he's a lot
Speaker 2: more athletic than Moses, though Moses is tough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's not light on his feet, no, no.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Forty eight Malachai Corley, the wide receiver out of Western Contempo.
Speaker 2: Is gonna be the one everyone says, but that's a
Speaker 2: little rich.
Speaker 1: A Monross Saint Brown.
Speaker 2: Some Brown's better than all of them, probably, but I
Speaker 2: don't know. He's that kind of route runner. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: love the physicality, physical aspect, yeah, and kind of their
Speaker 2: build and hard to tackle and fight for every yard.
Speaker 2: But I mean from mon Ross.
Speaker 1: Saint Brown reminds me of heinz Ward a lot.
Speaker 2: I mean, just such a great route runner. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh. Forty nine Braylan Srice, the defensive end out of Washington.
Speaker 1: The pro comp is Arnold.
Speaker 2: Yeah okay, yeah, I mean that's mckenny's book's not really
Speaker 2: written yet, but that's kind of prospect. He was coming
Speaker 2: out of Penn State.
Speaker 1: And then fifty is Peyton Wilson, the linebacker out of
Speaker 1: North Carolina State, and the comp is Layton vander Esh injuries.
Speaker 2: Yeah there. I don't think Vandersh has long arms either.
Speaker 2: There's a little stiffness there, but good football players. I
Speaker 2: mean he was a first round pick too, right and Vandersh,
Speaker 2: yeah he was. That was the throw Evans here. Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't envy comps. I think that's really hard to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just throw some names out there.
Speaker 2: But I like the way the Walman does it that
Speaker 2: I mentioned, like, he plays this style and if it
Speaker 2: goes bad, he's gonna end up like this guy who's
Speaker 2: a miss and if it goes well, but it also
Speaker 2: shows that style. You know that prototype sometimes has a
Speaker 2: harder time hitting than others. You know, when you look
Speaker 2: at that one.
Speaker 1: Jade and Daniels. A better passing Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2: That's Patriots to be pretty happy at three with that.
Speaker 2: Lamar can throw the ball pretty well, folks. No one
Speaker 2: seems to get that.
Speaker 1: Well. But he's coming into the league with the guy
Speaker 1: who's a mix between Patrick Mahomes and Russell Wilson's too,
Speaker 1: and a shorter Josh Allen. So this is a great
Speaker 1: quarterback draft apparently.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You think all those guys gonna be historic? Wow? Yeah,
Speaker 2: Mahomes reigned at the top. Isn't for long, No, And
Speaker 2: we're going to knock him off this class.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, We're gonna get to another break. He is the
Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lollie. You're listening to the drive
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Speaker 1: right after this. Welcome back. I'm Dale Lollly. He is
Speaker 1: the Matt Williamson. And as we've done every day this week, Matt,
Speaker 1: let's take a look at a position potentially of need
Speaker 1: for the Steelers and the potential free agents that are
Speaker 1: going to be hitting the market here at that at
Speaker 1: that position, and today we're going to take a look
Speaker 1: at the safety market.
Speaker 2: This is usually a pretty keen friendly position that you
Speaker 2: can shop at, and I think it's there's a real
Speaker 2: good chance of Steelers add one of these names we mentioned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, she got And again I'm looking at these
Speaker 1: on spot track in terms of snap counts last year.
Speaker 1: So number one on there is Cameron Curl from Washington.
Speaker 2: People don't know who he is, I bet, but they
Speaker 2: franchised him last year. He's one of the only bright
Speaker 2: spots on a horrendous defense and a horrendous secondary.
Speaker 1: Problem is they franchised.
Speaker 2: He's a expensive right, Like you might be like, oh,
Speaker 2: that sounds good, it'd be good next to Maka, and
Speaker 2: like he's gonna be ten million, twelve million. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a lot, not gonna be cheap.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Jordan Whitehead from the Jets. He played one thousand, thousand
Speaker 1: and sixty nine snaps, ninety seven tackles, and four interceptions
Speaker 1: last year.
Speaker 2: I think he's got a lot of slot capabilities. He's
Speaker 2: not huge, but he's reliable. Pit defensive backs do well
Speaker 2: on it ros.
Speaker 1: I mean, they played they played so much man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're well coached. They play a lot
Speaker 2: of man i'd consider it. I don't know if he's
Speaker 2: from around here or not. I don't care, but I
Speaker 2: mean that would add up.
Speaker 1: The interesting thing about this is they usually they'll put
Speaker 1: them market value on guys they think are going to
Speaker 1: get big contracts. They don't have a market value on
Speaker 1: Jordan Whitehead.
Speaker 2: Wow, I mean she could get him. It's a little
Speaker 2: more than you're paying KZ or whatever. I'd be real
Speaker 2: into that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Xavier McKinney from the Giants, he's only twenty four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a really early second round pick out
Speaker 2: of Bama too. More strong his market value. You told
Speaker 2: me this one off the air, and I was blown away.
Speaker 1: Ten point four million.
Speaker 2: That's a lot for a safety.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I could see a team with a lot of caps
Speaker 2: face doing it though, because of his age and he
Speaker 2: keeps getting better, it'd be a great addition. But that's
Speaker 2: a lot to spend, A.
Speaker 1: Lot to spend.
Speaker 2: How much you're giving makeup.
Speaker 1: Kyle Duggar, I love him.
Speaker 2: I think he's Gonnat franchise too, which is sort of surprising.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they get the money to spend they do.
Speaker 2: You know, they don't want to mess with the defense.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't be the offense to be all new, but
Speaker 2: they don't want to mess with the defense.
Speaker 1: I don't expect he's going anywhere now. Yeah, Antoine Winfield
Speaker 1: is the first true free safety we got on here,
Speaker 1: and he's not going anywhere. And his market value is
Speaker 1: like eighteen million.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he's gonna be one the high paid defensive
Speaker 2: backs in the league. And he does it all and
Speaker 2: he's a great player, but he ain't going anywhere.
Speaker 1: Jordan Fuller with the Rams.
Speaker 2: Interesting, I get the fullers mixed up. There's a Fuller
Speaker 2: from the corner. There are two fullers, both are up
Speaker 2: for free agency this year, and this is the strong safety.
Speaker 1: He'll turn twenty six here in another month or so.
Speaker 1: But he had ninety three tackles, three interceptions, three forced
Speaker 1: fumbles last year.
Speaker 2: And say I think he'd be an upgrade. I mean,
Speaker 2: you look at you. Yeah. Is he six million?
Speaker 1: They don't have a market value on him either. He
Speaker 1: made He's coming off a season he made eight sixty
Speaker 1: six last year.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's the end of his rookie deal.
Speaker 1: And his rookie deal.
Speaker 2: He's not a superright pick. But maybe he's less than
Speaker 2: six million. Maybe he's a two year, nine million die
Speaker 2: or something like that.
Speaker 1: He got Julian Blackman from the Colts. He's still just
Speaker 1: twenty five years old. Four interceptions last year. Good football player.
Speaker 2: More free than strong, but I think he can do
Speaker 2: figure that out. Yeah, he can figure that out. Did
Speaker 2: they have a marked value on him?
Speaker 1: They do not.
Speaker 2: Okay, he's another one that's pretty interesting. I think you
Speaker 2: get one of those dudes at a nice price.
Speaker 1: Geno Stone, he's from around here, right, he's from Newcastle.
Speaker 1: I believe he had a bunch of picks, seven interceptions
Speaker 1: last year. Doesn't tackle real well.
Speaker 2: No, I mean he's their third safety.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: I wish him the best if he's a Pittsburgh guy.
Speaker 2: But that's just the pro too. That's just the style
Speaker 2: of free agents gets overpaid. Yeah, you know, coming off
Speaker 2: of first contract, big year, a lot of interceptions, some
Speaker 2: of them could be fluky. I mean, really good defense,
Speaker 2: you know, but he's the third best safety on the team.
Speaker 1: Alloy Gilman more of a free. He did have a
Speaker 1: couple of picks last year for the Chargers, but their
Speaker 1: defense was off off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Durwin's a strong, He's more of the
Speaker 2: free but has some versatility. He'll be a starter somewhere.
Speaker 1: Deshaun Elliott not bad. Yeah, he's still just twenty six.
Speaker 1: He'll turn twenty seven this offseason.
Speaker 2: He's fine, serviceable. Yeah, yeah, these guys won't cost much
Speaker 2: in this neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Jay Ron Curse is gonna be thirty here. I probably
Speaker 1: don't want to go that route.
Speaker 2: Probably not. They're too old on defense.
Speaker 1: Michael Hydees thirty three. You're not going to go that route.
Speaker 2: Cavon Wallace, he has a little bit of a corner background.
Speaker 2: I remember Bama.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't know a ton about how he's been used.
Speaker 2: I'd be shocked if.
Speaker 1: He played him. They played him in safety last year
Speaker 1: with the Titans. Yeah, still just twenty six, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and maybe he's more of a third safety. In a
Speaker 1: perfect world, M'd me play some nickel. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an interesting name. I'd like to do a
Speaker 2: little more homework on him.
Speaker 1: Jonathan Owens, who was with the Packers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know a ton about him either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just looking here. Uh, Ryan Neil Now, Darnell
Speaker 1: Savage is a name that people are going to bring up.
Speaker 2: I know, and I think we both liked him a
Speaker 2: lot coming out of school. Yeah, yeah, and tested great.
Speaker 2: They're down on him though.
Speaker 1: I just didn't.
Speaker 2: Something was missing on that defense and they Packer fan
Speaker 2: will blame Joe Berry, the defensive coordinator, heavily and he's
Speaker 2: been let go, But Savage regressed Jarry Alexander apparently once out.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of secondary upheaval. A lot of guys
Speaker 2: are free agents in that secondary. I think you mentioned
Speaker 2: Owen's isn't here from there, and Nicks the returner is
Speaker 2: also up. I don't know what's going on there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but maybe Savage you get on a one year to
Speaker 2: prove it deal and hope he's not much of a tackler. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's it's you know, but he can fly around and
Speaker 2: he's versatile. John Johnson still twenty eight, Still twenty eight. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it seems like every year ever. Yeah, he signs a
Speaker 2: big contract with the Browns and then he goes back
Speaker 2: to the Rams. Yeah. I don't love twenty eight. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but he's been I would have guess he's older than that.
Speaker 1: This is one that that I've already seen thrown out there.
Speaker 1: The Steelers need to bring back Terrell Edmands.
Speaker 2: He could be my third Yeah, I don't want as
Speaker 2: a starter. I mean, not that he's terrible, he just
Speaker 2: doesn't make enough plays and kind of anything eater.
Speaker 1: You know, he had a big interception last year for
Speaker 1: the Titans.
Speaker 2: In that game. Yeah, the Steelers needed them to win
Speaker 2: that one.
Speaker 1: It's re elevants. Came up with the big the big pick.
Speaker 2: I mean, if it's week twelve and there's injuries or
Speaker 2: you know, like there were his past year, I'd rather
Speaker 2: have Edmunds out there than Yella brew. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: but I don't want to go into season with Edmunds
Speaker 2: and Fitzpatrick only.
Speaker 1: Taylor rap mm hmm.
Speaker 2: More more strong. I think he has a lot of penalties.
Speaker 1: He was looking for more strong. Yeah, yeah, free and.
Speaker 2: He'll hit you. I bet she. I was he twenty seven?
Speaker 1: He's twenty six.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a pretty high pick, right, Wasn't he
Speaker 2: a second.
Speaker 1: Round somewhere in that range? Yeah? Yeah, let's see here,
Speaker 1: anybody else Jeremy Chin.
Speaker 2: That one's interesting because there's more going on there because
Speaker 2: the old coordinator before this year loved them, and Chin
Speaker 2: looked like a foundational player, early second round pick, great tester, size, speed, dude,
Speaker 2: almost he was supposed to be dug or light. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was the same draft class, both small school guys,
Speaker 2: and he didn't His knap counts are down right. I
Speaker 2: mean he kind of got benched this year.
Speaker 1: He played two hundred and sixty four snaps last year,
Speaker 1: but he had twenty eight tackles.
Speaker 2: See like him and Savage, you know, if you can
Speaker 2: get them cheap and they're kind of at a weird
Speaker 2: spot in their career.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of It's kind of what the Steelers
Speaker 1: did with Killer Brew was a second round pick for
Speaker 1: the line.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: People forget that he was like, he was a highly
Speaker 1: touted guy out and so you take a chance on
Speaker 1: that guy. At worst, he's a good a solid special
Speaker 1: teams player.
Speaker 2: For you, Yeah, exactly. And I don't know what's like.
Speaker 2: I don't foresee Savage being a special team or maybe
Speaker 2: Chin realizes that's his only route to stay in the league.
Speaker 2: I don't know. The change of scenery for a super
Speaker 2: talented guy station is worth the risk for me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, for a guy that was, you know, highly thought
Speaker 1: of at one point not that long ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, unless there's something they're missing. Did he play
Speaker 2: all year with a knee that I don't know about? Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: This is another guy that's liked him coming out of
Speaker 1: the draft a few years ago, Ashton Davis with the Jets.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, as a COLU. Yeah, he had three interceptions
Speaker 1: last year one hundred and sixty nine defensives.
Speaker 2: I liked him with a lot coming out. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: would think he's not super expensive. He was a rangy
Speaker 2: free safety type. But it's not like he can't come
Speaker 2: near to the line of scrimmage either. You know, it's
Speaker 2: not bad. I might take two of these and hope
Speaker 2: one hits you know what I mean, It's.
Speaker 1: Not the worst that you could do. Uh, Chauncey Gardner
Speaker 1: Johnson is going to be available. I don't want to
Speaker 1: touch him. Everybody everybody hates him.
Speaker 2: Everybody hates him, his teammates and he used to fight
Speaker 2: Michael Thomas in practice.
Speaker 1: But he's talented.
Speaker 2: He's talented. He might have a screw loose, He's can
Speaker 2: play this loot.
Speaker 1: He made six point five though last year with Detroit.
Speaker 1: I doubt I doubt he's going to take lesson and
Speaker 1: he was hurt a lot.
Speaker 2: He was hurt a lot, and that's part of the issue. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you'd have to know his his psychology and his personality.
Speaker 1: Might need his own psychologists. Yeah, because everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of those guys are Matthew Barnaby that you
Speaker 2: know that if he's on your team, you love him
Speaker 2: as a pesky third line wing guy on in hockey,
Speaker 2: but you don't want to play against him because he's
Speaker 2: nasty as could be. Or he might just have a
Speaker 2: screw loose and wants to fight everybody in the world
Speaker 2: and you don't want to be around him, you know,
Speaker 2: So I would imagine they would know that answer.
Speaker 1: But he can play, Yeah, he can play. Who else
Speaker 1: is on here that interests me? Look, obviously kill a
Speaker 1: Brew is on there. Yeah, we'll see what I mean.
Speaker 1: He's a special team. He's a great if you can
Speaker 1: bring him back to the special team, and that's great.
Speaker 2: They usually have two or three. They're making money at
Speaker 2: that position, right special.
Speaker 1: Rest of these guys really didn't play a whole lot.
Speaker 1: So that's what she was kind of looking at there.
Speaker 1: But there's a bunch of names on there that I'd
Speaker 1: be interested in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, none of them are crazy expensive. You know, you're
Speaker 2: not gonna get Winfield, You're not gonna get Curl, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, but that's not a bad place to shop
Speaker 2: to find a starter you can more than live with. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you just look at these as strictly as the
Speaker 1: guys listed as strong, I mean, it's it. That's where
Speaker 1: the strength of this is. Because you can find those guys. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not rare and they don't get paid a ton. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but you need you need them, You need them. The
Speaker 2: middle of the field will be helpful. They could have
Speaker 2: used that guy this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you'd like them to to take the ball
Speaker 1: away a little bit as well.
Speaker 2: I mean, an ideal world sign one of these dudes
Speaker 2: draft on the fourth round. I don't know if you
Speaker 2: have enough draft picks to go around to pull that off,
Speaker 2: but you might buy draft time. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's, you know, kind of what they were
Speaker 1: trying to do with with KZ and Neil this year.
Speaker 1: Most of the time Neil played early in the season,
Speaker 1: he started a strong safety yeah yeah, and they played
Speaker 1: KZ at free when they wanted to bump Fitzpatrick down
Speaker 1: to do some other stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you want to get a guy that
Speaker 2: will free up Fitzpatrick to do other things. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: With that QUI so you do need another free there.
Speaker 2: You also don't want to get super old there. If
Speaker 2: it's Killer Brew, a twenty seven year old a Menka
Speaker 2: and you're only keeping four, it's like you know where
Speaker 2: it would.
Speaker 1: Because Killer Brew is going to be thirty one this offseason.
Speaker 2: I would imagine he's a one year deal if you
Speaker 2: bring him back. Yeah, yeah, and you don't really want
Speaker 2: him playing defense.
Speaker 1: That's the idea. Yeah, I mean you probably, I mean,
Speaker 1: live with it. They kept five this year.
Speaker 2: They didn't keep five this year?
Speaker 1: You know, so is Row one of those guys?
Speaker 2: It's that's in that mix, is going to be a
Speaker 2: Steeler next year, at least to what I saw.
Speaker 1: I got no problem with that. Now again, year old,
Speaker 1: then you need to draft one, I know, or get
Speaker 1: one of these younger players.
Speaker 2: Or your first round pick next year is safety and
Speaker 2: just be old there for a year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if I'm I don't.
Speaker 2: Love that either. It's it's kind of the whole defensive dilemma.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, so if I can go get a
Speaker 1: Julian Blackman at twenty five, who can that's a nice
Speaker 1: one who can play either fore or strong with Row
Speaker 1: Yeah and Killer Brew, Yeah, I think that's a better
Speaker 1: way to approach it.
Speaker 2: I mean needs a side. I don't think you ever
Speaker 2: turned your nose up at a second through fifth round
Speaker 2: safety either. Yeah, especially they have slot capabilities or you know,
Speaker 2: if you don't, if your slot corner is not set,
Speaker 2: you know, we don't know who that is going to
Speaker 2: be right now. Yeah, me be an interesting puzzle because
Speaker 2: you don't want to be a bunch of twenty six
Speaker 2: twenty eight.
Speaker 1: I mean in an ideal where DoD you just go
Speaker 1: out and sign Jordan Whitehead. Yeah, but you're not gonna
Speaker 1: be able to afford that.
Speaker 2: What do you think he makes? I didn't think he
Speaker 2: would be crazy expensive.
Speaker 1: I don't five or six played one thousand snaps last
Speaker 1: year and he had four interceptions. They don't have a
Speaker 1: market value on here. But he's probably going to be
Speaker 1: I doubt he's ten. He's not going to be ten,
Speaker 1: but probably over five.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you want to you know, Minkus not cheap?
Speaker 2: No, he's not, he's not. It's a good question.
Speaker 1: But he's a twenty six year old. Don't soon to
Speaker 1: be twenty seven year old. I mean no, if you're
Speaker 1: going to attack it, if you're going to attack it,
Speaker 1: and spend the money on a guy and then go
Speaker 1: added a late later round draft pick. I would get
Speaker 1: that because the late round draft pick is probably gonna
Speaker 1: play a lot of special teams for you. And Okay,
Speaker 1: but you know idea in an ideal world, I mean,
Speaker 1: you want to be able to use Minca in a
Speaker 1: lot of different ways, so you really need two other
Speaker 1: guys there to make that happen. If one's row or
Speaker 1: is this a situation that you'd like to just take
Speaker 1: Menca and say you're the free safety and his career.
Speaker 1: Probably it would probably extend his career.
Speaker 2: It probably keeps him on the field more. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: not the worst idea, but it's sure nice yourself.
Speaker 1: A good nickel would be the yeah, would be the
Speaker 1: other option for that.
Speaker 2: And signing nickel corners isn't hard.
Speaker 1: Or you get a strong safety that can do some
Speaker 1: of those tight end coverages that you've been using Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: I think that's in the cards no matter what. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean most safeties now, especially entering the league, have
Speaker 2: slot capabilities that those lines are getting blurred really quick.
Speaker 2: Slot corners people don't want the Hiltons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so maybe maybe you do go get a guy
Speaker 1: that you know, a chin that can to me too.
Speaker 1: He might be a dime linebacker too, right, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe that you can do some different then to dig
Speaker 1: into those things, you know, why was he not on
Speaker 1: the field as much as you thought? They're more than
Speaker 1: you know, because honestly, I don't want to have to
Speaker 1: use making Fitzpatrick that way. I know he can do it,
Speaker 1: but he got hurt a lot this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wouldn't break my heart if he played Deep
Speaker 2: Metal of the rest of his career. Well, yeah, he
Speaker 2: was the best guy and EDREI did, and Earl Thomas.
Speaker 1: It up and have that career like yeah, sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm signing.
Speaker 2: Up for that, So yeah, it's not bad.
Speaker 1: Anyways, let's get to another break. He is the Matt Williamson.
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Speaker 1: numerous reports out there, we've been on the air, so
Speaker 1: it's kind of yes that the this According to Jerry Dulux,
Speaker 1: Steelers have hired former New York Jets assistant Zach Azani
Speaker 1: is their wide receivers coach and former Chargers assistant Tom
Speaker 1: Arth as the quarterback coach. He was the past Arth
Speaker 1: was the past game specialist, uh for the Chargers, but
Speaker 1: he's not going to assume that role for with the Steelers.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: They're still trying to figure out some kind of arrangement
Speaker 1: with Mike Sullivan as well.
Speaker 2: Okay, so none of it's quite official yet, but that's
Speaker 2: what seems like it's in the works. Assistant coaches almost
Speaker 2: impossible to call me. Yeah, I mean, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be like, well, the Chargers fired
Speaker 2: their guy, so this guy doesn't have any clue what
Speaker 2: he's doing. I mean, he might have helped Justin Herbert tremendously.
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I don't know the answer to it.
Speaker 2: I'm also not going to credit the wide receiver coach
Speaker 2: for making Garrett Wilson really good. He probably would have
Speaker 2: been good with me as a receiver coach or you
Speaker 2: or anybody else who the heck knows. I kind of
Speaker 2: like that Sullivan sounds likely to be back, you know
Speaker 2: a little bit of what you had last year relationship
Speaker 2: with Pickett. Yeah, and I like that they went outside
Speaker 2: the organization from three different organizations. You know, let's get
Speaker 2: some new ideas, let's get some fresh blood and see
Speaker 2: how it goes. I mean again, it's just hard to comment.
Speaker 1: On yeah, I mean until I get to see them
Speaker 1: actually on the field, working and talking to guys about them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people in the.
Speaker 1: Organization like, boy, he's really bright, or yeah it's atletally new,
Speaker 1: or you know, right, give me seeing how they run
Speaker 1: their practices and things of that nature. I can't.
Speaker 2: I mean, who knows, who knows? I mean, just reading
Speaker 2: a resume, it's hard to say. I looked up Arth
Speaker 2: at the break real quick. John Carroll guy, I mean,
Speaker 2: was with the micron zips there for two years. Cool.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, is he from this area
Speaker 2: of the country. I don't know. I assume If I assume.
Speaker 1: Somewhere those spots western Pennsylvania, eastern Ohio.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but who the heck knows. Hopefully it works out.
Speaker 2: But I like how they've conducted their offensive search and
Speaker 2: didn't just bump people up, and you know, they went
Speaker 2: outside the organization.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you just don't You just don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and people will complain about it regardless,
Speaker 1: that's just what happens.
Speaker 2: How could you get someone from the Jets, they were
Speaker 2: one of the worst offenses in the league. How could
Speaker 2: get someone from the Chargers? They had Herbert? You know,
Speaker 2: I will say this idea.
Speaker 1: Arth spent three seasons with the Colts in the Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning era?
Speaker 2: Oh did he?
Speaker 1: So you get a little Tom Moore there, you get
Speaker 1: a little Peyton Manning.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, there's some good influences there to learn from. Okay, interesting. So,
Speaker 2: so he's been doing this for a while. He's not
Speaker 2: just the twenty nine year old up and comer then.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and three through two thousand and five. Actually
Speaker 1: he's the Saint Gacious guy from Cleveland.
Speaker 2: Cleveland. Okay, we used to recruit ignacious heavy that's a
Speaker 2: football factory. Yeah, Okay, so he's not so far away.
Speaker 2: I gets it. I like that part.
Speaker 1: I had to laugh again. I was actually I was
Speaker 1: reading through some stuff today and I saw somebody questioned
Speaker 1: this whole idea that Cliff Kingsbury is somehow a bright,
Speaker 1: young offensive mind.
Speaker 2: You must have listened to my podcast and Arthur Smith
Speaker 2: is not right now, Kingsbury might be a swell fellaw.
Speaker 2: But I went back and did homework before my podcast
Speaker 2: today just to kind of look at his background. Think
Speaker 2: about this for a second. His first year as a
Speaker 2: head coach, he had Baker Mayfield, who went on to
Speaker 2: be the first pick in the draft, not because of
Speaker 2: what he did with Kingsbury left the organization, became the
Speaker 2: first pick in the draft. A year went by after
Speaker 2: the Mayfield season, and he had my homes for two years,
Speaker 2: didn't win with him, who went on to be maybe
Speaker 2: the best quarterback that's ever left.
Speaker 1: I think he lost as many games in his two
Speaker 1: seasons with Kingsbury as he lost in his first six seasons.
Speaker 2: It's about saying right exactly with Andy Reid. So then
Speaker 2: he gets hired as the Cardinals head coach, convinces them
Speaker 2: to give up on Josh Rosen, which I'm not going
Speaker 2: to hold again some Rosen didn't do anything anywhere else.
Speaker 2: But he was the eighth pick in the draft the
Speaker 2: year before, so he could have yet another first overall pick. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray consistently lost with Kyler goes to USC with
Speaker 2: who's about to be the first overall pick and that
Speaker 2: guy has his worst year in college.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So he's worked with Mahomes probably the in my opinion,
Speaker 2: the best quarterback that's ever lived and the best one
Speaker 2: on the planet right now, and three inevitable or first
Speaker 2: overall pick quarterbacks and didn't win anything.
Speaker 1: Italy squat with any of them. That occurs to me.
Speaker 1: He's considered a bright young up in con Yes, he's
Speaker 1: forty four. I've just been forty one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I say he's been doing this a
Speaker 2: long time too. I mean he can't be Yeah, I
Speaker 2: didn't know he's forty four, But Arthur Smith looks older.
Speaker 1: He loves a bigger guy as a.
Speaker 2: Former lineman, you know, So I think there's a misconception there.
Speaker 2: But perception is so weird with these assistant coaches.
Speaker 1: It just drives me nuts every time I see you.
Speaker 1: Why didn't the Steelers go hire a hot young assistant
Speaker 1: like Cliff Kingsbury.
Speaker 2: If you're right, right, I mean they act like this
Speaker 2: as a sixty five year old curmudgeon. You know that's
Speaker 2: smoking his cigar.
Speaker 1: And yeah, he's just hire Tom Moore, who's in his
Speaker 1: nineties right and is a great guy.
Speaker 2: But you know, Smith may or may not work out.
Speaker 2: But three seasons ago, he was the definition of the
Speaker 2: hot young coordinator. Yes, that's exactly what he was exactly
Speaker 2: three years ago. I was three years ago, three whole years. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, and he probably learns things didn't go great
Speaker 2: and Atlanta as a head coach, but I'm sure he
Speaker 2: learned some things, you would think. And yeah, one of
Speaker 2: the knocks on Smith, but I think is warranted. As
Speaker 2: as the head coach in Atlanta, he had some any ideas,
Speaker 2: but he didn't when Rabel was in charge of him. Right,
Speaker 2: I don't think he will with Tomlin in charge of him.
Speaker 1: There's a governor that there's now a governor. Screw on
Speaker 1: everything that he does.
Speaker 2: We know who's in charge of the organization, and everything's
Speaker 2: gonna get run by Rabel. And that's when they did great.
Speaker 2: Everyone's gonna run by Tomlin. Okay, we've seen the show.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean he can't draw plays and have an
Speaker 1: offense that can work because he.
Speaker 2: Doesn't get the ball to his best guys. Do you
Speaker 2: say much touches Derrick Henry and AJ Brown, those guys
Speaker 2: got I mean, and I think I told you this,
Speaker 2: but Drake London had the third highest target share of
Speaker 2: any receiver in the league this year. The target chair they.
Speaker 1: Said, throw the ball time right, That doesn't mean they
Speaker 1: won't do it next day. They still got the ball
Speaker 1: to their best guys. They went, they fineled the offense
Speaker 1: through their best guys. And oh, by the way, again,
Speaker 1: when you're complaining about Tyler algayear Tyler als year was
Speaker 1: a running back coming off a thousand yard season. He's
Speaker 1: not bad under Arthur Smith. Yeah, nobody had heard of
Speaker 1: Tyler out year, and they do a lot of creative stuff.
Speaker 1: People look like a very static, boring offense.
Speaker 2: No it isn't. You'll be very shocked with what it
Speaker 2: looks like.
Speaker 1: It's a hell of a lot more unstatic than Cliff
Speaker 1: Kingsbury's offense.
Speaker 2: And I no offense to you listeners. How much Falcons
Speaker 2: tape did you guys watch last year? I mean, come on,
Speaker 2: did you really watch all that much Falcons tape? Were
Speaker 2: they on primetime a lot?
Speaker 1: Were they in the playoffs?
Speaker 2: Did you watch a lot of breakdown a lot of
Speaker 2: offensive Falcons tape? I bet you didn't, just saying maybe
Speaker 2: a couple while you did. But they do some stuff.
Speaker 1: They do some stuff. But yeah, that's every time I
Speaker 1: see that when somebody talks about a hot, young up
Speaker 1: and coming coach like Cliff Kingsbury, who's older than Arthur Smith,
Speaker 1: noticeably noticeably he just looks younger, and well he had
Speaker 1: a cool pad in Phoenix City, you know, but.
Speaker 2: He sounds like an interesting fellow. I mean, I'm wishing
Speaker 2: him the best. I just his resume doesn't do him
Speaker 2: a lot of favors. It really doesn't get three first
Speaker 2: overall quarterbacks and Pat Mahomes. It hasn't want anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it works out for him in Washington, it's all great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this all stem I got asked. I mean,
Speaker 2: would you be concerned if you're a Commander's fan and
Speaker 2: they take a quarterback second overall? Yes, I'd be concerned.
Speaker 1: Well, just laid it out. Yeah, here for this guy
Speaker 1: is not good.
Speaker 2: I hope it works out. They turned Drake May into
Speaker 2: the superstar. But yes I would be concerned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, the whole offensive, the whole assistant coach thing.
Speaker 1: And I don't care who it is.
Speaker 2: Nobody knows. Nobody knows. You know. When I was with
Speaker 2: the team, I would know I had a very strong
Speaker 2: opinion who our good coaches were and who weren't. But
Speaker 2: if I wasn't in those walls every day, I'd have
Speaker 2: no clue. Yeah, I have no clue.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's the product that's put on the field,
Speaker 1: But to your point, the product is only so good
Speaker 1: as you know. It's like making a meal. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: I've got if I just went out and spent eighty
Speaker 1: dollars or one hundred dollars on groceries, I can be
Speaker 1: a pretty good meal.
Speaker 2: I could make a great meal.
Speaker 1: If I'm it's the last day before I go get
Speaker 1: groceries and I'm just digging around in the cupboards to
Speaker 1: figure out what I'm gonna make sure, it's probably not
Speaker 1: going to be as good a meal.
Speaker 2: But if you can make it acceptable and I can
Speaker 2: live with my safeties or quarterbacks with what you have
Speaker 2: in the cupboard left over, that's good coaching. I'm a
Speaker 2: terrible cook. I'd spend one hundred bucks of China Eagle
Speaker 2: and I'd come home and he'd be like, this meal
Speaker 2: is acceptable, but it could be so much better. You know,
Speaker 2: that's the difference.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're right, you know, you know, you work with
Speaker 1: what you got, but sometimes you have more to work
Speaker 1: with and that makes a huge difference.
Speaker 2: Like if the other thing about assistant coaches, and I
Speaker 2: think this is really important, they have bosses, and those
Speaker 2: bosses tell them how to handle their specific position too,
Speaker 2: you know, like all I want to my running back
Speaker 2: not to fumble or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: You know, like that was one of the problems with
Speaker 1: Bijeon last year that Algiers Algira doesn't fumble.
Speaker 2: No, he's a little more reliable to And I.
Speaker 1: Think Bijeon had four. So you know, I get that.
Speaker 1: We've seen it in the past where you know, they
Speaker 1: running a running back of fumble and okay, you're out
Speaker 1: for like an X three series.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, go think about what you did. Yeah,
Speaker 2: go get put the dun or whatever. Right. I think
Speaker 2: I mentioned this stat too with them is Kyle Pitts
Speaker 2: alarmingly had the most uncatchable throws his way. Yeah, times
Speaker 2: a thousand of any tight end in the league. I mean,
Speaker 2: like the next worst or like seventy four percent of
Speaker 2: their passes were deemed catchable. His was like sixty three percent.
Speaker 1: And that goes back to last year too, or two
Speaker 1: years ago. I should say we both had him on
Speaker 1: our fantasy teams.
Speaker 2: He's the most frustrating game watching Marcus.
Speaker 1: Mariota overthrow the six foot six tight end by eight
Speaker 1: feet and he was not fun.
Speaker 2: And his average up part is really high. He's almost
Speaker 2: more of a receiver, but he's out there waving his
Speaker 2: arms and they rode in the stands. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna blame Arthur Smith or Pitts for that when
Speaker 2: he was open moves open. Yeah, Mariota was a lot
Speaker 2: of unaccurate, inaccurate quarterback as you'll find. And Ridder wasn't
Speaker 2: much better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, No, that's what he had to work with again,
Speaker 1: the materials that you had to work with. When he
Speaker 1: got Bryan Tannehill got a lot out of them, who
Speaker 1: was kind.
Speaker 2: Of you know, he was going to bustle.
Speaker 1: That was a leftover. Yeah, Yeah, he made leftovers and
Speaker 1: he turned the leftovers into something pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, went the SC Championship game take that. Yeah, no, no, don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it'll be a success or not,
Speaker 2: but I do think the perception of him is way off. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just maybe it is because he's a bigger dude and.
Speaker 2: He had that to him and the way he's handled
Speaker 2: the media here and there too, and you know, fine,
Speaker 2: I just wanted to design offensive couple it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's forty one, he's not sixty one.
Speaker 2: He's gonna run the ball and run, run, throw, you know, like,
Speaker 2: I don't think that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna run the foot, They're gonna run ball
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're gonna see big people on the field.
Speaker 2: They're gonna run the football. They're gonna do play action
Speaker 2: a lot. I mean that's stuff I can promise you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we haven't really looked yet at the quarterback market.
Speaker 2: Jub Yeah, do it tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We will do that tomorrow. Okay, as we break walls.
Speaker 2: There's some sort of interesting names, and even in that market,
Speaker 2: there's trades more so than you know, could you get
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones. I'm just throwing on names, you know, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that's what I would do. But people
Speaker 2: can be had if you fall in love with someone. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: So we'll talk more about that tomorrow. But Matt, that's
Speaker 1: going to do it for our show today, so already tomorrow,
Speaker 1: we'll also talk a lot of super Bowl. Yeah, make
Speaker 1: the DFS lineup, Picky, We're going to do Captain's Year.
Speaker 1: It's probably the best way to probably the best way
Speaker 1: to do a super Bowl.
Speaker 2: But yeah, think about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of different options in this super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm up for whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at it. Anyways, that's going to do it
Speaker 1: first show today. So for my partner Matt Williamson, for
Speaker 1: Justin Miller here on site keeping us on the air,
Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lellye. We thank you for listening to this
Speaker 1: edition of The Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.