1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: here with Cliff dun Brown stepping in for Garrett Downing. 3 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: He's got a sick kid at home. Really, what it 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: is is, he lost the travel draft, He's got the 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: Christmas game. He knows he's not gonna be seeing baby 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: Betty for Christmas. There's a little extra time right now 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: in May with Betty since he's gonna be in Houston. 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: We miss the Yarrett. I hope bet he's feeling better anyway. 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: Moving on to OTAs, we're gonna break down the first 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: couple of practices. It's the first week of OTAs for 11 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: the Ravens, and Cliff and I have watched both the 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: practices open to the media, so we're gonna give you 13 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: our biggest takeaways, and Cliff I'll start here. I think 14 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: obviously a big storyline was just coming off of last 15 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: year's AFC Championship Game loss. This is the first time 16 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: back on the field, this is the first time hearing 17 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: from players since that loss. And one thing that stuck 18 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: out to me was, of course, last year hurts still 19 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: lingers still hurt. Heard that from Lamar Zay Todd Monkin, 20 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: John Harball, everybody. But it's a new team, new season. 21 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: I think people like it always cracks me up, the 22 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: question of like how much are you still thinking about it? 23 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: Do you think about it? Do you have to let 24 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: it go? All? We're all humans, right right? These are 25 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: human beings. I know they're special athletes, special coaches, all 26 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: that stuff, but they're human beings. Of course, that's never 27 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: going to leave your memory. That one's unfortunately dug in there, 28 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: right a loss like that, but you have to kind 29 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: of of course, you don't sit there and cry, you know, 30 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: at your locker before every practice that you go out for. 31 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: OTA's either you move on. And like this team has 32 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: done that, and I think that they feel confident despite 33 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: the loss in the NAFCY Championship game, the losses in 34 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: free agency, the losses, and the coaching staff, the front office, 35 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: that they're gonna be a pretty good darn good team, 36 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: this team this year as well. Right. 37 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: I mean, sure, I was a crushing defeat, but especially 38 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: in football, every year is a season onto its you 39 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: have to you can't rest on last year's laurels or 40 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: last year's disappointments. 41 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 3: The rosters different. 42 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: We've talked all off season about how we've lost players 43 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 2: and players have come in, how the coach the staff 44 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 2: is different. The twenty twenty four Ravens are defining their 45 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: own story separately from twenty twenty three, and they're still 46 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: a contender. You know, they have Lamar Jackson, John Harball, 47 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: you know, ro qwand Smith, Kyle Hamilton, Justin Madowege. 48 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 3: I mean and on and on. 49 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 2: So yeah, they feel like they can win the Super 50 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: Bowl again. Yeah, and that makes it easier to deal 51 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: with as opposed to you know, I wasn't working for 52 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: the Ravens in twenty thirteen, but I think that may 53 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: have been a different feel even after winning a Super 54 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 2: Bowl that while you know it's uphill to try and 55 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: repeat as champs, this team, there's no doubt in my 56 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: mind that they felt they were the best see in 57 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 2: NFL last year, yep, and that they have a great 58 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 2: chance to win Super Bowl this year. 59 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally agree. Obviously, a huge talking point coming into 60 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: OTA's was Lamar Jackson's waistline. His weight obviously down ten 61 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: pounds since last year, and he said previously about twenty 62 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: five pounds since two years ago. You see it, I 63 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: mean to me, as someone that saw Lamar Jackson every 64 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: day last fall. It's different, not crazy from last year, 65 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: because ten pounds is ten pounds, you know, but he 66 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: looks smaller. Is this a big deal? Is this a 67 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: bad thing? Is this a good thing? He told reporters 68 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: that really it was to become more agile. That was 69 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: his aim for why he wanted to lose some weight. 70 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: What do you think, Cliff, what do you think of 71 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: his weight loss? And is it good? 72 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 3: Well? I take it at his word and that's why 73 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 3: he did it. 74 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: I think that, yes, he will be more agile if 75 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: he plays at this weight once the season starts. You know, 76 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 2: one of the things about being young and in shape 77 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 2: like he is, he'll have a chance spear man a 78 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: little bit over the next couple of months, and if 79 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: he thinks he's too light, he can pick up some weight. 80 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: What are you trying to say about how young and 81 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: in shape you are, Cliff? 82 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: I just kind of I'm saying that I'm neither, and 83 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: then i'm and then I'm jealous. But you know, fortunately 84 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 2: I'm not playing quarterback for Davin, so it's cool, right, 85 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 2: But yeah, so I think it's fine if that's how 86 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: he feels I think it's fine, and I do think 87 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: Lamar's elusiveness. I think he's the most elusive quarterback who 88 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 2: ever played. I mean usually people talk about, you know, 89 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: it's either Lamar as far as being the best running quarterback, 90 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 2: or Michael Vick or some people getting to throw Cam 91 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: Newton in there. 92 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 3: Right, there's no. 93 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: Terms of elusiveness right on both those. 94 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 3: That's his gift. 95 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: Vic would be number two. 96 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: On the right, right, but he wasn't elusive in my 97 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 2: opinion as Lamar. He's fast, right fast exactly. It's that 98 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: phone booth. Don't even touch him in tight spaces. So yeah, 99 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 2: if he gets back to that, yeah, I think it's 100 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: a great idea. And I don't think being like it 101 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 2: makes him more susceptible to injury. 102 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 3: I don't. 103 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 2: I mean, if he were a running back, you know, pounding, 104 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 2: you know, carrying at fifteen twenty times a game, getting 105 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 2: hit by much bigger guys, if he's as elusive as 106 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: he has been in the past, he's not going to 107 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 2: get hit hard that many times. I don't think running 108 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: the ball and his injuries have come in the pocket, 109 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 2: so I'm not worried about. Well, he's lighter now now 110 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 2: he's more acceptible injury. I don't think so, so I 111 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 2: actually like it. If I had to, what would I 112 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 2: rather see Lamar play it two thirty or two ten? 113 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 3: Say, I'd go with two ten. 114 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I think the question is whether it's two 115 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: of five okay, which is what he said with me. Yeah, 116 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: I'll say, Hey, I don't think that. I don't. I 117 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: don't know, And I kind of doubt that he's going 118 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: to start the season at two o five. You know, 119 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: the Ravens have said they want to put more weight 120 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: on him, put a little more on the little more 121 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: lean muscle, I think was the way that Scott Elliott 122 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: put it. So just because it's two o five now 123 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's going to be ten a kickoff Week 124 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,799 Speaker 1: one at in Aarrawhead Stadium. I doubt he will be okay. 125 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: And I also think that, yeah, this is a guy 126 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,799 Speaker 1: that's shown he's he has a knack for avoiding big hits. 127 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: I'm I've never really bought into the Lamar durability concerns 128 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: that there's been over his entire career. He is gifted 129 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: in that way. He's gifted in many ways, and one 130 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: of his gifts is being able to avoid those hits. 131 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: Does he take him sometimes? 132 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 3: Sure? 133 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, every quarterback does. Every quarterback takes a blind side. 134 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: You just get clobbered in the pocket too, right, you 135 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: take those shots as well. I think that, you know, 136 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: having some enough muscle, enough bulk that you can take 137 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: some of those hits and not be snapped in half 138 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: is important. I think he's okay in that regard. The 139 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: vibe that I've gotten from him, from John Harball, from 140 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: everybody is we're not making a big deal out of this. 141 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: The team is not certainly not making as big a 142 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: deal out of this as everybody else is outside the team. 143 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: John Harvill said he's a pro, like he's approaching this 144 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: the right way. He's working with the right people, you know, 145 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: Like I'm not worried about Lamar and his weight. And 146 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: when you watch him practice, you know, he didn't practice 147 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: on Thursday, he did on Wednesday. No difference. Just watching 148 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: him in practice. He's still throwing the ball, moving, you know, running, 149 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: just elusive, you know, just like he was before. It 150 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: doesn't look it's hard to say is he more elusive, 151 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: Is he a hair faster? It's impossible to really say. 152 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: The Ravens know they wear the tracking devices they you know, 153 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: during practice they have those catapult tracking devices that they 154 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: all wear. The Ravens know the answer to that. We're 155 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: not privy to that inside information, but I'd be curious 156 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: as to what the actual metrics are when they get 157 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: a few practices under their belt. I think another takeaway 158 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: that we learned on Wednesday, this from a news standpoint, 159 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: is Keaton Mitchell coming off of last year's late season 160 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: knee injury. John Harball said that he will not be 161 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: ready for one, which is not a surprise. When we 162 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: did our fifty three man way too early fifty three 163 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: man roster projection, we've had Keaton Mitchell on IR, starting 164 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: on pupp you know, starting not on IR, but starting 165 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: the season on the physically unable to perform list. 166 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 3: Uh. 167 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: And that certainly sounds like the route that this is going. 168 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 3: To go, right. 169 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 2: But I mean, I like the fact that they definitely 170 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 2: feel he's on schedule, if not ahead exactly. And the 171 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 2: impact that he had on the offense was dramatic. It 172 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 2: exceeded to me what anyone could have expected. 173 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 3: Yep. 174 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 2: So you get him back at any point before the 175 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: season ends. The Ravens offense has another dynamic. 176 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's let's not like he'll still be coming 177 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: off the knee, right, So it's like hard to expect 178 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: that it's going to be the same Keaton Mitchell that 179 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: we saw at his peak last year, right, Like, even 180 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 1: once he's back on the field, I think there will 181 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: be a little bit of a process. Sure, but how 182 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: much did Keaton Mitchell contribute last year the first six 183 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: weeks this season? 184 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 3: They don't have to rush them, right, they don't have 185 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 3: to rush them. 186 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. 187 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: I think Keithon Mitchell will be even better in twenty 188 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 2: twenty five, probably a year more removed from the injury 189 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: than this year. 190 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: But if he if late down the stretch this year, 191 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: let's say he gets on the field after a week seven, right, 192 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: let's just say, Okay, he's gonna need some more time 193 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: to kind of get right. But if he in week 194 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen, On is looking like he's pretty close to 195 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: the Keaton Mitchell from last year, sign me up. 196 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean he has special speed. 197 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: Special I mean he makes NFL players chasing him a 198 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: lot of times look slow. I mean he runs past 199 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 2: guys like the way people pass me on six ninety five, 200 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: Like you. 201 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: Just names are e cliff here, Well. 202 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do wait for you to leave before I leave, 203 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: so we'll have to get involved with that. But yeah, 204 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: I mean he's special, just pure pure speed. He's a 205 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: special player. You can see like taking angles and they're like, 206 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 2: well this guy I can't even touch him, Like yeah, 207 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm I'm encouraged that at some point he 208 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 2: will be back in the lineup. And yet with it, 209 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 2: I don't want Derek Henry quote unquote worn out before 210 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 2: the playoffs and late in the season. So he's another 211 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 2: guy along with the rest of the running back crew 212 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 2: that you know, you can kind of take some of 213 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: the load off of Derek until you're just trying to 214 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: hit people in the mouth all the time. 215 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 3: Right. 216 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: Well, staying on that subject, Derrick Henry, this is the 217 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: first impressions of him, and you know, Todd Mounkin said, 218 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 1: speaking of workload, doesn't seem like he's worried about the 219 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: workload for Derek Henry. He said, if he has three 220 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: hundred carries this year, that means we're a pretty darn 221 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: good team. You know that that basically you got leads 222 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: on people and he's running. He's the closer down the stretch. 223 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: That's the role that they want Derrick Henry in. I 224 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: don't think that he's going to carry the ball. You know, 225 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: his carries have dropped the past couple of seasons in Tennessee, 226 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: and I expect that the Ravens are not gonna make 227 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: it go dramatically in the other direction. Right he was 228 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: the clear number one back, but I don't think that 229 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: they want him toting the rock that much anyone. When 230 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: you have Lamar running the ball as he does. You know, 231 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: Justice Hill still get some of his touches. Keithon Mitchell 232 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 1: once he's back. You know, Rasheen Ellie will have some 233 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: kind of role his rookie season, especially early on, But 234 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: they're not They're not gonna be scared to give Derrick 235 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: Henry the ball, that's for sure. When he's talking about 236 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: three hundred carries, you know, that's kind of the dream scenario. 237 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and we all know he's a hammer 238 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: that the more you give it to him. 239 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 3: This sometimes people say it they're stronger. 240 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 2: He seems to get, but to me, it's like the 241 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 2: defense gets even weaker trying to like just be impounded 242 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 2: by this guy. By the fourth quarter, they really don't 243 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: want any part of them, and that's what you want. 244 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 2: That's part of what makes him special. And you're talking 245 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: about someone who has physical gifts. I mean, Derrick Henmy's 246 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: impressive just walking through the front door. 247 00:11:58,760 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 3: Yep. 248 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: When you see him out there in the uniform, it's 249 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 1: just like, oh, this is different guy. I mean, the 250 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: Ravens haven't had I mean a nobody else has had 251 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: a guy like her. He's pretty, he's one to one. 252 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in the position. 253 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm done thinking about running backs of all time. 254 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 2: Maybe he's one of the most physical running backs of 255 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 2: all time. You know, maybe you go way back Jim Brown, 256 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 2: Earl Campbell. 257 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Eddie George was a b He was. 258 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 2: But if I had to choose who I had to tackle, 259 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: close my eyes and pray. 260 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 3: I would try and tackle the George. 261 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 2: For Dereck henry Man, I'd be like, hey, uh, what's 262 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: my life in Shorance? Possy look like Ravens. 263 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: One of what benefits do I got here? It's gonna 264 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: be have a meeting in the h R department before 265 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: I decided to my laps tackle. Yeah, that's what I 266 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: was actually talking to the reporters about on the field, Like, 267 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: I'm surprised that Derreck Henry doesn't like hurdle more people 268 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: because I have to imagine, when you're a defender, you 269 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: go low. That's the st especially if you're a defensive back. 270 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 1: I'm surprised that he's not like a big hurdler to 271 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 1: my knowledge. I mean, I'm not sitting here watching the 272 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: Titans play every week. I think he just he just 273 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: crowns people. He just you know, if you're coming in low, 274 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: he just takes the top of your helmet and just 275 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: turfs you, just spikes you, basically, I mean, the stiff 276 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: arm is nasty. Is Zay Flowers was funny saying basically 277 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: he heard him running up from behind him and it's 278 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: just like yelped and jumped out of the way, you know, 279 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,719 Speaker 1: I mean, this guy you can't tell a lot from 280 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: Otis because obviously the physicality is much different. Right, So 281 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: you're not you're not hitting hitting. That's when when Derrick 282 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: Henry's hitting, when he's doing the hitting, that's when you'll 283 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: get a truer sense of what he's going to bring 284 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: to this offense. Offense, right, another another offensive player that 285 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: I thought was interesting that Todd Monkin talked about was 286 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: his faith in Rashat Bateman and really that you know, 287 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: the question being are you going to get Rashot Baitman 288 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: with the ball? We find more ways to get him 289 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: the ball than last year and top Bunk and oh, 290 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: of course, you know and talked about and it's a 291 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: fair point. I mean, Rashad Bateman a was coming off 292 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: of the foot, then he had more you know, so 293 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 1: he didn't have off season practices that sidelined him for 294 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: part a chunk of training camp. Then he still was 295 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: going through other injuries early in the season, so they 296 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: didn't really have him that practice. Those practice s reps 297 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: are invaluable, and they really weren't sure how much they 298 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: could count on him and his availability early in the season. 299 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: So really Odell Beckham got thrust into that X role. 300 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: Now they feel like they can count on Rashad Bateman 301 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: and they are and so he's in that role. And 302 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: Toddmunkin said that he saw him make big strides from 303 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: over the course of last season and now into this 304 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: offseason as well. 305 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 2: Right, I mean, obviously this is a huge year for 306 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 2: Bateman and he has a tremendous opportunity to be more 307 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: involved in Baltimore's offense than ever before. And even though 308 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 2: that Monkin brought up a good point to me that 309 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 2: Batman stayed healthy last year, but there were times even 310 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 2: going into last season where he had to take some 311 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 2: time off and it wasn't like first day of training camp. 312 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 2: They could just give him a whole bunch of reps 313 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 2: to get them ready for last season. This year, Keeping 314 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 2: my fingers crossed, they'll be able to do that, you know, 315 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna play much in the preseason, 316 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 2: but as far as practices and getting reps and building 317 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: on the comfort level with Lamar, I think he's in 318 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: a better place to do that Bateman than he's ever been. Obviously, 319 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 2: with Odell Beckham no longer being here, he kind of 320 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: naturally on paper, assumes a bigger role. And yeah, I 321 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: just feel like he wants to show people that There's 322 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 2: been a lot of talk about him not living up 323 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 2: to expectations, and he's going to show people he's determined, 324 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 2: I think, to show people what they have gotten, you know, 325 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: with him being a first round draft pick that yes 326 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: he was worthy of it, he was worthy of being that. 327 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: Well, there's still some handering going on outside this building 328 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: about the state of the Ravens wide receivers. He Salid 329 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: shot Beatman and Zay Flowers. There's your one and two. 330 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: You're obvious one and two's and you know they look 331 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: I mean, they're explosive dudes. These are explosive, talented guys. 332 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: If they both play up to their potential this season, 333 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: I have no worries about the Ravens wide receiver corps, right, 334 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: And I agree, like the talent is there. Talent, The 335 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: talent is one hundred percent there, right. 336 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 2: And also when you look at the offense as a whole, 337 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 2: you've also you know, obviously got Mark Andrews and another 338 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 2: guy we haven't talked about, Isaiah Likely. I definitely want 339 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: to see him have a bigger role this year. I 340 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: have no doubt that he can handle it. Like those 341 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 2: games he was, you know, racking up numbers that the 342 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 2: Mark Andrews got hurt. They were big games and he 343 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 2: didn't have, you know, the luxury of having Mark out 344 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 2: that he just took off. You know, he can do it, 345 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 2: and so you know, I think you do. 346 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: You don't need quite as much from your wide receivers. 347 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: You have Mark Andrews and Isaiah likely. 348 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: At the end, and Lamar loves doing to both of 349 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 2: them yep, and he loves doing today yep. So if 350 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 2: you've got those three guys on the field more together, 351 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 2: then yeah, like you said, from there, the rest is 352 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: almost gravy. 353 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 3: Yep. 354 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna take a break. When we come back, 355 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: we're gonna flip it over the defensive side of the ball, 356 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: give you some of our takeaways from OTA's on that 357 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 1: side of the ball, and special teams don't new kickoff rules. 358 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: We had special teams stuff to talk about, Cliff as 359 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: well as our three players who stood out most from OTA's. 360 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: We'll see if we have any overlap. Okay, thank you 361 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: for listening to Lounge. We're coming to you from the 362 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: Seat Geeks Studio. 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You must be twenty 371 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: one or older to play, so flip and nerve to 372 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball, Cliff, what kind of stood 373 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: out from you on that side so far during OTAs well? 374 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, you know Zach Orr, I 375 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 2: think that's a big storyline taking over his defensive coordinator. 376 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 2: What how would the Ravens change defensively just because he's 377 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 2: the new defensive coordinator. And then obviously with some of 378 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 2: the personnel that's been changed the defense. The Ravens defense 379 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 2: was dynamic last year. I mean what lean Leon sack scoring? 380 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 3: You know? I mean, yeah, they were a game changing defense. 381 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 2: So to answer your question, what I see, I see 382 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: again the potential to be a special defense. And I 383 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 2: think they're gonna have to do things a little bit 384 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 2: differently than they did last year. 385 00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 3: But that's okay. 386 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 2: And one guy to me, Trenton Simpson, you know, the 387 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 2: razume starter next to Rokwan Smith. To me, he looks good. 388 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 2: He's he's going to get a lot of reps practice reps. 389 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 2: I think playing next to a guy like Rokwan definitely 390 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 2: helps him. So I'm not Patrick Queen was a heck 391 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 2: of a player. But I feel like the Ravens still 392 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 2: are going to be fast, versatile, and yeah, the the 393 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 2: key thing I think, you know, how will the pass 394 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 2: rush be different and will they be able to get 395 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 2: the concert almost constant pressure they got last year. I mean, 396 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 2: Matta Biga is unbelievable. But you know, you talk about 397 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 2: double team and the player. I mean sometimes when he's 398 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 2: triple team. I mean, everybody knows you can't block Justin 399 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 2: matter Vka with one player, so who else you know, 400 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 2: van Ney obviously resigned him, but who else is going 401 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 2: to help Matta big a lead to pass rushing? You know, 402 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 2: posse you know obviously, oh well is a possibility. David 403 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 2: Ojavo got it. You know, we're all hoping he can 404 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 2: stay healthy. It is interesting because to be to win 405 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 2: a Super Bowl, they're gonna have to be a good 406 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 2: defensive team, and it is going to be a different 407 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 2: defense than last year. 408 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of things off that. A. I thought 409 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: it was a good sign that Justin Metabek is out here. First, 410 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: OTAs you sign a mega contract extensionly he did. It's 411 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: not uncommon for those guys to say, I just I 412 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: just think my deal like i'll see you in whatever July. 413 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 3: Mandatory. 414 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll see it. Mandatory exactly out here day one 415 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: working and I mean justin Ottabik said after inking that deal, like, yeah, 416 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna work that much harder. This doesn't change anything 417 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: for me. But always a guy that's had a work 418 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: ethic and he's putting his money where his mouth. 419 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 3: Yes. 420 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: And then two, obviously the change of the defensive coordinator 421 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: was zach Orr. You know, I don't think that he 422 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: even said. The terminology isn't even going to change all 423 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: that much. It's not like things are gonna change drastically 424 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 1: from the Ravens defense they've run here from previous weeks. 425 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: One my takeaway just from watching OTAs is it looks organized. 426 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: It does not look like a fresh defense that's struggling 427 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: to get the calls in that they're they're disorganized, don't 428 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: know what they're doing like they're coming out here and 429 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,719 Speaker 1: you wouldn't know that it's a first time play caller 430 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: in zach Orr. Guy, he's not call plays at any level. 431 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,479 Speaker 1: It looks like they're pretty they got things tightened up, 432 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: you know, and you have different players in there, like 433 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: zach Orr himself looks under calm and control under on 434 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: that sideline, which I was interested to see. You know, 435 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: it was a huge change and demeanor on the sidelines 436 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: from Greg Rooman to Todd Mounkin and just the how 437 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: out going in loud and all that, and I was 438 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: interested to see if it would be a similar kind 439 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: of change going from Mike McDonald, who was a pretty 440 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: darn quiet guy you didn't really hear the battle, cerebral guy, 441 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 1: to Zach Orr, who is more of an emotional, fiery 442 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 1: kind of guy. Not really you know, zach Orr, Like 443 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: you kind of had to be like, Where's where's zach 444 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: on the sideline? I mean, he still kind of looks 445 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: like a player, so it's you know, where is he? 446 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: And you know he's pretty quiet, and he said, yeah, 447 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: you know, I always have to be thinking, thinking two 448 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: steps ahead. I'd have the next play call. I can't 449 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: be sitting here celebrating, screaming, yelling on the sideline. I 450 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: got to be thinking ahead. And I mean, this is 451 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: a smart dude and a dedicated guy, and I've just 452 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: been impressed by the operation of the defense. Uh with 453 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: him being a first time coordinator, first time play caller. 454 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think it's a huge advantage for 455 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 2: Zach that he is his first times defensive coordinator, is 456 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 2: with a team that he's been with a long time, 457 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 2: a system he's totally familiar with, many players who already 458 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 2: know him. Yep, it's not I think it's more would 459 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 2: have been more of a challenge. I'm saying it's not 460 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 2: a challenge, but we've been more of a challenge if 461 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 2: Zack had left the Ravens to become defensive coordinator of 462 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 2: filling the blank. Now you're dealing with new players, possibly 463 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 2: the head coach wants you to run a new system. 464 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, this way, I. 465 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 2: Mean, he and John Harball been together forever, but going 466 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: back to when Zach was a player, they're all the 467 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 2: coaching staff is all in position to really help Zach 468 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: as a first time coordinator. And then the players, you know, 469 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 2: like ro Kwan Smith, he has a great relationship with him. 470 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 3: Come they know Zach. 471 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 2: So even though Mike the a heck of a job, 472 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 2: it's not like they're dealing with the unknown quantity. 473 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 3: They believe in Zach they like Zach, and Zach believes 474 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 3: in himself. 475 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 2: So yes, it's a big change, but he's home, he 476 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 2: feels That's why he feels comfortable. He's coming to the 477 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 2: same place, working with the same people, coaching the same system. 478 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: Again. 479 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 3: That makes it easy, but makes it a lot easier 480 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 3: in my mind. 481 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. Another takeaway for me on the defensive side 482 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: of the ball is Kyle Hamilton, you know it talked 483 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 1: about taking on a bigger leadership role. Zach Rtz said, 484 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: Kyle wants to do more. I don't know how the 485 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: hecky he's gonna do more than last year. I mean, 486 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: the guy was playing seven different positions on the defense 487 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: at times in some games. Zach Gore even said, you know, 488 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: I think I think the bar for him is a 489 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: defensive MVP, Like that's how talented. He was a first 490 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: team All Pro last year in his second year. But 491 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: Zach Gorston a defensive MVP territory, And just to lay 492 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: it out for listeners out there, the last defensive MVP 493 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: who was a safety was Troy Polamalu in twenty ten. Yeah, 494 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 1: it's only happened five times ever that there's been a 495 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: defensive MVP who is a safety. Ed Reed is one 496 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: of those five did it in two thousand and four? 497 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: Yeah right, I mean, look, but I don't think that's crazy. 498 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: I think that that's within the realm of possibility for 499 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton. 500 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 2: Obviously we're in year three of Kyle Hamilton's career. But 501 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 2: if you said to somebody right now, do you think 502 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 2: Hamilton is going to end up with a gold jacket. 503 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 2: They're not gonna look at you like you're crazy, right, 504 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 2: They're going to like say yes or no, but they're 505 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 2: gonna think about it. He's that good. He to me, 506 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 2: he's like a unicorn to have that size. 507 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 3: His smarts too, his instincts. 508 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: Because it means tough. Yeah, he's tough. 509 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 3: I'm like, I look at the guy. I'm like, what doesn't. 510 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: He do worker out here practicing practice and every day 511 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: here at Ota so far, right. 512 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 2: What doesn't he do well on a football field? And yeah, 513 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 2: you know, I'm you know, we've all written stories about Kyle. 514 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 2: I remember last year talking to his father about you know, 515 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 2: he didn't run out, you know before with his teammates 516 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 2: in high school before the game run through the banner 517 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 2: and a parent asked, mister Hamilton why Kyle didn't do that, 518 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 2: and he didn't know, so he asked Kyle, like, why 519 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 2: don't you run out with your teammates and watched the 520 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 2: banner and he said, before the game is where I'd 521 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 2: go dark. 522 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 3: That's when I go dark. 523 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 2: And like his intensity, along with his physical gifts and 524 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 2: his smart' it's like he's a whole package. So he 525 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 2: can I think he can do more. Exactly how he's 526 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 2: going to show up, I don't know, but I don't 527 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 2: think he's reached his peak. If he doesn't know, he 528 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 2: has not, and he's All Pro in his second year. 529 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. Speaking of safety, zach Or talked 530 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: about the importance of the Ravens' third safety, the number 531 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: three safety, and you know, the Ravens had Jamal Adams 532 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: in for a visit this week, another former All Pro 533 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl player early in his career with the New 534 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: York Jets, and so that tells you, it gives you 535 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: some indication of how much the Ravens are looking to 536 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: supplement that spot. Zak Org talked about his you know, 537 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: his comfort level, and he feels good about the in 538 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: house options, one of which being ourn AREUS Washington. You know, 539 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: there's the rookie Snoosy Kine know Bo Braid from Maryland, 540 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: undrafted rookies. But these are those are three players that 541 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,719 Speaker 1: have not played a whole lot of football, two of 542 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: none at the NFL level, and Ardarius Wahinson's dealt with injuries, 543 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: a player I think the Ravens have always liked, but 544 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: he's been banged up and that's zach Orr reiterated that 545 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 1: that is a very important position with with moving Kyle around, 546 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: you don't want to change that He's he's a Swiss 547 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: Army knife and you do not want to take that 548 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 1: part of his game away exact So that makes that 549 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: number three safety spot really important. I expect that the 550 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: Ravens are going to make a move there. I think 551 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: I think his signing is inevitable. Safety signing is inevitable. 552 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: If I'm putting one position that I think is most likely, 553 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: I'm putting it above guard. 554 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 3: Interesting. 555 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 2: I mean, I think that it's I wouldn't say inevitable 556 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 2: as far as safety, but yeah, I would say hi. 557 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 2: And I totally agree with your point about you know, 558 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 2: you want Kyle to be free to do all the 559 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 2: things he wants to do. And Geno Stone we all 560 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 2: know was a huge part of the defense success last shit. 561 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 2: Ye So yeah, Marcus Williams heck of a safety, great 562 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 2: center fielder, but you don't want to take Kyle's versatility 563 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 2: away from this defense. So when they want to do 564 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 2: quote unquote exotic things with their secondary, if they have 565 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 2: a number three safety that they trust and it's playing well, 566 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 2: it makes a defense better. So yeah, I mean Eric 567 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 2: de Coson leaves no stone unturned. And it's funny like 568 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 2: when players come in for visits to me, sometimes unless 569 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 2: they sign right away, it is hard to get engaged. Okay, 570 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 2: are they going to end up signing this guy high 571 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 2: or not? And Jamal Adams is one of those guys 572 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 2: like I could see it happening, but I'd be like, 573 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 2: you know, kind of on the fence about whether it 574 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 2: will happen or not. I mean, obviously you why wouldn't 575 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 2: you check out a player who's approven, you know, Proba 576 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 2: buy who has been injured. His play hasn't been what 577 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 2: it was early in his career, but he has also 578 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 2: been injured, so maybe a year or two remove from 579 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 2: some of the series asked, even if he doesn't get 580 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 2: back to who he used to be. If he gets 581 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 2: back to eighty percent of at that's a heck of 582 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 2: a number three safety, right right. 583 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,719 Speaker 3: The question is where is he? 584 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 2: And you know, unless you see him on the field 585 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 2: to work him out, we don't know. 586 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 3: So it's be interesting to watch what they'd sign him 587 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 3: or not. 588 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Another player that you mentioned briefly, Trenton Simpson 589 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: stepping into a competition at least and probably the most 590 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: likely player to start inside next to Rokwan Smith is 591 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: Trenton Simpson. I think zach Or talks about how hard 592 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: a worker he's been, how great he was as a rookie, 593 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: preparing like he was a starter even when he wasn't 594 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: getting much play time, and said he's working even harder 595 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: this year than he was last year, and he worked 596 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: pretty darn hard then. So a player that you know 597 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: a lot of OTAs is kind of for reporters, it's 598 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: the eye test. You're looking at everybody kind of all right, 599 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: how's he looking. Did he add more weight, did he 600 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: drop weight? Is he more muscular? 601 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 3: Like? 602 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: It's kind of the beauty path time of year, you know, 603 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: where you're just like eyeing up how players physically have 604 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: changed over the offseason, and to me, Trenton Simpson is 605 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: one of those players that stood out to me a 606 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: little bit in terms of he He was always pretty cut, 607 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: but I think he's added more muscle. It looks like 608 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: to me to be able to take on a starter's workload. 609 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: You get, you know, you're playing seventeen games. You better 610 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: be able to take that physicality, so you put on 611 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: some of that cushion. 612 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And I mean he's young enough obviously to 613 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 2: do it, and an athletical he's got the frame to 614 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 2: add more muscle, he without losing quickness. And yeah, I 615 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 2: mean Patrick Queen when he was here he developed into 616 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,239 Speaker 2: a every down linebacker. He wasn't every down linebacker as 617 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 2: a rookie. 618 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 3: Yep. 619 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 2: He continued to improve and got so good that the 620 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 2: Ravens didn't want him off the field regardless of what 621 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 2: kind of defensive packers they were in. That's what Trenton 622 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 2: Simpson wants to aspire to. I don't know if it's 623 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 2: going to happen this coming season, but certainly when he 624 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 2: looks at you know he's playing with real quant smith. 625 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 2: He played with Patrick Queen, two linebackers who like, yeah, 626 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 2: they don't. 627 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 3: Need a field. 628 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, you've seen it. 629 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 2: He knows what it takes in this system and that's 630 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 2: what he's trying to get to. 631 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 3: Yep. 632 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: Last thing I'll mention here is special teams. So it's 633 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: a point of conversation. I think Chris Horton had the 634 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: longest press conference he's ever held as or even special 635 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: teams coordinator. You know the different kickoff rules which create 636 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: much less running essentially, you know, the offense and the 637 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: defense or the kick covers seam versus the kick return 638 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: team are starting much closer to each other. It's not 639 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: as much of a full dead sprint as it used 640 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: to be in an effort to induce more kickoff returns. 641 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: And so the Ravens are kind of in experimental mode 642 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: and Chris Horton is in that mode of figuring out 643 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: the angles and how they're gonna play this thing. But 644 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: for a team like the Ravens that pride themselves so 645 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: much on special teams and creating an advantage on special teams, 646 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: they love this rule change because it's it makes coaching 647 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: more fun for Chris Horton and they feel like, yeah, 648 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna gain an advantage in this aspect. 649 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 2: Right, and I think that that's what's going to happen, 650 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 2: and it's really a major change for every team in 651 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 2: the NFL. It's gonna be one of the talking points, 652 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: particularly early in the season when people are seeing it 653 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 2: kind of for the first time, you know, in the 654 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 2: regular season game, you know, in the NFL. And yeah, 655 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 2: I mean one guy who we haven't seen yet, Deontay 656 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 2: Hardy who's joined the Ravens. He could be a factor 657 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 2: as far as a returner. He's prove he's a proven 658 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 2: returner in the league. I think we're gonna see more 659 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 2: big plays on returns. We're obviously gonna see more returns, 660 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 2: and that's gonna lead to more big plays. And the Ravens, 661 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 2: as all teams do, they want to be a team 662 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 2: that can take advantage of this new kickoff rule and 663 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 2: pop some long kickoffs, even if it's not taking it 664 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 2: to the hounse. You set the offense up in super 665 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 2: field position, run Lamar out there, you know, forty yard 666 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 2: line midfield. Todd Munk is going like that, Lamar is 667 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 2: going like that. 668 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 3: It has a ripple effect on the all offense. 669 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, you know, Coach Harbard, I think 670 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 2: you know one of the best special teams coaches of 671 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 2: all time, along with you know, Chris and everybody else 672 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 2: on the staff. 673 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 3: They'll figure out how. 674 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 2: To take advantage of this new rule. Yep, I'm totally 675 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 2: confident of that. 676 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: All right, Cliff full wrap it up here? Three players 677 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: quickly who stood out the most to you during the 678 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: OTAs the first week of OTAs. 679 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 2: I would say Kyle Hamilton. Just you mentioned the fact 680 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 2: that he's here and what he can do. He looks 681 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 2: like he's just so to have another huge year, so 682 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 2: I would go with him. I would also go with 683 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 2: I like Trenton Simpson. I thought that, like you know, 684 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 2: his speed, his decisiveness. As you talked about players not 685 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 2: looking laws confused. 686 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 3: I would agree, he looked like he's right there. 687 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 2: And the third one is under the rate, you know, 688 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 2: not a guy who may not even get on a field. 689 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 3: Or make the team. 690 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 2: Devin Leary the back of the quarterback. He was throwing 691 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 2: dimes in Thursday's practice. We knew about his arm strength, 692 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 2: but he was really accurate, not afraid. 693 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,959 Speaker 3: To throw in the tight windows. Maybe two a little bit. 694 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 2: Too unafraid, got picked off twice, right, But I'd rather 695 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 2: see that at this stage, yep, than him being timid, 696 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 2: so those are not to be yees. 697 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 1: I have Devin Leary on my list too. That's the 698 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: one crossover. I thought the ball placement too. You know, 699 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: there are questions about his accuracy coming out of college, 700 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,280 Speaker 1: particularly last year at Kentucky. You know, the ball placement 701 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 1: play and play out I thought was pretty darn good. 702 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 1: Now he you know, the picks he threw one rate 703 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: in the Jalen Armor Davis's chest and the Roquan Smith 704 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: also might have been able to And that is also 705 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: a point of you know, he's that's something he's got 706 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: to correct. Because John as John Harball said, he and 707 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: Devin had a conversation and said, what do you need 708 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 1: to improve on? He said, I got to stop throwing 709 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: to the other team. He's that is correct, So that 710 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 1: still got to get improved. But I thought he had 711 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: a good practice Thursday. Oh in all you you take 712 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,280 Speaker 1: it away. When Lamar Jackson did not practice on Thursday, 713 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: Devin Leary got more opportunities and I thought he looked 714 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 1: pretty darn good. So yeah, I'm intrigued, and I'm intrigued 715 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,800 Speaker 1: to watch him over the course of the summer and 716 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: then into preseason games. It's gonna be interesting. Two other 717 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: players that I'm gonna name one I just mentioned Jalen 718 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: Armor Davis came up with the pick and I thought 719 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: had a very strong practice on Thursday. Just baseline. You know, 720 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: this guy's got to stay healthy. Hey, he's on the 721 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: he's on the field, back to back practices, you know, 722 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: getting a lot of reps. Marlin Humphrey wasn't out there. 723 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: We didn't see Brandon Stevens on Thursday. I thought that 724 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 1: Jalen Armor Davis is a big summer for him in 725 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,800 Speaker 1: his third year after the injuries he's had over the 726 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 1: first two years, and he's moving really well out there. 727 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: Talented guy, looks healthy. You gotta stay healthy. I'm knocking 728 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 1: on the wooden chair here. I thought, two good days 729 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: for Jaalen armor Davis. And then another defensive player, linebacker 730 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: Malik Harrison. You talk about Trenton Simpson, but Malik Harrison 731 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: made the play of the day on Wednesday with the 732 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: leaping interception. He made a few more plays on Thursday. 733 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 3: That's a good call. 734 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 2: I think I heard you say he was the you know, 735 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 2: practice player of the week. 736 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah it might have been. He probably was right, 737 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,280 Speaker 1: and you know, he's kind of one of those guys 738 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 1: who you re sign and it flies under the radar 739 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: and it's you know, okay, they brought him back. Malik Harrison. 740 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: I mean he's versatile linebacker at plays outside, can set 741 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: that edge play inside if you need be. For him 742 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 1: to be making plays and coverage. He had another playing 743 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: coverage on in Thursday's practice after making a pick on Wednesday, 744 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,919 Speaker 1: I thought, two good days for him. Don't sleep on him. 745 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: You know, with Patrick Queen leaving, Trent Simms is gonna 746 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: have a bigger role. But does that also mean more 747 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: on Leek Harrison's plate. Hey, he's showing that he could 748 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:21,800 Speaker 1: be deserving of that. So good successful first week of OTAs. 749 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. We'll have it here next week 750 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: for our OTA takeaways and much more. We're going to 751 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: try to get an interview. Make sure you check out 752 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,879 Speaker 1: the Ravens Press Past podcast, also where all of our 753 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 1: press conferences go. Today we heard from the coordinators Todd Monkin, 754 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 1: Zach Orr, and Chris Hortens to go check out their 755 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,240 Speaker 1: price press conferences. As always, you can reach us at 756 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: the Lounge at Ravens NFL dot net. Thank you for 757 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:51,320 Speaker 1: listening and enjoyer enjoy your weekend. Holiday weekend safe, stay safe, 758 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: enjoy it, and we'll be back with you next week.