WEBVTT - When You Fish Upon A Star (with Danielle Pinnock) 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:05.280 But I'm like, I used to be so tight. I 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:07.200 was like, damn, I want to go to these sleepovers. 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:10.000 But my grandma she was not. She was never into 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:11.719 that sleepover stuff. And like, I was like, y'all have 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:13.200 the nerve to send me to private school. Y'all know 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:16.079 these white people be loving sleepovers and doing all this stuff, 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:18.240 and I can't go to that one. What's going on? 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:19.520 She was like, I don't know what's going on in 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:21.599 their house. I know what's going on my house. You 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:23.959 want to you have people come to my house? Nobody, 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:25.800 I'm nobody's trying to come to our house. We don't 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:28.960 have cable. We got illegal cable. Nothing works at the house. 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:30.360 I was like, who am I trying to get to 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:48.720 come to the house. What's happening? Chips in your sept 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:58.640 you can't tell me? Yep, yep, yep, there it is. 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:02.640 There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:06.480 episode of My Mama Told Me, the podcast where we 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:10.440 died deep, deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:13.640 and we finally work to prove that if Danny Glover 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:17.720 ever clears his throat, he is going to sound exactly 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.360 like Cardi b I swear to God there is a 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:25.160 hundred and five years of dust caughting that man's windpipe, 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:28.960 and if he just would would go him, he'll sound 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.400 like a like a girl from the Bronx, like like 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:35.400 he's back back on the block, Danny from the Bronx. 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:37.080 That's what we used to call him back when I 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:39.760 was a kid. Anyway, I'm your host Leaves and Kerney, 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.200 and I'm coming in hot as always making fun of 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:45.280 our elders. You know how I misbehave it, truly is 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:49.400 I'm not getting better. Folks, everybody you know, you tweet 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:51.919 me and you tell me you gotta fix your personality. 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:54.360 I say, fuck you. This is me for the rest 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:56.560 of my life. And I shouldn't speak to you that way. 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.080 You're a fan, and I should be more careful with 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:01.520 my fans, but I'm not. You know who is careful, 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:05.080 I think with her fans. You know who seems like 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:09.680 she's very kind and very responsible with everyone who speaks 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:12.000 to her, and and so far I can say with 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:16.280 absolute certainties, you've been nothing behind in our interactions. It's 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:19.880 my guest today. She's so funny, so talented, an actor, 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:23.880 a writer, a talented in many ways, so many ways, 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:27.040 and you know her specifically from the show Ghost on 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:31.840 CBS Thursdays. So talent, so goddamn talented. Please give it 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:40.840 up from Ms Daniel Pinna. Thank you having me, Yeah, 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:44.240 hell yeah, yeah, you know. I I try to. I 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:48.280 try to make them nice and warm for people. Well listen, 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:51.919 I'm warmed. This is good. This is good, and I'm 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.720 such a huge fan of you and the podcast. Oh 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.640 thank you. I I say so many irreverent things that 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:01.080 I'd never want people to feel like are tied to 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:03.200 the bullshit that I'm putting out in the world, you 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:05.640 know what I mean. Like, whatever I'm doing, you don't 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:07.280 have to you don't have to be a part of that. 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:09.200 I'll give you a decent intro and then if you 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.680 decide to play along in it, that's on your sister. 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:16.000 You're trapped in this hell with me too. And shout 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:20.560 out to Danny Glover and on that. Give that man 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:24.320 a cough, drop a sath please just get him, get 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:27.440 him a one were the ones the regular? Get him 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:34.120 or some music next. Please come on, Danny, you gotta 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:38.960 the allergies. They can't be all season. Danny, there's there 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:44.480 is a winter somewhere. You gotta clear your throat. That's 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:48.560 so we can't. We can't keep riffing on Danny Glover 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:50.800 all day, although I would happily do that for an 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:56.080 entire podcast, because you came with a conspiracy theory, and 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:59.360 maybe it's even a we're putting a little bit of 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:03.600 a wider breath on how we think about conspiracy theory 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.160 in this case. But you came with I think it's 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:10.320 a really interesting, exciting conspiracy theory. You said, my mama 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:15.600 told me, if you dream a fish, I mean someone 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:23.320 is pregnant. Yes, without question. My whole family is Jamaican, 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:27.840 so I mean we are conspiracy theorists. We love it. 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.919 But the fish thing is a huge thing in my 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:33.560 family and my mom every time she dreams of fish, 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:37.520 a cousin is pregnant. It's wild, like literally it's wild. 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:40.599 And then like she'll like call people and be like, 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.480 this is the day, date and time I dreamed of it, 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:47.720 write it down, and then sure enough a month later, boom, 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:52.080 somebody's pregners. It's quite so your mom in this case, 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:56.159 your mom specifically is the fish whisperer. She is the 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:01.320 She's the one that's that's the key to everybody's fish 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:07.960 omens exactly exactly. She's wild. I mean, she's a seer. 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.320 She definitely is a prophet in her own mind. So 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:15.440 shout out to mom. I love you know very It's 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:18.000 I would say, more rare than I would even expect 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:22.080 on this show. Are people actually giving us conspiracy theories 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:25.080 their mother told them or their mothers are putting out 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:28.159 in the world. So this is is very exciting a 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:32.160 lot of times in the barbershop that said, and we 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:35.080 gotta follow that train, you know what I mean. No, 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:37.880 this is definitely something that's been passed down in my family. 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:41.359 And yeah, I do. I kind of believe it. Nobody's 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.720 dreamed of fish for me yet. And I'm like, thank you. 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:47.400 Let me continue to get my ghost checks, my student loans. 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:52.000 Don't dream of no, damn Sam. And I'm good as 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:55.280 a as a recent father, I can assure you it 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.919 does change the way those checks cut up and and 0:05:57.960 --> 0:05:59.800 the doing that check. And you know what I mean, 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:05.080 enjoy the prophet you're making from CBS. Yeah, I got 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:07.440 a couple more things I gotta fix up, finished off 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:10.719 paying my suit and loans, and you know, just enjoying 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:15.479 having coins for the first time. I love that. Let 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.960 me ask you this question because you're you're saying your 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.880 mom has these dreams and then and she's had a 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:24.720 multiple times for you said cousins that ended up pregnant. 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:28.279 So she has the dream, does she then like, first 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:33.280 thing in the morning, call them and be like, yo, pregnant. Well, 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:35.760 the Caribbean thing really is in a call. It's a WhatsApp. 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:43.279 So she's all her biblical scripture of the morning with 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:47.360 Jesus and the cross glowing um. And then she'll be like, look, 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:49.839 I just had a dream of fish. Christine is about 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:53.360 to be pregnant. Get ready. And we were like okay, 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:56.279 but my aunts are like okay, boom, great. Everybody starts 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:58.480 going into like power range of form. They're like, Okay, 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:00.080 this is gonna happen. She's kind of like this it 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.400 on where she's like, this is happening, y'all get into formation. 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:12.600 It's just her head in a window, pregnant. It's go time. 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:16.680 My favorite thing about What's app is uh that the 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:22.200 memes are are always just a skew from what everyone 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.320 else is doing on every other app. So my mom 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:29.880 lives in Ghana and almost exclusively uses What'sapp and it's 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.720 the same ship we got, but there's something a little 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:36.720 funked up about it, and you're like, it's like when 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:39.360 you know those games where they'll be like spot what's 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:41.720 wrong in this picture and it's like, Oh, that's what's 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:47.520 that memes? That's I wish HBO would do a documentary 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:50.640 on these people who are making these memes for WhatsApp 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:55.200 because they are so specific, like who's doing all of 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:58.400 these religious memes? Like they're putting the time into it 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:04.680 in photoshop. It's like it's like, Wow, one wife of 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:08.840 a pastor learned basic photoshop and was like, I got it. 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:12.640 I'm gonna take care of is on campa. She's on 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:15.000 the campa and really she's getting it in on camera 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:21.680 and shout out to her. She works ALLRD okay, so 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:27.040 your mom is sending people into action she she calls them. 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:30.320 Is there ever a point that that someone has been 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:33.960 at all resentful of the phone call where they were like, Hey, 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.280 don't call me, don't call me with that ship. They 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:41.640 leave me, leave me the funk alone with these not 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.000 because you know what the thing is, It's like Caribbean moms. 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:49.199 All they want is grandkids, like literally that is their 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.800 whole lot in life. Like, my mom comes from a 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:56.800 huge family. She has twelve brothers and sisters. Okay, and 0:08:56.880 --> 0:09:00.360 everybody ever got pregnant everybody, Yes, I have how many 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.520 cousins and even cousins I probably don't even know about, 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.040 and like I grew up as an only child, but 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:11.319 like the block was hot with Auntie's so it was 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:15.360 just like we were one big family. And yeah, I know, 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:17.920 like everybody's just happy to be pregnant. I think, to 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:20.719 be honest, I'm the only one that's like because I'm 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:22.920 in the arts and like in the entertainment industry where 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:28.160 I'm like, hold on now, wait wait, So I'm so 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:30.680 happy my my cousins have kids. So the attention, the 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:35.359 spotlight is on them right now, but cousins, the attention 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:40.439 it can be spread out over many decades to make 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:43.000 sure that you no longer you are never the focal 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:46.200 point of this whole thing exactly. I'm scared though, because 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:49.560 my grandmother actually called my mom two weeks ago and 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:51.440 was like, I think Danielle is about to have a son. 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.360 She's like write the day down. I had a dream 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:56.560 it wasn't a fish. She had actually a dream of 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.400 the actual child and me and labor and she was like, 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:03.360 it's a boy. See these Jamaicans. I'm trying to tell you. 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:08.000 It's just it's always something. It's always something. As somebody 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:13.120 who grew up strictly African American, a lot of that 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:16.640 should be scaring me, where it's like, not I got 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:20.800 a service, like a type of like ancestry and sort 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:24.079 of like rules that don't exist for us, you know 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:28.320 what I mean. I used to hate when I was 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:29.920 like in middle school of high school, when I'll try 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.199 to go to sleepover and I'd be like, all right, 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:34.200 I'm about to go, and my mom be like I 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:41.479 had a dream, You're staying home and I'm like doing nothing. 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:46.360 She'd like, stay home, stay home, and nothing was happening 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:49.280 in the day I'll sleep over. There was there ever 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.320 a point where like your mom would stay home and 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.959 then it was like a final destination thing where like 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:58.200 a house fell on the girls that were sleeping on nothing. 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.040 They were there watching cruel into engines like that was 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:05.240 literally all that was happening. That was it, That was it. 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.920 It's also one of those things where it's like, basically, 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:10.360 you are now being tasked with the ability to prove 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.960 her dream wrong. And it's like, I wasn't even there 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.520 for whatever you're you know what I mean, I'm not 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.240 in your brand. I can't prove nothing that you're saying wrong. 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:26.120 I'm I'm exactly exactly. Yo. My family used to be 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:29.520 so oh d Like I just wanted to do normal 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:32.800 things like where juicy couture and paint my nails, but 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:35.559 they had me looking like Maxine Waters and Steve Harvey's 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:39.679 child and he's like Burlinton Co Factory three piece suits 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:42.600 with a pocket square, Like I used to look so 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.880 crazy in school coming up and I was just like, 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:51.000 what's the point. What's the point? Damn? So at any point, 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:53.080 because I feel like you have to have at least 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.280 addressed this with your mom to be like, Yo, what 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.480 was up with the pocket squares in the in the 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:01.600 shoulder pads? Like what was happening? Has she? Has she 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:03.880 ever been like, Yo, You're right, I was bugging. I 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:08.720 shouldn't have done that to you. No, because people are dramatic, right, 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:12.120 so when they see dress code, they're like, boom, Sunday's 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:15.600 best And I was like, that's not what it means. 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:18.280 We could just do a nice little skirt and a 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:21.120 little card. Again, it doesn't need to be all that. 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:23.480 My grandma when she saw dress code, she was like 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.720 she about to be sharp, but I'm like, Grandma, I 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.720 look crazy. Why are we shopping at Land's And when 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:34.520 I'm nine years they're literally not even making these clothes 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:39.800 for me. This is literally in the limited like school suits. 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:41.600 My mom us say, Hemmy, I don't know if y'all 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:43.880 know this store, but Annie says, which was like a 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:47.760 store exclusively for suits. It was literally if you were 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:50.280 a lawyer, that's where you went if you wanted to discount. 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:52.520 So you went to Andy says, And my mom would 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:54.000 get the two for one, she would get one for 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:55.920 her on one for me, And I'll be like, why 0:12:56.000 --> 0:13:00.079 are we matching? This shouldn't. Yes, not only should you 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.640 not be putting me in a suit, but but to 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.959 make me wear the same suit as you is maybe 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:09.000 the rudest thing any human could possibly due to a child. 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.880 We looked like the Caribbean version of Twins. Like I 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.719 was clearly Danny to be like, I looked a mess, 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.280 and I was like, I look like a freaking district 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:22.800 attorney at ten years old. Y'all are playing me. I'm 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:24.960 trying to get a boyfriend. I'm trying to have crushes. 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.880 I'm not gonna get no crushes at kickball in panty 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:31.600 holes and a slip. It's not happening. I will say 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:34.319 that that I'm sorry that that happened to you. I 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.480 hope that that you have fully recovered. It is giving 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:39.440 me some idea of what I planned to do to 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:43.240 my own daughter, uh, in preparation for any point where 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:47.120 she starts to become attracted to the opposite sector, any sex. Frankly, 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:51.760 I don't want her to find joy ever. So na 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:54.840 matching suits. Yeah, you're gonna me and her, We're gonna 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.959 be both dressed like Detroit red walking around, you know 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:06.240 what I mean, just just looking red, diculous, big old zos. Listen, 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:10.560 don't do that, her, Please, don't do that. Don't do it. 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:15.320 Don't We're gonna have big zoot suits and fedoras and 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:20.240 pocket watches and that's gonna be our style. Dear God, 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:27.920 help send help police. Like I I got you exactly 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:36.520 hate it, hated it so so. Your mom. Your mom 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.760 is a dreamer of sorts. Your grandmother it sounds like 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:45.440 has has a little bit of the same energy. Did 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:49.080 you at all absorb some of this? Did you ever 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:53.880 become a little bit of a seer? You know? Hilariously, Yes, 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:58.040 I have incredible moments of deja vu. And what I 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:01.000 started actually doing in the Endemic is writing some of 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:05.080 the dreams down and like I would like things would happen. 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:09.600 Like I definitely had a dream ten years before I 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.320 met my husband, and I was just like, oh, I 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.320 just think this is like so stupid because my husband 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.760 is white. He's the first white person I ever dated 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.160 in my life. And I was like, this is never 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:22.320 going to happen. And I was like, this is clearly 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:23.840 just a dream and it must be because I was 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:27.400 listening to Justin timber Lake. There's no reason, Like I 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:30.040 was like, it has to me just as fault. Okay, 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.000 that was a weird dream. Who is this white man 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:34.440 that I'm married? There's no way. And like when I 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:38.840 went to school on our first date, I was like, yo, 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:41.800 I think we're about to get married and he was like, 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:46.280 what you were about to get married? I was like 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:52.440 I did because this white man you walked up there, 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:54.880 Like I think we get married? You know. I was like, 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:56.840 I think we're about to get married, and I was like, 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.000 I was like, I don't want to get married. But 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.080 I had this dream and you look just like this 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:04.440 guy in the dream, and he was laughing so hard, 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:06.000 and I was like, thank god, he doesn't think I'm 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.560 like out of my mind. And then sure enough, two 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:12.240 and a half years later, marriage, Damn, I thought say, 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.560 And sure enough I was out of my mind. And 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:18.720 that's how I ended up here. I was crazy as 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:24.160 a souper sandwich the whole time. Exactly, exactly. No, I 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.640 think truly if my wife would my wife would have 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:29.080 come up to me and been like, I think we're 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.080 gonna get married, I'd be like, all right, well this 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:37.880 has been a lovely chance. I'll cherish this bond forever, 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:42.640 but I'm going elsewhere with my introduces goodbye. So it 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.560 sounds like you met the perfect person for you. Yeah, 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:48.080 he's any just like me. We're a bag of tricks 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:52.240 in real time. Hell yeah? Is he at all nervous 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:57.360 about about your grandmother and your mother foreseeing your future 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.480 in any kind of way? Does he buy into this? 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.880 Is he a leaver? He is? Now? Because you know 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:06.800 he's British, so they're very skeptical about everything. They see 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.520 the glass as non existent. It's not half full, it's 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.400 not it's not even there, do you know what I mean? 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:16.640 So um, at first he was just like, Okay, this 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:20.920 is weird. And then my mom, when she first met him, 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:24.120 had had a dream about this is this is how 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:27.760 deep this goes. My grandmother, like when I was sixteen 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.720 years old, was like, you're about to marry this white 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:34.160 man with red hair. And I was like, you're on drugs. 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:39.280 I was like, you're bluffing to take your kills. Wait 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:41.800 a minute, that's how they get That's how they get you. 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:46.080 It's like you're on drugs. And then my mom had 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:49.960 a similar dream while I was in college, didn't tell me, 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:53.359 wrote it down though, and then when she met Jack 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:56.400 in person, she was like, wow, that's so crazy. That's 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:58.720 my son in law. And never said anything, said that 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:02.080 to him and he was laughing, y'all are crazy. Literally 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.119 wrote it down and I had a dream about to 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:08.920 marry this man with red hair, and so she red 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:11.720 hair in her dream as well in her dream too, 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:15.720 And I was like this, these are jokes, yeah, But 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:20.760 but poor Jack, this whole time just keeps being bombarded 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:24.639 with various women from your family, being like, you know 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:28.320 you're getting married. He's like, dog, I just met y'all. 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:31.399 And that's the thing for me. I never wanted to 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:34.280 get married. That was never my my thing. I knew 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:35.879 because my mom. You know, my mom and dad they 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.560 got divorced. I said, I have no interest. I just 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:41.359 want to have a whole phase for the rest of 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:44.359 my life. That's all I wanted. And I was like, 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:46.360 and I can have a couple of friends. I could 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:48.280 go and see my boo in Brooklyn, I can see 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:50.080 my boo in l A. I can go to Canada, 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:53.119 have a boo in Canada. That was where I was 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:55.920 trying to live for myself. And I was like, Oh, 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:58.159 this guy is so cute. It's gonna be cute for England. 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:00.240 It's gonna be my boo in England, and then gonna 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.440 meet my interest Alba and it's gonna be fine, right 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:06.960 And Yo, we got to this relationship and I was like, Yo, 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:09.480 this man is actually really dope, but I'm scared because 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:13.040 he's outside of my race and I've never done that before. 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:14.919 And I was like, I don't know what the expectations 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:17.520 are what is his family about to be? Like, I 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:22.159 have an absolute fear of white women, like truly terrified. 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:28.119 You don't like true true, I think I'll do it, 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:31.439 you know, life private school. So I was like, oh, 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:33.960 what's his mom about to be? What's about to be? 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.280 And um? When I met his family, they were so loving. 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:40.280 They're a modern family. His sister is married to somebody 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:43.320 from Mumbai. He got to lesbian Auntie's his mom and 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:47.160 dad they're they're like the like they own they own 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.280 a farm. Like it's just really it's a lot going 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:56.399 on in the family. So I was like, okay, yeah, okay, 0:19:57.000 --> 0:20:01.000 I got you. You're not a mean I was like, 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:08.080 it's not like it's not giving life. Get out okay, 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:13.159 because you know I came in there like hello, I 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:17.639 was like um. But like his mom, I was like, 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:20.639 what's talking to to me? Like what's gonna happen? I 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:23.160 was so freaking out every five minutes. But his mom 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:25.359 is like the sweetest human being in the world. I 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:28.200 love his family so much, but like it was wild. 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:29.800 I did not know this man was going to be 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:33.000 my husband. I and so in that way, he was 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:36.000 exactly who they should have been dreaming of because not 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:39.000 only is he is he this red hair white man 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:42.200 of time, but he also is the type of person 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:47.159 who who legitimately could embrace some of the things that 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:51.040 otherwise you might scare a different person off. Yeah, he 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:54.080 was just like, yo, this girl is funny, like and 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:56.639 I'm like, I'm telling you, like, this is wild. But 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:59.680 everything that I wanted in a husband, because I was 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:01.639 in this face in college where they were like, oh right, 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:03.320 what do you want down? And I was like, okay, 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:05.359 well I'm just gonna write what I want down and 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:08.200 like a partner because I'm not trying to get married. 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:14.280 Everything was on that list from like plays an instrument, compassionate, 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:16.720 you know what I mean, Like it's in the arts, 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:19.800 but not an actor. You don't want to do that 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:23.720 just there. It is some real specific things on the list. 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:25.800 And like the one thing that I forgot to be 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:29.119 put on the list was must be black because that 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:32.080 it's like I just assumed. I just assumed that the 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:33.719 partner was just gonna be black. And I was like, oh, 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:37.399 that's that's that's a given. And how white guy works. 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:42.119 White God gives you, gives you white men. That's how 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:46.199 white guy works. No, But I believe in black Jesus. 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:51.280 Well you don't believe enough. I played myself. Your black 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:55.840 Jesus got blue eyes. Your black Jesus looks like No, 0:21:57.040 --> 0:22:02.240 I rebuke white Jesus. Like Jesus looks like Michael Eally. 0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:05.800 And that's how you ended up with with this white 0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:08.200 man on you on your side. But that's okay. It's 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:11.280 a beautiful love story. I love it so much. And 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:13.359 you know what, this is a perfect way for us 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:15.120 to take a break. We're gonna We're gonna be back 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:17.640 with more, my mama told me. And more Danielle Pinnock. 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:40.600 And we are back. Yeah, We're back here with more, 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:43.200 Danielle Pinnock. More. My mama told me. We're still talking 0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:48.200 about the possibility that a dream of fish implies. Tells you, 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:51.639 that's not an implication, motherfucker. It is a certainty that 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:57.360 somebody in your life is pregnant. Have you yourself ever 0:22:57.600 --> 0:23:01.440 dreamt of fish? Is that it has fish ever come 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:06.359 up in your dreams? I mean, like cravings wise, just 0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:10.280 because I'm like breeding and I love crab legs and 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:14.520 like actual shrimp and stuff, like if I'm if I'm 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:16.720 dreaming of fish, it's like usually in a in a 0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:20.280 like a little plastic bag occasion spice, Like, it's never 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:27.320 like fishual roaming and doing stuff. No, it's like I've 0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:31.040 had that tonight. I got you. It's it's fish sticks. 0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:36.800 It ain't fishing exactly exactly. That's well, it's interesting you 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:39.000 bring that up, because I actually think that that that 0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:41.879 segue is really nicely into some of the research that 0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:46.120 I found. So I wanted to really unpack, right, where 0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:49.639 does this come from? Who's who? Why? Fish? All of 0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:53.520 these things are really important questions for me to to understand. 0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:55.840 And one of the things that I read is that 0:23:56.080 --> 0:24:01.040 fish are almost universally seen as a sim of fertility 0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:04.119