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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: So what's your rose and your thorn? Of your career?

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Speaker 1: What'd you fuck up? Sorry? Last question? But what what'd

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Speaker 1: No, but how what what? What mistake did you make?

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Speaker 3: just build it in. The lesson for people is external

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Speaker 3: Even one's loving you up, you're so good at this,

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Speaker 3: And just look, you know, you know, whether what you

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Speaker 3: of now and that don't be me category on my podcast.

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Speaker 3: So much of what I'm saying is one I'm no guru.

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Speaker 3: usually fuck up on. So don't be like me. Is

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Speaker 3: be nice to yourself, forgive yourself your mistakes. Life is

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Speaker 3: going to be the one that kicks your ass. Don't

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Speaker 3: help I love that this well, but look, helln't you

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Speaker 3: doing your podcast. It's kind of part of this process

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Speaker 3: for me because my inclination is I don't I don't

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Speaker 3: deal with it. I don't I don't want the upside,

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Speaker 3: you know, she school, you know, congratulations, podcasts is awesome.

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Speaker 3: I don't want it. She shouldn't be talking to me.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to deal with what's gonna happen. I'm

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Chris, so good talking to you. I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to see you in the Hamptons.

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Speaker 3: Whenever you want. I'm thankful for the opportunity and I

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Speaker 3: is that. Yeah, this is a good opportunity to remember.

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Speaker 3: You know, we don't always have to nobody's gonna get

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm thankful for this conversation and i'd like

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Speaker 1: opened my mind and it was a good it was great.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. So I'm thankful for this.

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Speaker 3: Whatever I can do for you, I'm always a call

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Speaker 3: away and thank you for the opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Likewise, love to your family, I'll talk to you later.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you,