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Speaker 1: There Are No Girls on the Internet, as a production

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio and unbost Creative. I'm Bridget Todd,

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Speaker 1: and this is There Are No Girls on the Internet.

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Speaker 1: Snow is falling, bells are ringing. Yes, it's the holiday

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Speaker 1: season and I wanted to do a special holiday themed

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Speaker 1: episode exploring a thesis that I have had in my

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Speaker 1: head for a while now. Social media is making the

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Speaker 1: holidays worse for everyone, especially for women. Now, I'm not

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Speaker 1: a hundred percent certain about where I stand on this,

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Speaker 1: So in this episode, we'll be looking at some research

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Speaker 1: and we'll also be hearing from three women about their

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Speaker 1: thoughts about the holiday season. So I first got to

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Speaker 1: be in my bonnet about social media's impact on the holidays,

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Speaker 1: not about Christmas, but it was actually from last year's

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Speaker 1: Easter season. You know, I don't think of Easter as

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Speaker 1: like go big, even if you have kids. It's traditionally,

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Speaker 1: I think, been a fairly straightforward holiday celebration. You know,

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Speaker 1: you get one of those egg kits from the grocery store,

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Speaker 1: maybe you do an Easter basket. If you're really trying

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Speaker 1: to go all out, maybe somebody dresses like an Easter

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Speaker 1: bunny and surprises the kids. But you wouldn't know any

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Speaker 1: of that from the photos that the Kardashian family posted

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Speaker 1: from their Easter celebration on social media. It was predictably

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Speaker 1: very over the top. A link to a photo of

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Speaker 1: it in the show notes because it really needs to

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Speaker 1: be seen to be understood. But the display is beyond opulent.

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Speaker 1: They've got four pink Cruiser bikes lined up in a row,

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Speaker 1: several massive Easter baskets filled to the brim with candy

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Speaker 1: gumball machines. Now, obviously we're talking about the Kardashians here,

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Speaker 1: and there are a family that I don't really think

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Speaker 1: fabulously famous sleep very wealthy, so obviously they could afford

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Speaker 1: such a lavish display. But when they posted it to

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Speaker 1: social media, I think they were probably expecting the usual

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Speaker 1: ooze and as from onlookers, but the response was really

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Speaker 1: more like yah. One TikToker responded saying, quote, the people

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Speaker 1: and the planet need a cultural shift of the way

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Speaker 1: that we think of consumption. At what point will we

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Speaker 1: actually think the response to the Kardashian Easter video shows

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Speaker 1: questions about these digital displays that just screamed bye bye bye,

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Speaker 1: and instead of being impressed by opulent, over the top

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Speaker 1: of over them, or at least being honest about the

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Speaker 1: way they make us feel, particularly during a time of

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Speaker 1: economic instability and uncertainty. I think opening up a social

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Speaker 1: media app and seeing opulent displays just hits differently, and

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Speaker 1: so I think when it comes to holidays, like Smiths,

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Speaker 1: social media can add pressure to over consume, over plan

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Speaker 1: over by a burden that falls mostly on women. Like

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Speaker 1: if you're not planning out and posting a cute picture

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Speaker 1: you're doing the holiday season wrong. Or if you don't

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Speaker 1: it wrong. Or if you don't spend the holiday season

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Speaker 1: you're doing it wrong now. None of this is really

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Speaker 1: all that new. When I was a kid, folks would

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Speaker 1: and just like on social media today, it was meant

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Speaker 1: And while those cards and letters would go to a

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Speaker 1: And because we're talking thing about social media here, that

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Speaker 1: the better that content performs. Dr Steve rath Jay is

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Speaker 1: He found that on social media platforms, content that is

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Speaker 1: apply all of this to the holiday content that we

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Speaker 1: And also is it just me or are some of

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Speaker 1: and I think it creates a cycle where these excessive

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Speaker 1: how Megan, a mom of two in Washington, d C,

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Speaker 1: So the normalization of this need to create excessive holiday

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