Speaker 1: So who do you forgive? And how do you move forward?
Speaker 1: You're moving forward? Are you're forgiving? Who do you have
Speaker 1: to forgive? Do you forgive CNN? Do you watch it?
Speaker 1: Do you forgive Jeff Jeff Zucker? Do you still hold anger?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What's what's the arc?
Speaker 3: I think it's always about degree, right, I mean CNN,
Speaker 3: that's easy. I love CNN. I miss the people there.
Speaker 3: I think it's an amazing organization. People are full of
Speaker 3: shit when they say that CNN is no good and
Speaker 3: all that nobody covers news internationally the way that place
Speaker 3: does a foreign correspondence I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 3: So I love CNN. Do I watch CNN? Absolutely? And
Speaker 3: I wish all those people's success, and I'm jealous of
Speaker 3: their success, and they're going to have success. I don't
Speaker 3: have a beef with CNN. I have a beef with
Speaker 3: my bosses at the time, and they're rationale for firing
Speaker 3: me because it was a bullshit rationale. All you running
Speaker 3: to them?
Speaker 1: You're in the Hamptons. You ever run into them?
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit. I mean, you know, I'm careful
Speaker 3: about it, and I don't want anybody to the way
Speaker 3: I'm not here to hurt anybody, eat anybody up. It's
Speaker 3: it's hurt full. Now where does forgiveness come in. Where
Speaker 3: it comes in is I get why they did what
Speaker 3: they did. I get what the pressure points were, I
Speaker 3: get what they were afraid of because I know they're
Speaker 3: not telling the truth. But again, I know why this
Speaker 3: story was what it was.
Speaker 1: Cover your ass. You have to cover your ass. You
Speaker 1: think they're a great place, and they didn't get there
Speaker 1: by like, you know, playing fast and loose. You think
Speaker 1: they're just covering their ass.
Speaker 3: I mean, in my situation, that's absolutely what it was.
Speaker 3: Why I'm litigating. But it's not this guy's good. You know,
Speaker 3: this guy's bad, this woman's bad. I don't play that game.
Speaker 3: What happened happened. I don't want to see anything bad
Speaker 3: happen anybody. I don't believe in that shit. It takes
Speaker 3: a lot of energy from me. I don't believe in it.
Speaker 3: And if I want something bad to happen to you,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do it, and then I'll pay. I'll take
Speaker 3: the consequences. I've done that before in my life, where
Speaker 3: I've been like, this fucking guy is going to get
Speaker 3: his ass beat right now.
Speaker 1: But you're not saying, don't hate the player, hate the game.
Speaker 1: You understand the whole game, the mask, machines, the chest,
Speaker 1: the whole deal.
Speaker 3: It's just like they look, hate whoever or whatever you want,
Speaker 3: as long as it gets you to a better place.
Speaker 3: And it just worked for me. Forgiveness is very hard.
Speaker 3: I suck at it personal level. I believe I deserve
Speaker 3: no forgiveness. Everything I do is intentional. It's not like
Speaker 3: I was too stupid said this thing to my son,
Speaker 3: or that I should have done this to my buddy,
Speaker 3: or you know, it's I know and I do stupid
Speaker 3: shit anyway. So likewise, and then it's next, and that's
Speaker 3: the part that I focus all my time on. Now.
Speaker 1: So what is now? Let's hear what's what? Well, what's next?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's totally about context. It's like, what's
Speaker 3: what's next? I never do podcasts. I never do.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Thank you? What made you do
Speaker 1: this podcast?
Speaker 3: I'll tell you why. One you've always been good to me.
Speaker 3: Uh And two it was who am I not to
Speaker 3: do her podcast? Like, you know, she's given me an opportunity.
Speaker 3: It's nice of her to do it. Why wouldn't I
Speaker 3: do it? Who fuck am I? You know I can't.
Speaker 3: You know. I like what you're about. I like how
Speaker 3: you've built yourself and you know, your brand, And the
Speaker 3: whole point I'm trying to do here is to try
Speaker 3: to take what I've been through, to take what I
Speaker 3: know is true about the world around us and the
Speaker 3: situations that we all live, and you know, help people
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I really wanted to talk to you, and then
Speaker 1: I guess, Oh, two things. One, don lemon, do you
Speaker 1: speak to him? Do you see him out there? You
Speaker 1: guys friends?
Speaker 3: No, the situation screwed us up because, uh, he decided
Speaker 3: to believe things, you know, on his own basis. I
Speaker 3: get it. I wish him no ill. He's a beautiful
Speaker 3: guy and I want good things, and he's a talent.
Speaker 3: But you know, the situation fucked up a lot of
Speaker 3: relationships for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the rip tide.
Speaker 3: But again, you know, you gotta go forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I saw him in the Hampton's and I think
Speaker 1: I talked to him about coming on, and he looked
Speaker 1: like it was a little deflated. He looked handsome, and
Speaker 1: he's lovely, and he was nice, and he just looked
Speaker 1: like he was like overall confused, like what you know?
Speaker 1: What am I doing?
Speaker 3: What am I? Am?
Speaker 1: I going here? Am I going there? It's just it's
Speaker 1: it's an interesting thing to talk to you and have
Speaker 1: seen him on the street, and I was like, you
Speaker 1: should come on and talk.
Speaker 3: He will have opportunities. He is very talented and I
Speaker 3: do not you know, I missed the relationship. I wish
Speaker 3: him well. He has it wrong.
Speaker 1: But you know, listen, you never know cooler minds prevailed.
Speaker 1: You don't know where he is right now. He's been
Speaker 1: through his own experience.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't, uh, you know, listen. I reached
Speaker 3: out to him as soon as he was in trouble
Speaker 3: to say I'm here, okay, and anything I can do.
Speaker 1: He hired my lawyer, by the way, Oh he did well.
Speaker 1: By the way, everyone's going to think that. So Brian
Speaker 1: Freeman is Chris's lawyer and I guess Don's lawyer. I
Speaker 1: have referred people to him in this reality reckoning, but
Speaker 1: Brian is not my lawyer. But I didn't call. I've
Speaker 1: been asking for Christopher a long time. I have a
Speaker 1: list of people that I just would like to talk
Speaker 1: to you since the beginning. So it's coincidental, but yeah,
Speaker 1: so oh I didn't know don so great you guys
Speaker 1: all are working with Brian if I.
Speaker 3: Had bad intentions you know, for him, which I certainly don't.
Speaker 3: But it sucks. Yeah, sucks. Yeah, people that matter to
Speaker 3: you in your life for bad reasons sucks. But forward, yep,
Speaker 3: you know, and you you know, forgive yourself or whatever
Speaker 3: you did in the situation. Kind of kind of scotch
Speaker 3: taped to a task of promise to try to learn
Speaker 3: and do better. If there is something in that.
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Speaker 1: So what's your rose and your thorn? Of your career?
Speaker 1: Not your life, not your wife, not your kids. The
Speaker 1: rose and the thorn may not be something we expect.
Speaker 3: It's funny when you say rose Rose is my producer.
Speaker 1: Oh, your current producer.
Speaker 3: She does all.
Speaker 1: So forget you have you have another rose. You have
Speaker 1: two roses in your career.
Speaker 3: What you tell you, But in my life you know,
Speaker 3: it's a it's a it's a good question, and that's
Speaker 3: a hard question. The thorn is my emotional baggage, my
Speaker 3: emotional uh, the the the experiences and the personality formation
Speaker 3: as a response, and I'm not talking about Listen, this
Speaker 3: is the truth. Okay. What happened with my brother, what
Speaker 3: happened with me and CNN is very low on the
Speaker 3: list of bad things I've gotten through in my life.
Speaker 1: That's why I asked it.
Speaker 3: And you know, and I'm very careful to say. Look, look,
Speaker 3: I'm not feeling sorry for myself. It sucks to lose
Speaker 3: your job, and it was a little bit more than
Speaker 3: a job because it was kind of a platform. But
Speaker 3: I'm okay with that. I don't like how it happened.
Speaker 3: It's created challenges for me. I'll probably have to work
Speaker 3: longer now that I was going to before, and there's
Speaker 3: all this other bullshit. I'm alright with that. I don't
Speaker 3: like what happened to my brother, but I don't believe
Speaker 3: that you get to stay in that space for any
Speaker 3: amount of time. This suck to what happened to you
Speaker 3: now what you know, you don't have the choice. I
Speaker 3: get it, you don't like it now.
Speaker 1: What you know, Well, I didn't ask you about the
Speaker 1: money because before you get to your rose, I didn't
Speaker 1: ask you about the money at concept because when I
Speaker 1: left house was I thought about how am I going
Speaker 1: to piece this all together for the because you have
Speaker 1: a nut bigger nuts? So are you noisy with the money?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 3: It's it's hard and this is expensive, by the way,
Speaker 3: and I'm the only one playing with my own money
Speaker 3: in this litigation. And you know, ah, the money has
Speaker 3: been an issue, but I'm working on it. It's part
Speaker 3: to fix but I am not. And maybe this makes me,
Speaker 3: and I've been told this before, maybe it makes me
Speaker 3: effective at my job. I have the ability to go
Speaker 3: into situations that are incredibly frightening or painful, or fraud
Speaker 3: or controversial and be okay with whatever comes at me
Speaker 3: because of the emotional components of my personality that tell me, yeah,
Speaker 3: bad shit should come you away. You know who's who
Speaker 3: are you not to have it common to you? And
Speaker 3: this is what you deserve anyway, So go stand in
Speaker 3: the war zone and whatever happens happens, do the job.
Speaker 3: And this person's pain, I'm not going to start crying. Aunt,
Speaker 3: not that I'm okay with people emoting when they're on TV,
Speaker 3: but don't think that every journalist who's out there doesn't
Speaker 3: want to emote that way. It's just there are a
Speaker 3: lot of people who believe their job isn't to make
Speaker 3: you feel storry for that, it's to make you feel
Speaker 3: sorry for the situation. And I don't know either way,
Speaker 3: but I think it helps me because I don't have
Speaker 3: a good sense of self protection, and I protect other
Speaker 3: people all the time. I'll stop I see somebody on
Speaker 3: the side of the road. There's an eighty five percent
Speaker 3: chance I'll stop. And I don't even know why I have.
Speaker 3: The time, they're scared shitless because like this vanilla gorilla
Speaker 3: gets or whatever I'm driving, and they're like, but you know,
Speaker 3: I'll help you get a flat tire or help you
Speaker 3: need a ride and help you know whatever it is.
Speaker 3: Why why not? But when you don't, you know, when
Speaker 3: you have that damage, when you have that that dynamic
Speaker 3: of not believing. And that's why I always joke when
Speaker 3: people to me, when people are like, well, you know,
Speaker 3: he's a little arrogant. I am almost from a personality perspective,
Speaker 3: incapable of arrogance. I don't believe that I'm better than
Speaker 3: anyone at anything. It's why I'm able to unpack failure
Speaker 3: when someone well she killed this guy with Well, let's
Speaker 3: find out why.
Speaker 1: You're being very humble. You're not positioning this, you're not
Speaker 1: sugarcoating it, you're not frosting it. You said like, I
Speaker 1: can't like you. You've leaned into that, which I respect.
Speaker 1: I think that's so secure. I think it's very secure
Speaker 1: to just say what happened.
Speaker 3: Weren't I wish it weren't this way. I wish that
Speaker 3: I could be like people that I learned from and
Speaker 3: that I live with. Who are I'm awesome? I'm awesome.
Speaker 3: I'm not perfect, but I'm awesome. I love who I
Speaker 3: love who I love how this is. I love that
Speaker 3: I got this table, I love this.
Speaker 1: House right, this is all.
Speaker 3: I want to be that way. I want that way.
Speaker 3: I would tell you to be that way. Be hyper
Speaker 3: positive on yourself, be super optimistic about yourself. Sell yourself up.
Speaker 3: Life will bring you down and create the market for you.
Speaker 3: You never sell your.
Speaker 1: Good not good line, but I don't do it. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a thorn, you.
Speaker 3: Know, So that's I am my own thorn. What is
Speaker 3: my my rose? Is this this? I have a feeling
Speaker 3: that is you know, so, it's just a feeling. You know,
Speaker 3: it's not tangible, it's not it's even ineffable. You know,
Speaker 3: it's a nebulous thing. It's not like even defining. I
Speaker 3: have a feeling that conveys a couple of very absolute
Speaker 3: ideas to me, which is, I believe in better. I
Speaker 3: believe that I'm supposed to be involved in the dynamical
Speaker 3: going through because I wasn't going to come back in
Speaker 3: the media if Dusty hadn't come to me and said, Wow,
Speaker 3: you've been a lot of shitty things in the thirty
Speaker 3: years I've known you. You will never acquit her, never.
Speaker 3: And now you're just curled up on the floor like
Speaker 3: a little bitch, to use her words. She loves calling
Speaker 3: me that, by the way, And you know, just sitting
Speaker 3: here nursing a tequila bottle. Get up and get back
Speaker 3: in media. You were supposed to You're supposed to be there.
Speaker 3: I have a feeling that as uncomfortable as this is,
Speaker 3: I mean, even this, I you know so, I would
Speaker 3: much rather be having this conversation with you at a
Speaker 3: restaurant right now you know than doing this. Why are
Speaker 3: people going to take shit out of context?
Speaker 1: And they're not. They're not. They're not, they're not. I
Speaker 1: mean maybe some things. I can't control everything, but they're like, I.
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying, and I know what but I'm
Speaker 3: just saying, that's just what it is. Yeah, but I
Speaker 3: think for this, and my feeling tells me you signed
Speaker 3: up for it. You can help here, okay, it matters, okay,
Speaker 3: And you got to have a purpose driven life. And
Speaker 3: I can't just make money. I worked at a great
Speaker 3: law firm. I've had so many friends throw opportunities at
Speaker 3: me to either be in the cell side of hedge funds,
Speaker 3: of private equity or all these different things. I worked
Speaker 3: in mesity finance so many different ways to make so
Speaker 3: much more money than I was making, and I was
Speaker 3: you know, I.
Speaker 1: Got that too.
Speaker 3: It doesn't work for me. I'm saying that I like
Speaker 3: to take care of my family. I like that they
Speaker 3: don't have to worry about things. I like that I
Speaker 3: don't have to. I mean, I do now because I'm
Speaker 3: in a fucking barrel. But the I'm a grinder and
Speaker 3: I'm a warrior. I'm not brave enough to go serve
Speaker 3: my country. But you know, I love to watch them
Speaker 3: when they're serving our country. And you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm not a hero. I'm not. I don't have that
Speaker 3: kind of bravery. But by disposition, I'm okay with a fight.
Speaker 3: I'm okay getting hit. People in my business. Sure, you
Speaker 3: want to shine, but you don't want you know, you don't.
Speaker 3: You don't you don't want the smoke. Okay, you don't
Speaker 3: want it to be about you. Why that's scary. Now,
Speaker 3: there's like a real judgment basis for me, it's not
Speaker 3: how good my organization is doing, you know, because everybody's
Speaker 3: rating is a derivative of the overall. But I was
Speaker 3: okay with that. I was like, all right, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: get my ass kicked. And most of the time I
Speaker 3: feel like I'm like this, you know, when they're coming
Speaker 3: at me, it's like, you know, it's like just take it.
Speaker 3: There's going to be like fifty of these. And then
Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, I still want to do the job.
Speaker 3: I still want to do that. I still believe in it.
Speaker 3: That's my role. That feeling that I believe.
Speaker 1: That is a rose because most people don't even know
Speaker 1: what they want and usually if you put it out there,
Speaker 1: the universe will hear you. And that sounds too spiritual,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying or whatever, power positive thinking, the secret,
Speaker 1: whatever it is. I know that if I want something,
Speaker 1: the craziest thing, it doesn't matter if it's superficial or not.
Speaker 1: It'll come if I really am intentional about wanting it.
Speaker 1: So you know what you want. You just don't know
Speaker 1: exactly what shape it takes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it doesn't matter to me as much, you know.
Speaker 3: And you know something I get heat from my friends.
Speaker 3: You know that. It's it's always so funny to me
Speaker 3: how I'm seen versus how I am when there's absolutely
Speaker 3: no artifice to me. I'm no different on TV than
Speaker 3: when I'm off TV. I just don't curse as much.
Speaker 3: But you know, I I take on a lot of
Speaker 3: positions and test positions that I actually agree with, and
Speaker 3: I'm okay with whatever makes somebody happy.
Speaker 1: Well, my rose is this interview of the day. You know,
Speaker 1: I want to I want I did this to have
Speaker 1: real conversations, like I wanted to do this not only
Speaker 1: with you, but overall because it's like therapy, it's learning.
Speaker 1: I wanted to hear your about your journey. I wanted
Speaker 1: to let you tell your story like whatever you know
Speaker 1: now then tomorrow, Like I just wanted to kind of
Speaker 1: massage it and hear it. And I'm really grateful that
Speaker 1: I went with my gut and like only a couple
Speaker 1: of interviews. Some interviews go like two and a half
Speaker 1: hours because they're like multi part but I'm so glad,
Speaker 1: like we got to talk because I think you're amazing
Speaker 1: and interesting And it takes courage what's going on now?
Speaker 1: And it takes courage to like admit, you know, oh,
Speaker 1: what did you fuck anything up?
Speaker 2: What do you?
Speaker 1: What'd you fuck up? Sorry? Last question? But what what'd
Speaker 1: you fuck up?
Speaker 3: Everything? Everything? I fucked up my platform, my brand, my goals.
Speaker 1: No, but how what what? What mistake did you make?
Speaker 1: You had to make a mistake?
Speaker 3: I mean I was so so many.
Speaker 1: For someone else's takeaway at their job, like what you know,
Speaker 1: pigs get fought, fat hogs get slaughtered. You overplayed your hand.
Speaker 1: You thought you thought your bosses were your best friends.
Speaker 1: Like what's the takeaway?
Speaker 3: Ah, the takeaway is that I gave in to external judgment.
Speaker 3: Ultimately that because I wouldn't do anything differently. I wasn't
Speaker 3: gonna not help my brother. I offered to resign more
Speaker 3: than once, and I was told, you don't have to,
Speaker 3: it's okay, and they'll say things came out. What the
Speaker 3: fuck came out? I never contacted any media to help
Speaker 3: my brother by doing him a favor. And the reason
Speaker 3: you know that is you don't think they'd raised their
Speaker 3: hand and say he called first thing. Would I never
Speaker 3: went after any accusers. You don't have to believe me.
Speaker 3: Listen to the people who did, and they'll tell you
Speaker 3: how useless I was in their process. And so you know,
Speaker 3: to me, you.
Speaker 1: Didn't go with your gut. You should have resigned. You
Speaker 1: kept offering it it but but the money had to
Speaker 1: be really good. The ratings were really good. Like what
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: If I had taken a leave to help my brother,
Speaker 3: how do I know they would have let me back in?
Speaker 3: And they would all, he can't come back in now,
Speaker 3: not after he helped his brothers. Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: So you really don't know. You don't know what you
Speaker 1: could have done differently.
Speaker 3: This is the this is the transferable wisdom, the you know,
Speaker 3: the old Shakespeare of to thine own self be true?
Speaker 3: You can judge yourself very harshly. I'm not telling you
Speaker 3: not to. I certainly do. Every external judgment is a
Speaker 3: mistake for you. Your own reasoned choice of what is
Speaker 3: right and wrong and good and bad, as long as
Speaker 3: you're not delusional, is the only thing.
Speaker 1: Totally no regrets.
Speaker 3: I made a mistake there. I didn't. I didn't think
Speaker 3: about the external judgment. I didn't. I didn't weigh it.
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't calculate it, and then I gave
Speaker 3: it too much importance and I allowed it to change
Speaker 3: me for a time, and I learned. But I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, it's not like I make shoes, you know.
Speaker 3: Being in the media, you sign up to have people
Speaker 3: judge your worth, that is, and some people will say
Speaker 3: you're amazing and you're not, and some people will stuck
Speaker 3: and you don't. It is artificial in my world, this dynamic,
Speaker 3: and I'm aware of that, and I have recalibrated it.
Speaker 3: And the choices that I make and how I do
Speaker 3: the show and how I live my life and how
Speaker 3: I've stopped allowing things to antagonize me mostly has changed.
Speaker 3: And I have a much I have a much tighter
Speaker 3: window of care, like even when things are really.
Speaker 1: I see that, I see that. I see that. I
Speaker 1: like the age too, same same thing, like you really
Speaker 1: just want to do what you want to do and
Speaker 1: what you know is right, and you really don't suffer fools.
Speaker 1: It's very different, you know.
Speaker 3: It's like, Yeah, I was talking with this guy who
Speaker 3: were like going back and forth. He was being the
Speaker 3: media lies, look at your audience in the eye and
Speaker 3: tell him that I do them all the time. I
Speaker 3: was bullshit historyonics and at one point he was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: and you know this is what you did. You crossed
Speaker 3: the line, covered for your brother. And I said, of
Speaker 3: course I was there for my brother. Of course I did.
Speaker 3: And all this media comes out with headlines Fomo admits
Speaker 3: that he covered for brother. That was so disingenuous. They
Speaker 3: all know that they're twisting the content that game and
Speaker 3: I signed up for step for this.
Speaker 1: Well, you saw the rose and the thorn of that game.
Speaker 1: That's for fucking sure.
Speaker 3: And it was a good reminder. It will ever change
Speaker 3: for me. Nobody's going to take news Nations up over
Speaker 3: one hundred percent since I joined. They're not gonna tell
Speaker 3: you why, because they don't give a shit about helping me.
Speaker 3: Because a lot of them don't think I should be
Speaker 3: in it. A lot of them don't like that I'm
Speaker 3: I'm doing well, you know, whatever it is, but you
Speaker 3: just build it in. The lesson for people is external
Speaker 3: judgment is to be mitigated. It is to be minimized.
Speaker 3: Even one's loving you up, you're so good at this,
Speaker 3: or when your kid, I love you, mommy, I love you, daddy.
Speaker 1: Ellen told me that don't believe the love, don't believe the hey,
Speaker 1: stay right in them. Yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 3: And just look, you know, you know, whether what you
Speaker 3: did for them was so extraordinary, Oh, whether or not
Speaker 3: your performance in this thing is something that you're proud
Speaker 3: of now and that don't be me category on my podcast.
Speaker 3: So much of what I'm saying is one I'm no guru.
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you what I know and what I
Speaker 3: usually fuck up on. So don't be like me. Is
Speaker 3: be nice to yourself, forgive yourself your mistakes. Life is
Speaker 3: going to be the one that kicks your ass. Don't
Speaker 3: help I love that this well, but look, helln't you
Speaker 3: doing your podcast. It's kind of part of this process
Speaker 3: for me because my inclination is I don't I don't
Speaker 3: even want to deal with it. I don't want to
Speaker 3: deal with it. I don't I don't want the upside,
Speaker 3: you know, she school, you know, congratulations, podcasts is awesome.
Speaker 3: I don't want it. She shouldn't be talking to me.
Speaker 3: I don't want to deal with what's gonna happen. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go downstairs and I'm gonna try and get rid
Speaker 3: of the chipmunks, you know, I you know, that's where
Speaker 3: my head takes me. But instead, you know, also it's helpful.
Speaker 3: I know, I'm gonna see if it's helpful for people
Speaker 3: to kind of make sense of their own situation. Yep,
Speaker 3: fucking amazing. That's all that's all about.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Chris, so good talking to you. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to see you in the Hamptons.
Speaker 3: Whenever you want. I'm thankful for the opportunity and I
Speaker 3: need to we'll get with it this season because if
Speaker 3: you think about it, when's the last time that anybody
Speaker 3: has been talking about being thankful for anything? All we
Speaker 3: do is shit about what's happened was worse, and this
Speaker 3: is that. Yeah, this is a good opportunity to remember.
Speaker 3: You know, we don't always have to nobody's gonna get
Speaker 3: together on Thursday and say goods. Do the airing of
Speaker 3: grievances like it was Festivus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm thankful for this conversation and i'd like
Speaker 1: opened my mind and it was a good it was great.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. So I'm thankful for this.
Speaker 3: Whatever I can do for you, I'm always a call
Speaker 3: away and thank you for the opportunity.
Speaker 1: Likewise, love to your family, I'll talk to you later.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you,