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Speaker 2: We had picked the time to begin the actual action,

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Speaker 3: So I went to the door, mister confident, and there's

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Speaker 3: a second lock on the door that wasn't there like

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Speaker 4: We got this far, and we're just not going to

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Speaker 4: give up. And that's when I remembered the second door.

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Speaker 5: Who anonymous.

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Speaker 4: I was really jacked up. Can you believe it? We

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Speaker 4: pulled it off without a single hitch?

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Speaker 6: Now, were you the first to a rhyme the morning?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 7: Yes, about seven seven thirty in the morning.

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Speaker 1: Frank McLaughlin was an FBI agent based in Media, Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy one. On March ninth of that year,

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Speaker 1: he was the first one to arrive for work, where

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Speaker 1: his investigative acumen immediately told him is something wasn't right.

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Speaker 7: I could tell the lock had been tampered with. I

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Speaker 7: looked at the second door, and that was that.

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Speaker 8: You are.

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Speaker 7: What do you think I suspected that there was a Berkeley?

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Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, I've been in this business a lot

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Speaker 1: Inside, he astutely noted a few more telltale clues. For example,

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Speaker 1: all of the documents in the entire office were missing.

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Speaker 7: The doors were open and the files were gone. And

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Speaker 7: I walked into my office a destroyers were rifled. It's

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Speaker 7: a place that was ramsacked.

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Speaker 1: From there, a series of bewildered g men passed the

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Speaker 1: at his office that morning, his underlings had already enlisted

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Speaker 1: one of his most trusted agents, Deputy Associate Director Mark Felt.

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Speaker 1: If that name sounds familiar, it's because a few years later,

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Speaker 1: Felt would leak evidence about Watergate to the Washington Post.

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Speaker 1: For that he's better known to the world as Deep Throat.

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Speaker 6: That was after a famous porn movie at the.

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Speaker 1: Time, Thanks Betty. Anyway, in nineteen seventy one, Felt was

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Speaker 6: Mark Felt was in New York and he was shaving

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Speaker 1: Felt canceled his meetings in New York. He caught the

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Speaker 6: So when Mark Felt arrived that morning, he immediately focused

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Speaker 6: on the safe in the office.

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Speaker 1: That safe was the only unburgled thing in the whole office.

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Speaker 1: It contained the agent's firearms, but no files.

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Speaker 6: He thought that this was ridiculous, this is where the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, funny thing about that the lead agent and media

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Speaker 6: The other thing that he asked Felt for was an

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Speaker 6: the police. Felt had turned him down on both of

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Speaker 1: You're close to a police station. If you get burgled,

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Speaker 6: And instead of a very large safe, he provided them

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Speaker 1: We'll never know. I Felt realized in that moment that

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Speaker 1: this whole snapfoo was kind of his fault. But before

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Speaker 6: Hoover, urged by Mark Felt, had gotten rid of the

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Speaker 6: the investigation. Instead of Deep Throat, they were considering a

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Speaker 6: nickname that morning. It would be deep Scapegoader.

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Speaker 1: Suffice to to say, this was not the FBI's finest hour.

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Speaker 1: A reporter later described Hoover as quote apoplectic when he

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Speaker 1: this operation medburgh medburg.

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Speaker 6: I mean it was just a combination of media, meed,

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Speaker 1: What a cute portmanteau. For the first time in its history,

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Speaker 1: classified Bureau documents had fallen into outside hands, but for now,

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Speaker 1: at least those documents remained secret. Hoover's FBI was in

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Speaker 1: a race against the clock, and the orders were clear,

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Speaker 1: I'm Ed Helms and this is Snafu, a show about

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Speaker 1: history's greatest screw ups. This is Season two Medburg the

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Speaker 1: story of a daring heist and the colossal FBI snaffoo

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Speaker 1: it exposed. Today, the FBI hunts the burglars Todd.

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Speaker 5: Haof Hao.

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Speaker 1: In the dead of night, hours before Frank McLaughlin would

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Speaker 9: I think we all trusted each other to know what

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Speaker 9: was important and what wasn't. Judy and I worked together.

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Speaker 9: They had a little shed off of the main cabin.

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Speaker 9: But I remember Judy and I spending a lot of

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Speaker 10: I thought it was very romantic to go through the

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Speaker 11: Yeah, some files were boring and some were strange, like

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Speaker 11: observing j Edgar Hoover's birthday. Who would have guessed this

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Speaker 11: guy was more of a birthday diva than my five

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Speaker 11: undoubtedly feeling nervous that they had just risked everything to

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Speaker 11: steal a bunch of nothing.

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Speaker 1: And then.

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Speaker 4: I remember someone in the other room said, you've got

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Speaker 1: The whole team stopped what they were doing and gathered

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Speaker 1: around one document. Hearts pounding, they took turns reading. It

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Speaker 1: was a memo from headquarters to all FBI agents. The

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Speaker 4: Order to enhance the paranoia. They were to give the

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Speaker 10: And it was like, at last something, That's what they wanted.

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Speaker 10: They wanted people to think that there was a boogeyman

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Speaker 6: We had some idea that this was pretty explosive.

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Speaker 1: They kept reading, and soon the floodgates opened.

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Speaker 3: It was just a constant stream of people saying, oh, man,

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Speaker 1: One file detailed the movements and grades of a congressman's daughter.

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Speaker 12: The records indicated that during the spring semester of nineteen

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Speaker 1: Who was being surveilled because she, like her parents, opposed

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Speaker 12: Where major is fringe and as many courses.

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Speaker 1: Another conversation was picked up by a phone tap on

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Speaker 1: scrupulous notes. As one panther phoned his mom to ask

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Speaker 12: Asked his mother to send him seventeen dollars to get home.

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Speaker 1: They'd also intercepted a letter from a Boy Scout troop

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Speaker 12: We would like very much to go to the Soviet

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Speaker 12: in the USSR, if possible.

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Speaker 1: Another file alleged quote communist infiltration of a local women's.

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Speaker 12: Group, Martin Luther King Junior, who will address the fiftieth

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Speaker 1: Be the nature of that infiltration. Martin Luther King Junior

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Speaker 1: had been invited to speak at their upcoming banquet.

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Speaker 12: Copies of the names and biographical data are attached here too.

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Speaker 1: A local civil rights leader, Mohammad Kanyata, was also being surveiled.

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Speaker 12: There are two persons authorized to sign checks on this account,

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Speaker 12: and they are Mohammed Kanyata and Mary Kenyata.

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Speaker 1: Again, there was zero evidence of criminal activity in his file,

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Speaker 12: The Peltan's account was forty four dollars and thirty two cents.

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Speaker 1: As they kept reading, the burglars realized banks, employers, landlords,

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Speaker 1: utility companies, local police, and individual busybodies had all happily

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Speaker 12: Will continue to monitor bank account of National Black Economic

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Speaker 1: Kiseled chicks and While the targets ranged from women's lib

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Speaker 1: groups to boy Scout troops, the FBI was clearly preoccupied

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Speaker 1: with black activists. They weren't just tapping the phones of

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Speaker 1: the Black Panthers and leaders like Kenyata. Every single black

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Speaker 1: student at Swafmore College was under surveillance. When they finally

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Speaker 1: got through all the files, the burglars tallied up what

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Speaker 1: they'd found. Forty percent of the cases in the Media

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Speaker 1: office dealt with surveillance of legal political activity. By contrast,

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Speaker 1: investigations of murders, rapes, and interstate crimes constituted just twenty

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Speaker 1: spying on law abiding citizens was the FBI's number one priority,

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Speaker 1: The stolen files mostly FBI surveillance activity in the Philadelphia area.

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Speaker 6: Oh, it was all horrifying. It was horrifying, but.

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Speaker 1: It was clear that the mandates were being sent to

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Speaker 9: I think we all felt disgusted.

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Speaker 1: One memo came directly from Hoover, directing all offices to

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Speaker 9: I had no particular admiration for the FBI at that point,

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Speaker 9: but that was a new low not even I had imagined.

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Speaker 1: And Hoover said their activity posed a quote definite threat

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Speaker 1: to the nation's stability and security. They didn't realize it yet,

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Speaker 1: but the single most important document the burglars had stolen

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Speaker 1: was a simple routing slip at the top in big

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Speaker 1: block letters was a code word, which at the time

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Speaker 1: meant nothing to the burglars. Co intel pro A single

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Speaker 1: code word on a single page in a mountain of files,

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Speaker 1: a needle in a haystack, A needle so dangerous that

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Speaker 1: Hoover was prepared to do anything to catch these burglars

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Speaker 1: before that code word could see the light of day.

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Speaker 8: I must have been about what six point thirty in

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Speaker 8: the morning, and I stopped to a paypall on at

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Speaker 8: Chestnut Hill at a gas station. The whole place was empty.

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Speaker 1: John and Bonnie Rains had one more task. They pulled

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Speaker 1: was a statement announcing what the Citizens Commissioned to Investigate

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Speaker 1: the FBI had just done.

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Speaker 5: And the voice said, this is a Citizens Commission to

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Speaker 1: On the night of March eighth, nineteen seventy one, the

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Speaker 4: John was on the phone with the reporter reading the statement,

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Speaker 5: You know, they could have said what not answering questions,

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Speaker 1: He laughs now. But Bill would soon realize this phone

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Speaker 1: At that point, Bonnie says, it was out of their hands.

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Speaker 1: The burglars would later learn that the congressmen and who'd

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Speaker 13: FBI records stolen from the media Pennsylvania office showed that

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Speaker 1: The FBI was falling out of public favor for pretty

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Speaker 6: But we knew, we knew this was dynamite stuff.

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Speaker 4: After we mailed the documents, our job was done.

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Speaker 1: This was moving along unbelievably well. When the Citizens commissioned

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Speaker 5: We decided we're not getting together as a group ever again.

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Speaker 4: We absolutely could not be in contact with each other

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Speaker 1: And so the burglars left the Quaker Farmhouse in the

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Speaker 1: Let's see how that went. I'm going to read you

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Speaker 1: Two director from Philadelphia visited local commune Farkal Farm. The

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Speaker 4: Find me that.

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Speaker 1: The agents who saw Bonnie in the office that day

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Speaker 4: I laughed. I just laughed and laughed. It was pretty funny.

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Speaker 1: Accompanying the sketch was a written description apparently Bonnie's coat

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Speaker 4: Hoover was beside himself that this had happened.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, that was no surprise. I mean, two

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Speaker 3: seconds after Bill suggested the idea, I'm like, they really

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Speaker 4: He dispatched two hundred agents to flood the Philadelphia area

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Speaker 1: Powelton Village is a neighborhood in West Philadelphia filled with

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Speaker 10: We knew that we were poking the hornet's nest.

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Speaker 10: We had a lot of heat, you know, everybody was

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Speaker 1: Mostly the g men just sat in their cars for

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Speaker 4: Haven't been active in resistance politics or anything, and yet

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Speaker 6: Throughout that time, very seldom did they figure out actual

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Speaker 1: This approach was classic Hoover. It was more or less

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Speaker 1: the same tactic that had been revealed in the media files.

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Speaker 1: Surveil everyone all the time in what's known as blanket surveillance.

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Speaker 1: It was exhaustive, time consuming, and generated so much information

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Speaker 3: There were so many agents hanging around village that somebody

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Speaker 1: For example, when agents inevitably fell asleep in their cars, a.

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Speaker 6: Local resident would stand beside an FBI car and blow

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Speaker 1: slap bumper stickers on all the surveillance cars that said

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Speaker 1: this is an FBI car. And then there was the

443
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: street fair.

444
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 6: They called it Your FBI in Action Street Fair.

445
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: The fair was a spectacle planned by the residents of

446
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: Powellton Village to make a mockery of Hoover's FBI. Copies

447
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: of the stolen media files, which by now had gotten around,

448
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: were nailed to trees. You could get your picture taken

449
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: with a life sized cardboard cutout of j Edgar Hoover.

450
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: There were skits too, yes open up FBI wa kids

451
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: assembled jigsaw puzzles depicting FBI agents sleeping in their cars.

452
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: What can I say? It was a family affair. There

453
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 1: were even musical performances captured by a film crew from

454
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Speaker 1: the Educational Broadcasting Corporation.

455
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 7: They know it you are, They know if you are streets,

456
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 7: they know if you.

457
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 13: Are land all right, And if you plan to smash

458
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 13: the state.

459
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 8: Better are not crown.

460
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 10: You better not smiled, You better.

461
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: Not see love me while Edgar Hoover's hanging. Oh no, no, no,

462
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: you know. I never really thought about the similarities between

463
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: Hoover and Santa before, but I guess they were both

464
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: surveillance experts, both pretty demanding bosses. But then again, no

465
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: one's ever accused the g men of being jolly.

466
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 6: I've never heard anybody say that an FBI agent was

467
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 6: observed laughing at any feings.

468
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 3: My experience was that FBI agents did not have a

469
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 3: sense of humor. At least they didn't think my jokes

470
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 3: were funny.

471
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: It may have been silly, but the residents of Palellton

472
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: Village were making a point. They now knew every tactic

473
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: in the FBI's paranoia playbook, and it wasn't going to

474
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: work on them. And at that fair, posing for a

475
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: picture with his family. Alongside the cardboard cutout j Edgar

476
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: Hoover was none other than Bill Davidan, the mastermind of

477
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: the burglary. As the FBI bumbled its way through the investigation,

478
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: Bill created a new role for himself the unofficial burglary spokesperson.

479
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 1: He talked to the press and discussed the files at

480
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: academic conferences. He'd never admitted to being a burglar, let

481
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: alone the mastermind, just a concerned citizen who wanted to

482
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: spread the word about what was in those files. Bill

483
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: Davidan was hiding in plain sight. It was kind of brilliant,

484
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: definitely ballsy, but also a bit baffling to his accomplices,

485
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: who felt that a better place for him to hide

486
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: might have been. I don't know, out of sight entirely.

487
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: Here's Bill.

488
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 14: I thought it was important to have outreach, and John

489
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 14: was very opposed to that. You know, he was very

490
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 14: uneasy about sort of being publicly involved in discendating information

491
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 14: about media. And I guess my feeling is something illegal

492
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 14: about doing that, so why not?

493
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 15: Yeah, but it also seems as though it might attract

494
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 15: it's important to avoid this cloak and dagger atmosphere.

495
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: But for the rest of the burglars. The heat of

496
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: the Medburg investigation was more menacing, and soon some of

497
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: them would come to face the agents hunting them.

498
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 4: We were trying to go back to our normal lives,

499
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 4: but it was just it was the elephant in the room.

500
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 4: As they say, there were things to be scared about.

501
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 4: You don't know for sure, you don't know one hundred percent,

502
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 4: so you worry about that.

503
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 16: But I'm at home. I thought I never loved that

504
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 16: I had started with.

505
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: The Day after the burglary, Sarah Schumer realized she had

506
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: lost one of her gloves.

507
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 16: Did that mean that I had put my hand on

508
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 16: door jams and whatnot? Without it on the head fingerprints?

509
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: For weeks, Sarah couldn't think of anything else. Day by day,

510
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: hour by hour, she retraced her steps in her head,

511
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: again and again. At what point that night did she

512
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: lose that glove? She couldn't sleep. Some days, she couldn't eat.

513
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: Sarah describes it like the feeling you have when you're

514
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: far from home and suddenly start wondering if you left

515
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: the oven on. But this time she couldn't go back

516
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: and check. Sarah didn't yet know that the FBI had

517
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: recovered a partial palm print from the office.

518
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 16: And then the next morning, I got a phone call

519
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 16: from the FBI that they wanted to interview me, and

520
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 16: I called two faculty friends to come down to my office.

521
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: Sarah told the agents she talked to them, but only

522
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: in the presence of her friends, and only if they

523
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: let her use a tape recorder.

524
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 16: And I said no, that would not be acceptable. They said, well,

525
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 16: then you don't have any questions for you.

526
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, they clearly weren't the world's best burglar catchers,

527
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: but when it came to sewing fear, the FBI was

528
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: the best in the game.

529
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 9: So I'm at my job and I get page downstairs.

530
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: Bobby have two visitors. They have crew cuts and wingtip shoes.

531
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 9: So I went downstairs and my visitors were these two

532
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 9: FBI agents, and you know, they suggested that we go

533
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 9: outside and talk, and they escorted me to a car

534
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 9: that was parked right outside the office.

535
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: They asked Bob to get in the car. Then the

536
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: agent stirred to him and asked, Bob, do you know

537
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: anything about this burglary and media?

538
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 9: You know, I'd read all those documents. I knew what

539
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 9: they were doing. If they're going to arrest you. They're

540
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 9: going to arrest you right away. And if they're not

541
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 9: going to arrest you, they just want to see if

542
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,479
Speaker 9: they can get information out of you. And your best

543
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 9: strategy is to refuse to say anything. That's another one

544
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 9: of those pesky constitutional rights. You don't have to talk

545
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 9: to them in this case, I said, Fellas, I'm sorry

546
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 9: to disappoint you, but I'm just not going to say

547
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 9: anything that you guys want to hear. You might as

548
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 9: well just take me home.

549
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: Bob waited for the agent to ask for directions, but

550
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: instead the agent merely nodded to the driver. He drove

551
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: right up to the spot.

552
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 9: They knew exactly where I lived, and I hope we've

553
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 9: lived there for a couple of weeks.

554
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: One day, not long after the burglary, John and Bonnie

555
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 1: Rains had an unexpected visitor.

556
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 4: The ninth member of the group who dropped out showed

557
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 4: up at our front door nine and so we invited

558
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 4: him in and he said that he wanted to talk

559
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 4: to us because he had heard from someone that there

560
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 4: were documents that had to do with missile silos and

561
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 4: he was very concerned about that.

562
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: John and Bonnie promised him there was nothing about missile

563
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: silos in the media files, but the ninth Burglar was convinced.

564
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: He said he was worried the group would leak sensitive

565
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: files that would threaten national security. And then he said,

566
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of turning you in.

567
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 4: Didn't want him to see us freak out, but we

568
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 4: were freaking out.

569
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what you'd do in this situation, but

570
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 1: I can pretty much guarantee you would not do what

571
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: John did hire the guy to come back the next

572
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: weekend to paint his kitchen.

573
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 4: The kitchen didn't need painting, it.

574
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: Was, in fact a ruse. The ninth Burglar returned the

575
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: following weekend, and as they spent the afternoon rolling on

576
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: a fresh coat of yellow, John tried to find out

577
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: where Number nine's paranoia was really coming from.

578
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 4: So, John, how did you hear this? And he said

579
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 4: that his girlfriend told him that. And John said, well,

580
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 4: how long has she been your girlfriend? And he said, oh,

581
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 4: I don't know, three or four months. And John said,

582
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 4: have you thought about the fact that she might be

583
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 4: an FBI informant? And his eyes sort of popped wide

584
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 4: open like that, and John said, I can assure you

585
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 4: that there were no documents of that nature whatsoever.

586
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: Number nine left covered in paint and seeming to trust

587
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: that his friends wouldn't endanger the safety of the nation.

588
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: At least for now. John and Bonnie's nerves were fried.

589
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: They weren't out of the woods. There was still the

590
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: possibility they could be caught, that their children might be

591
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: left without parents over the coming weeks. They worried that

592
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: Number nine might still turn them in. And then there

593
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: was a knock on the door.

594
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 8: There were two of them, you know, the nice guy

595
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 8: on the mean guy, And it was exactly at the game.

596
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 1: John had just returned from playing tennis, which was lucky

597
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: because he needed a minute to think.

598
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 8: When I first came in, I was assuming that my

599
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 8: tennis clothes.

600
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 4: I was all swear.

601
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 8: I'd gone upstairs to shower and left them alone downstairs

602
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 8: for fifteen times WHI I was shower.

603
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: He came downstairs, fresh as a daisy and ready to bluff.

604
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 8: They were investigating the media break yet, and they want

605
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 8: to know, do I know anything about that?

606
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: John being? John launched into a filibuster. Did he know

607
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 1: about the files? Of course he did. Everybody knew about him.

608
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: He turned the interrogation into a lecture, you gm in

609
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: ought to be ashamed of yourselves, and you need to

610
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: be out.

611
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 8: There, you know, looking at major crimes.

612
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 17: And at the end of the interview, they said, by

613
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 17: the way, you didn't have anything to do with this, didue?

614
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 17: But my answer was I said, well, I feel so angry.

615
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 8: About what I found out from the papers that I

616
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 8: don't want to make your search for people any easier,

617
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 8: So I'm not going to say what I was or not.

618
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: Just minutes after the agents left, probably regretting talking to

619
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: John in the first place, Bonnie rains the unknown walk

620
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: in walked in. If John had kept the agents even longer,

621
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: they would have run right into their number one target,

622
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: the Get Me That Woman woman. She and John spent

623
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: the next twenty minutes making sure the agents hadn't left

624
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: any secret recording devices. As the weeks passed and the

625
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: FBI continued to circle, John and Bonnie decided to take

626
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: a step back. This incredible heist, which so far they'd

627
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: gotten away with, would be their last criminal enterprise. Meanwhile,

628
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: Sarah Schumer continued to lose sleep thinking about that glove.

629
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 16: I didn't know whether anybody else was being questioned by

630
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 16: the FBI or whether I was the only one that

631
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 16: they were tracking down, and if I was the only one,

632
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 16: why was that? And as was it because I left

633
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 16: Prince and nobody else did so is isolating.

634
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: The burglar's secret and their fear of it getting out

635
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: created a special kind of isolation. There was simply no

636
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: one for them to turn to to process this intense experience.

637
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: This isolation, and the ever present threat of the FBI

638
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: led Judy Finegold to make the most drastic choice of all.

639
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: She left Philadelphia forever. She and her new love interest,

640
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: sorry Bob, simply packed up and headed west.

641
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 4: I just wanted to get out of town.

642
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 6: I didn't have a plot or a plan.

643
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 4: We just went wes.

644
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: Judy found her way to New Mexico and began living

645
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 1: under an assumed name, severing connections to everyone she knew,

646
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: even her parents. After everything that had gone down, she

647
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: says she just had a feeling that sooner or later

648
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: someone might slip up.

649
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 10: I really didn't trust that. After a while, like people

650
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 10: would start getting relax and say, oh, yeah, you know,

651
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 10: You're at some party and somebody'll say, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

652
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 10: I remember, you know, Bob said, you know, and they

653
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 10: got the media files, you know, so I just decided

654
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 10: to leave, and it was absolutely terribly painful, you know.

655
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 6: It was.

656
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: After a few months, the media files were no longer

657
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: making news. By May, the burglars had released all of

658
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: the relevant stolen documents. Betty Metzger had nothing new to

659
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 1: report on, and to make matters worse.

660
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 13: Senator Dole, the Republican chairman, accused the Democrats of trying

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Speaker 13: to make the FBI look like an American guestapo.

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Speaker 1: Congress declined to investigate. Hoover had avoided a congressional investigation

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Speaker 1: for now, but President Nixon had started to view him

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Speaker 1: as a liability. So one day in late nineteen seventy one,

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Speaker 1: Nixon decided he'd had enough. He was finally going to

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Speaker 1: fire J. Edgar Hoover. Here's Professor Daniel Chard.

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Speaker 2: He arranged his whole special breakfast with Hoover where he

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Speaker 2: was going to try to break the news.

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Speaker 1: Hmm, you smell that. That's just the scent of waffles

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Speaker 1: and bacon and me finally getting rid of your ass.

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Speaker 1: Nixon didn't actually tell Hoover he was fired. He offered

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Speaker 1: him the opportunity to retire with dignity and let a

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Speaker 1: new FBI director make a fresh start. But even at

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Speaker 1: the age of seventy six, coming off the worst scandal

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Speaker 1: of his career, Hoover called Nixon's bluff.

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Speaker 2: And Hoover was just too slick. Hoover said, I would

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Speaker 2: be happy to go into retirement if you would put

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Speaker 2: in that you would like me to do that, And

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Speaker 2: Nixon realizes he's not going to do that. He doesn't

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Speaker 2: want to put that in writing because Hoover is so popular,

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Speaker 2: especially among the conservative base.

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Speaker 1: When the breakfast ended, Hoover was still the director of

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Speaker 1: the FBI. Nixon had even agreed to increase the bureau's

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Speaker 1: personnel budget. Even now fighting for his job, as his

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Speaker 1: men flailed around desperately interrogating every hippie in the greater

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia area. Hoover was a force to be reckoned with.

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Speaker 1: And even though his g mens blanket surveillance tactics had

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Speaker 1: allowed most of the culprits to slip right through their

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Speaker 1: fingers undetected, they still had some tricks up their sleeves.

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Speaker 9: And then I hear this guy yelled.

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Speaker 1: Freeze coming up on snappho.

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Speaker 3: They came to the doors, guns drawn and put us

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Speaker 3: up against the wall.

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Speaker 1: The FBI arrested twenty persons in Camden.

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Speaker 14: New Jersey, early today and charged them with trying to

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Speaker 14: steal draftra and the federal building there.

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Speaker 9: Forty seven years would have been the maximum.

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Speaker 6: There was this feeling that nothing actually would happen in

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Speaker 6: terms of Hoover having to face the music. It felt

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Speaker 6: like the end at that time, but it wasn't the end.

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Speaker 1: Snafoo is a production of iHeartRadio, Film Nation Entertainment, and

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Speaker 1: Pacific Electric Picture Company in association with Gilded Audio. This

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Speaker 1: season of Snafoo is based on the book of the Burglary,

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Speaker 1: The Discovery of j Edgar Hoover's Secret FBI, written by

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Speaker 1: Betty Metzger. It's executive produced by me Ed Helms, Milan Papelka,

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Speaker 1: Mike Valbo, Whitney Donaldson, Andy Chug, Dylan Fagan, and Betty Metzger.

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Speaker 1: Our lead producers are Sarah Joyner and Alyssa Martino. Producer

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Speaker 1: is Stephen Wood. This episode was written by Albert Chen,

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Speaker 1: Sarah Joyner, and Stephen Wood, with additional writing and story

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Speaker 1: editing from Alissa Martino and Ed Helms. Tory Smith is

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Speaker 1: our associate producer. Nevin Calla Poly is our production assistant

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Speaker 1: Facts checking by Charles Richter. Our creative executive is Brett Harris.

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Speaker 1: Sensitivity consult from Oloa Kemi Ala de Sui, Editing, sound

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Speaker 1: design and original music by Ben Chugg, Engineering and technical

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Speaker 1: direction by Nick Dooley. Additional editing from Kelsey Albright, Olivia

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Speaker 1: Canny and Jimma Castelli Foley theme music by Dan Rosatto.

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Speaker 1: Special thanks to Alison Cohen, Daniel Welsh and Ben Riizak.

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Speaker 1: Additional thanks to director Joanna Hamilton for letting us use

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Speaker 1: some of the original interviews from her incredible documentary nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy one. Finally, our deepest gratitude to the courageous Citizens

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Speaker 1: Commission to Investigate the FBI, Bill Davidon, Ralph Daniel, Judy

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Speaker 1: fine Gold, Keith Forsyth, Bonnie Rains, John Rains, Sarah Schumer

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Speaker 1: and Bob Williamson,