1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: Nice day. I went today school, I went tonight school 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: to This is the intro to one of the Willian 3 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: House sessions that I reached out into Washington. It's called 4 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: the National Coalition of Homelessness. I was one of the 5 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: moderators at one of the institute conferences, and I am 6 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: sharing with the rest of the community just what I 7 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: had sat in on and how I moderated. So this 8 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: may be broken down in a couple of segments in 9 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: a couple of episodes. Fortunately it's not video, it's auditory, 10 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: so just lean in and enjoy and listening to some 11 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: of the topics that had there. Thank you all for 12 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: listening a in. This is my intro to the episode 13 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: of William House a National Coalition for Homelessness. That was 14 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: the title that I was one of the moderators for 15 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. Thank you all for listening, and 16 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: hopefully we'll meet in a life on this. Captain understand 17 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: I as I listen to the votement you present, I 18 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: I I wonder if they're w with our uh white 19 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: counter parts and those are leadership. Do you think that 20 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: there's a element of a and I'm bringing it up 21 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: fear of ha happening in this conversation, like what does 22 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: it mean about who they are and what does it 23 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: mean about who we are that we have to engage 24 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:50,639 Speaker 1: in this level of conversation. That's why true. Yeah, that's start. 25 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: Thank you. Fear of open conflict is a tenant of 26 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: white supremacy into which is interesting consider the violence the 27 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: white supremacy and infix upon people. So we have to 28 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: pivot away from fear of open conflict in our organizations. 29 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: And when I say open conflict, I'm not saying that 30 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: there's a a knock down, drag out fight in the 31 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: middle of the office, but there's a conversation that takes place, 32 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: and a lot of times our white colleagues simply are 33 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: not comfortable because they fear that that confrontation. And yes, 34 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: it will illuminate who you are as an individual. Right, 35 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: you can't hide when you're doing real racial agrigy work. Period. 36 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: There's more. Once again, thank you, wonderful presentation. I question 37 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: that comment, so I'll get through it through a really quickly. 38 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: First and foremost, I wanted to say, if you brought 39 00:02:55,400 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: up indeed, there are over for folks who don't know 40 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: they're over a hundred historically black colleges and minority serving 41 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: institutions in in this country. What amazing students and an 42 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: alumni basis almost every statement of this country. So any 43 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: excuse of not being able to find black talent, our 44 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: minority talent is a false standing. There are over there 45 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: are nine historically black fraternities and sororities in this country 46 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: with over a million members. There are black student unions, 47 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: Hispanic student unions at some of the best universities in 48 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: this youth in this country. So if you can't find talent, 49 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: you are not looking in the right places. Secondly, doctor 50 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: alis Keller, I wanted to ask you, but I know 51 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: the answer to this already. But you talked about the 52 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: number of folks that you have that you have on 53 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: staff that are justice involved, may have experienced homes as 54 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: recent as maybe a few months. How do you get 55 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: over that hurt? Or some people think it's too hard 56 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: to hire people who may not mean in housing, they 57 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: that may not be ready for work. How did you 58 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: get over that? Thank you? Well, I guess we have 59 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: to remember there's a lot of housing people that aren't 60 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: ready for work. Or when you really believe in something, 61 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: you make it happen. Yeah, we've been sued by housed people. 62 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: You've been sued by recently unhoused people. We've been sued 63 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: by everybody. So it's a risk you take when you 64 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: employ it. I think the way you can avoid problems 65 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: is to be sincere. It does help me that a 66 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:00,039 Speaker 1: lot of my executive leadership are people of color. And 67 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: when they're not people of color, they're people with deep, painful, 68 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: lived experience of trauma. So when people start acting up 69 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: at work or struggling, and maybe because our system is racist, 70 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: they don't just immediately say you're fired or let's write 71 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: them up. They usually will say let's have coffee or yes. 72 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: And the other thing they do is they negotiate, and 73 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: they advocate with the hiring manager not to go there. 74 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: They're bringing up the person's story context and that makes 75 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: a big difference. And so Keith and And is my 76 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: VP of Administration, and he and I together change the 77 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: face of Saint Joseph Center. If you don't know him, 78 00:05:54,839 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: know him and the cause it doesn't happen to be 79 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: a person of color, Folks. I've gone into my orientations. 80 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: We I do a CEEO breakfast and sometimes I've gone 81 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: in there and everybody looked like my auntie. And I said, Pena, 82 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: now you can't hire everybody he looks like me. I 83 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: mean you have these of ool that you're working away. 84 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: He said, don't worry, I got the next group. They'll 85 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: look like my auntie, and the next room will look 86 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: like Normo's aunties. I said, wish you. I got a 87 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: room full of aunties right now, and I'm loving it. 88 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: So I just want you to know we can only 89 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: do it the next sec. I wanted to thank you 90 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: for being so transparent in your statement, saying that you 91 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: recognize that you are the executive director of a racist organization. 92 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: That took a lot of took a lot of courage, 93 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: and even though you are in the position that you're 94 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: in now, it still takes a lot of courage because 95 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: that's how entrenched racism is within our organizational structures. Now, 96 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: with that being said, you mentioned a couple of other things, 97 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: and one of those is that black people we spend 98 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: a lot of time worried about we're gonna be fired, 99 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna be let go, where if if there are cuts, 100 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna be the first ones to be let go. 101 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: If we express ourselves and we are truly authentic and 102 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: organic at work, We're gonna be let go I and 103 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: I know that that that statement is so real and 104 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: it's so true. I spent a lot of time of 105 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: feeling that way myself, and even sitting on a board 106 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: to sitting on a board expressing myself and and speaking 107 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: out of these things that I know are just crazy 108 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: and do not add up on like no. One plus 109 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: one is not nine. I don't know where you're going 110 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: with that, but I'm I'm not for that. I always 111 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: would say, I'm so sorry. I I actually would apologize 112 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: later on and I say, but that is truly the 113 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: way that I felt. But then I feel I would 114 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: feel as if I was gonna be kicked off the 115 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: board because I'll being so genuine and authentic in my feelings. 116 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: Another thing that we deal with is when we have 117 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: people that look like us who are still I stay 118 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: suffering from vessages of slavery the overseers, so where I 119 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: don't have to always feel that I'm uh under the radar, 120 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: under the gun from a white person, but rather I 121 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: feel that it has been my experience more often than 122 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: I care to remember that it's a black person that 123 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: I'm that has gotten into a position of s perceived power. 124 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: And it's like it's the overseers and and books down 125 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: because they want they got that position. I they got it, 126 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: and they want to keep white people happy. So in 127 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: order to keep white people happy, they cap have to 128 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: keep the black people in line. So what do you 129 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: say to that. You know, I appreciate it. You made 130 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: me think about one other thing to philanthropy or leadership. 131 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: Don't just pick one I I think I said this 132 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: where I wanna go one more. Don't just pick one 133 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: little nice black person. But also, if you find yourself 134 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: a little pointing who should we in Vaine? As a 135 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 1: white person, why do you get to pick who gets 136 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: the opportunity? How about you go to your black staff 137 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: and say who do you think would be good to participate? 138 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: Stop making all those decisions because again you hit us 139 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 1: against each other. I'm getting back to your point. And 140 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: we know that there's one seed. Look my daughter, because 141 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: she's fifteen, and she's like, oh, I'll say, Susie, you know, 142 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if she's gonna do it. And I said, look, 143 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: you focus on that one little black girl that's not 144 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: your competition. This whole school is your competition. I said, 145 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: if you have already seen that the white folks are 146 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: pitting you two against each other, I said, you hug her, 147 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: you love her, and you both work together and you 148 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: become a teen. So to your point, it's really hard 149 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: when black people work against each other. And then sometimes 150 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: our white colleagues just sit back and watch us tearing 151 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: each of the All I can say is we all 152 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: have to learn where the biases are. We've all internalized 153 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 1: some self hatred and we have to stop it. Mm 154 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: And just like we're asking on white colleagues to do 155 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: their inventory, we have to do our inventoria as well. 156 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: Warn me. Every want to thank you so much, doctor Adams, 157 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: Thank you to sharing, Thank you, miss Brown. I was 158 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: looking around the room. Uh to. I did that in 159 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: test when we have conversations like this. For me, I 160 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 1: you know, I think people who look like me, but 161 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: it's important to see people and this is real kind 162 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: of be kind of conversations who do not look at it, 163 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: look like me, but our own leadership h uh position. 164 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: And so this is more of a comment or I'm 165 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: so sure that a brief experience, but with you all 166 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: it's not a question, and so and I wanna make 167 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: sure you can every pond to hear her. Yes, okay, 168 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: we mikes, you're close to the don't ask you. And 169 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: so Angel started this conversation about showing up, it being 170 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 1: your true authentic self, right, and doctor Adams expanding on that. 171 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: But so oftentimes in agency black people, and I'm gonna 172 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: share my own experience with you, we're not able to 173 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: show up and be our true authentic self. And being 174 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: authentic simply means being real, being the person that God 175 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: intended us to be. Correct. And so I'm a little 176 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: nervous right now because when I think about this experience 177 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: and really hurt. And when I left this experience, I 178 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: thought about what do I go home and tell my children? 179 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: And so I was at an agency where I was walking. 180 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: I was actually recruited, and I was recruited because the 181 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 1: CEO said, we need you feel this position, We need 182 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: all that you can do this position. We need you 183 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: to come in and fig to build, to strategize, and 184 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: mobilize these departments. So when I came to this agecy, 185 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: I was one of the few people of color in 186 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: this leadership position. Actually, when I first got there, someone 187 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: came to my office, walked past my office and came 188 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: back and said they put a sense in this position, 189 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: and so we laughed about that. Right, So as I 190 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: continued to move into this position. As soon as I 191 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: died here, I mean not in here, I'm started acts agency. 192 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: My team mostly was white. They were not reflected for me, 193 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: which was fine, but all was different from me. And 194 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: so as I began to me in this position, my 195 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: CEO uh person who were according to him was my boss, 196 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: but we worked closely together. I had heard you you 197 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: wanted a job. You're doing a great job. You're the 198 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: person for this position, and this is why we walked here. Well, 199 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: soon after that, my boss acted to meet with me. 200 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: During this meeting, my boss said a time, you're doing 201 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: a great job, but I'm getting you know this person's 202 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: and this, and this person said that. Now, mind you, 203 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: it's the same person, right, the same person who does 204 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: not look like me, who happens to be a white male. 205 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: And my boss said to me, although you're doing a 206 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: great job, we're gonna ask you to step back and 207 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: let him be the boss until you move and change buildings. 208 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: And I was so taken aback by that, and I said, 209 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: but I'm a boss, and he said, yeah, you are. 210 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: You are a boss, but just let him leave right 211 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: now because he's still a little uncomfortable. And then we moved. 212 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: You'll back your position. I let up that office and 213 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: when I got in my car, the tears you came 214 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: down my face because I didn't know how to responds that. 215 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: And for one of the first people said, I was like, 216 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: raising was right there in my face. A woman had struggle, 217 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: who had side side, who have went to school. And 218 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 1: when I tell you I show up, I show up. 219 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: I show a comference, I show me and what it 220 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: is that I do because I know what my guests are, 221 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: I shall be loved and I should be being supportive. 222 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: And it was not appreciated. And then I had a 223 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: meeting with my CEO afterwards, and she said to see 224 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: that she follows me, I mean and said to me 225 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: the time, you appreciate everything you do. But I know 226 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: what the problem is. You're too strong for health and 227 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: how could I responsible? But I was being told over 228 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: and over you cannot show up and being God contended you. 229 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: So when we are moving in these spaces and we 230 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: are working with people who are striving to show up 231 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: people who may not look like us when we aren't 232 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: in positions of power and leadership. You have to be 233 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: mindful of our community. You have to be mindful of 234 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: how we get are activiated one another, because soon after 235 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: that I was promoted and I guys, they all look 236 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: the same, and let's make a deal. It is the 237 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: name of the game. It's something funny. It's something funny, 238 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: and there's something funny listening. Want to sort me and 239 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: it looks like they're wrong me, and they like the 240 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: toll me. There's something funny going on, funny to speeling 241 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: that nail and the lion esteem. I'm getting the first 242 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: first step up UH rather a housing program we opened 243 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: in November where we have seventeen units UH short term 244 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: UH housing for women in scattered site apartments and then 245 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: forty two units of permanent support of housing at Diane's house. 246 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: And this is our first program also where we UH 247 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: welcome to family, so a woman with one child, thank you. 248 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: And then Capital Vista is another permanent support of housing 249 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: program where we have twenty one units of permit support 250 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: of housing in a mixed building. So that means there 251 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: are individuals that are paying market rent, but we provide 252 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: twenty four twenty one units uh PSH and intensive case 253 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: management services in that program. So we're very proud of 254 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: that one too. So I would like to take you 255 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: back in March twenty twenty where our worlds were abruptly changed. 256 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: I remember exactly where I was. So I was sitting 257 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: in the conference room March sixteenth with the other members 258 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: of the executive team, and we were trying to decide 259 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: how we were gonna manage this pandemic. And the members 260 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: of the team was like, oh, Cannada, don't get excited. 261 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: In three weeks, we're gonna be back to work. So 262 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: we're in our thirtiear, and it feels like twenty at 263 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 1: the start of the pandemic gave us a perfect opportunity 264 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: to pivot our services for women don't want to be 265 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: in a pandemic. But it allowed us to see that 266 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: the way we thought we were providing services, the efficiencies 267 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: that we thought we were putting in place, actually were 268 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:57,959 Speaker 1: not really what the women needed, we thought, and so 269 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: we took time to really outline where we could make 270 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 1: changes during this time, and so I would like to 271 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: walk you through that we recognized very quickly that we 272 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: had to pivot and tell the case management. I think 273 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: most of us were doing traditional case management and make 274 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: an appointment client comes to your office, or you do 275 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: a home visit and you're inspecting the unit. We quickly 276 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: realized I was not going to work because we had 277 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: to change our scheduling. We had our case managers working 278 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: three days at home in two days in the office, 279 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: and so we decided that we had to move towards 280 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: telecase management. But really what is telecase management. We were 281 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: operating a vocational center, and in that vocational center, the 282 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: women would come and meet with a manager and sit 283 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: down and do job search or discuss what their goals 284 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: were and create a plan and maybe build out a 285 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: resume and make a referral to one of the work 286 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: d workforce development organizations. But who's coming to the office 287 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: in the middle of the pandemic. No one. So we 288 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: had to pivot our wellness center where we were partnering 289 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: with Unity Healthcare to be able to provide women wellness exams. 290 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: We had dentists come in. We were providing services such 291 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: as wreeki, massage and yoga. We were doing flower arrangement classes, 292 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: mental health classes, jewelry making, self esteem classes, AA classes 293 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: couldn't do that any longer. And then our Greenhouse program, 294 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: which is very loosely based on an outpatient recovery program, 295 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: no one's coming in. However, we noticed that the use 296 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: of substances had increased because we had taken away the 297 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: activities that were so vital to the women because we 298 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: had to close our day program in an effort to 299 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: keep women and staff safe. So we saw an increase 300 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: in substance abuse. We saw an increase in depression. But 301 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: how are we going to address those issues in the 302 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: middle of a pandemic? So these are not actual women, 303 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: These are actual touches. So the numbers that you see 304 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 1: are the touches based on the services that we provided. 305 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: So you see in fiscal year two thousand nineteen we 306 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: had two thousand, three hundred ninety eight touches of either 307 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: providing daily activities, basic needs, case management, focus on career 308 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 1: or financial services, substance youth services classes or activities. Benefit 309 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: assistance such as SSI, Mental health services, healthcare. COVID is 310 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: on there because we put that on there. In fiscal 311 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: year twenty twenty, meals served or provided crisis Intervention and 312 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: Emergency Services fiscal year two thousand nineteen two thousand, three 313 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: hundred ninety eight touches. When we pivoted in physical year 314 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, you see that we had twenty thousand, six 315 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: hundred ninety one touches and my agency serves over two thousand, 316 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: five hundred women a year, right in the programs that 317 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: I just outlined for you in the previous led So 318 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: where we pisoted telecase management, pulling my team together, we 319 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: had a work group meeting. At this time, I was 320 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: the chief Program Officer. I had not been promoted to 321 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: CEO as of yet, and so that's okay, sorry. So 322 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: I had a hundred forty staff members under my leadership 323 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: as the chief Program officer, and so we developed a 324 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: work group to decide what does telecase management look like? Uh, 325 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: it's not telehealth because we are not licensed medical professionals, 326 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,719 Speaker 1: but it is case management. And so we wanted to 327 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: create something that allowed our program managers to continue constant 328 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: communication with the program managers and the clients as well 329 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: as the frontline staff and all of our programs. And 330 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: so we worked with our outsource IT developers to create 331 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: a case management booking app, and that booking app would 332 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: allow us to have that app on all of our 333 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: work issued computers and our work issued cell phones, and 334 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: a case manager could enter in clients' information and wherever 335 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: you were, whether you were working remotely at home or 336 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: whether you were in the office, you were able to 337 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: see what your team member had entered in. So when 338 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: you came on to shift, you knew that this was 339 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: a critical situation and you could go meet with that 340 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: young lady whether it was in her unit or whether 341 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: it was in the shelter. So we create that case 342 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: management booking app. We're very proud of that app. We 343 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: went through all that work and then our government partners said, oh, 344 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: we're going to release the restrictions on case management because 345 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: in our perman supportive housing programs you have to have 346 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 1: six touches a month, and those touches had to be physical, 347 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: in person touches, whether you were in the office or 348 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: you visited the client's home. And so they said, now providers, 349 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: you can do case management via text, via email, telephone calls, 350 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: or video conferences. So we said, well, thank you, because 351 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: we've created this booking app, so that just now enhances 352 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 1: the services that were able to provide, and so we 353 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: began using Zoom as a platform for case management services, 354 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: and we downloaded DUO on all of our telephones, our 355 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: cell phones. And then what we also took advantage of 356 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: was the fact that we had never done a technology 357 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,959 Speaker 1: assessment of our programs. So my director of Operations and 358 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: one of my directors of housing went to each location 359 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: and looked to see how strong our Wi Fi signals 360 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: are because you have this app and you have the 361 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: platform of Zoom, but if a young lady can't connect 362 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: because the signal is low, it's pointless. So we went 363 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: to every program and we did that, and then we 364 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: found in two of our partner support of housing programs 365 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: we actually had enough space to build computer lab for 366 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: the women to be able to access UH connections with 367 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: their team members. So we did that as well. We 368 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: worked with our IT vendor and created UH computer labs 369 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: in two of our programs so the women would be 370 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: able to go downstairs, get on a computer and have 371 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: a Zoom meeting with their case manager. It's this we 372 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: don't understand from one of your house. That was what 373 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: you just listened to is is one of the speeches 374 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: are we serving unaccompanied women, well, how we can do better. 375 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 1: And this was today Tuesday on the twenty sixth, from 376 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: nine fifteen to ten thirty on the Jefferson East side 377 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: of the hotel. And I'm going to be plug in 378 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 1: and out going to other conferences. And you will hear 379 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: a couple of snippets of different topics that we have here. 380 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: The Lion, this feel man, there's something funny. Good morning everyone, 381 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: Hopefully everyone can hear me all right. For those who 382 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: of you who know me, my name is Ceo Henderson 383 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: and I have lived experience of being displaced and being 384 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: which I considered unhoused, and a quick thing I wanted 385 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: to unders the state before we get started. I wanted 386 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: to thank everyone for coming. But the reason why I 387 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: use the term on house is because it's put sister 388 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: personal agency and my experience that many people in many 389 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: communities rebel but against that term because of the agency 390 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: that I wanted to use as un housed. So I 391 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: wanted to be clear that if you c are comfortable 392 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: with homeless, I'm okay with that, but also be comfortable 393 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 1: with other people wanted to be called other things than 394 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: being homeless, on house, displaced, unsheltered, for walls and not 395 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: fly into a rage with that. Now that we've got 396 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: that out the way, I wanted to introduced to the 397 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: other guests here in the UH audience is mister Eric 398 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 1: Taras and mister Jerry Hall. Jerry Hall is going to 399 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 1: be stepping in for j Jones is going to be 400 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: stepping in for miss Eric Lee and Eric Samuels, and 401 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: did I miss anyone else? So I'm going to introduce 402 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: quickly first, mister Eric Tars. Mister Tars serves as the 403 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: National Homelessness Law Center's Legal Director, leading its human and 404 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: civil rights programs and managing its cutting edge litigation, strategic 405 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: policy advocacy, and outreaching training initiatives at the inter national 406 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: and local levels. Eric helped spearhead the launch of the 407 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: Housing Not Handcuffs campaign, has served as council of record 408 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: for its multiple precedent setting cases, including Martin versus Boys 409 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: That's an excellent brief there in the nice circuit, and 410 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: is frequently quoted in national and local media, including MPR AP, 411 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 1: New York Times, Washington Post, and Vice News. Before coming 412 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: to the Law Center, Eric was a fellow with Global 413 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: Rights US Racial Discrimination Program and consulted with Columbia Universities 414 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: Law Schools, Human Rights Institute, and the US Human Rights Network, 415 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: where he currently serves as the vice chair of the 416 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 1: network Board. Eric received his juris doctorate Georgetown University's Law 417 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: Center and his backtor of Arts in Political science from 418 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: half or Forth College. And I will let Jerry give 419 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: a little his brief on because he doesn't have this 420 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: because he's stepping in so graciously teach you. I am kellyan. 421 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: When we had two uh last minute cancellations and U 422 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: I I wanna uh be sure to point you to 423 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: some of the material that would have been covered uh 424 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: by them. I'm Jerry Jones. I'm the national Field director 425 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: of the National Alliance and Homelessness and the former exactive 426 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: director of the National Coalition Homeless. MM so what offer 427 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: do I'm gonna starts The title of his seminar is 428 00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: Confronting and Reversing the Criminalization of Homelessness. Well, we will 429 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: start with Eric has some information that he would like 430 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: to impart and then I would talk to Jerry and 431 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: I'll bring in some inside us around out the conversation. 432 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: So Eric, would you please and uh so you know, 433 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: thanks to Jerry to the Alliance for Inventing us to 434 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: talk today about the interception of housing, homelessness, and a 435 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: lot of horsiness. UH. I want to start by sharing 436 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: a letter from a woman who grow to me named 437 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: Amber Jackmansky. Amber's experiencing howlessness and seeing here here in Florida. 438 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: We're tourists and sleep on the beach all day, but 439 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: display the Latin the bid with show up the beds 440 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: or rescue you try to sleep on the streets at night. 441 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: The city also president of Tylettsville lafter eleven pm. But 442 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: as human being, sometimes Amber disis to go. She tried 443 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: not drinking anything after six pm, but that went to 444 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: ugi and one as she had open not a rush 445 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: her tea. She was arrested in charge not only a 446 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: posternation of hevery decent exposure as such crime. So now 447 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: Amber has not only the immediate penalties of UH jail 448 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: time and fighting piece she can't paign, but she has 449 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: to register as a sex offender for the rest of 450 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: her life, making it almost impossible for her to find housing. 451 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: That doesn't help her out of homelessness, and it doesn't 452 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: help saint. Here's here solved either as your homelessness or 453 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: a small termination police. Unfortunately, and this isn't just am 454 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: HER's story, it's our nation's story. It's our twenty nineteen 455 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: survey of a one hundred and eighty sent cities across 456 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: the country that almost everyone in the as some form 457 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: of law criminalizing homelessness, and that these laws are around 458 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: the rocks. Close to three quarters were over the campaign 459 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: in public and ninety one percent increases two thousand and six, 460 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: more than half rest sleeping in public, fifty percent increase, 461 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: a third A citywide bands on loitering double acis two 462 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: thousand and six and now opposed to two third. Seven 463 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: logs restricting billion vehicles up more than two hundred percent 464 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: since two thousand six, And because of racial disparities is 465 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: homelessness and enforcement patterns. The criminalization of homelessness isn't just 466 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: a homelessness problem. It's a justice problem and a racial 467 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,479 Speaker 1: justice problem. A recent record found that black adults are 468 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: up to nine point seven times more likely received citations 469 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: for low level non traffic defenses as white adults, and 470 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: black mac's adults are up to five point eight times 471 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: more liability. But most jurisdictions don't collect data on the 472 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: housing status of individuals charged. So in many cases, while 473 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: we can look at overall racial trends, we don't necessarily 474 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: see the intersections with homelessness and how that can multiply 475 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: the effects of bricks. In order to have accountability, we 476 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: need to know when, where and how this is happening. 477 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: So the first need is for our national requirement for 478 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: data collection of housing status, for tickets, for rests, use 479 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: of force, et cetera. The George Really Justice and Policing 480 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: Act would have required this for the first time and 481 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: used to force stated question, but ideally we needed for 482 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: all kinds replong that said, as out of medializes in 483 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: some of us, these policies that disproportionately harmed by show 484 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: communities are as small as you can see here from 485 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: the lawyers to many survey of the San Diego aportment. 486 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: While why walk individuals are disproportionately cited, and as we 487 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: re terms, white people experiencing wonelessness still make up the 488 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: majority of citations for any of these ordinances of perminalize 489 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: the homelessness. But we have national data, we can have 490 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: the costs of this quot and because studies showed the 491 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: priminalization the homelessness costs two to three times as much 492 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: as simple provided housing. Continuing to invest these resorts into 493 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: a law enforcement approach the homelessness rather than housing the 494 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: services approach actually possible community by draining or resources meanings 495 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: solved under owning housing issues that make people almost in 496 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: the first place, because the consequences of these voices to 497 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: criminalize rather than housing services can be literally white or death. 498 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: Today you have to say the name of her unders 499 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: riantle when two men in black men are built unnecessarily 500 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: by police in recent years because Orange County sent olam 501 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: working officers, the slide arms freee goes to get one 502 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: of the person's as criminals rather than social workers and 503 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: access of housing and services to deal with a person 504 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: in prices who just need to tell your peless people 505 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,479 Speaker 1: experiencing plessness they've their entire lifers. That goes to call 506 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: view and the police scrutiny. In these class criminalize homers, 507 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: you mean literally make their very existence in quote space 508 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: and crime. Voitering is simply standing when the police decide 509 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: you don't emberate to be standing. When the race and 510 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: homelessness and the check and makes blacktividings and people of 511 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: colored extremely vulnerable, police interaction and potentially to the police 512 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: silence and more than me too often there's no accountability 513 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: for these pieces. Just a few months ago that lada 514 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: Is declined to press charges against the officers responsible for 515 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: the stilling, just as they did not charge those involved 516 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: in the feeling of Charlie Unon several years earlier. So 517 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: while the law clients individual police officers just applying, we 518 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: also need systems, some kind of ability the whole. The 519 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 1: system is a whole, are kindab fur their debts because 520 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: the system should never resent those officers out of in pursiness. 521 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,439 Speaker 1: But it's not just these encounters that were its own death. 522 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: There a problem today in the Inn. There's more than 523 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 1: half of people when some jail was there because of 524 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: the closet, croated defenses and law enforcement spending tens of 525 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 1: thousands of fowers crossing clawlessness rather than the focusing uncactual publicity. 526 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 1: Most criminalization occurred at the municipal level. There was just 527 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,720 Speaker 1: last year were at least for her state level survey 528 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: and even you were surprised to find out, uh that 529 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: there were state statues terminalizing clone and in almost in 530 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,720 Speaker 1: every state. Some are our gay Victorina statutes against an ambulance, 531 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: a rigin progra of vacancy statues designed to make black 532 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: people without jobs criminals, so they could be passed through 533 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: the thirteen Amendment proople back into ensuavement. But all are 534 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: out of touch with modern constitution, law, public health, and 535 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:25,760 Speaker 1: policating standards, and there's a new danger of uh State's 536 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: passing new bills in this way. People like urdos and 537 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: temple legislation being plished by improve known as the ciss ristitude. 538 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: The CISRO institutes is tembook has four primary elements, and 539 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: not all of these elements here in every build, but 540 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: they are uh AT. They've been amended as they've been introduced, 541 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: but they include a diversion of all federal and state 542 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,760 Speaker 1: funding for homeless services, not specifically how to get permanent 543 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,919 Speaker 1: housing high stature to short term legal and canans state 544 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: partner lots and emergency shelters with six month month time 545 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 1: that's on the states, mandatory treatment testing UH service allegations, 546 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: subjects of immediate removal or failure to applying, and the 547 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: grant of immunity and liability to operators being cannons for 548 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 1: all of the most Grosty nectoris in conduct a state 549 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: wide to camping band with the penalties of about the 550 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: five thousand dollars in the under jail and removal of 551 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: all the almost assistance and public safety funding any jurisdiction 552 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: that refuses to enforce the van lower your few process 553 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:35,879 Speaker 1: protections for persons experiencing homelessness involuntarily committed to state sachiatric institutions, 554 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: as well as the thread of jail or five thousand 555 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: dollars of clients are not appliance to the EDCAT treatment 556 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: and creation of homeless overage teams funded by holes and 557 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: sllars which require law enforcement or station or person's experience 558 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: of homelessness into those state running canons under the present 559 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: enforcement of anti candermand oh good. These UH laws were 560 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: introduced in six dates UH this past year, and they'd 561 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:14,800 Speaker 1: passed him through the UH. The billable passed in Tennessee 562 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: didn't have some of the other elements UH again there 563 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 1: shiningly in the safe or air market or Prince UH 564 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,879 Speaker 1: or even the studios double minimum wage. They had made 565 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 1: it illegal camp on any public property in state with 566 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: the penalty of being up to a year in prison. 567 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: In Tennessee, permanent disentrance use. This cierrositue was founded by 568 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: a conservative adventure capitalist named Joe Bombsale with investments in 569 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 1: private prisons and mott's racial and gender equity by making 570 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: movies of themself playing great video games, taking down any news, 571 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: to promoting equery and truly the Povian passion. He's funneling 572 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,800 Speaker 1: his building into progress. He's a promoting the legislation that 573 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: will literally filled his private prisons with people made homelessness, 574 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 1: made homeless YouTube be incredible, like with the Unitedation, in 575 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: this country, HM, we need all of you out thet 576 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: are educating in your state officials on the importance of 577 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: evidence based approaches and in homelessness. Beyond uh regular coalization. 578 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 1: There's also been a recent trend of proposals of the 579 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,800 Speaker 1: state level but made it easier to involuntarily committed individuals 580 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: get a mentional palme coortation problems or are also experience 581 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: of homesseness. Has noted that this is being quoted to 582 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,320 Speaker 1: the Cis Rossi in ciser of institutes the chemical legislation 583 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,479 Speaker 1: in conservative states, but scarily the similar goosal has also 584 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 1: virged in California as being compled course by the government 585 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: and it seems lately as the legislature and law enforcement 586 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: is explicitly empowered to make referral STEMP systems, and obviously 587 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 1: this has a distort impact. It's lately to result in 588 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: the segregation of persons of the mental disabilities of people 589 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,919 Speaker 1: in the regionalized history of the misuse of involuntary amain 590 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: and people were having as kind of body individuals historic premia. 591 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: We have similar concerns with this form of institutionalization as 592 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 1: we do with laws that made easier to incarcity of 593 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 1: our most instance. So again er are folks to point 594 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: out with the evidence that involuntaritorytents don't actually work and 595 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: if this is basically in another form of been imprisonment 596 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,720 Speaker 1: in institutions. The good news is that across the country 597 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,320 Speaker 1: courseustrating down the laws at the rates and possi losing 598 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:30,720 Speaker 1: religations the other postic criminalization and possign communities. Since twenty fifteen, 599 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,360 Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the challenges to the canhad of 600 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: events that webs to overturning or reviewal of ordinance. The 601 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: same goes for sixty percent of challenges to anti ordinances 602 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 1: and three quarters of weather evans and two thirds Occoosirevans, 603 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,800 Speaker 1: and I wanted to hilate this language from our murders 604 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 1: supposing the decision here because it's so powerful, not just 605 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,760 Speaker 1: from the legal side, but from the perspective of changing 606 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: the false narrative of personal choice. Boller. This idea that 607 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: says awful animal shelter and services that some people are 608 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:09,319 Speaker 1: just service resistance. Never is that these communities have been 609 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: resistant to provide housing services that people who actually need 610 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: and art causes have. If communities kind of at the 611 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: energy and resources into improving ouergation services they put into 612 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: coming out with the new ways and criminalizing homelessness and 613 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 1: enforcing them, we get all end homelessness and all those 614 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: negative impass tomorrow. And that's why we need all of 615 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,800 Speaker 1: you out. Gotta be our eyes and ears and the 616 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: field and setting out to service organizational acquaintance. And that's 617 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: where witnesses when these cases do mantors litigation. And it's 618 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 1: not just homeless individuals where gests. Does this look like 619 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: the safe situations for law enforcement? Now it puts them 620 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,400 Speaker 1: and more risk as well. And that's why the Dog's 621 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: op top is dedicated and entire news whe are talking 622 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: about alternatives to criminalization so they could get police and 623 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,160 Speaker 1: prosecutors out of that role. And what doesness occur are 624 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: in former ball enforcement thesials up in the doors who 625 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: are having a nd this campaign. There's other problem out 626 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: there as well. In twenty twenty one, for the first time, 627 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: dj included the treatment of pumless persons explicitly in their 628 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: civil rights investigation in the city of Units. We are 629 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,240 Speaker 1: able to connect the DJA investigators with the local lawyers 630 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,840 Speaker 1: and service providers who run them marwood the streets, with 631 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:25,320 Speaker 1: them who have actually witnessed UH suites and progress, and 632 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: we are looking forward to seeing their findings. Con Tent three. 633 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,800 Speaker 1: And as I'm sure we all know since twenty fifteen, 634 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 1: huts continuing in the air coming and applications to communities, 635 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 1: the propression and reduction of criminalization of homelessness is up 636 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 1: to work a word up to two points of other 637 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:46,360 Speaker 1: application and that those points on that so our recommendation 638 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,320 Speaker 1: is is early those points by advocating against criminalization in 639 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: partnership with those group directing the real alternative to all 640 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,760 Speaker 1: of these policies have mankeing sure that people aren't getting 641 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,359 Speaker 1: terminalized because they aren't at the streets in the first 642 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 1: place because they're an adne cousm and that's why it's great. 643 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 1: Because of fining pnning or the message of hausing to 644 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 1: be recognized as basically human right who as pall maarns 645 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: or a type of using the language of houses of 646 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 1: human rights costs in line with the international advocates and 647 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: helps prevent abuses in other areas from the civil and humanimates. 648 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,840 Speaker 1: In the context of human rights. The US is currently 649 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 1: scheduled for a superiod review about the even committee an 650 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,239 Speaker 1: domination of racial discrimination preserved in August and then it's 651 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,479 Speaker 1: a last of view of the US they could maytee 652 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 1: recognize the deserving happi of criminalization of almost as unlipp 653 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,800 Speaker 1: communities makes specific recremmendations to abolish the practice language that 654 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,280 Speaker 1: doesn't take widely in the context of UH the abolition 655 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,920 Speaker 1: of slavery and said kay human rights approaches will be 656 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,400 Speaker 1: sharing committees and use the recommendations when they come out 657 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 1: of August and what should use that tou as part 658 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: of their advocacy to show how car out of your 659 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 1: stuff with international norms. So we are the anchors or 660 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:13,719 Speaker 1: cloud recommendation and or to be pregnant. Thank you, Eric. UH. 661 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: One of the things I wanted to point out today 662 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 1: it I would be remiss not to speak on it 663 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 1: is right now in Los Angeles, California, the city council 664 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: is voting to expand forty one eighteen. And for people 665 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 1: that do not know that are not in Los Angeles, 666 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 1: forty one eighteen makes it a l a crime for 667 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,799 Speaker 1: unhoused people to sit, sleep and lie. They've already had 668 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:40,280 Speaker 1: created another legislation policy against unhoused people repairing their bikes. 669 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: I noticed people were gasping at being considered a sex 670 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,840 Speaker 1: offender if you're using the bathroom on the streets. But 671 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,480 Speaker 1: consider for a moment that there are unhoused families that 672 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,840 Speaker 1: are living out on the streets that are near schools. 673 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,319 Speaker 1: So forty one eighteen impacts those families the parents as well, 674 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 1: and the lack of bathroom access as you know you 675 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 1: have children is going to create a ground swell of 676 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,960 Speaker 1: antipathy and up parents. House parents have weaponized UH the 677 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 1: safety of children against the unhoused. UH basically human basic 678 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,839 Speaker 1: human rights. So I want you to consider it. Right now, 679 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 1: a city council is voading to criminalize houselessness everywhere. You 680 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 1: can't sleep in your car. It's eighty five oh two 681 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,840 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, you can't repair your bike, and you 682 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 1: can't be seen anywhere sitting sleep in their life. And 683 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,239 Speaker 1: heaven forbid, because we have no bathroom access there. They're 684 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,400 Speaker 1: locking the bathrooms in certain places that you're going to 685 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 1: have to use the restroom and the best way you 686 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 1: can and for your car, then you're going to be 687 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 1: facing the same fate. But I'm gonna turn the conversation 688 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 1: over to Jerry. Jerry has a f a few notes 689 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 1: that he wants to impart with us as well. Kay, 690 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 1: and where did you all yours as a dad and 691 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 1: roma a life? As uh, I've been working on this 692 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,880 Speaker 1: mountains with my colleagues for months now. It's good to 693 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,560 Speaker 1: see if it come up to ruision. I've uh most 694 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: of taken away valuable UH learnings and that new people 695 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 1: and and that's a big experience. And and if you 696 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 1: wonder how these workshops come together, it it's very much 697 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,880 Speaker 1: the process of the individual stabbinun or taking the assignment 698 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,880 Speaker 1: of different topics. This uh, this workshop is one that 699 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 1: I helped coordinate and like I think color stabbumers of 700 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: the alliance. I didn't take the people I admire most 701 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,160 Speaker 1: on that particular topic. And so I've been following the 702 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,720 Speaker 1: Media House podcast. I think feel pal tension UH shortly 703 00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 1: since probably it began. I remember signing up when I 704 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,320 Speaker 1: as soon as I heard that if anyone working in 705 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: the sector of homelessness that is it yet subscribing the 706 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:57,680 Speaker 1: Media House should and I have. I've long admired UH, 707 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,360 Speaker 1: Eric Tars and the now UH we named the National 708 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 1: almost As Law Center. UH. So that's the regual. Okay. 709 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,719 Speaker 1: The two people who aren't with US Air League works 710 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,440 Speaker 1: for Business Community Housing in Los Angeles. I wanted her 711 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,480 Speaker 1: inside on this, especially because Bignest Community Housing is a 712 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,840 Speaker 1: provider or frontline organization, not a large nun product that 713 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:25,600 Speaker 1: prioritizes human rights and is fighting the criminalization of holmlessness. 714 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,480 Speaker 1: And any provider organizations to learn a lot from UH 715 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,520 Speaker 1: their work and and we need to insolidating together for 716 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,480 Speaker 1: serving UH people in need to to prioritize this issue. 717 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,800 Speaker 1: Just as functions, we're prioritizing some of the best services, 718 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:47,800 Speaker 1: and UH are sample some move samples road. UH runs 719 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 1: a system he's assistantly that runs a coalition in Texas 720 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,640 Speaker 1: and so his perspective perspective coalitions that are working on 721 00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:00,279 Speaker 1: this issue are examples as well. I I like would 722 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,800 Speaker 1: be a grief. I I wanted to make sure that 723 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,120 Speaker 1: you know they're at the hard points are the app 724 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,640 Speaker 1: and so uh take some time after this to them 725 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,560 Speaker 1: to uh to work at what they would have to 726 00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,479 Speaker 1: share in the session now. Also just wanted to maybe 727 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 1: reflect on whatever app as its separate and increasingly affimation 728 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,920 Speaker 1: on this issue of homelessness and it's connection to the 729 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:31,520 Speaker 1: criminalization of people experiencing it. I uh, you know, I've 730 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,840 Speaker 1: been working on holmlessness until like risk gains, and I 731 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,759 Speaker 1: feel like it was the first wave of how criminalization 732 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:43,400 Speaker 1: was playing out, which was really the result of and 733 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 1: the city is people that has its roots in all 734 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:50,000 Speaker 1: of us, which is the desire to make difficult problems disappear. 735 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,719 Speaker 1: And the reality is that people seeing other people out 736 00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,840 Speaker 1: on the streets, it's it's unsettling, it's uh experience disconservative. 737 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:06,359 Speaker 1: And uh, partly because I did get calls any question 738 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,759 Speaker 1: around vulnerabilities. Partly because we know that it's long for 739 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,640 Speaker 1: people who be living out of doors and at their money. 740 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,560 Speaker 1: You've got me something they were wrong with this sosigny 741 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,520 Speaker 1: when that's the kind of problems, so we don't want 742 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 1: to deal with that, and you would listen to the 743 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,080 Speaker 1: problem to just simply go away. And I think that 744 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:28,080 Speaker 1: asked that of the reaction, that almostness that didn't put 745 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,719 Speaker 1: us for a long time as another criminalization from the 746 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,040 Speaker 1: very beginning of the era and ask for the Aread 747 00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,799 Speaker 1: Cosh in New York and the aids. This is wort 748 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,800 Speaker 1: of notorious or being on a chop one street holmlessness. 749 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,839 Speaker 1: He was a conservative uh any hot so where as 750 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:49,680 Speaker 1: hero uh generally progressive god mayor of the land. Uh 751 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,440 Speaker 1: if you were remember in the late ages, he was 752 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,640 Speaker 1: proposed that any one people was on the streets we 753 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:58,680 Speaker 1: can especially I meet uh which uh at the times 754 00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,960 Speaker 1: when period the pass long under the partid regia in 755 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,800 Speaker 1: South Africa. So he was as top bounds prete humblest 756 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:10,120 Speaker 1: instance as that of conference. And so there's there's been 757 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 1: this trend of just trying to make people disappear. I 758 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,960 Speaker 1: think that's that's continues to this day. There's also I 759 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,719 Speaker 1: I feel a second wave of criminalization that's been empted 760 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,319 Speaker 1: to the real estate market in Bourbon areas that's gotten 761 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,120 Speaker 1: onward expensive and so in a way that probably didn't 762 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,719 Speaker 1: exist decade. And really you have very very wealthy people 763 00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,040 Speaker 1: living alongside the very very important and people and destitution, 764 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,560 Speaker 1: and so there's a reaction to that and law enforcement 765 00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:42,200 Speaker 1: and UH business improvement of districts and the laws, the UH, 766 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,239 Speaker 1: the the Yorks machine in Lost Angeles. There's a more 767 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,839 Speaker 1: recent revelople end on this point because I don't really 768 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,719 Speaker 1: have a conclusion for you or a recommendation for what 769 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,840 Speaker 1: we should do. And you need to be aware of 770 00:49:55,080 --> 00:50:00,840 Speaker 1: the increasing politic politicalization of our issue of homelessness in 771 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,680 Speaker 1: the in the national debate, which I think reached a 772 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,400 Speaker 1: different level back in two thousand nineteen when President Trump 773 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:14,520 Speaker 1: began criticizing Eric Garcetti and Governor Houston in California for 774 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,719 Speaker 1: what he saw was a squalor up the streets of 775 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,560 Speaker 1: UH blue cities and blue states, and he proposed in 776 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,920 Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen that bolts from skid road, he taken 777 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,800 Speaker 1: too uh federal lands outside the city and put in 778 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,680 Speaker 1: the campus. Would you wonder the mins It was a closal. 779 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,520 Speaker 1: There were high level UH official salidations that came to 780 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,160 Speaker 1: Los Angeles to kind of negotiated how they might work 781 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:45,480 Speaker 1: with UH, the Garcetti staff, and it was while seriously 782 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,000 Speaker 1: they kind of fell apart, I think partly because of 783 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,399 Speaker 1: the pandemic. So this was two thousand nineteen into two 784 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,799 Speaker 1: thousand and twenty. The negotiations were going on and then 785 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:59,040 Speaker 1: the debate moved and moved on to other issues. So 786 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,040 Speaker 1: we s see this idea of sanctions encampents, the idea 787 00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:08,680 Speaker 1: of removing people experiencing homelessness forceibly into UH tense cities 788 00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,279 Speaker 1: or camps. This is this is a central idea. This 789 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,960 Speaker 1: is pros to model legislation that's being proposed in that America. 790 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,799 Speaker 1: U spoke about the answered questions you have all we've 791 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,960 Speaker 1: all been at a a intense conference for three days now. 792 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,360 Speaker 1: Just by a show of Andrew, who's aware that yesterday 793 00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:34,279 Speaker 1: President Trump made his first speech in Washington sentence UH 794 00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:39,439 Speaker 1: under election, in which he humblessness was a cynical part 795 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,560 Speaker 1: of his discussion. UH. He talked about humblessness in crime 796 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:49,520 Speaker 1: and returned to this idea of camps of tents in 797 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,279 Speaker 1: remote areas that people who are humbless and UH in 798 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 1: earlier area then be relocated there. And the sound bite 799 00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,400 Speaker 1: to the speech was UH America's a cesspool of crime 800 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:06,919 Speaker 1: and homelessness. I don't think this was Trump being bombastic 801 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:12,360 Speaker 1: or unscripted. Uh. This is the outline of a political program. 802 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:18,160 Speaker 1: And it's not accidental that what he said yesterday is 803 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,360 Speaker 1: entirely consistent of what he was proposing as a president 804 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,960 Speaker 1: in two thousand nineteen for Los Angeles. It's not accidental 805 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,440 Speaker 1: that it echoes what the Sister of Us to Do 806 00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,200 Speaker 1: is pushing and has gotten active in a couple of places. 807 00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,320 Speaker 1: And we can assume I think that this idea of 808 00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,480 Speaker 1: necessary the people who are experiencing, almost to speak, to 809 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,120 Speaker 1: be relocated in camps. It's something they've tested in the 810 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:48,200 Speaker 1: poles on their face, and it just has to be 811 00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,320 Speaker 1: pointed out that there is something that sort of a 812 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:55,200 Speaker 1: familiar from us. There are other examples of of people 813 00:52:55,239 --> 00:53:00,840 Speaker 1: who are margin onze, uh, people who are politically unpopular 814 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,560 Speaker 1: being relocated in the camps. And I'm not making false 815 00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:09,279 Speaker 1: equivalences here, but I'm saying that this resonates with with 816 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,719 Speaker 1: a sort of constituency that I think is being spoken to. 817 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:18,239 Speaker 1: So the deliver over us is that this debate over 818 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,120 Speaker 1: criminalization is shifted into a political program. I don't think 819 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,759 Speaker 1: we're ready for it, and I'm I'm not. You're a 820 00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,160 Speaker 1: closed uh respond to it, and you're the plan should do. 821 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:34,440 Speaker 1: We are mostly uh case workers, we're politicians, We're we're 822 00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,600 Speaker 1: people who have experienced almosts and and the hell of 823 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,480 Speaker 1: that we are now feeling. We're we're we're folks who 824 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,560 Speaker 1: are mostly focused on uh the direct services and looking 825 00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:49,920 Speaker 1: at the programs, trying anything better data or uh models 826 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:55,840 Speaker 1: that might show more promise. We're not political professionals, and 827 00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:03,160 Speaker 1: yet our issue is unmistably, unmissably you going into the 828 00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,400 Speaker 1: political or worth ess that I'm not sure if gery's 829 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,359 Speaker 1: going to go, but I am kind of We're warn 830 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,440 Speaker 1: all they have to be working through a lot work 831 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:15,400 Speaker 1: and then having uh something to say about the pronoization 832 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,760 Speaker 1: almost just based on the uh the presidents of martist 833 00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,920 Speaker 1: or in Jery worn you haven't seen it yet. It's 834 00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,839 Speaker 1: that it's something you gotta I I it'll be use 835 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,239 Speaker 1: So it's your part. So would that out uh mo 836 00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:37,960 Speaker 1: fororth of is it? I also I also wanted to 837 00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,200 Speaker 1: have one quick thing that Jerry makes an excellent point on. 838 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,759 Speaker 1: Let's consider for a moment of the t uh the 839 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,880 Speaker 1: past coming to the present and the unhoused community is 840 00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,680 Speaker 1: being shuttled somewhere else and all of the com uh, 841 00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,960 Speaker 1: the the body of people here, Where would we be 842 00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,000 Speaker 1: in order to be able to help people being displaced 843 00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,479 Speaker 1: out into the deserts? How would those services? What would 844 00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,600 Speaker 1: those services really look like? Because I know in Los 845 00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,680 Speaker 1: Angeles they're talking about putting them near the airport or 846 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,719 Speaker 1: the desert. And how will those services be in real 847 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,920 Speaker 1: time of helpful to get people out of house Austans 848 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:19,160 Speaker 1: if they're being shuttled into simular eerily prehistoric camp camps 849 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,800 Speaker 1: or detention centers or however, they're going to gloss over that. 850 00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,719 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna open up the discussion with a quick 851 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,600 Speaker 1: question about it, is that where do you see yourself 852 00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,040 Speaker 1: in the fight, because this is a war of poverty 853 00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,239 Speaker 1: and war and the poor, and how can you be 854 00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:38,120 Speaker 1: more vocal in order to stop this this crisis that's 855 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:54,880 Speaker 1: from happening. This is a point, Uh, there's a a 856 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:59,920 Speaker 1: real danger. Uh. Obviously Trump is tent that the extreme 857 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:06,240 Speaker 1: of using this harmful apl rhetoric, and you know Jerry 858 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:12,359 Speaker 1: was afraid of making police equivalences. I'm gonna go there 859 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,600 Speaker 1: at least a little bit, because you know, what I 860 00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:19,439 Speaker 1: saw during his administration was first he decided I'm gonna 861 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,839 Speaker 1: try and put kids in cages and see if pass cool. 862 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,960 Speaker 1: And he was cool for a long time. There's a 863 00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,600 Speaker 1: lot of people and until it kind of got a 864 00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,600 Speaker 1: lot of press. And so after seeing if what he 865 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,160 Speaker 1: could do to people who were undocumented, who weren'ts this 866 00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,120 Speaker 1: and who's the next and most vulnerable group who we 867 00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:40,680 Speaker 1: could test, you know, policies on that. You could see 868 00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,919 Speaker 1: if you could lock them up, displace them and put 869 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,120 Speaker 1: them into these camps where they have to be under 870 00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,759 Speaker 1: penalty because they don't have anywhere else to go. So 871 00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,640 Speaker 1: if it's a crime to be almost anywhere, then the 872 00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,920 Speaker 1: only place they can be is in is in those encamps. 873 00:56:55,520 --> 00:57:00,520 Speaker 1: And so you know, there's that old like first they 874 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,600 Speaker 1: came for the Communists, but I didn't object because I 875 00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,080 Speaker 1: wasn't a Communist. And then they came for the Jews, 876 00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,200 Speaker 1: but they didn't I didn't object cause I was want to. 877 00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,120 Speaker 1: Then the camer used to hide I I see this. 878 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,680 Speaker 1: I saw it definitely when it proposed it in twenty nineteen, 879 00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:21,000 Speaker 1: and I see it again now like this, this is 880 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:25,280 Speaker 1: part of this is where we come into the war 881 00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:35,440 Speaker 1: against fascism in our country. So so yeah, this is 882 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,280 Speaker 1: where where we need to speech up and make sure 883 00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:42,000 Speaker 1: that other people are speaking up as well. And then 884 00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,040 Speaker 1: the other point I'd made is that while Trump is 885 00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,840 Speaker 1: using this rhetoric at April rheter, one of the points 886 00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,400 Speaker 1: he makes UH the speeches, he says, for the good 887 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,040 Speaker 1: of everyone, the homeless need to go to shelters, and 888 00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,000 Speaker 1: mentally ill need to go to institutions, and the undercouns. 889 00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,080 Speaker 1: Drug addicts need to go to rehab and and if 890 00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:06,120 Speaker 1: if appropriate, the jail. The best way, the only way 891 00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,800 Speaker 1: to address homelessness is to open up large parcels of 892 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:10,880 Speaker 1: wind in the agorages of the city, bring the middle 893 00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,160 Speaker 1: of professionals, build permitive althnues and other facilities, and create 894 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:19,640 Speaker 1: thousands of high quality in tents being our dressing. This 895 00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:23,080 Speaker 1: is not in those language of we care about what 896 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,479 Speaker 1: people experiencing a moment. This is for they're good, only good. 897 00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,600 Speaker 1: This is real the good of people who can't, who 898 00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,920 Speaker 1: haven't chosen can choose to do any better. And this 899 00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:36,040 Speaker 1: is where we as UH Home with Service, providers with 900 00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:41,560 Speaker 1: homes and advocates have UH have left ourselves spoken because 901 00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,880 Speaker 1: we have been busy focusing on in what we know 902 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:50,640 Speaker 1: are the best evidence based uh harm reducing strategies, that's 903 00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:55,080 Speaker 1: you know, permanent housing, and we haven't been given the 904 00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,800 Speaker 1: resources to put out We had a good amounts of 905 00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,720 Speaker 1: permanent housing, a portable housings that need and so homelessess 906 00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,720 Speaker 1: has continue to grow, and that is at this crisis 907 00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,360 Speaker 1: point of unheltered uousness where people are suffering on the 908 00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,439 Speaker 1: streets and we are being cast as people who don't 909 00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,960 Speaker 1: care about that's suffering because we're so focused on the 910 00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,160 Speaker 1: end solutions. And it's really hard for me as an 911 00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:23,360 Speaker 1: advocate to advocate for a interim solution when I know 912 00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,640 Speaker 1: that's gonna be in a world of scarce resources, that's 913 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,800 Speaker 1: gonna take away from the permanent resources. And so by 914 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:35,600 Speaker 1: focusing and saying we have a solution for this, for 915 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:40,080 Speaker 1: in an interim solution where we can put people for 916 00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,320 Speaker 1: their own good while y you know, but they don't 917 00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,360 Speaker 1: say while we work on the permanent solutions, they are 918 00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,000 Speaker 1: actually trying to take away funding from the permanent solutions 919 00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,040 Speaker 1: while they do this. And that's the real danger is 920 00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,440 Speaker 1: that this isn't harm r reducing. They're using the language 921 00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,560 Speaker 1: of harm reduction they're using, you know the fact that 922 00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,920 Speaker 1: some legalizing candidates have and a form of harm production 923 01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:05,160 Speaker 1: to people on the street. But that's not what they're 924 01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:11,200 Speaker 1: setting up. They're explicitly uh removing liability from the camp 925 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,240 Speaker 1: operators in these cicero bills or anything that's the most 926 01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:18,080 Speaker 1: grossly language in conduct. So that means, you know, they're 927 01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,280 Speaker 1: not trying to make these welcoming places. They're you know, 928 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,800 Speaker 1: they're setting them up to be horrible places that they 929 01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,240 Speaker 1: you know that the camp operators can and you get 930 01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:31,880 Speaker 1: sued for so. But if they are using this language 931 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,960 Speaker 1: of harm production when they are actually going to be 932 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,000 Speaker 1: inducing art and I I think that's that's a real 933 01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,440 Speaker 1: thing to the weed as a field. Need to be 934 01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,480 Speaker 1: able to confront and figure out how we are are 935 01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,600 Speaker 1: going to address what are the the interurant solutions that 936 01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:54,120 Speaker 1: are actually uh acceptable, that are harm producing, that are 937 01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:58,480 Speaker 1: in language comment form principles that can make it like 938 01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:02,120 Speaker 1: immediately better for everybody, not just the house to keep 939 01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,320 Speaker 1: on and then you know, how do we keep the 940 01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:08,760 Speaker 1: known and doing or the the parents. I wanna add 941 01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,160 Speaker 1: a couple of things to and one of the things 942 01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:14,800 Speaker 1: that I have in Los Angeles have had people activists 943 01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:19,720 Speaker 1: or the mayor in the city have demonized when we say, 944 01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,200 Speaker 1: because we understand what's going on, the criminal uh the 945 01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,560 Speaker 1: cultural effects of let's say Project Room key or pro 946 01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,680 Speaker 1: or tiny sheds, they created such a a horrible environment, 947 01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,400 Speaker 1: and when we speak out about it, they're saying that 948 01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,720 Speaker 1: we don't want to help unhouse people. We want to 949 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,560 Speaker 1: keep them on the streets. But we know what's going on, 950 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,840 Speaker 1: and we are speaking out against the h constitutionality because 951 01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:45,760 Speaker 1: we know what their endgame is. Missing from that conversation 952 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:51,680 Speaker 1: is a growing olderly population. And many n conservative conversations, 953 01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:53,840 Speaker 1: they always say that you pick up yourself out of 954 01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,640 Speaker 1: your bootstep, you got out of substances, you've worked your hard, 955 01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,200 Speaker 1: and you've saved your taxes. But the reality is the 956 01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,600 Speaker 1: elderly popul The oldest person that I've interviewed is ninety 957 01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,760 Speaker 1: years old. You can't say that he's got to get 958 01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:07,760 Speaker 1: a job, he needs to get off of drugs because 959 01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,680 Speaker 1: he's at the advancing stage of life. His rent is expensive, 960 01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,960 Speaker 1: medical expenses are at high that he's making a gamble, 961 01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,560 Speaker 1: and his gamble is trying to stay alive. So he's 962 01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:22,040 Speaker 1: on the street, and the conversation when we would tell 963 01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:25,120 Speaker 1: them that this is not just a box where there 964 01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:28,040 Speaker 1: are people like they'd like to believe that don't want hell, 965 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,040 Speaker 1: this is not true. The youngest person that I've interviewed 966 01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,160 Speaker 1: that's been displaced is ten years old. That the family 967 01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,040 Speaker 1: lives out on the street. The other mother with two 968 01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,240 Speaker 1: infant children are living on the street. It's not that 969 01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,600 Speaker 1: you know, they don't want to get help, they can't 970 01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:46,880 Speaker 1: afford the places that are becoming unsustainable. But when you 971 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,400 Speaker 1: have when we speak about these car SOO solutions like 972 01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:55,040 Speaker 1: Project groom Key or tiny sheds and telling them they're 973 01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:58,600 Speaker 1: deliberately making these places uninhabitable, not putting the keys or 974 01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:02,920 Speaker 1: making it so untenable. It is not because activists don't 975 01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,120 Speaker 1: want them to get help. Is that they are deliberately 976 01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,520 Speaker 1: trying to make it such a horrible situation. Then they 977 01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:09,320 Speaker 1: would just throw up their hands off. Fine, they'll just 978 01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,560 Speaker 1: do a permanent encampment out into the desert. And many, 979 01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:16,480 Speaker 1: unfortunately people that grew uh graft On listen to them 980 01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,800 Speaker 1: and push that narrative as well. Jerry, what's your insight 981 01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:27,360 Speaker 1: on this? Well, I think the the the the most 982 01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:32,200 Speaker 1: provant part of this is if homelessness becomes a partisan 983 01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:36,120 Speaker 1: football at long point. Uh, that's that's not really about 984 01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:42,920 Speaker 1: solutions upnor this isn't why it's being pulled into the 985 01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:47,760 Speaker 1: of the day, but rather as a uh, a way 986 01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:51,120 Speaker 1: to signal a l allegiance to one side or the other. 987 01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:54,320 Speaker 1: And it becomes very polarized, as we've seen so many 988 01:03:54,400 --> 01:04:00,040 Speaker 1: other issues in American politics become. It then becomes so 989 01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:02,640 Speaker 1: much harder for us to get the resources we need, 990 01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,160 Speaker 1: the consensus that is essential for us to make progress 991 01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:10,680 Speaker 1: on the scarcity of affordable housing and the services for homelessness. 992 01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:15,480 Speaker 1: Many many in the room will will remember a time 993 01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:21,720 Speaker 1: when homelessness was very bipartisan. And we have attendees at 994 01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,880 Speaker 1: this conference from all over the country, and there are mayors, 995 01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,760 Speaker 1: there are county executives and others who are Republicans who 996 01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,560 Speaker 1: are very committed to the same things we're trying to do. 997 01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:35,440 Speaker 1: Stuart de McKinney was a Republican congressman from Connecticut. We 998 01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:40,240 Speaker 1: remember Susan Baker was a founder of the National Alliance 999 01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:44,040 Speaker 1: Stone Homelessness, wife of James Baker the third. So this 1000 01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:48,280 Speaker 1: this is you know what most of these workshops you've 1001 01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,560 Speaker 1: attended over the last three years of three years, three 1002 01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,920 Speaker 1: three days has been about programs and strategies and you 1003 01:04:55,000 --> 01:05:00,760 Speaker 1: know what works. There's there's always gonna be you know, 1004 01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,640 Speaker 1: mean spiritedness, There's gonna be ninbi's, There's gonna be folks 1005 01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,960 Speaker 1: who just don't care about poor people. And this this 1006 01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:09,680 Speaker 1: includes you know, some Republicans who from a fiscal standpoint, 1007 01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:14,520 Speaker 1: oppose the priorities that we're advancing because they just don't 1008 01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:18,680 Speaker 1: want to spend money on poor people. But but again, 1009 01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:24,360 Speaker 1: I feel like there's there's the beginning of metastatization of 1010 01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:29,280 Speaker 1: this highly partisan, polarized rhetoric that is then going to 1011 01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:33,480 Speaker 1: have ripple effects in blue cities like Los Angeles, where 1012 01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:38,080 Speaker 1: it will then be you know, not as abnormal to 1013 01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,280 Speaker 1: say that you can draw a map under forty one 1014 01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:45,200 Speaker 1: eighteen D where the literally a person without housing cannot exist. 1015 01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:47,440 Speaker 1: You know, you can't be in the city limits a 1016 01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:49,680 Speaker 1: lot of places you're from. I bet that's true even 1017 01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:54,120 Speaker 1: now there. You know, if if someone pitches a tent 1018 01:05:54,440 --> 01:06:00,880 Speaker 1: that they're moved along. So so I that's my uh, 1019 01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,280 Speaker 1: my basic takeaway is this is something we need we 1020 01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:08,680 Speaker 1: need to figure out fast, because I wasn't expecting you know. 1021 01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:10,640 Speaker 1: I mean you had to. There's a lot going on 1022 01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,040 Speaker 1: in Washington. I hope you all also have have the 1023 01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,800 Speaker 1: chance to kind of enjoy just being in the center 1024 01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:20,320 Speaker 1: of American public governance and and what's going on here. 1025 01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,600 Speaker 1: The big story this summer has mostly been around January sixth, 1026 01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:27,720 Speaker 1: and uh sort of those those types of issues. Why 1027 01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,720 Speaker 1: the former president would pick homelessness of all the things 1028 01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,640 Speaker 1: he would want to talk about, is linking homelessness and 1029 01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:37,040 Speaker 1: crime as his first major address coming back to town 1030 01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,320 Speaker 1: is is a red flag, to say the least, and 1031 01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,920 Speaker 1: we need to get ready. I'm on there is a 1032 01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:50,680 Speaker 1: pipe pipe parts and communication between Republican and progressive in 1033 01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,120 Speaker 1: demonizing the House. It's still there. It's just it's going 1034 01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:57,000 Speaker 1: to a different dependence. And it is not an accident, 1035 01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,440 Speaker 1: I really would. It's a big emphasize because with forty one, 1036 01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,640 Speaker 1: eighteen is not in a Republican's place. These are Democrats 1037 01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,800 Speaker 1: that are openly uh listening to the siren songs. And 1038 01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:12,520 Speaker 1: that's why that's the bipartisan reaching across the aisle conversation 1039 01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:16,000 Speaker 1: that is going to be a universal thing. So when 1040 01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,240 Speaker 1: we when we say the labels of that in the 1041 01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,920 Speaker 1: past of being addressing on the house. That's wonderful, but 1042 01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:24,320 Speaker 1: there's still bipartisans there. And the bipartisan thing is those 1043 01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:28,960 Speaker 1: tiny shards the forty one eighteen by the majority of 1044 01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:34,160 Speaker 1: progressive Democratic people are voting to excuse or to demonize 1045 01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,160 Speaker 1: people of color and people that are displaced out in 1046 01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:41,320 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. So yes, uh, Tennessee and some other red 1047 01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:43,960 Speaker 1: strates are doing it, but the progressive area as well, 1048 01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,680 Speaker 1: and we need to be coming to a conversational point 1049 01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:50,320 Speaker 1: which brings them. Another question is like they're uh the media, 1050 01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:54,880 Speaker 1: the importance of having to attack the community through the media. 1051 01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:58,560 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan has made it acceptable to go up and 1052 01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:01,560 Speaker 1: start shooting the house people. I spoke about it, So 1053 01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:06,360 Speaker 1: it has become a conversational, easy talking point for anybody 1054 01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,040 Speaker 1: to talk about that, say about a house. So how 1055 01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,000 Speaker 1: can we push back from the social media standpoint or 1056 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,600 Speaker 1: are from our own sources to really get the stories 1057 01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:19,400 Speaker 1: out here that we're not gonna stand for fastest. Yeah, 1058 01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,639 Speaker 1: you know, I think the real danger that Trump brought 1059 01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:29,799 Speaker 1: into this, and that has been perpetuated by Tucker Carlson 1060 01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,320 Speaker 1: and Fox News. If folks have seen some of those segments, 1061 01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:39,080 Speaker 1: is that they have now linked Housing First with critical 1062 01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:43,599 Speaker 1: race theory and other you know, talking points that they 1063 01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:47,600 Speaker 1: have that they don't actually understand, but that are just slogans. 1064 01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:51,240 Speaker 1: And it's made Housing first toxic even to Republicans who 1065 01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:55,639 Speaker 1: used to support it, who know that it is both 1066 01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:59,960 Speaker 1: the like, you know, best policy and the fiscally concern 1067 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:05,880 Speaker 1: servative thing to do, but now now see being seen 1068 01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:09,639 Speaker 1: to support that gives them, you know, gives their their 1069 01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:13,760 Speaker 1: primary opponents a talk another talking point that that you know, 1070 01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:19,760 Speaker 1: they can out right flank them with. And so you know, yeah, 1071 01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:25,320 Speaker 1: I think if there ever was you know, bipartisan consensus 1072 01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:30,400 Speaker 1: there were at the federal level around around housing first 1073 01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:34,840 Speaker 1: and supporting it, that's certainly much more difficult, if not 1074 01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:38,080 Speaker 1: impossible now. And and this THEO said, at the local level, 1075 01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:42,720 Speaker 1: all politics has always been local and uh, there's been 1076 01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:47,439 Speaker 1: five partisan pushes for criminalization for for a long time. 1077 01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:52,560 Speaker 1: But on the on the communications point is Marsall in 1078 01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:59,280 Speaker 1: here still. Marsall Bellow from the Housing Narrative Lab has 1079 01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:05,000 Speaker 1: come out with some new research with some interesting ways 1080 01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:11,000 Speaker 1: of uh saying that like you can use a talking 1081 01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,439 Speaker 1: point that kind of says, there's some people who want 1082 01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:17,360 Speaker 1: us to think about this simply and to say that 1083 01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:20,200 Speaker 1: the only thing we can do is kind of lock 1084 01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:24,320 Speaker 1: up people experiencing uh who are on the streets. But 1085 01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:27,919 Speaker 1: that's not our value as Americans, as you know, residents 1086 01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,960 Speaker 1: of the city or states. We know better and and 1087 01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:34,759 Speaker 1: that kind of rhetorical shift can help to break people 1088 01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:39,759 Speaker 1: out of let's look for the the quick and easy solution, 1089 01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,439 Speaker 1: because you don't want to be associated as somebody who 1090 01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:48,439 Speaker 1: thinks simply they've got some other uh talking points that 1091 01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:51,000 Speaker 1: we we did a webinar with them a couple of 1092 01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,519 Speaker 1: weeks ago, and I can try and get that uh 1093 01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:58,640 Speaker 1: information to people, but housing narrative lab, you can uh 1094 01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:03,200 Speaker 1: look them up online and uh there's other I think 1095 01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:07,120 Speaker 1: the other really important thing is the work that Mark 1096 01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:10,880 Speaker 1: Corbat over there was Invisible People is doing to be 1097 01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:15,439 Speaker 1: just getting the narrative out, you know, showing what a 1098 01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:20,040 Speaker 1: sweep looks like, talking to the impacted individuals, and really 1099 01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:25,360 Speaker 1: humanizing ins like not letting people look away and let 1100 01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:29,840 Speaker 1: this you know, the what criminalization actually looks like in 1101 01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:35,040 Speaker 1: practice go on in in our collective names. I think 1102 01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,640 Speaker 1: having you know, podcasts like THEOS as well, like you know, 1103 01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:45,599 Speaker 1: to hear uh the actual stories and the experiences of people. 1104 01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:50,479 Speaker 1: As we're doing our policy advocacy, that needs to to 1105 01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,160 Speaker 1: be kind of front and center these these uh testimonies 1106 01:11:54,200 --> 01:12:00,960 Speaker 1: of people who who have experienced this. So, Jerry, you 1107 01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,640 Speaker 1: wanna knowing like that that's the first time, Well, I 1108 01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:05,840 Speaker 1: would bring on him to a different tack. I want 1109 01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,720 Speaker 1: also to communicate I didn't. I wanna have aks a 1110 01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,320 Speaker 1: question and they will allow if it's it's so time 1111 01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:14,160 Speaker 1: for me some of the re uh the audience members 1112 01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,400 Speaker 1: that have some questions. But the my final question is this, 1113 01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:21,200 Speaker 1: if we have to such a round swell of a 1114 01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:25,880 Speaker 1: talent here, how sweeves collectively can really unbreak them by 1115 01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:30,800 Speaker 1: natural because there is a a shift. And I as 1116 01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:32,559 Speaker 1: a person of color and a black man, and I've 1117 01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:36,800 Speaker 1: been a house as criminalized as a black man, and 1118 01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:40,040 Speaker 1: I wanna get the point out, David, there is before 1119 01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:43,519 Speaker 1: George Floyd, and I wanted to say that George Floyd 1120 01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,760 Speaker 1: wasn't the first black person. The first black person that 1121 01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,839 Speaker 1: had got that kind of treatment was a black a houseman. 1122 01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:52,560 Speaker 1: And many people in the community do not even know 1123 01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:55,400 Speaker 1: what this black man is. They know George Floyd because 1124 01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:58,760 Speaker 1: it was on camera and the the incident. The black 1125 01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,040 Speaker 1: a house man that was uh that made the sense 1126 01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:04,080 Speaker 1: play before him a few years before, was on the 1127 01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:08,559 Speaker 1: camera and his name was Muhammad abdoubu Yayim. This black 1128 01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:11,760 Speaker 1: unhoused man had had the nerve to go to the 1129 01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:14,840 Speaker 1: battle when the service doll and someone called. And this 1130 01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:19,040 Speaker 1: is why when you criminalize unhoused people's basic needs and 1131 01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:22,439 Speaker 1: basic support services. They called the police defect. He brought 1132 01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,160 Speaker 1: a service dog to go to the battle and because 1133 01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:27,799 Speaker 1: it all of the police interaction, you had a breakdown. 1134 01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,240 Speaker 1: And then they did what they did to him. Those 1135 01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:35,720 Speaker 1: police officers are free, and it's really important to talk 1136 01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,000 Speaker 1: to what a mania. And I'm just gonna just say this, 1137 01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:42,000 Speaker 1: this might ruffles the feathers. There are too many white 1138 01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:45,680 Speaker 1: advocates thinking that police officers should be included in the conversation. 1139 01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:50,240 Speaker 1: And it is wrong and it is dangerous. And when 1140 01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:54,840 Speaker 1: you live side, when you leave sided w and thinking 1141 01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,719 Speaker 1: that it could be mellow dog or to be ignored, 1142 01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,760 Speaker 1: it it does something and it it and I have 1143 01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:04,120 Speaker 1: to say this to us as advocates to understand no 1144 01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,879 Speaker 1: one in here, many many do not know this unhoused 1145 01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:10,439 Speaker 1: black man's day. But many of those people had pushed 1146 01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:17,320 Speaker 1: for this advocacy of cops. For example, in Santa Monica, 1147 01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:21,880 Speaker 1: a unhoused UH A family had listened to police officers 1148 01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:25,599 Speaker 1: tell to the horror, to their horror because they didn't 1149 01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,000 Speaker 1: know that this parent family was unhoused, that if they 1150 01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:31,160 Speaker 1: seen an unhoused encampment to call the police. And you're 1151 01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,519 Speaker 1: talking about listening to police that listen to you when 1152 01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:36,640 Speaker 1: you hear in schools, listen to the teacher, listen to 1153 01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:40,240 Speaker 1: the administrator. Now you have unhoused students in there, over 1154 01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,640 Speaker 1: seventeen thousand in Los Angeles student district. What do you 1155 01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,000 Speaker 1: think that that's going to do? And many of them 1156 01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:48,599 Speaker 1: are people of color? What do you think that you've 1157 01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:50,880 Speaker 1: just brought out into that? So I want you to 1158 01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,439 Speaker 1: ponder that. But also if you guys have any further 1159 01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:56,400 Speaker 1: insight on that, I'm wanting to hear to hear that 1160 01:14:56,520 --> 01:15:05,080 Speaker 1: as well. So first I I think those points. Also 1161 01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:13,960 Speaker 1: you require acknowledging that the homeless sector often tries to 1162 01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:20,280 Speaker 1: a side step those those UH terrible events that we 1163 01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:26,400 Speaker 1: know happen when UH law enforcement is is UH trying 1164 01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:29,120 Speaker 1: to police the situation that doesn't require police. First of all, 1165 01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:34,080 Speaker 1: that there there's very little value added that officers bring 1166 01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:37,439 Speaker 1: when the when the situation is is not one of 1167 01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,360 Speaker 1: you know, imminent danger, but rather a person in crisis 1168 01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:43,200 Speaker 1: and and in need of help that they're not getting 1169 01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:50,000 Speaker 1: that the the provider sector has, I think m in 1170 01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,560 Speaker 1: many cases, and I don't wanna diminish those that have 1171 01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,960 Speaker 1: stood up and and prioritize this issue, but in many cases, 1172 01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:00,519 Speaker 1: let's just be real, it's you know, we get pub funding, 1173 01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:03,519 Speaker 1: we have to work with city halls, we have to 1174 01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:07,240 Speaker 1: think about our relationship with the mayor, and so stepping 1175 01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:11,680 Speaker 1: out on an issue like criminalization is difficult. For the 1176 01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,400 Speaker 1: five years before I came to the National Alliance, I 1177 01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:20,200 Speaker 1: coordinated a coalition of providers in Los Angeles and many 1178 01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:23,000 Speaker 1: of whom were such as Venice Community Housing, were very 1179 01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:27,040 Speaker 1: active on this issue, but most were not. And it 1180 01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:31,040 Speaker 1: was in some ways understandable that if you're a large, 1181 01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:37,559 Speaker 1: multimillion organization with responsibilities for serving housing lots of folks, 1182 01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,479 Speaker 1: that you don't want to be reckless with your your 1183 01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:44,160 Speaker 1: relationships with city hall. It's also you know, it would 1184 01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,200 Speaker 1: then be quietly acknowledged, but you know, it makes it 1185 01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:48,000 Speaker 1: really tough when we're trying to match people with the 1186 01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:52,240 Speaker 1: housing we've already secured for them. If if you're sweeping 1187 01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:54,439 Speaker 1: encampments and we don't know where people are because they're 1188 01:16:54,600 --> 01:17:01,040 Speaker 1: they've been run off. We we had that Los Angeles 1189 01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:05,519 Speaker 1: was offered the chance to meet with the Chief of 1190 01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:09,240 Speaker 1: Police of Los Angeles quarterly. We had a meeting with 1191 01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:12,559 Speaker 1: with Garcetti, and we were talking to him about this stuff. 1192 01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:15,520 Speaker 1: He said, well, well, you should meet regularly with our 1193 01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,479 Speaker 1: police chief. And it was just very difficult to figure 1194 01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:20,479 Speaker 1: out where that conversation was gonna go because it was 1195 01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:25,040 Speaker 1: clear that this constituency, unlike other homeless advocacy groups in 1196 01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:29,439 Speaker 1: Los Angeles that were much more direct in their critique 1197 01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:34,920 Speaker 1: and holding police accountable for criminalization in that city, the 1198 01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,560 Speaker 1: providers were like, you know, is this really what we 1199 01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:41,760 Speaker 1: want to spend our political capital on when we when 1200 01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,639 Speaker 1: we've got so many other things we need city Hall 1201 01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:50,360 Speaker 1: to do. I, as the coordinator of that coalition, am 1202 01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:52,479 Speaker 1: complicit in that. I didn't. I didn't then put my 1203 01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:54,280 Speaker 1: foot down and say, well, we've got to know we're 1204 01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:56,560 Speaker 1: gonna this is gonna be the top issue or the 1205 01:17:56,600 --> 01:18:00,920 Speaker 1: top one three five issues. So I I say all 1206 01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,560 Speaker 1: of that in a kind of rambling way. This is 1207 01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:08,639 Speaker 1: tough for for organizations, nonprofit organizations to be too bold about. 1208 01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:11,800 Speaker 1: I feel like the issues now come to us. I 1209 01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,280 Speaker 1: don't think, I think, I don't think this is criminalization 1210 01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:18,360 Speaker 1: of homelessness is no longer something that organizations working on 1211 01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:21,639 Speaker 1: the issue of homelessness have the luxury to dodge much 1212 01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:26,680 Speaker 1: longer than if you and one more thing to do that. 1213 01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:29,760 Speaker 1: This is when we have having a excellent conversation a 1214 01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:32,320 Speaker 1: few days ago about how to show up with your 1215 01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:34,920 Speaker 1: white privilege. This is one of those examples if you 1216 01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:37,519 Speaker 1: need to show up and start, if you have these uh, 1217 01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,920 Speaker 1: the big these organizations and things like that, you guys 1218 01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,200 Speaker 1: band together and put the feet to the fire instead 1219 01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:45,799 Speaker 1: of you know, I know it's difficult, but the imagine 1220 01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:47,920 Speaker 1: the people that are people of color that have to 1221 01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,000 Speaker 1: do navigate what there are in financial services. They lose 1222 01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:54,280 Speaker 1: their lives, weed to go. Many of us that are 1223 01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:56,960 Speaker 1: in these privileged positions get to go home, but move 1224 01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:00,960 Speaker 1: m muhamma muyahm will never go Floyd will never go home. 1225 01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:03,519 Speaker 1: But there's many an house black or people of color 1226 01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,640 Speaker 1: that will never be able to go home. And we 1227 01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:09,360 Speaker 1: are still the ball's return. We have to put the 1228 01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:12,400 Speaker 1: feet to the fire. It is we're at this red 1229 01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:16,840 Speaker 1: critical mask where redular conditions. It's it's important, it's and all, 1230 01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:23,640 Speaker 1: it's our responsibility. Yeah, and I will add that one 1231 01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:26,880 Speaker 1: of the reasons that we advocated with HUD to put 1232 01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:32,519 Speaker 1: that question into the coc NOFA is exactly to give 1233 01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:36,880 Speaker 1: service providers the political cover to say, look, you know 1234 01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:40,160 Speaker 1: our federal funding and you know, we need to show 1235 01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:43,440 Speaker 1: that we are earning our two points on this application 1236 01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,559 Speaker 1: by doing education about the harms of criminalization in our community. 1237 01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,200 Speaker 1: So you know, sorry, mister mayor, you know like this, 1238 01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,240 Speaker 1: if you want us to get these federal dollars, you know, 1239 01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:56,960 Speaker 1: we have to to tell the story that what you know, 1240 01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:02,559 Speaker 1: what's being proposed here in this community isn't isn't best practice, 1241 01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:04,720 Speaker 1: is gonna be harmful, et cetera. So there's you know, 1242 01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:09,280 Speaker 1: to the extent it helps in those difficult conversations, there's 1243 01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:13,800 Speaker 1: you know, you can use that those incentives as part 1244 01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:17,120 Speaker 1: of as you know, as cover I guess for needing 1245 01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:20,880 Speaker 1: to take those critical positions for you know, when you 1246 01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:27,200 Speaker 1: are getting both city or county and federal funding. The 1247 01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:30,879 Speaker 1: other thing I'll say is and then I appreciate Jerry's 1248 01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:36,000 Speaker 1: kind of owning this. You know, our organization as recently 1249 01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:42,000 Speaker 1: as our report on Criminalization back in twenty fifteen looked 1250 01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:45,400 Speaker 1: at some of the homeless outreach teams that were being 1251 01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:49,559 Speaker 1: put together by law enforcement as a positive development, as 1252 01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:55,280 Speaker 1: you know, this is a way of reducing harm. We 1253 01:20:56,360 --> 01:21:03,760 Speaker 1: don't have that position anymore. And and now are kind 1254 01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,880 Speaker 1: of at the point where we acknowledge that kind of 1255 01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:10,360 Speaker 1: law enforcement doesn't need to be involved in in this. 1256 01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:14,960 Speaker 1: You know, we need social workers who are trained in 1257 01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:20,360 Speaker 1: the escalation and you know, harm reduction trauma in foreign principles, 1258 01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:24,960 Speaker 1: backed with the actual resources of housing and you know, 1259 01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,200 Speaker 1: appropriate services that are going to meet the needs of 1260 01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:30,599 Speaker 1: the people out there building relationships over the long term 1261 01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:34,600 Speaker 1: through you know exactly you know, the finding lists and 1262 01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,280 Speaker 1: all the things that we already know actually work. That's 1263 01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:40,840 Speaker 1: what we need. We don't need hot teams, we don't 1264 01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:45,320 Speaker 1: need homeless courts. You know, those are all diversions of 1265 01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:50,200 Speaker 1: resources that actually create more harm in the long term. 1266 01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:56,639 Speaker 1: And so you've got kind of I think Away Home 1267 01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:59,920 Speaker 1: America has this useful framework of you know, you've got reform, 1268 01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:06,160 Speaker 1: the transformative edge of reform and then the transformational state. 1269 01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:08,920 Speaker 1: And we need to really focus on that transformational state, 1270 01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:14,920 Speaker 1: the state where law enforcement isn't involved. And there are efforts, 1271 01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:19,600 Speaker 1: I mean, even the the Biden administration is you know, 1272 01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:25,400 Speaker 1: more on the reform side kind of promoting law enforcements, 1273 01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:32,479 Speaker 1: involvement in very various forms in homeost outreach and saying 1274 01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:35,040 Speaker 1: you know that they need to be partners at the 1275 01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:37,240 Speaker 1: table because they are currently involved. And I and I 1276 01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:44,759 Speaker 1: understand that sentiment, but but it you know, yeah, it's 1277 01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,840 Speaker 1: it's problematic because it it permits the longer term harm 1278 01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,320 Speaker 1: to continue going on. So we really need to help 1279 01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:57,280 Speaker 1: vision that transformed world where you know, law enforcement isn't 1280 01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:00,840 Speaker 1: part of the conversation anymore, even if we would. The 1281 01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:05,000 Speaker 1: unhoused unhoused friend all who said, who suffers from a schizophrenia, 1282 01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,880 Speaker 1: She had an episode and she was trying to come 1283 01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:12,560 Speaker 1: now someone called the police. She said, he pulled his 1284 01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:14,680 Speaker 1: gun on her, put her put his knee in his 1285 01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:18,240 Speaker 1: her back. She's have to deal with now trying to 1286 01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:22,280 Speaker 1: calm her, parannoya down and worry about her life. The 1287 01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:25,920 Speaker 1: point of it is bringing polices into this kind of conversation, 1288 01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:28,160 Speaker 1: no matter how they were involved in it because they 1289 01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:31,679 Speaker 1: inserted themselves in it to take our funding. Los Angeles 1290 01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:34,920 Speaker 1: has over three point two billion dollars that has been 1291 01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,479 Speaker 1: used to the police and one billion for unhouse services. 1292 01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:41,880 Speaker 1: So let you do the math. Davids inculcated themselves at 1293 01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:45,439 Speaker 1: Air brig conversation. Even with house siste's services, they're getting 1294 01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:48,519 Speaker 1: a cut from our houses's side of the pleasure. So 1295 01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,360 Speaker 1: we have got to get decolonize the cock hodder right 1296 01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:55,439 Speaker 1: head and to understand they they saw anything but violence 1297 01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:58,120 Speaker 1: and death in these instances, because why are you gonna 1298 01:23:58,120 --> 01:23:59,960 Speaker 1: bring a gun and a stick. She's someone that's all 1299 01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,479 Speaker 1: ready current or what or going through a crisis. You 1300 01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:04,719 Speaker 1: know that they're really defensive. You know that they're gonna 1301 01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:07,000 Speaker 1: act out and in and in ways that you're trained 1302 01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:09,640 Speaker 1: to put people down. So it's a listen, it's a 1303 01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:12,760 Speaker 1: non brain and not not a non issue. If you 1304 01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,600 Speaker 1: don't get a non brainer, actually say no brainer to 1305 01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:19,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna cause death in dissolation. So I'm 1306 01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:21,479 Speaker 1: gonna just open this up for people to have something 1307 01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:26,519 Speaker 1: to say. Police show up, you know the hand back there, Spirst, 1308 01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:28,880 Speaker 1: I think sure we have a mic so everyone can 1309 01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,760 Speaker 1: here so if you want to show, please make your 1310 01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:40,880 Speaker 1: way to the mic there. Oh oh he can sure, 1311 01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:44,680 Speaker 1: sure do. Then Uh, I got two lass, I guess 1312 01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:48,679 Speaker 1: when that's in laminatory One? First, to to what extent 1313 01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:52,080 Speaker 1: that we believe of these critinalization policy or or not 1314 01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:55,920 Speaker 1: just racial policies because they're uh dispersed them at the 1315 01:24:56,640 --> 01:25:01,160 Speaker 1: uh what goos? But they're actually int actually race system 1316 01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:05,080 Speaker 1: policies because we all know that black people and three 1317 01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:08,040 Speaker 1: times more likely to be homeless that the likes in 1318 01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:11,400 Speaker 1: in Miami as a matter of fact, about sixty percent 1319 01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:15,160 Speaker 1: of a Blacks about sixty percent of homeless population. We 1320 01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:19,400 Speaker 1: all know that the Oregon's crime, Morgan's drugs, and and 1321 01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:22,639 Speaker 1: the and the sense is nothing within the golf whistles 1322 01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:28,720 Speaker 1: to go after the stereotype of the inherently dangerous black male. Uh. 1323 01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,799 Speaker 1: And we all know that Trump can use mister Jones 1324 01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:35,599 Speaker 1: is of the example here is an infamous race paper. Okay, 1325 01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:38,640 Speaker 1: he he's always on camplaze at and used them his 1326 01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:43,160 Speaker 1: base of the demobilized base. So I I I've seen 1327 01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:48,000 Speaker 1: here that these criminalization policies I went into spatially neutral 1328 01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:52,400 Speaker 1: policies that have a disparate impact upon protective class, which 1329 01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:55,240 Speaker 1: is sort of like the league undepetition here. But these 1330 01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:58,040 Speaker 1: are But my question is to what extent we believe 1331 01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:02,599 Speaker 1: these are intentionally racis not just racial but racial class. 1332 01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:07,639 Speaker 1: The same reason why we have the rise and showing 1333 01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:10,720 Speaker 1: the black men, uh during the anti Asian hit. Look 1334 01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:14,320 Speaker 1: at the videos. They are to do the most inquisious instances. 1335 01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:17,400 Speaker 1: But even though we know statisticals the most crime against 1336 01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:20,160 Speaker 1: the Asian people were white people. So it is deliberate. 1337 01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:22,559 Speaker 1: So w it's it's there for you if you want 1338 01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:25,479 Speaker 1: to see it. Ell, I'll just you know, I mentioned 1339 01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,920 Speaker 1: earlier that like many of the statutes that are still 1340 01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:33,719 Speaker 1: used to criminalize homelesses today are Jim Crow era statutes 1341 01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:37,680 Speaker 1: that were literally put there so that the very existence 1342 01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:41,439 Speaker 1: of somebody in a public space could be deemed a crime. 1343 01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:45,920 Speaker 1: If that was that person wasn't desirable and uh, and 1344 01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:49,840 Speaker 1: then that person could be put into prison, passed through 1345 01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:54,680 Speaker 1: the thirteenth Amendment loophole back into and for involuntary servitude. 1346 01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:58,559 Speaker 1: And so you know it, the the history is there 1347 01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:03,320 Speaker 1: and the present. I'll read another line from Trump's speech. Uh, 1348 01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:07,080 Speaker 1: you know, uh, we need to take back our streets 1349 01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:10,320 Speaker 1: in public spaces from the homeless, drug addicted and deranged. 1350 01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:16,760 Speaker 1: You know, we the homeless encampments are taking over the 1351 01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:20,840 Speaker 1: dangerously deranged romar streets with impunity. This is the same 1352 01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:24,559 Speaker 1: you know, uh language that he was using about when 1353 01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:26,760 Speaker 1: he came down the escalator and was talking about the 1354 01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:32,080 Speaker 1: rapists and murders from Mexico like this. It's it's all. 1355 01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:36,120 Speaker 1: It is part of the same dog whistle rhetoric. And 1356 01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:40,040 Speaker 1: you know, and I think in the fact that the 1357 01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,760 Speaker 1: Cicero Institute and and Joe Lonzil like I mean, they 1358 01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:49,880 Speaker 1: are explicitly attacking advancing critical race theory, racial equity as 1359 01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:55,280 Speaker 1: part of their their push for more criminalization. You know, 1360 01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:59,800 Speaker 1: they're not going to say it explicitly, of course, but yeah, 1361 01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:02,559 Speaker 1: it's it is. It's right there. They see the connection 1362 01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:07,280 Speaker 1: and lead you to too Central Park five. Is there 1363 01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:10,120 Speaker 1: any indication you remember what his statements was he put 1364 01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:13,200 Speaker 1: the full page ads out on these young teenagers that 1365 01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,839 Speaker 1: and were innocent, calling for the death only calling the animals. 1366 01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:21,840 Speaker 1: So yes, it's pretty obvious. Shouldn't that be our our 1367 01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:27,799 Speaker 1: our public or our uh talking point of these laws 1368 01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:33,240 Speaker 1: are racist but unfortunate, and and pointing out that anybody 1369 01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:38,600 Speaker 1: who supports these is in fact racist in this situation. 1370 01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:42,360 Speaker 1: I mean, that's again the same uh, along the same 1371 01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:46,200 Speaker 1: principle they mentioned before about talking about you know, simple 1372 01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:49,720 Speaker 1: people come up with simple solutions and this. You know, 1373 01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:54,200 Speaker 1: these are simple solutions, and so yeah, you're simple. You know, 1374 01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:57,320 Speaker 1: read the word you know, avacorant or whatever you want 1375 01:28:57,360 --> 01:28:59,080 Speaker 1: to put it in there, you know, quotes or whatever. 1376 01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:02,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's the same thing. People don't 1377 01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:05,439 Speaker 1: want to be People don't want to be called racist 1378 01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:07,559 Speaker 1: cause I want to be thought of as racist as 1379 01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:09,160 Speaker 1: a lot of men. I'm gonna tell you straight out 1380 01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:12,519 Speaker 1: what my experience is is just saying that you just see, 1381 01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:14,800 Speaker 1: if you do support these things, a big racist, I've 1382 01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:17,479 Speaker 1: got so much backlash for people that were close to me, 1383 01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:20,960 Speaker 1: or for your friends or you think to be called back. 1384 01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:23,439 Speaker 1: It's like if you open up people of color to 1385 01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:26,439 Speaker 1: a grounds up of violence and harassment by the very 1386 01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:28,679 Speaker 1: same people that they thought that was in their corner. 1387 01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:32,280 Speaker 1: So you can say that, but I will tell people 1388 01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:35,479 Speaker 1: of color, you know, be you choose your battles, because 1389 01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:38,000 Speaker 1: y y, you're going to you're gonna go through hell, 1390 01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:40,760 Speaker 1: try and explain why these stings are racist, because they 1391 01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,519 Speaker 1: will tell you very good people. They help people of color, 1392 01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:46,120 Speaker 1: they help them move off the spreed and everything out. 1393 01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:48,439 Speaker 1: And so you're gonna spend an enormal amount of labor 1394 01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:51,559 Speaker 1: trying to explain to them why these things are racist 1395 01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:54,800 Speaker 1: and our larger impacts. So, yes, it is racist, but 1396 01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:57,400 Speaker 1: that's a little extra burden for people of color to 1397 01:29:57,479 --> 01:29:59,760 Speaker 1: have to say they were past is act like a 1398 01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:03,280 Speaker 1: right exactly and get upset. Yeah, so it won it 1399 01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:06,280 Speaker 1: will not. It's good. I have had poor success. But 1400 01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:09,720 Speaker 1: with that, but again for the white privileged people in 1401 01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:12,559 Speaker 1: the room, yeah, well for us to say that, yeah, 1402 01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:17,040 Speaker 1: and I pointed out privilege, you're right, but you're right, 1403 01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:20,800 Speaker 1: but we just can't. I mean, yes, we we gonna 1404 01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:25,080 Speaker 1: do it. You only be hounded forever. What I was saying, 1405 01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:28,040 Speaker 1: is it time for us to step up? Absolutely? And yes, 1406 01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:33,320 Speaker 1: absolutely absolute and say it. But again, yes, no, I 1407 01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:36,160 Speaker 1: guess that one. That's absolutely cric. Yes, So it's like 1408 01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:39,120 Speaker 1: second in the question is how does a sister of 1409 01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:42,120 Speaker 1: an instant to gather so much of the power, uh 1410 01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:44,599 Speaker 1: by average sort of About a year ago, the man 1411 01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:47,599 Speaker 1: Sent Commission was considered the same type of protocol. In fact, 1412 01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:51,799 Speaker 1: you're looking to deport our holes populations on the island 1413 01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:55,760 Speaker 1: than in the same bay. N actually gonna banished this 1414 01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:59,040 Speaker 1: hid but if they been around for a long period 1415 01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:06,400 Speaker 1: of time and account to the Progress Institute that account 1416 01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:09,040 Speaker 1: of that. I think a lot of our the sort 1417 01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:11,439 Speaker 1: of progressive think tanks aren't doing a whole lot on 1418 01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:14,680 Speaker 1: this issue and have kind of shied away from homelessness, 1419 01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:19,800 Speaker 1: housing poverty onto other gend diagrams which are important to 1420 01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:23,280 Speaker 1: genda items but aren't errors. I don't know a lot 1421 01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:25,479 Speaker 1: about the Cisro Institute. I think it's it's sort of 1422 01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:28,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of funding from a particular billionaire who's 1423 01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:33,960 Speaker 1: uh spouses their views. But I feel I do want 1424 01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:36,800 Speaker 1: to clarify part of what I was trying to communicate. 1425 01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:40,120 Speaker 1: I think the easiest thing we can do at this 1426 01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:44,799 Speaker 1: moment is to vilify the Cicero Institute or Donald Trump. 1427 01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:51,880 Speaker 1: This is bigger than that of that. This has been 1428 01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:54,040 Speaker 1: observed by you know, more student people than than me. 1429 01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:58,320 Speaker 1: But I mean Trump is a masterful UH player of politics. 1430 01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:04,240 Speaker 1: He has more talent in figuring out the the the 1431 01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:10,720 Speaker 1: the sort of just how how to tap into the 1432 01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:15,040 Speaker 1: the sentiments of so many people who feel unheard and 1433 01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:19,040 Speaker 1: so the Cicero Institute being aligned exactly on the on 1434 01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:23,719 Speaker 1: the same message Trump delivered yesterday of sanctioned encampments, camps 1435 01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:27,240 Speaker 1: out in far away places. There's something there that they 1436 01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:30,799 Speaker 1: you know, we can criticize the institute, we can institute, 1437 01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:34,519 Speaker 1: we can criticize the former president. But this is much 1438 01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:40,360 Speaker 1: more endemic to where people are are shifting and the 1439 01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:42,880 Speaker 1: fact that they're as leaders are are trying to lead 1440 01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:47,280 Speaker 1: their constituents in that direction. We need to be ready 1441 01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:48,880 Speaker 1: for this in a way that isn't just simplate where 1442 01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:52,000 Speaker 1: against Donald Trump because he said these these horrible things. 1443 01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:54,360 Speaker 1: How do you think it's fear? I think it's fear 1444 01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:57,880 Speaker 1: you're talking. That's what we're playing on and when people 1445 01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:02,160 Speaker 1: are afraid, and they will list you anybody who speaks 1446 01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:06,240 Speaker 1: to that. Yeah. Start in two quick comments and two 1447 01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:09,519 Speaker 1: quick questions. One is I'd love this confidence, but the 1448 01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:12,400 Speaker 1: three steps to get to the mic is not physically accessible. 1449 01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:15,519 Speaker 1: Love you have that conversation sometimes if you wanna have 1450 01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:20,400 Speaker 1: maybe comments are physically accessible. Two. Marisola's work addresses how 1451 01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:24,320 Speaker 1: like people can use language so it can be heard 1452 01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:28,360 Speaker 1: by other people, so that it's not just calling out 1453 01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:31,479 Speaker 1: the racism. It's calling out the racism. So it gets 1454 01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:35,360 Speaker 1: you to the goals that you want. And it's really 1455 01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:39,400 Speaker 1: important that we do it right. And it's it's all database, 1456 01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:43,800 Speaker 1: so it's words looking at My question one is should 1457 01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:47,760 Speaker 1: be looking at lawsuits or should we be looking at 1458 01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:51,439 Speaker 1: the able but just live builds uh in term more 1459 01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:53,680 Speaker 1: effective of the most states, since we have to look 1460 01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:56,679 Speaker 1: at a laws and then we're not buy again stuff. 1461 01:33:57,680 --> 01:34:01,280 Speaker 1: And my second question is is well, our home listeners, 1462 01:34:01,479 --> 01:34:05,360 Speaker 1: we already talking about constitute a guild the way you 1463 01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:11,880 Speaker 1: run a person's way in a supreme or our gay Yeah. 1464 01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:17,240 Speaker 1: So to follow up on your question as well, and 1465 01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:22,880 Speaker 1: partially to answer yours, it there there is no kind 1466 01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:26,120 Speaker 1: of counter institute to the Cisero Institute, but many of 1467 01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:30,639 Speaker 1: the national organizations are right now working on like kind 1468 01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:34,519 Speaker 1: of a collective how do we collectively come together? How 1469 01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:37,600 Speaker 1: does the Alliance use its networks with service providers, the 1470 01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:41,000 Speaker 1: National Coalition use its networks with grassroots organizers, l Law 1471 01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:45,240 Speaker 1: Center use its networks with the attorneys to help work 1472 01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:47,560 Speaker 1: on this from all angles and come up with a 1473 01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:50,920 Speaker 1: collective strategy. So we we are we are the people 1474 01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:56,760 Speaker 1: the change, We're we're looking for UH. And on that front, 1475 01:34:57,120 --> 01:35:03,320 Speaker 1: you know, in terms of lawsuits, lawsuit I think help. 1476 01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:06,439 Speaker 1: I think part of the reason that the effort in 1477 01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:09,840 Speaker 1: Los Angeles under the Trump administration stopped when it did 1478 01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:13,360 Speaker 1: was because the Ninth Circuit or that was exactly when 1479 01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:15,600 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court said it wasn't going to take on 1480 01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:18,599 Speaker 1: the Martin case, and they said, saw that the Ninth 1481 01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:22,320 Speaker 1: Circuit ruling was going to stand there. But you know, 1482 01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:26,160 Speaker 1: we have to see this as the lawsuits can only 1483 01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:29,280 Speaker 1: get us so far. You know, all that Martin actually 1484 01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:32,400 Speaker 1: says is you can't criminally punish somebody if you don't 1485 01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:35,240 Speaker 1: give them another place to go. Like that doesn't get 1486 01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:37,720 Speaker 1: us to housing as a human right. It doesn't get us. 1487 01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:41,400 Speaker 1: So we need the affirmative solutions. We need the legislative solutions. 1488 01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:44,400 Speaker 1: It would be great if we had legislative solutions that 1489 01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:48,000 Speaker 1: also actively prevented criminalization, homeless bills, uprights, right to rest 1490 01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:53,960 Speaker 1: at that sort of thing. But so we definitely need 1491 01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:59,560 Speaker 1: both at the same time. And the litigation can be 1492 01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:03,800 Speaker 1: seen as part of a a broader strategy and the 1493 01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:07,439 Speaker 1: same as with the civil rights movement where the courts, 1494 01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:10,639 Speaker 1: you know NBOC he was working UH, hand in hand 1495 01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:13,160 Speaker 1: with uh, you know, the organizing on the ground, and 1496 01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:15,679 Speaker 1: so that's the movement biing is is how we should 1497 01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:18,080 Speaker 1: be doing this. We're we're going to take one more 1498 01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:20,599 Speaker 1: or last question and we'll wrap it up. I got 1499 01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:24,360 Speaker 1: my notes to get you guys opening along nineteen thanks 1500 01:36:24,439 --> 01:36:27,760 Speaker 1: on anyway, one of the things that I've noticed is 1501 01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:30,920 Speaker 1: some of the efforts that we've made to your rid 1502 01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:34,680 Speaker 1: criminalizing laws and up e doing against us, and then 1503 01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:39,160 Speaker 1: in our solutions added too. For example, like one things 1504 01:36:39,160 --> 01:36:41,439 Speaker 1: I've seen as people having to grab a housing adverts 1505 01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:44,280 Speaker 1: so that there'll be shifted chine a way to make 1506 01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:48,200 Speaker 1: it more rapid shelter which is actually kind of continuing 1507 01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:52,920 Speaker 1: the process and the people live as in later all 1508 01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:55,360 Speaker 1: of this. Do you have any advice on how to 1509 01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:58,920 Speaker 1: counter that? And we love hap way in back or 1510 01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:01,720 Speaker 1: I we would like to say, I think also not 1511 01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:04,000 Speaker 1: only to the right and shelter, but also trying to 1512 01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:07,600 Speaker 1: get other our art, because no, we would have to 1513 01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:10,360 Speaker 1: give the devil is due. They're organized and know how 1514 01:37:10,439 --> 01:37:15,040 Speaker 1: to dis discompopulate, and they utilize people that don't understand 1515 01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:17,200 Speaker 1: the full of the l end game like I I've 1516 01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:20,760 Speaker 1: seen with the project room key and situation. They'll try 1517 01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:23,160 Speaker 1: out people with thick it's just wonderful. But they're not 1518 01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:25,759 Speaker 1: understanding that if they're being shunted out on the street 1519 01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:28,120 Speaker 1: at a certain time, so it was a temporary solution 1520 01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:30,599 Speaker 1: or like tiny sheds, they thought that they had their 1521 01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:32,680 Speaker 1: own room. Then they throw in that they're gonna put 1522 01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:35,120 Speaker 1: in people that are not their partners or may have 1523 01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:38,000 Speaker 1: COVID and all of these things. To understand that this 1524 01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:41,000 Speaker 1: is not the solutions that they are offering. They're this 1525 01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:44,679 Speaker 1: is a game that they're playing for people to pick 1526 01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:48,679 Speaker 1: activists against each other and to say no, we want housing, 1527 01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:50,560 Speaker 1: we don't want any more of these damn shelters, we 1528 01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:53,280 Speaker 1: don't want any more of these these temporary solutions because 1529 01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:55,639 Speaker 1: we know what the game is and it's very hard 1530 01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:59,120 Speaker 1: to get some of Again, this goes into the privilege 1531 01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:02,920 Speaker 1: they deliber of some of the liberal privilege individuals to 1532 01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:06,160 Speaker 1: get their understanding the end game, particularly for people of color, 1533 01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:10,040 Speaker 1: to tell this is not the move. But that's what 1534 01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:42,439 Speaker 1: conversation for another day. This is theo Henderson from Unhoused 1535 01:38:42,479 --> 01:38:47,960 Speaker 1: News our top story. An unhoused man actually for unhoused 1536 01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:50,680 Speaker 1: people on the River and the valley were attacked with 1537 01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:54,639 Speaker 1: a pelic gun and staffed and incidentally a sad news, 1538 01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:57,719 Speaker 1: satter news, an unhoused gentleman by the name of Jonathan 1539 01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:01,960 Speaker 1: has unlived himself. We wished you remember and uplift his 1540 01:39:02,200 --> 01:39:04,800 Speaker 1: name and his trauma and his story. For the last 1541 01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:08,479 Speaker 1: two weeks on Widian House has covered and have featured. 1542 01:39:09,439 --> 01:39:12,240 Speaker 1: There was Nissi Week in Little Tokyo, and it is 1543 01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:15,560 Speaker 1: a very cruel irony that this is a remembrance of 1544 01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:19,160 Speaker 1: the detention camp and the erasure attempts of the Japanese 1545 01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:22,559 Speaker 1: community over seventy nine years ago. And in addition, right 1546 01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:26,679 Speaker 1: and juxtaposed by forty one eighteen or the unhoused black 1547 01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:29,439 Speaker 1: and brown communities that live in Little Tokyo, by this 1548 01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:32,760 Speaker 1: very same descendants and some of the advocates, they state 1549 01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:37,479 Speaker 1: that this is not the same their racial attempts or 1550 01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:41,519 Speaker 1: their carcer solutions and removing unhoused people because they are 1551 01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:45,200 Speaker 1: using the stereotypes that they are criminals. They have trashed, 1552 01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:49,320 Speaker 1: they're using good bathroom and if you go into the community, 1553 01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:54,000 Speaker 1: there are aggressive attempts of house security officers attacking unhoused 1554 01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:59,679 Speaker 1: people for recycling and also unhouse people trying to survive 1555 01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:03,680 Speaker 1: in the and there is very little empathy. Fortunately, we 1556 01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:06,759 Speaker 1: have Jaytown Action and Solidarity that has comes every Saturday 1557 01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:10,360 Speaker 1: to provide mutual aid, a place of safe space, and 1558 01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:14,320 Speaker 1: a way of seeing the unhoused community. Unfortunately, members of 1559 01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:18,360 Speaker 1: the Japanese house community a look on it with very hostility, 1560 01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:22,439 Speaker 1: disdain and an aggression, with the exception of a say 1561 01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:30,639 Speaker 1: restaurant as well. A restaurant has also implemented a cold 1562 01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:35,280 Speaker 1: water policy for unhoused people enduring the heat wave, which 1563 01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:40,200 Speaker 1: is very commendable and unfortunately our house community members in 1564 01:40:40,439 --> 01:40:43,679 Speaker 1: Little Tokyo do not see unhoused people as human beings. 1565 01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:52,479 Speaker 1: Los Angeles has a new Bike Repair Ordnance against the 1566 01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:56,280 Speaker 1: Unhoused Community UH. What is prohibited under the ordinance, which 1567 01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:59,479 Speaker 1: has not taken effect yet, is people will be prohibited 1568 01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:06,360 Speaker 1: from assimbling, disassembling, selling or offering to sell, distributing, offering 1569 01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:11,240 Speaker 1: to distribute, or storing on public pike public property, five 1570 01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:14,880 Speaker 1: of my more bicycle parts, a bicycle frame without gear 1571 01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:18,920 Speaker 1: of bright cables, two or more bicycles with missing bicycle parts, 1572 01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:23,760 Speaker 1: or three or more bicycles. It will take effect on 1573 01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:30,040 Speaker 1: August eighth, twenty twenty two. Who was behind the ordnance 1574 01:41:30,160 --> 01:41:33,679 Speaker 1: was council member Joe Basquino and February twenty two, Cindy 1575 01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:36,559 Speaker 1: Council approved it. On June twenty one, with all council 1576 01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:41,360 Speaker 1: members voting in favor except Mike Bonnan, Marquise Dawson, Nathian Rahman, 1577 01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:48,960 Speaker 1: and current Price. In Happier un Housed News activists Miss 1578 01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:54,040 Speaker 1: Carla and mister Paisley were happily wed recently and they 1579 01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:57,360 Speaker 1: are currently on their honeymoon. We wished him a happy 1580 01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:01,240 Speaker 1: union and also will take care and enjoy your time. 1581 01:42:01,439 --> 01:42:05,560 Speaker 1: And we thank you for your continued activism dealing with 1582 01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:09,280 Speaker 1: the cartural solutions and carceral environment that the in House 1583 01:42:09,320 --> 01:42:15,720 Speaker 1: are facing. On August nine, two thousand and twenty two, 1584 01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:20,200 Speaker 1: City Hall was faced with activists protesting against the forty 1585 01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:23,599 Speaker 1: one to eighteen Holocaust to procedure rollout that they were 1586 01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:28,200 Speaker 1: trying to impose across the city and the protesters and 1587 01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:31,760 Speaker 1: activists have been featured several weeks going and speaking out 1588 01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:35,639 Speaker 1: against it. If you want to see the live live streams, 1589 01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:39,559 Speaker 1: I strongly encourage that you go and Lincoln to see 1590 01:42:40,200 --> 01:42:45,960 Speaker 1: it on THEO Henderson's Widian House Live. In other News 1591 01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:51,160 Speaker 1: in South Carolina, men brutally beat unhoused camp as others 1592 01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:58,200 Speaker 1: cheered on and video. David Norris, Steph Norris, Joshua Norris, 1593 01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:03,439 Speaker 1: Logan Holmes, and Tristan Ramsey were the men that were 1594 01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:06,800 Speaker 1: attacking unhoused people. These people were housed. The videos showed 1595 01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:11,400 Speaker 1: men brutally attacking people at unhoused encampments while others stood by, 1596 01:43:11,560 --> 01:43:16,080 Speaker 1: cheering and filming. And this is some house