1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: IS terrorism on the rise again. We all w inst 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: and horror when Shamsa Dingebar rammed his truck into a 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: busy New yar As Eve crowd, killing fourteen people in 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: the name of ISIS. President Trump had taken out ISIS 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: terrorism was largely contained, but it seems to be on 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: the rise now under Joe Biden. We all saw the 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: botched withdrawal from Afghanistan when an ISIS a suicide bomber 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: killed thirteen service members. We left billions of dollars worth 9 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: of weapons in the hands of the Taliban. There. We 10 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: see erosm take root again in Syria with the fall 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: of Asad. We saw the deadly's attack against Jews since 12 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: the Holocaust with the Iran backed Hamas attack on October seventh, 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,959 Speaker 1: and then chaos in the Middle East and instability as 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: a result of that. So is this something that the 15 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: incoming Donald Trump administration is going to have to face again? 16 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: What do we have to worry about here, particularly considering 17 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: the fact that we've had open borders and have led 18 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: you know, who knows how many terrorists into the country 19 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: throughout the past four years. So we'll get. 20 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: Into all of that. 21 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 1: The updates on that investigation of the New Orleans Teror attack, 22 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: what you need to know about our open borders and 23 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: how susceptible are we here in the United States to 24 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: a tarror attack. We'll talk to my friend and colleague, 25 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: a former FBI agent, Nicole Parker. We'll have her on 26 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: the show to discuss all of this. We'll also get 27 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: her take on, you know, how has the FBI fallen 28 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: and what changes would she like to see. May all 29 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: of that more with Nicole Parker. Stay tuned. 30 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 3: Well. 31 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: Nicole, So great to have you on the podcast. I 32 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: met you recently at an event and pretty instantly I 33 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: was like, this girl's awesome and so so great to 34 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: meet you and just you know, appreciate your service to 35 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: the country and you know, your friendship. 36 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: So great to have you on the show. 37 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. The are mutual. You know, it's 38 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 3: awesome to meet fellow patriots. There are a lot of 39 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 3: us out there, and I'm glad that we finally have 40 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 3: a voice. 41 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: So well, and we met a you know, an event 42 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: that was honoring the families of you know, our fallen 43 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: police officers. So it was a really beautiful event and 44 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: I know it meant a lot to you. And it 45 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: meant a lot to me as well, So it was 46 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: it was nice to bond over, you know, something as 47 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: important as that as well. Absolutely, you know, no Nicole, obviously, 48 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: you know, we saw this terror attack in New Orleans 49 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: and we're still trying to, you know, figure out how 50 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: someone can go from serving our country, serving the country 51 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: in the military to uh, you know, carrying out an 52 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: attack in the name of ISIS. I guess, you know, 53 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: kind of take us through how does that sort of radicalization. 54 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: Happen, you know, take us through that. 55 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 3: Let's start there, right, I mean, this is foreign terrist 56 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: organization groups are back and full force, and we are 57 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 3: seeing it with this awful, horrific tragedy on New Year's 58 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 3: Day in New Orleans. I think for so many years, 59 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 3: you know, Trump had really eradicated isasis al Qaeda, and 60 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 3: with what's been going on in our administration the last 61 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 3: several years, it has not been good in the combating 62 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 3: of counter terrorism. And you know, there are different types 63 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 3: of individuals that we look at at the FBI, and 64 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 3: like you mentioned, this individual was born in unized dates. 65 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 3: He's from Texas, but he did he had served in 66 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 3: the military, and it is very, very important that the 67 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 3: FBI has a close eye on individuals like this, and 68 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 3: I could tell you Lisa that you know, these these 69 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 3: sleeper cells are very difficult to track down. But this 70 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 3: might have ended up being a lone offender based on 71 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 3: what the FBI originally said. That original press conference was 72 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 3: quite confusing. But initially, on the first day that it occurred, 73 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 3: it was very clearly stated that this person was not 74 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 3: solely responsible. Then the FBI comes out the next day 75 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 3: and says, we do believe that Jabbar acted alone. And 76 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 3: so for the FBI to make such contradicting statements early 77 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 3: on can be very confusing and I think somewhat premature 78 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 3: because it does take a long time to conduct investigations 79 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: into determining what drove them to their pathway to radicalization, 80 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 3: and because it is so early on, it's hard to 81 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 3: make those definitive statements. So I like to just be 82 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 3: fair and honest. I don't know the exact pathway to 83 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 3: radicalization in this instance, but what we are looking at 84 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 3: as an individual that was again born in the United States, 85 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 3: his family said that he had recently become reinterested in 86 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 3: his Islam religion. He had a history recently of having 87 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 3: two failed marriages, he had children that based on my understanding, 88 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 3: there was some financial stresses and issues, and really looking 89 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 3: into this, there is always a precipitating stressor that causes 90 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 3: an individual to finally snap. And whether they're bringing radicalized 91 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: by a foreign terrorist organization group or whether it's a 92 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 3: mass shooting. I've worked mass shootings as well. The pathway 93 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 3: to violence can be very similar. But in this particular 94 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 3: instance with Jabbar, investigators need to look at was he 95 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 3: self directed on January first? Did he come up with 96 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 3: this idea himself to conduct this terror attack or was 97 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 3: he doing this at the instruction of ISIS? And was 98 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 3: he radicalized at a mosque, his neighborhood mosque in Houston, 99 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 3: or was he radicalized online through someone that found him 100 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 3: through different means that they recruit individuals, and the recruiting 101 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 3: process can be very complex, but there are different means 102 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 3: in which they find individuals. But there's one commonality in 103 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,799 Speaker 3: the recruiting process is that those that they recruit always 104 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 3: have vulnerabilities and these recruiters, these terrorist recruiters, know how 105 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 3: to hone in on that. And when we look at 106 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 3: this individual and we hear what his brother had been 107 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 3: saying about him. He was looking to find his way, 108 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 3: he was looking to find his purpose. He joined the 109 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 3: army trying to find his purpose. He was suffering from 110 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 3: financial stress, he was suffering from relationship stress. These are 111 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 3: all things that if you're a recruiter, those are vulnerabilities 112 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 3: that you're going to hone in in. So it's very 113 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 3: soon to tell, and I pray that the FBI is 114 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 3: fully transparent and what actually happened, because you need to 115 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 3: look at every single incident that occurs in order for 116 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 3: the FBI to be better prepared in stopping the next 117 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 3: terrorist attack from occurring. 118 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: Well, well, I was going to say, I know, you know, 119 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: immediately there, we didn't know this was someone who had 120 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: you know, across the border. Obviously, now we know that, 121 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: you know, he was a US citizen, But does it 122 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: still have an impact in the sense of, you know, look, 123 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: we've let millions of people come into the United States. 124 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: We know that that has led to an increased terror threat. 125 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: We've had the you know, former FBI director Christopher Ray, 126 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: who's you know, obviously Trump's replacing, thank god, but you know, 127 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: he had previously said that, you know, we're at risk 128 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: for terror cells here in the United States, So, like, 129 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: does that increase the likelihood of radicalization of even Americans? 130 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: Like this? 131 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: Uh jabbar for because absolutely right, because we let more 132 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: people in with you know, terrorist sympathies into the United States, 133 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: How is that not going to lead to more radicalization 134 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: within the country. 135 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 3: Or or more chilling not to sympathies the actual terrorists. 136 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 3: Because when you have an open border and you're basically saying, hey, 137 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 3: everyone's welcome in here, how much how much more difficult 138 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 3: would it be to get on an airplane and have 139 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 3: to go through you know, tsa checkpoints and you know, 140 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 3: have to put in your ID and see if you're 141 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 3: on a terror watch list. You don't even have to 142 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 3: do that. You can just show up at the border 143 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 3: and just walk across and be one of those got aways. 144 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 3: You know. It is absolutely mind boggling to me. Lisa, 145 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 3: and I was a witness to the nine to eleven 146 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 3: terrorist attacks in New York City. At the time, I 147 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 3: was working at Merrill Lynch, so prior to joining the FBI, 148 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 3: I actually actually worked on Wall Street, worked in finance, 149 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 3: and to witness that firsthand, the absolute terror and we 150 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 3: lost almost three thousand Americans that day. And to see 151 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 3: that this administration is so you know that they just 152 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 3: have no concern for the threats that they are inviting 153 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 3: into our country. And it's important to note that before 154 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 3: the individuals come into the country, and as they're coming 155 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 3: into the country, that's a CBP issue, right, that's Customs 156 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 3: and Border Protection. But once those individuals arrived in the 157 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 3: United States, and there are potential terrorists within our you know, 158 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 3: our boundaries, our border which does doesn't really exist at 159 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 3: the moment, that's the FBI's responsibility. It is the FBI's responsibility. 160 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 3: They are the primary law enforcement agency who are supposed 161 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 3: to stop terrorist attacks. And I know FBI agents who 162 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 3: are currently at the FBI who are very concerned because 163 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 3: they know that we as a nation are sitting ducks. 164 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 3: And it's not even something that they're trying to hide. 165 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 3: Like you said, Christopher Ray is testified before Congress on 166 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 3: multiple occasions, and he is saying red lights are flashing, 167 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 3: all alarms are going off. For Christopher Ray to say that, 168 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 3: because he's not very transparent on many things, So Americans, 169 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 3: if you're hearing him actually say that, that's a big deal. 170 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 3: And the fact that he is even concerned about it 171 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 3: when he downplays all the other issues going on in 172 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,479 Speaker 3: our nation and at the FBI for him to acknowledge 173 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 3: and say, this is very serious. It's more serious than 174 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 3: we think. And as you're going about your daily life, 175 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 3: doesn't really impact you, right, You're living wherever you're living, 176 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 3: and you it doesn't really impact you until all of 177 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 3: a sudden it does. And that's what happened in New Orleans. 178 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 3: So we had this individual again going back to Jabbar, 179 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 3: the FBI is doing a full investigation, but you know, 180 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 3: I have some concerns in the investigation because of the 181 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 3: mixed messaging that came out and the lack of trust 182 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 3: in the FBI. I know that you and I were 183 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 3: discussing offline. But the FBI went to execute a search 184 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 3: warrant at Cha Barr's residence in Houston. They go, they 185 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 3: execute the warrant. Okay, no problem, You've got the search warrant. 186 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 3: You got the search warran Affidavid, you get the items 187 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 3: that are listed on the APPID David, you create a 188 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 3: perimeter during the time that you're conducting the search. No 189 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 3: one is allowed onto the property during that time, and 190 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 3: you do your search as an FBI agent When you're done, 191 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 3: you leave the property receipt with the owner of the property. 192 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 3: In this instance, I don't know if you owned the property, 193 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 3: but you leave, you lock it back down, and you're done. 194 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 3: I was alarmed to learn that the FBI, after the media, 195 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 3: went onto that premise and did their basic search themselves, 196 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 3: which again you have that right to do if the 197 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 3: property is open. But the FBI went back after other 198 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 3: individuals had gone onto the premise. That is not good. 199 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 3: I have never in my time as an FBI agent 200 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 3: gone back to a search location that I had just 201 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 3: searched to conduct a second search. So they haven't gotten 202 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 3: a second search warrant. And my understanding was that there 203 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 3: were individuals from the media who were saying that they 204 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 3: saw maybe a laptop there or other things that the 205 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 3: FBI may have gotten a wind of and thought, hmm, 206 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 3: we might need to go back and collect that evidence. 207 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 3: In my opinion as an agent a former agent, that 208 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 3: is a huge mistake. Who leaves a computer at the 209 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 3: home where you're executing a warrant for a terrorist and 210 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 3: then to think that you're going to go back and 211 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 3: get that computer and think that that computer, you know, again, 212 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 3: bar is dead. So Again, Jabbar is not going to trial, 213 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 3: so it's important for Americans to understand the legal background 214 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 3: on this. But let's say Jabbar has a co conspirator 215 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 3: that the FBI did not know about at the time. Okay, 216 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 3: let's say that there is one. They don't know of 217 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 3: one at this point that they've told us about. But 218 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 3: if there is and that individual gets charged, then this 219 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 3: case goes to trial. Likely all of that evidence obtained 220 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:25,119 Speaker 3: in that second search, if that search location was allegedly 221 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 3: you know, a defense attorney would say, Hey, these people 222 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 3: tampered with this potential evidence, and we're going to have 223 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 3: a suppression hearing, and anything you got on that second search, 224 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 3: you're not going to be able to enter that into evidence. 225 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 3: We're going to have a suppression hearing, and the judge 226 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 3: will make the decision whether that evidence would be suppressed. 227 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 3: But I think it's important for Americans to understand the 228 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 3: technicalities of how important it is for the FBI to 229 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 3: do their job the right way. The first time, I 230 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 3: have never gone back to a search location where I 231 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 3: executed a search. I have never I've spoken to other 232 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 3: agents they have never gone back to a search location. 233 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 3: And these are the types of things that when you're thanking, 234 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 3: this is the law enforcement agency that it's supposed to 235 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 3: protect us from a foreign terrorist attack or any terrorist attack, 236 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 3: or any violent federal you know, criminal, and this is 237 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 3: the kind of things that are going on. It creates 238 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 3: a little bit of discomfort and a lack of trust. 239 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think there's you know, a ton 240 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: of lack of trust in the FBI right now for 241 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: you know, good reason. I mean, they seem to be 242 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: able to like track down a grandmother who spent two 243 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: minutes in the Capitol on January sixth, with like pinpoint accuracy, 244 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: but now they're like releasing new footage of the DC 245 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: pipe bomb individual who laid pipe bombs ahead of January 246 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: six somehow can't find him. We know nothing about that 247 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: Las Vegas shooter, I think from twenty seventeen, no further 248 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: information about Matthew Crooks. 249 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:48,719 Speaker 2: So it's like, you. 250 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: Know, it seems like they're able to find the information 251 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: and release it to the public when it suits them, 252 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: and then there's just a total, a total information void 253 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: on these other like really critical issues. 254 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 2: To the country. 255 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 1: So I guess is that I mean, obviously it raises 256 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: suspicions about they just don't want us to know the information, 257 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: and then that raises questions about like, well, why wouldn't 258 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: they want us to know that information? 259 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 3: You know, Lisa, I love being an FBI agent, and 260 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 3: there are a lot of really good FBI agents, but 261 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 3: it really did get to the point where I just 262 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 3: no longer agreed with the way that things were running 263 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 3: at the FBI. And it's not really you know, because 264 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 3: they went after these people or you know, it's because 265 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 3: there was unequal enforcement of the law and it was 266 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 3: so blatant. And although I was not a participant in 267 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 3: it because I was working violent crime crimes, gets children, 268 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 3: human trafficking, but it was going on all around me, 269 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 3: and all of us knew that what was going on. 270 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 3: It was just wasn't right. And I would say starting 271 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen with Operation Crossfire Hurricane, that's when things 272 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 3: really I had no idea how political the FBI was. 273 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 3: When Jim Comy got out there and said, you know, oh, 274 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 3: no reasonable prosecutor would charge Hillary Clinton for this, Oh, 275 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 3: you know, we're going to spy on the Trump campaign, 276 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 3: that was mind boggling to me. But I continue to 277 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 3: keep my head low, just keep doing my work. In Miami. 278 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 3: That's what's happening in DC. That doesn't deal with me. 279 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 3: I'm just going to do my work, protect my victims, 280 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 3: help people who are victims of violent crime. But it 281 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 3: got so overwhelming over the years, and it just kept 282 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 3: getting worse and worse and worse. And Jim Promy obviously 283 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 3: was fired rightfully so by President Trump. And then Christopher 284 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 3: Ray comes in and we're all hoping he's going to 285 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 3: straighten it out. This is going to be an a 286 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 3: political organization. Lady Justice is going to be blind again, 287 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 3: and we're going to regain the trust of the American people. Belisa, 288 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 3: that's not what happened. Not only did he not do that, 289 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 3: things substantially got worse. And so what I saw was 290 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 3: and again I was in the Miami Division, the same 291 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 3: division where the execution of the mar A Laga search 292 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 3: weren't occurred. That rate at mar A Lago was in 293 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 3: FBI Miami's area of responsibility. I was not there. Of course, 294 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 3: I would never have participated, but I saw this firsthand. 295 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 3: So I'm watching, for instance, de summer of twenty twenty, 296 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 3: the FBI does virtually nothing. Oh you know, we're not 297 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 3: going to get involved this is a local matter. Well 298 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 3: it's interesting that it's a local matter when you don't 299 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 3: want to get involved because of you know, the social 300 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 3: ramifications behind it. But yet January six comes along and 301 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 3: the FBI's full throttle, like you said, and that is 302 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 3: no exaggeration, because I witnessed it firsthand, and it was 303 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 3: full force. It was the number one priority in FBI 304 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 3: and DOJ history. They said that it was on the 305 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 3: one year anniversary of January sixth, So that January sixth 306 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 3: of twenty twenty two, Attorney General Merrit Garland held a 307 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 3: what we call a town hall for all of DJ 308 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 3: which would include FBI, and he went on and on 309 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 3: and on about how this was the biggest threat to 310 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 3: our democracy and this is the number one priority ever. 311 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 3: And I sat there and I thought, but wait a minute. 312 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 3: I was there nine to eleven. You're comparing January sixth 313 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 3: to nine eleven, and you're telling me that January sixth 314 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 3: was worse. But they did. They went full throttle. And 315 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 3: I watched as they enlisted our SWAT team literally nationwide 316 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 3: swat teams nationwide that would go in for misdemeanors. And again, 317 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 3: the use of SWAT is not contingent. SWAT is the 318 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 3: special Tactical Team. Just in case your listeners aren't familiar, 319 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 3: the use of SWAT is not based on misdemeanor or 320 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 3: not misdemeanor. It's based on the level of threat of 321 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 3: the individual that you're arresting. And to see them go 322 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 3: such full force with SWAT for people that did not 323 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 3: appear to be a true threat, it looked like a 324 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 3: political statement and almost politically. You know, we are going 325 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 3: to intimidate you because of your political position, and like 326 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 3: you said, Grandma's walking in with their cell phone and 327 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,959 Speaker 3: taking a picture. I'm sorry, but in my time at 328 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 3: the FBI, we have very limited time and resources. There's 329 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 3: only about thirteen thousand agents in the whole world in 330 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 3: the FBI. We've never focused on misdemeanors. Okay, we don't 331 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 3: have time for misdemeanors. The FBI is there to work 332 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,959 Speaker 3: complex cases that are genuinely going to impact and save Americans. 333 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 3: And I was labergasted to see Field Offices WFO or 334 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 3: Washington Field Office all hands on deck for month after 335 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 3: month after month on January sixth, where they basically put other, 336 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 3: you know, violations to the side so they could focus 337 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 3: on this And what's most startling to me is that 338 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 3: it's four years later. If you go to FBI dot gov, 339 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 3: the FBI website, capital violence is still front and center 340 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 3: on the homepage of the FBI. It is still their 341 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 3: number one priority. And it's been four years and you've 342 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 3: already arrested so many individuals, over one thousand, close to 343 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 3: two thousand for misdemeanors. And that's what they did, and 344 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 3: they did. They talked about the school board parents. That 345 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 3: was not an exaggeration. Then they went after you know, 346 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 3: Markalk for the Face Act violation that involves you know, 347 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 3: the anti abortion versus the abortion issues. And it was 348 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 3: so startling to see if you're pro life, they're coming 349 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 3: after you for even the smallest thing. That Mark out 350 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 3: case that was denied and declined by locals, the locals 351 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 3: and then the FBI and DJ come and sweep up 352 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 3: and say, hey, actually we're going to take this case 353 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 3: and we're going to revive it. That's been heard of. 354 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 3: I've never heard of a case being declined on the 355 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 3: local level and the FED sweeping in and reviving it 356 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 3: and charging it. And thank goodness, he was acquitted because 357 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 3: it was completely political and so I could give you 358 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 3: a million examples of really what it was is. It 359 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 3: was like, if you're on the conservative political you know, 360 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 3: the Republican conservative side of the spectrum, you better watch 361 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 3: your back. If you're a Trump supporter, or if you're 362 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 3: Trump yourself, you know, Trump himself. But if you're on 363 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 3: the liberal progressive side of the you know, political spectrum, 364 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 3: you almost got a pass. I didn't see him doing 365 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 3: anything to Hillary Clinton, nothing really to Hunter Biden, nothing 366 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 3: major the January you know, the summer twenty twenty protesters, writers, nothing. 367 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 3: But if you're on the either side, full force. 368 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: We've got to take a quick commercial break. More with 369 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: Nicole on the other side. Well, you know Nicole Ron 370 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 1: Paul said in I think it was the nineteen eighties 371 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: that it almost looks like the FBI was designed to 372 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: spuy on Americans who might be disagreeing with policy. And 373 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: then you know, you look at a lot of the 374 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: things you just laid out with parents of school board 375 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: meetings or we all remember that FBI memo I think 376 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: it was out of Richmond, Virginia, targeting Catholic churches. You 377 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: look at the Russia hoax and the Faiza warrants, against 378 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: Carter Page when he was actually working with the United States, 379 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: not against US. Or you look at a Department of 380 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: Justice watchdog report that found that the FBI had at 381 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: least twenty six confidential human sources on the Capitol on 382 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: January sixth, twenty and twenty one. So it's like, is 383 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: the FBI working for us or. 384 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 2: You know, against us? And you know why why would the. 385 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: Fb I have confidential sources at the Capitol on January six? 386 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: I guess I think a lot of Americans are just 387 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: asking themselves, you know, how much of January six, how 388 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: much of you know some of these incidents were contrived 389 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: by the FBI? 390 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 3: Okay, So that's a good question. And that's something again, 391 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 3: confidential human sources is something that the FBI typically does 392 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 3: not speak freely about. My understanding, So and this is 393 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 3: just an example. Okay, Let's say that I am a 394 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 3: confidential human source for the FBI. Okay, So I will 395 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 3: go about I live my life. I live my life. 396 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 3: I can go to January six if I want, I 397 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 3: can go to Hawaii. I can do whatever I want, 398 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 3: and it's not at the instruction of the FBI. Right, 399 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 3: So I could be a confidential human source for the FBI, 400 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 3: but not be living my life in every single thing 401 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 3: I do at the instruction of the FBI, or I 402 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 3: could be tasked by the FBI and say, hey, you 403 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 3: know what, we need you to go do this, and 404 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 3: blah blah blah. My understanding is that these individuals there 405 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 3: may have been twenty six confidential human sources, but not 406 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 3: They may not have been tasked by the FBI. They 407 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 3: may have been there in their own free will, not 408 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 3: at the instructure nor the request of the FBI. But again, 409 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 3: because the FBI is not releasing a lot of information, Lisa, 410 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 3: it's difficult to know what was actually going on. And 411 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 3: I respect the level of confidentiality that needs to take 412 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 3: place for certain investigations because I did. I worked investigations. 413 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,959 Speaker 3: I worked murder cases where if you put it out 414 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 3: to the public, you know you're going to tip off 415 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 3: the guy that you're trying to get. I get that. 416 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 3: But there are other instances in the last several years 417 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 3: where Americans deserve transparency and clarity as to what is 418 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 3: going on, and if it's not any you know, like, yeah, 419 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 3: why do not tell people what's going on so the 420 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 3: Americans are informed? 421 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: I guess my question is if they have twenty six 422 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: confidential sources, like we look at the Gretchen Whitmer, Uh, 423 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: you know, canapping plot like it's like in this instant 424 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: If you have all these confidential sources that are there 425 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: on January sixth, you have some idea that maybe something 426 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: is going to go down, Like why not stop it? 427 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 3: Right? 428 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: Like we know that Trump had placed requests for more 429 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: National Guard, like there was concerns, so why not stop it? 430 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: Like right, it seems like the FBI, Like that would 431 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: imply to just you know, obviously I've never worked for 432 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: the FBI, but that would just imply to like the 433 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: average listener, that they knew it was going down and 434 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: they allowed it to happen, as opposed to if it 435 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: was the worst day in American hiss, you know, if 436 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: it was all the things that there there's you know, 437 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 1: if it was you know, I think they compared it 438 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: to like nine to eleven, and like pro horrible. 439 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 3: I said, it was worse. That's right, it was worse. 440 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: Then why not stop it? 441 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 2: Why why allow it to happen? You know? 442 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 3: Again that's going back to what did the FBI know 443 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 3: before and what did they know after? And that's what 444 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 3: I'm saying. If the confidential human sources were not tasked 445 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 3: going into that day, then that would have an impact 446 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,239 Speaker 3: if they were tasked versus weren't tasked. But again, these 447 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 3: are technicalities that unless you work there. I'm not sure 448 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 3: if it's making a lot of sense, but my understanding 449 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 3: was they were not tasked to go there, but they 450 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 3: were there on their own free will, their own free time, whatever, 451 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 3: you know. But again it goes back to transparency, right 452 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 3: because you have all these questions, right and rightfully so 453 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 3: I had questions and I worked there. The key is 454 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 3: that they need to come out and say, look, this 455 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 3: is what we did, this is how many sources were here, 456 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 3: this is why they were there, this is what they 457 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 3: were doing, this is what they weren't doing. That's when 458 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 3: people are going to start trusting the FBI again. But 459 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 3: when you no questions are answered, no answers, we're not 460 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 3: going to tell you. And then going back to the 461 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 3: to the to the the bomber, you know, the people 462 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 3: that played the bomb on January sixth of twenty twenty one, 463 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 3: what happened to those individuals? And then all of a 464 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 3: sudden they have an interest in that four years later. 465 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 3: Don't you think that's interesting? Out of nowhere they put 466 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 3: out this reward for I believe, like half a million 467 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 3: dollars if you have information submitted to the FBI, where 468 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 3: have you been the last four years? Like? Why is 469 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 3: there a sense of urgency now? And you know why? 470 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 3: Because they know that President Trump's about to come back, 471 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 3: and they know that leadership is about to change, and 472 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 3: they know that Christopher Ray is gone. And I firmly 473 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 3: believe that they know that the gig is up and 474 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 3: the political weaponization and social weaponization of the FBI, those 475 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 3: days are going to be over because it's not going 476 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 3: to be tolerated under this new administration. I just don't believe. 477 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 1: So, you know, I can hear the frustration in your voice, 478 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: and I imagine that there are so many FBI agents 479 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: who you know, you had mentioned you were in finance 480 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: before you decided to join the FBI. Probably, I mean, 481 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: I'd love to know to serve your CA and so 482 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: like I imagine, like it's got to be really frustrating to 483 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: have signed up for something, to have spent your life 484 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: doing so much good and then to have you know, 485 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: some of these bad actors, whether it be Peter Struck 486 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: or at least a Page or Christopher Raye call me. 487 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: You know, the list goes on as some of these 488 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: bad actors that you know have tainted the FBI name. 489 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: I imagine that's just got to be that's going to 490 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: be really tough pill to swallow for people like you 491 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: and so many people who signed up to serve their country. 492 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 3: Exactly right. I mean, I witnessed the terror attacks on 493 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 3: nine to eleven. I ended up applying to the FBI 494 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 3: two thousand and nine. I stayed in finance, I worked 495 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 3: at a hedge fund, and I just I am a 496 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 3: woman of faith. I prayed and I just felt like 497 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 3: that morning on nine to eleven, I knew one day 498 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 3: I wanted to give back. I didn't know on what capacity, 499 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 3: but that horror that I witnessed, I'm like, no, I 500 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 3: owe it to my country to serve, and I chose 501 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 3: the FBI as a vehicle that I would go back 502 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 3: and serve my country. So you're right, Like, I left 503 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 3: a job where I was making a lot more money 504 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 3: than the FBI, but I did it because I loved 505 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 3: this country and because I wanted to serve. So yes, 506 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 3: it is extremely frustrating, and Lisa, you can hear it 507 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 3: in my voice because I love being an FBI agent. 508 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 3: Do you know what I loved? I loved helping victims 509 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,959 Speaker 3: who were counting on me and others to protect them 510 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,959 Speaker 3: and save them from a situation they couldn't get out 511 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 3: of on their own. I spoke to you at that 512 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 3: event that I met you at my very dear friend, 513 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 3: closest friend of the FBI special Agent Laura Schwarzenberger. She 514 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 3: paid the ultimate sacrifice. She was killed. She took an 515 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 3: assault rifle to assault rifle round to her head on 516 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 3: February second of twenty twenty one. And you know what 517 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 3: she was doing. She was executing a search warrant against 518 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 3: a child predator. The last thing Laura and I wanted 519 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 3: to be involved in was anything political. In fact, we 520 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 3: talked about it. She was killed about a month after 521 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 3: January sixth. We were disgusted by it, and we made 522 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 3: a vow to each other we are not doing this 523 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 3: political stuff. If she could see how bad it's gotten 524 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 3: since her passing, she would be absolutely disgusted. You know what, 525 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 3: Laura's legacy deserves better the current agents who are trying 526 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 3: to do the right thing and do real work. They 527 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 3: deserve better. The retired agents deserve better being And who 528 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 3: deserves better are the American people, the taxpayers, the FBI. 529 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 3: You work for the American people, not the other way around. 530 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 3: And like you said, like people are now afraid of 531 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 3: the FBI. No, the FBI should be there to protect you. 532 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 3: That's their job. When I was an FBI agent, my 533 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 3: boss was the tax payers. My number one priority was 534 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 3: helping victims. But I'm telling you, Lisa, there are two fbis, 535 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 3: and I've set it on Fox and I'll say it here. 536 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,959 Speaker 3: FBI one are the good, honest, pure in heart agents 537 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 3: and staff who have pure motives. They are not in 538 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 3: it for themselves. They are literally there to protect the 539 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 3: American people, uphold the Constitution, and serve their country. FBI, too, 540 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 3: are the bad apples. They consist not just of leadership. 541 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 3: I hear that all the time. Oh, it's just a 542 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 3: few bad apples at the top. I wish I could 543 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 3: tell you that was the case. It's not. FBI two 544 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 3: is a mindset and an approach to doing your job. 545 00:28:54,920 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 3: Those that are politically and socially pushing their personal agendas 546 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 3: and using their law enforcement power to push their own 547 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 3: political and social agendas through the FBI, And it could 548 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 3: consist of those on the seventh floor in DC, it 549 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 3: could consist of analysts on the ground level and Richmond 550 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 3: who are pushing this anti Catholic intel memo that wasn't 551 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 3: done by an agent, that was done by some intel analyst. 552 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 3: They're not some high powered person, but I put them 553 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 3: in the FBI two category because you were using your 554 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 3: power through the FBI to push out false information and 555 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 3: quote intelligence to really push your own personal opinion and agenda. 556 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 3: That is entirely inappropriate. So again, FBI two are those 557 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 3: that are not doing the right thing. They're destroying the 558 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 3: trust of the American people. They're putting their own preferences 559 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 3: and personal needs above the mission of protecting America. But 560 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 3: I promise you there are people quietly working behind the 561 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 3: scenes who are keeping their heads slow, who are disgusted 562 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 3: by what they're seeing, and they are so grateful that 563 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 3: a new set of leadership is about to come in 564 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 3: because they deserve better and America deserves better. 565 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: Quick break, stay with us. I want to ask you 566 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: about how to change the FBI real quick, But. 567 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 2: I also wanted to. 568 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: I guess do you think we're getting the truth about 569 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: the Las Vegas incident with Matthew Libelsburger. Obviously, there's a 570 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: lot circulating online about you know, potential manifesto raising a 571 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: whole bunch of concerns. You know, we don't we're you know, 572 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: the authorities are saying possible PTSD. Obviously he was a 573 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: Green Beret, he served in Afghanistan. I mean, I don't 574 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: know what. 575 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 3: And again, and you know what, this is the whole problem. 576 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 3: When they lose the trust in American people because they 577 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 3: keep doing things over and over and over, then no 578 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 3: one trusts them ever, Like even if they're doing good 579 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 3: work and doing honest work, Americans don't trust them because 580 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 3: the trust is gone. So you're you're completely justified and 581 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 3: kind of wondering like what's really happening because you don't 582 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 3: really know, because you're like, can I even trust these people? 583 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 3: So there's because. 584 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: There's there's a leg you know, obviously, you know, the 585 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: podcaster named Sean Ryan has been you know, there's you know, 586 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: allegedly there's some manifesto talking about things like drones and 587 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: government surveillance and US involvement in Afghanistan. 588 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 2: From labels Burger, you know. 589 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: But then you know, it's we're trying to figure out 590 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: what's true what's not. And then you know, to your point, 591 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: sort of this lack of trust, uh, this you know, 592 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: lack of information leads to but you know, then seeing 593 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: how the government operates, it's hard to put anything, you know, 594 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: above what they would do. So, but I don't know 595 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: where where it is. 596 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,479 Speaker 3: They're good questions, but I think the one thing I 597 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 3: absolutely do know and think, well, the email, there was 598 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 3: some information that came out a note I believe it 599 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 3: was maybe not an E but some writings that the 600 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 3: FBI did say these did come from him, and so 601 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 3: they're going to need to dissect that see what that's 602 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 3: all about. But the one thing that we do know 603 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 3: without knowing that because they've got to do a full 604 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 3: analysis on it, is that you're right, he had served 605 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 3: our country and it is heartbreaking. I'm sure Americans realize 606 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 3: that we lose more military members to suicide than we 607 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 3: do to the battleground of war. And it's serious and 608 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 3: PTSD is a very serious thing and it's very dark 609 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 3: and until you've experienced it. I had never served in war, 610 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 3: but my heart and my gratitude goes out to all 611 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 3: of our veterans and our military members who have served 612 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 3: with honor. It is hard, it is dark, it is sad, 613 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 3: it is tragic with a witness, and it does take 614 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 3: a toll on you. And I can say that his 615 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 3: ex girlfriend, who had been a recent communication with him 616 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 3: dead and was interviewed and has come out vocally and said, 617 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 3: he did tell me about the struggles that he had 618 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 3: with depression. He did tell me that he really struggled 619 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 3: with losing people that he witnessed. And so that is 620 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 3: a one hundred percent of fact it could just a 621 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 3: depression suicide incident. To say it's just that, it's not 622 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 3: just that that is absolutely heartbreaking, horrific, But the rest 623 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 3: of it, I'm going to put my you know, the 624 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 3: FBI's got to do the full investigation into that, and 625 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 3: but I do believe that there was absolutely PTSD and 626 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 3: some serious depression, and that is something that many of 627 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 3: our service members have to deal with on a daily basis. 628 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 3: And so I just want to again, they sacrifice so 629 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 3: much for us, not just physically, but that mental damage, Lisa, 630 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 3: it doesn't go away, okay, And even me as an 631 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 3: FBI agent, I've worked mass shootings, the things that I've seen, 632 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 3: it doesn't go away. 633 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: It's so strange because you know, they say he's one 634 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: hundred percent, you know, Trump supporter. Obviously, you know he 635 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: was a Green Ray, very very selective. 636 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 2: He's top of the top. 637 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: But then, okay, so then let's say they're saying he 638 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: committed suicide. But then if you're a Trump guy, why 639 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 1: do it in a tesla outside of a Trump building 640 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. 641 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 3: I wondered the same thing because as an agent, and 642 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 3: like you, like you just said, I thought, oh, is 643 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 3: this someone who hates Trump and wanted to make a 644 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 3: statement or he just wanted to make a big statement 645 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 3: and he went to Las Vegas on New Year's Day? 646 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,839 Speaker 3: If you notice both of these incidents between New Orleans 647 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 3: and Las Vegas, because initially I wondered if they were linked, 648 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,280 Speaker 3: Like what are the chances they both rented for turo, 649 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 3: they're both military, they both had you know, had issues 650 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 3: in relationships. They don't seem to be linked at this point. 651 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 3: But you pose a good question, and I asked the 652 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 3: same thing. I thought, Hey, that's interesting he went from 653 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 3: Colorado to you know, Las Vegas in a tesla. But again, 654 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 3: I'm going to just stick with the facts here. I 655 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 3: don't there's no proof for evidence, like you said that 656 00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 3: that was what happened. 657 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: But it's like, how do we get it when the 658 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: FBI is not going to tell you know, I think 659 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: that's what is challenging and all this is it's like 660 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: we know we're not going to get the truth, and 661 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: then whatever the FBI tells us, we can't really trust them. 662 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:16,359 Speaker 3: So truth La Vegas. It goes back to Las Vegas 663 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 3: and what I love, Senator Kennedy said, I'm sorry, back 664 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 3: to New Orleans. What Senator Kennedy said in initial press 665 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 3: conference the first couple, he said, look at the eye. 666 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 3: I'm going to give you some time. I get it 667 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 3: takes some time to do the investigation, but once that's done, 668 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 3: we will know everything. Like we're not going to do 669 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 3: this thing where you start this investigation and everyone's you know, 670 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 3: all you know, everyone all eyes on the investigation. You're 671 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 3: being transparent, and then all of a sudden it just disappears. 672 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,240 Speaker 3: He said, No, we're not going to do that. Americans 673 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 3: are going to know everything. And so to the extent possible, 674 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 3: I hope that happens in New Orleans I hope that 675 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 3: happens in Las Vegas, because that's what Americans deserve. And 676 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 3: I hope that this new FBI is about transparency with 677 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 3: the American people to the extent that it is possible. 678 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 3: And I think there's many moments when they could have 679 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 3: been more transparent than they were, and that again, when 680 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 3: you've already destroyed the trust. Like Senator Kennedy said from Louisiana, 681 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,720 Speaker 3: transparency is an absolute must, and we will demand answers because, 682 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 3: like you, whatever happened all these other cases that were 683 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 3: so you know, at the front of our minds and 684 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,879 Speaker 3: then it just kind of went off into the sunset. No, like, 685 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 3: we want answers to this. And as you have transparency 686 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,240 Speaker 3: and show us the truth and show us what really happened, 687 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 3: then maybe we will start regaining our trust. But you 688 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 3: know what, you make your bed. You got to sleep 689 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 3: in an FBI. If you wanted to keep them the 690 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 3: trust with the American people, you should have done the 691 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 3: things that you've been doing. And I can tell you 692 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 3: the last four years in particular, were off the rails. 693 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 3: And again there were good people doing good work. And please, 694 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 3: I cannot understate that because I'm a fair and honest person, 695 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 3: I would be lying to you if I told you 696 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 3: the whole FBI is FBI too. It's not. There are 697 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 3: really good people trying to do good work, but it 698 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 3: goes back to the lack of trust. And when we 699 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 3: see these, you know, the asac Alithia Duncan coming out 700 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 3: on the day of the terrorist attack and saying with 701 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 3: such such a definitive statement that it is not a 702 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 3: terrorist attack. It completely was. Lisa. I knew that there 703 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 3: was an ISIS flag in the car because I had 704 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 3: contacts in New Orleans. And I sat there and I 705 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 3: watched her on Fox, and I thought, how is she 706 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 3: saying this? Is she She's either trying to be politically 707 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 3: correct for the FBI or she's grossly incompetent, and either 708 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 3: one is unacceptable. And so it was mind boggling to 709 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 3: me that that's who they put front and center. And 710 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 3: just one more little tidbit on that the FBI needs 711 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 3: to get back to hiring the best and the brightest, okay, 712 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,800 Speaker 3: and promoting the best in the brightest. No one she 713 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 3: get a job based on their race, or their religion, 714 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 3: or their you know, gender, whatever it might be. No, 715 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 3: you hire the best in the brightest period. Can you 716 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 3: promote the best in the brightest And I'll just leave 717 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 3: it at that. 718 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, And then you know, the local mosque in Houston's 719 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 1: telling people not to talk to the FBI and to care. 720 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 2: It's like the whole thing is. 721 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 3: That's a major problem too. And if I were them, 722 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 3: that should raise alarms for the FBI. And when you say, hey, 723 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 3: we don't want to cooperate with law enforcement, why do 724 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 3: you have something to hide? So that should, you know, 725 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,240 Speaker 3: create some interest in what's going on in that mosque. 726 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 3: And so again going back to that, the radicalization, I 727 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 3: know we started with it, but there are questions in 728 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 3: Americans deserve answers. Was he radicalized online? Was he radicalized 729 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 3: in person? Was he radicalized by someone that he met 730 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 3: the mosque? Was it someone that he's known since childhood? 731 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 3: Was it someone that he went met through a social 732 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 3: media site or online? But it does take time to 733 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 3: sit through that information. Those five Facebook videos that he 734 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 3: posted right before he conducted the attack very telling, no doubt, 735 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 3: I mean, this is unquestionable. He was absolutely inspired by 736 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 3: isis he said he joined prior to the summer. That 737 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 3: summer and you know, we talked about the war between 738 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 3: the believers and disbelievers. He was originally going to harm 739 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 3: family and friends, but he didn't think that would make 740 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 3: a strong enough statement. And that isis flag itself on 741 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 3: the car. I mean that is huge. I want to 742 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 3: know when did he get that flag? Where did he 743 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 3: get that flag? Where do you just buy an ices flag? 744 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 3: I mean really, and again, like you mentioned the mosque 745 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 3: in the neighborhood and them telling their patrons do not 746 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 3: cooperate with law enforcement. Was he self radicalized? Was he 747 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 3: radicalized by someone else? Was the act self directed or 748 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 3: was he directed by isis to conduct that? Lots of 749 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 3: questions and Americans deserve every single answer, you know, before. 750 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: We go, you know, we'll hopefully see an incoming cash 751 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 1: Mattel as the FBI director who has sort of seen 752 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 1: the corruption firsthand. You know, he was part of the 753 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: intelligence committees the Nuns Report raising concerns over the abuse 754 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: of Faiza Warrens regarding Carter Page when he worked in 755 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,280 Speaker 1: the House. I think that was in like twenty seventeen 756 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,399 Speaker 1: or twenty eighteen, if my memory serves me correct, something 757 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: roughly around that. 758 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 2: Time when the memo came out. 759 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 1: And he's been targeted himself as a result of the 760 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,880 Speaker 1: work that he's done. What reforms would you like to 761 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,720 Speaker 1: see done to the FBI? Like, how does the FBI 762 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 1: regain our trust? 763 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,280 Speaker 3: Okay, so, first of all, new leadership is number one, 764 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,840 Speaker 3: new FBI director and it's not just the director. Just 765 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 3: so you know right now, the FBI is Christopher Raith 766 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,839 Speaker 3: like the face of the FBI almost but Paula Bait, 767 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,359 Speaker 3: the deputy director, he's the number two. He actually is 768 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 3: pretty much running the show at the FBI. So don't 769 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 3: be mistake, akend that it's all Christopher Ray. He's just 770 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 3: the person that you see in public. So they need 771 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 3: a clean house of all of those upper level positions 772 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,799 Speaker 3: and put people in who can be trusted. Not only 773 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 3: do you look at headquarters in Washington, d C. We 774 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 3: have field offices. We have special agents in charge is 775 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,720 Speaker 3: what they're called. They're the head of each field office. 776 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 3: Every single special agent in charge needs to be looked 777 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 3: at within each field office, each level of management needs 778 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 3: to be looked at. Those that have not been carrying 779 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 3: the true mission of the FBI forward. They just need 780 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 3: to be looked at, reevaluated, you know, maybe moved moved 781 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 3: into other positions. I think another important thing, aside from 782 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 3: leadership is headquarters Washington, DC. You need to reduce headquarters drastically. 783 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 3: A lot of these political cases were being run out 784 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 3: of headquarters. That's not what that's not how you're supposed 785 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,319 Speaker 3: to do it. That's not how you're supposed to do 786 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 3: it at all. You should not be instructed by headquarters 787 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 3: what I'm doing in FBI Miami. I should be working 788 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,719 Speaker 3: the threats in Miami based on the threats and needs 789 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 3: of my local jurisdic and under this administration, a lot 790 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 3: of it was being led by headquarters. And again they're 791 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 3: pushing their political agendas out of headquarters and pushing down 792 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 3: the field offices. So you need to take headquarters and 793 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 3: reduce it drastically. Send a lot of those individuals up 794 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 3: in DC. Send them back to the field, because you 795 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,319 Speaker 3: know what, they need to work cases, because no one's 796 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 3: life is being protected by a bunch of administrative people 797 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 3: pushing paper up in DC. The real work is going 798 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 3: to be when they're working cases on the ground level. 799 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 3: I think also changing the hiring process, the types of 800 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 3: individuals that they've brought into the FBI over the last 801 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 3: several years, they've changed their recruiting efforts, changed kind of 802 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 3: what they're looking at. They've dropped their hiring standards. Raise 803 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,279 Speaker 3: the hiring standards back up to I'd rather have a 804 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,800 Speaker 3: lean workforce than a big workforce that's not high quality. 805 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,759 Speaker 3: And you know, just making sure that people understand there 806 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 3: have to be tangible consequences to abusing your law enforcement power. 807 00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 3: And when there aren't tangible consequences, this cycle continues regardless 808 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 3: of who's in the White House, regardless of who is 809 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 3: the director is. If those that have been responsible for 810 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 3: the failures of the FBI are not held accountable, the 811 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 3: cycle continues. So I would say there needs to be 812 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,880 Speaker 3: true accountability with tangible consequences. And that's just kind of 813 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 3: the broad synopsis of reform. But trust me that in 814 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,840 Speaker 3: and of itself will keep them busy for a long time. 815 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 3: There's a lot to do. 816 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,880 Speaker 1: Well. I hope they're busy, you know, you know, hopefully 817 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: get back to the business of protecting Americans as opposed 818 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,360 Speaker 1: to you know, targeting Americans, I think is critical. But 819 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,839 Speaker 1: the Cole Parker, your friend, appreciate you coming on joining 820 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,480 Speaker 1: the show, appreciate your service to the country. 821 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 2: I know that you signed up to the FBI. 822 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,799 Speaker 1: To do good, important work, so we appreciate insolute you 823 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 1: for that. 824 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,000 Speaker 2: So thanks so much for coming on. Nicle really appreciate it. 825 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Lisa and I love this country 826 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,400 Speaker 3: and God bless America. Things are going to get better 827 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 3: and I just cannot wait. We're about to see the 828 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 3: Golden Age coming coming about and I hope they can 829 00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,239 Speaker 3: make the FBI great again. 830 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 1: That was an a Cole Parker. I appreciate her for 831 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,720 Speaker 1: making the time. Appreciate you guys at home for listening 832 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,919 Speaker 1: every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week. 833 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,400 Speaker 1: I also want to thank John cast you and my 834 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 1: producer for putting the show together. Until next time,