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Speaker 1: Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: What do we have, Crystal? Indeed, we do lots of

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Speaker 1: interesting stories this morning. Actually some brand new, big breaking

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Speaker 1: news on that reconciliation bill. Biden to make some big

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Speaker 1: announcements apparently today we'll bring you those details. And also

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Speaker 1: just the insane back and forth on trying to generate

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Speaker 1: any revenue of his taxes on any of the top

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Speaker 1: one percent. Apparently is off the table for some people

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Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party. Some developments on the strikes that

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Speaker 1: we've been following, including the Sectuary of Labor joining a

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Speaker 1: picket of Kellogg's workers, so we'll talk about that. Quite

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Speaker 1: an interesting development in the fight to combat misinformation. A

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Speaker 1: couple of billionaires have teamed up along with the lady

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Speaker 1: who destroyed the Iowa Caucuses to quote unquote fight misinformation.

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Speaker 1: Some interesting details there, quite an explosive exchange between the

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Speaker 1: CEO of TikTok and Ted Cruz. We've got those details.

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Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin and that fatal tragic shooting on set. There's

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Speaker 1: much they've confiscated from the set, whether charges are still

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Speaker 1: a possibility. Lots of interesting details there. Also, guys this week,

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Speaker 1: you've got yesterday Stephen Donziger sent to prison for six

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Speaker 1: months total insanity, and at the same time you have

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Speaker 1: Julian Assange, the US government still on appeal trying to

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Speaker 1: extradite him to the US, where he could face more

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Speaker 1: than one hundred year sentence, all for the crime of

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Speaker 1: doing journalism. We have Julian's brother here, Gabriel Shipton, to

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Speaker 1: and the told that it's taken on Julian, the toll

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Speaker 1: that it's taken on their family. So really grateful for

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Speaker 1: his time this morning, but we wanted to start with

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Speaker 1: is proposedly revealing a new framework for the Reconciliation, Build

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Speaker 1: Back Better Bill. It's supposed to be in the one

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Speaker 1: point seventy five trillion dollar range. And according to the

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Speaker 1: very skeptical of, it's quote expected to win support of

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Speaker 1: all Democrats. Let me read you the lead here. President

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Speaker 1: Biden plans to announce Thursday, that's today, a revised framework

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Speaker 1: littling down Biden's agenda. According to one of the people,

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Speaker 1: first of all, you had the mantra from the beginning,

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Speaker 1: over the last two days, we saw two things happen.

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Speaker 1: We saw that Christen Cinema had come out and said,

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Speaker 1: any corporation. And so then there came this very hair

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Speaker 1: brained kocamane idea around taxing unrealized capital gains but for

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Speaker 1: Joe Manchin then came out and was like, yeah, no, actually,

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Speaker 1: the goal to even go out and talk about this,

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Speaker 1: because from this position right now, Crystal, the only tax

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Speaker 1: idea is what Joe Manchin is floating called a Patriot tax,

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Speaker 1: which is basically that corporations have to pay a minimum

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Speaker 1: once from mister Mansion. But there's no way that you

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Speaker 1: Well they said ten thousand. But when you do that,

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Speaker 1: we were talking about this yesterday, I am mystified there

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Speaker 1: the way billionaire is not the only people who need

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Speaker 1: to carried interest loophole tomorrow. That's one hundred and eighty billion.

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Speaker 1: The step up basis is hundreds of billions. That's over

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Speaker 1: several years, one hundred and you know, Clifford askenas to

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Speaker 1: that billionaire who I've clashed with, to his credit, even

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Speaker 1: in that Wall Street journal piece, he goes, look, I'll

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Speaker 1: be honest, the step up basis, I can't defend that one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: nobody can. It's a total joke that you're telling me

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Speaker 1: you get to buy something for one thousand dollars. We

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Speaker 1: shouldn't say nobody can claim or Pascal that's right, people

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Speaker 1: who are paid to defend it. He's a billionaire. He's

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Speaker 1: is truly pathetic. So first you have what is, you know,

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Speaker 1: an improvement over the current situation, but not nearly far enough,

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Speaker 1: which is we're going to raise the marginal tax rate

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Speaker 1: of the after they'd already discarded, well, we're not really

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Speaker 1: going to go after billionaire. Well we're not. We're not

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Speaker 1: going to do discoverage phases. We're not going to go

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Speaker 1: after carried and we'll just increase the top marginal tax

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Speaker 1: race cares and cinemas. Oh no, we can't possibly do that, Okay,

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Speaker 1: so we scrap that. So then they come up with, Look,

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Speaker 1: billionaire tax is also taed because Joe Manchin, who they're

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Speaker 1: You're right about that. The governor of what's who doesn't

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Speaker 1: you go. So Mansion rules that out. By the way,

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Speaker 1: billionaire test a tax. Elon Musk, this is from Juddlugou,

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Speaker 1: man in the world right now, and made thirty six

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Speaker 1: of you know, he responded to somebody's suggestion that, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's right, they're going to come for you next. This

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Speaker 1: doesn't just about me. So the dude who I think

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Speaker 1: which the step up basis is what enables that scheme exactly.

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Speaker 1: So that's how he avoids paying effectively any taxes at all.

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Speaker 1: So he thinks he should continue to be completely untaxed.

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Speaker 1: There is a potential, you know, constitutional challenge with this.

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Speaker 1: the social programs that have been stripped down of here,

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Speaker 1: because quote, every sensible revenue option seems to be destroyed,

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Speaker 1: and every progressive option, he says, has been sabotaged one

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Speaker 1: cable news segment, no matter which channel you happen to

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Speaker 1: be turned to. This is a really different phenomenon and

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Speaker 1: a really different portrait of America that's happening here. And

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Speaker 1: it gives me a lot of hope because at the

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Speaker 1: same time that you see, you know, the reconciliation every

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Speaker 1: like is just so depressing, right, It's like the most

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Speaker 1: depressing thing ever when you can't even get the most

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Speaker 1: basic popular things that people vote for time and time again,

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Speaker 1: when you can't even get those passed. And yet you

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Speaker 1: see workers taking matters into their own hands and having

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Speaker 1: an impact not just within you know, their own communities

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Speaker 1: and what they're able to win from their employers and

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Speaker 1: the improvements they're able to make, but you do see

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Speaker 1: there having to be some political response, and you know

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Speaker 1: you can see too. I mean, Republicans will take note

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Speaker 1: that it will not be nearly so safe for them

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Speaker 1: to engage in the union bust the overt union busting

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Speaker 1: tactics that they've been engaged and comfortably now for decades.

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Speaker 1: So there is a little a bit of a turning

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Speaker 1: point here in terms of the labor movement and the

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Speaker 1: possibility that they could seize the day. And again, if

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Speaker 1: you're someone who believes in a multi racial, working class politics,

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Speaker 1: this is the most hopeful thing that you could possibly see.

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Speaker 1: It transcends parts and divides. It transcends. It does transcend

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Speaker 1: education divides because we saw, you know, teach college educated teachers.

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Speaker 1: We see nurses and healthcare workers involved as well. It

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Speaker 1: certainly transcends geographic divides. This is a truly coast to

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Speaker 1: coast blue state, red state phenomenon, and you love to

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Speaker 1: see it. There's one other piece here update on the

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Speaker 1: John Deere strike that we wanted to bring you from

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Speaker 1: our friend Ken Clippenstein, who gets the best material, he

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Speaker 1: gets the greatest leaks. Ever, so you will recall is

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Speaker 1: a little bit of set up here that in order

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Speaker 1: to break the strike, John Deere brought in their like

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Speaker 1: white collar office workers to try to work on the

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Speaker 1: factory floor, and within hours of this, the first day

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Speaker 1: of them doing that, there was an ambulance rush to

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Speaker 1: the scene. It turns out there was a trust somebody

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Speaker 1: you know, crash detractor like. These people are also being

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Speaker 1: put in horrible position. Albeit I will say they could

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Speaker 1: band together and refuse to work as well. But now

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Speaker 1: put that tweet back up for one more second. John

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Speaker 1: Deere is basically banning the writing down of these accident reports.

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Speaker 1: They've declared them confidential following tractor crash by non union worker,

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Speaker 1: per an internal memo leaked to Can of course, and

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Speaker 1: a John Deere executive says they're not putting things in

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Speaker 1: writing in order to prevent leaks to the media. So

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Speaker 1: there may be more going on there in terms of accidents.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we don't want anyone to actually get hurt

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Speaker 1: in the fact that they're putting people in this position

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Speaker 1: is horrific. But Ken also got some great quotes here

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Speaker 1: from some of the office workers who have been thrown

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Speaker 1: into this situation. One of them said we're soft desk

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Speaker 1: jockeys getting thrown into hard labor with little training. Another

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Speaker 1: employee complaining about the lack of training put it more bluntly,

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Speaker 1: we are gonna get killed. So they are an unconscionable position. Again,

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Speaker 1: they could band together, they could say we're not doing this,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of them have expressed that they actually

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Speaker 1: feel a lot of solidarity with blue collar workers. Not

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Speaker 1: only that, if you want to design an engineer a

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Speaker 1: program to make your white collar workers feel solidarity with

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Speaker 1: the blue collar workers, put them into their jobs and

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Speaker 1: be like, how's this going for you? You know, how

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Speaker 1: does it feel to do this work? How does this

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Speaker 1: feel on your body? I imagine losing every weekend, imagine

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Speaker 1: you know, the overtime that they asked you to do.

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Speaker 1: Imagine coming in at this lower tier and not even

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Speaker 1: having like the solidarity that you should have with your

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Speaker 1: brothers and sisters. So there you go, And there's a

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Speaker 1: one more update from Jonah Furman which just goes to

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Speaker 1: show the links John deeres if they said they would

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Speaker 1: not be cutting ten thousand dollars workers off of their

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Speaker 1: healthcare as they had previously planned to do, but the

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Speaker 1: members who actually called United Healthcare were told they were

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Speaker 1: being cut off at midnight, and that was sixteen hours ago.

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Speaker 1: So wow, it just shows like they're trying to win

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Speaker 1: this PR war, but their actions tell a very different story.

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Speaker 1: And maybe we should just keep highlighting how these people

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Speaker 1: continue to treat their employees. Indeed, Hey, so remember how

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Speaker 1: interesting one here on the disinformation front. This is amazing,

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Speaker 1: So let's put this up there on the screen. I

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Speaker 1: almost couldn't believe it whenever I read it. Which is

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Speaker 1: that thing? Reid Hoffman, the billionaire behind LinkedIn, and George

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Speaker 1: Soros are starting a new media firm who is led

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Speaker 1: by Tara McGowan in order to combat disinformation. So I

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Speaker 1: feel like all three of those names are very loaded.

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Speaker 1: George Soros needs no introduction. Reid Hoffman actually has already

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Speaker 1: been caught funding disinformation by Democrats in the state of Alabama,

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Speaker 1: to which he had to apologize for. Well, they have

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Speaker 1: teamed up with Tara McGowan, So you Burnie people might

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Speaker 1: remember he was the person who ran the nonprofit called

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Speaker 1: Acronym which built that horrible app that was used by

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Speaker 1: the Democrats, this literal shadow app in Iowa which led

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Speaker 1: to that total and complete cluster. And well, by the way,

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Speaker 1: very conveniently she and her associates all supported Pete and

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Speaker 1: this he weird, what a coincidence all of that on

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Speaker 1: the table. So well, they are all teaming up together

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Speaker 1: to start a site to combat disinformation and it's called

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Speaker 1: good Information Inc. That's not a joke to fund and

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Speaker 1: scale businesses that cut through echo chambers with fact that

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Speaker 1: its reporting. As part of its permission, it plans to

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Speaker 1: invest in local news companies. Now that sounds terrible, and

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Speaker 1: actually what's even worse is that they have went ahead

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Speaker 1: and they are acquiring some different brands and so Courier

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Speaker 1: Newsroom was one of those that they went ahead and acquired.

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Speaker 1: It's a local news group with a quote progressive perspective

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Speaker 1: that was run by Tara, run by Tara. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: basically sorosen Hoffman by Tara's little group, and now she

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Speaker 1: gets to run it. But I'm really concerned about this, Crystal,

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Speaker 1: because this is exactly one of those things where, in

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Speaker 1: the name of combating disinformation, you were going to have

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Speaker 1: these billionaires who are absolutely not acting in bad faith,

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Speaker 1: working with a literal democratic operative, and they could be

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Speaker 1: infiltrating local news sites to try and turn them into propaganda.

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Speaker 1: And Reid Hoffman has already done this. He has already

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Speaker 1: funded fake news projects in Alabama, spreading disinformation posing as

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Speaker 1: local news sites, and again he had to apologize for

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Speaker 1: this in the past. So can you think of anything

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Speaker 1: worse to combat disinformation? Like if you were going to

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Speaker 1: come up with a project to prove the points we've

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Speaker 1: been making about how all of this is just about

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Speaker 1: having over the dialogue and about a power grab and

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Speaker 1: wanting a different set of billionaires to be the ones

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Speaker 1: in control of who gets to say what within the

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Speaker 1: political narrative, Like you could not come up with a

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Speaker 1: project that more perfectly proves that point. And just to

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Speaker 1: go in even a little bit deeper on so Courier Newsroom,

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Speaker 1: which was a Tara McGowan project, Their whole thing. What

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Speaker 1: they did is they set up these quote unquote local

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Speaker 1: news sites that are meant to look like, oh, it's

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Speaker 1: just a local blog giving me local information whatever. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's literal, like expressly this was the whole plan

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Speaker 1: of the project, literal political propaganda. There's one in Virginia

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Speaker 1: right now. If you go to it, every single article

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Speaker 1: is about how terrible Glen Youngkin is and how great

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Speaker 1: Terry mccalliff is. So the lead right now is if

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Speaker 1: we do have Glen Youngkin as the governor of Virginia,

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Speaker 1: then will be just like Texas, referring to the Texas

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Speaker 1: abortion law. Here's another one. How can Virginia spark small

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Speaker 1: business growth? Terry mcculliff asks owners. Here's one on education.

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Speaker 1: Here's why Glenn Youngkin's embrace of the school choice movement

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Speaker 1: has some worried. Every single article is just political propaganda

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Speaker 1: that they're very like pathetically trying to disguise as just

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Speaker 1: we're just your local news source. So Courier Newsroom is

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Speaker 1: actual misinformation right like, it is actual propaganda misinformation. And

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Speaker 1: this isn't just me like looking at it and putting

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Speaker 1: a spin on it. Vice News got their hand on

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Speaker 1: the memo explaining what Courier Newsroom was all about and

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Speaker 1: what their goals were, and it was all about Tara

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Speaker 1: McGown is Democratic Party operating. That's who she is. Fine,

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Speaker 1: which is fine, but like the idea that you're going

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Speaker 1: to be this neutral arbiter of fact and fiction in

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Speaker 1: the political dialogue is insane. So their whole pitch on

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Speaker 1: Currier Newsroom was here's the voters we're going to reach,

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Speaker 1: Here's how many were going to be able to persuade.

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Speaker 1: No accident that the first local news quote unquote groups

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Speaker 1: that they set up were all in swing states. It

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Speaker 1: was when Virginia was having elections. That's when this thing

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Speaker 1: ultimately launched. So again, the thing that they acquired to

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Speaker 1: start their Good Information Anti Misinformation group is literal misinformation.

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Speaker 1: Like you couldn't you just literally can't make it up.

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Speaker 1: Not to mention, the other part of this that really

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Speaker 1: gets me is the Iowa caucuses were a shameful, embarrassing

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Speaker 1: failure that undermined everyone's faith in democracy period. Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we never we literally never got an accurate count of

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Speaker 1: what the caucus results were. We never did. They just

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Speaker 1: gave up. They're like, well, this is close enough and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna give it to pe. So she was intimately

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Speaker 1: involved in that dramatic, embarrassing, terrible for the country failure

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Speaker 1: and is effectively being warded. I mean, there is no

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Speaker 1: failing in the Democratic Party so long as you serve

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Speaker 1: their interest. That's that's ultimately the bottom line here. I

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Speaker 1: would love to know how much, you know, she would

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Speaker 1: ultimately her career newsroom thing, which is like, I don't

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Speaker 1: think has had much of an impact, how much that

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Speaker 1: was acquired for. I'm sure this is a for profit

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Speaker 1: entity that they're starting. So yeah, you just fail up

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Speaker 1: within the Democratic Party ecosystem so long as you serve

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Speaker 1: the centers of power that exists within them. And if

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Speaker 1: you worry about misinformation on Facebook, what's even worse about

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Speaker 1: this is that they use these legitimizing sites and they

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Speaker 1: try to pressure Facebook in order to make them like

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Speaker 1: a trusted source of information so they can go and

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Speaker 1: fact check different stuff. Right, so it has a good veneer,

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Speaker 1: then Facebook will give it the green light and referential

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Speaker 1: treatment and its algorithm, and now you have fake news

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Speaker 1: under the guise of combating misinformation, spreading like wildfire and

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Speaker 1: being shared by you know, I make fun of right

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Speaker 1: wing boomers a lot here on the show, left wing

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Speaker 1: boomers being like, oh my god, can you believe this?

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Speaker 1: Share on Facebook, you know, share on Facebook to some

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Speaker 1: group or whatever, and you know, sending it to your

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Speaker 1: nephew even though he's like, Grandma, please stop saying this.

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Speaker 1: It's completely not true. And just just again so you know,

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Speaker 1: this is not my like left wing bitter about Iowa

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Speaker 1: take here. This is from Salon Right. Salon wrote, an

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Speaker 1: affiliate of Acronym Courier Newsroom has set up what appeared

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Speaker 1: to be local news sites but are actually propaganda efforts

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Speaker 1: aimed at creating content to be shared on social media

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Speaker 1: to boost moderate, read conservative democrats. So that was their

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Speaker 1: whole project. Fake news was literally their project. And now

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Speaker 1: they're taking that and buying it and turning it into

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Speaker 1: like we're the good guys, we're good information. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: tell you what's true and what's fall Wow. Really really pathetic, okay,

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Speaker 1: speaking of good information, possibly bad. See what I did there? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so you guysight remember back in the day, I did

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Speaker 1: a lot of the segments on TikTok and how TikTok,

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Speaker 1: the Chinese run company which you know a lot of

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Speaker 1: teenagers using now currently one of the most popular social

643
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: media apps in the United States, currently beating Instagram by

644
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: Facebook's own data, teams spend three times more time on

645
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: TikTok than they do on Instagram. Well, they were going

646
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: on a big hiring spree of all of these Republicans

647
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: and I found that interesting. One of them, his name

648
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: was Michael Beckerman, a former Republican staffer, worked at the

649
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: Internet Association. This man has previously posed for magazine covers

650
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: in which he was like drinking and whole, you know,

651
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: having all these multi thousand dollars products. Just to give

652
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: you an idea of who this individual is. Hired gun

653
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: of the extreme kind of a clown. Well, he appeared

654
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: recently and he's the first TikTok official ever to appear

655
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 1: before the United States Congress. He's the head of public policy.

656
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: He was pressed repeatedly by Ted Cruz do you share

657
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: information with Beijing? Basic question, something that TikTok has denied repeatedly.

658
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: But remember this is before Congress, and this is under oath,

659
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: and just take a listen to see how this went.

660
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: Is Beijing byte Edance Technology a quote other affiliate of

661
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: our corporate group, as your privacy policy defines that term centators.

662
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: As I pointed out before, my answer is the same

663
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: yes or no. You didn't answer, Senator, I appreciate your

664
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: trying with with gotcha questions on I got your question.

665
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm asking your policyful and accurate about Are you willing

666
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: to answer this question? Yes or no? Senator, I answered

667
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: the question. You have not answered the question is it

668
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: another affiliate? Yes or no? Senator, I stated a number

669
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 1: of times that that entity is a domestic entity within

670
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: China for licenses there and apples are read. You stated

671
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: something that the question I asked, is it another affiliate

672
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: has defined under your privacy policy yes or no? Senator,

673
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: I answer here under oath, are you going to answer

674
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: the questions? Answer the questions? Are you instructed not to

675
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: answer this question? No, Senator, I'm so you're just not

676
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: refusing to answer it because you don't want to. Senator,

677
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: it is not affiliated with TikTok Is. That's your question.

678
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: That is the answer. So your answer, I want to

679
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: be clear, because you're under oath, your answer is that

680
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: Beijing ByteDance Technology is not a quote other affiliate of

681
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 1: our corporate group. As your privacy policy uses that term.

682
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: This is a legal question with consequence. Senator, I understand

683
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: the question. As I pointed out, TikTok is not available

684
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 1: in China. That is an entity that is for purposes

685
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: of a license of a business in China that is

686
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: not affiliated with TikTok. So, for the record, you're refusing

687
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: to answer the question. I believe I answered your question,

688
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: yes or no. Tell me which one it is. Just

689
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: give me one word, yes or no, Senator, I answered,

690
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: I answered the question. You're not willing to say yes

691
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: or no. It was not not a yes or no question.

692
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: I want to be precise to be was this company

693
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: another affiliate has defined in your privacy policy that is binary.

694
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: There's not a maybe. It's ye, yes or no. Senator,

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00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm the way I answered. I'm not aware that that

696
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: is the answer to the question. Okay, So you're refusing

697
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: to answer the question. That does not give this committee

698
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: any confidence that that TikTok is doing anything other than

699
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 1: participating in Chinese propaganda and espionage on America. That that's

700
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: not accurate. And again I would I would point you

701
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: t if it were. If it were not accurate, you

702
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: would answer the questions and you have dodged the questions

703
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: more than any witness I heard. This is very important, Crystal.

704
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: And look, I know it's Ted Cruz and I cringe

705
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: to in every talk, so I'm sorry, but this is

706
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: very important because what they get to TikTok likes to say,

707
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: we do not share any information with the Chinese government.

708
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: Present that Beckerman will not say that, as defined under

709
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: their privacy policy that by Dance, the corporation which owns TikTok,

710
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: which is here in the United States, is because if

711
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: they admit to the fact that they share data with

712
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: by Dance, who owns them, by the way, then they

713
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: are admitting which by Dance, which is a CCP controlled company.

714
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: This is not me saying that their CEO has apologize

715
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 1: publicly before to the CCP for not treading the party line.

716
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: Their own company holds doctrination sessions where they go over

717
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: CCP ideology in their headquarters. All of this is a

718
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: matter of public record. The reason he won't say that

719
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: is because if he admits that they do share that data,

720
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: then you are de facto quasi admitting that you are

721
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: sharing your information with the Chinese government. Now, maybe you're

722
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: cool with that, like maybe, and you know, I think

723
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people probably are, if you were going

724
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: to be honest. But the fact that they can't answer

725
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: that publicly just tells you a lot. I think in

726
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 1: terms of this company wants to do everything it possibly

727
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: can to try and obfuscate who they are. That's why

728
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: they tried. Remember that there was this whole forced sale

729
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: business under Trump, And if you really want to show

730
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: Trump was a miserable failure, it's the fact that TikTok

731
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: is still even available in the US even though he

732
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: said he was going to ban it because he tried

733
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: to do some like forced sell it to Microsoft or

734
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: something instead of just banning it. And then they just

735
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: sort of stopped talking. Yeah, and then there were like, oh, well,

736
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: we screwed this up legally, never seen that before from

737
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: the Trump administration. And then they just kind of like

738
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: moved on quietly from all of that. I think this

739
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: is the perfect example of how you can these people

740
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: number one, get away with it. Two the problem is

741
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: is that is Ted Cruise a good faith actor? No, Like,

742
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 1: let's all be honest. This is all just becomes culture

743
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: war over the Senate over China, and I guess I

744
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: mean I appreciate it because at least he got an

745
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: answer from him under oath. But are you really going

746
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 1: to see this elevated to the to a case where

747
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: there might actually be some action. No, If anything, I

748
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: think this probably makes it harder for the Biden administration

749
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: to even try and do anything about it, because then

750
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: it looks like they're allied with Ted Cruz. And I

751
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: think it's part of the problem really, whenever we talk

752
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: so much about this issue, and look, if you really

753
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: do care about data privacy, and I'm not saying US

754
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 1: corporations are actors here, okay, but at least here the

755
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: FBI needs to pretend to try and get a warrant

756
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: before or they try and get your data from Facebook

757
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: or Google over there, there's no such thing. Do you

758
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: really want a foreign adversary to have access to the

759
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 1: data and preferences of your children and you? They're eighty

760
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: million Americans who use TikTok every single day and spend

761
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: over what like an hour a day on the app.

762
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: There's a lot of data in terms of what they

763
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 1: know about you. They know you better than you probably

764
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: know yourself. That's the whole point of the algorithm. So

765
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: to make sure I understand the issue correctly. So they

766
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: have a thing in their privacy policy that effectively says

767
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: we can share data with our affiliates. That's right. And

768
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 1: so what he's questioning him on is is by dance

769
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: one of your affiliates yes. Because if the answer is yes,

770
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: then they share data. That means they share data with them.

771
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: And that's why he's doing everything he can to avoid

772
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: answering that question. And the CCP, I think they have

773
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: a seat on the board and own a stake infight it.

774
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: They're intimately involved. It's complicated. So in terms of the

775
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: seat and the board and all that, they don't even

776
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: need that because the company cannot exist without a license.

777
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: So they grant the license, and you can't get the

778
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: license unless you're in compliance with CCP doctrine and ideology.

779
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: The thing that I guess that I take away most

780
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: from this is like, God, these tech CEOs just lie

781
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: through their teeth routinely. They do routinely on Congress before

782
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: Congress on major issues of importance. I mean, zucker work

783
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: and the Facebook executives routinely lied about how their platform works,

784
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: especially with regards to that elites are treated differently than

785
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: the masses on their platform. They lied about knowing like

786
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: we now know that they are aware that Instagram causes

787
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: a lot of harm to teenage girls and really like

788
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: destroys their self confidence in there and creates you know,

789
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: eating disorders and all these issues. Like they studied that

790
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: they knew that, and then they were like, no, we

791
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: don't know. It could be who knows. We know with Amazon,

792
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: like we know that they said that, oh no, we

793
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: don't use third party seller data at all to reverse

794
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: it to engineer our own products. We don't favor our

795
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 1: stuff in the algorithm. Like they just will routinely misrepresent

796
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: or outright lie or this guy was you know, trying

797
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: to dodge the question altogether. They just are completely not

798
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: straightforward about their business practices. And Congress doesn't do anything. Sorry,

799
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 1: the government doesn't doesn't do anything about it. Yeah, and

800
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: you know, with the TikTok and China, I just sort

801
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: of feel like all our data is already so for

802
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: sale to the highest bidder in every aspect of our life,

803
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 1: like whether it's the federal governments buying on us, whether

804
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: it's corporations in the way that they you know, package

805
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: and sell your data, whether it's like these Israeli firms

806
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: that can literally, you know, infect your Yeah, they can

807
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: infect your phone with now you even like clicking on

808
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: a bad link or bad email or anything like that.

809
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: It just feels like there's absolutely no privacy left whatsoever.

810
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: And then you have places like the New York Times

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00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: that are effectively cheering on this direction where they're like, oh,

812
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: now we need to go after encrypted apps because there's

813
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: unfettered conversations, remember that term happening on these encrypted apps

814
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: as well. So it's really disturbing. I mean, just everything

815
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 1: that you do and say can be taken and used

816
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: and you know, sort of weaponized against you personally, whether

817
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: it's to manipulate you or get you to buy a

818
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: product or whatever it ultimately is. So that's what's sort

819
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: of really depressing about it. But I find yeah, yeah,

820
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: But the last thing I'll say is like, you know,

821
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: we have this fiction in America that the way that

822
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: these businesses get ahead and the way they succeed is

823
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: they create a great product and they compete in a

824
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: marketplace and there the cream rises to the top. And

825
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: so the best products, the best companies succeed. And what

826
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: a lot of this actually reveals. And this is a

827
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: stolar point as well, is it's not free and open competition.

828
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: It's a lot of like, how can I cheat and

829
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: get away with it? How can I rig them marketplace

830
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: so that I'm the only actor who can possibly succeed.

831
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: And if you talk to you know, CEOs who are honest,

832
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: they'll tell you like that is the CEO training. It's

833
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: not how to compete in an open, fair marketplace, it's

834
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: how to rig that marketplace and effectively that sort of

835
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: competition is for suckers and losers. Yeah, that's true. The

836
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: real winners are the ones who rig it to their

837
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: advantage and make sure that you know they can, that

838
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: they can dominate the marketplace and effectively establish monopoly. And

839
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: so it's no surprise then that when that ethos of

840
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: cheating and law breaking is rife throughout corporate America. It's

841
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: like the beating heart of corporate America that you have

842
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: CEO after CEO come before Congress and just blatantly lie

843
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 1: or dodge or obfuscate. Yeah, no, it's all very true.

844
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: I think there's a book the Surveillance Economy I forget exactly, Yeah,

845
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: wrote it gets too much of what you're talking about.

846
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: I recommend people go and check it out. But this

847
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: really just shows the conundrum and the absolute just weakness

848
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: of the state, which is that you have this app

849
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: which is controlled by the CCP, which is now one

850
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: of the most popular ones in the US. Our president

851
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 1: at the time, idiotic president, tried to do something about it,

852
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: but did it so foolishly and so terribly that everybody

853
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: just accepts that this is the case. They can lie

854
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: and before Congress or at least de facto admit that

855
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 1: they are controlled by a foreign adversary, and nobody will

856
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: do anything about it. That is just, you know, that's

857
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: America to me. The story. Yeah, okay, let's move on, Baldwin.

858
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: This is really stunning. So we were tracking this case

859
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 1: very closely. We know there's a lot of public interests

860
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: and there's also some very gross people who are trying

861
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: to make jokes or whatever. Look like a young woman

862
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: died here and that's actually the real story. And the

863
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: more that comes out from the Sheriff's office down in

864
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 1: Santa Fe County, New Mexico, the more questions that are raised.

865
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: Sheriff Mendoza Santa Fe County gave a press conference yesterday

866
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: revealed a couple of stunning things. I'll say just at

867
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Speaker 1: the top. Number One, they are not ruling out charges

868
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: for Alec Baldwin. Number two, they have recovered spent casings

869
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: and the projectile that they believe to have been a

870
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: live round which was inserted inside of a revolver, which

871
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 1: was what shot and killed that director of cinematography. Let's

872
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: take a listen to what he said. The actual led

873
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: projectile that was fired has been recovered from the shoulder

874
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: of mister Susa. The projectile was recovered by medical personnel

875
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: where he was being treated and turned over to the

876
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: Sheriff's office as evidence. We regard this specific spent casing

877
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: and recovered projectile to be the live round that was

878
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: fired from the revolver by mister Baldwin. We have recovered

879
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: what we believe to be possible additional live rounds on set.

880
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 1: All the previous mentioned items, along with other items of evidence,

881
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: will be submitted to the FBI Crime Lab in Chronicle,

882
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: Virginia for analysis. What really sticks out to me there, Crystal,

883
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: we have recovered other live rounds from the set. And

884
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: so you and I were speaking before, and we know

885
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: that the policy on these sets is supposed to be.

886
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: Not only do you never have a weapon with live ammunition,

887
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: you never have live ammunition on the set at period.

888
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 1: So not only was there live ammunition inside of this revolver,

889
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: And actually, some fans of the show were explaining to me,

890
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: there's no way this could have been. I think it's

891
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: no longer accidental discharge as the term, it's negligent discharge

892
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: because it's a revolver. You have a gun, right, you

893
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: have to like physiologically get this thing to fire. And

894
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: when you again, just think about the mechanics. So you

895
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: have this gun which is sitting there. That means that

896
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: somebody opened the gun, placed the live round inside of

897
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: the gun, closed the gun, gave the gun to Alec Baldwin,

898
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: and then he in the process. I mean, I would

899
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: assume maybe he has no train of fire arms whatsoever.

900
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,479
Speaker 1: And again I'm not a gun guy, so I don't

901
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: know everything exactly. But you have to cock the gun

902
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: and fire the gun, and at no point does anybody

903
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 1: check the gun itself and the actual chambers in which

904
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 1: the rounds were inserted with. The more you think about

905
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: the chain of custody and the fact that there were

906
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: all these live ammunition apparently on the set, this live

907
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: round which ended up killing this woman and injuring another person.

908
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: How the hell does all of this happen? It just

909
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: seems to be an extraordinary series of events here which

910
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: have no conceivable explanation. And also why the sheriff is

911
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: not ruling out charges necessarily against ALC Baldwin, Yes, Alec

912
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: Baldwin or anyone else who was ultimately involved. And that's

913
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: the key question is how and why were their live

914
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: rounds on the set at all? Right and right now,

915
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: no one is saying what they have found or what

916
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: they understand in that regard. I was reading there was

917
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: an inventory list filed by detectives at the Santa Fe

918
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: Sheriff's Department that showed, according to Core documents this is

919
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: from CNN, they confiscated from the scene as evidence a

920
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: fanny pack with ammunition, to ammo boxes with ammo, and

921
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: also loose ammo from a tray. Like what what I

922
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: mean again? I read an opinion piece from someone who's

923
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: they call them armors, who's in charge of the gun

924
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: safety on the set and they're supposed to be the

925
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: ones ensuring that the guns are are safe. That they

926
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: don't have live rads and them handing them ultimately to

927
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: whatever actor person is going to use them. And they

928
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: said that the only instance where you would ever have

929
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: live AMMO on a set is in these rare cases

930
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: where you're maybe like filming a gun safety video for

931
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: educational purposes. You have to license these guns, you have

932
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 1: to register, there's a whole protocol involved to make sure

933
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: that this never ever happens. So not only did you

934
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: have this live round fired from the revolver, killing the

935
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Speaker 1: cinematographer and wounding another individual, but you apparently had other

936
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Speaker 1: significant amounts of other live AMMO just laying around the set.

937
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: Why how did this happen? And then the other thing

938
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: you layer on top of this is that we know

939
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,919
Speaker 1: that the working conditions were not good. You had six

940
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: individuals who had just quit. Some of the reports were

941
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: that they were overworked, that they were tired, they weren't

942
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: being booked hotel rooms, they were having to drive long distances.

943
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: So you potentially have some of the people who are

944
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: involved in This is a little more speculative, but you

945
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: potentially have some of the people who were supposed to

946
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: be involved in safety who are exhausted and not at

947
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: their best too, so you add that to the mix.

948
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: But there are some significant missing pieces here right now,

949
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: because none of it adds up. The biggest question is

950
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: why was there live ammo on the set at all

951
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: in the first place, And right now no one is saying.

952
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: And here's the other thing. Hannah and Gutierrez read cheese

953
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: the armor. She has already told investigators under oath, no

954
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: live Ammo is ever kept on set. That's according to her.

955
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: So either she's lying or somebody else brought some gun.

956
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: There's some ammo. Yeah, onto the shops is very green.

957
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 1: So this is only her second film serving as armorer,

958
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: and on the last one, which was her first time

959
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: doing this. Apparently her father also worked in this capacity

960
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: and was well known, etc. So she sort of came

961
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: up in the culture. But reportedly on that first film,

962
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: first of all, she was reluctant to take it because

963
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: she wasn't sure that she was ready, And then there

964
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: were apparently some issues with her handling of the guns

965
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: on that set. Again, reportedly, that was a movie that

966
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: had Nicholas Cage. One report said that she fired a

967
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: weapon close range to him. He was really mad because

968
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 1: she didn't warn she just like fired at the ground

969
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: hurt his ears. So there were issues there as well

970
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: where people felt that she was sort of too casual

971
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: and not taking enough precautions with the firearms. But again,

972
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: these are all reports, and who knows who's trying to

973
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: throw whom under the bus here. Ultimately, there's a ton

974
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: of unanswered questions, and I still think we don't have

975
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: any we're close to a clear picture of how this

976
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: horrific tragedy ultimately could have unfolded. I still, you know,

977
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: the more I read about it, it's crazy. Among the

978
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: six hundred items of evidence that were recovered, there were

979
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: five hundred rounds of ammunition, some of which were believed

980
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: to be live rounds. Which five hundred rounds of ammunition

981
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: now looks maybe some of them are blanks. Like all

982
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: of that, I don't know, like in terms of the

983
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 1: terminology and all of that, it's very unclear. But there's

984
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: a lot of focus too on that assistant director Dave Halls,

985
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: who handed the gun to Alec Baldwin and apparently said

986
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: cold gun whenever that happened. And what I also find

987
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 1: very suspicious is that Halls, the assistant director, could only

988
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: remember seeing quote three rounds apparently is what he called detectives,

989
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: and that he should have checked all of them. But

990
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: he also said he couldn't recall if gutier As Reid

991
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: had spun the drum of the gun according to that

992
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: affidavit which has been signed by the detective. So clearly

993
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: there are a couple individuals here who are under the gun,

994
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: so to speak, in terms of their investigation. Missus gutier

995
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: As Reid, did she do her job? She says? There

996
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: was no live ambo on set. Well, they've recovered a

997
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: lot of my own set. Not necessarily she brought it there.

998
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: We'll see Dave Hall's he's the guy who actually handed

999
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 1: the gun. Apparently he was also responsible for some sort

1000
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: of gun safety. Previous film people who have been interviewed

1001
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: said there's no reason for an assistant director even to

1002
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 1: even hand to act or a gun. So it's already

1003
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: highly unusual that he's even involved in the entire chain

1004
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: of custody. And then also, look Alec Baldwin is not

1005
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: being let off of the hook here. What did he know?

1006
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: Did he know about negligence? Did he know about Remember

1007
00:54:55,560 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: there have been reports of previous accidental negligent discharges that

1008
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,439
Speaker 1: had happened on set, so maybe there was some other

1009
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: screwy going on, but something clearly went very very wrong

1010
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: here and it resulted in the death of the young woman. Yeah.

1011
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: The last thing I'll say on the charges this is

1012
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: from the district attorney, who says, you know, we don't

1013
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: know how those live rounds got there, and I think

1014
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: that will probably end up being the lynchpin for whether

1015
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: a decision is made about charges. She says that what

1016
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: they would consider is involuntary manslaughter charges pending the outcome,

1017
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: though those are uncommon in the state of New Mexico,

1018
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: and she explained some of the legal jargon here that effectively,

1019
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: you'd have to show some sort of criminal negligence for

1020
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: involuntary manslaughter charges to ultimately be filed. So we'll see

1021
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: where the investigation goes. But according to her, that question

1022
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: of how these live rounds ended up on the set

1023
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: and one of them in that gun, that is the lynchpin,

1024
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: in her words, for other or not charges ultimately be filed. Yeah,

1025
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,439
Speaker 1: we'll keep you guys updated. Wow, you guys must really

1026
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: like listening to our voices. While I know this is annoying,

1027
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: instead of making you listen to a Viagra commercial. When

1028
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Speaker 1: you're done, check out the other podcast I do with

1029
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Speaker 1: Marshal Costsoff called The Realignment. We talk a lot about

1030
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: the deeper issues that are changing realigning in American society.

1031
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 1: You always need more Crystal and Zag in your daily lives.

1032
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,479
Speaker 1: Take care guys. All right, sago, what are you looking at? Well,

1033
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: it's time for one of my favorite segments here on

1034
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Speaker 1: breaking points inflation. Now, for the life of me, I

1035
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: cannot understand why so many people online are ideologically committed

1036
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: one way or the other to the idea that there

1037
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,959
Speaker 1: is hyperinflation in our economy due to government spending during

1038
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: the pandemic. But here we are, and to be fair,

1039
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: we do need to acknowledge the basic truth that prices

1040
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: are rising all across the US economy to the detriment

1041
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: of the working class. Inflation, as we have covered here

1042
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: earlier in the week, is now the number one concern

1043
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: along with COVID, that voters have when it comes to

1044
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: judging the Biden administration. And when something reaches that level

1045
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 1: of political salience, I am cautioning everyone ignore convenient explanations,

1046
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: ignore culture or grifters, pause, actually try to figure out

1047
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on. I'll tell you why

1048
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,479
Speaker 1: that's so important. Ask yourself if the people who are

1049
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: making hay about inflation actually care about it, and more importantly,

1050
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: have they diagnosed the problem correctly so they can fix

1051
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: it for you and your family. There are a whole

1052
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: lot of people here in DC salivating at the idea

1053
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: that the public will once again believe their lives, that

1054
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: their lives, that government spending is going to lead to

1055
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: a large increase in consumer prices. It's a perfect excuse

1056
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: to slash and burn services, and worse, it's the perfect

1057
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: excuse to do nothing in the middle of the next crisis. Now,

1058
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: some aspects of inflation you've already heard here discussed ad nauseum, semiconductors, cars, globalization,

1059
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: over reliance on trade with China. But today I want

1060
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: to focus in on and explain the rise in prices

1061
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: that arguably matters the most to every single American. Their

1062
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: grocery store bill, how much they pay at a restaurant,

1063
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: or when they order a cup of coffee. Food is

1064
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: something we all need an increase. There is a major

1065
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: tax on every single one of us. It is often

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Speaker 1: the category most pointed to as evidence that inflation is

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Speaker 1: here to stay. So let's investigate food is a market.

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Speaker 1: It probably shouldn't be, in my opinion, but to feed

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Speaker 1: eight billion people on the planet, nearly every aspect of

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Speaker 1: the agricultural and culinary market is commoditized. This is important

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Speaker 1: to understand because it means that food itself is a business,

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Speaker 1: and when it's a business, it is subject to the

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Speaker 1: same business dynamics. That's other things that we've discussed, like

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Speaker 1: semiconductors or cars are The food on your plate or

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Speaker 1: what you order at a restaurant is a product of

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Speaker 1: all of the different inputs. Think about it. To grow food,

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Speaker 1: you need land, you need fertilizer, you need chemicals, you

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Speaker 1: need machinery, you need personnel, you need truck drivers. So

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Speaker 1: sinsus a business. If you were to see an increase

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Speaker 1: in price in one of those inputs, you would see

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Speaker 1: a price in the overall price of food and lo

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Speaker 1: and behold, that is exactly what's happening right now. There

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Speaker 1: is an energy crisis, not here but in Europe. Now.

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Speaker 1: Europe is heavily reliant on natural gas. Natural gas prices

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Speaker 1: have skyrocketed, and that means food is becoming more expensive.

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Speaker 1: Why because natural gas is the key feedstock for the

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Speaker 1: production of the most common artificial fertilizers such as urea

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Speaker 1: and ammonium nitrate. Now why might you ask, is Europe

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Speaker 1: in them such an energy crisis? Well, that is because

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Speaker 1: of European energy reliance on Chinese coal, and right now

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Speaker 1: there is a big coal shortage in China. China is

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Speaker 1: actually rationing coal, not because they don't have enough, but

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Speaker 1: because they have too much demand. Chinese manufacturing is roaring

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Speaker 1: to life to make all of the cheap stuff that

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Speaker 1: Americans are buying online, which means that to come at

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Speaker 1: the exact same moment, they have a massive shortage of

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Speaker 1: mind coal. Now you may not know this, it takes

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Speaker 1: a while to mind coal, which means there are rolling

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Speaker 1: black in China and they are gobbling up all the

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Speaker 1: coal that they can use and they're not exporting any

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Speaker 1: of it. But that's not all that's going on with food.

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Speaker 1: You may not know this, but last year, on top

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Speaker 1: of being a player, was also a drought year. About

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Speaker 1: ten percent of the United States is currently in what

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Speaker 1: they call quote exceptional drought, the most severe designation, which

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Speaker 1: is characterized by quote widespread crop and pasture losses, shortages

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Speaker 1: and reservoirs, streams, and wells, amounting to a water emergency.

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Speaker 1: The rest of the country ain't doing so hot either.

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Speaker 1: We have forty four percent of the entire country affected

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Speaker 1: by some level of drought and an additional thirteen percent

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Speaker 1: in some sort of water shortage. What about coffee, that's

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Speaker 1: another food type category. Everybody realizes the price goes up. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's connected to drought too, but not one here at

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Speaker 1: home in Brazil. Brazil provides more coffee to the United

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Speaker 1: States than any other country in the world. They've had

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Speaker 1: a severe drought this year too. On top of that,

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Speaker 1: political protests in Columbia and the supply chain crisis have

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Speaker 1: pushed coffee price up forty three percent. Some of you

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Speaker 1: may have seen this viral New York Times story, and

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Speaker 1: I actually think they did a pretty good job. Let's

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Speaker 1: put it up there on the screen. Thanksgiving is going

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Speaker 1: to be more expensive, mostly of turkey. Now, why is

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Speaker 1: turkey going to be more expensive? Well, because turkeys are

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Speaker 1: fed corn. And why is corn more expensive because of

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Speaker 1: two things. China needs a ton of corn in order

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Speaker 1: to feed all of these new hogs so that it

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Speaker 1: can keep up with an explosion in domestic hog production,

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Speaker 1: and South America needs corn because of that drought that

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Speaker 1: I just mentioned. All of this has led to an

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Speaker 1: increase in the price of corn by fifty percent, And

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Speaker 1: I have bad news for all of you. Turkey is

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Speaker 1: not the only factory farm meat that eats corn. Pretty

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Speaker 1: much everything eats corn. So are beginning to understand what's

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Speaker 1: happening here. The price of food is increasing because of

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Speaker 1: a confluence of terrible events. If I were to appoint

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Speaker 1: to a single thing that is causing inflation in food today,

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Speaker 1: it is globalization and a lack of resiliency in the

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Speaker 1: American agric cultural system. Why should a cold shortage in

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Speaker 1: China screw Europe, which should in turn screw our fertilizer prices,

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01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: which leads to you paying more for food. Why should

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01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 1: a drought in Brazil spike our core prices and then

1142
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: screw up our Thanksgiving? The weakness of our system today

1143
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: is one that was sold to us on the myth

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Speaker 1: of convenience. It has pretty much nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: government spending and a whole lot more to do with

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Speaker 1: the people who designed our system to be fragile but cheap.

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Speaker 1: So when you see someone talking about food inflation, ask

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Speaker 1: them what they want to do about it. If the

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Speaker 1: answer is it make more America resilient than they are

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01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: clowns and they don't know what the hell they are

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Speaker 1: talking about. You know, it's interesting, Crystal, when you start

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Speaker 1: to go down the food chain. I mean, I hate

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Speaker 1: the idea that food is a business, but it's a business, right,

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Speaker 1: and so like all businesses. One more thing, I promise.

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Speaker 1: Just wanted to make sure you knew about my podcast

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Speaker 1: with Kyle Kolinski. It's called Crystal, Kyle and Friends, where

1157
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 1: we do long interviews with people like Noam Chomsky, Cornell West,

1158
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Speaker 1: and Glenn Greenwald. You can listen on any podcast platform,

1159
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: or you can subscribe over on substack to get the

1160
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Speaker 1: video a day early. We're going to stop bugging you

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Speaker 1: now enjoy Crystal. What are you taking a look at? Well,

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Speaker 1: it's a banner week for the Biden administration, committing and

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01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: also permitting grave crimes of injustice with huge implications for

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Speaker 1: the future of our democracy. This is really about all

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Speaker 1: of us here, guys. In the same week, they are

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Speaker 1: continuing the prosecution of Julian Assange while also allowing Stephen

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Speaker 1: Donziger to be jailed in what is effectively a corporate prosecution. First,

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Speaker 1: let's start with as Songe. We're going to be talking

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Speaker 1: to Julian's brother, Gabriel Shipton shortly about the US government's

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Speaker 1: ongoing appeal as they seek to extradite Julian so that

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Speaker 1: he can be tried for the crime of doing journalism. Now,

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Speaker 1: the US government, of course, has been out to destroy

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Speaker 1: Assannge ever since he and WikiLeaks revealed war crimes being

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Speaker 1: committed and covered up by our government. It all started

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Speaker 1: with this video and warning that this is extremely graphic,

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Speaker 1: this is collateral murder, and it showed US soldiers indiscriminately

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Speaker 1: killing civilians, casually celebrating it like it was a video game.

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Speaker 1: Those targeted included two Reuters journalists who were killed, also

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Speaker 1: two children who were wounded. Now, the official line from

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Speaker 1: the army was that the dead were largely insurgents and

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Speaker 1: that the Reuters employees were killed in the crossfire. Even

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Speaker 1: after a Reuter's Foyer request, however, the government refused to

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Speaker 1: release the video of the incident. Massanje exposed their lives,

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Speaker 1: showing that what actually occurred was mass murder. The soldiers

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01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 1: involved they were never tried for their crimes. The leadership

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Speaker 1: that lied to the public over this and many other incidents,

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01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: not to mention lying US into that war in the

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Speaker 1: first place, we all know they never faced consequences. Instead,

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Speaker 1: it's Assange, the guy who revealed the truth, who has

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Speaker 1: had his life systematically destroyed. The Obama administration they engage

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Speaker 1: in aggressive surveillance of Assage, but they didn't prosecute him

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Speaker 1: because they couldn't figure out how to do it without

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Speaker 1: criminalizing all of journalism. The Trump DOJ they had no

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Speaker 1: such qualms. Led by Bill Barr, they decided to prosecute

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Speaker 1: Assange and they've been seeking his extradition from the UK

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Speaker 1: ever since. This was after the Trump's CIA, by the way,

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Speaker 1: considered and discarded plots to assassinate Assange. The Biden DOJ

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Speaker 1: under Merrick Garland, they have decided to continue that Trump prosecution,

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Speaker 1: and they're even taking it a step further. After court

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Speaker 1: in the UK denied the US government's extradition request, they

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Speaker 1: decided to continue to press the case, filing an appeal

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Speaker 1: which is being argued in court right now now. Fassans

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Speaker 1: found guilty, ultimately in the US, he could face a

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Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy five year sentence. Gabe shipped and

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Speaker 1: again is going to give us all the details of

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Speaker 1: what is happening right now without appeal. This is the

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Speaker 1: gravest threat to press freedom in the world. In the

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Speaker 1: US media, so smug, so self righteous over Trump's press insults,

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Speaker 1: they have barely a word to say about any of this.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like they don't actually care about press freedom,

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Speaker 1: but only their own power and access. But that is

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Speaker 1: not the only grave injustice being committed this week by

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Speaker 1: the US government, not even close. We've previously brought you

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Speaker 1: the story of Stephen Donziger. Donziger is that human rights

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Speaker 1: lawyer who's been prosecuted for the crime of winning a

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Speaker 1: landmark case against Chevron for their atrocities against the indigenous

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Speaker 1: people of Ecuador. Let me just give a little refresher

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Speaker 1: of the outlines of his story. Donziger won a nine

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Speaker 1: point five billion dollar judgment against Chevron on behalf of

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Speaker 1: his clients, Ecuadorians whose lives had been destroyed and in

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Speaker 1: some cases ended, thanks to that oil giant's want in

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Speaker 1: disregard for the law and for human life. Instead of

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Speaker 1: expressing contrition, paying up and reforming their ways, the company

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Speaker 1: decided they would not pay a cent of that judgment

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Speaker 1: and would instead seek to make an example out of

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Speaker 1: Donziger so that no lawyer would ever want to come

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Speaker 1: after them again. Chevron found few friendly judges and sought,

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Speaker 1: in their own words to quote demonize Donziger. Frankly, it's

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Speaker 1: worked on a bogus contempt of court charge. They have

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Speaker 1: gotten him disbarred, they have kept him in home confinement

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Speaker 1: for more than two years. The case was so flimsy

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Speaker 1: that US prosecutors, with the Southern District of New York,

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Speaker 1: they were few us to take it up. Instead, in

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Speaker 1: an extraordinarily likely illegal maneuver, the court brought in Chevron

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Speaker 1: connected prosecutors to continue this crusade. Now this is not

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Speaker 1: just my interpretation of events either. Both the UN and

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Speaker 1: Amnesty International have called on Donziger to be released, as

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Speaker 1: his prosecution and lengthy home confinement violates international law against

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Speaker 1: arbitrary detention. The UN demanded Donziger be paid reparations for

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Speaker 1: his illegal treatment. Instead, the latest Chevron connected judge sentenced

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Speaker 1: him to an additional six months in prison. That is

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Speaker 1: on top of the years that he has already served

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Speaker 1: in a lengthy Dia Tribe at sentencing that judge, Judge

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Speaker 1: Prescas said of Donziger that quote, it seems that only

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Speaker 1: the proverbial two by four between the eyes will instill

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Speaker 1: in him any respect for the law. This week, Donziger's

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Speaker 1: appeal was denied, and yesterday he was sent to a

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Speaker 1: federal prison to serve out his six month term. All

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Speaker 1: of this for a trivial contempt of court charge for

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Speaker 1: which no lawyer has ever spent a single day in prison.

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01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: They have ruined this man's life. They've denied him of

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Speaker 1: his freedom for years now, right as his son was

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01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 1: growing up, stripped him of his livelihood. Just compare that,

1254
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Speaker 1: for example, to the Sweetheart deal. Pedophile sex trafficker Jeffrey

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01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,799
Speaker 1: Epstein got down in Florida thirteen months on work release,

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01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: relaxing it as Palm Beach office. But of course Epstein

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Speaker 1: was connected to the powerful. Donziger was challenging the powerful,

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Speaker 1: just as in the case of Assange. It is not

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Speaker 1: the people who committed the crimes, who killed the civilians,

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Speaker 1: who polluted the rainforest, who gave people cancer, They're not

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Speaker 1: the ones who are held accountable. Instead, it's those working

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Speaker 1: to expose those crimes and bring actual justice, and let's

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Speaker 1: not leave it vague as to who is responsible right

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Speaker 1: now in this moment. It is Joe Biden, and it

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Speaker 1: is Attorney General Merrick Garland. They could end this nightmare

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Speaker 1: for Julian Assange and Stephen Donziger today. Please call Merrick Garland.

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Speaker 1: I'll put the phone number in the description. Demand Donziger's release,

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Speaker 1: Demand the charges against Assange be dropped, Demand actual justice.

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Speaker 1: And with Gabe Shipton about to join us, I also

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Speaker 1: want to say, please don't forget that aside from the

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Speaker 1: societal injustice here, these are real human beings. They have families,

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Speaker 1: they have people who love them, people who miss them dearly.

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Speaker 1: The pain that has been caused these people is a

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Speaker 1: reprehensible moral outrage in and of itself, but it truly

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Speaker 1: is a crime against all of us, all of us

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Speaker 1: who depend on a free press, who want to live

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Speaker 1: in a society where the powerful actual efface accountability for

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Speaker 1: their crimes, where you don't have a two tiered system

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Speaker 1: of justice, where the justice system is not just another

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Speaker 1: arm of our corporatetocracy. And shame on the media for

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01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 1: relentlessly caring water for the powerful by consistently ignoring all

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Speaker 1: of their greatest crimes. And look, it all really came

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Speaker 1: to a head this week with both Assange and Donziger.

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Speaker 1: Donziger posted, now we have Julian Assange's brother, Gabriel Shipton

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Speaker 1: here to give us an update. Great to see Gabriel.

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Speaker 1: To see Gabriel. Yes, it's good to be here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thanks for taking the time. I know this is an

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Speaker 1: extraordinarly difficult week for you and your family. Could you

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Speaker 1: just bring us up to speed with what is happening

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Speaker 1: this week in the courtroom, and in particular there's a

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Speaker 1: question of why Julian wasn't present himself for the proceedings.

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Speaker 1: Could you clear that piece up for us too. Sure? So.

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Speaker 1: In January this year, Julian one his extradition hearing that

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Speaker 1: the magistrate rejected the extradition requested by the US prosecutors

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Speaker 1: US prosecution. This was still during the Trump period, and

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Speaker 1: now we have the appeal hearing which is two days

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty eighth. The appeal hearing is based on, you know,

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Speaker 1: some assurances that have been given by the US prosecutors

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Speaker 1: that Julian won't be held under SAMs or go to

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Speaker 1: ADX Florence, Colorado, prison, and then he'll be able to

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Speaker 1: serve his sentence in Australia once he's convicted. But all

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Speaker 1: these assurances have caveats to them. You know, at any time,

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Speaker 1: if Julian's seen as a communicating national security secrets or

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Speaker 1: any sort of risk like that, he be put straight

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Speaker 1: into SAMs or move to prisons instantly, and serving his

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01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: time in Australia will only come once he has gone

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Speaker 1: through the entire core process. So potentially two years more

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Speaker 1: of the extradition proceedings in the UK, and then up

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Speaker 1: to ten years you know, all the way to the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court in the US. So he could be potentially

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Speaker 1: be sixty two by the time he's serving his sentence

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Speaker 1: back in Australia. Wow. And so with the developments here

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Speaker 1: that he could be up to sixty two. Gabriel, what

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Speaker 1: are the different avenues on which this might end? Do

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01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 1: you have any hope, in other words, outside of the

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01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 1: US government dropping this case? Well, I guess that is

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Speaker 1: the simplest, easiest way if the Biden administration just lets

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Speaker 1: this go. Other than that, you know, it's this extradition

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01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:33,679
Speaker 1: battle that just keeps going and going, and Julian even

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01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:37,799
Speaker 1: his third year of prison. You know, I saw him

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01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 1: over the court video yesterday for the first time in

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Speaker 1: almost a year. I loved for him in October twenty twenty,

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01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: just before the prison went into a COVID lockdown, and

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01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 1: you know, look, I was shocked, like it looked like

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01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 1: in the age like five years. You know, I was

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01:12:56,200 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 1: just taken aback at his appearance and his manner in

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01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 1: that in that small room that he was in at

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Speaker 1: that Belmsh bel Mush prison. I think it's important for

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Speaker 1: people to understand too, as you're laying out the reason

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Speaker 1: extradition was denied to start with was not because they

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01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 1: rejected the US government's case at large. They said that

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Speaker 1: they were worried about Julian's mental health and that he

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01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 1: would be at extreme risk of suicide. So in light

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Speaker 1: of that, you know, what are you seeing in terms

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Speaker 1: of his mental health and what are his attorneys arguing

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Speaker 1: with regards to his mental health. Well, so in this next,

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Speaker 1: in this next, in this current appeal, there there's some

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Speaker 1: waiting of evidence of psychiatric evidence that the US prosecuted has.

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01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 1: You know, are appealing the waiting given to to the

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Speaker 1: to it by the judge. But I think you know,

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01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 1: it's the thing is this case is just last week

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01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 1: there was a coalition of twenty five press freedom organizations,

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Speaker 1: you know, made up of the ACLU and the City International,

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01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: Human Rights Watch, Freedom of the Press Foundation who all

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01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 1: called on this case to be dropped, called, you know,

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01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 1: center letters to Meeric Galen and said this is, you know,

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01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 1: a massive threat to press freedom. So it's sort of

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01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 1: just bizarre that this case is still going on in

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01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: a court in the UK and we're talking about you know,

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01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 1: Julian's mental health, and we're talking about you know, prison

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01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 1: conditions in the US. So you know, I think it's

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01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 1: just really really bizarre that you know, everybody knows this

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01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 1: case is a huge press a huge threat to press freedom,

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01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: but it continues on. So you know the only thing

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01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 1: that we can sort of conclude is that it's a

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01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:58,839
Speaker 1: punishment by process to Julian. You know, he's on remand

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01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: his innocent, he hasn't been convicted of anything, and he's

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01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 1: been in jail now for coming up to three years.

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Speaker 1: Have you had any interactions directly with the Biden administration.

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01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 1: Have they said anything that has either given you hope

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01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:18,719
Speaker 1: or been discouraging. I think, you know, what's very interesting

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01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 1: about the Biden administration is what they haven't been saying.

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01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 1: They haven't been supporting this case at all. They are

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01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 1: sort of you know, every time they're asked about it,

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01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:32,720
Speaker 1: it gets deflected to the DOJ. So, you know, the

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01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 1: line is, you know, we're under this administration. The DOJ

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01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 1: is independent and makes their own independent decisions. You know,

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01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 1: Blincoln was asked about it in Paris, he deflected to

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01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,640
Speaker 1: the DOJ. Jen Psaki's been asked multiple times about this

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01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 1: case and it gets deflected, which is a very big

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01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,560
Speaker 1: change of position. Under the Trump administration. You know, you

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01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 1: had people like Mike Pompeo when he was head of

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01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 1: the CIA, coming out and saying, you know, a war

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01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 1: on wiki leaks, declaring wiki leaks and non state hostile

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01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 1: intelligence agency, which allowed them to sort of treat wiki

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01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 1: leaks as say they would the Iranian Intelligence Agency or

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01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 1: the Russian Intelligence Agency. You know, they were able to

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01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: make plans and put together plans, you know, without congressional

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01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:28,839
Speaker 1: oversight to you know, I assume you've seen the Yahoo

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01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 1: News story where those plans, you know, came out over

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01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: thirty sources confirming plants from within the CIA to kidnapp

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01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 1: Julian to murder Julian. I think you know what we've

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01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 1: seen with this case now is you know, those plans

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01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 1: they still exist, but they've sort of been put in place,

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01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 1: you know, through this vale of legality in a judicial way.

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01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: You know, Julian was taken from his refuge in the

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01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 1: Ecuadorian embassy, which was exactly what the CIA had planned

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01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 1: to do. They wanted to kidnap him. But now they've

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01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 1: done it, They've managed to do it judicially. I think

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Speaker 1: that's really well said. I know, Gabriel that you and

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01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 1: your father have also been working on a film tracking

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01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 1: your struggle to free Julian. Let's take a look at

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01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 1: a little bit of that. Can we talk about your

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01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: contact with Julian through his child as part of the story.

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01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 1: It isn't part of the story. The story is that,

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01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 1: you know, I am attempting, in my own modest way

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01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 1: to get Julian out of the ship. You can hear

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01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: all of our time he was the lab All of

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01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,560
Speaker 1: a sudden he's a puppet of Russia. My name is

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01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 1: John Shift and I'm Julian Lossanele's father. Weekly expound that

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01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 1: Julian Massan has been arrested one of the most notorious

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01:17:55,840 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 1: and controversial figures that you're custody signs we'll remain behind

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01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 1: bars until that extradition hearing, which has been set down

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01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 1: to the end of February. I urged the Department of

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01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 1: Justice to drop the charges the maximum jail sentence of

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01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy five years because he published the tuits.

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01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:20,719
Speaker 1: How does it feel to be the father of such

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01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 1: a controversial figure. He's not known around the world for yeah, yeah,

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01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:33,520
Speaker 1: what are you talking about on it on a regular basis.

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01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,639
Speaker 1: If Julia is extraducted to the United States to face

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01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 1: these charges, he will be the first, but not the

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01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:49,599
Speaker 1: last those It just collapses under astray. It looks as

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01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: though what juries do for a living. It seemed to

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01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 1: be in consiminal act. So tell us a little bit

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Speaker 1: more about the film, and then, also, Gabriel, you would

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01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:02,879
Speaker 1: for people who who care about this case, which, frankly

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01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 1: I think everyone should, everyone who cares about press freedom,

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01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 1: but also has compassion for the pain that your family

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01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 1: has suffered. Here, what do you want them to do today?

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01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 1: So the film's premiery next week at the Sydney Film

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01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 1: Festival in Australia. You know, I think it's we're trying

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01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 1: to tell the personal side. There's the story behind the headlines.

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01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 1: You know, everybody knows Julian, you know how they read

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01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:34,680
Speaker 1: about him in the newspapers or or through you know,

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01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 1: through that lens. So we're just trying to tell a

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01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 1: human side to the story that really hasn't been told before.

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01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 1: What I usually get people to do, you know, I

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01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 1: think and has been quite successful is contact their representatives,

1429
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 1: you know, put together localized petitions or district petitions. Get

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01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 1: people together, sign on that, you know, to take to

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01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: your congress. People you care about this case, You care

1432
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 1: about the repercussions for christ freedoms in the First Amendment

1433
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: that this case poses. Direct Action is always, you know,

1434
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 1: always good. You can go to a Science Defense dot org.

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01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 1: There are protests happening across the United States all the time,

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01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 1: and you know there's nothing like direct action, getting out

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01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 1: on the streets and you know, letting your voice be heard. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: we will have links down there in the description on

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01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 1: the film. Chris and I you know, wish the best

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01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 1: and we hope encourage people to get involved here. So

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01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:36,600
Speaker 1: thank you, Gabriel, really appreciate you joining us. We'll be

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01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 1: watching closely. Gabriel, thank you so much. We're so grateful,

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