1 00:00:07,186 --> 00:00:09,666 Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Schreger as a production of the 2 00:00:09,786 --> 00:00:23,986 Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's up, everybody, It's the 3 00:00:24,106 --> 00:00:29,586 Speaker 1: Season with Peter Schreger. I'm Peter Schreger. So fired up 4 00:00:29,586 --> 00:00:32,546 Speaker 1: to be with you again this week with another podcast episode. 5 00:00:32,666 --> 00:00:37,346 Speaker 1: Last week we had on Paul Rudd, the comedian, the actor, 6 00:00:37,386 --> 00:00:40,826 Speaker 1: the Chiefs fan, and the response has been awesome. I'm 7 00:00:40,866 --> 00:00:45,706 Speaker 1: joined here by my guy, Aaron. Aaron as our producer 8 00:00:45,746 --> 00:00:48,026 Speaker 1: extraordinaire who was here for the Rudd podcast. What what 9 00:00:48,466 --> 00:00:50,706 Speaker 1: was your favorite moment and what has been the takeaway 10 00:00:50,786 --> 00:00:53,106 Speaker 1: since we've had him on last week and gave us 11 00:00:53,146 --> 00:00:57,346 Speaker 1: ninety minutes of his time. I loved it. He was incredible, 12 00:00:57,506 --> 00:01:00,746 Speaker 1: not only like on talking about the other celebs that 13 00:01:00,786 --> 00:01:03,826 Speaker 1: you called out, I mean I loved the fact that 14 00:01:04,146 --> 00:01:06,346 Speaker 1: um talking about the Broadway show he did and he's like, 15 00:01:06,426 --> 00:01:07,946 Speaker 1: oh yeah, and then just the other guy who was 16 00:01:07,986 --> 00:01:10,506 Speaker 1: in the show with me, you know, Bradley Cooper. It 17 00:01:10,586 --> 00:01:13,506 Speaker 1: was just like he was so good. And then he 18 00:01:13,586 --> 00:01:16,506 Speaker 1: had so many great stories about the Chiefs players that 19 00:01:16,546 --> 00:01:20,106 Speaker 1: he knew too, and like hearing about his interactions with 20 00:01:20,186 --> 00:01:23,066 Speaker 1: Mahomes parents and with Kelsey. I mean it was. He 21 00:01:23,146 --> 00:01:25,546 Speaker 1: was great, good dude too, And I think that's the 22 00:01:25,586 --> 00:01:28,706 Speaker 1: goldest podcast. Let's get to know these people, not just 23 00:01:29,026 --> 00:01:31,866 Speaker 1: you know, let's promote your latest, you know, television show whatever. 24 00:01:31,946 --> 00:01:34,466 Speaker 1: That's it. The new ant Man trailer came out, Guys. 25 00:01:34,466 --> 00:01:37,626 Speaker 1: I'll be honest. I'm not a huge Marvel Universe or 26 00:01:37,706 --> 00:01:39,866 Speaker 1: DC Comics guy, but the new ant Man trailer had 27 00:01:39,866 --> 00:01:43,346 Speaker 1: a little Elton John Goodbye yellow Brick road in the background. 28 00:01:43,426 --> 00:01:45,266 Speaker 1: And I don't know, Aaron, did you see it yet? 29 00:01:45,266 --> 00:01:47,306 Speaker 1: Did see the ant Man trailer? I did. I saw 30 00:01:47,346 --> 00:01:50,346 Speaker 1: it twice yesterday. Yeah. Bill Murray's in it, like just 31 00:01:50,506 --> 00:01:54,466 Speaker 1: a quick shot at him, quick shot easter egg. Yeah. Yeah. 32 00:01:54,946 --> 00:01:57,986 Speaker 1: I had a crazy weekend. I fly out to LA 33 00:01:58,226 --> 00:02:00,746 Speaker 1: from New York every single week and I filmed for 34 00:02:00,786 --> 00:02:03,226 Speaker 1: Fox on the Fox NFL kickoff show. And I usually 35 00:02:03,226 --> 00:02:06,626 Speaker 1: fly in on a Saturday morning, have a quiet Saturday 36 00:02:06,666 --> 00:02:08,826 Speaker 1: doing work, and then Sunday I do the Fox pregame 37 00:02:08,866 --> 00:02:10,666 Speaker 1: show when I fly back to New York and watch 38 00:02:10,746 --> 00:02:13,866 Speaker 1: the games on a plane. Saturday was the Rams bye 39 00:02:13,906 --> 00:02:16,706 Speaker 1: week and I was texting with their coach, Sean McVeigh, 40 00:02:16,786 --> 00:02:17,946 Speaker 1: and he was like, why don't you come by the 41 00:02:17,946 --> 00:02:20,306 Speaker 1: house and let's just watch college football and hang on Saturday. 42 00:02:20,306 --> 00:02:24,466 Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, gotta do it. Awesome, awesome Saturday. 43 00:02:24,546 --> 00:02:26,586 Speaker 1: But I think what you'd find most interesting is that, 44 00:02:26,706 --> 00:02:29,946 Speaker 1: like how little he wanted to talk football, how little 45 00:02:30,026 --> 00:02:32,146 Speaker 1: he wanted to get into the Rams woes, how little 46 00:02:32,146 --> 00:02:34,306 Speaker 1: he wanted to fixate on next week's opponent, the forty 47 00:02:34,386 --> 00:02:36,226 Speaker 1: nine ers, how little he wanted to get into the 48 00:02:36,306 --> 00:02:38,146 Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey trade, which, by the way, I think the 49 00:02:38,226 --> 00:02:41,226 Speaker 1: Rams were a lot closer than the rest of us 50 00:02:41,306 --> 00:02:45,386 Speaker 1: were giving off on TV on Friday and Saturday. But 51 00:02:46,146 --> 00:02:49,026 Speaker 1: for your love, Aaron of just entertainment all things. So, 52 00:02:49,106 --> 00:02:51,906 Speaker 1: like we're a couple hours into hanging a couple drinks 53 00:02:52,306 --> 00:02:54,826 Speaker 1: and his wife, Veronica is amazing, and she comes by 54 00:02:54,866 --> 00:02:56,466 Speaker 1: and she's like, do you guys want to watch like 55 00:02:56,506 --> 00:03:00,026 Speaker 1: a show like I got the Yankee game on, We've 56 00:03:00,066 --> 00:03:03,306 Speaker 1: got Oklahoma State Texas And I'm like yeah, And they're like, well, 57 00:03:03,826 --> 00:03:06,746 Speaker 1: what show do you want to watch? And McVeigh is like, nothing, 58 00:03:07,226 --> 00:03:09,786 Speaker 1: you know, no more you know, serial killer, mass murder 59 00:03:09,826 --> 00:03:11,906 Speaker 1: or true crime. I'm not looking for that. What I 60 00:03:11,986 --> 00:03:13,826 Speaker 1: was like, well, I've got a murder show, but it's 61 00:03:13,866 --> 00:03:16,266 Speaker 1: more like comedy than murder. So he had never seen 62 00:03:16,306 --> 00:03:19,226 Speaker 1: White Lotus. She had never seen White Lotus. Que up 63 00:03:19,226 --> 00:03:21,066 Speaker 1: White Lotus if you want to ask what a wild 64 00:03:21,186 --> 00:03:24,106 Speaker 1: night in LA with the hottest couple in the city is, like, 65 00:03:24,426 --> 00:03:28,906 Speaker 1: we watched four hours worth of White Lotus, just just 66 00:03:28,906 --> 00:03:32,946 Speaker 1: just armand the the hotel manager just crushing it. Um. 67 00:03:34,466 --> 00:03:36,426 Speaker 1: It was awesome and it basically it was like nine 68 00:03:36,426 --> 00:03:39,186 Speaker 1: o'clock midnight Eastern. I'm like, all right, I gotta I 69 00:03:39,226 --> 00:03:41,226 Speaker 1: gotta go home, got an uber home, and you know, 70 00:03:41,346 --> 00:03:43,506 Speaker 1: the next day I'm on show. Then everyone's asked me, 71 00:03:43,546 --> 00:03:45,026 Speaker 1: what was it like hanging with Nick Bay? Where'd you go? 72 00:03:45,066 --> 00:03:50,306 Speaker 1: Would the TMZ We watched an HBO Prestige TV show 73 00:03:50,346 --> 00:03:52,346 Speaker 1: from a year ago. We just watched four hours of it, 74 00:03:52,466 --> 00:03:55,026 Speaker 1: like cuddling like a family. You binged four hours of 75 00:03:55,026 --> 00:03:57,146 Speaker 1: White Lotus. Did you skip the intro or did you 76 00:03:57,186 --> 00:04:01,266 Speaker 1: watch the intro every time? Well, skip the intro. He's 77 00:04:01,266 --> 00:04:04,626 Speaker 1: on the controls. Theme song is great and you get 78 00:04:04,666 --> 00:04:06,906 Speaker 1: the music and the visuals. But I'm talking about the 79 00:04:06,946 --> 00:04:10,186 Speaker 1: scenes from last week. And McVeigh is the kind of 80 00:04:10,186 --> 00:04:12,146 Speaker 1: guy who will never give up play calling. It's the 81 00:04:12,226 --> 00:04:13,546 Speaker 1: kind of guy that says, I'm going to take a 82 00:04:13,546 --> 00:04:15,586 Speaker 1: back seat, Like it's funny watching a TV show with 83 00:04:15,626 --> 00:04:17,706 Speaker 1: that guy because he's got to control the remote and 84 00:04:17,946 --> 00:04:19,746 Speaker 1: you know, he's got the whole hook up with his 85 00:04:19,906 --> 00:04:22,466 Speaker 1: around sound all this stuff. But I'll say this from 86 00:04:22,506 --> 00:04:25,466 Speaker 1: a football standpoint, like it's not as much dooming gloom 87 00:04:25,466 --> 00:04:26,906 Speaker 1: as I imagine. I thought I was gonna be going 88 00:04:26,906 --> 00:04:29,386 Speaker 1: over there, and I've known Sean for many years, and 89 00:04:30,346 --> 00:04:32,506 Speaker 1: I think he would say it. We're very close friends 90 00:04:32,506 --> 00:04:33,946 Speaker 1: and we talk a lot. But I thought I was 91 00:04:33,986 --> 00:04:35,586 Speaker 1: coming in and part of my hat was gonna be 92 00:04:35,626 --> 00:04:38,106 Speaker 1: like lifting him up and just telling him, you know, 93 00:04:38,106 --> 00:04:39,946 Speaker 1: you're three and three and look at the Niners. They're 94 00:04:39,986 --> 00:04:41,786 Speaker 1: three and three and you could beat the Seahawks and 95 00:04:41,826 --> 00:04:43,826 Speaker 1: all that stuff. And you know, whether I believe it 96 00:04:43,906 --> 00:04:46,586 Speaker 1: or not, playing that role, he wasn't looking for that. 97 00:04:46,666 --> 00:04:48,106 Speaker 1: He was in a good place, and I think he 98 00:04:48,146 --> 00:04:50,146 Speaker 1: knows there's eleven games left in the regular season and 99 00:04:50,186 --> 00:04:52,026 Speaker 1: a lot of this story has not been written. So 100 00:04:52,546 --> 00:04:55,026 Speaker 1: last year's rise was great and the wind was amazing 101 00:04:55,146 --> 00:04:57,026 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, but like, if they can pull 102 00:04:57,106 --> 00:04:59,466 Speaker 1: something out of what they are right now, that might 103 00:04:59,506 --> 00:05:01,506 Speaker 1: be an even greater coaching job from him, and I'm 104 00:05:01,506 --> 00:05:03,466 Speaker 1: not certain he can. I think the stack and the 105 00:05:03,506 --> 00:05:05,146 Speaker 1: chips are stacked against him in a lot of ways. 106 00:05:05,186 --> 00:05:08,386 Speaker 1: But gosh, and when you look at the NFC, Buccaneers 107 00:05:08,386 --> 00:05:13,026 Speaker 1: lose to the Panthers, the Packers lose to the Washington Commanders. 108 00:05:13,346 --> 00:05:15,986 Speaker 1: You've got the teams that everyone thought would be good, 109 00:05:15,986 --> 00:05:19,386 Speaker 1: the Niners at three and four, you know, besides the 110 00:05:19,426 --> 00:05:21,826 Speaker 1: Eagles at six and oh and maybe the Cowboys. Like 111 00:05:21,906 --> 00:05:23,586 Speaker 1: none of the teams that were written to be great 112 00:05:23,626 --> 00:05:25,666 Speaker 1: before the season have done anything. The Vikings are five 113 00:05:25,706 --> 00:05:27,986 Speaker 1: and one, and I don't even know what that team is. 114 00:05:28,026 --> 00:05:30,506 Speaker 1: So I think the Rams are still very much alive, 115 00:05:30,546 --> 00:05:32,706 Speaker 1: and I'll pick him against most of the coaches in 116 00:05:32,706 --> 00:05:34,866 Speaker 1: this league in a big spot. All right, Aaron, you're 117 00:05:34,826 --> 00:05:38,066 Speaker 1: ready for four downs? I am, all right, Let's go 118 00:05:38,226 --> 00:05:42,026 Speaker 1: fire away first down. Speaking of the NFC, who deserves 119 00:05:42,026 --> 00:05:44,626 Speaker 1: the most credit for what Seattle is doing right now? 120 00:05:45,386 --> 00:05:48,386 Speaker 1: Seattle is the best story in football if you ask me. 121 00:05:48,426 --> 00:05:50,066 Speaker 1: I know, we're in New York and Giants and Jets 122 00:05:50,066 --> 00:05:53,106 Speaker 1: are getting a lot of love, but no one, no 123 00:05:53,186 --> 00:05:56,466 Speaker 1: one had the Seahawks doing anything this year. Remember they 124 00:05:56,506 --> 00:05:59,426 Speaker 1: traded Russell Wilson in a fourth round pick and got 125 00:05:59,426 --> 00:06:05,066 Speaker 1: back Drew Locke, Shelby Harris Noah Fense twenty two first 126 00:06:05,146 --> 00:06:07,746 Speaker 1: round pick, which ended up being their star tackle, Charles Cross, 127 00:06:07,746 --> 00:06:10,906 Speaker 1: a twenty twenty two second round pick. They also got 128 00:06:10,906 --> 00:06:14,506 Speaker 1: a twenty twenty two fifth round pick. They also got 129 00:06:14,746 --> 00:06:17,306 Speaker 1: next year's first round pick. They also got next year's 130 00:06:17,306 --> 00:06:19,146 Speaker 1: second round pick. And what they end up doing they 131 00:06:19,226 --> 00:06:21,426 Speaker 1: hit home runs at every spot. I'm going to give 132 00:06:21,546 --> 00:06:26,146 Speaker 1: John Schneider, the longtime general manager, some credit here. As 133 00:06:26,226 --> 00:06:28,186 Speaker 1: much as we want to talk up Gino and we will, 134 00:06:29,186 --> 00:06:31,546 Speaker 1: Schneider looked at this thing. He had a nine man 135 00:06:31,626 --> 00:06:34,186 Speaker 1: draft class. He gets Terek Woolen one hundred and fifty 136 00:06:34,186 --> 00:06:36,186 Speaker 1: third over all, the guys todd to the league, league 137 00:06:36,186 --> 00:06:39,146 Speaker 1: and interceptions. He gets Kobe Bryant, Yes that's his name, 138 00:06:39,266 --> 00:06:43,786 Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant, who lined up across from Sauce Gardner at Cincinnati. 139 00:06:43,826 --> 00:06:45,946 Speaker 1: He's a starting corner, had a pick last week against 140 00:06:45,946 --> 00:06:49,346 Speaker 1: the Chargers. He gets two starting offensive tackles and Charles 141 00:06:49,386 --> 00:06:52,346 Speaker 1: Cross and Abraham Lucas. And then he gets Kenneth Walker, 142 00:06:52,386 --> 00:06:55,186 Speaker 1: who is the sensation of the league. Ran for about 143 00:06:55,186 --> 00:06:56,986 Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy three yards and put the game 144 00:06:56,986 --> 00:06:59,946 Speaker 1: on ice. With that touchdown against the Chargers, I think 145 00:07:00,506 --> 00:07:02,706 Speaker 1: the Seahawks front office deserves a lot of credit. And 146 00:07:02,746 --> 00:07:05,426 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll two, I mean Pete Carroll. He could have 147 00:07:05,466 --> 00:07:07,506 Speaker 1: easily packed it in to the Russell Wilson era. I've 148 00:07:07,546 --> 00:07:08,946 Speaker 1: been like, all right, I'm not here for the rebuild. 149 00:07:09,026 --> 00:07:11,066 Speaker 1: There hasn't been much of a rebuild. They're four and three, 150 00:07:11,066 --> 00:07:13,706 Speaker 1: they're in first place in the division. And John Schneider, 151 00:07:13,746 --> 00:07:16,906 Speaker 1: who was quiet throughout this entire thing, did not pile 152 00:07:16,986 --> 00:07:20,226 Speaker 1: any dirt on Russell Wilson. This guy released Bobby Wagner 153 00:07:20,266 --> 00:07:21,866 Speaker 1: and people went nuts and kind of was like, yeah, 154 00:07:21,906 --> 00:07:23,466 Speaker 1: Bobby's been a great pro, but it's been time to 155 00:07:23,506 --> 00:07:27,666 Speaker 1: move on. They replenished this roster so quickly with young talent, 156 00:07:27,706 --> 00:07:30,066 Speaker 1: and they're all performing. And they're four and three. We 157 00:07:30,106 --> 00:07:32,866 Speaker 1: are in Week eight in the Seattle Seahawks, but Geno 158 00:07:32,986 --> 00:07:36,906 Speaker 1: Smith and a bunch of rookies, five of them making 159 00:07:37,626 --> 00:07:41,346 Speaker 1: starting appearances on Sunday. Those rookies, they are in first 160 00:07:41,346 --> 00:07:43,266 Speaker 1: place in the NFC West and if the playoffs were 161 00:07:43,266 --> 00:07:45,706 Speaker 1: to start today, they would be hosting a playoff game. 162 00:07:46,026 --> 00:07:49,466 Speaker 1: Absolutely incredible. John Schneider, one of the great talent of 163 00:07:49,706 --> 00:07:52,066 Speaker 1: talent evaluators, but in this case, I think he des 164 00:07:52,066 --> 00:07:53,386 Speaker 1: there's a lot of credit, even though he's not one 165 00:07:53,386 --> 00:07:56,026 Speaker 1: who's going to run in front of a microphone all right, 166 00:07:56,386 --> 00:07:58,746 Speaker 1: from a good vibe to maybe not as good of 167 00:07:58,826 --> 00:08:02,146 Speaker 1: a vibe. Second down, What do you make of Kyler 168 00:08:02,186 --> 00:08:07,506 Speaker 1: and Cliff on the sideline yelling at each other right 169 00:08:07,506 --> 00:08:10,546 Speaker 1: there on National TV? Fascinated by it? I think Cliff 170 00:08:10,626 --> 00:08:12,026 Speaker 1: took the high road in a lot of ways. But 171 00:08:12,066 --> 00:08:14,106 Speaker 1: there was a little line there in the press conference 172 00:08:14,146 --> 00:08:17,106 Speaker 1: afterwards where he said like it's very gen Z and 173 00:08:17,186 --> 00:08:21,186 Speaker 1: I'm like, daw we go, here we go. There's something there, 174 00:08:22,426 --> 00:08:27,026 Speaker 1: gen Z. I mean Kyler, from what I gather, obviously, 175 00:08:27,146 --> 00:08:29,666 Speaker 1: was hearing Cliff in the headset and was yelling Adam, 176 00:08:29,746 --> 00:08:31,986 Speaker 1: you know, f and calm down and calm down. And 177 00:08:32,146 --> 00:08:33,786 Speaker 1: it's one thing to do that in a practice. It's 178 00:08:33,826 --> 00:08:35,706 Speaker 1: another thing to do that in the locker room. It's 179 00:08:35,706 --> 00:08:37,946 Speaker 1: another thing on Thursday Night football with the entire nation 180 00:08:37,986 --> 00:08:40,666 Speaker 1: watching to be screaming at your head coach dropping fbombs. 181 00:08:41,426 --> 00:08:45,106 Speaker 1: Here is what I will say. NFL Films has been 182 00:08:45,106 --> 00:08:48,746 Speaker 1: filming hard Knocks in season with the Arizona Cardinals the 183 00:08:48,946 --> 00:08:53,946 Speaker 1: entire season. It premiers November eighth. I am fascinated to 184 00:08:53,986 --> 00:08:58,226 Speaker 1: see what they captured and what they show us. The 185 00:08:58,306 --> 00:09:00,386 Speaker 1: cutting room floor stuff could be even more interesting because 186 00:09:00,386 --> 00:09:02,666 Speaker 1: I think Cliff and Kyler, as much as Cliff drafted 187 00:09:02,746 --> 00:09:05,666 Speaker 1: Kyler and as much as Kyler you know, has known 188 00:09:05,666 --> 00:09:08,666 Speaker 1: Cliff since since Cliff recruited him out of high school, 189 00:09:09,226 --> 00:09:12,546 Speaker 1: I think that thing is not in a good place. 190 00:09:12,706 --> 00:09:14,706 Speaker 1: And I think Kyler, in a lot of ways, people 191 00:09:15,066 --> 00:09:17,826 Speaker 1: enjoyed seeing him show a little emotion, little fire. It's 192 00:09:17,866 --> 00:09:19,706 Speaker 1: okay to curse once in a while. It's okay to 193 00:09:19,706 --> 00:09:21,386 Speaker 1: tell your coach off. It's the heat of the moment. 194 00:09:21,426 --> 00:09:22,986 Speaker 1: As long as you guys patch it up and it's 195 00:09:22,986 --> 00:09:25,746 Speaker 1: like there's a mutual respect. I'd love to know what's 196 00:09:25,746 --> 00:09:29,106 Speaker 1: going on in that building from Monday to Saturday, and 197 00:09:29,186 --> 00:09:31,626 Speaker 1: not just on the Sundays. And I think Hard Knocks 198 00:09:31,626 --> 00:09:34,146 Speaker 1: the NFL producers, what are we doing if we're not 199 00:09:34,186 --> 00:09:37,146 Speaker 1: capturing at all and showing us the real uncut stuff. 200 00:09:37,386 --> 00:09:39,586 Speaker 1: This can't be a puff piece on the Arizona Cardinals. 201 00:09:39,626 --> 00:09:42,306 Speaker 1: It's very rare that we get hard knocks, and it's hey, 202 00:09:42,346 --> 00:09:44,106 Speaker 1: here are all the warts and here are all the wounds. 203 00:09:44,706 --> 00:09:47,066 Speaker 1: I would imagine that the team has some approval process 204 00:09:47,066 --> 00:09:48,746 Speaker 1: in the editorial, but like, gosh, when you get a 205 00:09:48,786 --> 00:09:52,906 Speaker 1: moment like that, penny for your thoughts. But like I 206 00:09:52,946 --> 00:09:56,106 Speaker 1: would love love to see everything that went into that 207 00:09:56,826 --> 00:10:00,546 Speaker 1: dust up, but also the fallout afterwards. Cliff and Kyler 208 00:10:00,626 --> 00:10:02,706 Speaker 1: probably not in a great place right now, and as 209 00:10:02,706 --> 00:10:03,986 Speaker 1: we talk about it right in the thick of the 210 00:10:04,106 --> 00:10:09,426 Speaker 1: NFC all right down, can you just explain to me 211 00:10:09,506 --> 00:10:12,106 Speaker 1: what the call was at the end of the Browns game. Yeah. 212 00:10:12,266 --> 00:10:15,146 Speaker 1: I can't explain it without going to my sources. So 213 00:10:15,146 --> 00:10:17,706 Speaker 1: obviously I work with a lot of people in the 214 00:10:17,786 --> 00:10:20,746 Speaker 1: league at the league office, I work with my Prayer 215 00:10:20,866 --> 00:10:24,306 Speaker 1: and Dean Blandino who work at Fox. I reached out 216 00:10:24,346 --> 00:10:26,746 Speaker 1: to a few folks and I will say this, I'm 217 00:10:26,746 --> 00:10:28,106 Speaker 1: not going to name the source on this, and it's 218 00:10:28,146 --> 00:10:31,346 Speaker 1: none of those guys who explained it. And he said, 219 00:10:31,386 --> 00:10:35,146 Speaker 1: here's the deal. There actually were two false starts by 220 00:10:35,186 --> 00:10:39,546 Speaker 1: the offense on that play. The center dropped his head 221 00:10:39,866 --> 00:10:42,946 Speaker 1: and moved the ball at the same time, and that 222 00:10:43,146 --> 00:10:46,186 Speaker 1: caused the defensive reaction where you saw Klais Campbell come 223 00:10:46,226 --> 00:10:50,906 Speaker 1: on in. But also the left tight end moved before 224 00:10:51,026 --> 00:10:53,866 Speaker 1: any of the other offensive players, and you can't do that. 225 00:10:53,906 --> 00:10:56,146 Speaker 1: And this is where it gets really in the weeds 226 00:10:56,186 --> 00:10:57,906 Speaker 1: with the rule book and at home, like none of 227 00:10:57,986 --> 00:11:01,826 Speaker 1: us know this. That left tight end is not protected 228 00:11:01,906 --> 00:11:04,466 Speaker 1: since he has more than two and a half positions 229 00:11:04,546 --> 00:11:07,026 Speaker 1: from the point where the defense and did the neutral 230 00:11:07,106 --> 00:11:10,026 Speaker 1: zone all right, So if Klais Campbell enters that thing 231 00:11:10,266 --> 00:11:13,866 Speaker 1: two and a half positions away, that guy, that left 232 00:11:13,906 --> 00:11:17,506 Speaker 1: tight end is still susceptible to being a penalty. So 233 00:11:17,546 --> 00:11:20,866 Speaker 1: the center lifted his head false start the left tight end, 234 00:11:21,706 --> 00:11:25,186 Speaker 1: he moved false start. Unfortunately, the refs in the field, 235 00:11:25,226 --> 00:11:28,426 Speaker 1: they announced that sixty eight, the left guard, was at fault. 236 00:11:28,666 --> 00:11:31,946 Speaker 1: He didn't move at all. So it's very hard to 237 00:11:31,946 --> 00:11:33,626 Speaker 1: a fact. At Brown's fans are like, the league is 238 00:11:33,666 --> 00:11:37,386 Speaker 1: screwing us, the league hates us. Spoke to someone who knows, 239 00:11:37,466 --> 00:11:39,786 Speaker 1: and this guy who's looked at it time and time again, 240 00:11:40,106 --> 00:11:43,586 Speaker 1: was telling me, here's the deal. Two different false starts, 241 00:11:43,906 --> 00:11:46,026 Speaker 1: one by the center, one by the left tight end. 242 00:11:46,066 --> 00:11:49,306 Speaker 1: They just identified the wrong guy on the broadcast, and 243 00:11:49,426 --> 00:11:52,306 Speaker 1: sixty eight did nothing wrong. He didn't move. He was 244 00:11:52,346 --> 00:11:56,946 Speaker 1: fine as for picking up a flag on the Jacoby 245 00:11:57,026 --> 00:12:00,466 Speaker 1: Brissette roughing the passer something I've never seen before, roughing 246 00:12:00,466 --> 00:12:02,266 Speaker 1: the passer that could have changed the game. And then 247 00:12:02,306 --> 00:12:05,026 Speaker 1: they said ad actually was no flag. Yeah, I don't 248 00:12:05,066 --> 00:12:08,146 Speaker 1: know about that. One guy's all right, fourth down. Who 249 00:12:08,186 --> 00:12:09,266 Speaker 1: do you want to give a shout out to you 250 00:12:09,346 --> 00:12:11,346 Speaker 1: this week? I want to give a shout out to 251 00:12:11,386 --> 00:12:13,586 Speaker 1: my lovely wife, Erica. All right, this is not just 252 00:12:13,666 --> 00:12:16,346 Speaker 1: me trying to get brownie points. Let me explain my wife, 253 00:12:16,466 --> 00:12:19,826 Speaker 1: Erica's weekend. So, as I just mentioned, I fly out 254 00:12:19,866 --> 00:12:22,746 Speaker 1: to Los Angeles every weekend to work on the Fox 255 00:12:22,746 --> 00:12:24,906 Speaker 1: show I love it. It's with Sean Payton, it's with 256 00:12:24,986 --> 00:12:27,666 Speaker 1: Charissa Thompson, who's an absolute rock star. And it's with 257 00:12:27,706 --> 00:12:29,666 Speaker 1: Michael Vick and Charles Woodson, two guys who I had 258 00:12:29,666 --> 00:12:31,306 Speaker 1: their posters up when I was a kid. It's like 259 00:12:31,546 --> 00:12:34,546 Speaker 1: I'm living my dream. Meanwhile, I've got my wife back 260 00:12:34,586 --> 00:12:37,786 Speaker 1: home and she's a single mother on the weekends with 261 00:12:37,826 --> 00:12:40,266 Speaker 1: my son, mel who's now a rambunctious six year old 262 00:12:40,306 --> 00:12:42,866 Speaker 1: who has the curiosity like you've never seen, in the 263 00:12:42,986 --> 00:12:45,306 Speaker 1: energy I've never seen. And it's his birthday this weekend, 264 00:12:45,746 --> 00:12:47,946 Speaker 1: and all he wanted to do was see Lamar Jackson 265 00:12:48,026 --> 00:12:52,106 Speaker 1: play in person his first NFL game. I work for 266 00:12:52,106 --> 00:12:54,066 Speaker 1: the NFL. There is no way that my kid is 267 00:12:54,106 --> 00:12:57,146 Speaker 1: requesting seeing Lamar Jackson playing a game that we're not 268 00:12:57,186 --> 00:13:01,826 Speaker 1: making that happen. My wife traveled from New York City 269 00:13:02,466 --> 00:13:07,266 Speaker 1: to Baltimore, took my son to a Raven's Brown's game, 270 00:13:07,706 --> 00:13:10,946 Speaker 1: sat in the crowd with my guy, and my son 271 00:13:11,026 --> 00:13:14,186 Speaker 1: had the greatest birthday gift you could ever imagine. Shout 272 00:13:14,186 --> 00:13:16,786 Speaker 1: out to the Ravens staff, who I gave them a 273 00:13:16,786 --> 00:13:18,426 Speaker 1: little heads up. I didn't want any big to do. 274 00:13:18,466 --> 00:13:20,146 Speaker 1: I don't want to, but they came buying him a 275 00:13:20,186 --> 00:13:23,786 Speaker 1: pin that said my first game. I cannot tell you 276 00:13:23,906 --> 00:13:27,386 Speaker 1: how happy and how proud I was to see my 277 00:13:28,066 --> 00:13:30,346 Speaker 1: offspring be in love with the game of football. I 278 00:13:30,386 --> 00:13:31,946 Speaker 1: would I do this for a living and live and 279 00:13:31,986 --> 00:13:35,626 Speaker 1: die with it every single day. The Ravens obviously win. 280 00:13:35,946 --> 00:13:38,226 Speaker 1: My little guy mel had a blast. But it doesn't 281 00:13:38,226 --> 00:13:41,346 Speaker 1: happen if I don't have a partner in crime who's like, yeah, cool, 282 00:13:41,586 --> 00:13:43,266 Speaker 1: let's go to a football game on a Sunday, though 283 00:13:43,306 --> 00:13:45,586 Speaker 1: the first thing I want to do, especially in Baltimore, 284 00:13:45,666 --> 00:13:48,346 Speaker 1: Let's go. They got back yesterday and I think I 285 00:13:48,386 --> 00:13:50,386 Speaker 1: thanked her, but this is I say, I think, because 286 00:13:50,386 --> 00:13:52,746 Speaker 1: who knows. I probably was, you know, bitching about something else, 287 00:13:52,986 --> 00:13:55,386 Speaker 1: but I would like to thank her on this podcast, Aaron, 288 00:13:55,466 --> 00:13:57,826 Speaker 1: was that romantic? Was that nice? That went beautiful? Yeah? 289 00:13:57,866 --> 00:14:00,586 Speaker 1: I love that, and especially last week you and Paul 290 00:14:00,626 --> 00:14:04,146 Speaker 1: talks about Paul's first football game. Your sent will remember 291 00:14:04,186 --> 00:14:09,426 Speaker 1: this forever. That's that's great. Yeah, Daddy wasn't there? Okay, 292 00:14:07,826 --> 00:14:11,746 Speaker 1: Now do you have a shout out for me? Yeah? 293 00:14:12,346 --> 00:14:15,266 Speaker 1: So I was texting with some of my friends about football, 294 00:14:15,306 --> 00:14:18,506 Speaker 1: and one of them is a diehard Giants fan, and he, 295 00:14:18,786 --> 00:14:21,706 Speaker 1: you know, is texting me like pre written apology notes 296 00:14:21,746 --> 00:14:24,066 Speaker 1: to Daniel Jones, like if you fill in the blanks, 297 00:14:24,066 --> 00:14:26,226 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Daniel Jones. I made fun of you for this. 298 00:14:26,586 --> 00:14:28,946 Speaker 1: But I want to call out Daniel Jones because, like 299 00:14:29,026 --> 00:14:31,266 Speaker 1: he looks so much more comfortable in the pocket, and 300 00:14:32,026 --> 00:14:36,586 Speaker 1: right now, through seven weeks, he's got more rushing yards 301 00:14:36,666 --> 00:14:40,066 Speaker 1: and three times as many rushing touchdowns as Naji Harris. 302 00:14:40,106 --> 00:14:44,106 Speaker 1: Like he's a weapon. He's not someone that we necessarily 303 00:14:44,146 --> 00:14:47,386 Speaker 1: expected to grow this season, I think, and so I 304 00:14:47,426 --> 00:14:49,546 Speaker 1: think the Giants kind of did too, because they declined 305 00:14:49,626 --> 00:14:52,266 Speaker 1: his fifth year option. So I kind of wanted to 306 00:14:52,346 --> 00:14:55,586 Speaker 1: ask you, what are the Giants going to do next year? 307 00:14:57,066 --> 00:14:59,346 Speaker 1: Great question? Yeah, you could celebrate. Daniel Jones knew the 308 00:14:59,346 --> 00:15:02,466 Speaker 1: parade down Broadway and then all of a sudden, you know, 309 00:15:02,586 --> 00:15:04,466 Speaker 1: the eggs accept the hatch, and it's like, well, now 310 00:15:04,506 --> 00:15:05,906 Speaker 1: what do we do? Who? We didn't expect this. It's 311 00:15:05,906 --> 00:15:09,706 Speaker 1: been a great and he's been outstanding, playing within himself 312 00:15:09,706 --> 00:15:11,306 Speaker 1: and doing what he does best. I told the story 313 00:15:11,346 --> 00:15:13,866 Speaker 1: on Ryan Rusilo's podcast earlier this week. I'm gonna tell 314 00:15:13,866 --> 00:15:16,946 Speaker 1: it again here. A lot of times when coaches get 315 00:15:16,986 --> 00:15:19,506 Speaker 1: shown the door, coaches get fired or general managers get fired, 316 00:15:19,546 --> 00:15:22,346 Speaker 1: I'll shoot them a note and just say, hey, if 317 00:15:22,386 --> 00:15:24,586 Speaker 1: there's anything you ever could possibly need from me, And 318 00:15:24,666 --> 00:15:27,786 Speaker 1: usually it's nothing, but if it's a reference, if it's 319 00:15:27,866 --> 00:15:31,106 Speaker 1: a contact, like I'm here, whatever. So I shot Joe 320 00:15:31,186 --> 00:15:33,106 Speaker 1: Judge a note when he got fired by the Giants, 321 00:15:33,106 --> 00:15:35,226 Speaker 1: and it was a tumultuous week for him, and he 322 00:15:35,266 --> 00:15:37,146 Speaker 1: pretty quickly shot back and was like, let me give 323 00:15:37,146 --> 00:15:40,026 Speaker 1: you a call, and we spoke and Judge, who say 324 00:15:40,066 --> 00:15:42,186 Speaker 1: what you want about him? As at the end there 325 00:15:42,186 --> 00:15:43,906 Speaker 1: like this is a good dude. I have nothing but 326 00:15:43,986 --> 00:15:46,266 Speaker 1: good things to say about Joe Judge, and he could 327 00:15:46,266 --> 00:15:48,746 Speaker 1: have very easily buried Daniel Jones. Instead, he was like, hey, 328 00:15:48,786 --> 00:15:52,066 Speaker 1: one thing, you're on that show all offseason. You do 329 00:15:52,106 --> 00:15:56,946 Speaker 1: that Good Morning Football. Like Daniel Jones is tough as nails. 330 00:15:57,186 --> 00:15:59,946 Speaker 1: Make sure people know that Daniel Jones comes prepared to 331 00:15:59,946 --> 00:16:02,786 Speaker 1: work every day he takes a beating behind that offensive line. 332 00:16:03,066 --> 00:16:08,426 Speaker 1: And this guy never complains, always prepared, always the right demeanor, 333 00:16:09,106 --> 00:16:11,946 Speaker 1: never out of control, never calls anyone out, and doesn't 334 00:16:11,946 --> 00:16:14,106 Speaker 1: get too down either, like I'm not sure it's going 335 00:16:14,146 --> 00:16:15,586 Speaker 1: to work in New York. And this was, you know, 336 00:16:15,626 --> 00:16:17,466 Speaker 1: from Joe Judge. I think he wouldn't mind me saying this. 337 00:16:17,506 --> 00:16:19,946 Speaker 1: He's like, but that dude, that dude's the real deal. 338 00:16:19,946 --> 00:16:21,906 Speaker 1: And I remember being like, well, that's cool, because like 339 00:16:21,946 --> 00:16:24,426 Speaker 1: you could have easily buried your former quarterback and said 340 00:16:24,426 --> 00:16:26,906 Speaker 1: he wasn't good enough for us to win, but he didn't. 341 00:16:27,386 --> 00:16:30,466 Speaker 1: Fast forward to this year. If Daniel Jones gets injured, 342 00:16:30,546 --> 00:16:33,346 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones gets hit, Daniel Jones lowers his shoulder and 343 00:16:33,386 --> 00:16:35,306 Speaker 1: like he just gets up for another down. I have 344 00:16:35,386 --> 00:16:38,786 Speaker 1: so much respect for Daniel Jones. And now there's this question, 345 00:16:38,826 --> 00:16:41,746 Speaker 1: what do you do with him. Here's what the options are. 346 00:16:42,466 --> 00:16:46,026 Speaker 1: You can let Daniel Jones walk test free agency, twenty 347 00:16:46,106 --> 00:16:48,706 Speaker 1: five year old quarterback who just had a good season, 348 00:16:48,786 --> 00:16:51,346 Speaker 1: whatever it ends up being. He let him walk and 349 00:16:51,386 --> 00:16:53,346 Speaker 1: he could either start somewhere else or fight for a 350 00:16:53,386 --> 00:16:56,186 Speaker 1: starting job or be a backup. We'll see. You could 351 00:16:56,186 --> 00:16:59,946 Speaker 1: sign him to the mega extension, say twenty five to 352 00:17:00,026 --> 00:17:02,066 Speaker 1: forty million dollars a year. I don't think he's gonna 353 00:17:02,106 --> 00:17:03,946 Speaker 1: get forty million, but I think if Daniel Jones was 354 00:17:03,986 --> 00:17:06,146 Speaker 1: offered twenty five to thirty over the next few years, 355 00:17:06,186 --> 00:17:08,906 Speaker 1: I think his agency and him would would think long 356 00:17:08,906 --> 00:17:11,986 Speaker 1: and hard about it. Or you can franchise tag him. 357 00:17:12,026 --> 00:17:14,786 Speaker 1: And franchise tagging him sounds like the move because it's 358 00:17:14,786 --> 00:17:17,866 Speaker 1: a one year more commitment of like, all right, prove yourself. 359 00:17:17,906 --> 00:17:21,106 Speaker 1: But the problem with franchise tagging him is that quarterbacks 360 00:17:21,146 --> 00:17:23,946 Speaker 1: make so much money right now. It's the average of 361 00:17:23,986 --> 00:17:27,386 Speaker 1: the top five salaries at the position. So if Russell 362 00:17:27,386 --> 00:17:30,626 Speaker 1: Wilson and Kyler Murray and Aaron Rodgers are all making 363 00:17:30,706 --> 00:17:33,426 Speaker 1: forty million, and that means you might have to pay 364 00:17:33,506 --> 00:17:36,186 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones thirty eight to forty million dollars a year. 365 00:17:36,226 --> 00:17:38,106 Speaker 1: If you franchise tag him for that one year and 366 00:17:38,146 --> 00:17:41,546 Speaker 1: then he can still leave the next year if he 367 00:17:41,586 --> 00:17:44,786 Speaker 1: has an outstanding season, because well, unless you give him 368 00:17:45,266 --> 00:17:48,666 Speaker 1: that long term contract, he don't own the rights to him. 369 00:17:49,266 --> 00:17:51,826 Speaker 1: I think the Giants are gonna wait this thing out. 370 00:17:52,106 --> 00:17:53,906 Speaker 1: I think They're going to see how far they can 371 00:17:53,946 --> 00:17:56,666 Speaker 1: take this. And I think it's a really smart conversation 372 00:17:56,706 --> 00:17:59,546 Speaker 1: to have. If Daniel Jones can get them to the playoffs, 373 00:17:59,826 --> 00:18:01,906 Speaker 1: I think that's about what I would need to see 374 00:18:01,986 --> 00:18:03,626 Speaker 1: just get him to the playoffs. I think that's fair. 375 00:18:04,066 --> 00:18:06,066 Speaker 1: I think you start at that twenty five to thirty 376 00:18:06,066 --> 00:18:08,426 Speaker 1: million all the range. I know that might sound ghastly, 377 00:18:08,466 --> 00:18:09,746 Speaker 1: but if you look at some of the numbers and 378 00:18:09,826 --> 00:18:12,986 Speaker 1: other quarterbacks are making, it's below market for a starting 379 00:18:13,066 --> 00:18:15,786 Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL. And then you see what he says, 380 00:18:15,946 --> 00:18:18,186 Speaker 1: and then if you go back and forth, well then 381 00:18:18,266 --> 00:18:21,706 Speaker 1: you have a real contract negotiation. And guess what, Daniel Jones, 382 00:18:21,866 --> 00:18:24,586 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone had us having this conversation back 383 00:18:24,906 --> 00:18:28,866 Speaker 1: in August. Yeah, I also was never expecting that from 384 00:18:28,946 --> 00:18:32,866 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. But I am very excited for our next guest, 385 00:18:33,386 --> 00:18:36,106 Speaker 1: near and dear to my heart with the Buffalo Bills. 386 00:18:36,106 --> 00:18:38,146 Speaker 1: Why don't you te us up for who we've got 387 00:18:38,146 --> 00:18:40,706 Speaker 1: coming on. Yeah, I'm excited for this guest, all right. 388 00:18:40,706 --> 00:18:42,626 Speaker 1: So when I started this podcast, I'm like, I want 389 00:18:42,626 --> 00:18:45,586 Speaker 1: to do some different types of guests, and we've already 390 00:18:45,586 --> 00:18:47,706 Speaker 1: seen two different flavors in our first two weeks. We 391 00:18:47,746 --> 00:18:50,026 Speaker 1: had Robert Sala, head coach of an NFL team. We 392 00:18:50,026 --> 00:18:51,866 Speaker 1: got to know him on a personal level, and I 393 00:18:51,866 --> 00:18:54,026 Speaker 1: thought that was really cool. Then we got Paul Rudd 394 00:18:54,026 --> 00:18:56,026 Speaker 1: in here for ninety minutes, and Paul Rudd was awesome, 395 00:18:56,026 --> 00:18:59,346 Speaker 1: and that's a celebrity fan. The third bucket. I want 396 00:18:59,346 --> 00:19:00,626 Speaker 1: to hit this and I want to get a bunch 397 00:19:00,626 --> 00:19:02,666 Speaker 1: of these guys on. It's the up and coming coach. 398 00:19:02,786 --> 00:19:04,666 Speaker 1: It's the up and coming guy that you're going to 399 00:19:04,706 --> 00:19:06,386 Speaker 1: be hearing about for the next decade of your life, 400 00:19:06,506 --> 00:19:09,586 Speaker 1: says football fans. But you might not know yet. So 401 00:19:09,626 --> 00:19:11,986 Speaker 1: I was happy when this guy agreed to be a 402 00:19:12,106 --> 00:19:15,706 Speaker 1: guest this week, Ladies and gentlemen, I'm happy to introduce 403 00:19:16,226 --> 00:19:19,706 Speaker 1: my guy, Ken Dorsey, Buffalo Bill's offensive coordinator and former 404 00:19:19,746 --> 00:19:25,306 Speaker 1: Miami Hurricane legend. Let's take a listen. Our next guest 405 00:19:25,346 --> 00:19:28,426 Speaker 1: was a standout quarterback at the University of Miami. From 406 00:19:28,506 --> 00:19:31,986 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine to two thousand two. This man had 407 00:19:32,026 --> 00:19:35,986 Speaker 1: a record of thirty eight into the winningest quarterback in 408 00:19:36,066 --> 00:19:39,826 Speaker 1: Miami history, and he won the National Championship in two 409 00:19:39,906 --> 00:19:41,946 Speaker 1: thousand and one. He was in the NFL, he went 410 00:19:41,986 --> 00:19:45,066 Speaker 1: into coaching, and now he is the offensive coordinator of 411 00:19:45,106 --> 00:19:48,426 Speaker 1: one of the most amazing offenses in the league. Ladies 412 00:19:48,466 --> 00:19:53,986 Speaker 1: and gentlemen, let's introduce Ken Dorsey to the Peter Schrager Podcast. Yeah, 413 00:19:54,106 --> 00:19:56,666 Speaker 1: we doing. Thanks for having me, dude. I love that 414 00:19:56,706 --> 00:19:59,986 Speaker 1: you're joining us because so often during the season we 415 00:20:00,026 --> 00:20:02,266 Speaker 1: get all like into it and we're saying this guy 416 00:20:02,386 --> 00:20:04,026 Speaker 1: is the coach of the year, and this guy is 417 00:20:04,066 --> 00:20:06,666 Speaker 1: the next ecod it, and then it's like, who are 418 00:20:06,666 --> 00:20:09,026 Speaker 1: the next faces? Who are the next guys? Who are 419 00:20:09,066 --> 00:20:10,866 Speaker 1: the ones that we should be talking about? Who are 420 00:20:10,866 --> 00:20:13,586 Speaker 1: going to be the next decade of great NFL head 421 00:20:13,586 --> 00:20:16,666 Speaker 1: coaches in this league? And I I've been very candid 422 00:20:16,666 --> 00:20:18,506 Speaker 1: with you and very candid on Good Morning Football, and 423 00:20:18,586 --> 00:20:20,826 Speaker 1: I think you've got all the right stuff. Take us 424 00:20:20,866 --> 00:20:26,146 Speaker 1: briefly through the path from going from player to coach 425 00:20:26,866 --> 00:20:29,706 Speaker 1: and what that decision was like for you as you 426 00:20:29,946 --> 00:20:34,706 Speaker 1: entered the sport at a different level and a different hat. Really. Yeah, No, 427 00:20:34,826 --> 00:20:39,626 Speaker 1: it was obviously a long journey from college playing at 428 00:20:39,706 --> 00:20:42,466 Speaker 1: University of Miami and then go and playing three years 429 00:20:42,466 --> 00:20:45,346 Speaker 1: in San Francisco, three years in Cleveland. And I always 430 00:20:45,386 --> 00:20:47,306 Speaker 1: kind of took the mentality of I didn't know I 431 00:20:47,346 --> 00:20:49,146 Speaker 1: was going to get into coaching at that time, but 432 00:20:49,266 --> 00:20:51,866 Speaker 1: I took you in mentality of, hey, I could walk outside, 433 00:20:51,866 --> 00:20:54,346 Speaker 1: get hit by a car and never play football. What 434 00:20:54,386 --> 00:20:57,066 Speaker 1: am I going to do? You know? So honestly coached 435 00:20:57,106 --> 00:21:01,026 Speaker 1: high school football there until opportunity with in the scouting 436 00:21:01,066 --> 00:21:03,626 Speaker 1: department with the Carolina Panthers came up, and I started 437 00:21:03,666 --> 00:21:06,786 Speaker 1: off in the pro scouting department, which was eight for 438 00:21:06,826 --> 00:21:09,226 Speaker 1: me because then it's you know, you're really looking at 439 00:21:09,266 --> 00:21:12,266 Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. You're scouting offense, defense, special teams, 440 00:21:12,266 --> 00:21:15,106 Speaker 1: so you're really kind of looking at at all aspects 441 00:21:15,266 --> 00:21:18,466 Speaker 1: of a play offensive line, defensive line, you know. So 442 00:21:18,866 --> 00:21:21,586 Speaker 1: so learned a lot through that experience that that I 443 00:21:21,626 --> 00:21:24,026 Speaker 1: really think kind of helped me to the coaching side 444 00:21:24,026 --> 00:21:26,786 Speaker 1: of things, and was fortunate enough to get the quarterback 445 00:21:26,786 --> 00:21:29,786 Speaker 1: coach job there and we had a good run and 446 00:21:30,226 --> 00:21:32,866 Speaker 1: then uh and then came here to Buffalo and pick 447 00:21:32,906 --> 00:21:35,946 Speaker 1: it up from there and uh continue rolling with some 448 00:21:35,986 --> 00:21:39,986 Speaker 1: tweaks and some some different looks. Yeah, and you had 449 00:21:40,066 --> 00:21:42,146 Speaker 1: that career as the scout, as you said, and then 450 00:21:42,146 --> 00:21:45,026 Speaker 1: you go with Cam Newton. Um, here is this physical 451 00:21:45,066 --> 00:21:47,466 Speaker 1: specimen like we'd never seen in the NFL, that quarterback. 452 00:21:47,546 --> 00:21:49,906 Speaker 1: You're the quarterbacks coach for Cam Newton, one of the 453 00:21:49,946 --> 00:21:53,266 Speaker 1: biggest personalities in the league. You guys go fifteen and one, 454 00:21:53,346 --> 00:21:56,626 Speaker 1: that one magical super Bowl season. But when you get 455 00:21:56,666 --> 00:21:59,186 Speaker 1: a guy like Cam Newton and your quarterback and when 456 00:21:59,186 --> 00:22:02,666 Speaker 1: you were playing pocket guy and then you have this 457 00:22:02,706 --> 00:22:05,746 Speaker 1: guy that does things at our super human how did 458 00:22:05,746 --> 00:22:07,906 Speaker 1: you have to bend and mold your versions of what 459 00:22:07,986 --> 00:22:10,706 Speaker 1: you envisioned an NFL offense to camp strings. It's a 460 00:22:10,746 --> 00:22:12,626 Speaker 1: little bit of learning on the fly, you know. And 461 00:22:13,666 --> 00:22:15,546 Speaker 1: the great thing about at the end of the day, 462 00:22:15,666 --> 00:22:17,586 Speaker 1: you've got to be able to win and succeed from 463 00:22:17,586 --> 00:22:19,786 Speaker 1: the pocket and do things you know from the pocket 464 00:22:19,786 --> 00:22:22,306 Speaker 1: in order to have to sustain success over the course 465 00:22:22,306 --> 00:22:24,866 Speaker 1: of time. And so that carries over no matter who 466 00:22:24,906 --> 00:22:27,706 Speaker 1: the quarterback is, whether it's a more mobile guy or 467 00:22:27,706 --> 00:22:30,666 Speaker 1: a true pocket passer guy, You've got to be able 468 00:22:30,666 --> 00:22:34,666 Speaker 1: to develop your mechanics from the pocket and be effective 469 00:22:34,666 --> 00:22:37,666 Speaker 1: from there while not taking away that ability to create 470 00:22:37,746 --> 00:22:41,386 Speaker 1: and what those guys, you know, what makes them special 471 00:22:41,426 --> 00:22:44,106 Speaker 1: and what makes them who they are, not not limiting 472 00:22:44,146 --> 00:22:47,746 Speaker 1: that and not taking away. So it's definitely a balancing 473 00:22:47,746 --> 00:22:51,986 Speaker 1: act of okay, making sure that they can operate everything 474 00:22:52,026 --> 00:22:54,466 Speaker 1: they need to from within the pocket, but not handcuffing 475 00:22:54,506 --> 00:22:58,346 Speaker 1: them and forcing him into something that they're not. Josh 476 00:22:58,386 --> 00:23:01,026 Speaker 1: Allen is such a special individual, and he's such an 477 00:23:01,026 --> 00:23:03,226 Speaker 1: important piece to this league, and he's such a good player. 478 00:23:03,706 --> 00:23:07,066 Speaker 1: You're with him every day. Yeah? Is he as good as? 479 00:23:07,106 --> 00:23:09,386 Speaker 1: It's as good as? I think the NFL could not 480 00:23:09,466 --> 00:23:12,546 Speaker 1: draw two greater ambassadors for the sport than Mahomes and 481 00:23:12,586 --> 00:23:15,986 Speaker 1: Alan Alan. This guy seems like he's missed everything and 482 00:23:15,986 --> 00:23:18,626 Speaker 1: he's just a wonderfully gracious human being. Is am I 483 00:23:18,706 --> 00:23:21,306 Speaker 1: just glowing for no reason? Is there a bad side 484 00:23:21,346 --> 00:23:23,826 Speaker 1: to this guy? No? I mean he really is? He 485 00:23:24,266 --> 00:23:27,586 Speaker 1: just I think he's exactly what you'd want in a 486 00:23:27,666 --> 00:23:31,786 Speaker 1: franchise quarterback in terms of obviously the physical skill set 487 00:23:31,826 --> 00:23:34,226 Speaker 1: that everybody sees, but then you know how he is 488 00:23:34,266 --> 00:23:37,106 Speaker 1: with his teammates, what he does, you know, in his preparation, 489 00:23:38,306 --> 00:23:41,946 Speaker 1: the dedication he has to the organization and to the 490 00:23:42,626 --> 00:23:46,466 Speaker 1: just the area of Western New York and Buffalo in general. 491 00:23:46,666 --> 00:23:49,866 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm very fortunate because I think he's obviously 492 00:23:50,346 --> 00:23:52,586 Speaker 1: one of the one of the great players in our league, 493 00:23:52,906 --> 00:23:56,146 Speaker 1: and working with him day and day out as a blast, 494 00:23:56,346 --> 00:23:58,546 Speaker 1: you know, one because he is who he is, and 495 00:23:58,626 --> 00:24:01,146 Speaker 1: two he's just a great guy to be around. When 496 00:24:01,186 --> 00:24:03,426 Speaker 1: he leaves his feet like he did against Kansas City 497 00:24:03,466 --> 00:24:05,826 Speaker 1: or Minnesota, do you hold your breath and go what 498 00:24:05,826 --> 00:24:08,026 Speaker 1: do you do it? Or is it like buckle up, 499 00:24:08,106 --> 00:24:12,386 Speaker 1: let's go. Well, it's it's obviously you know, there's a 500 00:24:12,386 --> 00:24:14,466 Speaker 1: lot of moments where it's just Josh being Josh and 501 00:24:14,546 --> 00:24:17,586 Speaker 1: doing Josh type things. So you know, you you rolish 502 00:24:17,626 --> 00:24:20,506 Speaker 1: that and you appreciate that, you know, because there's you're 503 00:24:20,546 --> 00:24:22,986 Speaker 1: not always going to have the perfect play called. You 504 00:24:23,066 --> 00:24:25,146 Speaker 1: just won't. I mean, in the in the nature of 505 00:24:25,666 --> 00:24:28,186 Speaker 1: calling a game, it's just there's gonna be plays that 506 00:24:28,626 --> 00:24:30,306 Speaker 1: they might have a better call than you. And you 507 00:24:30,386 --> 00:24:33,026 Speaker 1: gotta trust your guys that they you know, they know 508 00:24:33,106 --> 00:24:35,506 Speaker 1: how to react, they know what to do. And Josh 509 00:24:35,546 --> 00:24:37,946 Speaker 1: does an amazing job of getting us out of some 510 00:24:37,946 --> 00:24:40,306 Speaker 1: some tough looks and creating and putting a lot of 511 00:24:40,306 --> 00:24:43,706 Speaker 1: stress on the defense. Take us back in time when 512 00:24:43,706 --> 00:24:47,186 Speaker 1: you knew, like, did this guy's special A practice, a story, 513 00:24:47,386 --> 00:24:50,546 Speaker 1: a game. I'll always think back to twenty eighteen, Week three, 514 00:24:50,586 --> 00:24:52,986 Speaker 1: you guys go into Minnesota and he hurtles Anthony barn 515 00:24:53,066 --> 00:24:56,106 Speaker 1: I'm like, not a lot of quarterbacks do that. Um, yeah, 516 00:24:56,146 --> 00:24:58,586 Speaker 1: but that was with his legs. That wasn't even scratching 517 00:24:58,586 --> 00:25:01,186 Speaker 1: the surface. When did you know that this dude is different? 518 00:25:02,426 --> 00:25:04,666 Speaker 1: I mean really really the second I got here, to 519 00:25:04,706 --> 00:25:07,546 Speaker 1: be honest with you, just watching him and how he 520 00:25:07,626 --> 00:25:10,386 Speaker 1: reacts by first meeting with him. You know, there's times 521 00:25:10,506 --> 00:25:12,706 Speaker 1: you go through and it's like you go through your 522 00:25:12,706 --> 00:25:14,586 Speaker 1: power Point. I'm a big PowerPoint guy, you know, I 523 00:25:14,666 --> 00:25:18,266 Speaker 1: like point, let's go organization, you know, making sure we're 524 00:25:18,306 --> 00:25:21,026 Speaker 1: we're organized, were on top and everybody knows kind of 525 00:25:21,106 --> 00:25:23,666 Speaker 1: you know, what's your thought processes. So you know, I'm 526 00:25:23,706 --> 00:25:27,066 Speaker 1: going through PowerPoint with them and just kind of our 527 00:25:27,106 --> 00:25:29,986 Speaker 1: our mentality, our thought process, and just how locked in 528 00:25:30,106 --> 00:25:32,786 Speaker 1: he was, you know, with the first day, and just 529 00:25:32,866 --> 00:25:35,226 Speaker 1: how intune he is to the coaching. You know, throughout 530 00:25:35,226 --> 00:25:38,386 Speaker 1: that first offseason, I had with them, I knew like, Okay, 531 00:25:38,466 --> 00:25:40,746 Speaker 1: this guy wants to learn and get better, Like this 532 00:25:40,786 --> 00:25:43,666 Speaker 1: guy really wants to to, you know, continue to grow 533 00:25:43,706 --> 00:25:48,066 Speaker 1: as a player, not only physically but mentally. As a coach, 534 00:25:48,106 --> 00:25:51,146 Speaker 1: you appreciate that. You want guys who are striving to 535 00:25:51,906 --> 00:25:55,546 Speaker 1: just maximize their what they have, you know, whether it's 536 00:25:56,026 --> 00:25:58,746 Speaker 1: a high ceiling or not a high ceiling, because not 537 00:25:58,826 --> 00:26:01,866 Speaker 1: everybody is as physically gifted as as the guy next 538 00:26:01,866 --> 00:26:04,866 Speaker 1: to them. But as a coach, if you've got a 539 00:26:04,866 --> 00:26:07,666 Speaker 1: bunch of guys who are trying to maximize their ceiling 540 00:26:07,666 --> 00:26:10,466 Speaker 1: and accepting the coaching, then that's all you could ask for. 541 00:26:10,666 --> 00:26:14,186 Speaker 1: And Josh embodies that, you know. So I knew it then. 542 00:26:14,226 --> 00:26:18,066 Speaker 1: And then, honestly, you know, after that my first year here, 543 00:26:18,106 --> 00:26:20,506 Speaker 1: we went to the playoffs against Houston and then we 544 00:26:20,546 --> 00:26:22,386 Speaker 1: had a really good first half and then obviously in 545 00:26:22,426 --> 00:26:26,026 Speaker 1: the second half we kind of lost it. But after 546 00:26:26,106 --> 00:26:29,386 Speaker 1: that game, I just knew, like he has the right makeup, 547 00:26:29,706 --> 00:26:31,906 Speaker 1: you know, because he stood up in front of in 548 00:26:31,946 --> 00:26:33,746 Speaker 1: front of everybody and said, look, you know, we gotta 549 00:26:33,786 --> 00:26:36,986 Speaker 1: be better. I gotta be better, you know, and he 550 00:26:37,386 --> 00:26:40,426 Speaker 1: owned the fact that, hey, we didn't lose, not necessarily 551 00:26:40,426 --> 00:26:43,986 Speaker 1: all on him, but you know, he knew that in 552 00:26:44,066 --> 00:26:45,866 Speaker 1: order for us to take the next step, he's got 553 00:26:45,866 --> 00:26:47,986 Speaker 1: to take the next step. And I think he owned 554 00:26:47,986 --> 00:26:50,906 Speaker 1: that moment. And I think that's where you realize guys 555 00:26:50,986 --> 00:26:53,266 Speaker 1: grow from those that they handle it the right way. No, 556 00:26:53,426 --> 00:26:56,226 Speaker 1: it's deep cut like Bill's talk. But like that game, 557 00:26:56,426 --> 00:26:58,786 Speaker 1: it seemed like there was like a short circuit for Josh, 558 00:26:58,866 --> 00:27:00,826 Speaker 1: like at halftime and then he threw that really ill 559 00:27:00,826 --> 00:27:03,626 Speaker 1: advised lateral and I think that was on National TV. 560 00:27:03,746 --> 00:27:06,026 Speaker 1: It was a Saturday afternoon, and like there was a 561 00:27:06,066 --> 00:27:09,226 Speaker 1: lot of Okay, he's good athletically, but maybe and then 562 00:27:09,266 --> 00:27:14,106 Speaker 1: the next two seasons he's just been you know, mistin free, disciplined. 563 00:27:14,146 --> 00:27:17,026 Speaker 1: And I was there at talk like over the art. 564 00:27:17,066 --> 00:27:19,586 Speaker 1: Do you think that's just naturally is like the maturation 565 00:27:19,666 --> 00:27:22,386 Speaker 1: of a quarterback. I really believe that when you look 566 00:27:22,426 --> 00:27:25,386 Speaker 1: at quarterbacks coming into the league, there are so many 567 00:27:25,426 --> 00:27:28,386 Speaker 1: good ones. There are so many guys with a tremendous 568 00:27:28,426 --> 00:27:32,506 Speaker 1: skill set and ability, you know, and you need the 569 00:27:32,586 --> 00:27:35,306 Speaker 1: right mental makeup at which Josh has. But then it 570 00:27:35,386 --> 00:27:40,066 Speaker 1: also becomes okay, you know, reps, reps and reps not 571 00:27:40,106 --> 00:27:43,106 Speaker 1: only in practice, but in games, and the more game 572 00:27:43,146 --> 00:27:45,706 Speaker 1: reps you get, the more it's easy just to be 573 00:27:45,746 --> 00:27:50,386 Speaker 1: like react and it's hey, all right, I've got this play. 574 00:27:50,466 --> 00:27:53,586 Speaker 1: I know versus coverage, it's not the best play, all right, 575 00:27:53,626 --> 00:27:56,426 Speaker 1: so where's my outlets? And it's just quick to an outlet, 576 00:27:56,586 --> 00:27:59,026 Speaker 1: you know, knowing that, hey, I'm not going to pass 577 00:27:59,106 --> 00:28:01,706 Speaker 1: something up, just hoping for something better. And I think 578 00:28:01,706 --> 00:28:04,106 Speaker 1: the more reps you get, the more you see things, 579 00:28:04,106 --> 00:28:06,746 Speaker 1: and the more it's harder to surprise a guy because 580 00:28:06,746 --> 00:28:11,226 Speaker 1: you've seen different variations of whether it's Tampa two or 581 00:28:11,546 --> 00:28:14,746 Speaker 1: postie zones or Man's with different type of rat players 582 00:28:14,786 --> 00:28:17,466 Speaker 1: or robbers in the middle. You know you've seen these 583 00:28:17,506 --> 00:28:20,826 Speaker 1: different things, so less surprise to you, and you're quicker 584 00:28:20,866 --> 00:28:23,266 Speaker 1: to react to things. And the quicker you are to react, 585 00:28:23,346 --> 00:28:25,266 Speaker 1: the quicker the ball comes out, the more stress you 586 00:28:25,306 --> 00:28:28,106 Speaker 1: put on a defense. And I think that's you see 587 00:28:28,106 --> 00:28:30,626 Speaker 1: that in the maturation of guys. All those older quarterbacks 588 00:28:30,666 --> 00:28:32,346 Speaker 1: who have been able to stay in the league for 589 00:28:32,386 --> 00:28:34,626 Speaker 1: so long, they get back, they hit that fifth step 590 00:28:34,666 --> 00:28:36,826 Speaker 1: and they're dropping Bam, the ball's coming out and they're 591 00:28:37,106 --> 00:28:39,586 Speaker 1: a checkdown or they're ripping a seam or something like that. 592 00:28:39,706 --> 00:28:42,426 Speaker 1: But it's because they know, you know, they know on 593 00:28:42,546 --> 00:28:45,026 Speaker 1: this play versus this coverage, I've got a shot at 594 00:28:45,066 --> 00:28:46,586 Speaker 1: this or I don't have a shot at this, so 595 00:28:46,626 --> 00:28:49,506 Speaker 1: they can eliminate that and move on. Well, it's like, 596 00:28:50,106 --> 00:28:52,386 Speaker 1: you know, people laugh about how much money Chase Daniels 597 00:28:52,386 --> 00:28:54,866 Speaker 1: made in this league or your guy case Keenum, and 598 00:28:54,866 --> 00:28:57,426 Speaker 1: these guys will always had a Josh McCown. There's a 599 00:28:57,466 --> 00:28:59,706 Speaker 1: reason they're great in the locker room. They're great in 600 00:28:59,706 --> 00:29:02,266 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks room. They're also reliable when you put them in. 601 00:29:02,306 --> 00:29:03,946 Speaker 1: They're not going to cost you a game. That was 602 00:29:04,026 --> 00:29:06,426 Speaker 1: Drew Stanton for years. You're stating, always had a spot 603 00:29:06,466 --> 00:29:09,306 Speaker 1: an NFL roster. Take us through your quarterback room, because 604 00:29:09,306 --> 00:29:10,986 Speaker 1: I know it's not just you're in that room now, 605 00:29:11,066 --> 00:29:13,826 Speaker 1: Joe Brady is in that room as well. Uh, what's 606 00:29:13,866 --> 00:29:16,466 Speaker 1: it like, what's the dynamic case, Josh, Joe, you and 607 00:29:16,506 --> 00:29:19,186 Speaker 1: I think Barkley might be in there too. That's there. Yeah, Yeah, 608 00:29:19,466 --> 00:29:20,946 Speaker 1: this is a cool room. What do we got? It 609 00:29:21,346 --> 00:29:23,626 Speaker 1: really is? It's a and and that's a great thing 610 00:29:23,626 --> 00:29:26,386 Speaker 1: about it. You know, you've got Josh obviously with his experiences, 611 00:29:26,426 --> 00:29:28,706 Speaker 1: but you've got a got a group of guys with 612 00:29:28,826 --> 00:29:31,786 Speaker 1: tremendous experience, you know, and and been through a lot 613 00:29:31,786 --> 00:29:34,986 Speaker 1: of things. I mean obviously bark Was had been here 614 00:29:34,986 --> 00:29:36,946 Speaker 1: and then left and then came back, and we played 615 00:29:36,986 --> 00:29:39,386 Speaker 1: him like three or four times last year alone, like 616 00:29:39,546 --> 00:29:41,746 Speaker 1: you know, he kept bouncing around and ended up on 617 00:29:41,946 --> 00:29:44,466 Speaker 1: teams that we were playing. Um, you know. So it's 618 00:29:44,546 --> 00:29:47,986 Speaker 1: it's funny because like he has that perspective of teams 619 00:29:47,986 --> 00:29:50,826 Speaker 1: that played us and kind of how they saw that's cool. 620 00:29:51,226 --> 00:29:53,066 Speaker 1: You know, it's a it's a really cool perspective. And 621 00:29:53,106 --> 00:29:55,626 Speaker 1: then he got case who's you know, he's been through 622 00:29:56,026 --> 00:29:59,306 Speaker 1: good times and tough times and uh, you know, brought 623 00:29:59,346 --> 00:30:01,786 Speaker 1: a team to the playoffs and and you know, he 624 00:30:01,826 --> 00:30:06,026 Speaker 1: embodies you know, when you think back to the Minneapolis Miracles, 625 00:30:06,146 --> 00:30:08,946 Speaker 1: you know type game, he embodies the fact of, hey, 626 00:30:08,986 --> 00:30:11,306 Speaker 1: if you just keep keep chipping away, if you don't 627 00:30:11,346 --> 00:30:12,906 Speaker 1: get too high, you don't get too low, and you 628 00:30:12,946 --> 00:30:15,626 Speaker 1: stay right here, you never know what's going to happen 629 00:30:15,666 --> 00:30:17,466 Speaker 1: in the game because so many times it comes down 630 00:30:17,466 --> 00:30:18,986 Speaker 1: to the last two minutes of the fourth quarter. And 631 00:30:19,026 --> 00:30:21,706 Speaker 1: he just embodies that from that game, you know. So 632 00:30:21,746 --> 00:30:24,586 Speaker 1: it's like he has that he has that ability to 633 00:30:24,626 --> 00:30:26,426 Speaker 1: talk to Josh and be like, hey, yeah, we might 634 00:30:26,466 --> 00:30:29,466 Speaker 1: be down seven ten, uh, you know, whatever it is 635 00:30:29,666 --> 00:30:31,746 Speaker 1: or up, Like you've got to keep your foot on 636 00:30:31,746 --> 00:30:34,466 Speaker 1: the gas. You gotta stay you know, stay level, stay 637 00:30:34,506 --> 00:30:37,586 Speaker 1: focused on Hey, it's this drive. And because he's been there, 638 00:30:37,666 --> 00:30:41,026 Speaker 1: he's lived that, so that experience is awesome. And then 639 00:30:41,586 --> 00:30:44,906 Speaker 1: Joe Brady coming in coaching those guys. Did you know 640 00:30:45,026 --> 00:30:47,146 Speaker 1: Joe beforehand? Or because he was just wonder Kim in 641 00:30:47,146 --> 00:30:49,386 Speaker 1: the league, like you talked about LSU and then Sean 642 00:30:49,586 --> 00:30:51,946 Speaker 1: Hayton raped about him and guess the job at Carolina 643 00:30:51,986 --> 00:30:54,386 Speaker 1: at such a young age, did you know him? So 644 00:30:54,466 --> 00:30:57,186 Speaker 1: we you know, just through coaching ranks and getting to 645 00:30:57,186 --> 00:30:59,706 Speaker 1: know him combine and all that stuff. You know, it's uh, 646 00:31:00,426 --> 00:31:02,866 Speaker 1: And that's where those things are so beneficial because you 647 00:31:02,946 --> 00:31:05,626 Speaker 1: never know kind of how things unfold throughout the league. 648 00:31:05,666 --> 00:31:09,146 Speaker 1: Soviously it didn't work out for him in Carolina, and 649 00:31:09,546 --> 00:31:12,906 Speaker 1: it's lucky for us because he brings this great knowledge 650 00:31:13,106 --> 00:31:15,866 Speaker 1: of just the things they've done in New Orleans and 651 00:31:15,906 --> 00:31:18,986 Speaker 1: the things that he did obviously at LSU and then 652 00:31:19,346 --> 00:31:21,986 Speaker 1: took with him. So I mean it's great. And the 653 00:31:21,986 --> 00:31:24,506 Speaker 1: thing that's really beneficial for us is what we wanted 654 00:31:24,506 --> 00:31:27,746 Speaker 1: to do this offseason with the coaching staff is we 655 00:31:27,906 --> 00:31:31,106 Speaker 1: have our system and what we've run for for multiple years, 656 00:31:31,106 --> 00:31:34,986 Speaker 1: but it's really helped prevent us from being stale by 657 00:31:34,466 --> 00:31:38,386 Speaker 1: bringing some new stuff, yeah, from outside the system who 658 00:31:38,826 --> 00:31:41,666 Speaker 1: haven't necessarily been there, whether it's a Joe Brady or 659 00:31:41,666 --> 00:31:44,746 Speaker 1: an Aaron Cromer who hadn't been in the system before. 660 00:31:44,826 --> 00:31:49,266 Speaker 1: It really has kind of infused some newness, some new ideas, 661 00:31:49,306 --> 00:31:51,626 Speaker 1: which you know, helps those guys in the off season 662 00:31:51,666 --> 00:31:54,346 Speaker 1: two of like, Okay, it's not the same old stuff. 663 00:31:54,426 --> 00:31:57,266 Speaker 1: It's you know, it's something new, something that they could 664 00:31:57,266 --> 00:32:00,426 Speaker 1: say and tangible where you can look at and say, look, 665 00:32:00,786 --> 00:32:02,466 Speaker 1: this is why we're doing it and why it's going 666 00:32:02,546 --> 00:32:04,746 Speaker 1: to help us win. And then it's like, okay, that 667 00:32:04,786 --> 00:32:07,026 Speaker 1: makes sense and we could buy into this. Bro. That's 668 00:32:07,066 --> 00:32:08,986 Speaker 1: such a good take because Week one, you guys play 669 00:32:09,026 --> 00:32:11,666 Speaker 1: the Rams and it's like super Bowl Champions for us, 670 00:32:11,666 --> 00:32:13,746 Speaker 1: a team that everyone's hot on, and it was like 671 00:32:13,786 --> 00:32:16,306 Speaker 1: it felt like it was nine months of just the 672 00:32:16,386 --> 00:32:19,226 Speaker 1: frustration boiling over from that loss. Agains a Chiefs and 673 00:32:19,266 --> 00:32:22,226 Speaker 1: it was like builds a palooza. Here we are and 674 00:32:22,266 --> 00:32:24,226 Speaker 1: this is everything and you were so dialed in with 675 00:32:24,226 --> 00:32:25,986 Speaker 1: those play calls. It was not the same offense we 676 00:32:26,026 --> 00:32:27,666 Speaker 1: saw last year. It was almost like, let me show 677 00:32:27,706 --> 00:32:30,786 Speaker 1: you what I got. You know, here we go. Did 678 00:32:30,786 --> 00:32:33,306 Speaker 1: you feel that, like that opening week game, going into 679 00:32:33,346 --> 00:32:35,946 Speaker 1: that with Thursday night football and all the bright lights, like, Hey, 680 00:32:36,066 --> 00:32:38,466 Speaker 1: we're gonna stake our flag on this season and here's 681 00:32:38,466 --> 00:32:41,666 Speaker 1: what we're about. Yeah. And obviously anytime you open up 682 00:32:41,666 --> 00:32:43,946 Speaker 1: against such a great opponent, I mean, they're the Super 683 00:32:43,946 --> 00:32:46,906 Speaker 1: Bowl chance for a reason, and they are i mean 684 00:32:47,226 --> 00:32:50,746 Speaker 1: coaching staff wise, player wise, you know, it's it's it 685 00:32:50,906 --> 00:32:53,146 Speaker 1: really kind of forces you in the off season to 686 00:32:53,186 --> 00:32:55,746 Speaker 1: really have a different level of focus when you're opening 687 00:32:55,826 --> 00:32:59,106 Speaker 1: up with a game like that, you know, and and 688 00:32:59,266 --> 00:33:01,666 Speaker 1: it really created that, I think for everybody throughout the 689 00:33:01,666 --> 00:33:04,826 Speaker 1: off season. So, uh, it was. It was a great environment. 690 00:33:04,866 --> 00:33:06,946 Speaker 1: And yeah, I think that was It's part of it 691 00:33:06,986 --> 00:33:10,186 Speaker 1: because when whenever you take over an offense, it's like, yeah, 692 00:33:10,306 --> 00:33:12,466 Speaker 1: you're gonna take over. But you always want to infuse 693 00:33:12,546 --> 00:33:15,346 Speaker 1: your personality. You always want to fuse what the things 694 00:33:15,386 --> 00:33:17,946 Speaker 1: you believe in, the things you want to kind of incorporate, 695 00:33:18,346 --> 00:33:20,466 Speaker 1: whether it's stuff in the past, Lawyer, it was five 696 00:33:20,546 --> 00:33:22,146 Speaker 1: years ago. I was like, I kind of like this 697 00:33:22,266 --> 00:33:24,546 Speaker 1: but didn't quite get in, and we want I want 698 00:33:24,546 --> 00:33:26,186 Speaker 1: to take a look at it, and I believe in it. 699 00:33:27,066 --> 00:33:30,066 Speaker 1: But but I think that way, if you do that, 700 00:33:30,626 --> 00:33:32,786 Speaker 1: guys buy in a lot better because you're not trying 701 00:33:32,826 --> 00:33:34,786 Speaker 1: to be something you're not. You gotta be yourself, you 702 00:33:34,866 --> 00:33:36,946 Speaker 1: got to you gotta do what you believe in, and 703 00:33:36,986 --> 00:33:39,146 Speaker 1: that creates a lot more buy in. I think from 704 00:33:39,466 --> 00:33:41,706 Speaker 1: from your guys. You know, when when you're doing what 705 00:33:41,786 --> 00:33:44,546 Speaker 1: you believe in and they understand why, it's a lot 706 00:33:44,586 --> 00:33:46,786 Speaker 1: easier for those guys to be all in and one 707 00:33:46,826 --> 00:33:50,146 Speaker 1: hundred percent behind every single call you make because they 708 00:33:50,266 --> 00:33:53,826 Speaker 1: understand that it's it's a really cool time in the 709 00:33:53,906 --> 00:33:56,066 Speaker 1: league and that we're seeing a lot of that concepts 710 00:33:56,106 --> 00:33:59,666 Speaker 1: from college come in. But also you see some teams 711 00:33:59,866 --> 00:34:02,026 Speaker 1: still use a fullback, if you see some teams go 712 00:34:02,146 --> 00:34:05,066 Speaker 1: five wide, Like it's so varied, and I look at 713 00:34:05,066 --> 00:34:06,906 Speaker 1: all the young offensive head coach is in the league 714 00:34:06,946 --> 00:34:08,986 Speaker 1: right now, whether it be Mike McDaniel down in Miami 715 00:34:09,026 --> 00:34:11,906 Speaker 1: who's waited his time and now has his opportunity, 'll 716 00:34:11,986 --> 00:34:16,666 Speaker 1: floor up in Green Bay McVeigh obviously, Zach Taylor and Cincinnati. 717 00:34:16,706 --> 00:34:18,986 Speaker 1: We can go through it. You're a young offensive mind 718 00:34:19,026 --> 00:34:21,666 Speaker 1: who's getting a lot of eyeballs right now. If you're 719 00:34:21,666 --> 00:34:23,586 Speaker 1: talking to other coaches, and a lot of the listeners 720 00:34:23,586 --> 00:34:26,146 Speaker 1: to this are you know, coaches within the NFL, but 721 00:34:26,226 --> 00:34:28,586 Speaker 1: young coaches at the youth level. How do you just 722 00:34:29,026 --> 00:34:31,586 Speaker 1: hang tight, be patient and know that your time is 723 00:34:31,586 --> 00:34:33,986 Speaker 1: gonna come. What is your message? Because now you're the 724 00:34:33,986 --> 00:34:35,786 Speaker 1: OC of the number one offense in the league, and 725 00:34:35,826 --> 00:34:38,546 Speaker 1: it's like everyone's talking about Ken Dorsey as has this 726 00:34:38,626 --> 00:34:41,026 Speaker 1: great offensive mind. But it did not happen overnight. You 727 00:34:41,106 --> 00:34:43,826 Speaker 1: earned your earned your seat at the table over years 728 00:34:43,866 --> 00:34:46,226 Speaker 1: of grinding it out different jobs. What's your message to 729 00:34:46,266 --> 00:34:48,466 Speaker 1: someone who might be kind of hitting that wall right now. 730 00:34:48,626 --> 00:34:51,986 Speaker 1: It's a great question, and everybody has dreams and aspirations. 731 00:34:52,026 --> 00:34:53,986 Speaker 1: I go back to college a little bit in my 732 00:34:54,026 --> 00:34:57,586 Speaker 1: mind on this, and in college, obviously we had a 733 00:34:57,626 --> 00:35:00,506 Speaker 1: great run and everybody wanted to ask, like, Okay, you know, 734 00:35:00,666 --> 00:35:02,546 Speaker 1: do you think you're what round? Do you think you're 735 00:35:02,546 --> 00:35:05,146 Speaker 1: going to get drafted? Okay, what do you think you 736 00:35:05,146 --> 00:35:07,466 Speaker 1: should win? The Heisman Trophy and all this stuff? And 737 00:35:07,826 --> 00:35:10,786 Speaker 1: my mentality has always been if the team has success, 738 00:35:11,026 --> 00:35:13,626 Speaker 1: all that our stuff takes care of itself. The only 739 00:35:13,666 --> 00:35:16,066 Speaker 1: thing that matters is to me is the team's success. 740 00:35:16,146 --> 00:35:21,626 Speaker 1: Because if if I'm focused on those things and the 741 00:35:21,666 --> 00:35:24,666 Speaker 1: team wins and I maybe miss out on that opportunity, 742 00:35:24,706 --> 00:35:27,506 Speaker 1: but I'm still locked in on the team and we 743 00:35:27,586 --> 00:35:30,186 Speaker 1: win because of that, I can live with myself. What 744 00:35:30,306 --> 00:35:32,626 Speaker 1: I can't live with is if I'm worried about this 745 00:35:32,706 --> 00:35:35,466 Speaker 1: other stuff and I'm not one hundred percent focused on 746 00:35:35,506 --> 00:35:37,546 Speaker 1: the team and all of a sudden we lose a 747 00:35:37,586 --> 00:35:39,306 Speaker 1: game that maybe cost us a chance to be in 748 00:35:39,306 --> 00:35:42,426 Speaker 1: the National Championship, that I couldn't live with. I wouldn't 749 00:35:42,426 --> 00:35:44,666 Speaker 1: be able to live with myself, you know. So if 750 00:35:44,946 --> 00:35:47,546 Speaker 1: I if I miss out on something because I'm one 751 00:35:47,626 --> 00:35:52,226 Speaker 1: hundred percent focused and committed to our team success, then 752 00:35:52,666 --> 00:35:54,346 Speaker 1: then I can live with. I can live with that. 753 00:35:55,066 --> 00:35:58,386 Speaker 1: I love that answer. We not me. I know McVeagh 754 00:35:58,426 --> 00:36:01,626 Speaker 1: has that plastered all over in Los Angeles. That's their 755 00:36:01,626 --> 00:36:04,026 Speaker 1: whole facility is we not me. And after you get 756 00:36:04,066 --> 00:36:06,626 Speaker 1: a little success, and the Rams did have a lot 757 00:36:06,666 --> 00:36:09,226 Speaker 1: of success, that there starts to be a little bit 758 00:36:09,346 --> 00:36:11,786 Speaker 1: and then we go to Buffalo, We're starting to see 759 00:36:11,826 --> 00:36:13,666 Speaker 1: some guys get a little recognition. How do you keep 760 00:36:13,706 --> 00:36:16,266 Speaker 1: them humbled. Josh included, how do you keep them humbled? 761 00:36:16,266 --> 00:36:18,666 Speaker 1: The Hey, we haven't done squad yet, Well, I think 762 00:36:18,706 --> 00:36:21,786 Speaker 1: it's one. Uh what what Sean and Brandon have been 763 00:36:21,826 --> 00:36:24,146 Speaker 1: able to do? Bring in the right people. I mean 764 00:36:24,186 --> 00:36:27,826 Speaker 1: this is as as good of a as a team 765 00:36:27,866 --> 00:36:31,826 Speaker 1: I've been around in terms of one, you know, bring 766 00:36:31,826 --> 00:36:35,986 Speaker 1: in talented guys, but then also tremendous people, Guys who 767 00:36:36,026 --> 00:36:39,466 Speaker 1: are you know, committed to each other, uh, committed to 768 00:36:39,546 --> 00:36:42,746 Speaker 1: the one common goal, you know. And I think that's 769 00:36:42,786 --> 00:36:46,386 Speaker 1: just through through character and through through bring in people 770 00:36:46,426 --> 00:36:49,226 Speaker 1: that that fit the culture and which those guys and 771 00:36:49,666 --> 00:36:51,906 Speaker 1: us and as an organization are trying to build. I 772 00:36:51,946 --> 00:36:54,306 Speaker 1: think that's huge. And then at the same time, our 773 00:36:54,346 --> 00:36:58,266 Speaker 1: guys understanding, look, I mean we haven't won anything yet. 774 00:36:58,306 --> 00:37:00,746 Speaker 1: I mean it's such a it's such a week to 775 00:37:00,786 --> 00:37:03,466 Speaker 1: week league. We've got to be so focused on this 776 00:37:03,506 --> 00:37:06,986 Speaker 1: week and the right now, because if you don't take 777 00:37:07,026 --> 00:37:09,986 Speaker 1: that mindset, then you're not going to have the sustained 778 00:37:10,026 --> 00:37:12,666 Speaker 1: success that you want because you're constantly looking ahead or 779 00:37:12,666 --> 00:37:15,586 Speaker 1: you're constantly looking back. You've got to focus on right now, 780 00:37:15,626 --> 00:37:17,506 Speaker 1: and you've got to live in the moment right now. 781 00:37:17,786 --> 00:37:20,626 Speaker 1: Otherwise you have no chance to accomplish what you want 782 00:37:20,626 --> 00:37:22,826 Speaker 1: to accomplish in the future. Can we go through a 783 00:37:22,866 --> 00:37:25,226 Speaker 1: little story of time, because that Miami team was my 784 00:37:25,306 --> 00:37:28,226 Speaker 1: favorite college football team. I've got friends who are like, 785 00:37:28,306 --> 00:37:31,186 Speaker 1: I like Charlie Ward Nebraska, or I you know, Charlie 786 00:37:31,226 --> 00:37:34,066 Speaker 1: Ward Florida State, or I like Tommy Frasier Nebraska. I'm like, 787 00:37:34,626 --> 00:37:38,666 Speaker 1: give me book, David Larry Coker Canes football, no doubt. 788 00:37:38,666 --> 00:37:40,466 Speaker 1: Could you for the listener who might be a little 789 00:37:40,466 --> 00:37:42,586 Speaker 1: younger or might not be as into the college game, 790 00:37:42,586 --> 00:37:44,386 Speaker 1: can you just go through some of the players on 791 00:37:44,506 --> 00:37:47,106 Speaker 1: the team from that from that squad, it was fun. 792 00:37:47,146 --> 00:37:49,066 Speaker 1: I mean my first couple of years being able to 793 00:37:49,106 --> 00:37:53,026 Speaker 1: throw with guys to the Reggie Waynes and the Santana Mosses, 794 00:37:53,146 --> 00:37:57,186 Speaker 1: the Jeremy Shocky's, you know, and those guys and shoot. 795 00:37:57,186 --> 00:37:59,986 Speaker 1: In the National Championship game, Willis mcgahey was playing fullback 796 00:38:00,026 --> 00:38:02,786 Speaker 1: for US. Who are the other running backs? Who else 797 00:38:02,786 --> 00:38:07,786 Speaker 1: did you have had Willis mcgahey, Clinton, Porus? Uh, Frank 798 00:38:07,826 --> 00:38:11,506 Speaker 1: Gore Um? You know? So yeah, those guys were in 799 00:38:11,546 --> 00:38:15,146 Speaker 1: our back our backfield and wide receivers were who Reggie 800 00:38:15,146 --> 00:38:19,426 Speaker 1: Wayne and Johnson? Uh? Santana Moss and then Andre Andre 801 00:38:19,666 --> 00:38:23,346 Speaker 1: was the backup who kind of killed those guys need 802 00:38:23,346 --> 00:38:25,466 Speaker 1: a break. We had a guy named Andrea King who 803 00:38:25,546 --> 00:38:30,026 Speaker 1: was our slot receiver, played in the league and winslow well. 804 00:38:30,066 --> 00:38:32,346 Speaker 1: So Kellen came in as a as a wide receiver, 805 00:38:33,266 --> 00:38:35,986 Speaker 1: played wide receiver early on, and then once Shocky left, 806 00:38:36,026 --> 00:38:38,626 Speaker 1: moved to tight end. So I had Kellen my senior year, 807 00:38:39,026 --> 00:38:41,386 Speaker 1: and then on on. On defense, it was a whole 808 00:38:41,506 --> 00:38:44,106 Speaker 1: other You had the Ed Reids and the Sean Taylors 809 00:38:44,146 --> 00:38:48,986 Speaker 1: and Vince Woolf forks Um, Mike Rump and Philip Buchanan 810 00:38:48,986 --> 00:38:51,906 Speaker 1: who were first round corners, Johnathon Jonathan Villam and Dan 811 00:38:51,986 --> 00:38:55,746 Speaker 1: morgan Um. I mean, it's it's when you look back 812 00:38:55,786 --> 00:38:58,346 Speaker 1: at like those games and you see kind of like 813 00:38:58,386 --> 00:39:02,426 Speaker 1: a team picture. It really is ridiculous and uh just 814 00:39:03,186 --> 00:39:06,826 Speaker 1: unbelievably special kind of what that group was able to together. 815 00:39:06,866 --> 00:39:09,506 Speaker 1: And and honestly, the thing I really learned from it 816 00:39:09,546 --> 00:39:13,186 Speaker 1: too was those guys like like Ed Reid didn't come 817 00:39:13,226 --> 00:39:16,586 Speaker 1: in as like at five star Yeah yeah, you know, 818 00:39:16,626 --> 00:39:18,986 Speaker 1: I mean, like he came in as as a freshman 819 00:39:19,066 --> 00:39:21,506 Speaker 1: like every other freshman. What made Ed Reid ed Reid 820 00:39:22,106 --> 00:39:24,906 Speaker 1: was one the amount of work it took, and then 821 00:39:24,986 --> 00:39:27,546 Speaker 1: to the culture in which was built of just the 822 00:39:27,546 --> 00:39:31,066 Speaker 1: competition and every day it was a knockdown, drag out 823 00:39:31,106 --> 00:39:33,986 Speaker 1: in practice like every day like it was a mission 824 00:39:34,026 --> 00:39:36,546 Speaker 1: in my life to beat at Reid, you know, and 825 00:39:38,946 --> 00:39:42,986 Speaker 1: get them on something and score touchdowns against that defense 826 00:39:43,106 --> 00:39:46,386 Speaker 1: like it was. It was just a competitive atmosphere that 827 00:39:46,506 --> 00:39:51,906 Speaker 1: really drove a mentality of constantly getting better every single day. 828 00:39:52,146 --> 00:39:54,706 Speaker 1: Your best Jeremy Shockey story in sixty seconds, what do 829 00:39:54,706 --> 00:39:59,186 Speaker 1: you got? Oh man? Uh well, obviously, like the one 830 00:39:59,226 --> 00:40:02,346 Speaker 1: thing that that always sticks out to me is just, uh, 831 00:40:03,026 --> 00:40:05,146 Speaker 1: Larry Coker comes up to me and he goes, hey, 832 00:40:05,186 --> 00:40:07,426 Speaker 1: you know, we got this guy coming in from from 833 00:40:07,466 --> 00:40:11,386 Speaker 1: at Oklahoma, small town, you know, and I don't know, 834 00:40:11,546 --> 00:40:14,586 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how well he's gonna fit it, adjustice, 835 00:40:14,626 --> 00:40:17,266 Speaker 1: So yeah, how's he going to adjust everything? It was 836 00:40:17,346 --> 00:40:20,546 Speaker 1: jaredy shocky and he let's say, he fitted just fine 837 00:40:20,626 --> 00:40:23,906 Speaker 1: in the Miami area and on that team, so you 838 00:40:23,946 --> 00:40:28,946 Speaker 1: didn't have any issues. Sean Taylor memories anything that sticks out. 839 00:40:29,306 --> 00:40:32,746 Speaker 1: He was so amazing just in terms of early on, 840 00:40:32,906 --> 00:40:35,386 Speaker 1: you knew this kid was getting that he seeking miss 841 00:40:35,906 --> 00:40:39,026 Speaker 1: play the whole time, you know, and just I mean 842 00:40:39,186 --> 00:40:41,946 Speaker 1: he was unbelieved. Just when you when you're back there, 843 00:40:41,986 --> 00:40:44,506 Speaker 1: it's like just the size and range in which he 844 00:40:44,626 --> 00:40:48,346 Speaker 1: had was incredible, you know, and instincts and everything, so 845 00:40:48,826 --> 00:40:52,666 Speaker 1: you always remember those things and just the the physical tools. 846 00:40:52,706 --> 00:40:55,226 Speaker 1: And then also, like I said, just the type of 847 00:40:55,306 --> 00:40:57,866 Speaker 1: guy he was, like, he's just a you know, a 848 00:40:57,906 --> 00:40:59,586 Speaker 1: guy that you just want to spend time with and 849 00:40:59,706 --> 00:41:01,426 Speaker 1: hang out with. He was. He was a good dude. 850 00:41:01,746 --> 00:41:05,466 Speaker 1: You know. Um, let's go forward to the Miami game. 851 00:41:05,506 --> 00:41:07,986 Speaker 1: Obviously we see this video of you getting frustrated. I 852 00:41:08,066 --> 00:41:09,786 Speaker 1: kind of liked it. I think Josh Allen liked it. 853 00:41:10,306 --> 00:41:13,066 Speaker 1: I don't want that to be like the persona of 854 00:41:13,226 --> 00:41:15,226 Speaker 1: Ken Dorsey of like this guy up in the box. 855 00:41:16,346 --> 00:41:18,146 Speaker 1: What's been the fall out of that the last comas 856 00:41:18,226 --> 00:41:20,146 Speaker 1: and have you leaned into it or are you like, 857 00:41:20,226 --> 00:41:22,506 Speaker 1: let's move on from that. Because we had Robert Sala 858 00:41:22,626 --> 00:41:24,546 Speaker 1: in week one and he made it or the first 859 00:41:24,586 --> 00:41:26,746 Speaker 1: episode and he had a comment about, you know, I'm 860 00:41:26,786 --> 00:41:28,946 Speaker 1: taking taking receipts for everyone whose question does and I 861 00:41:28,946 --> 00:41:30,986 Speaker 1: asked Hi about it, and he's like, you know, honestly, 862 00:41:31,066 --> 00:41:33,666 Speaker 1: I didn't love that. I said, that, and I hope 863 00:41:33,706 --> 00:41:36,786 Speaker 1: it goes away the clip with you, like, I kind 864 00:41:36,826 --> 00:41:38,906 Speaker 1: of liked the intensity, but I don't know if that's 865 00:41:38,946 --> 00:41:41,346 Speaker 1: how you wanted to be represented on you know, future 866 00:41:41,466 --> 00:41:44,026 Speaker 1: interviews being asked about that, No, no doubt. And I 867 00:41:44,146 --> 00:41:47,426 Speaker 1: think you know, you learn from your experiences, and we're human, 868 00:41:47,666 --> 00:41:51,026 Speaker 1: you know, and we all we all have reactions as 869 00:41:51,146 --> 00:41:53,986 Speaker 1: human beings. You know, you get frustrated or or whatever 870 00:41:54,066 --> 00:41:55,986 Speaker 1: it is that you're like, I wish I had handled 871 00:41:56,026 --> 00:41:58,186 Speaker 1: that differently, you know, and that's one of them. And 872 00:41:58,226 --> 00:41:59,946 Speaker 1: when you were you're in the course of a game 873 00:42:00,066 --> 00:42:02,666 Speaker 1: like that and you're playing, you know, your your guys 874 00:42:02,706 --> 00:42:04,666 Speaker 1: were giving you you know, they're hard and soul out 875 00:42:04,666 --> 00:42:07,226 Speaker 1: on the field, you know, and every single ounce of 876 00:42:07,386 --> 00:42:11,306 Speaker 1: everything they have, um, you know, and you're playing ninety 877 00:42:11,346 --> 00:42:13,466 Speaker 1: plays in that heat and you're losing guys and other 878 00:42:13,546 --> 00:42:16,386 Speaker 1: guys are having to step in and uh and and 879 00:42:16,546 --> 00:42:19,106 Speaker 1: perform at a high level in which they did. You know, 880 00:42:19,226 --> 00:42:21,626 Speaker 1: you're you're kind of your your commit your guys and 881 00:42:21,826 --> 00:42:23,706 Speaker 1: and you're you know, you love those guys and you 882 00:42:23,746 --> 00:42:26,786 Speaker 1: appreciate everything they're doing for you. So you know, at 883 00:42:26,826 --> 00:42:28,626 Speaker 1: the time, it's like when when the game ends, and 884 00:42:28,906 --> 00:42:31,706 Speaker 1: you lose in a in a tough way. You're you're frustrated, 885 00:42:31,706 --> 00:42:34,226 Speaker 1: you're you're upset, and you know, but you learn and 886 00:42:34,346 --> 00:42:36,426 Speaker 1: you learn from it and you're like, Okay, I need 887 00:42:36,506 --> 00:42:38,746 Speaker 1: to make sure I handle this in a different way. 888 00:42:38,786 --> 00:42:40,906 Speaker 1: But at the same time, you're never going to take 889 00:42:40,986 --> 00:42:43,986 Speaker 1: the the burning desire to win out of the game 890 00:42:44,026 --> 00:42:46,386 Speaker 1: for you. I loved about it, and you didn't swear 891 00:42:46,466 --> 00:42:48,186 Speaker 1: on camera. I was like, I kind of liked it. 892 00:42:48,266 --> 00:42:50,906 Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, this Bill's team and that coach 893 00:42:51,026 --> 00:42:53,546 Speaker 1: up there, they're pissed they lost that way, and like, 894 00:42:53,706 --> 00:42:56,986 Speaker 1: that's that's something I think every fan can appreciate. No, Yeah, 895 00:42:56,986 --> 00:42:59,506 Speaker 1: and I think you know, it's it's like any any sport. 896 00:42:59,586 --> 00:43:01,786 Speaker 1: You see it every you know, in all sports, whether 897 00:43:01,826 --> 00:43:05,266 Speaker 1: it's a you know, uh an NBA coach can eject 898 00:43:05,306 --> 00:43:08,866 Speaker 1: it from game or uh, you know, a baseball manager 899 00:43:08,986 --> 00:43:13,666 Speaker 1: getting injected. Whatever. You're so you're so committed to your 900 00:43:13,746 --> 00:43:16,786 Speaker 1: guys and you love your guys, and you want, you know, 901 00:43:16,946 --> 00:43:20,906 Speaker 1: nothing but success for the organization and for your guys, 902 00:43:20,946 --> 00:43:24,266 Speaker 1: and you know, uh, as as you grow and learn 903 00:43:24,386 --> 00:43:27,906 Speaker 1: these things, you learn, Okay, well, there's way ways to 904 00:43:27,986 --> 00:43:30,866 Speaker 1: obviously handle that, but um, you know, I don't think 905 00:43:30,946 --> 00:43:33,946 Speaker 1: you ever want to take that that burning desire, you know, 906 00:43:34,066 --> 00:43:37,226 Speaker 1: out of any player you have or any coach that 907 00:43:37,346 --> 00:43:39,586 Speaker 1: you have. But at the same time, just handle it 908 00:43:39,666 --> 00:43:42,466 Speaker 1: it and maybe in a different way. Okay for listeners 909 00:43:42,506 --> 00:43:44,866 Speaker 1: who aren't Bills fans, getting to know you now on 910 00:43:44,946 --> 00:43:49,826 Speaker 1: this podcast, tell us about your family life, your professional aspirations, 911 00:43:49,986 --> 00:43:52,826 Speaker 1: and more or less give us the Ken Dorsey Elevator 912 00:43:53,106 --> 00:43:55,306 Speaker 1: stage of core you and what are your core values? 913 00:43:55,346 --> 00:43:58,626 Speaker 1: In about sixty seconds. Well, I think the biggest thing 914 00:43:58,706 --> 00:44:01,306 Speaker 1: for me is, uh, you know, I I love ball. 915 00:44:01,626 --> 00:44:03,626 Speaker 1: You know, I've got a I've got a family who 916 00:44:03,706 --> 00:44:06,666 Speaker 1: loves ball because they don't see me. So my wife, uh, 917 00:44:07,386 --> 00:44:10,826 Speaker 1: somebody who's uh has committed to football. She hates watching 918 00:44:10,986 --> 00:44:13,146 Speaker 1: watching ball with other people because they talk to her 919 00:44:13,146 --> 00:44:16,466 Speaker 1: about non football things. My wife too. And I'm not 920 00:44:16,546 --> 00:44:18,706 Speaker 1: even a coach. It's like, if it's not football, I 921 00:44:18,746 --> 00:44:21,626 Speaker 1: don't really have any other interests at this moment. Yeah, exactly. 922 00:44:21,746 --> 00:44:23,946 Speaker 1: So she does a great job with the kids and 923 00:44:24,186 --> 00:44:26,586 Speaker 1: and uh in the season because she's a single mom 924 00:44:26,706 --> 00:44:30,306 Speaker 1: during the year, um, and and has no complaints about 925 00:44:30,386 --> 00:44:33,066 Speaker 1: that helps me. So you know that's that's the biggest 926 00:44:33,066 --> 00:44:35,946 Speaker 1: thing for me and uh at home. And then you know, 927 00:44:36,106 --> 00:44:40,426 Speaker 1: from from aspect of what I believe in, my beliefs 928 00:44:40,426 --> 00:44:42,706 Speaker 1: are arecast simple in terms of coaching I believe in 929 00:44:42,946 --> 00:44:46,866 Speaker 1: and you know, playing with speed, physicality and discipline, and uh, 930 00:44:47,266 --> 00:44:49,066 Speaker 1: I think if you play with those three things as 931 00:44:49,106 --> 00:44:53,026 Speaker 1: an offense, you're gonna always give yourself a chance to win. Ken. 932 00:44:53,146 --> 00:44:55,546 Speaker 1: That was good. That was really good. My last thing, 933 00:44:55,706 --> 00:44:58,866 Speaker 1: Josh Allen cam Newton, You've coached some great NFL quarterbreds. 934 00:44:59,146 --> 00:45:01,306 Speaker 1: Do they have any idea what a badass you were 935 00:45:01,386 --> 00:45:03,946 Speaker 1: in college? Like? Do they know? Did did they ever 936 00:45:04,026 --> 00:45:06,706 Speaker 1: go back, like to cam Newton coming in as VP 937 00:45:06,826 --> 00:45:09,226 Speaker 1: and all the stuff. Does he look back and be like, Yo, coach, 938 00:45:10,066 --> 00:45:12,226 Speaker 1: pretty damn good yourself, Like, did they know? Did these 939 00:45:12,266 --> 00:45:15,666 Speaker 1: young guys know? I think I think they're getting less 940 00:45:15,706 --> 00:45:19,226 Speaker 1: and less aware, you know. But Josh, Josh likes to 941 00:45:19,266 --> 00:45:21,426 Speaker 1: give me a hard time about it and everything. He likes. 942 00:45:22,026 --> 00:45:24,386 Speaker 1: He likes to joke, He likes to go around tell 943 00:45:24,426 --> 00:45:27,746 Speaker 1: him any anybody who talks to an interview or whatever, 944 00:45:27,866 --> 00:45:30,706 Speaker 1: that I just basically walking around with a stamped on 945 00:45:30,786 --> 00:45:33,826 Speaker 1: my forehead that was thirty two as a start st 946 00:45:34,786 --> 00:45:38,386 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like like uh like, I you know, skill around. 947 00:45:38,466 --> 00:45:41,226 Speaker 1: Just that's the first thing when I introduced myself endors 948 00:45:41,346 --> 00:45:43,226 Speaker 1: I was thirty eighty two as a starter in college. 949 00:45:44,186 --> 00:45:46,826 Speaker 1: I feel like twenty five years ago, I was a 950 00:45:47,066 --> 00:45:50,626 Speaker 1: al Bundy Polk High School. That's exactly right, exactly right. 951 00:45:50,786 --> 00:45:53,906 Speaker 1: But I think, uh, I think they they kind of 952 00:45:54,026 --> 00:45:57,786 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's stage of the Internet and uh 953 00:45:58,186 --> 00:46:00,906 Speaker 1: obviously social media and everything, so they can look up anything. 954 00:46:00,946 --> 00:46:04,506 Speaker 1: So I think anytime you know you're new, they automatically 955 00:46:04,586 --> 00:46:08,506 Speaker 1: just google to see what you're all about. Awesome, Well, 956 00:46:08,546 --> 00:46:11,186 Speaker 1: you're all about ball and you're all about winning football 957 00:46:11,306 --> 00:46:12,906 Speaker 1: right now, I just wanted to thank you so much 958 00:46:12,986 --> 00:46:15,666 Speaker 1: during the season coming on our podcast, and Ken, I 959 00:46:15,786 --> 00:46:17,106 Speaker 1: just wish you need the best of luck. You're a 960 00:46:17,186 --> 00:46:20,346 Speaker 1: great dude, and you're really well respected around the league. 961 00:46:20,626 --> 00:46:22,506 Speaker 1: And I hope that the listeners get a glimpse right 962 00:46:22,546 --> 00:46:24,586 Speaker 1: now from this podcast of what a great guy you are. 963 00:46:24,826 --> 00:46:27,506 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining man, No, I appreciate you, Hammy, thank 964 00:46:27,546 --> 00:46:30,466 Speaker 1: you so good. Ken Dorse, the offensive coordinator and the 965 00:46:30,546 --> 00:46:33,826 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills and a thirty eight and two starter in college. 966 00:46:33,866 --> 00:46:40,706 Speaker 1: Don't ever forget it, all right, So from one place 967 00:46:40,826 --> 00:46:43,426 Speaker 1: where things are going great right now Buffalo and everyone's 968 00:46:43,426 --> 00:46:46,066 Speaker 1: feeling themselves and the offense is awesome, to another where 969 00:46:46,786 --> 00:46:49,266 Speaker 1: I don't know what to say. Tampa Bay. This might 970 00:46:49,306 --> 00:46:51,506 Speaker 1: be the least entertaining team in football right now. I 971 00:46:51,546 --> 00:46:53,786 Speaker 1: don't know what's going on with Tom Brady. They lose 972 00:46:53,826 --> 00:46:56,186 Speaker 1: to the Carolina Panthers, a team that had a lot 973 00:46:56,226 --> 00:46:58,346 Speaker 1: of spirit, but certainly if you look at the rosters, 974 00:46:58,466 --> 00:47:01,346 Speaker 1: did not have the same caliber of skill position players 975 00:47:01,426 --> 00:47:04,786 Speaker 1: and talent to go up there and just absolutely beat them. 976 00:47:04,906 --> 00:47:09,146 Speaker 1: Last week I watched Tampa Bay. I'm confused. And if 977 00:47:09,226 --> 00:47:11,706 Speaker 1: you love this podcast, you love our segment called make 978 00:47:11,786 --> 00:47:14,826 Speaker 1: Me Smarter, where I bring in my guy, Tony Holzman 979 00:47:15,026 --> 00:47:19,026 Speaker 1: s Coran. Now, Tony is star researcher at the NFL Network, 980 00:47:19,066 --> 00:47:21,266 Speaker 1: and he is so much more. But one of Tony's 981 00:47:21,306 --> 00:47:23,706 Speaker 1: greatest qualities is that he makes me smarter. He sends 982 00:47:23,746 --> 00:47:25,866 Speaker 1: email he's like, hey, did you know this? And during 983 00:47:25,906 --> 00:47:28,746 Speaker 1: the combine in the draft, he's got all the information. Tony, 984 00:47:28,826 --> 00:47:31,786 Speaker 1: what's good? Hey, what's up? Strikes you are far too kind, 985 00:47:31,866 --> 00:47:35,626 Speaker 1: but I appreciate you. Yeah, all right, Well let's take 986 00:47:35,666 --> 00:47:37,746 Speaker 1: the compliments and let's keep on rolling because we're about 987 00:47:37,746 --> 00:47:42,146 Speaker 1: to get negative. Make me smarter. I know I've seen 988 00:47:42,306 --> 00:47:46,186 Speaker 1: Brady have some bad games, but like I never is 989 00:47:46,226 --> 00:47:48,626 Speaker 1: this the worst we've seen Tom Brady. I mean, it's 990 00:47:48,666 --> 00:47:51,266 Speaker 1: definitely the worst start he's had as far as win 991 00:47:51,386 --> 00:47:53,426 Speaker 1: loss record since two thousand and two, which was his 992 00:47:53,586 --> 00:47:56,466 Speaker 1: only true non playoff season as a starter, excluding two 993 00:47:56,466 --> 00:47:57,826 Speaker 1: thousand and eight when he had the knee injury in 994 00:47:57,826 --> 00:48:00,706 Speaker 1: Week one. And Brady's averaging his fewest past touchdowns per 995 00:48:00,786 --> 00:48:03,946 Speaker 1: game since becoming a starter. So it hasn't been the 996 00:48:04,066 --> 00:48:06,946 Speaker 1: greatest start down to Tampa Bay, like you alluded to. Yeah, 997 00:48:07,026 --> 00:48:09,586 Speaker 1: so let's ask about that because I watched these games 998 00:48:09,626 --> 00:48:12,786 Speaker 1: and it's like, it's not like Brady's getting like it's 999 00:48:13,026 --> 00:48:15,026 Speaker 1: it's not the Joe Burrow the first two weeks where 1000 00:48:15,106 --> 00:48:16,786 Speaker 1: Burrow's running like a chicken with his head cut off 1001 00:48:16,786 --> 00:48:18,786 Speaker 1: because the offensive line can't protect them. It's not like 1002 00:48:18,906 --> 00:48:21,146 Speaker 1: it's you see some of these other teams at the 1003 00:48:21,186 --> 00:48:24,906 Speaker 1: offensive line, it's just an absolute sieve. Brady's looking like 1004 00:48:24,946 --> 00:48:27,666 Speaker 1: he's got time in the pocket and then he's just misfiring. 1005 00:48:27,786 --> 00:48:31,506 Speaker 1: So make me smarter, Like, what the hell's going on? Well, 1006 00:48:31,626 --> 00:48:33,746 Speaker 1: The offensive line did go through a lot of changes 1007 00:48:33,786 --> 00:48:35,946 Speaker 1: this year as we saw like the interior offensive line 1008 00:48:35,986 --> 00:48:38,906 Speaker 1: get decimated with Ali Marpet retiring, Alex Kappa going to 1009 00:48:38,986 --> 00:48:41,146 Speaker 1: the Bengals, and then Ryan Jensen suffering that serious and 1010 00:48:41,186 --> 00:48:45,186 Speaker 1: the injury and training camp. But where Brady's been struggling 1011 00:48:45,426 --> 00:48:47,826 Speaker 1: the most is under pressure. Last season, he has had 1012 00:48:47,826 --> 00:48:49,706 Speaker 1: the fifth highest PAS rating under pressure in the NFL 1013 00:48:49,746 --> 00:48:51,826 Speaker 1: according to our in house next Gent stats which I 1014 00:48:51,826 --> 00:48:54,906 Speaker 1: always gotta plug love next Gen stats. This season, he 1015 00:48:54,946 --> 00:48:58,226 Speaker 1: has the third lowest passer rating under pressure. He literally, 1016 00:48:58,426 --> 00:49:00,986 Speaker 1: if he threw every one of his passing attempts under 1017 00:49:01,026 --> 00:49:03,826 Speaker 1: pressure into the stands, he would have the same passer 1018 00:49:03,906 --> 00:49:05,866 Speaker 1: rating that he has right now. So it hasn't been 1019 00:49:05,906 --> 00:49:08,506 Speaker 1: going great under pressure for Brady. Wow, So what is it? 1020 00:49:08,626 --> 00:49:11,666 Speaker 1: Give us the numbers? Like, if you throw only in completions, 1021 00:49:12,186 --> 00:49:14,066 Speaker 1: you have a pass rating of thirty nine point six. 1022 00:49:14,666 --> 00:49:16,106 Speaker 1: You can't get any lower than that if you don't 1023 00:49:16,146 --> 00:49:18,666 Speaker 1: throw picks and you're just only throw in completions. Brady'sasser 1024 00:49:18,706 --> 00:49:20,746 Speaker 1: rating under pressure this season is thirty nine points six. 1025 00:49:22,306 --> 00:49:24,146 Speaker 1: All right, So part of me, part of me wants 1026 00:49:24,146 --> 00:49:27,466 Speaker 1: to say, Okay, they play Thursday night Brady gets a win, 1027 00:49:27,666 --> 00:49:30,026 Speaker 1: suddenly they're back in first place. And here we go, 1028 00:49:30,066 --> 00:49:31,626 Speaker 1: we're on this run and we all look stupid and 1029 00:49:31,666 --> 00:49:33,626 Speaker 1: there's egg on our face for even doubting him. Then 1030 00:49:33,746 --> 00:49:36,746 Speaker 1: part of me is like, it's going through a personal 1031 00:49:36,826 --> 00:49:40,386 Speaker 1: situation with his marriage. The gronk's not there, the offensive 1032 00:49:40,386 --> 00:49:42,746 Speaker 1: line sucks. If you were to bet, do you think 1033 00:49:42,786 --> 00:49:44,786 Speaker 1: Brady turns us around and it's the old Brady or 1034 00:49:44,826 --> 00:49:47,346 Speaker 1: do you think Tony Based on the numbers and based 1035 00:49:47,386 --> 00:49:50,706 Speaker 1: on what you see, Hey, there's a cliff and Tom 1036 00:49:50,746 --> 00:49:53,426 Speaker 1: Brady's fallen off it. I mean, I want to preface 1037 00:49:53,426 --> 00:49:56,346 Speaker 1: this by saying, we're talking about seven times Super Bowl champion, 1038 00:49:56,426 --> 00:49:59,866 Speaker 1: greatest resume in NFL history, forty five year old dude 1039 00:49:59,906 --> 00:50:04,706 Speaker 1: who's playing with dudes who could be his son. But 1040 00:50:05,146 --> 00:50:07,506 Speaker 1: Brady is the least pressure quarterback in the NFL, even 1041 00:50:07,506 --> 00:50:09,586 Speaker 1: though we're talking about bad pressure. But it's because he 1042 00:50:09,706 --> 00:50:11,586 Speaker 1: has to get the ball out faster than any quarterback 1043 00:50:11,586 --> 00:50:14,306 Speaker 1: in the NFL. His average time to throw is two 1044 00:50:14,346 --> 00:50:17,106 Speaker 1: point four seconds, which is faster than what next gen 1045 00:50:17,186 --> 00:50:20,066 Speaker 1: SATs defines his quick passes. But the quick passes have 1046 00:50:20,226 --> 00:50:21,866 Speaker 1: still kind of been there. He has seven of his 1047 00:50:21,946 --> 00:50:24,826 Speaker 1: eight passing touchdowns on those throws this season. But it's 1048 00:50:24,906 --> 00:50:27,626 Speaker 1: those longer developing players that Brady hasn't been hitting on 1049 00:50:27,746 --> 00:50:29,946 Speaker 1: this year. Over the last two seasons, when he had 1050 00:50:29,986 --> 00:50:32,386 Speaker 1: forty touchdowns in each of those years, he led the 1051 00:50:32,506 --> 00:50:35,226 Speaker 1: NFL and pass touchdowns and in rhythm throws, which is 1052 00:50:35,266 --> 00:50:38,626 Speaker 1: basically that sweet spot between quick passes and extended throws. 1053 00:50:38,946 --> 00:50:41,306 Speaker 1: This season, he has no touchdowns on those passes. The 1054 00:50:41,466 --> 00:50:44,066 Speaker 1: thing that worries me is the Buccaneers rush offense. They've 1055 00:50:44,106 --> 00:50:45,386 Speaker 1: never been a team to run a ball a lot. 1056 00:50:45,466 --> 00:50:48,346 Speaker 1: The problem is this year they're averaging sixty four yards 1057 00:50:48,386 --> 00:50:51,066 Speaker 1: a game. That's not only the fewest in the NFL 1058 00:50:51,186 --> 00:50:53,706 Speaker 1: this season, if that continued, it would be the fewest 1059 00:50:53,746 --> 00:50:55,746 Speaker 1: by any team in the Super Bowl era since nineteen 1060 00:50:55,786 --> 00:50:57,826 Speaker 1: sixty six. That is a bad thing. They don't run 1061 00:50:57,906 --> 00:50:59,346 Speaker 1: the ball and they're bad at it when they run 1062 00:50:59,386 --> 00:51:02,586 Speaker 1: the ball. This has also contributed to their third down 1063 00:51:02,626 --> 00:51:05,146 Speaker 1: percentage of being down by like ten points this year. Huge. 1064 00:51:05,146 --> 00:51:06,346 Speaker 1: I mean, if you can't run the ball, you can 1065 00:51:06,546 --> 00:51:07,866 Speaker 1: get ahead of the change like it's harder in the 1066 00:51:07,946 --> 00:51:09,986 Speaker 1: NFL when you have third and long. Those those things 1067 00:51:10,026 --> 00:51:11,586 Speaker 1: are definitely concerned to me. But I will say this, 1068 00:51:11,786 --> 00:51:14,826 Speaker 1: I'm never going to root against Tom Brady. Done it before, 1069 00:51:15,066 --> 00:51:17,346 Speaker 1: not rooting? Are you picking against him? Forget rooting. I 1070 00:51:17,386 --> 00:51:19,946 Speaker 1: don't care about your your fan name. Yeah I missed, 1071 00:51:20,066 --> 00:51:23,546 Speaker 1: I'm I missed at that. I'm not even a Patriots fan, 1072 00:51:23,986 --> 00:51:26,946 Speaker 1: but I'm not I'm not ever betting against Tom Brady. 1073 00:51:27,106 --> 00:51:30,306 Speaker 1: Got it turning it around because we've all bet against 1074 00:51:30,386 --> 00:51:32,986 Speaker 1: him before and saw him in twenty nineteen like is 1075 00:51:33,026 --> 00:51:35,626 Speaker 1: it over? Yep? Like is it over? And then he 1076 00:51:35,746 --> 00:51:38,626 Speaker 1: won Super Bowl. There was an America's Game I guess 1077 00:51:38,666 --> 00:51:41,106 Speaker 1: it was. It must have been the twenty nineteen team 1078 00:51:41,146 --> 00:51:44,586 Speaker 1: when they beat the Rams. And half of that America's 1079 00:51:44,666 --> 00:51:47,546 Speaker 1: Game series is just me and Nate burrel issing, crapping 1080 00:51:47,586 --> 00:51:49,626 Speaker 1: all over the Patriots and then like they would cut 1081 00:51:49,666 --> 00:51:51,506 Speaker 1: to us on Good Morning Football and then show them 1082 00:51:51,986 --> 00:51:53,786 Speaker 1: like rallying and winning, and I was like, oh, thanks, 1083 00:51:53,866 --> 00:51:56,306 Speaker 1: NFL Films, gonna put me in a good spot. I'm 1084 00:51:56,346 --> 00:51:59,826 Speaker 1: not doubting Brady either, but seven weeks a pretty good 1085 00:51:59,826 --> 00:52:02,346 Speaker 1: sample size. I'll check in after ten weeks if it 1086 00:52:02,466 --> 00:52:04,146 Speaker 1: doesn't get gone. I don't think it's suddenly going to 1087 00:52:04,186 --> 00:52:06,826 Speaker 1: magically happen for sure, Thanksgiving. Is it like at that 1088 00:52:07,026 --> 00:52:09,586 Speaker 1: line of what team are you? Who are you? This year? 1089 00:52:10,386 --> 00:52:12,106 Speaker 1: There's a big matchup with the Mark coming up, which 1090 00:52:12,146 --> 00:52:14,386 Speaker 1: is two quarterbacks who should probably be better in the 1091 00:52:14,426 --> 00:52:16,986 Speaker 1: win loss record than they are this season. Yeah, Tony, 1092 00:52:17,026 --> 00:52:18,706 Speaker 1: you always win. Thank you for making me smarter. I 1093 00:52:18,746 --> 00:52:20,746 Speaker 1: appreciate you for having me shrinks for I really do. 1094 00:52:21,506 --> 00:52:24,066 Speaker 1: Every week on this podcast, I'm gonna bring on one 1095 00:52:24,106 --> 00:52:27,266 Speaker 1: of my personal friends, either someone in the NFL world 1096 00:52:27,386 --> 00:52:30,026 Speaker 1: or someone that is like a real friend, a guy 1097 00:52:30,146 --> 00:52:32,666 Speaker 1: that I've known since high school or college, and they're 1098 00:52:32,706 --> 00:52:35,386 Speaker 1: gonna give me a take. And this particular one is 1099 00:52:35,426 --> 00:52:38,186 Speaker 1: one of my best friends, Noah. Noah and I went 1100 00:52:38,266 --> 00:52:42,226 Speaker 1: to college together at Emory University. Noah's like the first 1101 00:52:42,266 --> 00:52:44,786 Speaker 1: guy I met on campus. He was a Jersey Shore guy, 1102 00:52:44,906 --> 00:52:46,586 Speaker 1: just like me. We were living in Atlanta, we had 1103 00:52:46,626 --> 00:52:48,466 Speaker 1: no idea what was going on down there, and we 1104 00:52:48,546 --> 00:52:51,706 Speaker 1: have been best friends ever since. Noah listened to the 1105 00:52:51,746 --> 00:52:54,986 Speaker 1: Paul Rudd podcast and he heard something that he had 1106 00:52:55,066 --> 00:52:57,746 Speaker 1: to respond to. Let's toss to Paul Rudd last week 1107 00:52:58,146 --> 00:53:01,626 Speaker 1: talking about Aaron Judge's sixty first home run ball and 1108 00:53:01,746 --> 00:53:06,706 Speaker 1: what happened to it. Sarah speaking of Sarah's Sarah Walsh, Yeah, 1109 00:53:06,746 --> 00:53:10,826 Speaker 1: whose husband caught the ball? Yes, Matt Bushman, Matt Bushman 1110 00:53:11,026 --> 00:53:13,026 Speaker 1: to just give the ball back? Do we have to 1111 00:53:13,026 --> 00:53:15,226 Speaker 1: tell the story? Okay? So here's seven. Uh. Sarah Wall, 1112 00:53:15,306 --> 00:53:18,186 Speaker 1: she was an announcer on NFL Network or reporter. She's great, 1113 00:53:18,906 --> 00:53:20,946 Speaker 1: has filled in on Good Morning Football multiple times. I 1114 00:53:20,986 --> 00:53:22,306 Speaker 1: know it's a story, it's a it's a it's a 1115 00:53:22,506 --> 00:53:24,786 Speaker 1: it's a weird of a context. But let's explain it. Well. 1116 00:53:24,906 --> 00:53:27,386 Speaker 1: When Aaron Judge hit me and tied the record, right, 1117 00:53:27,866 --> 00:53:31,026 Speaker 1: Her husband is the bullpen coach of the Toronto Blue 1118 00:53:31,066 --> 00:53:33,466 Speaker 1: Jays and had the ball in his hand, the number 1119 00:53:33,546 --> 00:53:36,306 Speaker 1: sixty two, and he gave the ball back to Aaron 1120 00:53:36,426 --> 00:53:39,586 Speaker 1: Judge then gave it to his mom and sixty one 1121 00:53:39,666 --> 00:53:42,826 Speaker 1: and uh and um and there was a big you know, 1122 00:53:44,866 --> 00:53:48,066 Speaker 1: absolutely what a cool move. And I would like to 1123 00:53:48,106 --> 00:53:51,906 Speaker 1: shout out that guy for doing the right thing. Way 1124 00:53:51,946 --> 00:53:56,146 Speaker 1: to go, Sarah, props to your husband. Good for you 1125 00:53:56,386 --> 00:53:59,666 Speaker 1: and you two Yes, great moments in NFL Network history. 1126 00:53:59,946 --> 00:54:02,626 Speaker 1: My boy Noah is listening to the podcast. He fired 1127 00:54:02,666 --> 00:54:05,626 Speaker 1: off a text to the group chat ladies, gentlemen, my 1128 00:54:05,706 --> 00:54:09,146 Speaker 1: man Noah no please respond and give us your take, Peter, 1129 00:54:09,426 --> 00:54:12,826 Speaker 1: I'm cringing over here. I'm cringing over here. So uh, 1130 00:54:13,266 --> 00:54:16,066 Speaker 1: let me start off by saying, no one knows plad 1131 00:54:16,106 --> 00:54:19,746 Speaker 1: more than me. Okay, one more than me? All right? 1132 00:54:19,826 --> 00:54:23,786 Speaker 1: His work as Josh and clueless, I mean an aspiring 1133 00:54:23,946 --> 00:54:27,826 Speaker 1: lawyer that like gets the girls song to it. I 1134 00:54:27,906 --> 00:54:31,266 Speaker 1: mean as a lawyer myself. He made being a lawyer 1135 00:54:31,546 --> 00:54:34,986 Speaker 1: an attractive thing to be for every women woman that 1136 00:54:35,066 --> 00:54:36,786 Speaker 1: came of age in the nineteen nineties, and I am 1137 00:54:36,786 --> 00:54:44,586 Speaker 1: forever grateful for that. But however, however, however, in talking 1138 00:54:44,826 --> 00:54:49,586 Speaker 1: about this home run ball, okay, he used two words 1139 00:54:49,666 --> 00:54:52,186 Speaker 1: in that clip you played that really stuck in my crop. Okay, 1140 00:54:52,266 --> 00:54:55,546 Speaker 1: And those two words were right thing. Okay. He said 1141 00:54:55,586 --> 00:54:58,946 Speaker 1: that Bushman did the quote right thing. I would like 1142 00:54:59,026 --> 00:55:02,186 Speaker 1: to shout out that guy for doing the right thing. Now, 1143 00:55:03,186 --> 00:55:07,506 Speaker 1: maybe for aunt Man or you know, I'm a former 1144 00:55:07,666 --> 00:55:11,706 Speaker 1: MLB star married to one of your NFL colleagues. They 1145 00:55:11,786 --> 00:55:14,786 Speaker 1: can give away a two million dollar lotting ticket and 1146 00:55:14,906 --> 00:55:17,306 Speaker 1: it's the right thing to do. But but for me, 1147 00:55:17,666 --> 00:55:19,906 Speaker 1: and you know me, Peter, I'm a man of the people, 1148 00:55:19,986 --> 00:55:21,786 Speaker 1: if anything, a man of the people, A man of 1149 00:55:21,866 --> 00:55:24,826 Speaker 1: the people, Okay, speak for the common man, the common man. 1150 00:55:24,986 --> 00:55:28,186 Speaker 1: And what I'm worried about is when it's not you know, 1151 00:55:28,706 --> 00:55:32,026 Speaker 1: Phoebe's boyfriend that gets the ball here, but it's some 1152 00:55:32,666 --> 00:55:36,586 Speaker 1: you know, random, some kid, some average joe who gets 1153 00:55:36,666 --> 00:55:40,466 Speaker 1: the next valuable ball. Is this innocent person. Is this 1154 00:55:40,706 --> 00:55:45,266 Speaker 1: Joe the plumber gonna be harassed and harangue because he 1155 00:55:45,386 --> 00:55:48,626 Speaker 1: didn't do the quote right thing? Okay? So I'm looking 1156 00:55:48,626 --> 00:55:50,266 Speaker 1: out for the people, and you know that am not me. 1157 00:55:51,106 --> 00:55:53,066 Speaker 1: I do think that like here we are, we're all 1158 00:55:53,586 --> 00:55:56,386 Speaker 1: Pollyanna here. You know, I don't care how much money 1159 00:55:56,626 --> 00:55:59,106 Speaker 1: you know, Bushman and Walsh have as a collective, as 1160 00:55:59,146 --> 00:56:01,546 Speaker 1: a couple. You gave away a million dollars right there. 1161 00:56:01,586 --> 00:56:03,186 Speaker 1: You just gave away for what for his mommy to 1162 00:56:03,266 --> 00:56:06,186 Speaker 1: have it exactly. It's it's a crazy thing to do. 1163 00:56:06,426 --> 00:56:10,306 Speaker 1: I mean, Judge is obviously he's obviously doing okay for himself, 1164 00:56:10,426 --> 00:56:13,066 Speaker 1: we can say. But let me ask you a question, Peter, 1165 00:56:13,146 --> 00:56:14,626 Speaker 1: when you were a kid, you'd go to you'd go 1166 00:56:14,706 --> 00:56:16,906 Speaker 1: to baseball games, I assume every now and then, and 1167 00:56:17,386 --> 00:56:20,226 Speaker 1: would you maybe take your baseball glove, your mitt, bringing 1168 00:56:20,266 --> 00:56:22,026 Speaker 1: a mint, you bring the mat, and why would you 1169 00:56:22,066 --> 00:56:24,826 Speaker 1: bring the mint, Why would you want you want the 1170 00:56:24,986 --> 00:56:27,466 Speaker 1: ball you just in case there's a ball you have. 1171 00:56:27,586 --> 00:56:29,386 Speaker 1: You go to the game with a with a dream 1172 00:56:29,706 --> 00:56:33,186 Speaker 1: that you're gonna catch that ball. Okay, you do that 1173 00:56:33,346 --> 00:56:35,986 Speaker 1: because there's a social contract that we've all entered into 1174 00:56:36,066 --> 00:56:38,106 Speaker 1: when we go to an with the MLB that when 1175 00:56:38,146 --> 00:56:40,786 Speaker 1: you catch that ball, it is your ball. Imagine because 1176 00:56:40,826 --> 00:56:42,746 Speaker 1: you go to the game, you catch that ball, and 1177 00:56:42,786 --> 00:56:45,266 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now Paul Rudd has told the 1178 00:56:45,306 --> 00:56:47,266 Speaker 1: world that's the right thing. You gotta give it back. 1179 00:56:47,346 --> 00:56:49,266 Speaker 1: I can't stand for that, Peter, you know that I'm 1180 00:56:49,266 --> 00:56:51,146 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna go one step further. Last year, Mike 1181 00:56:51,226 --> 00:56:55,426 Speaker 1: Evans catches a touchdown pass and throws it into the 1182 00:56:55,506 --> 00:56:58,146 Speaker 1: stands and the guy in the stands gives it back 1183 00:56:58,186 --> 00:57:01,026 Speaker 1: to the Buccaneers and the exchange gets like a signed 1184 00:57:01,386 --> 00:57:03,386 Speaker 1: Tom Brady jersey, and everyone's like, well, that was a 1185 00:57:03,466 --> 00:57:05,906 Speaker 1: good story. You know you and I were texting. Then 1186 00:57:06,106 --> 00:57:08,346 Speaker 1: you are outrage that that guy. Yeah, I see it. 1187 00:57:08,426 --> 00:57:10,106 Speaker 1: I see it all the time, Peter, and I don't 1188 00:57:10,146 --> 00:57:12,866 Speaker 1: like it. And I don't like it. Listen, if that 1189 00:57:13,146 --> 00:57:15,346 Speaker 1: is your listen, if you want to give it back, 1190 00:57:15,426 --> 00:57:18,786 Speaker 1: that's your prerogative. I'm gonna question you. I might not 1191 00:57:19,546 --> 00:57:22,266 Speaker 1: trust you with my finances if you're making these decisions, 1192 00:57:22,386 --> 00:57:26,186 Speaker 1: that's up to you. But but yeah, like, if it's me, listen, 1193 00:57:26,226 --> 00:57:28,706 Speaker 1: I'm taking the two million dollars, okay, and I'll go 1194 00:57:28,786 --> 00:57:32,546 Speaker 1: into my grave having not done the right thing. I'll 1195 00:57:32,586 --> 00:57:36,146 Speaker 1: live with it. You're right, you know, the Marvel universe 1196 00:57:36,306 --> 00:57:38,186 Speaker 1: might make it a different decision for some people. But 1197 00:57:38,266 --> 00:57:39,946 Speaker 1: I'm with you, man, I don't know that'd be a 1198 00:57:40,026 --> 00:57:43,866 Speaker 1: real moral and ethical debate. Like what because Aaron Judge 1199 00:57:43,906 --> 00:57:46,466 Speaker 1: gets it handed to his mother and everyone says, oh, 1200 00:57:46,466 --> 00:57:47,946 Speaker 1: that's a nice one that we all forget about the 1201 00:57:48,026 --> 00:57:51,826 Speaker 1: next day. Matt Bushman, he's sitting there all right, back 1202 00:57:51,866 --> 00:57:53,826 Speaker 1: to job, and I just gave away a million dollars. 1203 00:57:53,866 --> 00:57:56,986 Speaker 1: Do I get up pat in the back every single day? No? Does? 1204 00:57:57,106 --> 00:57:59,466 Speaker 1: Does Matt Bushman not have car payments to make? I mean, 1205 00:57:59,546 --> 00:58:01,386 Speaker 1: come on, give a guy a break, let him let 1206 00:58:01,466 --> 00:58:05,146 Speaker 1: him collect this, collect it all right. So the take 1207 00:58:05,226 --> 00:58:07,986 Speaker 1: here is that we are not for shaming those who 1208 00:58:08,146 --> 00:58:11,026 Speaker 1: do not give back the record breaking ball to the 1209 00:58:11,186 --> 00:58:14,866 Speaker 1: athlete or to the athlete's mother. Yeah, that's exactly right. 1210 00:58:14,906 --> 00:58:17,106 Speaker 1: I don't want to get into an ethical argument about 1211 00:58:17,146 --> 00:58:18,706 Speaker 1: the you know, John Stuart Mill and you two the 1212 00:58:18,866 --> 00:58:21,986 Speaker 1: terriyanism with Paul Rodd here, but I would I would 1213 00:58:22,146 --> 00:58:24,186 Speaker 1: ask him to go to a little self reflection on 1214 00:58:24,506 --> 00:58:27,786 Speaker 1: what makes it the quote right thing? Okay, I love 1215 00:58:27,866 --> 00:58:31,666 Speaker 1: you dude, you nailed it. Incredible, Noah, thank you, thank you, 1216 00:58:31,866 --> 00:58:34,266 Speaker 1: thank you. This is a dream, a dream to be on. 1217 00:58:34,426 --> 00:58:36,506 Speaker 1: This is my sixty first home run ball, so thank 1218 00:58:36,546 --> 00:58:38,666 Speaker 1: you for making it. And I'm not gonna rob you 1219 00:58:38,786 --> 00:58:41,106 Speaker 1: of it. Awesome and there you have it. That's what 1220 00:58:41,186 --> 00:58:44,546 Speaker 1: this podcast is. It's takes on, takes on takes, it's 1221 00:58:44,666 --> 00:58:47,946 Speaker 1: insight and today I can't thank our guests enough. Ken 1222 00:58:48,066 --> 00:58:51,226 Speaker 1: Dorsey incredible. He's gonna be in the running for a 1223 00:58:51,306 --> 00:58:52,986 Speaker 1: lot of head coaching jobs. You got to know him 1224 00:58:53,026 --> 00:58:55,386 Speaker 1: first on this podcast. I thought he was wonderful. And 1225 00:58:55,706 --> 00:58:57,666 Speaker 1: I'll go down to Coral Gables in the early two 1226 00:58:57,706 --> 00:59:00,106 Speaker 1: thousands on Memory Lane anytime you want to talk ed Reid, 1227 00:59:00,146 --> 00:59:03,626 Speaker 1: Sean Taylor, and Jeremy Shockey, Tony our guy from the 1228 00:59:03,706 --> 00:59:07,106 Speaker 1: NFL research department, explaining that Brady is as bad as 1229 00:59:07,106 --> 00:59:09,826 Speaker 1: it looks. And then of course my boy Noah coming in. 1230 00:59:10,066 --> 00:59:13,106 Speaker 1: But you know, Aaron, I ask you three for three. 1231 00:59:13,146 --> 00:59:14,826 Speaker 1: I feel like this podcast was a home run. That 1232 00:59:14,986 --> 00:59:16,786 Speaker 1: was great. Yeah, it was not the take I was 1233 00:59:16,866 --> 00:59:19,146 Speaker 1: expecting when you said you wanted to talk about Aaron Judge, 1234 00:59:19,266 --> 00:59:22,386 Speaker 1: and it was great. I loved it. There we go, guys, 1235 00:59:22,506 --> 00:59:24,946 Speaker 1: till next week. Thanks for listening. It's the Season with 1236 00:59:25,106 --> 00:59:28,906 Speaker 1: Peter Schreeger. Keep on subscribing, and please tell your friends. 1237 00:59:49,626 --> 00:59:52,306 Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Schreeger is a production of the 1238 00:59:52,506 --> 00:59:56,626 Speaker 1: NFL and partnership with iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iheartradiovi 1239 00:59:56,626 --> 01:00:00,426 Speaker 1: is it the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get 1240 01:00:00,506 --> 01:00:01,386 Speaker 1: your podcasts,