1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, it's could happen here. All right, Well 2 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: that's the introduction. I'm Robert Evans and my work's done 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: for today. Chris, Yeah, it's me, it's Christopher. We are 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: We are back with two more stories of rape, torture, 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: and murder from the Chicago Police Department un show we have. Yeah, 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: well you know, okay, this one, this, this one will 7 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 1: be more fun than last time because okay, so basically 8 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: since since I started showing up on this show, I 9 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: have made a case. I have been dropping references at 10 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: the fact that the Chicago Police Department is literally a cartel, 11 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: and today I am finally telling the story of how 12 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: this is a little unfair to But yeah, also also 13 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: I didn't mention this before we go win. There's also 14 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: a bonus cartel because while I was doing research on 15 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: one of the cartels, I realized that I couldn't actually 16 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,319 Speaker 1: talk about it without talking about the other cartel. So 17 00:00:55,440 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: there's two. There are two completely unrelated CPD carte else 18 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: that are will show up in this story. Uh yeah, 19 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: it's great. So all right, this is the story of 20 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: Ronald Watts. Now, Ronald Watts joined the CPD in n 21 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: after serving in the army, making him yet another example 22 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: of the fabled troop cop combination that produces the worst 23 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: people on earth. Um, what Watts was assigned to patrol 24 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: Chicago's old public housing like projects now wants is from 25 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:33,199 Speaker 1: housing himself. Um, there's okay. So some of the people 26 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: who knew him before he went into the police claimed that, 27 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: like he was just always like a drug ular and 28 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: that he went into the police too, like drug deal more. 29 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true, because I mean, he's 30 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: also in the army for a while, so I I 31 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: don't know, it's sort of unclear. But you know, he's 32 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: for the projects. He knows the ter reign well, and 33 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: that's why he was an extremely effective agent of terror 34 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: in a place where officers would regularly drive by blasting 35 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: the N word and other ray slurs out of their 36 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: cop car speakers. Uh yeah, here, here, here's the intercept 37 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: describing what like Chicago cops are just doing at the projects. 38 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: They were officers who found it amusing to toy with 39 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: those under their power, arranging the foot race of heroin. 40 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: Addics determined who would go to jail, for example, or 41 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: forcing a woman they had searched on the street to 42 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: walk home naked from the waist down. It's yeah, people 43 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: who find joint exerting their power over other people and 44 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: they think it's funny. Yeah, why they become cops. Yep. Well, 45 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: and you know, and the other reason to become a 46 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: cop is is the the second thing that they do constantly, 47 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: which is they just walk into the lobbies of these 48 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: buildings just start taking everyone's money. And like they literally 49 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: call the lobbies of the public housing buildings like quote 50 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: their ATM machine. So they're just doing this constantly. There's 51 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: also cops and this is not every cop that they're 52 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: specific cops you do this who would show up on 53 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: the first and the fifteenth of the month, wait for 54 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: everyone to catch their paychecks and then rob them. And 55 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: you know, the thing I think is important about this 56 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: is that, Okay, so like WATS and like the specific 57 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: cartels do this, but this isn't just WATS. This is like, 58 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: this is everyone who's working at these projects is just 59 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: walking up like to like the poorest people in Chicago 60 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: and just robbing them constantly. Um yeah, like this is 61 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: this is you know, this this is just how regular 62 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: policing works. And the elite units are even worse. So 63 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: Cartel number one or I guess, I guess you're talking 64 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: about Choo since we've introduced wats. But so, there used 65 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: to be an elite unit in the Chicago Police Force 66 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: called the Special Operations Section or s OS. And these guys, 67 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: these guys are different because they you know, they're they're 68 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: they're not attached to like an area or certificate. You know, 69 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: they're they're just completely their own thing. They're just like 70 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: they're the Special Response Team. And s OS would just 71 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: go into projects and just ransacked the entire building, like 72 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: they would go room by room like taking people's stuff 73 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: and just looting it and then just like walking out. 74 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: And you know, it's not even like there's not just 75 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: that they're taking cash, like they're taking TVs. And I 76 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: mean the thing that the thing the thing you if 77 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: when you when you re interview some people who lived 78 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: through this, like they're not just taking like stuff that's 79 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: like you know, let's use that are expensive there, they'll 80 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: take people's like lamps, like they're just walk out with 81 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: anything like literally anything they can sell um. And you 82 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: know again like these are these are the people living 83 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: in these projects are like huge like a lot and 84 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: a lot of these protures literally like segregation era, right, 85 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: and so they're they're almost entirely black, and they're just 86 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: taking like they're just getting robbed, but constantly by both 87 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: regular cops and special Operations section. And there's not even like, 88 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: you know, like cops nowadays have like they have like 89 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: civil ascid forfature where there's this like pseudo legal framework 90 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: and no, no no, this's like they're not even this is 91 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: the nights, They're not even doing that. They're just literally 92 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: walking in and robbing these people at gunpoint. Um. S 93 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: OS like they eventually get shut down sales in seven 94 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: after so there's a series of scandles about them. They 95 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: they steal like hundreds of thousands of dollars and people, 96 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: they do shape downs with drug dealers, they start kidnapping people. Um. 97 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: At one point in s OS, dude like tried to 98 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: hire his cowork here to do a hit on someone 99 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: who was like going to report them to the Feds. 100 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: And yeah, but s OS isn't the main story today 101 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: because Watts is writing is running an even larger version 102 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 1: of this operation. Um, and you know, well I's always 103 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: researching this. I had the realization that like So I've 104 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: talked to people in Chicago about like the CpG Cartel's right, 105 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: And I had the realization that there are conversations that 106 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: I have people where we've been, we've both been talking 107 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: about different ones, and we both we both thought we 108 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: were talking about this. Like I've had people talking backwards like, oh, 109 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: they were talking about I was like, no, no no, I 110 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: met the Watts one. It's it's it's great. It's love 111 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: love our institutionalized just robbery system. Yeah. So the other 112 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: thing I want to mention because so the intercepted like 113 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: really good, like four like huge four part series on 114 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: on the Watts, uh like cartel. But I think it's 115 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: worth mentioning that, like even you know, there's to quote 116 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: unquote good cops who like go after wats And for 117 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: years and they've let you bring him down. But like 118 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: even those cops are doing things that are objectively horrifying. 119 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: Like most of the actual cop work in this story 120 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: is done by is literally just the good cops. Like 121 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: they know a homeless guy they called Chewbaka who they 122 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,799 Speaker 1: paid to be an informant in like blankets, sleeping bags 123 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: and food and like it's like it should be fair 124 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: Chebaca like genuinely like likes the two of them. But 125 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: Cheubaca is the guy who does all of the work here, 126 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: like what Wastz gets like like he's the guy who's 127 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: like wearing the wire. He's the guy who knows everything 128 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: the cops. The cops don't know anything, and Chibaka has 129 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: known that everything that was going on from the beginning. 130 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: They just don't ask him for years. But like in 131 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: Chebaca like goes to prison at one point because Wats Okay, 132 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: so what Watson wats is just like a drug dealer, right, 133 00:06:55,720 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: um so wants and uh so, so Chebaca would like 134 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: you know, he he was like he was like a 135 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: sort of low level like runner. Right, you'd get a bag, 136 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: you'd like move it sometimes. And one time in watch 137 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: all these new informations, So one time, like Watts was 138 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: like trying to get information on where a drug stash 139 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: was so we could rob it and then like well 140 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: down so he could do a police raid on it 141 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,239 Speaker 1: and then take the drugs and sell them. And Chebaca 142 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: just like didn't know. So what's just like through be 143 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: in prison for two years and it's just like you 144 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: know this this this time will happens constantly that there 145 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: are so many people who are just you know, like 146 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: people try to survive in the city. And then oh, hey, 147 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: you don't have the exact specific information that this cop 148 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: wants on this drug thing, so we're just gonna send 149 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: you to prison for two years. And Chebacca, who like 150 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: risks his life wearing a wire and brings down one 151 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: of the biggest cartels in the CPD, as best I 152 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: can tell, is still living on the street because the 153 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: society is just broken in ways that like are difficult 154 00:07:53,920 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: to comprehend and incredibly bleak. Yeah m hmm. Yeah. So okay, 155 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: back to Watch this operation. Watts has this thing called 156 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: the Watts Tax, and the watch tex is if you 157 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: run drugs, you pay the tax to Watts and this 158 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: this tax gives you production from the police. If if if 159 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: you don't pay the Watch tax, the cops show up, 160 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: they put you in prison, they take all your cash, 161 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: they raise your drugs, and then Watch resolves your drugs 162 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: that are profit I mean that is like objectively, that 163 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: is a decent grift, like in terms of it's pretty 164 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: good in logistical plans, like yeah, okay, I can I 165 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: can see how how this would actually be very profitable. Yeah, 166 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: it's genius and like and and and the other thing 167 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: about these taxes, like these taxes are enormous amounts of money, 168 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: like if if so if if. If you're running a 169 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: drug that's like, okay, so you have a drug that 170 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: you move and the drugs I've ran drugs for thirty years, 171 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, so the tax for the for that 172 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: single drug can be as high as fifty dollars a week. 173 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: So he is he is making a lot of money, 174 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: so much money, just an incomprehensible amount of money off 175 00:08:55,840 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: of this. I would have to become coughs. I have 176 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: an idea for a pivot doing in the cartel pivot. 177 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: This is how we give this is how we get 178 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: funded by this in a lower cartel. And we've always 179 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: been a cartel, but that's well, when we moved from 180 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: podcasting into drugs, we can partner with our friends at 181 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: the scene a lower cartel. Yeah, would be great. Eventually, 182 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: there's a guy named Big Shorty who's another like sort 183 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: of player in the scene. And so yeah, all the 184 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: people in this name of the Stall of great names. Yeah, 185 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: it's great. So Big Shorty is like, I'm not paying 186 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: like fifty k a week per drug to do this anymore, 187 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the FEDS and so so be short, 188 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: like he threatens to go to the FESS and he 189 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: goes to the d A and then like a couple 190 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: of days later, she's gunned down the street by yeah 191 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: you never yeah no, like yeah, well if you do, 192 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: you have to make sure they like disappear you because uh, 193 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: you never threaten it, like that's the yah, yeah, yeah 194 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: you don't. Yea. These worlds you mentioned, like cops and 195 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,599 Speaker 1: going to in any combination, and everyone around you just like, 196 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: all right, well this person's got to be dead. That's 197 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 1: just how that's gotta go. Yeah, it's it's not it's 198 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: not the best move I've ever seen. It's yeah, so 199 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 1: you know. And and this is when, this is when 200 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: the cops, the two cops are gonna bring watch down, 201 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: like actually started to take notice because literally for years, 202 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're all sorry about this, like people 203 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: they'd be locking people up and people would say things 204 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: like why are you going after me for two bags? 205 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: And Watts is running the dope and just no one 206 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: believes them. Like the cops are being told constantly for 207 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: years like that. The cops who aren't in on the 208 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: on the inn I being told literally for years that 209 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: that this whole thing is you know that that Oh yeah, well, 210 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: why why are you bothering me? Watches running this operation? 211 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: They don't believe them, and they don't they don't believe 212 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: them basically until Big Shorty gets shot because when when 213 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: Big short he goes down like another they get another 214 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: guy who's like pretty big in the scene and the 215 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: guy's like, oh, yeah, no, he got shot by Wats 216 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: and they're like, wait, hold on now. The cops go 217 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: to the FBI, and the FBI, it turns out, has 218 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: been trying and failing to put again put together a 219 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: case against Watts for so long that like they're on 220 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: there like second like agent who they've had in charge 221 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: of the case because the first guy like I just 222 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: could do it and laugh. And so they had another 223 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: guy and almost immediately after this, uh, there's there's another guy. 224 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: There's another dealer named Fears who he has this Fierce 225 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: has this great grift which is like all of his 226 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 1: people wear Obama shirts just like just like eight but 227 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: he doesn't know, doesn't seven or something? But yeah, so 228 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 1: like that all all the people doing this thing, they 229 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: wear Obama shirts and they call the drugs like Obama. 230 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: And so when everyone they had their lines called Hope 231 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: so and like this this this actually works on the FBI, 232 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: Like the FBI doesn't understand that they're running drugs because 233 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: they think that they're that like all the Messa references 234 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: of Obama are just like they're talking about like Obama. 235 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, there's there's so many, there's so many 236 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: great like FBI weird incompetences to the story like that. 237 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: There's one point where the cops are going through the 238 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: documents and they see the word they see Lou, and 239 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: it's just a lose a short for lieutenant, right, But 240 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: the FBI thinks that Lou is like a name, and 241 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: so they're kind of tracked down this guy named Lou, 242 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 1: which is just it's it's ah's just baffling, incredible and 243 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: coms never thrilled when they have to investigate cops. Yeah, yeah, 244 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 1: even though it is literally their job. Yep. But hey, 245 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 1: I hate doing my job too, so please continue, Chris 246 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: So So that fears guy who choose doing the Obama thing, 247 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: like take seventeen rounds to the chest, and so the 248 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 1: FBI round to take to the chest. Yeah, that's a lot, 249 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's interesting number two right because like 250 00:12:54,880 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: like cfcult significance. Guess yeah. What would also like like 251 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: is did they like reload Like do they have a 252 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: gun that has seventeen round man? Yeah? No, no, no no, 253 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: there's yeah, there's that's not that's not is it is 254 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,719 Speaker 1: it like a handgun or is it a rifle? I 255 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: think it's a handgun, yeah, or like Baltimore people with 256 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: handguns block seventeens have seventeen round magazines. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. 257 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: So so after this, the FBI investigation intensifies, and so 258 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: the FBI goes to the Internal Affairs Division or i 259 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: a D, who are like the most hated cops of 260 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: all cops by other cops because there're people who are 261 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: supposed investigate the police and you know, so so they 262 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:42,719 Speaker 1: tell that you guys who are going after watch, they're 263 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: going to be protected. And this works for like a year, 264 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: and then the head of a I D changes and 265 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: it's like a cop cop guy instead of so they 266 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: had this like they brought an FBI guy who had 267 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: been had of a D. And that he gets kicked 268 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: out and they bring in like a cop, and that 269 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: cop just immediately tells literally everyone that that the two 270 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: cops are running an investigation against Watts, and so uh 271 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: do they die with the next few months there studdingly no. 272 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: I as best I can tell, Watts seemed to have 273 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: thought that like they wouldn't just wouldn't be able to 274 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: get him because anti mus protection which worked for a while. 275 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: Um yeah, it's yeah, he has a lot of power. Yeah. Well, 276 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: and also, I mean the other thing about this is 277 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: she just like his stuff, starts getting wilder. So he 278 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: goes after this guy. He tries to go after the 279 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: drugs of this guy named Monk, and like Muk is 280 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: carrying a bunch of drugs's trying to He's trying to 281 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: rob bunk Um from the intercept a wild car chase 282 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: and suited on the Dan Ryan Expressway like sure Drive 283 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: and ultimately into the Hyde Park neighborhood, where Monk lost 284 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: control of the car and crashed in a park. He 285 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: fled on foot. Watson his team seized the dope in cash. 286 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: They didn't even check on the condition of the women 287 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: and infant who remained in the car, which is great. 288 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: And also that's that's standard. That that's that that's like 289 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: standard CPD procedure. I have literally seen this happen like 290 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: in Hyde Park, like I have there when I was 291 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: in college. I almost got run over in a seat, 292 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: Like the CPD almost ran me over in this like 293 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: car chase that went bad and this giant multi car 294 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: crash and like there's like sixteen cops, right, they all 295 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: just run past the car crash after you guys are 296 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: chasing and like I have to go make sure no 297 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: one died. And I was like, I, this is great. 298 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: You have just almost murdered me. And then also you're 299 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: not checking on all of these people in this carven 300 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: into wreck. I I hate the CPD. I hate them 301 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: a lot. This took this sound? This sound nice? Yeah, 302 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: it's great there there. Yeah, this just happens like all 303 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: the time, like often enough that like literally in the 304 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: same place like all of these big because you've got 305 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: like a few really big shitty big city police departments. 306 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: You've got your l A p D. You're in yp D, 307 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: You've got your Chicago Police Department. By god, you've got St. 308 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: Louis cops, and they're all they're all shitty and simultaneously 309 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: the same in different ways. Like they're there, it's the 310 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: same basic idea. It's brutality, it's violence, it's robbery. Um, 311 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: but they they find unique ways to do those shitty things, 312 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: which is fascinating. Yeah. Like if I always like like 313 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: the NYPDS, like they're big thing is if you get 314 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: a large number of people together, the NYPD is just 315 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: going to annihilate you, like l A p D has 316 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: like the Nazi gangs. CPD thing, CPDS thing just seems 317 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: to be crime. CPD just torture. It's torture and yeah St. 318 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: Louis Police Department will attack you with dogs if you're 319 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: not a white person. Like, yeah, they've all got they've 320 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: they've they've they've chosen their cops subclass. Yeah now okay, 321 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: so but back in the investigation, the two cops in 322 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: investigating Watts are like even so basically all the researchers 323 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: get cut off. It's literally just them to watch. Note 324 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: like basically knows that he's they're coming from them, and 325 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: they almost get him anyways because cops are just not 326 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: very smart, um, and you know they're about to get 327 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: him on a sting for drug running. And then right 328 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: before like, look, I think it's like the day of 329 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: that they're running the sting, they suddenly get like transferred 330 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: to the police academy and they basically just like get 331 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: detained in this police academy for like weeks, and it's 332 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: it's purely weird, and eventually, like and you know that 333 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: this is when like everything just completely comes apart with 334 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: the liaison between the CPD and the FBI literally tells 335 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: them they can't move on the case because if they 336 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 1: move on the case, it's going to reveal that Watts 337 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: murdered a dude, because well they so they don't have 338 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: good evidence some big shorty, but they have they have 339 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: evidence that they have good evidence that he killed Fears 340 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: and uh, and the head of Internal affairs basically tells 341 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: them like, yeah, like I won't do anything about Watts 342 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: because it comes out that another CPD unit had gone 343 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,479 Speaker 1: rogue after s OS, I'll be done for so I'm 344 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: just gonna cover for them. The second cartel is too much. 345 00:17:54,840 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: Only one cartels, It's great, Um, I can excuse is 346 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: one cartel, but I tried the line too, but once 347 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: she hit four cartels, we're back too good, which is 348 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: why I am such a big fan of the Los 349 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: Angeles Police Department. It's great. Look you got it, you got, 350 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: you got you just you just gotta get over the 351 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: cartel hump. And once you're over, Yeah you got, it's 352 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: like it's like growing out your your hair. Right, there's 353 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: gonna be that period where it looks really awkward. That's when. 354 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 1: That's when you've got two cartels, and then you get 355 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: hot at four cartels. Then you're fuckable again. Yeah, it's great. 356 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: So there's an interesting description from one of the two 357 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: cops that I want to read because it gets out 358 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: how the coade of silence works um from the intercept 359 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: he had, she said, this is about the A A D. 360 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: Guy he had, She said made too many deals, there 361 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,239 Speaker 1: by neutralizing his ability to act, attributing her understanding of 362 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: this dynamic largely two conversations with Rivera himself, conversations she 363 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: denied ever occurred. She described him as ensnared in a 364 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: web of mutual blackmail, at which bosses have leverage over 365 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: one another by virtue of their shared knowledge of the 366 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: deals they've made. She gave an example, I'll make the 367 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: cr gets your guy go away if you promote my 368 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: guy within your unit, the code of silence and cloud 369 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: or thus entwined rivera she recalled, once remarked to her 370 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: that the bosses quote trade crs for favors like baseball cards. 371 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, this is this is what the code of 372 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: silence is. It's it's it's an informal code sort of. 373 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: That's also called the thin blue line, which is great. 374 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: Uh yeah that basically it says that costs you know, 375 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: it's that cops will protect the road. But but it's 376 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: more than that. If if, if you, if you cross 377 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: the name blue line and you break the code of silence, 378 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: you will be formally retaliated against by your commanders. And 379 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: when when when I say breaking the code of silence, 380 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: what that means literally is if you take any action 381 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: against another cop, like it literally doesn't like they can 382 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: be torturing people, they could be literally running a cartel, 383 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. If you say anything about them, you 384 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: will be like formally retaliated against by every other cop. 385 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: And so the two cops who are investigating wats like, 386 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: they get arrested by internal affairs. Internal affairs like tries 387 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: to like basically make a fake case against them, and 388 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: they eventually get out. But their you know, their careers 389 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: are over right, because they you know, attempted to like 390 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: do the thing sort of that cops are nominally supposed 391 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: to do and they just immediately get arrested. Um, and 392 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: you know, and they have a lot of other stuff 393 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: happened to them. Like one of the two cops comes 394 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: home to a bell box literally full of ship, with 395 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: a note that says, since you like ship so much, 396 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: thought you'd enjoy this. Yeah, you know what I mean. 397 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: That's fun. That's fun. That should happen more often, just 398 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: that should happen a lot more off other other scenarios. Yeah, yeah, 399 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: it's it sucks that these are the cops that this 400 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: is happening, Like, of all of the this is like 401 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: the only time I like do not approve of like 402 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: sending cops ship like this is this is the wrong 403 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: reason for the wrong reason to center you're canceled. That's 404 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: true that they have probably gotten stuff, have done something. 405 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: I will make sure it's better, it can be safer 406 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: if it's If dogshit is used, then d n K 407 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: is harder to track anyone, you know what, the safest 408 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: ship of all to use. No, I don't panther ship. 409 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: Panther ship, see I can Yeah, I think I p 410 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: I is never going to figure that one out. Yeah, 411 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: I get the technology, get right on I'll get right 412 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, we're gonna go to go collect panther 413 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: ship will be gone for a month. It could be 414 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: their unibomber for like fifteen years. They're trying to track 415 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: down what kind of ship is getting put in people's 416 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: mailboxes until your brother sends them a letter saying I 417 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: know someone who has access to a lot of panther 418 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: ship and grudge tragic tail time, and then you can 419 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: get uh an HBO miniseries where they make you like 420 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: look slightly like you're in a boy band, only slightly. 421 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: It's like you were in a boy band but aged out. Yeah, yeah, 422 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: you were in. So the coat of silence also extends 423 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: a friendly politicians the report. Soon after he came to 424 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: the confidential section, he was given the assignment of investigating 425 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 1: a deputy superintendent. The allegation was at the officer. The 426 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: official lived outside the city. Mills worked on the case 427 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: for months. He concluded the allegation was true. He produced 428 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: a thick file take months. I'm sorry I have to 429 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: take months there cops allowances for the caper of where 430 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: does this guy who works here? Yeah, very funny. Then 431 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: next day the file came back to him. It was marked. 432 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: There was a yellow posted with the handwritten message and 433 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: make it unfounded. So that's fun, awesome, amazing, Yeah, make 434 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: it the cops are cops are a breed of their 435 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: own poetry. Yeah. So actually, there there's a long history 436 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: of like, yeah, politicians do this off the cops all 437 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: the time. Like remember the story right, like rama, Manuel's 438 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: like nephew or something killed a guy in a car 439 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: crash and the CPD he got, Manuel got the CPD 440 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: to just like that, never investigated it. They just were like, 441 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: oh someone died in the car crash and it just 442 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: went away. It's it's real fun. Um. Yeah. So so 443 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: eventually shortly after this sort of those two cops get 444 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: like detained at the police academy. The FBI and the 445 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: in the CPT move on Watson, his partner Mohammed and 446 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: no one else. Interestingly, because again, if you think about 447 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: this for about five seconds, they were an enormous number 448 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: of people who either know about this operation or are 449 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: actively involved in running a fucking drug cartel. That is 450 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: one of the biggest players on the South Side who 451 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: are still just cops. And like the CPD goes after 452 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: exactly two people, there are like dozens of people who 453 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: were actively involved in this who are still cops. Um 454 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: and and you know, and the only real tradition of 455 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: this is that that the FBI and the CPD are complicit, 456 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: which is that you know, I mean, so parts of 457 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: the CPD want to keep doing keep keep running the cartel. 458 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: The FBI is like, both the FBI and the CBD 459 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: also have an interest in keeping this covered up because 460 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,479 Speaker 1: they don't want like, you know, oh hey, look at 461 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: the look at the loss of trust in in in 462 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: law enforcement. It comes out that there were actually two 463 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: cartels running in the same place at the same time, 464 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: parallel to each other, and then we didn't catch them. 465 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: Like yeah, but it's great because literally nothing happens to 466 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: these people. They're still out there, they're still cops. Shit. 467 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, only two people went down for that, and yeah, 468 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: so the cartel is just still there. It's that's good, 469 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: it's still well. It proves that if you put in 470 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: the work, you can really build something that lasts. And 471 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: I think that's a lesson, we all should be inspired 472 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: by pulled yourself up by your uh jack bootstraps and wow, 473 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: yeah that's good stuff. Okay, So so interlude number two. 474 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: On May four six, someone threw a stick of dynamite 475 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: at some cops and Haymarket Square in Chicago tree a 476 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: general strike for the eight hour work day they start did. 477 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: The cops fired wildly into the crowd, and the state 478 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: rounded up a bunch of completely random anarchists who, by 479 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: their own admission, had nothing to do with it, and 480 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: had them executed. Now, the cops, for their part, built 481 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: a statue for the cops at Haymarket. Now, the first 482 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: of these statues were destroyed on May fourth by a 483 00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: guy who is great. So he had he he was like, 484 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: he's a street car driver, right, he had to like 485 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: every single day he had to go past the statue 486 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: of the hammarker cop. And one day he was just 487 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: like no, and he he ran his street car off 488 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 1: of the street. Cards are on rails, right, He random 489 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: off of the rails and rammed it into the statue. 490 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: This guy rules dope. So the costs build another statue, 491 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: and that that second statue was blown up by the 492 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 1: weather underground in October nineteen nine. Uh, the costs make 493 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,479 Speaker 1: another statue, the third statue. He's also blown up by 494 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: the weather underground in October ninety. It was like that 495 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: was less than a year later. Yep. Yeah, and so 496 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: the cost they originally they rebuilt it again, right, and 497 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: originally they have it under like a twenty four hour 498 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: armed guard Jesus and then and then and then. But 499 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: you know, even then they were like, okay, we can't 500 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 1: protect it. So they moved it into an enclosed courtyard 501 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: in the middle of the of Chicago Police Academy because 502 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: they're too cowardly to show it in public. That's good, 503 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: that's a win. That's a win. They ran on everyone 504 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: thinks so much that they have to hide the statue 505 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 1: to the assholes who got killed. Yeah, that's great. One day, 506 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: one day, that fourth statue will follow the first three. 507 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: One day, one day by the mere cosmic forces of 508 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,479 Speaker 1: the universe, by entropy. The force of entropy will one 509 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: day destroyed the statue. Yes, okay, So onto story number four. 510 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: Story number four is Chicago Police Department's black site. So 511 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: the Chicago Police Department has a black site called Home 512 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: and Square. Um so so normally, you know, you go 513 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: to a police station and you get booked, right, they 514 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: book you. They put you into the system. And you know, 515 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: because you're in the system, like you know where um 516 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: like people people can find you, right because you can 517 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: just look someone up. You can look someone up in 518 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: the system. Uh. At Home and Square, they don't book 519 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: people if you just if you go there, you just disappear. 520 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: There's no record of you. Uh, there's no there's no 521 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: way to contact a lawyer if you're in there. Uh, 522 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: your lawyer doesn't know where you are because again there's 523 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: no records of where you are. You've just been grabbed 524 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: off the street and taken to a building. Um. Yeah. 525 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: And and this is a so sto storage people there 526 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: tends to be pretty short. They don't tend to hold 527 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: people longer than a couple of days. But what it's 528 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: therefore is this is this is a confession machine. This 529 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: is the way to force confessions out of people, um, 530 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: by just you know, literally disappearing them, uh and denying 531 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,479 Speaker 1: them access to lawyers or literally anyone knowing where they are, 532 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 1: and then just holding them until they confess. Uh. And 533 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: also yes, so so at Home and Square prisoners are 534 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: are routinely shackled for for hours, like like tens of hours, 535 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: sometimes twenty four hours, beaten, denied phone calls, and robbed constantly. 536 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: This is this is another fun seep at E tradition 537 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: is Yeah, they'll just take you to this black site 538 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: and then rob you and then maybe they release you, 539 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: but you know they've still robbed you. And yes, you 540 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: know they do these beatings. And these beatings are incredibly intense, 541 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: like you know, they're punching people. They're doing like knee 542 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: strikes between elbow strikes. You' hitting people with batons. Sometimes 543 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: they're tassering people. Uh. We we have a report that 544 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: that the cops filed of listening to listen as a 545 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: cop being assaulted. And the thing that they're listening as 546 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: a non it was like like non like fist assault. 547 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: Was the guy spat blood. Yeah, well and they listened 548 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: to that as an assault. Yeah, it's great, it's yeah. 549 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: They also do things like they put like flex cups 550 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: around people's necks torture. Yeah that is yeah, they Yeah, 551 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: that's a way for someone to die. It's almost like 552 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: that's maybe part of the intention is that someone will 553 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: quote accidentally die or we'll get to that. Okay, well, 554 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: so not great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's not it's 555 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: it's bad. There's another guy who Okay, so the cops 556 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: are completely convinced this guy who was completely innocent. I well, okay, 557 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: I do want to say, like I'm gonna say a 558 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: lot of people are in this because they are, but 559 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: also like, even if you're guilty, no one deserves this, 560 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: Like maybe the cops doing it deserve it, but even 561 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: then it's I don't even think they do, Like yeah 562 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: you don't. Yeah, yeah, Like so this guy you might 563 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: knock down a statue or three, but yeah, like you know, 564 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: like it's yeah, it's it's really grim like yeah. So 565 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: they hold this guy's mouth open with a pen, right, 566 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: and then they keep elbowing him in the stomach until 567 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: he throws up. Um. And so she tries to get 568 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: medical attentions because he keeps throwing up because he has asthma, 569 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: I mean also because she just got elbowed in the 570 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: stomach repe his mouth. Yeah um. And instead of giving 571 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: him medical treatment even though he like easily could have died, 572 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: the cops just beat him up for asking. There's another 573 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: guy who gets uh sexually abused with the barrel of 574 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: a gun and when he starts screaming, the guard the 575 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: gun goes on a ranch about how he needs to 576 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: be careful or he might accidentally pull the trigger. Oh boy, 577 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: it's it's bad. Um, this is all thin that specific. Yeah, 578 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: this is this is this is this is all just 579 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: in Home and Square. Um. He claims that like the 580 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: cell he's being held in, he doesn't get any food, 581 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: doesn't get any water. They keep them there for hours 582 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: and the like the cell just smells like blood and 583 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: like feces because yeah, they don't let people go to 584 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: the bathroom. To other individuals. Uh. Stephanie Martinez and Calvin 585 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: CoFe described relieving themselves well shackled in a Home and 586 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: Square and interrogation room. Martinez, locked up in two thousand 587 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: and six, was told by a guard that she did 588 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: not have the key to Martinezs handcuffs and could not 589 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: take her to the bathroom. Kofe, taken to Home and 590 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: Square on the sixth of February two fifteen on suspicion 591 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: of narcotic activity, defecated on the floor after two hours, 592 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: fruitlessly requesting for the bathroom. A police officer made Calvin 593 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: clean it. Up with his skull cap. The lawsuit alleges 594 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: it's these people are sick there, it's it's yeah yeah, yeah, 595 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: they hate that. It's like up and you know that 596 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,959 Speaker 1: they do it. They're holding children in here, like they 597 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: have people as young as fifteen who are being sure 598 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: literally everything is about this is that when? So sometimes 599 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: sometimes you get sort of like arrested normally, although again 600 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: I should mention that the constitution does not exist like 601 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: it's it's fake, it's a lie. No one ever gets 602 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: fucking read the miranda rights. It doesn't matter because the 603 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: constitution doesn't exist if you're poor. Yeah, it sort of 604 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: exists if you're not. But I will guarantee you they're 605 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,239 Speaker 1: reading their miranda rights to people who look like they 606 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: got yeah yeah yeah. No. These people there's actually a 607 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: story of these two quarto Rican guys who got brought 608 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: in and they like the cops are like trying to 609 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: get them, give us something, and they just like they 610 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: start name dropping like civil rights lawyers, and the cops 611 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: are like, okay, okay, uh, we're good. We'll we'll we'll 612 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: drive you back. If you don't talk, we'll we'll drive 613 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: We'll drive you back to like where you came from. Yeah, 614 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's it's extremely grim. Yeah. They just want 615 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: to funk with people who can't defend themselves. Yeah. Yeah. 616 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: And you know, and the way they do this, right, 617 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: Like they they do these raids where like everyone's they're 618 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: they're they're they're not wearing adges. Everyone's just like wearing 619 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: matt like like black armor and like black masks. And 620 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: so people describe getting like dragged out of their house 621 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: and like they don't know if they're getting robbed or 622 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: like if they're being kidnapped, and then they are being 623 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: kidnapped by just being kidnapped like by the cops, and 624 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: they get dragged and then again they're they're dragging like 625 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: fifteen year olds into the into this thing. Uh. There 626 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: there's one guy who gets found unresponsive in an interrogation room. Um, 627 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: now the police say they dive from heron overdose. But 628 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: this makes literally no sense. So the first reason why 629 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense is that the cops initially lie 630 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: about where he about where he like had the overdose 631 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: and died because they don't want to reveal that he 632 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: uh you know, was in their secret black site. So 633 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: they like linens that he was another he was at 634 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: another site. Now, the other thing you know that contradicts 635 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: the claimed that this guy was had a heroin overdose 636 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: is that the hospital when he when when the hospital 637 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: saw him, they wrote that he was sober. So I 638 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: mean he could have he could have had a heroin overdose. 639 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: In turn to the cops injecting, yeah, like yeah, that's 640 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: the most likely thing, Like there's nothing part of this. 641 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: So so this guy was selling cocaine right, Um, but 642 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: again he's selling cocaine, not heroin. And the other and 643 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: you know, his his partner, like there was another guy 644 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: he was he was selling cocaine with like his partner 645 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 1: when everyone who knew him was completely insisted that you 646 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,240 Speaker 1: know he does he doesn't do drugs, right, he sells 647 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: them because you know, you sell drugs. But yeah, and 648 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: and the cops and you know, there are things that 649 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: the cops do. The comp thing where they changed their 650 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: story twice. So originally they said that he like committed 651 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: suicide by heroin overdosing, and then they changed their story too. 652 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: He died by accidents. Um. The the other thing that 653 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: that indicates that he probably did not in fact die 654 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 1: from heroin overdose. Is that there's bruises all over his face, 655 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,479 Speaker 1: he has a busted lip, his neck is super red, 656 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: and none of that shows up in the in the 657 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 1: police autopsy. And yeah, yeah, and this all reads just 658 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: like a standard Burge error interrogation, so that like they 659 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: beat him, they put a bag over said to suffocate him, 660 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: and then you plant heroin on him and you know, 661 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: you call him yeah, the day's work. Yeah yeah, And 662 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: you know, and there's there's another thing that that that 663 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,760 Speaker 1: I should mention here about the story, which is that, Okay, 664 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: so this guy is in a Chicago Police Department black site, right, 665 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: how did he get heroin in? Like everyone in his 666 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: black site, he is literally shackled to a wall, like 667 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: there's no the old the old place the hair we 668 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: could possibly have come from is the cops. So it's like, 669 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,839 Speaker 1: you know, and independent autopsy says he dies of asphyxiation. 670 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: Uh so yeah, I'm gonna read something from the Guardian 671 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: about the guy who uh, the guy's partner who was 672 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,280 Speaker 1: in the next cell over. The other partner who requested 673 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: to be cited as John Dowell. He rebuilds his life 674 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: post conviction, was in a home and square interrogation room 675 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: near Galvin's. While Doe was unable to see inside, he 676 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,879 Speaker 1: told The Guardian he heard a lot of commotion, then 677 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: booming and banging, and then a gagging sound coming from 678 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: his friend's cell. His partner. Yeah, so this this guy, 679 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 1: uh like his partner, like he's that guy's also like 680 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: chained to a wall for like twelve hours. Um here 681 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: here's he he's a both them today. I heard a holler, 682 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: I heard officers talking to him. After that, I just 683 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: heard a lot of commotion like boom boom boom boom 684 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: and banging boom boom, boom, boom boom, And then I 685 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: didn't hear nothing after that. My door was kind of 686 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,800 Speaker 1: cracked and then they shut it. After that, they shut 687 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 1: my door all the way before the police shut the 688 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: door dozed. I heard a gagging sound like he makes 689 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,879 Speaker 1: a choking noise, like choking, like somebody was choking after 690 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: the commotion, like choking. I yeah, oh yeah, it's it's 691 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: very it's very obvious from the get Yeah. Yeah, like 692 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: they tortured this guy to death and yeah, it's yeah. 693 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 1: And and the other fun part about Homo squares that 694 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: homele square is also used to torture political prisoners. All right, 695 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: So Brian Brian Jacob Church is a member of the 696 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: NATO three, which is a group of antion NATO protesters, 697 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: and she doesn't twelve who got set up by an 698 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: incredibly elaborate government and trapment scheme and arrested for it. Um. 699 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: And he was taken immediately to Home and Square. He's 700 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: never read his miranda rights. He's cuffed to a bench 701 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 1: for seventeen hours, um. And he asked to call his 702 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,439 Speaker 1: lawyer because like a good leftist, he has the National 703 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 1: Lawyer's Field number written on his arm. And you know, 704 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: this is something that's important. So the Guardian talked to 705 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,240 Speaker 1: like dozens of people who were held here right, Um, 706 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: exactly two of them were able to contact a lawyer 707 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 1: and they were both white and Church Church is one 708 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: of them. And this is actually how uh part of 709 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: how Home and Square goes public because Brian Jacob Church 710 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: like talks to the press about it and Spencer Ackerman, 711 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: it's a great journalist, does a bunch of incredible reporting 712 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: and like brings the black site to light. And so 713 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: there's there's seven thousand and eighty five people we can 714 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: prove we're taken to Home and Square. Uh, six thousands 715 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 1: of those people are black. Less than one percent of 716 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,839 Speaker 1: those people had their rest logged, which means the cops 717 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,359 Speaker 1: just vanished them. Uh, it's almost certainly more people. Now, 718 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: I'm going to read something about this from from the 719 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: book Writings from the World of Policing. This Home and 720 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 1: Score revelation seems to me to be an institutionalization of 721 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,240 Speaker 1: practices that date back more than forty years, said Flint Taylor, 722 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: the civil rights lawyer and most associated with pursuing Area 723 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,760 Speaker 1: to Commander John Burge. Back when I first started working 724 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 1: on torture cases and started representing criminal defendants in the 725 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,359 Speaker 1: early nineteen seventies, Taylor continued. My my clients often told 726 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 1: me they've been taken from one police station to another 727 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: before ending up an area to where they were tortured. 728 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: That way, the police prevent their families and lawyers from 729 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 1: seeing them until they could coerci the torture or other 730 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: means confession from them. So, yeah, that that's our fucking 731 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: police reform. Instead of having a instead of taking the 732 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: police station to police station, the police have now been 733 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: reformed so that they have one institutionalized black site instead 734 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: of multiple ones home and Square is still open to 735 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 1: this day that this came out in fifteen, there have 736 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,400 Speaker 1: been like over half a decade of protest against it. 737 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: Um so supposedly the rules have changed and if you 738 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: get a rested they have to put you in the system. 739 00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: But Square is still open. There's probably another one somewhere 740 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 1: that they've just they've they've they've they've switched which side 741 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:11,319 Speaker 1: they're doing their black sits on, and yeah, well, yeah, 742 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,360 Speaker 1: I have I have a have a closing statement. It 743 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 1: is it is an inhuman crime that a single one 744 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 1: of these fucking demons is allowed to roam our streets 745 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,320 Speaker 1: with the badge and the authority to rape, torture and 746 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 1: murder us, and the certainty that the system will beat 747 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: us into a pulp if we attempt, even in the 748 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: smallest way both symbolic way possible, to resist them. The 749 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: police must be abolished. There is no alternative. For the 750 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: sake of our survival, for the survival of children, and 751 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: for the sake of every generation that is born its 752 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 1: horrors before us. We could only abolish the police, salt 753 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: the earth u pump which it stands, and drive the 754 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,320 Speaker 1: very concept of policing into a space of such infamy 755 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 1: and terror that even the worst among us would not 756 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: dare to even propose bringing it back. Also, get rid 757 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: of that last statue. Yeah, that one destroyed. Let's knocked 758 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: that one out of there too. I mean, I feel 759 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 1: like everyone who's ever been to that site has should 760 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: have the the the like universal right to take a 761 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: hammer and maybe you know, maybe maybe an RPG and 762 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 1: just like do whatever they want to that building. Yeah, 763 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,400 Speaker 1: I think the men who continued to like in women 764 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: who continued to work in CPD, like anyone who was 765 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,240 Speaker 1: ever arrested by them or or otherwise brutalize them should 766 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: just forever have the right to just give him like 767 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: a solid shot to the balls, you know, like just 768 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: just like they get to wear a little sign around 769 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 1: their neck. And it's like that guy used to that 770 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,800 Speaker 1: guy was you know, it was one of Burgess dudes. 771 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 1: So anybody who sees them can just give him, give 772 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: him a little haymaker right in the right in the 773 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: bread basket. That is a proposal. That is I'm running 774 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 1: from mayor of Chicago. I mean, i i'd look our 775 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,879 Speaker 1: bears all suck, So you know, move move over here, 776 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 1: and we we we we can propose a solution to 777 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: this problem that is so unbelievably not proportionately violence to 778 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 1: what the police have been doing that it boggles belief. 779 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure I can still manage to be corrupt. Yeah, yeah, 780 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,720 Speaker 1: I mean it's Chicago. You can't not. I mean, I guess, 781 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: I mean life was sort of corrupt, life was less 782 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 1: corrupt than normal. She's just bad. But yeah, it's Chicago. 783 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 1: You'll you'll find corrupt, corruption will be foisted upon you. 784 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 1: I'm I'm actually fine with that. Well, another another uplifting episode, 785 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: if it could happen. Yeah, I will say this like 786 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 1: a Garrison named it last yet earlier today. Hi, here's 787 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 1: a problem by you know, And I will say any 788 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: any time, any time someone tells you that, like, no, 789 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: it's fine, we're going to reform the police, just like 790 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 1: remind them that reforming the Chicago Police Department went was 791 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: that the reform was that we now have black sites. 792 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 1: We now have we now have consolidated the black We 793 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 1: went from multiple black sites to one black site. And 794 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,440 Speaker 1: also they probably moved it again as it's just you 795 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: just have to get rid of that is the essence 796 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: of police report. Yeah, anyway, Yep, there's a problem. 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