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Speaker 1: Last week, I was interviewed by Ferne Malice at the

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Speaker 1: ninety second Street Why for her long running speaker series,

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Speaker 1: Fashion Icons with Berne Malice. Berne has interviewed Oscar de

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Speaker 1: the fashion world. We had a candid conversation about my childhood,

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Speaker 1: my marriage, my career, my friend Snoop, the Sports Illustrated

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Speaker 1: Swimsuit issue, and lots more. I'm posting it here on

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Speaker 1: the Martha Stewart Podcast. I know you'll enjoy hearing it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you all for being here. Good evening. It's great

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Speaker 2: to see so many of you here as this has

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Speaker 2: been a remarkable and very special season for fashion Icons

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Speaker 2: here at the ninety two and Why. Those of you

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Speaker 2: who have been coming through the years know I always

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Speaker 2: have a special introduction with anecdotes and info my guests

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Speaker 2: will surprise him or her.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: Tonight, I'm going to be joined by the busiest working

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Speaker 2: woman on this planet. She has done it all and

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Speaker 2: still has more to create and brand and sell. And hell,

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Speaker 2: it's Martha's Dowart. We all know who she is, and

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Speaker 2: I don't want to waste one more minute at the

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Speaker 2: podium talking about her when I can have her on

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Speaker 2: the stage talking with her. So now is the time

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Speaker 2: to cancel your dinner reservations, as we've got a lot

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Speaker 2: of years and stories to cover. Ladies and gentlemen and

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Speaker 2: everyone else. Let's give a warm and appreciative welcome to

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Speaker 2: my friend, the one and only Martha's do it?

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Speaker 1: Thank you, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: Hi?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Thank you, Fern, We thank you. Very exciting. I

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Speaker 1: read your bio over today and I found out we

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Speaker 1: have something very much in common. We were brought up

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Speaker 1: in Buffalo.

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Speaker 2: To school in Buffalo. Oh, the University of Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so my maternal my maternal family, my mother's family

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Speaker 2: And I know that that's where you learned canning and

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Speaker 1: Oh so you know you did your homework. But my

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Speaker 1: brother went to the University of Buffalo. He taught their

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Speaker 2: Okay, So let's start at the very beginning. You were

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Speaker 2: born on August third, nineteen forty one, in Jersey City,

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Speaker 2: New Jersey. Makes you how old?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: How old?

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Speaker 1: Am I don't know? You have to do this subtraction.

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Speaker 1: I'm old. I'm eighty two, and Fern is not as

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Speaker 1: old as I am. She was born in nineteen forty eight.

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Speaker 2: So you and Tom Ford the only ones who called

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Speaker 2: me out on my birthday on this stage. You're LEO.

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Speaker 2: I think you believe in the stars. I do LEO

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Speaker 2: positive traits loyal, wise, confident, a natural leader and generous.

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Speaker 2: Some negative traits opinionated, attention seeking, arrogant and stubborn.

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Speaker 1: Wow, do you agree with any of us? They go

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Speaker 2: And some LEO celebrities for whatever it's worth, and they

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Speaker 2: hold up well, Yes, you hold up well. Jennifer Lopez, Madonna,

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Speaker 2: President Obama and Whitney Houston Company.

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Speaker 1: Yep, and mister Brady and oh, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: people who are on my birthday too, Carly close.

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Speaker 2: So tell us about your parents.

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Speaker 1: Edward Costra Castayra and Martha Martha Roskowsky.

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Speaker 2: Is it a Polish thing to name daughters after their mothers.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why. My father wanted his first daughter

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Speaker 1: to be named Martha, after his beloved wife. And they

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Speaker 1: immigrants who came by My maternal family and my paternal

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Speaker 1: have changed their names. My father refused to change Casteira.

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Speaker 2: They had a very positive influence on your upbringing.

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Speaker 1: Oh very much. So. I would spend a month a

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Speaker 1: I was second oldest, my brother Eric with the one

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess I paid the most attention to him.

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Speaker 1: sort of a disappointed uh not. I mean, I can't

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Speaker 2: He sounds fabulous. Okay, your mother taught you how to

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Speaker 1: Favorite dish that she taught you, Oh, PIROGI And I

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Speaker 1: still make her pirogy it's going to be. That's one

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Speaker 1: He would bring home the muskrats that he sold the

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Speaker 2: All of this makes perfect sense given how you're life

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Speaker 2: and career evolved. Even at that age you were doing

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Speaker 1: Entrepreneurial yep, baking. Mom was a great baker, but she

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Speaker 1: always asked me for my vinagrette recipe because I made

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Speaker 2: Are you going to share that with that?

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Speaker 1: All right, we don't have to get it'll be in

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Speaker 1: the hundredth book.

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Speaker 2: Describe one of your first jobs at ten years old.

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Speaker 2: You were babysitting for some very famous people's children. Mickey

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all the Yankees hired the girls from Nottley

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Speaker 2: And you also organize their birthday parties.

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Speaker 1: Well, a neighbor across the street, this beautiful ballerina girl

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she just turned fifty eight, can you believe it?

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Speaker 1: Well, Jude just sent me an agenda for the weekend.

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Speaker 1: They were at Avenue School downtown, where they became fluent

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Speaker 1: But she sent me an agenda. Could I please bring

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Speaker 2: But I wonder where she got that from. That was.

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Speaker 1: of them I haven't met yet. And their mother's called

438
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Speaker 1: to find out where they're going to be safe and

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Speaker 1: where they everything was going to be okay.

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Speaker 2: I think they know they'd be saying, but.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they know who I am. I know,

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Speaker 1: you know, Judea is very they're very private, these kids.

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Speaker 2: Well, and your daughter has said in some print while

444
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Speaker 2: back that she grew up with a glue gun pointed

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Speaker 2: at her head.

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Speaker 1: I must tell you that she is an amazing designer.

447
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 1: She makes all of her jewelry, and she makes Jude's

448
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: jewelry now and so yeah, so what she learned how

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Speaker 1: to do.

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Speaker 2: And she's also said, which I find hard to believe,

451
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Speaker 2: that you hate Halloween and would turn off all the

452
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Speaker 2: lights so no one will come trick or treating.

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Speaker 1: Well, that was only when I was not happy, you know.

454
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Speaker 1: And you know, some Halloweens, I'm happy, and some Halloweens

455
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Speaker 1: I'm not happy. Just look online at Martha Stewart Halloween

456
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Speaker 1: costumes and you will see the most extraordinary lineup of

457
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Speaker 1: Halloween costumes. I have the best Halloween costumes of anybody

458
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Speaker 1: on earth. And so Alexis was not paying attention those years.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this one, you're gonna have the lights on

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Speaker 2: this time?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. The horses just went out. I had

462
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Speaker 1: these michonized horses that we sold in Grandon Road. They're

463
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Speaker 1: large skeletons of beautiful horses, and they light up and

464
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Speaker 1: they neigh. They make evil and the driveway and so

465
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Speaker 1: they're already out in the driveway. They got put up today.

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Speaker 1: The pumpkins have arrived from the garden and from the

467
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Speaker 1: pumpkin farm, and they're all out there now, and then

468
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Speaker 1: other things will be happening.

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Speaker 2: It's Octoberfest at Martha's World. Okay, So then we go

470
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Speaker 2: to sixty seven seventy two. You began your career on

471
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Speaker 2: Wall Street. How did you get your start there?

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Speaker 1: I decided after school that I did want a career

473
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Speaker 1: in Wall Street, and I sort of got interested in investing,

474
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Speaker 1: bought some stocks through my father in law, and started

475
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Speaker 1: to learn about American companies, and I thought this would

476
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Speaker 1: be an interesting an interesting place to go. I interviewed

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Speaker 1: Merrill Lynch, I interviewed Parker red Path, something that's a

478
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: class Parker and red Path. They were too snotty. And

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Speaker 1: then I interviewed a little firm called Pearlberg Moness and

480
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Speaker 1: these go go guys, I mean they were the wild guys.

481
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: That was if you saw Wall Street the movie, this

482
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: was Wall Street times ten, and that appealed to me.

483
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: I just really I really liked that atmosphere because they

484
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: were making a lot of money and they were investing

485
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Speaker 1: in very avant garde companies like McDonald's. Can you imagine McDonald's.

486
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Speaker 1: They were early early investors in McDonald's, which has been

487
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Speaker 1: one of the best investments ever. And they were investing

488
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Speaker 1: in something called Electronic Data Systems EDS. They gave me

489
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Speaker 1: some really difficult clients. They gave me the Rockefeller Brothers Fund.

490
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Speaker 1: They were really hard. I had to go to Rockefeller

491
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Speaker 1: Center and pitch them stocks. They gave me Fidelity in Boston.

492
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Speaker 1: I had to take the plane up to Boston and

493
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Speaker 1: I one day I my husband said to me and

494
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Speaker 1: I said where were you all day? And I said, well,

495
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Speaker 1: I had to fly up to Boston. I took this

496
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Speaker 1: funny little man, he's like right out of the Army,

497
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Speaker 1: Ross Parrot to sell electronic data systems to Fidelity and

498
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Speaker 1: Ross Parrot, I mean he ran for president. Remember he

499
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: invited him and not on the right party, but he

500
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 1: invited me to his to his acceptance speech when he

501
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: was running. And I had so much fun with him.

502
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Speaker 1: He was really interesting and that company was really interesting.

503
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Speaker 2: Are there many other women there at the time I was.

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Speaker 1: There was one other woman called Donna. She was tough.

505
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: She got bitten by a shark and then she stopped

506
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: working a real shark, a shark literally, yeah, yeah, real shark.

507
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: And and these guys were collecting all right, Barbara Nessen's

508
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: were hanging on the wall, and Robert mother Wells. I mean,

509
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,239
Speaker 1: this was a wild place, just like the movie. And

510
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Speaker 1: the education that I got was so good.

511
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Speaker 2: Yeah, ask you what stayed with you from that? What

512
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Speaker 2: did you learn? What was the most important thing you

513
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Speaker 2: learned from that?

514
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: Was good research? Yes, I learned a lot about research

515
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: from Frank Williams, who is still working and still doing stuff,

516
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: and he's just amazing. How important really researching companies like

517
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: researching Tesla. Okay, you have to research these companies before

518
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: you really take a stand on them. And Apple and Microsoft,

519
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: and you can also have a boyfriend who worked at Microsoft.

520
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: That was a good one. That was the good boyfriend.

521
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: And I learned a lot about software, and I learned

522
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: about a lot about Microsoft and about what they do

523
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: and how they do it.

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Speaker 2: Were you able to buy those stocks?

525
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, bought everything you know.

526
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Speaker 2: That was a good job. Then Okay, tell us about

527
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 2: moving to Turkey Hill Road in Westport, Connecticut and restoring

528
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 2: eighteen oh five house. Was that your first major renovation project.

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Speaker 1: Well, we had a little cottage in the Berkshires first,

530
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Speaker 1: and we learned how to do plumbing and carpentry. I

531
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: was a bad carpenter. I was an even worst plumber.

532
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: But I was very good painter, and very good decorator,

533
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: and very good at at finishing things. And you would

534
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: not have liked my kitchen cabinet so much, but I

535
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: did build the entire cabinet cabinet, all the cabinets in

536
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Speaker 1: the kitchen. And this was like a playhouse in the

537
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere in Middlefield, Massachusetts, right down the road

538
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Speaker 1: from Glendale Falls. Some friends down the street had a

539
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: TV and we watched our moon landing. That was so exciting,

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Speaker 1: and it was. It was a fantastic time, and it

541
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Speaker 1: was a very nice upbringing for my daughter. She loved

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Speaker 1: it there and she became a horse of Ventor and

543
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Speaker 1: she it was. It was all very nice. But then

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Speaker 1: then Westport, then we bought Westport, Andy, and I we

545
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: shouldn't have gone that far out. I mean, it was

546
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Speaker 1: it was a long commute but actually he was working

547
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Speaker 1: in Greenwich and I was working in New York, so

548
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,239
Speaker 1: the onus was on me to go all the way

549
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Speaker 1: to New York every day. So it was kind of hard.

550
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Speaker 1: But I loved my house. It was an eighteen oh

551
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Speaker 1: five farmhouse, Federal farmhouse. It was complete wreck when we

552
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: bought it on Cheo acres. We bought the next chee acres,

553
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: and then we bought another shoe acres, and so I

554
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: was on six acres, which I transformed into a very

555
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: beautiful garden, which is still extremely beautiful. The new owners,

556
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: the people I sold it to you about twenty years ago,

557
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: have taken amazing good care of the place.

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Speaker 2: Was it at this house that I read that you

559
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: reportedly had very risk and nude pool parties.

560
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Speaker 1: I don't know where that comes from. I never had

561
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Speaker 1: a nude pool party ever. I think people swam in

562
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Speaker 1: the nude, but it was not a party.

563
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: Much better. I'll be sure to fix that.

564
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Speaker 1: I want to know where that comes from.

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00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 2: Oh okay, So then was it in that basement In

566
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Speaker 2: nineteen seventy six, you and a model friend, Norma Collier,

567
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Speaker 2: started a catering business.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, norm mccaire, who was also one of the

569
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Speaker 1: ten best dress college girls the year before I was

570
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Speaker 1: and Norm M. Collier was a very sort of stiff

571
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Speaker 1: woman with two kids and a German husband, and she

572
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Speaker 1: was very, very strict, And she and I became partners

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Speaker 1: in the Uncatered Affair. That was the name of our

574
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Speaker 1: catering business. She lasted less than a year, and she

575
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: was a good cook, but she did not want to

576
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Speaker 1: work hard like that. That was hard work.

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Speaker 2: Do you said Julia Child was a huge influence. Did

578
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: you really cook every recipe in her two volumes?

579
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Speaker 1: I absolutely did, mastering the artifle. And I should have

580
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Speaker 1: been in that movie.

581
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Speaker 2: You should.

582
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: That movie should have happened. Then I would have been

583
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Speaker 1: a much better Julia. Julie Julie. I'm not Julia. I

584
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Speaker 1: would have been Julie Meryl Streep. I could have been

585
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Speaker 1: the student, but I was too old by then.

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Speaker 2: Also, with your catering business in nineteen seventy seven, you

587
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: were hired to see the opening party have a gorgeous

588
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Speaker 2: news store in New York called Abitare on fifty seventh

589
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Speaker 2: Street between third and second. Do you remember that.

590
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Speaker 1: Oh?

591
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Speaker 2: Yes, I was doing the pr at the time.

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Speaker 1: Oh you were a time I met you my party. Nice.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you a party was beautiful. That It's the

594
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Speaker 2: first time we ever saw tables of cruditay that were

595
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: not just strips of carrots and celery. Everything was in

596
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: you know, there was our chips, cabbages and everything was

597
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: inside the ridicio heads and the cabbage heads. It was gorgeous.

598
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: But you made everybody in the stort crazy. Why because

599
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: you tried to move everything around and you you were

600
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: like making them all nuts. And I remember saying my friends,

601
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: she's never gonna make it in New York. So much

602
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: for my prediction.

603
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Speaker 1: But I did the big party in the armory for

604
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: the Folk Kurt Museum antique show. That was one of

605
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: the funnest parties because I brought in cages of chickens,

606
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: live chickens that were growing, and bales of hay. This

607
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: is before the fire department got smart, and and that

608
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: was that was such a beautiful party and people are

609
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: people still talk about that because it was unusual. Absolutely,

610
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: and now it's not so unusual to see live chickens

611
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: walking around in cages and stuff, you know, like cows.

612
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: Cows are at parties now.

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00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay. Then Andrew became the president of Harry Abrams

614
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: Publishing and he hired you catering company do a big

615
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: book release for a title that was a very very

616
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: successful book, The Secret Book of Nums.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but the first one was Fairies. The party. That

618
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: party was Fairies, and it was by Rune Portfleet of Dutch,

619
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: author and illustrator, and we did the Fairies party, and

620
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Speaker 1: that's where I met That's where I met everybody in publishing.

621
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Speaker 1: I met Alan Murkin, who was running Crown Publishers at

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Speaker 1: the time, and what a lovely, lovely man he was,

623
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Speaker 1: and he was walking around looking I had girls dresses Fairies.

624
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Speaker 1: We had it at the US Customs House, which is

625
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: one of the great landmark buildings here in New York,

626
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: way down in the Financial District, and I had every

627
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: All the girls had wings and they had little gossamer

628
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: dresses and serving. We cooked omelets on those little stoves

629
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Speaker 1: all night long. The late party guests we're invited to

630
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Speaker 1: come like at ten o'clock at night and stay until

631
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Speaker 1: two or three. My mother in law decided to do

632
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: the code check and she forgot to give numbers and

633
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: just a little, just a little glitch in the evening

634
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: because nobody could get their coats. It was so horror horrorfic.

635
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Speaker 1: But I remember that was the only bad thing about

636
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: that party. But it was such a beautiful, beautiful party.

637
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Speaker 1: And mister Murk and Allan invited me to come and

638
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: talk to them about doing a book. And that was

639
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: your first big book, And that was my book, Entertaining.

640
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Speaker 2: How many of you have that book?

641
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Speaker 1: I can't see anybody. It was really a story book.

642
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Speaker 1: It was a picture book, and it was a recipe book.

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Speaker 1: And I worked on it with a woman called Elizabeth

644
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Speaker 1: Hawes who was married to a crazy guy called Davis Weinstock.

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Speaker 2: And your next books were done under the Clarkson Potter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool, that's Crown. Yeah. Clarkson Potter is an

647
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: imprint of Crown Publishers. And I've been with them ever

648
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Speaker 1: since nineteen eighty two, so that's over forty years.

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00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: And that was the same time that a good friend

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Speaker 2: of mine who you knew well, Lee Bailey, was doing

651
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 2: cookbook Oh love. Those were the first real cookbooks with photographs.

652
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: Oh yes, the food before that, you never saw pictures

653
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Speaker 2: of the food exactly.

654
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Speaker 1: And Claires and Potter at first when they saw that

655
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: Entertaining and the volume of pictures and texts. They said, well,

656
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: how about black and white? I said, absolutely not. It

657
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: has to be a full color book. It has to

658
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 1: be a beautiful book in addition to being a useful book.

659
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: And so that's been the whole that's my modus operandi

660
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: in for books. It has to be beautiful, it has

661
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: to be useful, it has to be practical, and you

662
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: have to be able to read it, and you have

663
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: to be able to read it. So we're on the

664
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Speaker 1: hundredth now.

665
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Speaker 2: Well, the books followed Martha Stewart, Quick Cook, Martha Stewart

666
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: or durvs Martha Stewart, Pies and Tarts, Weddings, The Wedding Planner,

667
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 2: Martha's Do Secrets for Entertaining, Quick Quick cook Menus, Martha's

668
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 2: Steward Christmas. And now it's up to one hundred books.

669
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 2: That's pretty Yeah, it's very exciting. One hundred book, come on.

670
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: And that was followed by endless articles in magazine's newspapers,

671
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 2: TV appearances on Oprah and Larry King. Any of those

672
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: experiences stand out to you as well.

673
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: I still have my first interview on Oprah when she

674
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: was in Baltimore. It was it was so interesting. It's

675
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: so interesting to look at that interview with Oprah then

676
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: and then and see Oprah now. It's it's incredible. And

677
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: the same thing with Rosie O'Donnell was early interviews with

678
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: Rosie and being on her show the whole My life

679
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: has really spanned so many decades that and so many

680
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: interesting things happened in each of those decades, in terms

681
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 1: of media, in terms of fashion, in terms of just lifestyle,

682
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: evolution of lifestyle. It's been a very interesting, interesting life.

683
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: That's why you're here tonight, thank you. Oh but then

684
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: it kind of that time your marriage was over. You

685
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 2: separated during the wedding book tour.

686
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: Now take that and that was so cruel. Ugh, it

687
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: was so cruel having to talk about weddings when you're

688
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: in the middle of a like a not a very

689
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: nice divorce.

690
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: Well that was after twenty six years together. And you

691
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: were quoted in CNN saying and in twenty seventeen quote,

692
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 2: I had to sacrifice a marriage because of the lore

693
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 2: of the great job, the fabulous workplace. But I don't

694
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: regret it at all, because what I've done is something

695
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 2: bigger and better than just one marriage who was nice.

696
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: I must have that's okay, and have to remember to

697
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: look for that one up.

698
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: I'd be a little embroidered on a pillow. I also

699
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: read that you dated Sir Anthony Hopkins for a while

700
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 2: but broke up because you couldn't stop thinking of him

701
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 2: as a Hannibal lecter.

702
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: Well, that's true too, because I was introduced to him

703
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: by Tom Cruise when he was still married to Nicole.

704
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: And they took me out to Tom Cruise. That's no,

705
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: that was nice. They took me out to dinner with

706
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: Anthony and Sir Hopkins and out in California, and then

707
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: he took me back to his house. It was a

708
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: nice house, it wasn't great, and and I was staying

709
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: at the Beverly Hills Hotel and and I said I

710
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: had to go back to the hotel because I had

711
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: to work the next morning. And then he said, please,

712
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: you know, come back to come back tomorrow night. And

713
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: he was very nice, very very nice. But then I

714
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: was trying to think if I could possibly invite him

715
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: up to Maine, because I have this large home in Maine,

716
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: and I just couldn't think of having him stay on this,

717
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: like the second floor, because it's too close to Hannibal.

718
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: I mean, really, he's a very good actor. How stupid

719
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: he was. He's a very interesting man. I'm stupid.

720
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: Other famous manudated famous.

721
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: The man who invented word in excel for Microsoft. He

722
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: was number thirteen employee at Microsoft. He's a geek. He's

723
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: his t shirts read eminence geek. And so I should

724
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: have taken that as a but that was fifteen years.

725
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: I duted him for fifteen years. And and he you know,

726
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: he had the he had the boat, he at the plane,

727
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: he had the helicopters, he had you know, all that

728
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: stuff that was a transportation. And then he had the

729
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: transport and and but I actually really was I was

730
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: really very kind, as you put in anything. You know.

731
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: I was a nice, nice person, and I thought he

732
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: should have kids, and I was I was too old

733
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: to have kids at that point. And I, you know,

734
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 1: I kept encouraging him, you know, have some babies someplace,

735
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: you know. Because so then he he married somebody like

736
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: twenty five years younger than he, of course, and she

737
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: got all the planes and the boats and all of

738
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 1: that stuff, and the babies and the babies.

739
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 2: Okay. In nineteen ninety you signed with Time Publishing ventures

740
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: to develop a new magazine called Martha Stewart Living that

741
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 2: started with a base circulation of three hundred and fifty thousand,

742
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: and it peaked years later at over two million copies

743
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 2: per issue. Tell us about that magazine, which I loved

744
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: very much.

745
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: Well, it passes fortieth anniversary, which I was very proud of.

746
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 1: The magazine was presented first as a book series of books.

747
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: To Clarkson Potter, I said, you know, I'd like to

748
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: write about all other subjects, not just food. And I

749
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: had done food and gardening and weddings, and I thought

750
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: that there are many other categories of lifestyle that I

751
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: could really write about, including collecting, including entertaining, including decorating,

752
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: including just special special life events. And they said, ah,

753
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: you know, we'll just do books. We're planning to do

754
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: books and all those subjects we don't want you just

755
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: to do. I called them the beautiful how to books.

756
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: So then I thought, ah, well, the format that would

757
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: really work for all of this would be a magazine.

758
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: And at the time, in nineteen eighty nine, magazines were

759
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: not doing so well. They were several magazines I think

760
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: for every new magazine, three were closing. And because of

761
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: the advertising at that comment at that time. But I

762
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: went to sign neuhause he gave me he liked the

763
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: idea and he liked the name living, and he gave

764
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: me the money to build a prototype. And I worked

765
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: with jug Turshian and several other really talented people to

766
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: create this beautiful, beautiful prototype magazine. And then when SI

767
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: saw it, and we became friends during the process, so

768
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: I saw it, he said, oh, well, what do you

769
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: want to call it? And I said, well, Martha's Stewart Living.

770
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: And he said, well, this is Condy Nast Martha, and

771
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: it has to be Condy Nest Living. And I said,

772
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: if that's a deal breaker, can I have the prototype?

773
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: And he gave me the prototype, and I went to

774
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 1: another very powerful, lovely man. I went to succession to Rupert,

775
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: and I first met with his lawyers. I was in

776
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: a room way up high in some building and they're

777
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: all very they're waiting for Rupert to show up, and

778
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: they're all chatting away and being friendly, and they had

779
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: sort of thumbed through the prototype and Rupert came in.

780
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: They all changed totally. I mean, it was just it

781
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 1: really was like the show. Rupert changed the whole room

782
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he really had it at that especially

783
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: at that time, this is nineteen eighty nine. He was

784
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: fantastic and he said he looked at it and said,

785
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: I would really like to do this, but I'm selling

786
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: my magazines. I'm you know, seventeen, I just sold and

787
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,959
Speaker 1: I'm selling this and I'm selling that. And he said,

788
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: I suggest you take this to Time. So he gave

789
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: me at least a lead to Time, and so I

790
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: went to Time and met with the CEO and the

791
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: president of Time Magazines and we had lunch at Caravillan

792
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: restaurant and the guys looked through the prototype at lunch

793
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: and they said, yeah, this is the July issue. What

794
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: are you going to do next to wy It looks

795
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 1: like you covered it. And I said, well, you don't

796
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 1: get it. It's living is limitless. This is a subject

797
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: matter that can go on for years and years and years.

798
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 1: And they finally bought it, and they but they did.

799
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: I said, if you don't like it after a while,

800
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: you know, here's a piece of paper, what's the price

801
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: for me to get it back? Because it's a fifty

802
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: to fifty kind of partnership. And they wrote down a

803
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: kind of an astronomical sum at the time, but it

804
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: turned out to be a bargain after the few years

805
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,479
Speaker 1: I was there, and I bought it back.

806
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: And how soon after that did Martha Stewart Living become

807
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 2: a TV show?

808
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: Oh? Pretty soon, right after. I believed in a word

809
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: called synergy. At first time thought that was a dirty word,

810
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: and I thought, you know, time, you're get with it.

811
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: You know, TV does not cannibalize the magazine. People who

812
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: watch TV don't necessarily buy the magazine, but if they

813
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: get hooked on the TV show, they'll buy the magazine.

814
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: And we had a big arguments about synergy, and the

815
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: synergy went on, and I mean these arguments went on.

816
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: It was real kind of boring after a while. But

817
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: I got a TV show. At first it was a

818
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: weekly once once a week show on CBS. Then it

819
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: went to daily and and that was fantastic in retrospect.

820
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be doing a daily magazine if I were myself,

821
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: if I were still being editor in chief and creator

822
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: of the magazine itself, because you take on you know,

823
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: you just can't balance it all. It's very hard. And

824
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: even though I had a fabulous editor in chief as

825
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: old A Motley who stayed and worked for time. After

826
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: a while, I was always doing too much, but uh,

827
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: but it was great. And then the TV show became

828
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: very successful the and I and I liked doing it

829
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: because I got such great guests on the show. Everybody

830
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: wanted to be a guest. I mean, Russell Crowe came on,

831
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 1: you know, what the heck you know? And uh and

832
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: and all in late night hosts came on because they

833
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: loved the show. Everybody did.

834
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. And when did you start? When did did you

835
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: meet and start working with you? Long time publicist Susan mcgrino.

836
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 1: Oh, about forty years ago, a little bit more. Susan

837
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: was maybe an associate editor, but she was doing pr

838
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 1: and marketing at Clarkson Potter. So that's where we met.

839
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: I remember encouraging her. She would go on all the

840
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: book trips with me. I mean we went we went

841
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: to all over the country and we had so much fun.

842
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: When we went down in Mississippi, we stopped in to

843
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: visit on John Grisham and we stopped in we had

844
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,919
Speaker 1: Dome perignyome for breakfast with him. And then we would

845
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: drive around and rented Cadillacs and we had so much

846
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: fun and we still have fun. She went to Paris

847
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: with me this past weekend.

848
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: Just came back trip to Pramez. Yeah, you did mention

849
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 2: the late night talk shows. I mean you've been on Letterman,

850
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: Fallon seth Meyer, all of those. Often is the one

851
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: that's your favorite?

852
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's like my children. You can never say that,

853
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: they're all so different. I did like messing up David

854
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: Letterman's suit. I was able. They let me pour stuff

855
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: on his suit and they said, nobody's ever been able

856
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: to do that before. And he didn't hit me.

857
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: And then a couple of years later, you were working

858
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: with Sharon Patrick and managed to purchase all your television,

859
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: print and merchandise and ventures related to this, Martha Stewart

860
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: Brand consolidated into a new company which you became chairman, chairwoman,

861
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: CEO and president of Martha Stewart on the Media.

862
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: Arthur Stewart Living on the Media.

863
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: How did that change everything?

864
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: Wow? It was great and the contracts were wonderful. We

865
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: got kmart to approve a contract that allowed us to

866
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: license all the products that we were developing. My theory

867
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: was that if you read the magazine and you get

868
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: all these fantastic ideas everything every I mean, if you

869
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: see a yellow towel in our magazine, you want that towel,

870
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: but you can't make the towel, but you could by

871
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: the towel. So that's how the merchandising started. So omnimedia

872
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: meant in the center. It was the it was like

873
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: a solar system. My business plan was beautiful, it was

874
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: it was the solar system. Middle was content. The first

875
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: little orbit orbit was omnim media. So that was the

876
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: magazines and the books. Then it was omni merchandising the

877
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: products that emanated from all that content. Then it was

878
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: omni Internet because the Internet was just starting. I mean

879
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: Google is just twenty five years old and my magazine's

880
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: forty years old. But in nineteen eighty two I bought

881
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: my first computer, so I knew that computers were going

882
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: to be something special. And it's it's all panned out and.

883
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: Then you went. Then you went public on the New

884
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 2: York Stock Exchange October nineteen ninety nine, twenty three years ago.

885
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: What was that day like?

886
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: Well, I remember serving croissant and nice drinks to all

887
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: the traders on the floor, and the company went public

888
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: with great eight enthusiasm, and the stock went from eighty

889
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 1: eighteen dollars a share opening price to about thirty seven

890
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: dollars a year, so we became instant billionaires.

891
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: You were the first female self made billionaire in the

892
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: US BEFO.

893
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I remember. But the funnest thing was I

894
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: remember driving up Madison Avenue and saying, Oh, Josh, I

895
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 1: could stop anywhere and buy anything today. It was so excited.

896
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: That was exciting. And then I went home and my mom.

897
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: My mom had sold all her stock and she was

898
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: a She was a millionaire at the end of the day.

899
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: She was smart. She sold the stock on the first day,

900
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: but unbeknownst to me, we didn't put it. We didn't

901
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: put a stop gap on her. She was just she

902
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: was very smart.

903
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: But then what happened a couple of years later, You

904
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 2: got a tip from your broker.

905
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: No, I didn't get a tip, and it was all

906
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: that is old old newsman, and I ran into a

907
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: financial problem and I was accused of lying about and

908
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: lying about a crime I didn't commit. So it's kind

909
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: of convoluted. You're going to have to wait for my documentary,

910
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: which is coming out next year, to learn the real story,

911
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about it. And it was at

912
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: the wrong time. I was in the wrong time at

913
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: the wrong place. Look what's going on in the newspapers

914
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: two day Supreme Court Justice Menendez terms, all.

915
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 2: Right, so you're not going to tell us about five

916
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: months in a prison in West.

917
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: Oh the five months are It's fine. They were. It

918
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: was like going to camp. It was called it was

919
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: called Camp Alderson. We nicknamed it Camp Olderson. It was

920
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: on the grounds of a all girls private school, like

921
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: a like a junior college in West Virginia, on a

922
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: river polluted by the coal mines. And and it was

923
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: kind of interesting. I was in a dormitory. I had

924
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: a roommate. She had the top funk. I had the

925
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: bottom bunk, and she slept with giant curlers in her

926
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: hair every night. And and you were not You were

927
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: allowed three books a week. That's all. You were allowed

928
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: three books from the library. And I managed to get

929
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: more books. There were like things to do at night

930
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: after after dinner. You there was craft classes. There was

931
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: a writing class. There was an entrepreneurial class.

932
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: All these classes.

933
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: No, no, I actually taught entrepreneurial behavior and that. And

934
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: when I got I asked for business plans. Oh gosh,

935
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: there were some crazy plants, very interesting, and I helped.

936
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: I helped a lot of women there, and I made

937
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: some nice friends, Sister Carol Gilbert. She was a Catholic

938
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: nun who had been convicted of trespassing on government property

939
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: on a nuclear warhead site out in Colorado. She was

940
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: there for like fifteen years. Horrible, horrible misjustice and injustice

941
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: I learned. I learned a lot about the American penal

942
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: system and how stupid it is.

943
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 2: But do you remember a visit you had when you

944
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 2: were there from the designer Ralph Rucci, who's here tonight.

945
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 2: He managed to smuggle in some frockaf.

946
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: The smuggling stuff worked sort of. I mean, thanks Ralph.

947
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 1: We love Ralph, we love him. But I had nice visitors.

948
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: Nathan Mervel from Microsoft came down in his private plane

949
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,439
Speaker 1: just to see me and talk. Gil Butler came down

950
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: from New York to talk about my foundation and what

951
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: I should do. I mean, amazing visits. Andy Monest, my

952
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: old stockbroker boss. He came down on the wrong day

953
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: and had to go back. They wouldn't let him see me.

954
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: And you know, stuff like that. Stupid stuff. I got

955
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: put into solitary, which was like a whole way with

956
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: a bench in it for a day because they found

957
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: a hard boiled egg in my room. I made apple

958
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: jelly from the crab apples growing outside our dormitory, and

959
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: and that was okay. They didn't mind that.

960
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: They didn't invite you into the kitchen to cook anything.

961
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, you wouldn't want to be in that kitchen.

962
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: You know, twelve month old eggs and stuff's crazy. But

963
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: I had a friend, Audium, who's was there for not

964
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: telling stories on her boyfriend, and her mother is from Eritrea,

965
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: and she would bring those that soft, beautiful bread, you know,

966
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,439
Speaker 1: the Ethiopian bread stuffed in her bra because it didn't

967
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: show up on the X rays. And we would eat

968
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: that delicious Ungia bread. Oh so good.

969
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 2: Okay, So that really didn't change a lot in your life,

970
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 2: because when you came out, they would deals with kmarts,

971
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 2: years more shows. We're on the Hallmark Channel. You acted

972
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 2: in Law and Order SVU. You're an ugly betty and

973
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 2: then you serious exam. You did flooring and furniture collections, wines,

974
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: frozen food with Costco.

975
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: No, it was okay, and because I think people realized

976
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: the enormous of injustice and crazy stuff going on.

977
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 2: How many different lines do you have or have you had? Licenses?

978
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: Quite a few. I especially love doing the doing the

979
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: home goods, the kitchen wears. We have some beautiful kitchen wears.

980
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: We just started our own Martha store on Amazon, which

981
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 1: is growing nicely. I was doing a very nice fashion

982
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: line talking about fashion icons on QVC, which did very well.

983
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: I mean, they loved my embroidered jeans. I had peacocks

984
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: on them because of my peacocks and poppy flowers because

985
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 1: I grow a lot of poppies. We did very nice,

986
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: very nice clothing for QVC, well fitted and well made.

987
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: My downpuffer vest is very popular still. We're now making

988
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,479
Speaker 1: it in leather, which everybody loves. Pleather, not real leather,

989
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: vegan leather.

990
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: And all of this is online.

991
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: A lot of it's online. I'm doing a line of

992
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: sketches which are extremely popular. Commercials are running, yeah, they're

993
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: running all the time. And I'm actually really having some

994
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: influence on the designs and on the actual fabrication. And

995
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: they're very nice, very nice comfortable shoes. Even my male

996
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: friends are wearing them.

997
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 2: And you got your friend, which we'll talk about. Snoop

998
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 2: Dogg tell us about that.

999
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: Really, Snoop and I became friends on my program. He

1000
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 1: came to talk about brownies and different recipes a long

1001
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: long time ago. And then we were asked. We were

1002
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: both asked to be on the Justin Bieber Roast and

1003
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: Snoop and I sat next to each other and rebonded,

1004
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 1: and somebody saw our behavior on that roast and asked

1005
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: us if we would do a show. We did the

1006
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: Martha and Snoop Pop Luck Dinner Party show, which was

1007
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: very fun. I got to meet every rapper, every performer

1008
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: that I had never dreamed of meeting and talking to

1009
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: on that show. We had a great time, and I

1010
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: brought I brought unusual foods. I mean I brought mister

1011
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: chow on and Snoop had to eat stuff that he

1012
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: had never tasted before. He now has two successful cookbooks

1013
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: because of me, Yeah, because of me. And he also

1014
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: has a line of sketchers.

1015
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 2: And he has a new holiday show coming up.

1016
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: Oh he's He's doing a lot of good stuff and

1017
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: has a movie coming out to which I cannot wait for.

1018
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 2: And I also read which I'm very excited about you

1019
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 2: creating a healthy cat and dog food line cooperation with

1020
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 2: Chewy Does. Yes.

1021
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: Oh, that's just hitting the stores and my dogs love it.

1022
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: My cat is a little fussy, but but she she's

1023
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: she's she'll like it when she when she gets nothing

1024
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: else eat everyst tang has everything. She's the greatest. How

1025
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: many animals do you have, Oh, several hundred, because I have.

1026
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: I have five horses, five donkeys. Five. I ride the

1027
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 1: horses and the girls are riding on Sunday and Monday.

1028
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: We have peacocks. We have all kinds of We have

1029
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: the United Nations of geese. We have German geese, we

1030
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: have Chinese geese, we have Italian geese, we have French geese,

1031
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: the ones with the big livers. And we have American geese.

1032
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: And they're beautiful and they're they're all living happily on

1033
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: the property.

1034
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:23,959
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to Sports Illustrated May twenty three cover

1035
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 2: how did that opportunity come to you and were you

1036
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,959
Speaker 2: at all hesitant that being photographed in a bathing suit

1037
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: at your age?

1038
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: Well? I have My body's pretty good, and you know,

1039
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: I work out. I got the call in November. Susan mcgreen. Now,

1040
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's Susan's called me first and

1041
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: warned me that they were going to call. Somebody called me,

1042
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: and so I was waiting for Mjday, who's this fabulous editor.

1043
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: She's been the editor of the Sports Illustrated magazine for

1044
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: quite a while. Young, beautiful and blonde. And she said,

1045
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: you know, we'd like you to pose for the swimsuit issue,

1046
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: and you want to do that. I mean, for heaven's sake,

1047
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: to be on the cover of Sports Illustrated at eighty

1048
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: two years old in a bathing suit. And I didn't

1049
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: know I had nine pages to do and nine different

1050
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: bathing suits. So we get we they she said this,

1051
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: in two months, we're going to go down to to

1052
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: Cosa de Compo in the Dominican Republic. And it was

1053
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: it was fun. I got there on a Thursday night,

1054
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: I think it was Wednesday night. Had to try on

1055
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: I don't know how many bathing suits, and you know,

1056
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: you have to sort of like I had had. I

1057
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:36,439
Speaker 1: had been waxed, I had been sprays hand, I had

1058
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: been quaffed and bleached in the whole the whole thing.

1059
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 1: I think I even had my face waxed. I mean

1060
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: all kinds of straight. You do all these things, and

1061
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: I don't spend a lot of time on that. I

1062
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: have to have makeup for TV every day, but I

1063
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: don't spend a lot of time doing the other stuff.

1064
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: But I do go. I did go to plates. I

1065
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: discovered pilates, and I went at least three times a week,

1066
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 1: sometimes four times a week to pilates, and then continued

1067
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: to horseback ride and my regular trainer. So I got

1068
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: in good shape and it shows in the pictures.

1069
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 2: It totally does truth.

1070
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 1: And you and you, and it's and it's kind of fun,

1071
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: I mean, being poked and prodd. And they called them girls.

1072
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,439
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, for Heaven's sake, you know, let's

1073
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: push your girls this way or that. I mean, they

1074
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: have a whole different language and a bathing suit. Shoot.

1075
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 2: So is Playboy next?

1076
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: Never?

1077
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 2: Okay? We want we won't wait for that? Or what

1078
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 2: about the new TV show on the Bachelor is the

1079
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor? You can be the Golden Bachelorette?

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00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: No, no, no interest?

1081
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, we talked about They.

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00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: Asked me to be dancing in the stars. That kind

1083
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: of appealed to me, but I had had to spend

1084
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: too much time out west and so I have the business.

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00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: I can't spend that time out in the West Coast.

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00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 2: A good friend of mine, which is whos usually always

1087
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 2: hear what is out to myight, Jeffrey Banks posted a

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00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 2: picture of Kevin McCarthy as on Dancing with the Stars.

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00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: So that's way way. I was at a dinner and

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00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: this handsome man was sitting two seats for me until

1091
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: I realized who it was. It was Kevin McCarthy.

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00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 2: Is it true that your shoe size is twelve?

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00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: Excuse me?

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00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 2: Your shoe size is a ten ten. Somebody told me

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00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 2: you size twelve twelve? And do you really have someone

1096
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 2: paint the red bottoms of the Lubaton shoes by.

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00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: Painted with a black sharpie pen because I don't want

1098
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: red heels on the I'm red soles on my shoes

1099
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: like everybody else.

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00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 2: Good for you, okay.

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00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: He accosted me about that. He was not happy he

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00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: was on this stage of me.

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00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 2: He was, okay, okay, And you're doing a new ford

1104
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 2: a line of comfortable gardening clothes with Tractor Supply Company.

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00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 2: I think that sounds fantastic.

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00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: Very fun. See, because that what do I wear every day.

1107
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: I wear that stuff in the garden. I have a big,

1108
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: big garden, and I and a big property, and I

1109
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: have to wear comfortable clothes and I still have to

1110
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: look nice. I remember my daughter when she was at

1111
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: greens Farms Academy. She came home one day and she said, mother,

1112
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: can I ask you to do one thing? And I said,

1113
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: what she said, do not wear your apron to the

1114
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: grocery store. Because somebody said and told her that they

1115
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: had seen me in an apron. So you have to

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00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: look nice when you go to the grocery store. And

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00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: I want all women to feel comfortable and work well

1118
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: and still have you know, have some style.

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00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 2: That's great. What's your favorite item that you have with

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00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 2: your name on it?

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00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: Very my square ladle, square ladle. It wasn't that weird.

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00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: It's a ladle. You know, Usually ladle's a round or

1123
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: oval or you know, but this is a square one

1124
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: with a handle on one side. So it's like when

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00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: you're filling jilly jars you pour out a corner. Yes,

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00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: and so that's one of my very favorite tools. The

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00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: weirdest and the weirdest thing I my name on it. Kevin,

1128
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: what a dibber. You need a dibber. My gibber is

1129
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: a pointed tool that you pushed down into the ground

1130
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: to plant bulbs or little plants, and that's called a jibber.

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01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 2: I'm going to go to some audience questions, but then

1132
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 2: I have two more things to ask you. A question

1133
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 2: from a Ukrainian woman to a Polish woman. Do you

1134
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 2: prefer your Perrogi's boiled, a fried?

1135
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: Oh, boiled, always boiled first and then next day warmed

1136
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: and brown butter.

1137
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 2: Nice? Okay. What was your most memorable wardrobe malfunction?

1138
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,959
Speaker 1: Hmm oh. I went to a dinner at the White

1139
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: House and for some stupid reason, I wore a beautiful

1140
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: suit by the way Ralph Lauren pink silk chantung suit,

1141
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: but it had culots and I got kind of a

1142
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: line for wearing coolots to the White House formal dinner.

1143
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 2: What is the best gift you have ever received?

1144
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: Best gift was the birth of my child, and the

1145
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: second best were the two grandchildren.

1146
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 2: Great. What advice do you have for any aspiring entrepreneurs

1147
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 2: watching or listening to you tonight?

1148
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: If you have a good idea and you have a

1149
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: passion for that idea, take it to the next level.

1150
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: Build a business plan, be serious, know that the work

1151
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: is all ahead of you, that business plans easy compared

1152
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: to what comes afterward. And go for it. I think

1153
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: going for it is like the best thing that you

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01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: could possibly ever do.

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01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 2: I'd like to end tonight's talk with something that you

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01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 2: said to Booth Moore from Women's With Daily and a

1157
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 2: talk during the Magic Show in Vegas, And this is

1158
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 2: a quote from you. You must really assume an authentic personality.

1159
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 2: You must be authentic to yourself and to the public.

1160
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 2: You must learn every day so that you can teach

1161
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 2: every day. I am a teacher. I don't think of

1162
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 2: reinvention as much as I think of evolution. I want

1163
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 2: to evolve and evolve and get better and not stay

1164
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 2: the same.

1165
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: And that's the truth.

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01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 2: That's the truth.

1167
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: That is the truth.

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01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 2: And tonight we had a masterclass from the best teacher

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01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 2: in the world. Thank you, thank you.

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01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: That is so nice.