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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Unplugged. We're in the midst of our

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Speaker 1: la all the smoke run Jack. We got a chance

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Speaker 1: to sit down with Vernon mad Maxwell at all start,

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Speaker 1: and that ship is going crazy right now.

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Speaker 2: Man, tell the truth, y'all got a nigga out here

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Speaker 2: for working. Y'all just wanted to make me work more

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Speaker 2: while we're seeing there.

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Speaker 1: That's what it is. You don't even come in on

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Speaker 1: the mad Match.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna do that, but I just want to

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Speaker 2: say that first I knew I was in here. Let's

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Speaker 2: get this nigga on right now to shoot Unplugged.

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Speaker 1: Why he here?

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Speaker 2: So we got a text him thirty times Sunday right Bill,

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Speaker 2: Mindelia that you do be taking my.

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Speaker 1: Bad Another stat though, is he broke Kendrick Perkins motherfucker's

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Speaker 1: on that episode, which I never thought could happen. Is

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Speaker 1: there any truth to her keen slapping the shit out

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Speaker 1: of you at halftime? One time said there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of truth to it, A lot of truth.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that motherfucker Likerapers has on the ground, And oh

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Speaker 3: my goodness, hit me so goddamn heart wisdom, Seattle, every

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Speaker 3: damn things having Seattle, God damn. But wisdom shadow was

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Speaker 3: I was mine. I was having a bad first half,

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Speaker 3: and ship we was playing Gary in them and Sean

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Speaker 3: Kemp and all the motherfuckers. They had a squad over

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Speaker 3: that motherfucker. Uh double deuces, Ricky Pierce, they had all

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Speaker 3: they had a squad or whatever. Dannum barrows they have

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Speaker 3: a squad. They just had a bunch of motherfuckers can

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Speaker 3: Bay so Derrick m Kid. Then now I'm having a

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Speaker 3: bad first half. I'm like, damn, you know how long

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Speaker 3: that fucking walk is Seattle Locking. Yeah, It's like motherfucker

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Speaker 3: walking fucking this ship around the blobber, round this damn

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Speaker 3: building to come back in here. I mean they're walking

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Speaker 3: so long.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'm mind.

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Speaker 3: When I'm getting mad, I should spend.

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Speaker 1: I'm walking.

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Speaker 3: I'm spitting in the niggas, Uh Sam sitting up and

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Speaker 3: Robbert beside me. Man, it's gonna be alright, MAT's go on,

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Speaker 3: Man gonna be okay. Man, Fuck that ship, man, these

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Speaker 3: niggas ain't giving me the ball.

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Speaker 1: This nigga won't pass the ball. Man, Fuck this ship.

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Speaker 3: So dream behind me and dream like Maxie, what the

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Speaker 3: fuck is you doing? That Ship's not professional? Don't do

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Speaker 3: that ship. Stop that ship.

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Speaker 1: I was like, dream man, fuck that ship. I'm tired

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Speaker 1: of you too.

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Speaker 5: Why would I say that ship?

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Speaker 3: Now, I shouldn't have said that, because he came in

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Speaker 3: and put this goddamn hands up, bigger hands on me

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Speaker 3: in the locker room. Oh man, he.

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Speaker 1: Slapped the ship out. Then I saw.

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Speaker 3: Coming from the back wall man, way from the back.

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Speaker 3: They slapped ship out of me so hard. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I thought, I'm motherfucker punched me. He slapped out of

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Speaker 1: Ship man, slap ship out of me. Man. Then they

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Speaker 1: killed me. But but but but hey, but knowing you,

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Speaker 1: you had to do what you do well.

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Speaker 5: You try to get you, try to get yourself together.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you're.

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Speaker 3: Well. I got you know, I went crazy and that

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Speaker 3: of motherfucker scrambling and that motherfucker when I got there

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Speaker 3: doing I was doing. I was crazy.

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Speaker 5: It's only one thing after nigga, like, that's left you got.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get that too.

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Speaker 3: Always on the road, we wave mother fucking way all

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Speaker 3: the way across the country. We all got there.

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Speaker 1: We way over there in Seattle. Damn Houston. I know

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Speaker 1: what ship.

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Speaker 2: Next is a Star bro, He's a star. I knew

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Speaker 2: it was gonna be a funny episode. I haven't watched

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Speaker 2: the episode probably two or three times. I haven't watched

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Speaker 2: no other episode we've done two or three times. I

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Speaker 2: promise you haven't. I probably watched Kobe once twice, but

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Speaker 2: this episode is my most watched.

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Speaker 1: Newest member to the All the Smoke Family, Max, Welcome

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Speaker 1: burn Out. Oh my god, we have him back soon, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: Hot Out of Phoenix. Budenholzer recently had Devin Booker come

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Speaker 1: to his office and told his book he needs to

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Speaker 1: tone it down. Butenholzer, Booty Holzer, he wants his voice.

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Speaker 1: He wants his voice to be more prominent. Bootenholzer wants that,

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Speaker 1: which is crazy. I've never heard of coach tell a

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Speaker 1: I heard the book talk after that and saying that

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Speaker 1: a lack of communication feels like it's one of the

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Speaker 1: here and let's get him next game. At some point,

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Speaker 1: you got to drive hi motherfucking line and we got

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Speaker 1: to win. Now, Stack, you had Butenholzer in San Antonio,

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Speaker 1: very impressive regular season record throughout his career, but hasn't

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Speaker 1: been able to get it done in the playoffs. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure if his style translates anymore. But also at

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Speaker 1: the same time, Devin Bookers had seven head coaches in

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Speaker 1: his ten years. That's Phoenix a laundry list? Is this ownership?

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Speaker 1: Is it? Butenholzer has the game passed him? What do

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Speaker 1: you see out of Phoenix since the ship show over there?

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Speaker 1: First and foremost I mean you.

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Speaker 2: Said, is it just looked like he hasn't been able

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Speaker 2: to build a real relationship with nobody. You know, him

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Speaker 2: and Budd don't have a type of relationship They've had

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Speaker 2: that time to to have the respect. You know, Tim

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Speaker 2: Duncan and Great Poppers was together for a while. So

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Speaker 2: when Pop cut him off or you know, made made

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Speaker 2: Tim be the reason why he can get on other guys,

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Speaker 2: you know, Tim embraced it because they had a relationship.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying with the respect was mutual,

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Speaker 2: I don't think the respect is mutual because they haven't

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Speaker 2: been around each other long enough. Then again, Bro Bud

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Speaker 2: was an offensive coach when I was there. He wasn't

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Speaker 2: the coach for communicating. That was Mike Brown. Mike Brown

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Speaker 2: communicate with guys, and he was at the bud was

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Speaker 2: strictly for offense. He didn't come in the locker room

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Speaker 2: wasn't the guy to come in get your shot. You

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. He wasn't that guy, but he would.

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Speaker 2: He's still a great coach because he grew, he came

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Speaker 2: up under Pop, and he had had some success in

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Speaker 2: the league. But to say this for Devns, I mean

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Speaker 2: for books point of it's impossible for him to even

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Speaker 2: when you don't have a coach that you can build with,

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Speaker 2: because that's where you really get your confidence. When I

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Speaker 2: talk about Don Nelson all the time, like I bounced

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Speaker 2: around too and played with different coaches. But that's why

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Speaker 2: he's my favorite, because when I got down was they

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Speaker 2: me that confidence. And having a coach like that was

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Speaker 2: just coming in and you ain't been building no rapport with.

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Speaker 5: Him, It's not gonna work, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: And that's and you know what, Matt, that's the reason

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Speaker 2: why it's other turmoil going on in the organization, You

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, because it's not good on that bench,

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Speaker 2: and I can see, I can see all those guys

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Speaker 1: You know, obviously It'sha's idea to bring in Bradley Beal

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Speaker 1: on a note trade deal. I think that clogged up

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Speaker 1: the whole entire trade deadline for this Phoenix team. But

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Speaker 1: not that Bradley Beil is a bad player, because I

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Speaker 1: definitely know he's not. But it was just from the

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Speaker 1: that that wasn't gonna work, and they wanted to move

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Speaker 1: him at the debt deadline and possibly get Jimmy Butler.

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Speaker 1: That didn't work, and then you throw Kd's name in there,

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Speaker 1: and now you got KD a little because he never knew.

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Speaker 1: You know why am I being thrown in this ship

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Speaker 1: when I didn't ask or no one talked to me

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Speaker 1: about it. Katie's got one year left. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: how much time Booker has left. But do you see

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Speaker 1: they're these guys getting out of Phoenix at the end

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Speaker 2: I hope so I would like to see him like

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Speaker 2: that because I want to see these guys win. You know,

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Speaker 2: Book is a great player, Katie's a great player. I

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Speaker 2: don't think it's gonna happen there. You know, once that

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Speaker 2: started happing with the side, the riffs start happened on

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Speaker 2: he's gonna be players talking about the coach. The next

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Speaker 2: you know, the players gonna be going to the office

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Speaker 2: talking about So it's too much friction. Everybody got to

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Speaker 2: be on the same page to win, and they not

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Speaker 2: know what's loosed up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what are we two, three, maybe four years

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Speaker 1: move from James Jones making a bunch of great moves

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Speaker 1: bucket all up. I mean, chemistry matters. Is this an

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Speaker 1: issue with new owners coming into the game and kind

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Speaker 1: of being fans and not really looking at the business

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Speaker 1: of basketball. We see it with HBO, We've seen him

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Speaker 1: with the new ownership with Dallas. It's interesting because again

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Speaker 1: that that at the top is where everything starts, and

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Speaker 1: they're fans of the game, and sometimes that ship just

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Speaker 1: doesn't work. But if if, if, I love to see

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Speaker 1: Booker get out. But if KD leaves Jack was he

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Speaker 1: thirty six? How was Kitty thirty six years old? He'll

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Speaker 1: be up for an extension after next season. He's probably

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Speaker 1: going to get a lot of money for that extension,

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Speaker 1: maybe a three year extension. Where do you do you

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Speaker 1: see any any suitable landing spots for KD? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: would love to see KD in Dallas with Kyrie and Ad.

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Speaker 1: They can happen, if they possibly could make that happen.

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Speaker 1: I also would like to see book or somewhere Where's

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Speaker 1: Booker from Bookers from the Midwest? Right Detroit? Hey, I

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Speaker 1: would love to see him go back. I would love

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Speaker 1: to go back home.

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Speaker 5: And with the way they going, they start building, you

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Speaker 5: know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I think that'll be a great piece to keep that

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Speaker 2: organization going in the right direction.

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Speaker 5: Wow, he's home. That'd be I'll be grateful.

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Speaker 1: Book That'd be crazy. I didn't think about that today.

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Speaker 1: A and D book not even shout out to Detroit.

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Speaker 1: We shall see, Yeah, I mean, you know, since we're

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Speaker 1: talking about that. Did Detroit this give the Detroit pissing

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Speaker 1: some love man thirty one wins in the last two

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Speaker 1: seasons prior to this year. I think they're currently sitting

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Speaker 1: at what thirty two to thirty three wins if I'm

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Speaker 1: not mistaken, sixth in the West eight straight wins. Kate

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Speaker 1: Cuttingham as an odds in for most improved Player. What

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Speaker 1: have you seen from this team? Jack? I mean top

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Speaker 1: ten in scoring, top five and assists. Beasley has been

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Speaker 1: a big addition to this team, averaging sixteen points youot

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Speaker 1: over forty two percent from the three point line. One

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Speaker 1: of the Thompson twins is they're making his presence felt.

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Speaker 1: Thoughts on Detroit and JB. Shout out to JB because

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Speaker 1: I thought of unjust firing from Cleveland right he was

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Speaker 1: having to see solid over in Cleveland, gets fired and

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Speaker 1: heads on over to Detroit and completely has changed his

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Speaker 1: team around. You have a bunch of guys on that team.

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Speaker 2: You could tell they all playing for so contract and

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Speaker 2: that's just what is you know, and you know contracts

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Speaker 2: where the guys are playing for respect. You know what,

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Speaker 1: That Recently, Lebron James was asked about Anthony Edwards' comments

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Speaker 5: So I look at it both ways.

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Speaker 1: To be there. I mean, I think it's just such

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Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. Right. Transitioning into some postseason awards, do

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Speaker 1: Let's see, Jack, Let's see what is going on. Let's

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Speaker 1: Kate Cuttingham minus two forty. Next up my UCLA brother

435
00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,520
Speaker 1: Norman pal Out here with the LA Clippers at plus

436
00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,040
Speaker 1: two twenty, and then there's a huge fall off, so

437
00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,440
Speaker 1: again this is a two man race. Again, Jack, who

438
00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,600
Speaker 1: you got? You know, I don't eat what I do

439
00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,080
Speaker 1: like k cunning down. I like Kate a lot too,

440
00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,280
Speaker 1: and he's probably gonna get it. But just to throw

441
00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,240
Speaker 1: in a dark horse and we can't agree with everything same,

442
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:01,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Norman pal I'm gonna go with

443
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:06,080
Speaker 1: my Brewin brother next up defensive player of the year

444
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,440
Speaker 1: with Wimby being knocked out, and move someone else other

445
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,200
Speaker 1: players up to the top. Evan Mobley, who's on Cleveland,

446
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,520
Speaker 1: who has what they have a top five defense, top five,

447
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,200
Speaker 1: top six defense, he's a plus one fifteen. Then Jaron

448
00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,360
Speaker 1: Jackson at one forty five, and then there's a steep

449
00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,480
Speaker 1: fall off after that. I don't see Rudy Rudy Gobert, Yeah,

450
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,120
Speaker 1: plus ten thousand, right pass on him this year? Jack

451
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:31,960
Speaker 1: who you got just the.

452
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Speaker 2: Way Cleves has been playing, and you know, I satid

453
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 2: they've been all year.

454
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Speaker 1: You got it.

455
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 2: Defense wings perhaps definitely wins games, and you got to

456
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,200
Speaker 2: give it to the guy in the middle over there

457
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:42,840
Speaker 2: has been holding the down.

458
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Speaker 1: Gonna go with Evan Mobley. I'm not mad at that.

459
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the dark horse here, and I

460
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 1: feel like a guy that, if I'm not mistaken, has

461
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 1: never made an All NBA defensive team but plays on

462
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,160
Speaker 1: the number one team in the Western Conference, someone who

463
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,879
Speaker 1: can guard one through four, a body full of muscle.

464
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,000
Speaker 1: Lou Dort, Yeah, I coached him in the Iverson game. Yeah,

465
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,679
Speaker 1: loud solid. He's really come a long way with this

466
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,639
Speaker 1: game as his efficiency shooting, but just his lockdown in

467
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 1: cinternation defense. If he's not Defensive Player of the Year,

468
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:12,679
Speaker 1: which he probably won't be, I hope that he is

469
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Speaker 1: a first team All NBA Defender six Man of the Year, Jack,

470
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go first this time at minus one sixty.

471
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with my little leprechaun homie out there

472
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:29,200
Speaker 1: in Boston, Peyton Pritcher as the next NBA six Man year.

473
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,159
Speaker 1: Also other guys Malik Beasley's on that, DeAndre Hunter, nas

474
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,880
Speaker 1: Reed a Men, Thompson, Russell Westbrook. Those are the top

475
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 1: six betting favorites. Who you going with? Man?

476
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,159
Speaker 2: You know they've just been trying to give Peyton Pitcher

477
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 2: something for the last three four years, trying to get it.

478
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know.

479
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 2: Everything, the champions had two shots from half court. Now

480
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 2: he the half court king, Like this is crazy. I'm

481
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Speaker 2: going with a million. Timson bro I'm going.

482
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Speaker 1: On the Twins. Yeah, I'm You're definitely, but half court

483
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 1: Kings don't listen to that hate over here. I can't.

484
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 1: Let's go where are we last, but not least Coach

485
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 1: of the Year coach Kenny Atkinson. Man shout out to

486
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Speaker 1: what he's been able to do over there in Cleveland

487
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 1: after leaving the Warriors bench. I think he turned down

488
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,360
Speaker 1: a couple jobs leading up to this because he knew

489
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: they were bullshit as teams and he probably would have

490
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 1: been fired quickly. Made the right move. But he's the

491
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Speaker 1: betting favorite of minus five hundred JB. Bickerstaff plus four

492
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Speaker 1: twenty five, and then after that it's a landslide. So

493
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Speaker 1: I think it's a two man race here, Jack, who

494
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Speaker 1: you got? I'm going to email man. I like what

495
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 1: he's doing in Houston.

496
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Speaker 2: Man, I just I just you know, I'm from Texas board,

497
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 2: but he may you know, has been through a lot

498
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 2: and to bounce back to what he's doing with these

499
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Speaker 2: young guys, got these guys playing the way he's supposed to.

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Speaker 1: I like it. I think he's one of the best

501
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Speaker 1: coaches in the NBA. Agreed. I think the way he

502
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: thinks and I think just the way he approached the

503
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 1: game when he played had given him a huge upper

504
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: hand on this coaching run. And what he's been able

505
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 1: to do with a very young team in Houston and

506
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 1: keep all those guys together. I feel like they're a

507
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,719
Speaker 1: piece away from really being a threat in the West.

508
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: But I'm not mad at this. I'm gonna go with JB.

509
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: Bickerstaff Man being fired for Cleveland for pretty much no

510
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: reason and then be able to go over to Detroit

511
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 1: and completely flip this organization around. They won thirty one

512
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: games prior to this year and two years combined, and

513
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: they're at, you know, thirty two thirty three wins this

514
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 1: year with twenty five games to go. And again, Detroit

515
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: deserves this, so I'm excited for the city of Detroit.

516
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go with JB. Bicker staff I got

517
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Speaker 1: a chance to sit down with one of the most

518
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: legendary photographers in the game. Has caught your favorite players

519
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 1: for the last thirty or forty years. Take a look

520
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 1: at my sit down interview with Andy Bernstein. I'd like

521
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Speaker 1: to welcome to the show man one of my favorite photographers,

522
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 1: a guy that's been in the business for forty plus

523
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Speaker 1: years and just retired. I couldn't believe I heard the news. Well,

524
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Speaker 1: welcome to the show, legendary Andrew Bernstein.

525
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Speaker 4: Thank you, Matt. Appreciate to see men too. You've officially

526
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Speaker 4: retired after three years. Yeah, it took a little while,

527
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 4: I mean four decades.

528
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Speaker 1: Well we see MJ return it at interview. Are you

529
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: done done? No? No.

530
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Speaker 4: I went to see my back specialty specialist and he said,

531
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Speaker 4: you know, I think you got to walk off the.

532
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: Court while you still can walk off the court. Now.

533
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Speaker 4: My back was a mess, and I've been struggling the

534
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 4: last few years with the traveling and just the schlepping

535
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Speaker 4: around a lot. And you know, I still love doing it.

536
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 4: And I left when I felt it was time to go.

537
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 4: But the NBA was great about sort of weaning me

538
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 4: off the court less road games. I was doing like

539
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 4: every third game at home. So it was a good

540
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 4: time to.

541
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Speaker 1: Go forty three years and around all sports, not just NBA.

542
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Speaker 1: We were talking before we got on air about you know,

543
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Speaker 1: my team is the Niners, and you're talking about I

544
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Speaker 1: go back with Montana and Rice and Steve Young at

545
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: the old Candlestick Parks. I mean, what got you in

546
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: to photography, but particularly sports photography.

547
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Speaker 4: Well, I was a kid I was fourteen, my dad

548
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 4: bought me my first camera, and I wasn't interested at

549
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 4: all in photography, but we took a trip to the

550
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 4: Western United States up in Brooklyn, so the furthest west

551
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 4: avergot was New Jersey. So what I got to see,

552
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 4: you know, the Grand Canyon and Yosemite and all the

553
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 4: great national parks. And he taught me all the basics

554
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 4: for a photography, but you know, it was film cameras

555
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 4: and all manual stuff and all that business, and I

556
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 4: had to just learn on the fly, and I just

557
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 4: took to it. It was kind of like maybe the

558
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 4: first time you went out on the court when you

559
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 4: were a kid and you just fell in love with

560
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 4: the game and bouncing the ball.

561
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Speaker 1: And that's how I felt.

562
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Speaker 4: And I took it, you know, I took it seriously

563
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 4: in high school, and I went to college for it

564
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 4: at UMass in the shadow of doctor J I came

565
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 4: in after him and then transferred out here in my

566
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Speaker 4: junior year to a place called Arts Center and became

567
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 4: an assistant for Sports Illustrated. And that's really where I

568
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 4: got my on the job training, going NBA games and

569
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Speaker 4: learning how to light arenas like poly Pavilion and near

570
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 4: and dear to your heart, and the Forum and of

571
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,959
Speaker 4: course the old sports arena for how hockey and basketball primarily. Now,

572
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 4: I was just in the right place at the right time.

573
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 4: I you know, was there at the beginning of showtime

574
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Speaker 4: and the NBA was starting to ramp up their need

575
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Speaker 4: for photography and uh, you know, Brooklyn guy, I have

576
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 4: a little bit of moxie in me and was able

577
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 4: to kind of push the door open a little bit,

578
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 4: kind of create some opportunity for myself.

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Speaker 1: I mean, looking back, and again, you'd literally just retired

580
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: in May, but can you give me possibly your top

581
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Speaker 1: three to five moments you feel like you've personally covered. Ooh,

582
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 1: that's a good one.

583
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, MBA wise, I could give you a

584
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 4: million of them, a little probably fifty of them.

585
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Speaker 1: But you know, I was there for Kirk Gibson's home run.

586
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 4: I was working for the Dodgers back then, and that

587
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 4: was monument eighty eight game won the World Series. It

588
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 4: felt like I felt like, literally that the stadium was

589
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 4: going to crack in half. It was so unbelievable. And

590
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 4: then you know, Jordan's first championship, which at the time

591
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 4: was pretty monumental because it took them seven years to

592
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Speaker 4: get there, but none of us knew, of course, that

593
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 4: he had by more coming. All the time I spent

594
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 4: with Showtime with you know, Riley and Magic and all

595
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 4: those guys, it was just amazing. And of course it

596
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 4: was with Phil Phil Jackson for all eleven of his championships.

597
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: Wow.

598
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 4: So I was the first guy always in the locker room.

599
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 4: I remember this like it was yesterday. And the first

600
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 4: year he won with the Bulls, I'm the first guy

601
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 4: in the locker room, champagne, the whole thing, and then

602
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 4: he sees me in there. You know, Phil was always

603
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 4: knew what was going on in his locker room. Second

604
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 4: year I ended up. I'm in the locker room, first

605
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 4: guy in. He's given me the eye third time, and

606
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 4: he goes, this is going to become a habit.

607
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Speaker 1: High Andy.

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Speaker 4: I said, well, I hope so, coach, because I loved

609
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 4: the here, so you know, that was great. And then

610
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 4: of course spending twenty years with the Mamba was as

611
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 4: an experience was amazing. And I can't leave out the

612
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 4: Dream Team because the Dream Team. If I could have

613
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 4: retired after the Dream Team experience would have been a

614
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 4: good career.

615
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Speaker 1: But it was just at the start. But obviously it's

616
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: not just obviously photography. You're around these guys. Obviously you

617
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: and Kobe were business partners and you were his personal guy.

618
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: But you were around Michael, and you're around Joe Montana

619
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Speaker 1: and all these guys in Phil and Kobe and Shaq.

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00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 4: I mean, what was that experience? Like you were around

621
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Speaker 4: the greatest of the greatest across the board. Well, you know,

622
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 4: you guys are just guys. You know, you happen to

623
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 4: play a sport that I love, and you're tremendous athletes,

624
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 4: all of you guys. But when it comes down to it,

625
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 4: we all share common stuff. You know, we're all just

626
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 4: trying to make it in our profession. You know, I

627
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 4: was glad to be there to help document showtime and

628
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 4: help document the Shaq and Kobe era and Jordan era,

629
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Speaker 4: and I think there was some appreciation of that. I

630
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 4: guess that some of my photos tended to sort of

631
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 4: live on But I just loved the one on one conversation.

632
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 4: I mean, you and I had I don't know how

633
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 4: many conversations in locker room and after a game or

634
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 4: practice or on the bus or whatever, and that's that

635
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 4: was the most fun just hanging with the guys.

636
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: Really talk to us about when you first met Kobe

637
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: and how the relationship lasted a lifetime.

638
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 4: Well, he was, he was quite a phenomenon coming out

639
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 4: of high school. Although honestly, I don't know about you,

640
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 4: but like being on the West Coast, we didn't hear

641
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 4: that much about him. I mean, he's a kid out

642
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 4: of Philadelphi, suburban Philadelphia. The Lakers made this crazy trade

643
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 4: with beloved Vladi Devots going to Charlotte and then if

644
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 4: you remember, Vlati like threatened to retire, which would have

645
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 4: kabash the whole trade. But somehow Jerry West was able

646
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 4: to make some magic. And you know, hear this kid

647
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 4: comes out. He just turned eighteen years old, and he's

648
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 4: in front of me on media day, and you know

649
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 4: what media days like.

650
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: It's like chaos.

651
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 4: It's like giant circus sets all over the Laker gym

652
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 4: and you guys have to go from one set to

653
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 4: the next, you know, doing an interview, photo shoot and

654
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 4: marketing thing and whatever. And he came on my set

655
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 4: and for his first headshot in the Laker uniform, and

656
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 4: like any new player probably did this with you that

657
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 4: you know, if I don't know you. I walk in

658
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 4: and before I take the picture, go and introduce myself.

659
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 4: You know, it's a respectful thing. I say, hey, Kobe,

660
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 4: I'm Andy Bernsey. I'm your team photographer. And he literally

661
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 4: is shaking my hand, looking me in the eye with

662
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 4: those eyes.

663
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: You know.

664
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 4: He goes, well, I know who you are, man, you

665
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 4: know wow, And yeah, I'm thinking it's kind of a

666
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 4: smart ass thing to say.

667
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: You think so?

668
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 4: I mean, who says that to somebody? Because and I

669
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 4: said to him, I said, I don't know how that's

670
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 4: possible because we never met. And he goes and he

671
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 4: literally did in a beat, he said, well, I had

672
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 4: all your posters in my room growing up, and in

673
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 4: that instant that it is Likeames, but who reads photo credits.

674
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: On a poster? For God's him? Him? Him?

675
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 4: And I came to learn over the years, especially when

676
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 4: we did our book together, that he just didn't want

677
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 4: a nice poster of MJ or Doctor J or Isaiah

678
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 4: or Magic, all the guys that he wanted to be like.

679
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 4: He studied it like, you know, almost like a surgeon

680
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 4: was dissecting something, and in those beautiful photos, he was

681
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 4: breaking down everything. Muscle tone, what the guy's looking at

682
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 4: you know, where his hips are in relation to his hands,

683
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 4: all that stuff. And I know, from that moment on,

684
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 4: I just knew there was something about this kid that

685
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 4: you know, I was twenty years older than him at

686
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 4: the time.

687
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: He's eighteen, I was thirty eight.

688
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 4: And then he kind of reminded me a little bit

689
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 4: of me at eighteen. Yeah, kind of a smart ass

690
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 4: it but also wanting to prove himself. You know, he

691
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 4: was literally a boy among men, and he looked like

692
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 4: he was fourteen. I mean he really did, and you know,

693
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 4: skinny as anything, and that relationship just just built over time.

694
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: Same question I just asked, four, do you have five

695
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: favorites of Kobe oh Man? Great, you got all of them.

696
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: But well, there was some stuff during USA Basketball. It

697
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: wasn't there when he won the gold either time, but

698
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: just just seeing him around the guys was great. The

699
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: famous kind of moment of Shack carrying him on his

700
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: back in Indiana, I think it was Game two or

701
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: something regarding a couple of game winners I was there

702
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,479
Speaker 1: for twenty ten. Was amazing in the locker room where

703
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: the guys are just showering him with champagne and he's

704
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: got his arms out and some great moments, some great

705
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: moments with his family. You know, we just passed the

706
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: anniversary and I was just looking back on some photos

707
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: of he and Gigi together, and you know, it breaks

708
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: all our heart, but I was just so glad to

709
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: be there to document it. That from Vanessa now.

710
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 4: So you know, he was just he was He was

711
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 4: one of a kind.

712
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: Really, the Achilles game versus the Warriors. You were in

713
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,719
Speaker 1: that building was what was the energy like when that happened.

714
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 4: I had never been in a place that size that

715
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 4: you could hear a pin drop because everybody knew something happened.

716
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 4: It was such an innocuous thing. As you remember, he

717
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 4: made a move and boom went down like a ton

718
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 4: of bricks. I was on the other end, so I

719
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 4: actually had a good angle and had him actually towards you, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

720
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 4: but he was like on the other other side of

721
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 4: the court. Yeah, And just like the sea parted and

722
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 4: I was able to get a picture of him going

723
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 4: right to his Achilles in the moment.

724
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: And then Gary came out.

725
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 4: As you remember, and and they go they go to

726
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 4: the bench, and of course, you know legendary mamba fashion.

727
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: He goes down and shoots the free throw.

728
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 4: But I honestly, Matt, I've never really talked about this,

729
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 4: but I was so broken up when that happened, because

730
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 4: here he is in the sixteenth season.

731
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: You know, it's got to be the end.

732
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 4: I mean, nobody in sixteen season comes back from something

733
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 4: like that. And he had already accomplished so much already,

734
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 4: and I didn't have the heart to go in the

735
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 4: locker room after the game, and you know, he held

736
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 4: that sort of impromptu press conference where he was tearing up.

737
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 4: And I don't regret that I wasn't there for that,

738
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 4: but I was there in the hall when he came

739
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 4: out with the crutches and the girls were waiting for

740
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 4: him and Vanessa, and it was a poignant moment. But

741
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 4: he he came out of that. You know, remember Gary

742
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 4: Vety had that door side, and he came out with

743
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 4: a smile on his face because his girls were out there,

744
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 4: you know, and he was positive. From that moment on,

745
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 4: he had his moment of of concern and worry, and

746
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 4: I'm sure he was scared, scared that that was the end.

747
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 4: But and then just I was there for his rehab.

748
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 4: I was actually there when he got the when doctor

749
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 4: Latrosh took the took the stitches out and was telling him, look,

750
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 4: you got to take it easy, you know, you grab

751
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 4: this boot right.

752
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely gotta tell him that. Some say that night

753
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: kind of gave birth to the Mamba mentality. I mean

754
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: it was always the Mamba, but like you said, to think,

755
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: you know, you're thinking it would be over. I think

756
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people probably had similar sentiments to you, like,

757
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: this guy's accomplished everything, He's won all these championships. There's

758
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: no way he's coming back. And I think he's the

759
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: one person we both know that once he turns this

760
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: on to something like there's just get out of the way. Yeah, exactly.

761
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Mama mentality was definitely there before that.

762
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 4: But for him to come back and be really stronger

763
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 4: than he was when he went down, I wouldn't say

764
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 4: he was as strong as he was, you know, at

765
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 4: the height of his career, but for him to not

766
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 4: let an injury define when he was going to leave

767
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 4: the game, and to come back as strong as he did,

768
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 4: you know, drop sixty in his last game, Mamba out,

769
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 4: I mean crazy, who could write that him? Yeah, we're

770
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 4: in Hollywood, nobody could have written that.

771
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 1: It's amazing outside of sports some of your favorite I

772
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 1: mean outside of basketball, some of your favorite sporting moments

773
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: you've been able to kind of be a part of.

774
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, I've been. I mean I mentioned the Kirk

775
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 4: Gibson game. Worked for the Dodgers during that World Series.

776
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 4: I think I shot three or four Super Bowls. That

777
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 4: was super fun. It was around some really good college basketball.

778
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 4: I used to cover the USC women's team when Cheryl

779
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 4: Million and when Lisa Leslie was there.

780
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: Love covering that.

781
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 4: And back in the early days of my career, I

782
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 4: covered really anything that everything I get a credential for.

783
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 4: You know, if it was women's field hockey or water polo,

784
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 4: I didn't care because I needed to be building my portfolio.

785
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 4: You know, many of the international events that the NBA

786
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 4: has done. I was at the first McDonald's Championship.

787
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: Being in the NBA.

788
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 4: Bubble was quite the experience.

789
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: The whole time.

790
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 4: I was there fifty three days, Yeah, fifty three days.

791
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 4: I was there for the end. So when the very

792
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 4: end of the regular season, playoffs and then into the

793
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 4: interesting time.

794
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's go through some of the photos you've

795
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: taken that. We kind of pulled to the These are

796
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: early ones of me. Ooh, those Clipper teams, now we're talking.

797
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: You were around those Clipper teams a lot. I was.

798
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: Those Lob City teams were very talented. We just couldn't

799
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: get over I mean, I think we couldn't get out

800
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: of our own way. Yeah. That was a fun team

801
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: and a fun time in La. It was kind of

802
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: a time where code was down a little bit, yep,

803
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: and those Lob City teams were exciting. This is I

804
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: think the last time we played against each other. Yeah,

805
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: I was Memphis. He was there. He had just gave

806
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: the twins a Jerseys. I don't know if you're in

807
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: there for that.

808
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, got a picture twins, my picture, Yeah that is

809
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 4: your picture.

810
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm saying I'm not sure if you got

811
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: the picture with him twins he gave them and they

812
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: were only like seven, eight years old. Maybe. Yeah, that

813
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: was that. We saw you everywhere. Yeah, know, you just

814
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: weren't at our games. I mean how often how many

815
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: days a week would you be at Staples on a

816
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: good week.

817
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 4: Well, I became the director of photography for AG, which

818
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 4: at that time was just Staples Center when when it opened,

819
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 4: actually before it opened in nineteen ninety eight, but ninety

820
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 4: nine when the building opened, then of course got the theater.

821
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 4: So my company still to this day in the twenty

822
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 4: fifth year of being the house photographers for the complex.

823
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: So I was there a lot.

824
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 4: My office was in the building. I mean, if you

825
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 4: know where the Laker banners are in the upper concourses,

826
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 4: a bunch of offices back there.

827
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: I was. That's where my office was.

828
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 4: And so I was there for every every Laker home game,

829
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 4: every Clipper home game. And I've been to the LA Kings

830
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 4: team photographer for four decades.

831
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 1: You saw the great one.

832
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I was living there, which wasn't great, not

833
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 4: conducive to family life with you kids growing up at you.

834
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 4: And then when I'm not there, I was on the road.

835
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's a tough life. I mean you mentioned

836
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: at the end that that grind is what kind of

837
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: pushed me away from the game. I felt like I

838
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: was missing so much time, and I mean your schedule

839
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: was more hectic than mine because I just had to

840
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: go on mine. You have to go crubb the entire

841
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: you know, realm of the league. So yeah, now the

842
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: NBA was great. But they they push it, they work,

843
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: they work it, and you know for the Grammy trip

844
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: for example, when the building shuts down. I mean I'd

845
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: be on.

846
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 4: The road, you know, two weeks in a road doing

847
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 4: nine ten games, and then they'd be like, oh, well

848
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 4: you have a day in between, go to Chicago and

849
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 4: do that game.

850
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: Did not take a breather, right your day off? Yeah, man,

851
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: that's my rookie year. That's that two thousand and two

852
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: or three. Wow. Old school Clippers, And that is definitely

853
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: old school because me and Baron, Baron just got here.

854
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: That's what we believe. Run right there.

855
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 4: That was that was you know, I left that out

856
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 4: because and I should remember that was one of the

857
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 4: greatest runs that I really ever part of. Really Oh

858
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 4: to see you guys like kick Dallas's as at home

859
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 4: and that I was there for that game. Baron had

860
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 4: that dunk over Carolinko. Yeah, that's my picture, and uh,

861
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 4: the excitement in that building in Oracle. I mean they

862
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 4: talked about the Warriors, you know, the Steph Curry Warriors.

863
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: Which we got to take our hat off to.

864
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 4: But what you guys did was different, man, little engine that.

865
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: Could different energy, some more iconic photos. Wow, Mjan and

866
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: his dad Kobe.

867
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Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, there was some moments.

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00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: When you kind of look back. I mean like for me,

869
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: this would be like looking back at like old game

870
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: footage or something like how do you I mean, obviously

871
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 1: it's fresh, but like, what are you going to miss about?

872
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you had one of the greatest jobs anyone

873
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: can ever ask for who was a sports fan. What

874
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: are you going to miss the most? Yeah?

875
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Speaker 4: I really missed being around the guys. I missed the

876
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 4: routine of getting there, getting arena at a certain time.

877
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 4: I had a very strict routine. Great crew that I

878
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 4: worked with, you know, would set up everything for me,

879
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 4: you know, seeing all the fellas come in and Kibbittsen

880
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 4: in the in the training room with Gary Veanie and

881
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 4: then Gary all this, all the fans that I knew,

882
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 4: both teams courtside and of course the referees and all

883
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 4: this stuff, and then you know, getting to game time

884
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 4: and then locking in and being there to record truly

885
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 4: the greatest athletes on the face of the earth. I mean,

886
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 4: I know that Cliche and David Stern loved talking about that,

887
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 4: but it's really true. I mean, as a photographer, professional

888
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 4: basketball athletes are our gift.

889
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and we were thankful to have someone like you

890
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: capturing those moments. Before you get out of here, tell

891
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: us a little bit about your podcast, Leedens of Sports.

892
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 4: Thank you. Well, listen, man, I'm just trying to grow

893
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 4: up to be like you. Well, you know my partners.

894
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 4: I have two really close friends who are partners, both

895
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 4: in the sports business in different areas. And you know,

896
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 4: we were seeing about ten years ago or so that

897
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 4: a lot of guys were struggling post retirement, and the

898
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 4: spotlight had moved off of those guys, and not only

899
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 4: did they not make the big money back and we're

900
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 4: talking like, you know, eighties and early nineties, but they

901
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 4: were struggling and they were forgotten about, and we wanted

902
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 4: to kind of shine the light back on, not just

903
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 4: to the stars, but the guys who might have been

904
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 4: part of you know, if you think about the showtime Lakers,

905
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 4: seven eight guys come to mind, but there were like

906
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 4: forty guys who won rings in the eighties that people

907
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 4: might not remember. So we saw sort of a little

908
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 4: bit of a void in the sports content landscape. And

909
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 4: I didn't realize that I really loved doing what you do,

910
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,959
Speaker 4: was sitting there talking about stuff, I mean, learning about

911
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 4: people where they started. I actually started a show on

912
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 4: Time Warner, which was you know, previous the Spectrum on

913
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 4: a Laker channel called Through the Lens, where I would

914
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 4: just sit and talk to a Laker personality Genie Buzz,

915
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 4: Gary Ved, James Worthy, whoever about their career through my photos.

916
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 4: And I never thought I could be on the other

917
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 4: side of the camera. I I never envisioned it, but

918
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 4: I took to it.

919
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: I loved it.

920
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 4: And Norm Pattis, the great late Norm Pattis who owned

921
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 4: podcasts one who you remember sat courtside.

922
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: Right in the middle.

923
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 4: The guy always had their program. A crazy Laker fan

924
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 4: became a great friend and he became a mentor, and

925
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 4: he was helping me sort of call this idea of

926
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 4: legends of sport. And he calls me over before he

927
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 4: gave He goes, Andy, and I saw the show you

928
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,959
Speaker 4: did on the Laker Network and I love it. It's great.

929
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 4: It's great you're talking to people. And I said, thank you,

930
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 4: Norman Goes. I got to get that on my podcast network.

931
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 4: And this is like ten years ago, and you know,

932
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 4: I'm still working this photograph and I said. I looked,

933
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 4: literally looked at him. I said, Norm, thank you for that,

934
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 4: But I don't know what a podcast is, you know, i'd.

935
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 1: Heard the term.

936
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 4: He goes, It's like radio, but just longer interviews. And

937
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 4: I said, well, Norm, with all due respect, you know,

938
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 4: I appreciate you wanting me to, you know, take this

939
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 4: to your podcast network. But it's a visual show, like

940
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 4: we're showing pictures. Can you curse on the show?

941
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: You can? Right, so, he says.

942
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 4: So he says to me, he says, Andy, nobody gives

943
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 4: a shit about the pictures. They want to hear the story.

944
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 1: He says.

945
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 7: They want to see the pictures. That go to your website,

946
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 7: they go to your instagram. I said, Norm, let's do it.

947
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 7: And the next day literally went down to his office

948
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 7: in Beverly Hills. We hammered out something and here I

949
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 7: am doing a podcast and we're in. We're in, you know,

950
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 7: deep into season seven, two hundred and sixty or so interviews,

951
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 7: and I love it.

952
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it too. I love it, Yeah, I

953
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: love it. For you. Before we get you out of you,

954
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you on the spot one last time.

955
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: Your favorite event that you've covered, favorite event only pick

956
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: one across all the sports, all the greatness you saw,

957
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you on the spots. Oh, that is

958
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 1: a tough one. Actually, give me two.

959
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 4: Well, I really I'd have to say when the Dream

960
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 4: Team won the gold medal in Barcelona ninety two, that

961
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 4: was really amazing because I had been with them all

962
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 4: seven weeks, documenting every step of the way, lived with

963
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 4: those guys, and we all knew they were going to win,

964
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 4: but the moment was, you know, when the flag goes

965
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 4: up and they got the medals on it.

966
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: So that was so.

967
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 4: Great to capture that. And then you know, MJ's first

968
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 4: championship was unbelievable, but I got it. Really pointed twenty

969
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 4: ten for Kobe's fifth ring, which he was.

970
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: The deam season because they lost to Boston the year Yeah, yeah, yeah.

971
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 4: And he you know, and it was devastating when they

972
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 4: lost in two thousand and eight, and he said at

973
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 4: the time, he said, I'm not retiring until I beat

974
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 4: the Celtics in the finals. And so they got there

975
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 4: and that was such a monumental series.

976
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: The game seven at home, he didn't have a great game,

977
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: as you had that shot, right, Yeah, but.

978
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 4: In his greatness, he was able to defer and you know,

979
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 4: meta hits that shot of out of nowhere. So it

980
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 4: was such a great moment to be there and my

981
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 4: wife was there, my late mother in law was there,

982
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 4: and you know, have family there and be part of

983
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 4: that was really amazing.

984
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: Well, Andy Man, it's always been a pleasure working with you,

985
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: speaking with You've always just been one of the one

986
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: of the real good guys around the game man, And

987
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: we appreciate your forty three years of greatness, joy enjoyed

988
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: retirement life.

989
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 4: Thank you, new for you, and thank you for all

990
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 4: the moments.

991
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: That you gave me on that. I appreciate that. I

992
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed this episode of Unplugged. You can catch

993
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: this on all the Smoke Productions YouTube and the Draft

994
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: Kings Network. See y'all next week. G