WEBVTT - 5. G-Men Are Coming to Town

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<v Speaker 1>Last time on Snapoo.

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<v Speaker 2>We had picked the time to begin the actual action,

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<v Speaker 2>timing it to begin with the Ali Fraser fight.

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<v Speaker 3>So I went to the door, mister confident, and there's

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<v Speaker 3>a second lock on the door that wasn't there like

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<v Speaker 3>two weeks before.

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<v Speaker 4>We got this far, and we're just not going to

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<v Speaker 4>give up. And that's when I remembered the second door.

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<v Speaker 5>Who anonymous.

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<v Speaker 4>I was really jacked up. Can you believe it? We

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<v Speaker 4>pulled it off without a single hitch?

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<v Speaker 6>Now, were you the first to a rhyme the morning?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, about seven seven thirty in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Frank McLaughlin was an FBI agent based in Media, Pennsylvania,

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy one. On March ninth of that year,

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<v Speaker 1>he was the first one to arrive for work, where

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<v Speaker 1>his investigative acumen immediately told him is something wasn't right.

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<v Speaker 7>I could tell the lock had been tampered with. I

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<v Speaker 7>could tell by looking at it. So then I automatically

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<v Speaker 7>looked at the second door, and that was that.

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<v Speaker 8>You are.

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<v Speaker 7>What do you think I suspected that there was a Berkeley?

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, yeah, I've been in this business a lot

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<v Speaker 7>of years.

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<v Speaker 1>Inside, he astutely noted a few more telltale clues. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>all of the documents in the entire office were missing.

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<v Speaker 7>The doors were open and the files were gone. And

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<v Speaker 7>I walked into my office a destroyers were rifled. It's

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<v Speaker 7>a place that was ramsacked.

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<v Speaker 1>From there, a series of bewildered g men passed the

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<v Speaker 1>message up the chain of command. Before Whover even arrived

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<v Speaker 1>at his office that morning, his underlings had already enlisted

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<v Speaker 1>one of his most trusted agents, Deputy Associate Director Mark Felt.

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<v Speaker 1>If that name sounds familiar, it's because a few years later,

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<v Speaker 1>Felt would leak evidence about Watergate to the Washington Post.

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<v Speaker 1>For that he's better known to the world as Deep Throat.

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<v Speaker 6>That was after a famous porn movie at the.

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<v Speaker 1>Time, Thanks Betty. Anyway, in nineteen seventy one, Felt was

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<v Speaker 1>a highly respected g man, the kind the other g

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<v Speaker 1>men turned to when the unthinkable happened.

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<v Speaker 6>Mark Felt was in New York and he was shaving

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<v Speaker 6>in his hotel room when he got a call telling

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<v Speaker 6>him that there was an emergency in the FBI.

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<v Speaker 1>Felt canceled his meetings in New York. He caught the

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<v Speaker 1>next train down to Philadelphia. He hustled from Philly's thirtieth

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<v Speaker 1>Street station to the FBI office at one Veteran Square

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<v Speaker 1>in Media. He strode into the office, took charge, and

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<v Speaker 1>immediately got to work covering his own ass.

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<v Speaker 6>So when Mark Felt arrived that morning, he immediately focused

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<v Speaker 6>on the safe in the office.

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<v Speaker 1>That safe was the only unburgled thing in the whole office.

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<v Speaker 1>It contained the agent's firearms, but no files.

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<v Speaker 6>He thought that this was ridiculous, this is where the

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<v Speaker 6>papers should have been kept.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, funny thing about that the lead agent and media

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<v Speaker 1>had put in a request for a larger safe just

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<v Speaker 1>the year before. He specifically noted that not having one

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<v Speaker 1>left his office vulnerable to burglars. That request landed on

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<v Speaker 1>the desk of Deputy Associate Director Mark Felt.

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<v Speaker 6>The other thing that he asked Felt for was an

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<v Speaker 6>alarm system, an alarm system that would be connected to

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<v Speaker 6>the police. Felt had turned him down on both of

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<v Speaker 6>these things. When he asked why they couldn't have an

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<v Speaker 6>alarm system, he said that they were so close to

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<v Speaker 6>the local police station that that just wasn't necessary.

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<v Speaker 1>You're close to a police station. If you get burgled,

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<v Speaker 1>just scream, they'll hear you.

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<v Speaker 6>And instead of a very large safe, he provided them

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<v Speaker 6>with a very small safe.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll never know. I Felt realized in that moment that

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<v Speaker 1>this whole snapfoo was kind of his fault. But before

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<v Speaker 1>he got to work searching for the culprits, he found

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<v Speaker 1>something more important, someone to take the fall the lead

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<v Speaker 1>agent in Media, who was sadly reassigned to Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 6>Hoover, urged by Mark Felt, had gotten rid of the

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<v Speaker 6>person in the office who knew the most about the

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<v Speaker 6>area and probably could have been most helpful in conducting

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<v Speaker 6>the investigation. Instead of Deep Throat, they were considering a

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<v Speaker 6>nickname that morning. It would be deep Scapegoader.

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<v Speaker 1>Suffice to to say, this was not the FBI's finest hour.

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<v Speaker 1>A reporter later described Hoover as quote apoplectic when he

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<v Speaker 1>heard about the burglary. Within hours, the director had assigned

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<v Speaker 1>over two hundred agents to a new operation to track

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<v Speaker 1>down and arrest the culprits. The secret code name for

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<v Speaker 1>this operation medburgh medburg.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean it was just a combination of media, meed,

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<v Speaker 6>and burglary.

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<v Speaker 1>What a cute portmanteau. For the first time in its history,

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<v Speaker 1>classified Bureau documents had fallen into outside hands, but for now,

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<v Speaker 1>at least those documents remained secret. Hoover's FBI was in

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<v Speaker 1>a race against the clock, and the orders were clear,

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<v Speaker 1>find these anonymous burglars before an embarrassment became a catastrophe.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Ed Helms and this is Snafu, a show about

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<v Speaker 1>history's greatest screw ups. This is Season two Medburg the

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<v Speaker 1>story of a daring heist and the colossal FBI snaffoo

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<v Speaker 1>it exposed. Today, the FBI hunts the burglars Todd.

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<v Speaker 5>Haof Hao.

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<v Speaker 1>In the dead of night, hours before Frank McLaughlin would

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<v Speaker 1>even discover the crime scene. The burglars sat in a

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<v Speaker 1>Quaker farmhouse in the Pennsylvania Woods with pages and pages

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<v Speaker 1>of loot. As the adrenaline wore off, it was time

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<v Speaker 1>to see what they had scored. They separated the documents

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<v Speaker 1>into piles and dug in.

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<v Speaker 9>I think we all trusted each other to know what

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<v Speaker 9>was important and what wasn't. Judy and I worked together.

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<v Speaker 9>They had a little shed off of the main cabin.

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<v Speaker 9>But I remember Judy and I spending a lot of

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<v Speaker 9>time in that shed and holding hands and but working too.

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<v Speaker 10>I thought it was very romantic to go through the

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<v Speaker 10>files and decide, you know, which ones you weren't gonna copy.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, some files were boring and some were strange, like

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<v Speaker 11>the memo that informed overweight agents they'd be subject to

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<v Speaker 11>weekly weigh ins until they lost the extra pounds, or

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<v Speaker 11>the one that instructed agents on the proper protocol for

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<v Speaker 11>observing j Edgar Hoover's birthday. Who would have guessed this

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<v Speaker 11>guy was more of a birthday diva than my five

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<v Speaker 11>year old niece. An hour passed, and the burglars were

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<v Speaker 11>undoubtedly feeling nervous that they had just risked everything to

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<v Speaker 11>steal a bunch of nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>And then.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember someone in the other room said, you've got

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<v Speaker 4>to come and see this.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole team stopped what they were doing and gathered

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<v Speaker 1>around one document. Hearts pounding, they took turns reading. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a memo from headquarters to all FBI agents. The

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<v Speaker 1>memo instructed agents to conduct interviews with anti war activists,

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<v Speaker 1>not for the purpose of investigating any illegal activity, but

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<v Speaker 1>rather in.

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<v Speaker 4>Order to enhance the paranoia. They were to give the

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<v Speaker 4>impression that there was an FBI agent behind every mailbox.

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<v Speaker 10>And it was like, at last something, That's what they wanted.

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<v Speaker 10>They wanted people to think that there was a boogeyman

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<v Speaker 10>behind every mailbox.

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<v Speaker 6>We had some idea that this was pretty explosive.

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<v Speaker 1>They kept reading, and soon the floodgates opened.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just a constant stream of people saying, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 3>look at this, and then everybody would stop and look

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<v Speaker 3>up and they would read something, you know, and then

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of minutes later somebody would say, holy Macro,

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<v Speaker 3>you're not going to believe this.

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<v Speaker 1>One file detailed the movements and grades of a congressman's daughter.

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<v Speaker 12>The records indicated that during the spring semester of nineteen

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<v Speaker 12>sixty nine, she attended the AutoMac.

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<v Speaker 1>Who was being surveilled because she, like her parents, opposed

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<v Speaker 1>the Vietnam War.

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<v Speaker 12>Where major is fringe and as many courses.

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<v Speaker 1>Another conversation was picked up by a phone tap on

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<v Speaker 1>the Black Panther Party's Philadelphia office. The tap didn't appear

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<v Speaker 1>to have picked up anything illegal, but agents had taken

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<v Speaker 1>scrupulous notes. As one panther phoned his mom to ask

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<v Speaker 1>for bus fare, he.

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<v Speaker 12>Asked his mother to send him seventeen dollars to get home.

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<v Speaker 1>They'd also intercepted a letter from a Boy Scout troop

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<v Speaker 1>leader asking the Soviet embassy about the possibility of taking

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<v Speaker 1>his troop to Russia for a camping trip next summer.

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<v Speaker 12>We would like very much to go to the Soviet

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<v Speaker 12>Union to travel through your country and meet our counterparts

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<v Speaker 12>in the USSR, if possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Another file alleged quote communist infiltration of a local women's.

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<v Speaker 12>Group, Martin Luther King Junior, who will address the fiftieth

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<v Speaker 12>anniversary banquet?

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<v Speaker 1>Be the nature of that infiltration. Martin Luther King Junior

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<v Speaker 1>had been invited to speak at their upcoming banquet.

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<v Speaker 12>Copies of the names and biographical data are attached here too.

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<v Speaker 1>A local civil rights leader, Mohammad Kanyata, was also being surveiled.

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<v Speaker 12>There are two persons authorized to sign checks on this account,

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<v Speaker 12>and they are Mohammed Kanyata and Mary Kenyata.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, there was zero evidence of criminal activity in his file,

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<v Speaker 1>but the FBI had obtained records of his phone calls

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<v Speaker 1>and bank transactions.

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<v Speaker 12>The Peltan's account was forty four dollars and thirty two cents.

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<v Speaker 1>As they kept reading, the burglars realized banks, employers, landlords,

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<v Speaker 1>utility companies, local police, and individual busybodies had all happily

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<v Speaker 1>collaborated with the FBI to surveil their friends and associates,

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<v Speaker 1>no subpoenas, no warrants, and absolutely zero consideration for privacy.

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<v Speaker 12>Will continue to monitor bank account of National Black Economic

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<v Speaker 12>Development Conference in Southeast National Bank, followed by copies of

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<v Speaker 12>bank statements.

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<v Speaker 1>Kiseled chicks and While the targets ranged from women's lib

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<v Speaker 1>groups to boy Scout troops, the FBI was clearly preoccupied

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<v Speaker 1>with black activists. They weren't just tapping the phones of

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<v Speaker 1>the Black Panthers and leaders like Kenyata. Every single black

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<v Speaker 1>student at Swafmore College was under surveillance. When they finally

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<v Speaker 1>got through all the files, the burglars tallied up what

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<v Speaker 1>they'd found. Forty percent of the cases in the Media

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<v Speaker 1>office dealt with surveillance of legal political activity. By contrast,

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<v Speaker 1>investigations of murders, rapes, and interstate crimes constituted just twenty

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the files, and a measly one percent dealt

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<v Speaker 1>with organized crime. If the Media office was any indication,

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<v Speaker 1>spying on law abiding citizens was the FBI's number one priority,

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<v Speaker 1>The stolen files mostly FBI surveillance activity in the Philadelphia area.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, it was all horrifying. It was horrifying, but.

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<v Speaker 1>It was clear that the mandates were being sent to

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<v Speaker 1>FBI offices nationwide.

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<v Speaker 9>I think we all felt disgusted.

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<v Speaker 1>One memo came directly from Hoover, directing all offices to

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<v Speaker 1>surveil black student unions on every single college campus in

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<v Speaker 1>the country.

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<v Speaker 9>I had no particular admiration for the FBI at that point,

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<v Speaker 9>but that was a new low not even I had imagined.

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<v Speaker 1>And Hoover said their activity posed a quote definite threat

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<v Speaker 1>to the nation's stability and security. They didn't realize it yet,

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<v Speaker 1>but the single most important document the burglars had stolen

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<v Speaker 1>was a simple routing slip at the top in big

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<v Speaker 1>block letters was a code word, which at the time

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<v Speaker 1>meant nothing to the burglars. Co intel pro A single

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<v Speaker 1>code word on a single page in a mountain of files,

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<v Speaker 1>a needle in a haystack, A needle so dangerous that

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<v Speaker 1>Hoover was prepared to do anything to catch these burglars

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<v Speaker 1>before that code word could see the light of day.

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<v Speaker 8>I must have been about what six point thirty in

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<v Speaker 8>the morning, and I stopped to a paypall on at

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<v Speaker 8>Chestnut Hill at a gas station. The whole place was empty.

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<v Speaker 1>I before they could finally return home to their children.

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<v Speaker 1>John and Bonnie Rains had one more task. They pulled

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<v Speaker 1>up to a gas station and Bonnie waited in the

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<v Speaker 1>car as John made a phone call. In his hand

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<v Speaker 1>was a statement announcing what the Citizens Commissioned to Investigate

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI had just done.

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<v Speaker 8>We'd written a common statement and this was to be

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<v Speaker 8>read to the writer's fellow.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I was dead the phone.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Bill Winzel, the reuters fella, Yeah, the phone.

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<v Speaker 5>And the voice said, this is a Citizens Commission to

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<v Speaker 5>investigate the FBI. I thought, oh, this is going to

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<v Speaker 5>be interesting. Good Bill.

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<v Speaker 1>On the night of March eighth, nineteen seventy one, the

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<v Speaker 1>Citizens Commissioned to Investigate the FBI removed files from the

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<v Speaker 1>media Pennsylvania Office of the FBI. These files will now

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<v Speaker 1>be studied to determine the nature and extent of surveillance.

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<v Speaker 4>John was on the phone with the reporter reading the statement,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was waiting in the car and a police

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<v Speaker 4>car pulls up into the gas station. He was curious,

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<v Speaker 4>I guess about what we were doing at that time

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<v Speaker 4>of the night on a public phone.

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<v Speaker 1>The police car crept by. The officer peered at John.

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<v Speaker 1>John spotted the car, but he kept reading. His hand

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<v Speaker 1>trembled holding a piece of paper that contained his confession

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<v Speaker 1>to a federal.

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<v Speaker 4>Crime, and we just absolutely freaked out.

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<v Speaker 1>The police car kept moving and slowly drove away. John

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<v Speaker 1>continued reading, we have taken this action because we believe

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<v Speaker 1>that democracy can survive only in an order of justice,

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<v Speaker 1>of an open society and public trust. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>police car returned, driving even more slowly this time.

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<v Speaker 4>I was really afraid at that point, because John had

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<v Speaker 4>that piece of paper right there in front of him

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<v Speaker 4>in the phone booth.

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<v Speaker 1>She leaned over and banged on the window to get

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<v Speaker 1>John's attention, her expression clearly conveying a message every spouse understands,

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<v Speaker 1>hurry the up. But even with the cops checking him

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<v Speaker 1>out and Bonnie glaring at him, John dictated the entire letter.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a cover story just in case if the

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<v Speaker 1>police bothered him, he'd just pretend he was on the

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<v Speaker 1>phone with his bookie. He catched the fight last night.

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<v Speaker 1>Officer John continued reading the statement. In doing this, we

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<v Speaker 1>know full well the legal jeopardy in which we place ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>We feel most keenly our responsibilities to those who daily

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<v Speaker 1>depend on us, and whom we put in jeopardy by

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<v Speaker 1>our own jeopardy. But under the present circumstances, this seems

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<v Speaker 1>to us our best way of loving and serving them,

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<v Speaker 1>and in fact, all the people of this land, the

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<v Speaker 1>citizens commissioned to investigate the FBI. As John finished and

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<v Speaker 1>hung up the phone, the police car drove off and disappeared.

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<v Speaker 1>This time it did not come back. Mission accomplished, John

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<v Speaker 1>and Bonnie drove home.

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<v Speaker 4>We tore the statement up and threw it out the

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<v Speaker 4>window and went home to our kids.

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<v Speaker 1>As the scraps of paper fluttered to the ground, John

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<v Speaker 1>and Bonnie laughed with glee or perhaps sleep deprivation. Meanwhile, Bill,

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<v Speaker 1>the Reuter's fellow, was wide awake. He just had a

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<v Speaker 1>bombshell dropped right into his hands.

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<v Speaker 5>I knew I was going to have to call the

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<v Speaker 5>FBI to tell them I had gotten the call, and

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<v Speaker 5>I needed confirmation that all your files had been stole.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill expected the FBI to give him the run around,

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<v Speaker 1>or a simple no comment.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, they could have said what not answering questions,

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<v Speaker 5>but they didn't. They confirmed it, and trustfully, at this

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<v Speaker 5>point they're looking pretty bad.

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<v Speaker 1>He laughs now. But Bill would soon realize this phone

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<v Speaker 1>call made him a suspect. In the coming weeks, he'd

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<v Speaker 1>be stalked by FBI agents. According to him, one actually

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<v Speaker 1>punched him in the stomach. Bill could only corroborate basic

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<v Speaker 1>details with the FBI. His story ran in The New

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<v Speaker 1>York Times the next day, around fifty words in total,

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<v Speaker 1>buried on page seven. The story acknowledged that a burglary

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<v Speaker 1>had taken place, but said nothing about the nature of

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<v Speaker 1>the records that were stolen. Hoover still had time to

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<v Speaker 1>catch the burglars before they spilled his secrets. After the

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<v Speaker 1>burglars sorted through the files, it was time to share

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<v Speaker 1>them with the world. They packaged up copies of the documents,

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<v Speaker 1>addressed them to two congressmen and three reporters, and dropped

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<v Speaker 1>them in the mailbox. The return label read Liberty Publications Media, Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 1>At that point, Bonnie says, it was out of their hands.

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<v Speaker 4>We had to depend on courageous journalists and editors to

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<v Speaker 4>do their job. Then that was just one more thing

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<v Speaker 4>to be anxious about. Would they So we just had

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<v Speaker 4>to hope, and we had to wait and see what

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<v Speaker 4>the reaction of the general public would be to the

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<v Speaker 4>truth about the FBI.

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<v Speaker 1>The burglars would later learn that the congressmen and who'd

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<v Speaker 1>received the files had immediately turned them right back over

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<v Speaker 1>to the FBI, but not Betty Metzker. She retrieved her

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<v Speaker 1>mail at the Washington Post, found a mysterious envelope, and

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<v Speaker 1>met the moment head on.

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<v Speaker 13>FBI records stolen from the media Pennsylvania office showed that

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<v Speaker 13>one goal of a bureau was to spread that very

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<v Speaker 13>impression among left wing organizations that there was an agent

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<v Speaker 13>behind every mail box.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI was falling out of public favor for pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much the first time ever, not only for its questionable ethics,

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<v Speaker 1>but also for its questionable effectiveness. A New York Times

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<v Speaker 1>editorial read quote, little confidence is inspired by the security

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<v Speaker 1>measures of a security agency whose files can be so

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<v Speaker 1>easily burglarized. Here's burglar. Ralph Daniel I was also real excited,

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<v Speaker 1>because we did have some concern that this funky little

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<v Speaker 1>outpost for the fbi't wasn't going to have much.

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<v Speaker 6>But we knew, we knew this was dynamite stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>After we mailed the documents, our job was done.

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<v Speaker 1>This was moving along unbelievably well. When the Citizens commissioned

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<v Speaker 1>to investigate the FBI met at the farmhouse for the

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<v Speaker 1>last time. They renewed the vow they had made at

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<v Speaker 1>the start they would never tell a living soul what

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<v Speaker 1>they had done.

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<v Speaker 5>We decided we're not getting together as a group ever again.

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<v Speaker 5>We really parted ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Apart from John and Bonnie, who continued to be married,

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the crew knew their best chance of

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<v Speaker 1>staying safe was to stay apart. No more dinners, no

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<v Speaker 1>more phone calls, no returning to media every March for

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<v Speaker 1>a reunion barbecue.

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<v Speaker 4>We absolutely could not be in contact with each other

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<v Speaker 4>at all. I'm sure that bothered me to some extent,

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<v Speaker 4>but that's the way it had to be. It's just

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<v Speaker 4>the way it had to be.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the burglars left the Quaker Farmhouse in the

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<v Speaker 1>Woods one last time. The Citizens Commission to Investigate the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI was effectively dissolved, but the FBI's hunt for them,

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<v Speaker 1>code named Medburg, was just getting started, and soon the

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<v Speaker 1>g men would come a knocking. When the Washington Post

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<v Speaker 1>published the contents of those first media files, j Edgar

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<v Speaker 1>Hoover was livid. His only consolation was that the story

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<v Speaker 1>could have been way worse. The story revealed the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to make activists paranoid to think there was a

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<v Speaker 1>quote FBI agent behind every mailbox. But the article made

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<v Speaker 1>no mention of Hoover's biggest liability, the code word co

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<v Speaker 1>intel pro. For all he knew, it was just a

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<v Speaker 1>matter of time. Hoover needed to catch those burglars fast.

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<v Speaker 1>The document containing the infamous agent behind every mailbox line

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<v Speaker 1>was basically an instruction manual for how to interrogate anti

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<v Speaker 1>war activists. It also included the following quote, some will

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<v Speaker 1>be overcome by the overwhelming personalities of the contacting agent

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<v Speaker 1>and volunteer to tell all. So there you have it.

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<v Speaker 1>All the g men had to do was contact some activists,

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<v Speaker 1>overwhelm them with personality, and the suspects would spill their guts.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see how that went. I'm going to read you

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<v Speaker 1>some of the actual reports agents sent to headquarters. Two

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<v Speaker 1>director from Indianapolis checked on the whereabouts of a man

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<v Speaker 1>from Bloomington who agents thought might quote do such a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Two director from Newark possible suspect found by the Red Bank,

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey office a long haired person sitting in a car.

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<v Speaker 1>Two director from Philadelphia visited local commune Farkal Farm. The

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<v Speaker 1>commune is primarily engaged in drug and sex activities. However,

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<v Speaker 1>they could definitely still know something. Okay, buddy, better stay

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<v Speaker 1>put there at Farkel Farm, see if you can get

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<v Speaker 1>some good inter court I mean. Intel agents had recovered

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<v Speaker 1>a partial palm print from the media office, found on

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<v Speaker 1>the side of the large filing cabinet. They sent it

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<v Speaker 1>to the lab and waited for results. Their strongest lead

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<v Speaker 1>was the Unknown walk In, a college girl who had

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<v Speaker 1>visited the office weeks before the burglary, ostensibly for a

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<v Speaker 1>newspaper article. They had to call her the unknown walk In,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, because none of the agents thought to ask

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<v Speaker 1>for her name. That really pissed Hoover off. He made

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<v Speaker 1>it objective number one for the agents to find that woman.

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<v Speaker 4>Find me that.

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<v Speaker 1>The agents who saw Bonnie in the office that day

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<v Speaker 1>worked with a Philadelphia sketch artist to drop a picture

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<v Speaker 1>to distribute to agents nationwide. The quality of the sketch

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<v Speaker 1>was well, just imagine someone handed you a picture of

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<v Speaker 1>an oval and said, go find this egg.

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<v Speaker 4>I laughed. I just laughed and laughed. It was pretty funny.

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<v Speaker 4>It's almost like a cartoon.

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<v Speaker 1>Accompanying the sketch was a written description apparently Bonnie's coat

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<v Speaker 1>was quote soiled and in need of cleaning and pressing,

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<v Speaker 1>and her hair was quote apparently not well combed or

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<v Speaker 1>well kept. Were you offended by their description?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was a little offended. We just knew that

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<v Speaker 4>Hoover was beside himself that this had happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, that was no surprise. I mean, two

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<v Speaker 3>seconds after Bill suggested the idea, I'm like, they really

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be pissed if we pull this off.

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<v Speaker 4>He dispatched two hundred agents to flood the Philadelphia area

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<v Speaker 4>to find us.

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<v Speaker 1>Powelton Village is a neighborhood in West Philadelphia filled with

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<v Speaker 1>red brick townhouses. In nineteen seventy one, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>hotbed of anti war activism. Hoover was certain that if

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<v Speaker 1>the burglars were to be found, they'd be found here,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was actually right. More than half of the

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<v Speaker 1>burglars did live in Powelton Village at the time. Judy

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<v Speaker 1>was one of them.

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<v Speaker 10>We knew that we were poking the hornet's nest.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean we knew it.

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<v Speaker 10>We had a lot of heat, you know, everybody was

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<v Speaker 10>being intimidated.

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<v Speaker 1>Mostly the g men just sat in their cars for

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<v Speaker 1>weeks on end, equipped with long lens cameras watching, and

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not somebody was actively involved in anti war

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<v Speaker 1>protests didn't really seem to matter to these agents. At

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<v Speaker 1>least one resident learned that the heart Way, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Haven't been active in resistance politics or anything, and yet

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<v Speaker 4>you know, twelve armed agents broke into my house.

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<v Speaker 6>Throughout that time, very seldom did they figure out actual

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<v Speaker 6>information that could lead to arrest. They really lost their

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<v Speaker 6>ability to be sharp at solving crimes, and they did

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<v Speaker 6>outrageous things instead. And this kind of just massive surveillance.

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<v Speaker 6>By sitting in the cars, it's very unlikely you're going

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<v Speaker 6>to get information that tells you anything about who broke

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<v Speaker 6>into that FBI office.

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<v Speaker 1>This approach was classic Hoover. It was more or less

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<v Speaker 1>the same tactic that had been revealed in the media files.

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<v Speaker 1>Surveil everyone all the time in what's known as blanket surveillance.

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<v Speaker 1>It was exhaustive, time consuming, and generated so much information

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<v Speaker 1>that it became impossible to suss out which bits actually mattered.

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<v Speaker 1>Blanket surveillance is great for intimidation, but for crime solving

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<v Speaker 1>not so much.

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<v Speaker 8>So.

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<v Speaker 3>There were so many agents hanging around village that somebody

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<v Speaker 3>in the community decided the way to fight back was

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<v Speaker 3>to make fun of them.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, when agents inevitably fell asleep in their cars, a.

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<v Speaker 6>Local resident would stand beside an FBI car and blow

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<v Speaker 6>a bullhorn as another residence stood on the other side

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<v Speaker 6>of the FBI car with a tray of freshly baked

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<v Speaker 6>cookies and milk ready for the agents as they jolded

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<v Speaker 6>awake after the bullhorns sound. I don't know if any

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<v Speaker 6>agents ever accepted the cookies into milk.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody also had the brilliant idea to go around and

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<v Speaker 1>slap bumper stickers on all the surveillance cars that said

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<v Speaker 1>this is an FBI car. And then there was the

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<v Speaker 1>street fair.

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<v Speaker 6>They called it Your FBI in Action Street Fair.

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<v Speaker 1>The fair was a spectacle planned by the residents of

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<v Speaker 1>Powellton Village to make a mockery of Hoover's FBI. Copies

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<v Speaker 1>of the stolen media files, which by now had gotten around,

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<v Speaker 1>were nailed to trees. You could get your picture taken

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<v Speaker 1>with a life sized cardboard cutout of j Edgar Hoover.

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<v Speaker 1>There were skits too, yes open up FBI wa kids

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<v Speaker 1>assembled jigsaw puzzles depicting FBI agents sleeping in their cars.

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<v Speaker 1>What can I say? It was a family affair. There

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<v Speaker 1>were even musical performances captured by a film crew from

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<v Speaker 1>the Educational Broadcasting Corporation.

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<v Speaker 7>They know it you are, They know if you are streets,

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<v Speaker 7>they know if you.

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<v Speaker 13>Are land all right, And if you plan to smash

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<v Speaker 13>the state.

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<v Speaker 8>Better are not crown.

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<v Speaker 10>You better not smiled, You better.

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<v Speaker 1>Not see love me while Edgar Hoover's hanging. Oh no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I never really thought about the similarities between

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<v Speaker 1>Hoover and Santa before, but I guess they were both

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<v Speaker 1>surveillance experts, both pretty demanding bosses. But then again, no

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<v Speaker 1>one's ever accused the g men of being jolly.

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<v Speaker 6>I've never heard anybody say that an FBI agent was

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<v Speaker 6>observed laughing at any feings.

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<v Speaker 3>My experience was that FBI agents did not have a

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:43.400
<v Speaker 3>sense of humor. At least they didn't think my jokes

0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:43.920
<v Speaker 3>were funny.

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<v Speaker 1>It may have been silly, but the residents of Palellton

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Village were making a point. They now knew every tactic

0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:53.120
<v Speaker 1>in the FBI's paranoia playbook, and it wasn't going to

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 1>work on them. And at that fair, posing for a

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<v Speaker 1>picture with his family. Alongside the cardboard cutout j Edgar

0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Hoover was none other than Bill Davidan, the mastermind of

0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:10.320
<v Speaker 1>the burglary. As the FBI bumbled its way through the investigation,

0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Bill created a new role for himself the unofficial burglary spokesperson.

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:17.719
<v Speaker 1>He talked to the press and discussed the files at

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:21.440
<v Speaker 1>academic conferences. He'd never admitted to being a burglar, let

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:24.920
<v Speaker 1>alone the mastermind, just a concerned citizen who wanted to

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:28.520
<v Speaker 1>spread the word about what was in those files. Bill

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:34.160
<v Speaker 1>Davidan was hiding in plain sight. It was kind of brilliant,

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:38.880
<v Speaker 1>definitely ballsy, but also a bit baffling to his accomplices,

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 1>who felt that a better place for him to hide

0:30:41.160 --> 0:30:44.600
<v Speaker 1>might have been. I don't know, out of sight entirely.

0:30:45.760 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 1>Here's Bill.

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<v Speaker 14>I thought it was important to have outreach, and John

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:53.040
<v Speaker 14>was very opposed to that. You know, he was very

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:57.880
<v Speaker 14>uneasy about sort of being publicly involved in discendating information

0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:01.200
<v Speaker 14>about media. And I guess my feeling is something illegal

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 14>about doing that, so why not?

0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 15>Yeah, but it also seems as though it might attract

0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:14.960
<v Speaker 15>it's important to avoid this cloak and dagger atmosphere.

0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:18.200
<v Speaker 1>But for the rest of the burglars. The heat of

0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:22.520
<v Speaker 1>the Medburg investigation was more menacing, and soon some of

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:33.720
<v Speaker 1>them would come to face the agents hunting them.

0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:37.120
<v Speaker 4>We were trying to go back to our normal lives,

0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:40.480
<v Speaker 4>but it was just it was the elephant in the room.

0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:43.320
<v Speaker 4>As they say, there were things to be scared about.

0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:46.160
<v Speaker 4>You don't know for sure, you don't know one hundred percent,

0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:47.360
<v Speaker 4>so you worry about that.

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:52.400
<v Speaker 16>But I'm at home. I thought I never loved that

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:53.480
<v Speaker 16>I had started with.

0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:59.320
<v Speaker 1>The Day after the burglary, Sarah Schumer realized she had

0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:00.920
<v Speaker 1>lost one of her gloves.

0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:03.960
<v Speaker 16>Did that mean that I had put my hand on

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:07.520
<v Speaker 16>door jams and whatnot? Without it on the head fingerprints?

0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:11.560
<v Speaker 1>For weeks, Sarah couldn't think of anything else. Day by day,

0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:14.120
<v Speaker 1>hour by hour, she retraced her steps in her head,

0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:17.400
<v Speaker 1>again and again. At what point that night did she

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 1>lose that glove? She couldn't sleep. Some days, she couldn't eat.

0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:25.560
<v Speaker 1>Sarah describes it like the feeling you have when you're

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:28.600
<v Speaker 1>far from home and suddenly start wondering if you left

0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:31.480
<v Speaker 1>the oven on. But this time she couldn't go back

0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 1>and check. Sarah didn't yet know that the FBI had

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 1>recovered a partial palm print from the office.

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<v Speaker 16>And then the next morning, I got a phone call

0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:44.920
<v Speaker 16>from the FBI that they wanted to interview me, and

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:49.480
<v Speaker 16>I called two faculty friends to come down to my office.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah told the agents she talked to them, but only

0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:54.320
<v Speaker 1>in the presence of her friends, and only if they

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:55.760
<v Speaker 1>let her use a tape recorder.

0:32:56.480 --> 0:32:59.680
<v Speaker 16>And I said no, that would not be acceptable. They said, well,

0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:01.440
<v Speaker 16>then you don't have any questions for you.

0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:06.120
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, they clearly weren't the world's best burglar catchers,

0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:10.520
<v Speaker 1>but when it came to sewing fear, the FBI was

0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:11.560
<v Speaker 1>the best in the game.

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<v Speaker 9>So I'm at my job and I get page downstairs.

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby have two visitors. They have crew cuts and wingtip shoes.

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<v Speaker 9>So I went downstairs and my visitors were these two

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 9>FBI agents, and you know, they suggested that we go

0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:33.880
<v Speaker 9>outside and talk, and they escorted me to a car

0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:36.280
<v Speaker 9>that was parked right outside the office.

0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:40.640
<v Speaker 1>They asked Bob to get in the car. Then the

0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:43.800
<v Speaker 1>agent stirred to him and asked, Bob, do you know

0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:45.880
<v Speaker 1>anything about this burglary and media?

0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:49.600
<v Speaker 9>You know, I'd read all those documents. I knew what

0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:51.520
<v Speaker 9>they were doing. If they're going to arrest you. They're

0:33:51.520 --> 0:33:54.000
<v Speaker 9>going to arrest you right away. And if they're not

0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:55.640
<v Speaker 9>going to arrest you, they just want to see if

0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:58.479
<v Speaker 9>they can get information out of you. And your best

0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:02.720
<v Speaker 9>strategy is to refuse to say anything. That's another one

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:06.480
<v Speaker 9>of those pesky constitutional rights. You don't have to talk

0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:13.280
<v Speaker 9>to them in this case, I said, Fellas, I'm sorry

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:15.680
<v Speaker 9>to disappoint you, but I'm just not going to say

0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:19.000
<v Speaker 9>anything that you guys want to hear. You might as

0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:21.240
<v Speaker 9>well just take me home.

0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:24.799
<v Speaker 1>Bob waited for the agent to ask for directions, but

0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:29.840
<v Speaker 1>instead the agent merely nodded to the driver. He drove

0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:31.080
<v Speaker 1>right up to the spot.

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:35.040
<v Speaker 9>They knew exactly where I lived, and I hope we've

0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:37.800
<v Speaker 9>lived there for a couple of weeks.

0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:42.360
<v Speaker 1>One day, not long after the burglary, John and Bonnie

0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:44.760
<v Speaker 1>Rains had an unexpected visitor.

0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:50.000
<v Speaker 4>The ninth member of the group who dropped out showed

0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:54.720
<v Speaker 4>up at our front door nine and so we invited

0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:59.239
<v Speaker 4>him in and he said that he wanted to talk

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:03.160
<v Speaker 4>to us because he had heard from someone that there

0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:07.000
<v Speaker 4>were documents that had to do with missile silos and

0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:08.640
<v Speaker 4>he was very concerned about that.

0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:12.080
<v Speaker 1>John and Bonnie promised him there was nothing about missile

0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:15.759
<v Speaker 1>silos in the media files, but the ninth Burglar was convinced.

0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:18.640
<v Speaker 1>He said he was worried the group would leak sensitive

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:22.400
<v Speaker 1>files that would threaten national security. And then he said,

0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:24.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking of turning you in.

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:28.520
<v Speaker 4>Didn't want him to see us freak out, but we

0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:29.359
<v Speaker 4>were freaking out.

0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:32.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what you'd do in this situation, but

0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:35.879
<v Speaker 1>I can pretty much guarantee you would not do what

0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:38.879
<v Speaker 1>John did hire the guy to come back the next

0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:41.040
<v Speaker 1>weekend to paint his kitchen.

0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:44.160
<v Speaker 4>The kitchen didn't need painting, it.

0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:47.759
<v Speaker 1>Was, in fact a ruse. The ninth Burglar returned the

0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:50.920
<v Speaker 1>following weekend, and as they spent the afternoon rolling on

0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 1>a fresh coat of yellow, John tried to find out

0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:57.480
<v Speaker 1>where Number nine's paranoia was really coming from.

0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:02.640
<v Speaker 4>So, John, how did you hear this? And he said

0:36:02.680 --> 0:36:07.160
<v Speaker 4>that his girlfriend told him that. And John said, well,

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:10.400
<v Speaker 4>how long has she been your girlfriend? And he said, oh,

0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:13.360
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, three or four months. And John said,

0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:15.480
<v Speaker 4>have you thought about the fact that she might be

0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:21.120
<v Speaker 4>an FBI informant? And his eyes sort of popped wide

0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:24.879
<v Speaker 4>open like that, and John said, I can assure you

0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:28.480
<v Speaker 4>that there were no documents of that nature whatsoever.

0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:34.920
<v Speaker 1>Number nine left covered in paint and seeming to trust

0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:37.480
<v Speaker 1>that his friends wouldn't endanger the safety of the nation.

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:44.960
<v Speaker 1>At least for now. John and Bonnie's nerves were fried.

0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:47.759
<v Speaker 1>They weren't out of the woods. There was still the

0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:50.840
<v Speaker 1>possibility they could be caught, that their children might be

0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:54.480
<v Speaker 1>left without parents over the coming weeks. They worried that

0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:58.839
<v Speaker 1>Number nine might still turn them in. And then there

0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:00.000
<v Speaker 1>was a knock on the door.

0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:04.319
<v Speaker 8>There were two of them, you know, the nice guy

0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:07.000
<v Speaker 8>on the mean guy, And it was exactly at the game.

0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:10.760
<v Speaker 1>John had just returned from playing tennis, which was lucky

0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:12.279
<v Speaker 1>because he needed a minute to think.

0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:16.080
<v Speaker 8>When I first came in, I was assuming that my

0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:16.720
<v Speaker 8>tennis clothes.

0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:17.399
<v Speaker 4>I was all swear.

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:22.360
<v Speaker 8>I'd gone upstairs to shower and left them alone downstairs

0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:24.920
<v Speaker 8>for fifteen times WHI I was shower.

0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:29.719
<v Speaker 1>He came downstairs, fresh as a daisy and ready to bluff.

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:33.439
<v Speaker 8>They were investigating the media break yet, and they want

0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:35.399
<v Speaker 8>to know, do I know anything about that?

0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:40.160
<v Speaker 1>John being? John launched into a filibuster. Did he know

0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:43.240
<v Speaker 1>about the files? Of course he did. Everybody knew about him.

0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:46.719
<v Speaker 1>He turned the interrogation into a lecture, you gm in

0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:50.000
<v Speaker 1>ought to be ashamed of yourselves, and you need to

0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:50.440
<v Speaker 1>be out.

0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:51.920
<v Speaker 8>There, you know, looking at major crimes.

0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:54.359
<v Speaker 17>And at the end of the interview, they said, by

0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:57.400
<v Speaker 17>the way, you didn't have anything to do with this, didue?

0:37:57.520 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 17>But my answer was I said, well, I feel so angry.

0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 8>About what I found out from the papers that I

0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:10.400
<v Speaker 8>don't want to make your search for people any easier,

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:12.920
<v Speaker 8>So I'm not going to say what I was or not.

0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Just minutes after the agents left, probably regretting talking to

0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:21.040
<v Speaker 1>John in the first place, Bonnie rains the unknown walk

0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:25.120
<v Speaker 1>in walked in. If John had kept the agents even longer,

0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:27.440
<v Speaker 1>they would have run right into their number one target,

0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:31.359
<v Speaker 1>the Get Me That Woman woman. She and John spent

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:33.719
<v Speaker 1>the next twenty minutes making sure the agents hadn't left

0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:42.920
<v Speaker 1>any secret recording devices. As the weeks passed and the

0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:46.799
<v Speaker 1>FBI continued to circle, John and Bonnie decided to take

0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:50.759
<v Speaker 1>a step back. This incredible heist, which so far they'd

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:55.400
<v Speaker 1>gotten away with, would be their last criminal enterprise. Meanwhile,

0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:59.560
<v Speaker 1>Sarah Schumer continued to lose sleep thinking about that glove.

0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:05.200
<v Speaker 16>I didn't know whether anybody else was being questioned by

0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:07.440
<v Speaker 16>the FBI or whether I was the only one that

0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:10.399
<v Speaker 16>they were tracking down, and if I was the only one,

0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:12.560
<v Speaker 16>why was that? And as was it because I left

0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:16.560
<v Speaker 16>Prince and nobody else did so is isolating.

0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:20.080
<v Speaker 1>The burglar's secret and their fear of it getting out

0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:23.759
<v Speaker 1>created a special kind of isolation. There was simply no

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:27.120
<v Speaker 1>one for them to turn to to process this intense experience.

0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:30.680
<v Speaker 1>This isolation, and the ever present threat of the FBI

0:39:31.160 --> 0:39:34.640
<v Speaker 1>led Judy Finegold to make the most drastic choice of all.

0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:38.520
<v Speaker 1>She left Philadelphia forever. She and her new love interest,

0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:42.080
<v Speaker 1>sorry Bob, simply packed up and headed west.

0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:46.920
<v Speaker 4>I just wanted to get out of town.

0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:49.600
<v Speaker 6>I didn't have a plot or a plan.

0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:51.720
<v Speaker 4>We just went wes.

0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Judy found her way to New Mexico and began living

0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:59.720
<v Speaker 1>under an assumed name, severing connections to everyone she knew,

0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:04.560
<v Speaker 1>even her parents. After everything that had gone down, she

0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:07.359
<v Speaker 1>says she just had a feeling that sooner or later

0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:09.120
<v Speaker 1>someone might slip up.

0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:13.520
<v Speaker 10>I really didn't trust that. After a while, like people

0:40:13.560 --> 0:40:16.360
<v Speaker 10>would start getting relax and say, oh, yeah, you know,

0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:20.040
<v Speaker 10>You're at some party and somebody'll say, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:22.839
<v Speaker 10>I remember, you know, Bob said, you know, and they

0:40:22.880 --> 0:40:27.000
<v Speaker 10>got the media files, you know, so I just decided

0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:34.040
<v Speaker 10>to leave, and it was absolutely terribly painful, you know.

0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:35.640
<v Speaker 6>It was.

0:40:37.680 --> 0:40:40.680
<v Speaker 1>After a few months, the media files were no longer

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:44.279
<v Speaker 1>making news. By May, the burglars had released all of

0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:47.640
<v Speaker 1>the relevant stolen documents. Betty Metzger had nothing new to

0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:50.240
<v Speaker 1>report on, and to make matters worse.

0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:54.240
<v Speaker 13>Senator Dole, the Republican chairman, accused the Democrats of trying

0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:57.239
<v Speaker 13>to make the FBI look like an American guestapo.

0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:07.319
<v Speaker 1>Congress declined to investigate. Hoover had avoided a congressional investigation

0:41:07.920 --> 0:41:11.120
<v Speaker 1>for now, but President Nixon had started to view him

0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:14.719
<v Speaker 1>as a liability. So one day in late nineteen seventy one,

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:18.279
<v Speaker 1>Nixon decided he'd had enough. He was finally going to

0:41:18.400 --> 0:41:21.800
<v Speaker 1>fire J. Edgar Hoover. Here's Professor Daniel Chard.

0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:25.520
<v Speaker 2>He arranged his whole special breakfast with Hoover where he

0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:28.160
<v Speaker 2>was going to try to break the news.

0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Hmm, you smell that. That's just the scent of waffles

0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:35.920
<v Speaker 1>and bacon and me finally getting rid of your ass.

0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Nixon didn't actually tell Hoover he was fired. He offered

0:41:39.719 --> 0:41:42.839
<v Speaker 1>him the opportunity to retire with dignity and let a

0:41:42.880 --> 0:41:46.000
<v Speaker 1>new FBI director make a fresh start. But even at

0:41:46.040 --> 0:41:48.880
<v Speaker 1>the age of seventy six, coming off the worst scandal

0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:52.640
<v Speaker 1>of his career, Hoover called Nixon's bluff.

0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:56.120
<v Speaker 2>And Hoover was just too slick. Hoover said, I would

0:41:56.120 --> 0:41:59.719
<v Speaker 2>be happy to go into retirement if you would put

0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:02.400
<v Speaker 2>in that you would like me to do that, And

0:42:02.520 --> 0:42:04.759
<v Speaker 2>Nixon realizes he's not going to do that. He doesn't

0:42:04.760 --> 0:42:08.000
<v Speaker 2>want to put that in writing because Hoover is so popular,

0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:11.280
<v Speaker 2>especially among the conservative base.

0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:14.680
<v Speaker 1>When the breakfast ended, Hoover was still the director of

0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:18.400
<v Speaker 1>the FBI. Nixon had even agreed to increase the bureau's

0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:22.840
<v Speaker 1>personnel budget. Even now fighting for his job, as his

0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:26.560
<v Speaker 1>men flailed around desperately interrogating every hippie in the greater

0:42:26.600 --> 0:42:30.239
<v Speaker 1>Philadelphia area. Hoover was a force to be reckoned with.

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:34.200
<v Speaker 1>And even though his g mens blanket surveillance tactics had

0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:36.799
<v Speaker 1>allowed most of the culprits to slip right through their

0:42:36.800 --> 0:42:41.160
<v Speaker 1>fingers undetected, they still had some tricks up their sleeves.

0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:44.560
<v Speaker 9>And then I hear this guy yelled.

0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Freeze coming up on snappho.

0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:52.799
<v Speaker 3>They came to the doors, guns drawn and put us

0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:53.680
<v Speaker 3>up against the wall.

0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:56.919
<v Speaker 1>The FBI arrested twenty persons in Camden.

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<v Speaker 14>New Jersey, early today and charged them with trying to

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<v Speaker 14>steal draftra and the federal building there.

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<v Speaker 9>Forty seven years would have been the maximum.

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<v Speaker 6>There was this feeling that nothing actually would happen in

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<v Speaker 6>terms of Hoover having to face the music. It felt

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<v Speaker 6>like the end at that time, but it wasn't the end.

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<v Speaker 1>Snafoo is a production of iHeartRadio, Film Nation Entertainment, and

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<v Speaker 1>Pacific Electric Picture Company in association with Gilded Audio. This

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<v Speaker 1>season of Snafoo is based on the book of the Burglary,

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<v Speaker 1>The Discovery of j Edgar Hoover's Secret FBI, written by

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<v Speaker 1>Betty Metzger. It's executive produced by me Ed Helms, Milan Papelka,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Valbo, Whitney Donaldson, Andy Chug, Dylan Fagan, and Betty Metzger.

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<v Speaker 1>Our lead producers are Sarah Joyner and Alyssa Martino. Producer

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<v Speaker 1>is Stephen Wood. This episode was written by Albert Chen,

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Joyner, and Stephen Wood, with additional writing and story

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<v Speaker 1>editing from Alissa Martino and Ed Helms. Tory Smith is

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<v Speaker 1>our associate producer. Nevin Calla Poly is our production assistant

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<v Speaker 1>Facts checking by Charles Richter. Our creative executive is Brett Harris.

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<v Speaker 1>Sensitivity consult from Oloa Kemi Ala de Sui, Editing, sound

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<v Speaker 1>design and original music by Ben Chugg, Engineering and technical

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<v Speaker 1>direction by Nick Dooley. Additional editing from Kelsey Albright, Olivia

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<v Speaker 1>Canny and Jimma Castelli Foley theme music by Dan Rosatto.

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<v Speaker 1>Special thanks to Alison Cohen, Daniel Welsh and Ben Riizak.

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<v Speaker 1>Additional thanks to director Joanna Hamilton for letting us use

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<v Speaker 1>some of the original interviews from her incredible documentary nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy one. Finally, our deepest gratitude to the courageous Citizens

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<v Speaker 1>Commission to Investigate the FBI, Bill Davidon, Ralph Daniel, Judy

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<v Speaker 1>fine Gold, Keith Forsyth, Bonnie Rains, John Rains, Sarah Schumer

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<v Speaker 1>and Bob Williamson,