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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noah.

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Speaker 3: They call be Ben.

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Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Dylan the

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Speaker 4: Tennessee pal Fagan.

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Speaker 3: Most importantly, you are here.

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Speaker 4: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know,

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Speaker 4: So welcome back everybody. This is going to be a

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Speaker 4: fun one for us. A literal and metaphorical deep dive.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 4: Remember a little while back. For a while now, we've

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Speaker 4: been exploring rumors about secret underground cities and networks.

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Speaker 5: I'm doing a little urban lunking down the caves.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And earlier this year on listener mail, we

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Speaker 2: heard from somebody named Pure told us a little something

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Speaker 2: something about a place that we're gonna explore today.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I can't not think about when I hear Denton, Texas.

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Speaker 6: There's this Mountain Goat song called the best ever death

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Speaker 6: metal band out of Denton, and it ends with a

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Speaker 6: a chorus of Hail Satan, Hail Satan, tonight's hail Satan.

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Speaker 2: It's it's fells.

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Speaker 5: Are we talking about Satan today? Is there there be Satan?

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Speaker 3: We're always kind of talking about Satan.

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Speaker 5: I suppose he's always hanging in the background over so

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Speaker 5: with shoulder, the right shoulder.

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Speaker 4: I think. So we asked you, our fellow conspiracy realist,

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Speaker 4: to help us identify more of these alleged subterranean Heidi

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Speaker 4: holes and friends and neighbors.

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Speaker 3: You delivered. We have been.

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Speaker 4: Astonished by how much how much response we got, and

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Speaker 4: it seems that the United States at least is positively

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Speaker 4: riddled with little known underground secrets. So, thanks to the

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Speaker 4: hidden underground complex. It might be new to a lot

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Speaker 4: of us in the crowd. There's a little town called Denton, Texas,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just north of big old Dallas, Little Denton underneath

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Speaker 4: So we'll pause for a word from our sponsors, get

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Speaker 4: our shovels and dig in. Here are the facts, all right, Denton, Texas.

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Speaker 4: Like we said, it's north central Texas. If you pull

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Speaker 4: main city of the epononymous Denton County. This is part

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Speaker 5: We went to a conference or something there.

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Speaker 6: And I actually had a layover at DFW last week,

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Speaker 2: I can only imagine that that place has a ton

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Speaker 4: You have to be careful at the Dallas Fort Worth

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, little Labyrinthine. I'm glad.

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Speaker 6: I just you know, sallied Forth, you know, unperturbed. If

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Speaker 4: Now we didn't make it out to dent it that

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, at least they're not like really jumping the

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Speaker 4: He's very much a great candidate for ridiculous history. He's

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Speaker 5: What horrific acts did this fellow get up to?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, history has proven that maybe he was treated as

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Speaker 4: for this. In fact, they may be a little irritated

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Speaker 2: I want to explore the waterways that Pure told us about.

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Speaker 2: That just a full disclosure everybody. For this episode. We're

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Speaker 2: if you think about Denton, a city like that, or

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Speaker 5: Of bad for like water resources. The spin that boy

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Speaker 3: What was his spin?

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Speaker 6: Just just immediately pivoting to we try to be good

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Speaker 5: Oh tight, yeah, non answer type stuff.

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Speaker 4: So a little bit of conversational parkour. You'll love to

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Speaker 5: Oh we're seeing a lot of that these days.

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Speaker 4: We are across multiple languages and for multiple things. Off

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Speaker 3: That's weird to look.

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Speaker 4: Denton has a ton of tourism websites. If you find

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Speaker 4: Let us know if you're a local. Obviously the best

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Speaker 3: And they seem very cool.

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Speaker 4: Instead, we're here because pure turned us on to the

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Speaker 4: fact that Denton has a secret. Beneath the bustle of

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Speaker 4: there is another kind of Denton It's a secret place that,

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Speaker 4: once upon a time was built to be a final

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Speaker 5: What was we Nike, the shoe company makes me so.

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Speaker 3: Cool?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard getting back to the Greco Roman mythology.

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Speaker 4: I swear we talked in depth about Nike missile bases

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Speaker 2: Should we just give a click understanding of what Nike

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Speaker 6: Ye, last you be picturing an exclusive drop of a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, It's exactly what it is. Nike missiles are.

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Speaker 4: And for anybody playing along at home, the episode that

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Speaker 4: Mickelson Safeguard Complex. It's in North Dakota. Check it out.

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Speaker 4: It looks super weird. We talk at length about the

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Speaker 4: You know what, It's still there, and we can if

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Speaker 5: So don't say anything, dumb guys. That's right.

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Speaker 2: We will always be on Netflix.

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Speaker 3: Here's where it gets crazy, all right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's designed for literally emergency management.

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Speaker 5: Right, it's descriptive. I will give it that.

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Speaker 4: So everybody is super worried about this, and they're not.

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Speaker 5: Brought to you tech.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that was just such a feature, you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, to be in the fifties or in the

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00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 2: Cold War era, knowing that internment had happened not that

444
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 2: long ago, where it could be a lever that the

445
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 2: government pulls at some point to like decide that some

446
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: group of people needs to go away for a while.

447
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Speaker 6: I learned something really interestingly when I was just in Vancouver.

448
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 6: I went to the art gallery, Vancouver Art Gallery, and weirdly,

449
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 6: there is an exhibit there of photo journalist Tameo Wakayama,

450
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 6: and a big part of his work was photographing the

451
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 6: civil rights movement, many of the images being from right

452
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 6: here in Atlanta. Seeing like young John Lewis and all

453
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 6: that stuff was really trippy being that far away from home.

454
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 6: But he was a Canadian, a Japanese Canadian who was

455
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 6: went through the exact same thing there in Canada, where

456
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 6: Japanese Canadians were also relocated and stripped of property and

457
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 6: put in these sort of you know, siloed areas, these

458
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 6: ghettos kind of and I had no idea that that

459
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 6: was going on.

460
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Speaker 2: I didn't know that.

461
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Speaker 5: Yeah, really really interesting. I brought his book.

462
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Speaker 6: It's a book of his work which includes a lot

463
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Speaker 6: of images from from that time and also from the

464
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 6: civil right stuff called enemy alien.

465
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Speaker 5: Highly recommend it, Tameo Wakayama, I'll put it on the list.

466
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Speaker 3: Thank you there.

467
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 4: And and also to your earlier point, the once the

468
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 4: infrastructure exists, it can be used for anything similar to

469
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 4: its original intended purpose. So at the time in the fifties,

470
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 4: you would be surprised, folks, at how close the US

471
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 4: government came to saying, well, why don't we just lock

472
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 4: up anybody that we think is a communist totally?

473
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 3: It's just put them in the same dorms.

474
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: Feeling that hard, Hello, guys, that might be overboard. Why

475
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: don't we just spy on everybody and try to figure

476
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 2: it out?

477
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 4: And then someone said that's exactly what a spy would say,

478
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 4: And they just stared at each other in the boardroom,

479
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 4: and someone was like, hey.

480
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Speaker 3: Guys, I'm gonna get a coffee. It's getting real tense.

481
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 3: Might anybody want a coffee.

482
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: I'll get my own coffee.

483
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 3: I'll get my own coffee.

484
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 5: Maybe some pizza. Want some pizza? Was it grape soda? Sorry?

485
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 5: Back to Texas, Right.

486
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 3: Back to Texas with all this stuff. I love this conversation.

487
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 4: So let's If you pull up the map of Dallas

488
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 4: Fort Worth and scrill up to Denton, you're going to

489
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 4: zoom in and around where Loop two eighty eight meets

490
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 4: US three eighty those are roads. Uh, the you're going

491
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 4: to see an odd complex. It is one of the

492
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 4: biggest nuclear bunkers in all of Cold War history.

493
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's saying something this has been to How is

494
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 6: like a lot of like official type folks, right, yeah, okay, yeah.

495
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 4: Not the good members of Denton's population, good.

496
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 5: People of Dent for themselves.

497
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 6: This is only the top brass had a spot in

498
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 6: the executive bunker.

499
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're saying that the gymnastics Academy isn't going to

500
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: have at least a couple places there.

501
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 5: Come on.

502
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you look at this place from that

503
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: satellite foot as you're talking about there Ben the map,

504
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: it doesn't look like it's much of anything amidst all

505
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 2: those other huge buildings that are around it.

506
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, because this one, the main part of it is underground.

507
00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 3: That part is true.

508
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 4: In the late twentieth century, this was a nuclear civil

509
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 4: defense headquarters, and it was one of the first in

510
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 4: a proposed series of similar facilities. Not all of them

511
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 4: got built nowadays. The thing we're talking about on the

512
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 4: map here is a headquarters for FEMA, the Federal Emergency

513
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 4: Management Agency, and boy, their representatives have a lot to

514
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 4: say about this, because there are all kinds of conspiracies

515
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 4: and all sorts of speculation about what's going on out

516
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 4: there in Denton. Maybe we go to Earl Armstrong. He

517
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 4: did a series of great interviews back in around like

518
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen. He is a At the time, he was

519
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 4: a public information specialist for FEMA, which means, you know.

520
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 5: Our guy.

521
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, spin doctor talks to the media, gives the company line,

522
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 6: the talking points, all that good stuff.

523
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 5: And no shade to anybody that works in public relations.

524
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 6: It's definitely a meaningful gig, but it can also be

525
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 6: a bit of a propaganda machine.

526
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, just just don't do that thing. If you're you

527
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 2: find yourself in that position, don't do that thing where

528
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: everybody knows what happened and then you say like the

529
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: exact opposite of what everybody knows happened.

530
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 6: It's not a good look, not gonna not gonna come

531
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 6: down on the right side of history with that one,

532
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 6: most most out, most of the time.

533
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, the party required you not to believe the evidence

534
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 4: of your eyes.

535
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 5: And so that was their most meaningful Uh yeah, command.

536
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Earl Armstrong is confirming everything that we we

537
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 4: just introduced earlier. Right, this facility is built in Denton

538
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 4: because it's not too close, it's not too far from

539
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 4: the major metro area, and it is also kind of

540
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 4: close to a Nike missile battery. It was just like

541
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 4: at the time, the Nike missile site was just three

542
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 4: or four miles away from the Denton bunker.

543
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

544
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, And you told ks at News out led this.

545
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 5: He said.

546
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 6: The facility came about because in the nineteen fifties, the

547
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 6: Eisenhower administration realized that we needed a place for federal

548
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 6: employees to seek shelter from a nuclear attack. And this

549
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 6: was one of five facilities outside of the Washington, DC area.

550
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 6: It had to be a certain distance away to your point,

551
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 6: ben from a metro area, and it had to be

552
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 6: close to a Nike missile battery. And at the time

553
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 6: there was one just about three or four miles from here.

554
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: And if you look at that map, zoom out a

555
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 2: little bit and just take a look at how far

556
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: away it is from that Dallas Fort Worth area. At

557
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: the time, Dallas. I mean that both both these cities

558
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: are huge.

559
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 5: You get that.

560
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: Airport in the center of them. If atomic bombs hit

561
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: either one of those major metropolitan areas, you may you know,

562
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: you of course have to look at the megatoneage or

563
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: you know, kill a tonage up those bombs. But in

564
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: all likelihood, unless there was one of the big boys

565
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: that hit, people in Denton who were attempting to respond

566
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: to attacks like that would probably be able to continue

567
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: to function. There may be some damage and all that

568
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, but you're likely not going to have

569
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: the type of all out destruction that you'd find at

570
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: the center of where a nuclear bomb is going to go.

571
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 3: Off, right like the ground zero thing.

572
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 4: Everybody check out our previous episode, by the way, on

573
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 4: surviving a nuclear attack.

574
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 3: That was a bracing.

575
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 5: One thing I learned.

576
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 6: From Fallout, the TV show apparently, if you see the

577
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 6: mushroom cloud in the distance and it is larger than

578
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 6: your thumb, then you are going to die.

579
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 5: It is too late for you.

580
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, unless you're right outside the shelter. If you were,

581
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 4: if you happen to have the good fortune after the

582
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 4: side opened in nineteen sixty four, if you happen to

583
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 4: have the good fortune to be just close, just close

584
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 4: enough to run to the fallout shelter, you probably would

585
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 4: have been Okay. This thing had state of the art

586
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 4: air scrubbers and ventilation. The blast doors were thirteen tons, yes, yeah,

587
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 4: And when you get in there are two different underground

588
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 4: stories for living space, dormitories, kitchens, you know, comms, coordination

589
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 4: of cog stuff ping pong.

590
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: I hope, So, because what else are they gonna do?

591
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you need like a contained a contained indoor recreation.

592
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 5: From this room.

593
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe a conversation pit.

594
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 5: Maybe those are coming back, by the way, I love them.

595
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 5: That's a feature.

596
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 4: So fallout shelter, conversation pit, a tower, and a pool

597
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 4: would be.

598
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 3: Nice dream house.

599
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: So but really it had everything you could possibly need.

600
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 2: One of one of the most interesting things to me

601
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: is thinking about kitchens in places like this, and like

602
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: how you actually make food for we said like three

603
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: hundred people, right, And I always think about submarines and

604
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: the the extensive food production that you can have on

605
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: a submarine, which always baffled me, Right, how could you

606
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: possibly have that much supplies? Are that enough supplies to

607
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: feed all of the crew on that submarine for that

608
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: long and then just like cooking inside a submarine like that,

609
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: like how does that work? Where do you vent stuff?

610
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: And you know, just so many questions.

611
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's fascinating.

612
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 4: It sounds like we've gone down some similar rabbit holes

613
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 4: just watching the documentaries about how food prep works on

614
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 4: maybe a carrier, but especially a submarine, and this is

615
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 4: very similar. That's a great comparison because if s hits

616
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 4: the f these folks are basically in an isolated environment.

617
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 4: It's very similar to a submarine. And also I got

618
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 4: to wonder this is for everybody who's ever served on

619
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 4: a submarine in the past, but I've got to wonder

620
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 4: if the fallout shelter had the same informal rules as

621
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 4: the submarines. Like everybody on a sub knows that when

622
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 4: you get really nice dinner or when you get you know,

623
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 4: the steak and the lobster or whatever, they're giving that

624
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 4: to you because it means you're going to be redeployed

625
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 4: or you're your bid is going to be unexpectedly longer.

626
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 4: So you might you might be eating sandwiches for a

627
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 4: month or what. It probably not, but you know, you

628
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 4: might be eating something pretty basic for a while, and

629
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, it's steak night and you

630
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 4: learn that you're sailing for the strait of horror moves.

631
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 5: Okay, jeez, you're talking about hot racking.

632
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 3: Oh that's another thing. Oh geez.

633
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: Or in this case, you know, hey, it's your turn

634
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: to go outside of the bunker and see what's going on.

635
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, you do a little recon Yeah, yeah, you drew

636
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 5: the bad straw.

637
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 4: We hope the suit works don't stay out too long

638
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 4: and they say what happens if I stay out too long?

639
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 3: And they say, just don't man, good luck God this. Yeah.

640
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: In the case of food, if we can just talk

641
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: about that just for a moment, because it was fascinating

642
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: to know that, according to uh so we've read about this,

643
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: this facility could three meals a day for three hundred people,

644
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: like without a problem for thirty days.

645
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 3: It's crazy, Yeah, fifteen hundred meals a day.

646
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just thinking about the actual storage space for

647
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: those rations, right, and like the facilities that you need,

648
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: like I just I wish I could see the menu.

649
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 4: The shelf stable stuff, oh yeah, yeah, slivet freeze dried stuff.

650
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 4: Also the walk in freezers, double as a.

651
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 6: More and a pinch, you know, hopefully not at the

652
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 6: same time. No, I guess it would have to be.

653
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 5: That's yeah. Maybe there was a little divider, you know,

654
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 5: or something.

655
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 3: I don't know.

656
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe you get the really awesome food one night

657
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 4: and you say, hey, why are we pulling out all

658
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 4: the stops on the menu? What's with all this fancy stuff?

659
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 4: And they say, we had to clear one of the

660
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 4: freezers because because Doug is dead.

661
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 5: This tastes a little like Doug. This tastes a little Dougie.

662
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 2: Well, well, see Doug's Doug's gone because he kind of

663
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 2: poisoned most of us accidentally, accidentally classic Doug.

664
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 4: Everybody rolls their eyes, and then we cueue the sitcom

665
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 4: for We cue the sitcom theme for Doug.

666
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 5: Ye do Do Do Do Do Do?

667
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 3: Just great?

668
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 4: This shelter and we don't die in a shelter and

669
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 4: trying to survive.

670
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: That's great.

671
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 6: It feels like a missed opportunity. There hasn't been a

672
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 6: fallout shelter sitcom so many. I mean, it's like a

673
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 6: bottle show, you know. I think of all the kookie

674
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 6: hijinks that the the you know, residents.

675
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 4: Of a of a good follout shelter, might I think.

676
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 4: I think that's a great idea. It also, uh gives

677
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 4: us a chance to follow up with the obsession I

678
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 4: have and I think we all share, which is a

679
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 4: sitcom that a sitcom theme that elaborately explains the weird

680
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 4: premise of the show.

681
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 5: It's just so much better than the actual show. I

682
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 5: love that. We do love that.

683
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: Well, just really quickly, nol. It reminds you of that

684
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: show Avenue five. Did did y'all ever see that? It

685
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: was a kind of It's like, it's like being in

686
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: a bunker, but they're in a spaceship.

687
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 5: It was a space show, right, I'm a family guy guy, right,

688
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 5: that was his deal?

689
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 3: Oh that's the Orville, isn't it now?

690
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 5: Yea, I'm thinking of the Orville.

691
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 6: But Avenue five I think was huge. Laurie, yes, doctor

692
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 6: House himself.

693
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: But it just reminded me of that again, Like we're

694
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: talking about with submarines, right, A spaceship, a submarine, a

695
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: fallout shelter. It's that isolation and anything outside of your

696
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 2: controlled area is either death or probably death.

697
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is this thing in dented. Seriously, this is

698
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 4: top notch stuff for the time. This can survive a

699
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 4: one megaton nuclear blast. It can also Yeah, it could

700
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 4: also function for a bit without outside help. We're talking

701
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 4: it's own drinking well, sanitation procedures for water as best

702
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 4: as they could at the time, laundry facilities, diesel generators,

703
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 4: all of which are great, but all of which have

704
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 4: a limited window of functionality. Right, the generators are no

705
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 4: good if you run out of diesel, and if the

706
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 4: water gets screwed up, then you don't really have an alternative.

707
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 4: They don't have what a freeze dried water, which is

708
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 4: a great idea.

709
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you add?

710
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 5: Warm it up?

711
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 3: Just we'll get a can you just add water?

712
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 2: Proliferates?

713
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 3: I'm writing it down velvet paintings, do you know what? Yeah? Really? Yeah.

714
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 4: We also know that there were duplicates of a lot

715
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 4: of federal level vital records, because this is all about

716
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 4: COEG continuity of government, continuity of operations. So any of

717
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 4: these facilities, like Denton in theory, they would be used

718
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 4: by high ranking government and military leaders up to and

719
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 4: including the president if they happened to be like the

720
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 4: Dallas Fort Worth area when the bombs flew, And they

721
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 4: also they did have they had a clever way of

722
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 4: communicating with the outside world. They could tap into the

723
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 4: emergency broadcast system.

724
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 3: We all know that when.

725
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 5: It's on a test, it's fine. It's been a test.

726
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: Yes, you guys, I didn't know that you could do this,

727
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: and maybe maybe that should be just because we've talked

728
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: we've talked about Faraday cages before, and technology like that skiffs,

729
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 2: things that are meant to keep communications out.

730
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 6: Clear rooms even or like you know, static static free

731
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 6: all that stuff.

732
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 5: Yes, exactly.

733
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 2: I didn't know that you could put copper, the metal

734
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 2: copper in walls, floors, ceilings, and you could create your

735
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: own form of Faraday cage basically to prevent stuff that

736
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: is in that room from being attacked by electromagnetic pulses

737
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: that you might associate with an atomic weapon, right, and

738
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 2: the other forms of it.

739
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 3: I just did.

740
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I didn't know its copper. I always thought,

741
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: you know, lead lined walls, or you know, some other

742
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: specific type of metal that you would need that that

743
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: one just escaped me.

744
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 4: I guess that's why everybody steals copper man to make

745
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 4: their oh bunkers.

746
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 3: That's why that's it.

747
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 4: That's why it's not the meth Okay, it's partially the meth,

748
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 4: but it's also the bunker. So this is cool because right,

749
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 4: like you said, it's a hardened area. They're calm station,

750
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 4: and they've got this neat system of redundant antennas. So

751
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 4: if their normal antennas get blown away in a one

752
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 4: megaton nuclear blast, then they've got three telescoping backup on

753
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 4: antennas on the property. So in theory, right, your first

754
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 4: wave of antennas gets blown out of the water, you

755
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 4: let some time pass, and then you've got these this

756
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 4: other wave of neat antennas that launch up from the

757
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 4: gro right, and they're strong enough with their mechanism that

758
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 4: they can move all the junk that's piled over them.

759
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 3: And that.

760
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 4: There's a note from Armstrong. He says, once you got

761
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 4: those up, you can communicate with whoever might be left.

762
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 3: Jeez. Ouch.

763
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a dark, dark turn there, Armstrong. And they

764
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 4: had they had a lot of redundancy like this. They

765
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 4: also had shock mounts on, you know, their basic utilities,

766
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 4: so that a nuclear blast, just the vibration of it

767
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 4: wouldn't break all the pipes. So again, assuming you made

768
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 4: it to the site in time and convince them to

769
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 4: let you in to this suddenly very exclusive club. You

770
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 4: would survive a nuclear attack.

771
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: That is so nuts. The thought of shock mounting your

772
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,439
Speaker 2: vital systems. I don't think I ever would have thought

773
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: of that. I guess, I guess when you're trying to

774
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 2: solve the problem of the map any massive shockwave, right yeah,

775
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: And then they didn't have bunker busters back then, because

776
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: I don't know how you would even prevent that unless

777
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: you put it deep enough underground, right, right, But that

778
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 2: is so cool to me. It is weird to imagine

779
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: this is all created in you know, the early nineteen sixties,

780
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: like nineteen sixty one technology, right.

781
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's such a rush too. They did a great

782
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 4: given that they were hurried at such a frenetic pace.

783
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 4: They did a great job thinking through contingencies, you know.

784
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but my mind is now already thinking about

785
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: all these cool pieces of tech they've got, right, and integrations.

786
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about the tech that would even exist in

787
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: the nineties or you know, the mid two thousands and

788
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 2: now where we are, like the cool crazy stuff you

789
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 2: could you could create.

790
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 5: When you hear.

791
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 6: About stuff like this too, it also make sure you realize,

792
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 6: like how much of this tech was sort of held

793
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 6: back in a way or wasn't like available to the public.

794
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 5: But they had, you know, stuff that.

795
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, in many cases hasn't been super improved upon, you

796
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 6: know since since those days in terms of like missile

797
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 6: technology and a lot of these like fair day cage

798
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 6: type situations.

799
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 3: It's all alien technology.

800
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, fair, fair enough.

801
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 6: But oh, I was gonna ask, like, are we talking

802
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 6: would they have had like things like mainframe computers. Was

803
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 6: there any sort of digital components, early early computational components

804
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 6: to this type of comms.

805
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 4: Maybe something light, something that we would consider sort of

806
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 4: primitive today. But if so, they did not publicly disclose that,

807
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 4: got it. They just talked about telecoms and radio.

808
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 3: Community casty stuff. Yeah, yeah, just so.

809
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 4: And look, going back to our earlier point, right, at

810
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 4: some time after the honeymoon period of your fallout shelter

811
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 4: wears off, you start thinking about the outside world.

812
00:42:58,560 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 3: So how do you get there?

813
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 4: Turns out they were very worried about those ginormous heavy

814
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 4: doors not opening once they were closed, so they had

815
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 4: a series of escape patches and observation towers. This is

816
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 4: where Doug draws the short straw. This is where you

817
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 4: picked some unlucky JIBBRONI who has to go through a

818
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 4: whole process to open the escape patch, get to the

819
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 4: observation tower. Hope they don't die from fallout. They have

820
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 4: to climb up a ladder, get to open a door,

821
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 4: got to climb in there, got to close the door

822
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 4: so it's kind of air gapped, and then they have

823
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 4: to reach up, and then somebody else has to pull

824
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 4: a chain. It takes fifteen minutes for the hatch to open,

825
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 4: and then you get to see what you can see hopefully.

826
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 5: I love a hatch.

827
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 3: I love a hatch too.

828
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I'm putting that on the dream house list too.

829
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:53,959
Speaker 3: Okay.

830
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 4: Conversation pit, escape patch, tower, pull fallout.

831
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 6: Oh can we also add a tunnel, a secret escape tunnel,

832
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 6: just in case you knows swoop in.

833
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 4: Let's do several tunnels.

834
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 2: I'm maybe getting this wrong. My my reading of this

835
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: was an article from ksat dot com. Yeah, my understanding

836
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 2: is that you would it was in within the facility,

837
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: but almost just like a teeny little extension of the

838
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 2: facility with some of the observation places but not the

839
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: good ones. I think you're talking about ben where you

840
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: actually leave the facility, you know, take a little hike,

841
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 2: then go up to a tower where you can really

842
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: get a good look there. But they didn't. They have

843
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 2: ones that were more like peephole kind of things. Yeah, yeah,

844
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 2: there were also. Yeah, they're also really complicated, where you

845
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: go in a thing, open a thing, close a thing,

846
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: getting up there, and then you look out just a

847
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 2: little peak and then get back in.

848
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 4: Like a little stalkery periscope in the gat.

849
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 5: Yeah and this.

850
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 4: Okay, so we've obviously fallen into a very weird version

851
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 4: of cribs right now, and we're talking about how this

852
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 4: stuff is and how badly we want to live in one,

853
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 4: even without nuclear catastrophe. But maybe it's time to talk turkey.

854
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 4: So what say we pause for a word from our

855
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 4: sponsors and then play a little real estate and see

856
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 4: how much this is actually going to cost us.

857
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 3: Sounds good, We've returned, Okay, bells, whistles, awesome.

858
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 4: The only thing they're missing, of course, is velvet paintings and.

859
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 5: Ping pong tables. Well, they may have had those.

860
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to be the ping pong you wish

861
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 4: to see in the world. I'm sure someone would.

862
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 3: Have improvised it. I mean oh for loos.

863
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 4: So how much did this all cost?

864
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 3: All in?

865
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 4: Right, if we're shopping, if we're the Boffin's over in

866
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 4: Denton during the Cold War, how much are we going

867
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 4: to pay to have this cool compound?

868
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 2: It's not bad, you guys, not bad at all. What

869
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: a little less than three million dollars.

870
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 5: In what nineteen sixty something money.

871
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: Right, sixty one, nineteen sixty four, So today that'd be

872
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: a little closer to abound twenty eight mil.

873
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, which still seems just extraordinarily inexpensive, so much so

874
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 4: that I'd be a little worried.

875
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 3: And if it was our bunker.

876
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 6: Our perception of value and like how much things cost

877
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 6: are so skewed.

878
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,439
Speaker 5: How much of that ballroom is supposed to be again,

879
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 5: it's it's about four hundred there more of that, are

880
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 5: you serious?

881
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: Four hundred yeah, four hundred million.

882
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 3: And again I think I think it's more than a ballroom.

883
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 5: You think it might be a bunker as well?

884
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 2: Yes, I think it could be a lot of things.

885
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 5: I'm telling you.

886
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: They're they're doing their mining crypto down there, I swear.

887
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 4: I mean straight out the ground, fresh cryptos, straight of

888
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 4: the ground, undiluted, unfiltered, non pasteurized crypto.

889
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 5: Take a bite of that bitcoin, make sure it's real.

890
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 2: Yea.

891
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 4: So okay, the threat of the Cold War becomes less

892
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 4: of me to people right where now we're past things

893
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 4: like the Cuban missile crisis, et cetera, et cetera. Eventually

894
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 4: FEMA takes over the whole thing, the whole kitten kaboodle.

895
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 4: That's in nineteen seventy nine, the same year of the

896
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 4: Irotian Revolution. And then over time, a lot of the

897
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 4: cool bells and whistles we're talking about here pure they

898
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 4: fall into disuse, partially because there's a lack of funding

899
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 4: because people aren't so terrified of a nuclear disaster, but

900
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 4: then also because all this cool technology we're talking about

901
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 4: is dated at this point, they literally can't find replacement parts.

902
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense. Oh and who's gonna, you know,

903
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 2: drop in a brand new, state of the art kitchen

904
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 2: with Viking appliances. Actually, well, I can imagine one one

905
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 2: president that might want Viking stuff and gold materials.

906
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 4: Jimmy Carter, Yeah, Jimmy Carter, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

907
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 4: president named Jimmy.

908
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 3: That's weird, man. I think it's we're.

909
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 5: Biased to his friends and where his friends. He's from

910
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 5: our neck of the woods.

911
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, he is the Jimmy Carter Presidential Library right here

912
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 6: in Atlanta, which is a sleeper.

913
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 4: Hit by the way, folks, not to derail us too much,

914
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 4: but if you were ever in our fair metropolis and

915
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 4: you want to surprise the romantic partner, if the weather's nice,

916
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 4: get thee to the Carter Center because they have a

917
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 4: cool kind of secret garden in the back, and it's

918
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 4: got one of the best views of the city.

919
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,919
Speaker 5: I have never upset foot at that in that place.

920
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 5: I need to do that.

921
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 6: It's one of those things that when you live in

922
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 6: a place, like if you're in New york Er, you

923
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 6: don't know the Statue of Liberty, but I got to

924
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 6: check out the Presidential Library or the Carter Center over there.

925
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 6: Pass by it all the time. But back to the bunker.

926
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 6: What's going on inside of this bunker as it starts

927
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 6: to kind of fall into disrepair?

928
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, Okay, so this becomes a little bit gentrified,

929
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 4: or it's reused the same way that another city might

930
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 4: take over an old warehouse, right and make it one

931
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 4: of those live, laugh, love, mixed use things. So the

932
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 4: doors are welded open the big thirteen ton doors just

933
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 4: so that they never accidentally closed. Right, the kitchen, the dorm,

934
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 4: the decontamination showers, they all get replaced with office space.

935
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,439
Speaker 4: And you gotta think about it, right, it'd be kind

936
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 4: of cool if you're if you lived in Dent and

937
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 4: you worked for FEMA and you went into the office

938
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 4: that used to be a fallout shelter.

939
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:38,479
Speaker 3: That's kind of cool.

940
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I'm into it. I'll go anytime. Yeah, let's

941
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: go to work important caveat.

942
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 3: It is no longer a fallout shelter.

943
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 6: You can kind of fallout shelter. Ish, it's still got

944
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 6: some of the features. Surely it's still got those what

945
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 6: is it thirteen ton blast doors and the copper infused walls.

946
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 2: Well, but there it's all welded open, right, I've heard things.

947
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 6: Being welded shut. By the way, How does one weld

948
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 6: something open? I guess you just break the seal and

949
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 6: then put it by open.

950
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 3: Put it by the wall and say no one touch it.

951
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 3: But you compile the furniture.

952
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 2: Guys, you can barricade the door.

953
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 4: Sure you can, maybe, according to speculation, run to some

954
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 4: escape tunnels.

955
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 3: I don't.

956
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 4: We'll get into that right, So, okay, Armstrong says, and

957
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 4: he's probably he's one of our best sources on this.

958
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 4: He says, Look, it could have still functioned as a

959
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 4: legit fallout shelter all the way up to the mid

960
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 4: nineteen eighties. And he says, the reason that it's no

961
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 4: longer a fallout shelter is because after Hurricane Katrina, Congress said,

962
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 4: you got to hire more staff at FEMA, and so

963
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 4: they had to find office space. That's the official reason

964
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 4: that they got rid of the all the bells and whistles.

965
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 3: As much of somewhat a cubicle.

966
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 6: As much of a bummer as it is to work

967
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 6: in an office or a cubicle, and the best of situations,

968
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 6: it's like a window. Can you imagine having to report

969
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 6: to work in an underground like cubicle farm. It just

970
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,439
Speaker 6: sounds like the most depressing thing.

971
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, they probably give you a poster all cat.

972
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 6: Oh okay, yeah that too, maybe one of those anti

973
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 6: depression lights.

974
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

975
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 2: Where didn't we just see that recently somewhere where there

976
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 2: were pretty large displays that were meant to mimic the outside.

977
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 2: But it looks like there's a city or something.

978
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 4: Stuff, Right, it happens to a lot of fallout shelters,

979
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 4: for sure. There's curious psychological research into how to minimize

980
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 4: the chances of people going mad.

981
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 6: Maybe a nice video wall, you know, with like a

982
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 6: screensaver with like a nice tree.

983
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 4: Something that looks like a mild, relaxing ocean wave, you know,

984
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 4: over by Wakiki or whatever.

985
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then plays ads like every I don't know

986
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 2: twenty minutes. It is.

987
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 3: AD supported.

988
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 4: You do have to tony up an additional subscriber fee.

989
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 3: If you want the wave without the.

990
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 5: Ass are got all? Existence is ADS supported at this point, y'all.

991
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 3: I mean we're the worst people to ask about it.

992
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 5: That's our existence in particular is AD supporting. No, that's

993
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 5: very true.

994
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 3: Thank you all for tuning in. So cheers, yeah, cheers everybody.

995
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 4: So now, this site is home to FEMA's Region six headquarters.

996
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 4: They do a lot of important work. They coordinate disaster

997
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 4: response for everything from like the Space Shuttle explosion to

998
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 4: the Oklahoma City bombing and of course floods, hurricanes, the darker.

999
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 3: Acts of God.

1000
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 4: This is where people, everybody meets up to have stability

1001
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 4: during chaos. So something happens, something goes south, even like

1002
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 4: some ice storms in the area. It's where all the

1003
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 4: federal agencies get together. It's like a clubhouse. They figure

1004
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 4: out who needs what, when where, how much they need,

1005
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 4: and how quickly it can get to those people who

1006
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 4: need help. M pretty good, pretty noble.

1007
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it has been utilized right, quite a quite

1008
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 2: a few times. Well, is it Harvey not Hurricane Harvey.

1009
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 2: It was like Trump, there was some storm called Harvey.

1010
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 2: I think that this place in particular was given a

1011
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: lot of credit for the work that came out of it.

1012
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we know some folks who have, at least

1013
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 4: on the military side, coordinated with FEMA, and these regional

1014
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 4: headquarters come up a lot. They play a pivotal role

1015
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:33,439
Speaker 4: in disaster response. And so maybe with that, guys, it's

1016
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 4: more fair to say the compound has not so much

1017
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 4: been a secret as not super publicized. After its construction,

1018
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 4: locals know about it. A couple people work there for FEMA.

1019
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 4: But given its strange history and the fact that it

1020
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 4: is a nuclear bunker, it's not surprising that so many

1021
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 4: people have speculated about this. And there's an interesting note.

1022
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 4: There's an interesting note here where you can tell Armstrong

1023
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 4: and other FEMA reps probably are a little bit frustrated

1024
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 4: by answering the same questions over and over and over again,

1025
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 4: and press conferences and interviews. Armstrong talks with k Sad

1026
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 4: about how people would just rock up to the gates

1027
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 4: of this FEMA headquarters and they would say, hey, can

1028
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 4: we take a tour? We want to We're worried that

1029
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 4: bombs are going to drop? Can we stay here? Is

1030
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 4: the president here right now?

1031
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 5: And he has ai with the president?

1032
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 3: We should do that. Let's get let's get up there

1033
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 3: and say.

1034
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 5: They can't refuse you. It's it's the law, it's in

1035
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 5: the constitution.

1036
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 3: It's a party foul to refuse you. I love it

1037
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 3: so Armstrong.

1038
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 5: How did you show up during office hours?

1039
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: Right?

1040
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 4: Armstrong is just saying that they've had all these people

1041
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 4: rock up and he has to continually tell them or

1042
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 4: other FEMA staff has to continually tell them, no, sorry, bro,

1043
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 4: we don't hold anybody here. People don't live here. There

1044
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,720
Speaker 4: are two floors, just two. It's fifty thousand square feet,

1045
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 4: it's fifty eight feet down. Also, no, just gonna get

1046
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,919
Speaker 4: in front of your next question. We don't have missiles here, wouldn't.

1047
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 6: Some of these folks demanding answers have been on the

1048
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 6: conspiratorial side, like like like looking at it from the

1049
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 6: perspective of you're holding prisoners here.

1050
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah.

1051
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 2: But there's also that thing when we've seen the rumors

1052
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 2: we've seen we've hinted at it a couple times in

1053
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 2: this episode already, the concept of that if you take

1054
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: the time, the effort money to build something like this

1055
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 2: over this many years now, since nineteen sixty four when

1056
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 2: it was completed, don't you think maybe you build something

1057
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 2: else into it as a part of it, or connect

1058
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 2: it up to another series of these things or other

1059
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 2: underground facilities you might have, you know.

1060
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 4: What, Yeah, man, Because that's here's the thing, just thinking objectively,

1061
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 4: it seems dumb not to do that. Just objectively, it

1062
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 4: feels like something someone would have pitched, and it feels

1063
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 4: like it would be a really great idea.

1064
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 3: It's no brainer. I mean, that's why. That's the other part, right, we're.

1065
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 4: Being conspiratorial, as is our remit on this show. If

1066
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 4: there is some aspect of secret government or deep state

1067
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 4: or after the Fall of civilization stuff going on, if

1068
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 4: that was the case, why would anyone confirm it?

1069
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 3: You're not gonna tell people no.

1070
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 2: The worst thing you could do just be like, hey, Liz, let.

1071
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 5: Me did check it out?

1072
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 4: Yeah on Instagram, coming to you live from the secret tunnel.

1073
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 4: What's up, guys? You know we got Doug coming through.

1074
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 4: All right, I'm gonna give up on the Doug jokes,

1075
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 4: but he's a legend.

1076
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 5: Never forget Doug. He's with us in our hearts.

1077
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 3: So what do you guys think about the tunnels though?

1078
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 5: That's say we were promised tunnels, Ben, Yeah, well they're

1079
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 5: promised tunnels.

1080
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 3: That's the whole thing.

1081
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 2: That's why Pure Pure's statement to us about quietly drilling

1082
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: underneath Denton, Texas and nobody on the surface knew that

1083
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 2: they were drilling these huge like boring these huge holes

1084
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 2: underneath Denton near the waterways and everything. How could you

1085
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 2: do that? How could you do that? Nobody knows? Pure

1086
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 2: assured us that it's possible. Is don't we think that

1087
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 2: there are other large holes, either for waterways or for

1088
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: some kind of transportation or, as we're talking about here,

1089
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 2: secure movement of equipment and people.

1090
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 6: Can we also just say that it's come up multiple

1091
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 6: times in recent discussions about phantom noises. I believe it

1092
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,919
Speaker 6: was another listener that wrote in concerning a crazy sound

1093
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 6: that was happening, and I can't remember exactly where, maybe

1094
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 6: it was Saint Louis, but how maybe that was the

1095
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 6: sound of these types of activities going on. And then

1096
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 6: it reminded me of the plot point in Better Call Saul,

1097
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Speaker 6: where they're building the crazy underground meth lab and in

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Speaker 6: order to blow up the tunnels or do the demolition

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Speaker 6: they needed to do, they timed it so it had

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Speaker 6: it coincided with like a train passing, so that no

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Speaker 6: one would notice that it does my mind does immediately

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Speaker 6: go there in terms of ways that they could mask

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Speaker 6: this type of operation.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just it's plausible again, And folks, apologies if

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00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 4: we sound crazy, but just objectively, that would be a

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Speaker 4: good idea. That would be such a good idea that

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Speaker 4: it would be kind of weird not to do it.

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Speaker 4: To have passageways for barracks and missile silos there are

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Speaker 4: there's another thing. They are all these rumors amid the

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Speaker 4: good people of Denton that you can see oddly placed manholes, right,

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Speaker 4: you can see inexplicable doors or things that have been

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Speaker 4: walled up, and there are proven underground structures. In addition

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Speaker 4: to the Bunker, Texas Women's University has old underground tunnels

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Speaker 4: and they're used for utility maintenance.

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Speaker 6: Do check out our episode on fake buildings. This immediately

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Speaker 6: makes me think of like a lot of these facades

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Speaker 6: that are secret access points to the subway. You know,

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Speaker 6: tunnels are various things like that, utilities. This is something

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Speaker 6: that could certainly be deployed.

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Speaker 4: The very polite people at con Egg New York City.

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Speaker 6: God Blessing the Department told us to get the hell

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Speaker 6: out of Dodge pretty diplomatically.

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Speaker 2: I very diplomatic.

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Speaker 5: I want to say that I probably shouldn't have been there,

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Speaker 5: To be honest.

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Speaker 4: I still remember, Yeah, we probably shouldn't have. But I

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00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 4: still remember my dumb response talking to those folks where

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Speaker 4: I said something like, oh, we're just drinking coffee, which

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Speaker 4: was true.

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Speaker 2: Guys. It's making me think of that movie.

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Speaker 3: Orry.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a total underground situation. Yeah, mild spoilers.

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Speaker 6: I guess I think he's established from the jump that

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Speaker 6: there is there are these like tunnels.

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Speaker 4: It's a fever dream. I love dream logic. I just

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00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 4: can't say enough about Jordan peele Man. He is awesome

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Speaker 4: and I can't wait to see what else he does.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I actually we watched Nope the other day. I

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Speaker 6: think that's my I think that's my favorite of his

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Speaker 6: think about it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm still on Get Out.

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Speaker 5: Get Us phenomenon for sure. Nope.

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Speaker 6: Something about it though, just really does it for me

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Speaker 6: and takes a lot of boxes for the type of

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Speaker 6: thing that we talk about.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: Yes, stretches behind the conspiratorial ears for sure.

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Speaker 2: Man, it's all about the Tim Heidecker for me.

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Speaker 6: Guys, I don't knowlers a mild spoiler.

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Speaker 5: He does a really good death the man. He was

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Speaker 5: a good on screen death.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, as his character the actual ten is five as

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01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 4: far as we know ed. He's got a podcast, so

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Speaker 4: check that out Office Hours. He's also makes really really

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Speaker 4: good records.

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Speaker 6: He's just like a genuinely talented folk song writer, kind

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01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 6: of like rock folk dude, very very very talented.

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Speaker 4: And so we hear that there are tunnels everywhere in Denton,

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Speaker 4: from the old TI Building to the courthouse silos to

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Speaker 4: barracks like we've talked about, and some of those stories

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01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 4: may indeed have a kernel of truth. There are multiple

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Speaker 4: local accounts of people encountering mysterious bricked up entries right

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Speaker 4: or doors that don't make sense and don't open. But again,

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Speaker 4: at this point, as we're recording Friday, February sixth, twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty six, no government agency has confirmed the existence of

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Speaker 4: any vast interconnected tunnel network. Those things don't exist, or

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Speaker 4: at least know what has been confirmed to have access them.

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Speaker 4: That's our story for now. Thanks again to you Pure

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01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 4: for the phenomenal suggestion, and Noel, as you said in

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Speaker 4: previous conversation, we've been astonished by how many people across

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Speaker 4: the country and indeed the planet have written in with

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Speaker 4: similar stories and allegations of conspiracies. Please stay tuned for

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Speaker 4: our upcoming episode on more underground structures.

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Speaker 6: And can we also say two, I think we've all

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Speaker 6: been really happy to hear from some new folks that

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01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 6: are writing in after having discovered the show on Netflix,

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Speaker 6: which is really awesome. So welcome to all of all

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Speaker 6: of you new folks who are enjoying us here on Netflix.

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01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 6: And just a reminder, there is other on the podcast

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01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 6: audio only feed. We do strange news and listener mail

1181
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 6: episodes every single week that don't make it here as videos,

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01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 6: so plenty of stuff to check out on the old podcast.

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Speaker 4: Feed, and we'd also love to hear your take. Folks,

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01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 4: you're the best part of this show. Could the US

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01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 4: government really hide a massive underground tunnel network and avoid

1186
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 4: discovery for decades? I think we've talked ourselves into a

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01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 4: soft yes on this one because stranger stuff has happened.

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01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 5: The new album from Soft Yes.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's an old joke for our pal, Paul decade Man.

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Speaker 4: Shout out to you, Paul Michigan Control. Also, if this

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01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 4: happened fueled by the panic of the Cold War, if

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Speaker 4: the FEDS really did build a network like this in Denton,

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01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 4: is almost certainly the stuff they don't want you to know.

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01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 4: Can't wait to hear your thoughts. Find us online, shoot

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01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 4: us a telephone call, or send us an email.

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01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,919
Speaker 6: If you want to find us on social media platforms.

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Speaker 6: Of note, you can find us at the handle Conspiracy

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Speaker 6: Stuff or Conspiracy Stuff Show, depending.

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Speaker 5: I think you can also give us a telephone call.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, we have a phone number. It is one

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Speaker 2: eight three three std WYTK. Turn those letters into numbers,

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Speaker 2: pick up your phone and then call us. It's a

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Speaker 3: Be well aware, yet out of fraide.

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Speaker 4: Send us the pictures, send us the links, ask us

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Speaker 4: the questions. Get a random fact from us in return,

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Speaker 4: take us to the edge of the rabbit hole, and

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