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Speaker 2: All right, hit that horn, very bless.

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Speaker 3: What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Chris Raybond of the Action Network, and

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Speaker 2: this is part two of our Fantasy Quarterback series. We'll

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Speaker 2: be talking about the weight round quarterbacks here, the guys

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Speaker 2: outside the top twelve. And as always, I'm joined by

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Speaker 2: one of the top rankers in the game, one of

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Speaker 2: the most accurate for years on years on end, the

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Speaker 2: odds maker, Sean Er Sean, what's going on?

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Speaker 1: What's up? Really?

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Speaker 4: Just starting to feel like we're getting into the swing

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Speaker 4: of things. This is also the time of the year.

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Speaker 4: I start looking at the Chargers and Rams preseason schedule

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Speaker 4: to see which rookies we're gonna go check out. So,

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Speaker 4: I mean the Rams play the Cowboys week one. I

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Speaker 4: think that that might be kind of fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we should have check out.

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Speaker 1: Blake Korum, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean yeah, we

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Speaker 2: got to see what's going on.

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Speaker 1: With Kyron this year exactly.

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Speaker 2: See if he maintains his workloader turns into cam Akers

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Speaker 3: But yeah, no, it's that time of year.

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Speaker 2: We were starting to really dig in, camps about to

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Speaker 2: pick up, and preseason's about to get under way. So

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Speaker 2: we ranking these quarterbacks here if you missed part one,

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Speaker 2: we look at the top twelve quarterbacks by ADP talked about,

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Speaker 2: you know, kind of the range of outcomes, what we like,

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Speaker 2: will be the late round guys. And started off with

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Speaker 2: Jared Goff at QB thirteen. Now I like the fact

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Speaker 2: that you know, high powered offense plays most of the

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Speaker 2: at Green Bay November third and at Chicago December twenty second,

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Speaker 2: So another good schedule for him. He did finish right

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Speaker 2: here around QB thirteen. In Fantasy points per game last

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Speaker 2: you know, with Golf here as a true pocket passer,

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Speaker 2: not much rushing upside, what are you doing with him

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Speaker 2: Do you think he's going too high as you will?

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Speaker 4: He only finished in the top twelve forty four percent

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Speaker 4: I think he's just being overdrafted based on the perception

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Speaker 4: And again we're going to talk about some guys in

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Speaker 2: You know, just you know that with that line's offense

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Speaker 3: Of a tier again, which we don't like to do.

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Speaker 2: Where you've already you've got your top twelve off the board,

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Speaker 2: You know, rushing wise eleven hundred and thirty five yards

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Speaker 4: So I just think he has a ton of upside.

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Speaker 2: This guy's going to be available in every round that

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Speaker 2: So yeah, love love Jaded Daniels at QB fourteen. That

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Speaker 3: QUB fifteen. Trevor Lawrence, He's he's going.

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Speaker 2: His ADP was like QB eight last year, so it's

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Speaker 1: Well, either way, I think he's worth it.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I just think once you get to that

434
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,439
Speaker 2: point in the dres it's all about, you know, what

435
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 2: kind of production can you replace and what production can

436
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 2: you not? And I mean with with with Williams, it's

437
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 2: just that supporting cast, I mean, with a little bit

438
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,239
Speaker 2: of you know, rushing ability, you know, puts him right

439
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 2: there with you know, a guy like I'll talk about next,

440
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford. I like him just because I think he

441
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 2: has a similar outlook to Jared Goff, but goes, you know,

442
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 2: it's going like five picks later, goes usually a couple

443
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 2: of rounds later. And I think, you know, having Cooper

444
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 2: Cup for the whole year is gonna help, because he

445
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 2: averaged one point nine passing touchdowns per game with Cup

446
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,920
Speaker 2: last year, just point seventy five without him, and he

447
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 2: over over to Fantasy points per game more with Cup

448
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 2: and the Lives. So I think, like that's the reason

449
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 2: I'm not rushing out to draft Jared Goffe at a

450
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 2: QB thirteens because you can get Matthew Stafford at QB eighteen.

451
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 2: Another guy plays games you know, indoors.

452
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 3: Uh and uh you know pocket pass.

453
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 2: We're not gonna give you much rushing, but great supporting cast.

454
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, what are your thoughts on now on Stafford?

455
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Stafford's the perfect example of just he's

456
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 4: a better, much better real life QB than fantasy asset.

457
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 4: You know, he has a really high weekly floor. I

458
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 4: think he's really good for like re draft leagues that

459
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,679
Speaker 4: where you're drafting two quarterbacks, like super flex formats, but

460
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 4: just best ball specifically. It's it's tough because of the

461
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,880
Speaker 4: lack of rushing stats. He finished twenty eighth and best

462
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 4: ball points added per game. You know, he only finished

463
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 4: in the top twelve twenty seven percent of the time

464
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 4: that ranked twenty seven, So he just doesn't provide as

465
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,439
Speaker 4: many you know, spiked weeks as other guys. He is

466
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 4: like the perfect like you said, like he's a cheaper

467
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 4: version of the golf great stacking option. You know, I

468
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 4: love who Gonna co even though you know he's at

469
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 4: his ceiling right now. Near the top five being at

470
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 4: Cooper Cup cheap. One of my favorite late round receivers

471
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 4: right now is DeMarcus Robinson. So I think when you

472
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 4: take Stafford, you are stacking him. That's that's how you

473
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 4: maximize his ceiling. So he's just a tricky guy to

474
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 4: kind of navigate. But yeah, he's a guy that in

475
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 4: Bestball you have to stack him with the other guys.

476
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 4: This is you know, one of the highest scoring offenses

477
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 4: in the league because of Matthew Stafford. So that's kind

478
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 4: of how I would handle him. And yes, he's like

479
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 4: a cheap, much cheaper version of Jared Gonson.

480
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean at this point, I mean, I think

481
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 2: the data kind of points to you really want to

482
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 2: stack every quarterback you haven't in bastball at this point,

483
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 2: but I don't.

484
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 3: I don't think the So that's the one thing.

485
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 2: I don't think the lack of rushing upside hurts him

486
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 2: in basket ball that much because you are, you know,

487
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 2: you do want the receivers to get, you know, as

488
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 2: much as possible. I think the toughest thing is just, yeah,

489
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 2: like you said, getting.

490
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 3: The pooka nakula.

491
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 2: But I like it because you know, in terms of

492
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 2: if you look at Week seventeen, they play the Cardinals,

493
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 2: which is a nice, nice matchup for that that championship week.

494
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 2: So if you're doing like a week seventeen game stack

495
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 2: in best Ball, you know, even if you you just

496
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 2: have some Cardinals and you miss out on Kyler Murray,

497
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 2: like you can go Stafford and DeMarcus Robinson and still

498
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 2: have at least like a a stack that you got

499
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 2: really cheap that could still have some value. So I

500
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 2: like him in I do like him in basketball, and yeah,

501
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 2: in redraft, I think it's he's just gonna be one

502
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 2: of those streaming quarterbacks that he'll have a bunch of

503
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 2: good matchups throughout the year, especially because, like you know,

504
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 2: the Rams are playing indoors, their defense probably won't be

505
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 2: that great. So yeah, I mean even the first two

506
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 2: weeks of the season, the Rams, you know, at at Detroit,

507
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 2: at Arizona, some nice matchups right right there, right off

508
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 2: the bat. So the fantasy playoffs, I think is where

509
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: it's before week seventeen, you know, at San Francisco week fifteen,

510
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 2: at the Jets week sixteen.

511
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 3: That's that's not ideal, but.

512
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 2: He's there's gonna be a bunch of weeks streaming wise

513
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 2: where I think, you know, he's gonna be very valuable.

514
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, TOWB eighteen, I do like him again.

515
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 2: I think this is kind of the sweet spot for

516
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 2: quarterbacks that at fourteen to eighteen range.

517
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Speaker 3: And before we.

518
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Speaker 2: Move on, I just want to pause really quick to

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Speaker 2: four QB nineteen Kirk Cousins, He's he's another tough one.

531
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 2: Another one of these pocket passers. Could be undervalued, could

532
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 2: be overvalued. I think I do have some questions about

533
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: the Achilles recovery, you know, kind of learning a bit

534
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 2: of a new offense, some new players you know, well,

535
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: rehaving an injury, but I mean he does average seven

536
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 2: point six yards per time for his career.

537
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 3: It's very good.

538
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 1: You know.

539
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 2: So he's been good with Justin Jefferson and guys like that.

540
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 2: He's been good even without them. So where are you

541
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 2: on On Cousins, you know, thirty six years old, coming

542
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 2: off the Achilles, new team, the Atlanta Falcons.

543
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I have him right around here QB

544
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 4: nineteen And you know, the Achilles injury obviously present some risk,

545
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 4: but I'm less worried about it with him specifically, just

546
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 4: because he is a strict pocket passer. I will say,

547
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 4: you know, it's you know, probably going to limit how

548
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 4: much practice time he gets and build chemistry with the

549
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 4: new team, the new offense, so that that could actually

550
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 4: hurt him in that regard, But I think either way,

551
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 4: he's going to significantly boost this entire offense. You know,

552
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 4: guys like Drake Lendon and Kyle Pitts have been held

553
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 4: back the first couple of seasons of their career. I

554
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 4: think he's going to help unlock that. I don't know

555
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 4: if this move really helps Kirk Cousins. He's coming away

556
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,360
Speaker 4: from you know, top tier talent like you know, Justin

557
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 4: Jefferson are the best receiver in the league, Jordan Addison

558
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 4: and TJ. Hawkinson. So I don't really think this boosts

559
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins specifically. I think he's going to help boost

560
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 4: everybody else around him. So, you know, similar to you know,

561
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 4: other quarterbacks like Golf and Tua, I'm just more interested

562
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 4: in drafting their actual pass catchers than the quarterback himself.

563
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 4: So that's why I'm saying I think QB nineteen is

564
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 4: probably fair for him. But I'm very bullish on you know,

565
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 4: Drake Lennon, finally Kyle Pitts heading into the season because

566
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 4: of Kirk Cousins.

567
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think that's a great way to

568
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 2: put it. It's you know, I mean the past, the

569
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 2: supporting cast better be better, be on par with everywhere everywhere else.

570
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: They used what four three top ten picks on on

571
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 2: that that supporting cast, you know what I mean, You

572
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: got Jon, you got London.

573
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 3: Pit, so it better be. But yeah, hell, they.

574
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 4: Even spent a top ten pick on his backup, right, Yeah, Michael,

575
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 4: I mean that.

576
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: You know, that's another thing that it's I guess a

577
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 2: little worrisome just because you know, if there is setbacks

578
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 2: from the Achilles or whatnot, you know, maybe they go

579
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: to Panixoro even though they said they don't want to.

580
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think with all.

581
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 2: The questions, I think QB nineteen is kind of the

582
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: fair spot because you just don't you know, he has

583
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 2: the upside just like all these other guys do, but

584
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 2: you just you do have some some question marks.

585
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 3: There's a lot not much to go off of in terms.

586
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 2: Of him in this offense, a lot of new pieces

587
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: going around. So yeah, that's I want to I'm waiting

588
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 2: to kind of hear some more updates as the offseason progresses.

589
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 2: If things sound good, maybe he'll bump up a spot

590
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 2: or two. But yeah, for right now, I think that's

591
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: QB nineteen is where it needs to be. QB twenty

592
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: is Deshaun Watson. I mean, I mean, I'll just read

593
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: the numbers. Houston to Cleveland, Houston sixty eight percent completion,

594
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: Cleveland sixty Houston eight point three yards in attempt Cleveland

595
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: six and a half, Houston five point nine percent touchdown

596
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: rate Cleveland four point one, Houston two point one percent

597
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: interception rate Cleveland two point six.

598
00:28:54,040 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 3: Like, is his dude broken or is he like, what

599
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 3: is he gonna? I don't know.

600
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: It just feels like he's kind of broken. And I

601
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: don't know if it was like a mental break, if

602
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: it was a physical if it was if it was

603
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 2: like mental in twenty twenty two and then physical in

604
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. But like both years, he played six

605
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: games with the Browns and average six and a half

606
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: yards for a tent, which is not going to cut it.

607
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: So so what do you, like, what are your thoughts

608
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 2: on Watson? And like, how how much are you factoring

609
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: in what we know is his ceiling versus just what

610
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: he's put on the field these last two years.

611
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be a mixture of all the above.

612
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 4: I mean, he's away from football for a while for

613
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 4: obvious reasons, and you know, could have taken a toll

614
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 4: on his mental health got rusty. But he's been back

615
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 4: long enough to where it is, you know, what the

616
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 4: hell's going on? To be fair, you know, he's playing

617
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 4: in Houston more of a domed environment that it seems

618
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 4: like every game at Cleveland we're dealing with, you know,

619
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 4: twenty plus hour mile hour winds, snow, So it's a

620
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 4: different environment to throw in that could be kind of

621
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 4: why his completion percentage is take gonna hit But Jo

622
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 4: laughs at this, Oh, I know, right, well, but yeah,

623
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 4: I mean it's clear he's yet to regain his form

624
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 4: as being like a top five quarterback. When he was

625
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 4: with the Texans last year, you know, he did he

626
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 4: had five games where he started and he played the

627
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 4: whole game. He finished in the top twelve, and three

628
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 4: of those that would rank tenth on the season in

629
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 4: terms of you know, top twelve finishes. So you know,

630
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 4: he did kind of flashed out last year. Like you

631
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 4: allude to, Joe Flacco really thrived in this offense at

632
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 4: the at the end of last season.

633
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 2: So the year before Brissette was was better than what

634
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: that's I think that's the like, yeah, you can think

635
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 2: that's a red flagger.

636
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: No, I don't know, you can show either way you

637
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: can go.

638
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 4: It's like there is the potential that he could figure

639
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 4: it out in this This offense does allow a quarterback

640
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 4: to go off. The fact that Brissette and Flacco did

641
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 4: and Watson didn't, it's certainly a negative sign.

642
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: But you know, I think going into the season, the

643
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: Browns you know, could lean more on the passing game.

644
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: Nick Shubb.

645
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 4: We'll talk about him on the running back Pod, but

646
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 4: you know, he probably won't be ready for Week one.

647
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 4: Who knows if he'll ever regain his form. So it

648
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 4: could be a different offense where they are more pass

649
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 4: heavy like we saw with Joe Flacco. You know, they

650
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 4: added Jerry Judy. Say what you will about him, but

651
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 4: he's still a good receiver. Could boost Watson's value. So

652
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 4: I think in this, let's face it, he is pretty

653
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 4: cheap at quarterback twenty one, so I'm QB twenty. He's

654
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 4: a guy in this range where you're just rolling the

655
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 4: dice anyway in some of these guys. We know that

656
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 4: he does have that upside, So I'm not here to

657
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 4: say that he'll ever return to that for him, but

658
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 4: I think in this range he is absolutely worth a

659
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 4: dice roll here or there, just because he has that

660
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 4: known upside that you're kind of looking for in this range.

661
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I like him. I actually it's another guy

662
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: who I actually prefer in redraft, just because you know,

663
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: you can kind of pick your spots a little bit better.

664
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: Like you said, you know, Cleveland's gonna have a bunch

665
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: of weather games. The defense is really good, that's another

666
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,479
Speaker 2: difference between you know, Houston and in Cleveland. Uh, but

667
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: you know, in the in terms of best ball, it's

668
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,479
Speaker 2: like you're not only battling the efficiency, you're battling the

669
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: durability which just hasn't been there and kind of concerning,

670
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: you know, just the you know, with the shoulder and

671
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,959
Speaker 2: like he was throwing and then he wasn't throwing at

672
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: times last year and it's you know this, I could

673
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 2: see this being a headache, uh, you know, for the

674
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: rest of his career kind of kind of things. So

675
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: I kind of preferm in redraft where you can kind

676
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 2: of okay, if he's healthy and the Browns have a

677
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: decent matchup and it's not gonna be the weather's not

678
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: gonna be too crazy, all right, let's let's lock him in.

679
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 3: But if not, yeah, let's let's forget about it. Best ball.

680
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I guess the upside there is you

681
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: probably you're probably looking to stack him with Cooper in

682
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: a djoku and just hoping for the best.

683
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

684
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: Uh there, But yeah, I'm I'm I'm definitely concerned because,

685
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,719
Speaker 2: like you said, it's been two years and we just

686
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: really haven't seen it in the same way, he just

687
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: doesn't look great at an He's never really at any point.

688
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: I mean even when he's finished top twelve, I mean,

689
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: it hasn't looked great.

690
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: Ye just kind of he's kind of gotten there.

691
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: But speaking of not looking great, Aaron Rodgers before he

692
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: went down, so twenty twenty two, his final year with

693
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: Green Bay, he didn't look great. No top five finishes

694
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: in Fantasy only won finish higher than QB twelve in

695
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two.

696
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 3: Now we know he had like a thumb issue, but

697
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 3: he's also old.

698
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 2: So and his defense is elite, So I am not

699
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: I'm not excited at all about Rogers. He's kind of

700
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: in this purgatory though, because it's like talent wise, it's like, okay,

701
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: you get why he's QB twenty one, but then it's

702
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 2: a one two factor in the defense, and you know

703
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: the age and how he looked last year or last

704
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: time he was on the field for a full season,

705
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: Like is he really you know, gonna outscore guys like

706
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: Mayfield and go.

707
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 3: That's that's up for debate. So where are you on

708
00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 3: on a rod Well?

709
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this time last year we were trying to,

710
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 4: you know, figure out how he'd look in the Jets

711
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 4: offense and here we are again consider it, because I

712
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 4: mean it was unfortunate. You know, he had the season

713
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 4: ending a Chilly's injury.

714
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: One.

715
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 4: I think he did attempt one pass, but we never

716
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 4: really got to see how he look And you know,

717
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 4: as he alluded to, he was already showing signs of

718
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 4: decline in his final season with the Packers in twenty

719
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 4: twenty two. So two years removed. Now he's forty one

720
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 4: this year. You know, half to assume he's he's declining

721
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 4: behind the scenes, but you know, it's one of those

722
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 4: things where he's going to sort of elevate the offense.

723
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: As a whole.

724
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 4: You know, I'm mainly fascinated to see how Garrett Wilson

725
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 4: does with a functioning quarterback. Darreck Wilson had another year

726
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 4: of you know, Zach Wilson, Trevor Simmy and Tim Boyle,

727
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 4: and I didn't realize it. Aaron Rodgers only has one

728
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 4: career touchdown pass to a first round pick, so Eric

729
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 4: has never had a well. DeVonta Adams is extremely talented, however,

730
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, exactly had a.

731
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: First round caliber receiver.

732
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 4: But you know, it's it's going to be fun to

733
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 4: watch Garrett Wilson having, you know, future Hall of Fame

734
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 4: quarterback like Aaron Rodgers. But in terms of Rogers specifically,

735
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 4: how could you get excited at taking him here at

736
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 4: QB twenty one. You know, no real rushing upside, and

737
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 4: you mentioned they have a really good defense, so he's

738
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 4: just not going to have much passing volume. They're probably

739
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 4: going to be a much better team with him, you know,

740
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 4: being an efficient quarterback, great defense, so he just probably

741
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 4: won't have to throw that much to warrant a pick here.

742
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: I have him QB twenty.

743
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 4: So it's one of those things where if you want

744
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 4: to take him here at times, go for it, But

745
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 4: it's hard to get like real real excited over him

746
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 4: with some of the other guys in this range. But yeah,

747
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 4: I have him right around here at QB twenty.

748
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, I mean, I think, I guess

749
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: the one reason to get excited if they trade for

750
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 2: Devonte Adams, which oh god, it's sounding like I mean

751
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 2: more and more likely, then I mean, I think that

752
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: would signal that they're at least trying to be more

753
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: of a balanced or even past heavy offense, So that

754
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 2: that would that would increase him, you know, bump him

755
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: up a few spots for for me, you know, probably

756
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: into that QB seventeen ish range right around you know,

757
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: maybe right above Stafford or right right around there, you know,

758
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: but as it stands, yeah, I would, I would just

759
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 2: kind of want to just wet this that bottom of

760
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: that tier end and just get like a super cheap

761
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: yeah Will Webbs or somebody like that, almost just because

762
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: I think that the you know, the running backs, wide receivers,

763
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: you know, an extra round or two of having you know,

764
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: your choice of those guys, I think probably would mean

765
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: more at that this point in the draft than drafting

766
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. But yeah, if they trade for Devan Devonte Adams,

767
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: that that kind of it signals more than just Okay,

768
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 2: he's getting you know, a better supporting cast. It signals

769
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: like you're serious about throwing the football, you know, with

770
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: with this guy, even though.

771
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 3: He's entering his age forty one season.

772
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's because if not, it's then you're just

773
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: talking about like an old quarterback and Hacket coordinated offense,

774
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: like good defense, not not the ideal Baker Baker mayfields

775
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 2: next up QB twenty two. I think The worry for

776
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: me with him is, you know, Dave Canalis is now

777
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: the head coach of the Panthers. He was kind of

778
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 2: credited with turning around first Gino Smith and then Mayfield

779
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: last year in his loan year as the Bucks offensive coordinator.

780
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 2: H So, you know, without Canalis Gino last year, his

781
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: complete completion rate dropped over five points, his yards per

782
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: attempt went down, his touchdown rate went down, his passer.

783
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 3: Rating dropped nearly nine points.

784
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: Uh So you could see kind of similar with with Baker.

785
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: I think you know that there's kind of that under

786
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: underlying risk there, and this is a guy who you know,

787
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: he was kind of a journeyman just like a few

788
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 2: like a two years ago. Then he had a really

789
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: good year last year. So how do you how are

790
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: you kind of balancing all that out with Baker?

791
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, I think this the next two

792
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 4: qbs and Baker and Gino are kind of like QB

793
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 4: dead zone for me. I guess you could say it's

794
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 4: the Dave Canalis effect because you know, Gino's drop off

795
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 4: happened after he left Baker.

796
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 1: You know, he looked great last year.

797
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 4: He finally he found a home after Cleveland you know,

798
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 4: he led the Bucks to a playoff win, so you know,

799
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 4: I think when it comes to him, he's he's a

800
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 4: low ceiling option, but he does offer high flour where

801
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 4: this is the range where if you can get a

802
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 4: guy who's pretty much a lock to start seventeen games

803
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 4: if he's healthy, he does provide that sort of stability.

804
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 4: But other than that, very low ceiling option, you know,

805
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 4: QB twenty two. He's not the kind of guy this

806
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 4: is in the range I'm really taking guys like that.

807
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 4: So I think that some of the concern would be

808
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 4: if he does take a potential step back without Dave Canalis,

809
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 4: which is certainly possible.

810
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: But I think he's a guy that.

811
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 4: Kind of makes more sense if you're in a two

812
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 4: QB league and you just want you know, high four options,

813
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 4: take them, but other than that, you know, very low

814
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 4: ceiling option. He finished top twelve. His top twelve rate

815
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 4: was twenty fourth in the position, So this this seems

816
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 4: about right for him. But I'm typically trying to get

817
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 4: you know, guys like Daniels or Caleb Williams earlier. If

818
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 4: I'm if I'm going for a QB two option.

819
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is just if you're, yeah, like best ball,

820
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 2: maybe you drafted Evans or Godwin or both early and

821
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: trying to stack, or yeah, you just need a guy

822
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: to kind of fill out fill out your roster, but

823
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 2: not really excited. I do think there is some kind

824
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: of potentially overlooked drop off with Canals going to Carolina.

825
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 3: Gino Smith.

826
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 2: You know, he was a quarterback twenty two and Fantasy

827
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 2: points per game among quarterbacks that played at least eight

828
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: games last year, so you know he's going right in

829
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: kind of what he did last year. I think, I mean,

830
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 2: I think he has more upside than he showed last year.

831
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 2: I think he got if I remember correctly, there was

832
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 2: a bad bad luck in terms of touchdowns in the

833
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 2: red zone, a bunch of times where they just couldn't

834
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 2: come up with a score. I don't know how much

835
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 2: just that's on Geno and how much that was just

836
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: bad luck. I think it's a mix of both. But

837
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: I guess my question is, you know, you have DK,

838
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 2: you have Smith and Jigbay entering your two locket is

839
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 2: still good, you know, do it? Does Gino have any

840
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 2: upside here or is it kind of offset by the

841
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: fact that you got Sam Howell.

842
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 3: Now awaiting in the wings as the QB two.

843
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not really loving Gino here. This is about

844
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 4: where I have him ranked. But yeah, he really came

845
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 4: back down to earth last season after having that career

846
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty two. Again, maybe that's due to Dave Canalis,

847
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 4: who knows. The thing with Gino is he's thirty three

848
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 4: years old. He's been kind of a journeyman, so he's

849
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 4: not really guaranteed to bounce back to his twenty twenty

850
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 4: two form. The thing the saving grace with him is

851
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 4: I still think he has one of the best wide

852
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 4: receiver trios in the game, So I think that that

853
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 4: certainly elevates Gino, but he might not have as much

854
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 4: job security as he's had in the past couple of seasons.

855
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 4: Like you said, you know, they brought in Sam Howell.

856
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 4: I think Gino is a lot to start Week one,

857
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 4: but if he does continue to falter, just makes it

858
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 4: more likely, you know, they could switch to Sam Howell.

859
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 4: I think the chances of that are still pretty low,

860
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 4: but in this range you don't want to be taking

861
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 4: too much risk with the lack of real upside there.

862
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 4: So that's why he's a tricky guy that I'm not

863
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 4: this is the range. I'm probably just not drafting guys

864
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 4: like Baker or Gino. There's some other guys that we're

865
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 4: gonna talk about that I much rather have if they're

866
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 4: still available in this range.

867
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the I think Geno Baker more best

868
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: ball stack type guys.

869
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Two B twenty four Will Levis.

870
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: I think he's interesting because the skill group is sneaky good.

871
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 2: You got Hopkins, Calvin Ridley, and Tyler Boyd at wide out,

872
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 2: Chicakonko at tight end, Tony Poward and ta j Spears

873
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 2: at running back. So you got guys who you know

874
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: can catch the ball and you know a plus receiving

875
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: corps the old lines, I think there's still question marks.

876
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: But you do have Callahan coming over to be the

877
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: head coach. You know, he was an off of the

878
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: coordinator at Cincinnati, did not call the plays. But did

879
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: you know overseeing offense that over his five years seventieth

880
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: percentile and pass attempts top seven in pass attempts three times,

881
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: including each of the last two years. So I think

882
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: this people might be underrating how different this offense looks

883
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 2: in terms, you know, schematically, in terms of you know,

884
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: the path rate in you know, the amount of uh,

885
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: you know, three plus receiver person that we see on

886
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: the field I think will increase drastically. You know, this

887
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 2: isn't just like a Mike Rabel defense first team with

888
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 2: some no name, uh, you know, no name coordinator anymore

889
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 2: like this is, you know, NOAs more. I think shapes

890
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: more into kind of like an offense first team with

891
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 2: Callahan here.

892
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 3: So what do you think of will Evis?

893
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: Yeah?

894
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 4: No, I think he showed enough flashes upside in his

895
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 4: rookie season to be considered a potential year two breakout.

896
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 4: And like you mentioned, this offense is expected to be

897
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 4: more pass heavy in the post Derreck Henry Era.

898
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: Uh.

899
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 4: And I love the trie of receivers they gave him

900
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 4: this year, with you know, bringing in Calvi Ridley, they

901
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 4: still have DeAndre Hopkins, Tyler Boyd. So I love the

902
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 4: supporting cast. And yeah, Q twenty four sounds about right

903
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 4: for him. But you know, guys like Ridley Hopkins, I

904
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 4: think they're cheap as well. So we've talked about it.

905
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 4: This is one of my favorite cheap best ball stacks

906
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 4: and it's pretty easy to get, you know, three or

907
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 4: four of these guys with Levis. So I think in

908
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 4: terms of best ball, love it, and this team is

909
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 4: very stackable. And again it's gonna be much much different

910
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 4: the new coaching regime and without Derek Henry in the mix.

911
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 3: Yeah that's yeah.

912
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: Another Yeah, it's it's just it's not that same run heavy,

913
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: you know, defense first kind of team, I think, And

914
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 2: that might catch some people off guard. And you know,

915
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: I mean they brought in Mason Rudolph Willis is still there,

916
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: but I mean it would seem, you know, Mason Rudup

917
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 2: be in the backup. It would seem that Levis kind

918
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: of gets a year to just, you know, for better

919
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 2: or worse, just show what he's got. If he's terrible,

920
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: they'll just reevaluate next year. If he's great, great. So

921
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: I think he's a guy. You know, we're kind of

922
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: worried about Gino a little bit.

923
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 3: I don't.

924
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: I think webs might actually have you know, more of

925
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 2: a you know, secure role, you know role in terms

926
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 2: of game start projection than a guy like Gino Smith.

927
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I like, I like Levis here at

928
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 2: QB twenty four. What about outside the top twenty four?

929
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 2: Any guys you got your eye on they're just like

930
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: Dart Froze.

931
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:24,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the one guy.

932
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 4: I think his ADP is too low as Daniel Jones

933
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 4: at QB twenty seven. Some sites he goes as late

934
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 4: as like QB twenty nine. So I'm shocked that he's

935
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 4: going like just inside the top thirty. And you know,

936
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 4: there's definitely some concerns there. You know, he's coming back

937
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 4: from the ACL tear, so he might not be ready

938
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 4: week one. Even if he is, you know, he could

939
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 4: have less rushing upside than we've seen. But I'm assuming

940
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 4: if he if he's playing, he's healthy enough to still scramble.

941
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 4: That's that's still a huge part of his game. So

942
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 4: I think that that that's probably worth you know, considering.

943
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 4: But he's still so cheap that, you know, if he

944
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 4: can remotely return to form, I have him culture.

945
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: Like QB eighteen.

946
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 4: But I think he has arguably the best catching weapon

947
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 4: of his career in Milik Neighbors, So I think that's

948
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 4: really going to help him in the passing game. You know,

949
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 4: he's definitely much more of a best ball option. He's

950
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 4: a very volatile quarterback week to week, just based on

951
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,959
Speaker 4: his natural volatility and rushing stats. So I think he's

952
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 4: a great best ball target. But you know, anytime you

953
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 4: get to the you know, top twenty or once you're

954
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 4: outside of the top twenty five, there's a ton of

955
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 4: risk you're taking out you don't even know if they're

956
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 4: going to.

957
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: Start most of the games.

958
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 4: I think Daniel Jones has less questions than anybody else

959
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 4: in this range, and he has that known upside. I

960
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 4: mean he's he's been like a top ten quarterback at

961
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 4: times in his career, and now he has a guy

962
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 4: like the elite neighbors. So I think he's probably my

963
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 4: favorite sort of flyer outside of this range. And I

964
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 4: don't even can him a flyer. I think just it's

965
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 4: really around his health and I'm not too concerned about it.

966
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 4: So I think Daniel Jones outside the top twenty five

967
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 4: is my favorite QB flyer.

968
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like him as well.

969
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 2: And you have the quote quote from a GM Joe

970
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: Shane saying we didn't pay Daniel Jones forty million dollars

971
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: to hand off to a twelve million dollar back and

972
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 2: talking about Saquon, So I mean, yeah, you could see

973
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 2: a little bit more pass heavy, especially now that you've

974
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 2: got neighbors to kind of solidify that that receiving corps,

975
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: and he still does have that rushing upside, and there's

976
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 2: no Saquon here to you know, be the focal point

977
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: of the offense, which is a bad thing in terms

978
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: of maybe some efficiency, but again you're also getting like

979
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 2: a great receiver in Neighbors. So yeah, I like Jones's well.

980
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: I think the biggest question is, you know, is he

981
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: going to be back to full health by week one?

982
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 2: Looks like he is, but there's always question marks there.

983
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: But I think he has a big upside as well.

984
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: I think he would be a top twenty guy if

985
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 2: if we knew he was going to be healthy and

986
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 2: have that job, you know, a per game basis. Another

987
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: guy I like his, Bryce Young. I think he's interesting

988
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 2: just because we talked about that Canalis bump. Well, now

989
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: Bryce Young could be the guy in line to get it.

990
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 2: And you know, seeing Geno Smith, seeing Baker Mayfield putting

991
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: career years under Canais, you're talking about a number one

992
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,439
Speaker 2: overall pick. You're getting Deontay Johnson, one of the better

993
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: route runners in the league.

994
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: Xavier l Get.

995
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,439
Speaker 2: You know, a young rookie I think should be better

996
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 2: than Mingo from from day one, so you got you

997
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: got an improved supporting cast. A line should be a

998
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 2: lot better. The interior line, which you know, interior pressure

999
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: is gonna hurt a guy who's not that tall like young.

1000
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: So I think he's you know, for a guy that

1001
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 2: you know tends to go outside the top twenty four,

1002
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: you could get him free.

1003
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 3: And he's a cheap stack in basketball. And he's also a.

1004
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: Guy that he might end up, you know, beating a lot.

1005
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 3: Of these other guys that are like we.

1006
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, he's in the high twenties or low teens.

1007
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 3: He could beat some of those guys out as well.

1008
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: So I like him for the value and one other

1009
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: guy I'll mention more of a long shot. But you know,

1010
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 2: we've talked about McCarthy and you know, Minnesota and just

1011
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 2: how but.

1012
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: The supporting cast is.

1013
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 2: But it sounds like Sam Donald's gonna start the year

1014
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: as the QB one, And I think that there's they

1015
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 2: kind of look at him like a Kirk Cousin's light

1016
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 2: and I think, you know, any when we've seen Donald

1017
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: with competent supporting cast, he's played competently. So he's another

1018
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: guy that I'm kind of monitoring because I think he

1019
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: he could be interesting as like a guy who could

1020
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 2: put up similar numbers to to Cousins, you know, throwing

1021
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 2: to Jefferson and Addison and you know, Hockinson down the stretch.

1022
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, McCarthy's looking less and less

1023
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: likely to start a bunch of games. So I mean, McCarthy,

1024
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 2: I'm looking at him too. But Donald's a guy that

1025
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: no one's really been mentioning, but he could actually you know,

1026
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: have some decent value in the realm of those you know,

1027
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: low end quarterback twos or even mid range quarterback twos

1028
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 2: in this offense, you know, playing indoors. So Donald's the

1029
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 2: guy I'm starting to get him our radar bit as well.

1030
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I think I think that makes a ton

1031
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 4: of sense. I could see them potentially wanting to just

1032
00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 4: kind of red shirt McCarthy the season. It's well, what

1033
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 4: is that saying. I think the most likely games that

1034
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 4: Donald would start would be the first eight compared to

1035
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 4: the last and unfortunately that's when TJ. Hopkinson might not

1036
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 4: be playing. And who knows what's up with Jordan Addison.

1037
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 4: You know, he just recently got arrested again for you know,

1038
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 4: driving purposes, but you know, he might miss the first

1039
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 4: handful of games, so he might only have Justin Jefferson,

1040
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 4: which is, you know, fine, but Donald might not have

1041
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 4: the full supporting guest in the games that he's expected

1042
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 4: to start. But I could see him end up starting,

1043
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 4: you know, ten plus games this here, so I think, yeah,

1044
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 4: definitely worth worth a flyer, way way later in drafts.

1045
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 3: All right, So just.

1046
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 2: To recap, who are your favorite guys in outside the

1047
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 2: top twelve.

1048
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 4: I mean it's gotta be both rookie quarterbacks, you know,

1049
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 4: Kayleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, I think, you know, Trevor Lawrence,

1050
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 4: and Justin Herbert maybe to a lesser extent or interesting

1051
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 4: as well. Sort of in this range is probably the

1052
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 4: cheapest you'll ever get them in the next you know,

1053
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 4: five plus years. Guys like her cousins Matthew Stafford. I'm

1054
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 4: more interested in investing in the parts of their offense,

1055
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 4: and then way way way later on we'll live out

1056
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 4: Will Levis for Titan Stacks and way way later on.

1057
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones is sort of a late flyer outside of

1058
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:19,919
Speaker 4: the top twenty five.

1059
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like I like Daniels, Cable Williams as well.

1060
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 2: Uh do like Stafford some is like you know, one

1061
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 2: of the later pocket quarterbacks, you know, instead of going.

1062
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 3: Like Tu or Golf.

1063
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: Uh And then I do like Levis and Daniel Jones,

1064
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 2: Bryce Young.

1065
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: Wait.

1066
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 2: So yeah, a lot of options here in this QB

1067
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 2: two tiers, So especially in redraft weight round quarterback viable strategy,

1068
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 2: best boy. The more teams are entering, the more you

1069
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 2: want to want to get exposure to, you know, a

1070
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: variety of quarterbacks, but overall for value purposes and when

1071
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 2: in the draft come to you, I think more often

1072
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 2: than that teams were better the longer you wait on quarterback,

1073
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 2: or at least wait till you know that kind of

1074
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 2: see who falls out of that. You know, Tier two

1075
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: we talked about last pod, you know with the Dax

1076
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: and those guys. But a lot of options in this

1077
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 2: range outside of the top twelve as well. So that

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Speaker 3: Part one is out now on the feed.

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