WEBVTT - The Craft with Suzee Dunn 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.440 On the Beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:07.119 have women in them? Are all their discussions just boyfriends 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:11.520 and husbands? Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef and 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:16.040 best start changing it with the Beck del Cast. Hi, 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:18.360 welcome to the Beck Deel Cast. My name is Jamie 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:22.000 and this is our podcast about how women are portrayed 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:24.720 in movies. Hey, is it good? Usually no, almost never, 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:28.080 almost never, But sometimes a movie surprises us and it's like, 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:31.680 oh it wasn't it was like only terrible, but like 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:35.800 ten okay in its portrayal of women. And then sometimes 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:39.559 you're like, I'm tired, I'm tired, I'm tired of this, 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:43.280 I'm tired of this happening. I'm tired of this world. 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:46.199 Why do we have to have this discussion? But we 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.960 have to because someone has to, And and then you 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:54.480 just spiral are heroes. You're right, Jesus fucking christ Man. 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:59.360 What an exhausting time to be alive. Indeed, well, but 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.120 we're here, I don't know, maybe bring some levity to 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:06.160 anyone's life by yeah, sorry, yeah, but we're not supposed 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:09.400 to be the bummer podcast. Yeah, we're a fun We're 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:12.760 a fun lift up we're fun. We're fun. We're fun, 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:14.560 but sometimes we get piste off and you can just 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:17.399 had to be okay with it. It's an upsetting world. 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.680 We're allowed to have our feelings. Yeah, I've been drinking 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:23.440 a Mike's heart in days. What's going on? Ship, I 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:28.920 know that's what's going on. iBOT Crystally. We bought crystals, Yeah, 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:32.840 we did. I bought like eight crystals. Bot. I didn't 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:34.440 say anything while we're in the store because I was 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:36.640 just like, no, she's into it, She's going for well. 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:40.480 I figured crystal. I have a lot of things that 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:43.600 need addressed in my life, and I bought a crystal 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:47.440 for every issue. I bought crystals yesterday and I was 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:50.040 vibrating at a very high level. I walked for a 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:52.320 total of three hours. I had a panic attack. But 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:54.760 I'm like, I'm just I can't handle the energy of 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:57.080 the crystals yet, or maybe I should go back on 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:59.920 my bipolar medication. Hard to say. I bought the crystal, 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:04.640 feel good about it. Bought Picasso Jasper. I'm about to 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:08.720 start writing the Great American novel literally any second, literally 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.040 an It's on the tip of my tongue. I can't 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:15.560 wait to read we're so close. But yes, we bought crystals. 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:17.720 Totally fine, we can deal with it. Shout out to 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:21.080 all you crystal heads out here. We are become you. Yes, 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:29.359 we are among you, and speaking of like crystally we're 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.280 talking about. But before we even do that, let's introduce 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:35.840 our guests. She is the creator of Act Like a Girl, 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:38.280 which is a podcast. It's a live show. It's a 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:43.160 whole movement. It's a movement. As soon as you're done, Hello, 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:46.360 sorry I introduced you right as you were swallowing a 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.200 gulp of water. Also, I have to say I just 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:53.680 got given a bowl, like a pipe that's completely a crystal. 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:59.920 Whoa smoking and it gives you mental clarity or something. Yeah, 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:05.240 that's like two for one my brain chakras. Yeah, so 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.680 we're here to talk about the craft. Yes, wait, the 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:14.200 craft of screenwriting, the craft spiking of I do have 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.280 a master's degree in it. I to bring up it. 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:19.799 I wanted to open it brought up because you want 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:24.680 to know what's exciting. There are still only three degrees between. 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:29.919 Oh well, now we're even. Now we're even, I'll give 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:35.000 you one. You know the podcast. Yeah, I've never used it. Okay, 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:38.520 keep it. Keep it, Dad will finally be proud of me. 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:43.400 It'll be great. So one wants to make a dad proud. Honestly, 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:48.160 that's so twentieth century right over it. When did you 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:51.280 first see this movie? What's your history with this movie? Oh? Man, 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:53.680 I mean I feel like I saw this in my teen, 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:56.960 like teenage years. I was probably like thirteen or fourteen. 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:58.920 I think that's like the right age to see it 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:01.800 for the first time. I wish i'd seen it then. Yeah, 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.920 I was obsessed with it immediately. I mean, it's it's 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:08.120 not it is a teen movie structurally, but it's also 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:12.040 like not a teen movie. It's pretty scary. Yeah, there's 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:18.360 some scary imagery. There's some pretty heavy topics sexual yeah, racism. Yeah. 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.040 I don't think I saw it until I was later 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:23.279 teens or maybe even early twenties. I think I saw 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:26.200 it for the first time in college and then Jamie 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.320 three am last night. Yes, you've never seen it before. 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.320 I've never seen it, which is weird. It's like a 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:32.800 movie that I know if I had seen it at 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:34.560 the right time, I would have been because I was 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.640 really into Witchy Ship when I was a teenager and 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:40.120 still kind of now. And and I mean, we just 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:44.760 bought crystal. We just bought crystals. Wait, what do you think? Well, 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:47.520 I have a lot of thoughts. I loved the first 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:49.760 half of the movie. The second half of the movie. 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.560 I didn't like the second half. I didn't like the 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.800 weird turn that it took in the second night. But well, 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:58.880 we'll get there. But in general, I liked what they 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:03.560 were going. I'll do the recap of the craft, the 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:07.760 recraft that doesn't make any sense. I loved it, thank 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:16.440 you so much. So. It centers on these four girls, Sarah, Nancy, Bonnie, 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.640 and Rochelle. Sarah's new to town. She just moved to 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.839 l A from San Francisco, and she's like already kind 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:28.120 of practicing witchcraft and magic. And these Sarah hot, all 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.080 of them. All of them are big. It's it's a 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:33.880 it's a very it's a hot move ho. It's a 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:36.000 lot of hot, but not really any hot men to 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:40.520 speak of. Um, I'm gonna go with Skeet, not his character. 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:46.400 Who's Skeete that's his real name? Oh wait, the like 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:50.120 a job, Yeah, the the guy that his name is 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:58.840 the short term for masturbation, like skee like like Skeet skeet, 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:06.320 motherfucker skee goddamn skeet skeep motherfucker ear. Yeah, yeah, he's 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.280 on Riverdale. This is all wild. I didn't know he's 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.640 a guy from Riverdale. Well, I guess he's hot. I 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:16.520 find he's hotter now really, I think he's hotter. Now 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:18.400 I would agree he's hotter. And I didn't think he's 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:22.880 hot in the Craft Riverdale. I think his character is deplorable. 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.920 So maybe that's why. Well, I like that, Like this 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:30.040 movie totally harkens us to discuss the male characters that way, 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.919 like in a way that generally would discuss the female characters, right, Like, 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.120 it's just like very easy to be like, well he's hot, 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.000 he's not. Yeah, and then we don't know anything about 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:42.720 his character and he's not that he's horrifying, but we'll 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:46.120 get yeah, we'll get there. So Sarah's like, hey, you 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:48.320 guys seem witchy. I'm kind of witchy. Maybe we should 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:50.320 all be friends, and the other three girls are like, yeah, 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.960 we need a fourth because they have to have earth 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:57.800 and fire and everyone of fours, they need a north, 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:01.679 south east West. So they sort of bring her into 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:05.799 the group, and Sarah is the most talented of the witches, 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:09.080 so she's able to introduce him to different spells and like, hey, 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:12.200 wait a minute, there's this racist girl, let's make her 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:16.320 hair fall out. Wait a minute, there's this boy skeet well, well, 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.120 Sarah like she's the best witch, but she knows the 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:21.040 least and then they like kind of teach her how 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:24.640 to harness she's like the least educated. Yeah, and so 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:27.640 she just has raw talent, right, but then they sort 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:29.800 of mold her and their teacher had to cast the 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:33.240 spells and then they yeah, so they like there's different 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.280 people who they sort of want to cast spells on, 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:41.000 either to punish them for being racist. Taylor, all racist 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:44.960 people should just go bald, and I'm setting them off 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:50.480 the hook right right, because some of them might look nice. Well, 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:55.440 it was like spoiled. It was a weird I never 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.560 even made the connection that made they were turning her 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:02.400 into a skinhead because racist sometimes are already involved by choice, 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:05.520 because like, this is part of the I wonder if 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:07.560 the two white guys who wrote this movie thought that 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:09.440 hard about it. I doubt it. I doubt it, but 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.880 I said, but I like that. But then that's also 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:14.920 interesting because even though like, Okay, yeah, that's great that 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.120 they talk about racism and like show a racist character 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:21.640 getting her come up. And but then like they don't 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:25.040 even give Rochelle a lot of validity as a character, 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:26.880 Like we never see her home life. The only time 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:30.280 we see her, she's the only character. She's the only one. 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:32.520 Like we just see her front door. That's it. I mean, 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:34.839 there's I mean the back half of this movie just 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:39.160 and there's no other person of color. Yeah, she is 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:41.960 the only one. I think you even see unscreen any 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:44.320 which is like for a movie that takes place in 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:48.800 Los Angeles, is like craziest thing. But right, So, so 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:53.640 she punished these Yeah, and then Skeet is like he 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.400 spreads this rumor that like he and Sarah head sex 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.800 even though he didn't. But then Sarah's like, well, I 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:01.319 still want him to like me. So she cast a 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:04.000 spell and he sort of becomes obsessed with her. Yeah, 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:10.559 and then um, Nancy sort of like the head Dorothy 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:14.640 Gale in The Terrible Movie, returned to oz. Yes, I 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:18.160 still have not seen that her eye. Yes, oh my god. 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:25.440 But she wants to sort of invoke the spirit of man. Yeah, 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:29.199 they worship a male god, which is kind of upsetting 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:39.319 right movie, like like who's inside of you? Anyways? So 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:43.120 she like they cast this spell or whatever, do this 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:47.480 ritual to have him be inside of Nancy, and then 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:49.959 it turns her all evil and then they have this 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.360 big they sort of duke it out at the end. 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:56.440 Finally Sarah triumphs because she's the good witch of the 0:09:56.480 --> 0:10:01.000 North yea literally, And then is Nancy the witch of 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:05.720 the South? Am I saying she's not of the West? Um? 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:07.640 But I don't remember who's who? I didn't even I 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.199 can't either. But I also think that they assigned them 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:13.800 the wrong elements in my opinion, thinking that too, because 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:18.960 I think that Rachelle is definitely air and Bonnie is 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:22.600 definitely earth. And then this is like different than I 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:24.800 think most people would think. But I think Sarah is 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:29.600 fire and Nancy is water because Nancy is more chaos 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:32.560 and fire is like, I don't know, like more controlled 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:35.360 and it's all like one thing, whereas water like other 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:37.400 things can exist in it and there can be like 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.640 different kinds of chaos whereas fire is just like all 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:44.440 this anyway, I think about these things. I was just wondering, 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.720 It's like, am I am I a fire Am I 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.880 a water? Am I Samantha? Am I Charlotte? I don't know. 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:54.400 I think you're what's what's your? What signed are you? 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:57.440 Is it? What kind of sign is it? I'm a chorus? 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.720 Well that's earth an Okay, I'm a sign. I'm a 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:04.920 fair sign. I guess I'm an ares Leo nice Earth? 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.280 Well Earth is Sarah was Earth? Right? Think I think 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:11.320 that's what they signed her to. Yeah, um yeah she 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.960 was mother? Yeah yeah, right right right. And it's like, 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:16.320 I guess I can see that argument. I don't know, Yeah, 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.480 I think. Okay, So something I did find funny in 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.200 this Okay. So the big problem for me with this 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.520 movie is the first half of it is all about 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:32.319 these teenage goth adjacent misfits finding each other bonding. There's 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:34.480 a little bit of friction, there's a little bit of 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:38.079 click problems, but ultimately it's people in high school finding 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:45.280 people that they like and generally doing positive, like or 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:48.320 not horrible things. They make a racist go bald. I 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:52.040 think that's very cool. You know. Nev Campbell gets healed 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:56.600 of her scars and it's confident like in this universe. Now, 0:11:56.640 --> 0:12:00.000 her doctors being like written up about in medical journals 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:08.520 for hearing right and women lifting up women women even 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:11.319 though the women in stem in this case had nothing 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:13.880 to do with it, women in magic, because she's like 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:17.880 making major breakthroughs, right right, I mean, you know, it's 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.120 about them coming together. And then the second half of 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:23.160 the movie they kind of sell out all the momentum 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:25.760 made in the first half and just turn these characters 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:30.120 against each other in a really brutal way. And and 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.360 for me, the most frustrating part was, I mean, I 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:37.360 guess we're to understand, you know, Nancy gets her wish, 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:41.680 which is move inside of her and she basically becomes 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:43.920 a god who can read people's thoughts and fly and 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:47.319 appear and blah blah blah. But then they basically sell 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.680 out the characters of Bonnie and Rochelle, who we have 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:54.000 started to learn more about and they have been getting 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.800 to different degrees at least we've gotten looks into their 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:58.760 lives and we're sort of understanding where they're coming from 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:00.720 and why they want what they want, and then all 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:02.160 of a sudden, it's like, oh, but none of that 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.440 matters anymore. They're just gonna do what Nancy tells them 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.040 to do. And now they're I was shocked by that 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.559 choice that they didn't have them be on Sarah's side 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:13.360 or didn't even in ass the like that we don't 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.400 see that change take place. It just happened. Yeah, there's 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:19.320 no real build up or arc. Well are we to 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:24.920 believe that and his power is sort of corrupting all 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:27.240 of them? Or maybe just but then why are they 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:30.440 still bitches at the end? You know when they when 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:31.920 they go up to Sarah and they're like, hey, we 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:34.440 don't have powers anymore? Do you have? Like it was 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:36.640 just weird because they all came together as friends and 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:39.520 then it's sort of and I thought of that too, 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:43.079 of like, oh, maybe they're just being manipulated by Nancy 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:49.480 and mentally. But but even after that's no longer a thing, 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:51.960 it's like, oh, are we supposed to think that these 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:54.720 three were just not good people the whole time? Because 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:58.840 I I don't like that there is sort of that 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:01.280 implication because come to think of it, I don't think 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:09.079 Mom is a bad force. The how he's everything, Yeah, 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:14.400 he's every seld and as the witch store lady, I 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.559 can't remember what her character's name is. I'm pretty sure 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.360 which store lady, which short lady? She says, like there's 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:24.040 evil and good in nature in the world, so like 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:29.640 it's really the witch who chooses, so she will. And 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.560 also like they steal from her in the beginning, which 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:36.000 I know I've as a teenager, I stole stuff sometimes, 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:42.000 like more like from CVS than like from from a mom. Yeah, 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:44.760 from like a locally owned and to her credit, I mean, 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.960 she doesn't seem super bothered by it, like you know, 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:49.960 like that the woman who owns the New Age shop 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:52.560 is just like, oh, you're stealing again, and she's like, yeah, 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:54.280 I don't have any money. I was like, this is 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.800 a weird dynamic. Why would you let him keep coming in? 0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:01.000 But she's so chill, she's in with Manos. She's like whatever, Yeah, 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:03.960 it's his life. That's a good point though about this 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:07.160 movie starts out is like a depiction of female friendship 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:09.000 and you're like, oh, cool, I'm glad they all found 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:10.800 each other and even though some of them are you know, 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.560 like rough around the edges, they found each other and 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.160 that's nice. And then yeah, by the end, they've pretty 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:20.480 much all the three original which is all turned on Sarah, 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.240 and then they try to kill her, even like I 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:26.160 pretend like her dad and stepmom are dad. Yeah, oh 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:27.800 my god. That That was the thing that made me laugh, 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:29.800 is like they're like, oh man, it was a flight 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:31.800 from l A to San Francisco. I'm like, that's like 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:34.880 an eight minute flight. How can you get that wrong? 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:38.400 She should have known they were lying. At the end, 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.840 you see your dad and he's like, hey, it's me. 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:43.120 I was like, of course you took a two minute flight. 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:47.560 What You're fine. I love those parental relationships. I love 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:49.720 Sarah and her dad. They're so cute together. Like, I 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:53.120 love that she doesn't have daddy issues. Yeah, he's like 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:55.600 kind of the only male character that you don't end 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:59.640 up absolutely hating. Yeah, and he likely supports her. Like 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:01.880 when when that guy shows up when they first get 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:05.000 to the house, Yeah, the snake man, Like he like 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:08.560 what freaks out on him? Yeah, that was so fucking weird. 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:11.800 He like freaks out on him, you know, rather than like, 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:15.640 I don't know, victim blaming or something. Right. And I 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.920 also love Nancy and her mom's relationship, which I do 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.480 think also gets spoiled by the second half because it's 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:23.360 like they have so I mean, like, yeah, they're a mess, 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:26.800 but like they're each other's mess. I didn't. I don't know, 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:30.440 I didn't like Nancy. It's interesting because again it's like 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:32.880 the movie does a lot of work in the front 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:36.320 half to develop Nancy's character. Is like, yes, she is 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:41.240 jealous of Sarah, which is like not atypical for teenage girl, 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:43.960 and so I was like, okay, she's like, you know, 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.840 she's tough, but like she you know, she doesn't seem 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:50.000 like a bad person. And then they give us her backstory, 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:52.480 which is like she has a brutal home life, like 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:57.400 her mom and her stepdad I guess are are alcoholics 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.320 who are screaming at her from the second and her 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:01.960 mom is the first an yell at her um. And 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:03.920 so it's like, okay, she has a really really really 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:07.280 hard home life. And then sort of sells that out 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:09.480 when they're just like, okay, now she's an all powerful 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.080 being and she's a she's an evil bitch, and at 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:15.199 the end she's punished by being in in a mental 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.720 asylum and you know, in a kind of needlessly long 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:23.080 montage of her, you know, I was like, okay, we 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:26.160 get it cut, Yeah, just like what did it were? 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.200 They like, no, we need more, like but either way, 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:31.800 I was just like man like it. I don't I 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.719 don't get why this movie went the way it did, 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:37.800 because it just sacrificed all the really good character development 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:41.040 they were doing to just turn girls against each other 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:42.320 for the sake of it. I felt like, I don't 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:45.240 know if I mean, I have conflicting feelings about it, 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:48.880 the same way I do for like Heathers and Mean Girls, 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:52.240 where it's like a depiction of female friendship which is 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.679 like always to me kind of just defaults is like, 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:57.280 oh cool, I'm glad that there's a movie about this, right, 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:02.399 And then they're often shown as like, at least some 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.720 of them are like really awful to each other to 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:07.280 the point where they're killing each other or trying to 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:11.160 kill each other or just like bullying each other. So 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:15.080 there's that that I'm like, okay, well, yeah, like you said, 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:18.480 towards the second half and towards the end, the three 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:22.200 original Girls too, of the characters are basically they're just 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:26.800 like well, whenever, like they just totally blow them off. 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:30.560 I don't know, yeah, yeah, they're just like, well everything. 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:32.720 I hope you enjoyed the first half of them, because 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.440 now they're just going to be around. It's also so interesting, 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:40.120 like their hair all just gets so much better as 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.040 they are more power and I also love that. Oh 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:45.320 I can't even remember why she said this, but my 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:48.400 favorite line in the whole movie was when Rochelle is like, 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.320 and I told her your white honeys just deal with that. 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:53.000 Oh yeah, oh yeah. They're like, what did Nancy wish 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:54.240 for her? She's like, I don't know. She wished to 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:58.479 not be white trash anymore. It was like, and I 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:04.560 told her, you're what there? But I mean Nancy. I 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:07.320 guess I didn't really like the takeaway I got from 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:10.359 Nancy and her mom because even after we see the 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:14.240 stepfather have a witch induced heart attack and he dies 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:17.000 and then they get money, that's all like great, great, great, 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.240 love to see a villain his mail died in front 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:21.560 of me. That scene in the trailer too, when they're 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:26.280 talking with the guy, that's like, yeah, all the different 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:28.360 Like the art department must have had so much fun 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:31.160 creating that scene because there's like different wallpaper on each 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:34.360 wall of the trailer, and like scenes are just like 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:40.720 sitting and smoking stick so good. I love it, and 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:45.960 look like she's crying but then she's laughing. It's so good. Yeah. Um, 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:48.560 And so that was all great, But then I feel 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:50.119 like where you sort of leave off with Nancy and 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:52.360 her mom as they moved to this really nice apartment, 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:57.159 which you're just like a hundred but it was so 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:00.080 then they moved into this amazing apartment in l A. 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:05.720 But the jukebox that only plays Connie Bradley Bailey something right, 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:13.040 Conny Connie Walker, my favorite France frand and my favorite 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:21.560 that's a feminist. Um. But then with I'm pretty sure 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:24.160 the last time we see Nancy's mom, you can tell 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:26.640 you the door in her face, right, because her mom 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:30.320 is still kind of a disaster alcoholic who's not thinking 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:32.720 about her daughter. And so it's like, well, you know, 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:35.520 that's not what's gonna make Nancy happy. Even though that 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:38.080 improves her situation by not having a piece of ship 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:40.280 step step dad anymore and having a better living situation, 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:42.600 her mom's still an alcoholic and doesn't know how to 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:45.240 take care of her kids. And that is like kind 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:49.280 of devastating and and sad and hard to see. Um, 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:52.040 and also just made me feel worse when they turned 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:55.040 Nancy into a total evil demon because I was just 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:58.120 like she you like, I feel like if you're gonna 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:00.159 do that to a character, if you're going to if 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:01.480 you know at the beginning you're going to take this 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:06.080 character and turn them completely irredeemably evil, but then don't 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:09.560 give them a very sympathetic backstory that like possibly a 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:13.200 girl seeing that movie could relate, you know, because so 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:15.919 many I mean, you know, it's not uncommon to have 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:19.160 an alcoholic parent, and so it's just weird to see that. 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:21.800 There's also a little moment where like her stepdad, she's 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:23.840 like wearing a robe and he's like you could almost 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:25.399 see through it, and he like kind of yanks on 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:31.440 a robe and it's like weirdly sexual. And another thing 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:34.439 that I struggled with in this movie is that a 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:37.399 lot of the spells that they because each of the 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:40.520 four girls has sort of like their own character arc. 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:43.240 They're thing that they're trying to achieve, and at least 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:46.959 two of them are like either very superficial or selfish. 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:50.280 Where Bonnie is trying to remove the scars so that 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:52.199 she can be beautiful on the outside as well as 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:55.119 and and then as soon as that happens, she turns 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:57.840 like ship on the inside. She's like but also when 0:21:57.840 --> 0:21:59.720 they were just like when Sarah was giving her a 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:01.480 hard time in the car. I don't know. And I 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:03.680 say this as a teenager that wore a back brace, 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:07.639 Like when when Sarah turned to Bonnie and was like, 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:10.000 ever since you started looking at like a normal girl, 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:12.879 you've become a real bit or like that was summarized, 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:14.560 and I was like, you know what, give Bonnie like 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:16.239 a couple of months to be a little bit and 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:18.320 be like I'm cute now. I was like, man, because 0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:21.800 getting out of a physical prison is exciting, and give 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:23.119 her a couple of months. I don't know. I was 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:26.040 like getting her dress sexy and walk around. Yeah, like 0:22:26.359 --> 0:22:30.119