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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: It's almost Fens podcast. We're here tonight with a breaking episode.

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Speaker 3: Is late.

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Speaker 2: It's so late, it's like morning time on the East

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Speaker 2: Coast and a little bit better in Mountain and Pacific time.

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Speaker 2: People are dreaming right now, but we're not because you

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Speaker 2: have some breaking news. Trista is here with me today

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Speaker 2: to break down this news. It's crazy and maybe that's

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Speaker 2: the name for the episode. This is crazy.

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Speaker 4: Perfect title, Trista.

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Speaker 2: You started this whole thing, so you're the blame at

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Speaker 2: some level. We're gonna announcement. Let me just name it here.

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Speaker 2: Taylor Frankie Paul is named the Bachelorette for season twenty two.

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Speaker 2: It's official. The next star the Bachelorette, Taylor Frankie Paul.

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Speaker 2: You may know her as the star of Hulu's Secret

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Speaker 2: Lives of Mormon Wives. She has a huge TikTok following.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I remember three years ago, I think laying

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Speaker 2: in a bed with my wife as she showed me

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Speaker 2: these tiktoks, trying to explain to me what in the

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Speaker 2: world all the fuss was about. Remember then thinking, goodness, gracious,

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Speaker 2: this is entertaining for no other reason than it's sometimes

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Speaker 2: enjoyable to live vicariously through other humans who seem to

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Speaker 2: love to mix life up in a way that I've

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Speaker 2: never been familiar with. Now, goodness gracious joining the franchise

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Speaker 2: Trista thoughts.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so let me just say that I don't watch,

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Speaker 3: or I haven't watched Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. I

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Speaker 3: know that it is extremely popular. I know that she

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Speaker 3: is extremely popular. She's a beautiful girl. I think she's

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Speaker 3: thirty one years old, has three gorgeous children. She I

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Speaker 3: was doing a little research with what Heather sent and

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Speaker 3: it seems she's been divorced twice and was involved in

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Speaker 3: what they're calling the soft swinging scandal.

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Speaker 4: Do you know about that?

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Speaker 2: I do, But I would love for you to explain

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Speaker 2: she's been divorced once.

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Speaker 4: Just let you know you want me. Okay, she's been

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Speaker 4: divorced once.

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Speaker 2: I would love for you to explain soft swinging to her.

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Speaker 4: You so want me to explain, Okay.

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Speaker 3: So what I don't understand is why is it soft

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Speaker 3: swinging compared to swinging? Just because they had an agreement

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Speaker 3: that they weren't going to have sex with the people

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Speaker 3: that they were swinging with. Is that what makes swinging? Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 3: So if they don't have sex with their swinging partner,

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Speaker 3: then that's called soft swinging.

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Speaker 2: No penetration would be the official no penetration.

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Speaker 3: I just feel like it will be very interesting to

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Speaker 3: me to see what happens. She is very popular. Secret

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Speaker 3: Lives is very popular. It's a Hulu show, so it

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Speaker 3: makes sense that she is, you know, coming over to

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Speaker 3: Bachelorette World. They've never had somebody who's famous right from

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Speaker 3: ever as a lead, have they?

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Speaker 2: I mean they used to do. They used to do

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Speaker 2: like you know, back in your day. They're picking people

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Speaker 4: Out of the firestone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a prince a prince, true, but she's like pop

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Speaker 3: culture famous, you know, like ever had someone who's not

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Speaker 3: already been on the show. So it's a change. Who

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Speaker 3: is This is definitely a big change, And I will

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Speaker 3: be very very interested to see if Bachelor Nation rallies

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Speaker 3: around her or doesn't or actually doesn't watch because it's her,

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Speaker 3: because she does. We just found out both of us,

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Speaker 3: Ben and I don't watch the show. So this is all,

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Speaker 3: you know, coming from people who don't watch her show.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know her per se. I've never met her.

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Speaker 3: I don't follow her on TikTok, but I am going

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Speaker 3: to now or Instagram. I am very curious to know

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Speaker 3: fact that she was in jail.

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Speaker 2: All the show is used to this. We've had a

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Speaker 2: this show's cool with it.

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Speaker 3: It's fine, okay, great, okay, great, great on legal matter

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Speaker 3: and then the winning thing.

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Speaker 4: Restraining right, Yeah, not a thing.

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Speaker 3: The fact that she basically cheated on her husband even

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Speaker 3: though they were in an open relationship, but she cheated

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Speaker 4: There was penetration.

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Speaker 3: So I am really interested to just see how Bachelor

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Speaker 3: Nation reacts to it being her. Because she is part

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Speaker 3: of the ABC Hulu family and the show is really

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Speaker 2: Okay, A couple thoughts. First, is a question to you,

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Speaker 2: when does she join the Bachelor at text chain.

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Speaker 4: I'm literal.

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Speaker 3: Ohie was thinking this earlier. I'm like, how do we

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Speaker 3: get her number? I mean, I will just be texting

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Speaker 3: Millsie and say hey, we.

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Speaker 4: Need to add her to the chain. She will be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a part of She's a part of the group.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I have a couple thoughts. From the small amount of

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Speaker 2: that's great. I don't know enough to make a judgment

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Speaker 2: either way. It does seem to me trista people are

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Speaker 2: fans of her because I don't know how else to

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Speaker 2: say it. I'll say it and get in trouble for it.

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Speaker 2: She's messy. She's messy. That's how people know her from

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Speaker 2: her show and her current time is. People have followed

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Speaker 2: along because of the storylines that have existed around her,

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Speaker 2: right soft swinging, the arrest, the probation and the pause

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Speaker 2: I'm going to say it. Get mad at me for

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Speaker 2: it if you don't feel that way. I don't know

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Speaker 2: enough to make a strong statement on this. I have

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Speaker 2: never known the Bachelorette to be cheered for and watched

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Speaker 2: because of messiness. I think that changes the franchise drastically.

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Speaker 2: The franchise has always been about a pursuit of love,

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Speaker 2: even if people that are watching really don't believe you

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Speaker 2: can fall in love with the amount of time that

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Speaker 2: it takes to film The Bachelorette, it has always been

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Speaker 2: at the core of it. People have tuned in as

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Speaker 2: a family with their moms, as a sister group, whatever,

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Speaker 2: because it's the romanticized idea that possibly something could work

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Speaker 2: from this show. Messiness has never been the core driver.

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Speaker 2: It might be this season. I'm not saying it's not

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Speaker 2: going to pick up attention. It's one hundred percent going

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Speaker 2: to pick up attention. Is that what we want? And

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Speaker 2: so my question for the audience for Taylor, for whoever

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Speaker 2: great Taylor, I'm welcoming you into this thing. I hope

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Speaker 2: you find love from this thing, if that's what you're

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Speaker 2: really after here. I don't want anybody to come on

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Speaker 2: this show and their lives become worse for it. That

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Speaker 2: is not the hope, that is not the dream. That

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Speaker 2: is not why we've done what we've done on this

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Speaker 2: show for the last ten years, So I'm getting behind you, kid,

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Speaker 2: But where does the franchise go from here? If this

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Speaker 2: is this launching pad for this new era of The

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Speaker 2: Bachelor and Bachelorette to bring in a whole new audience

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Speaker 2: of viewers that they need to do, I'm not mad

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Speaker 2: at them for changing this up. They had to change

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Speaker 2: it up. They have to try to hit a home

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Speaker 2: run here, because if they don't, I don't think we're

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Speaker 2: talking about The Bachelor in a year. I don't. I

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Speaker 2: think they're already showing warning signs of that. But where

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Speaker 2: does the franchise go from here? How do they top

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Speaker 2: a Taylor Frankie Paul? How do they have a season

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Speaker 2: that is going to be more polarizing than any season

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Speaker 2: we've probably seen before. That's why people are gonna watch it,

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Speaker 2: That's why people are going to tune in. How do

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Speaker 2: you top it year over year over year? Right, Trista,

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Speaker 2: the show failed? I would I think even when Chris

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Speaker 2: Harrison was the host, because the tagline became this is

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Speaker 2: the most dramatic season ever, and they always try to

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Speaker 2: top the drama year over year over year, and they did.

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Speaker 2: Goodness gracious, they did for ten years straight. They topped

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Speaker 2: the drama. It might even been in the last episode

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Speaker 2: of the season, but there was something the fence, jump,

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Speaker 2: the podium, getting moved, cheating, scandals, whatever it may be.

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Speaker 2: They topped it year every year year. And my stance,

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Speaker 2: and I think many people's stances, the popular stance, was

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Speaker 2: that trying to top drama year over year took away

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Speaker 2: not fixing that. Instead, we're going a whole different different

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Speaker 2: direction where we're saying, we're going polarizing. We're going to

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Speaker 2: which is middle us. So my question is where do

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Speaker 2: I actually think it will be. I think they're going

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Speaker 2: to be captivating. I think my wife is going to

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Speaker 2: it maybe is a word, But where do we go

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Speaker 3: You're so right, You're so right, but you know, I

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Speaker 3: don't know. I feel like that's been a conversation for

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Speaker 4: Figure out where to go from here.

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Speaker 3: But I, like I was trying to say, if I

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Speaker 3: didn't convey it clearly, is I just I feel like

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Speaker 3: but who believe and watch because they love love like

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Speaker 3: I do. That's kind of like the you know, the

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Speaker 3: traditional Bachelor fan who like appreciate Ryan and I and

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Speaker 3: but still appreciate it because it's love. I feel like

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Speaker 3: we've lost a lot of that because of the drama

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Speaker 3: I get. You know, I'm sure you do too, about

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Speaker 3: dms about the show. I get dms all the time,

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Speaker 3: or comments on any posts that I do related to

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Speaker 3: The Bachelor that say, you know, I don't watch since

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Speaker 3: whenever because there's just so much drama. It's just all

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Speaker 3: about all about the drama, like you said, the most

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Speaker 3: then there's like, well, is that going to be too boring?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, We'll have to find out. Like this season,

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Speaker 3: what's going to happen.

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Speaker 2: The new area of television is definitely not what it

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Speaker 2: was when the love stories propelled the audience to watch.

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Speaker 2: I get that right, And that's why I think the

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Speaker 2: show probably is looking at this going we have to

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Speaker 2: figure out something because we have a franchise that is

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Speaker 2: we want to last for the next twenty years. And

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Speaker 2: what we've been doing isn't working right. The Zach Shawcross

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Speaker 2: So maybe the switch up will be what the franchise

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Speaker 2: top it. It's going to bring in a whole new audience.

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Speaker 2: I think this is a night no matter what, this

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Speaker 2: It is a switch up. It is, it's a change.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't think. I don't think soft swinging is watching.

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Speaker 2: No, it is watching Trista, It is watching yeah, you're

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Speaker 2: I mean it's watching. See you're learning as we go.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know about soaking, but I don't know

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Speaker 4: I thought it was just you were allowed.

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Speaker 2: Somebody could watch. You're still with your partner. Okay, you're

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Speaker 4: Oh lord, do you know or do you know what?

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Speaker 4: Do you know what soakin is?

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Speaker 2: I can be confused by it. I can be entertained

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Speaker 2: But ultimately I can still root for Taylor Frankie Paul

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm wondering about the guys because like who is

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Speaker 2: It could be the starting point to interest into a

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Speaker 3: Because we all will do it's because yeah, you're right,

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Speaker 3: you're so right, And you know what, like this storyline,

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Speaker 4: It's what they decided as a couple. Whatever.

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Speaker 3: That's their that's their relationship, that's their life, and I

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Speaker 3: you know I'm here for it. I'm here to support

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Speaker 4: What goes down.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're all gonna be talking about her around

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Speaker 2: Hopefully the show brings in millions of new viewers and

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Speaker 2: we have another ten year run on the Almost Famous podcast,

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Speaker 2: because goodness gracious, it keeps the lights on in my house,

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Speaker 2: and I am thankful for that. No matter what's happening

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Speaker 2: on ABC. Trista, thanks for jumping on so late. Tonight again,

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Speaker 2: we have a big announcement from the Secret Lives of

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to meet her, a lot to learn along

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Speaker 2: the way, but I won't hold anything back and saying

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Speaker 2: I am surprised, I am shocked. I am very curious

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Speaker 2: from here. Is this the new thing, Trista, where celebrities

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Speaker 2: for the next how many years? I'm curious. It seems

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Speaker 2: to be with the show's needing and wanting and desiring

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Speaker 2: and again, as long as they get viewers, we still exist.

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Speaker 2: And I'm here for that, Trista. Until next time. This

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Speaker 2: has been the Almost Famous podcast.

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Speaker 3: I've Been Ben, I've Been Trista.

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