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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean you know, oh yeah right, Sometimes

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Speaker 3: you just gotta let that thing out right. Friday April

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Speaker 3: twenty eight, twenty twenty three, You've stumbled right into the

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Speaker 3: award winning combat sports showcase known as Morning Combat. I'm

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Speaker 3: BDE the American ALF. I got a couple other names.

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Speaker 3: They're really not all that accurate, probably in reality to

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Speaker 3: my persona, but I'm here anyway. My name is Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 3: We got a great show for you today and a

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Speaker 3: analyst period. How's that for friendship? Hey it's Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Wow you just did you see? I got you see?

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Speaker 2: I got a shout out from the champ Izzy on

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Speaker 3: The they call you a honkey by any chance, Luke.

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Speaker 2: No, he did not call me a honky or a cracker,

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Speaker 2: which I explained yesterday. Let me ask you to see,

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Speaker 3: Because I try to look at the scoreboard and see

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Speaker 3: That's no, I really haven't been called a honky too often. Well,

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Speaker 3: how did we end up there? Luke? Okay? I mean,

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Speaker 3: do you hear what temos staying lately? Where are we

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Speaker 3: We got a great combat sports show for you today.

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Speaker 2: By the way, and his dad doing him zip favors

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in that regard. All right, we are going to

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Speaker 3: UFC Fight Night in Vegas and of course the BKFC

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Speaker 3: The Broomfield, Colorado. I just just by there on my

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Speaker 3: You and I are going to have a draft to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I would love to have take on JP

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Speaker 3: A good one coming through. Shout out to Mikey Mormil

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Speaker 3: Shout out to all the labels that pay us, including

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Speaker 3: of that fight later in today's show Bellator as well

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Speaker 3: take the plunge on that morningcombat Dot stores our merch, Luke,

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Speaker 3: Maybe, But Luke, you know Rjuh, I mean, we're at

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Speaker 2: Big Ray was great. People loved the bomber jackets. That

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, like Pat Tillman, Luke, we will not forget

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Speaker 3: All right. How did we end up there, Luke? Do

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Speaker 3: All right, Well hopefully, Luke. You're taking your Caldera Lab

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Speaker 2: Sam is watching Sam. Time to get into action.

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Speaker 3: You know what to do? All right? Last time we

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Speaker 2: I just want to point out that, like, I'm literally

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Speaker 3: Are you trying to say you're some really expensive whitening

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Speaker 2: It is unusual when you see someone in person who's

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Speaker 3: Teeth look like Barnabas's recycled breakfast this morning. Unfortunately, Louke. Unfortunately.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, you know the premise. We go head

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm not sure if my last pick will work,

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Speaker 3: It's of course, this Saturday fight night at the Apex,

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Speaker 2: Man, it's funny. I looked at your picks after I

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Speaker 2: I'll go Hudolfo Vieira. Now I don't say this with

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Speaker 2: that's exactly what's gonna happen. But at the same time,

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Speaker 2: I don't feel great about the choice, but I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: I mean, if he's gonna if he's gonna put it

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Speaker 2: That's right. I mean, if you can't win here, then

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Speaker 3: Currently Brunda j plus two hundred underdog against the minus

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that was a thing. To take your

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Speaker 3: I have my poller, couple rankings and MMA on my

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Speaker 3: only pipes later this evening. By the way, CAMEO dot

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Speaker 3: log in join me. All right, let's go to my favorite, Luke.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna stay on this UFC Fight Night card and

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Speaker 3: We know what he can do. We know he gets

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Speaker 3: He's a minus one fifty favorite against for Padilla. It's

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Speaker 3: track here, Luke at thirty three that lost to Casra's

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Speaker 3: He's made some good improvements. Can he be stopped? Can

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Speaker 2: Freaks Jesus. Okay, we have a bit of a problem.

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Speaker 2: Am I allowed to pick the same underdog as you?

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Speaker 3: Uh no, you're allowed to where you're not you know

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Speaker 2: I've misread the odds.

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Speaker 3: God damn it, No, no, you you picked?

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Speaker 2: Uh No, I got to I've misread the odds. I

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Speaker 3: Oh you're right, you're right. Yeah. How about this, Luke.

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Speaker 2: Can you make a one time exception and we can

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Speaker 3: Okay, Luke, but then we're gonna have the same you know,

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Speaker 2: There, I know, but we do. We didn't have a great.

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Speaker 3: I'll switch it up on you. You stick with yours,

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Speaker 2: So I'll stick with mine. I had it backwards, so

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna stick with mine. Mine is gonna be Eddie

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Speaker 2: But because Eddie Alvarez is the bigger guy, and God

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna go in that same direction. Now

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Speaker 3: that go there underdog on the fly though, Luke, let's

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Speaker 3: stay in that UFC card. I'm gonna go with the

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Speaker 3: Polish power. I'm gonna go Punchki's only on this breakfast

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Speaker 3: Mehal Michael, however you want to say it all Olix

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Speaker 3: Chase Check plus two nine five against Kyle Barrajo minus

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Speaker 3: three seventy. Uh. Alpharan is gonna have to get this

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Speaker 3: into a brawl, Luke. But if he does your boys

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Speaker 3: a little bit wild at times, right, Kyle.

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Speaker 2: The uh sort of sort of on the ground, not

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Speaker 3: Yes, we're gonna have to see this be a little

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Speaker 2: All right for over under I'm gonna stick with this, Uh,

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna alter on the fly to make up

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Speaker 3: on the BKFC forty one very interesting main event, Luke

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Speaker 3: rock Hold, Mike Perry, Perry, you're betting favorite at the moment.

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Speaker 2: For the main event Mike Perry minus one ninety Luke

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Speaker 3: Well, look, I'm talking about which fight will go over

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Speaker 2: All right. I'm not sure if I can pick this

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Speaker 2: when I had enough rules.

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Speaker 3: So stick with it, Luke, Just stick.

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Speaker 2: With it, all right. I mean, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: But I think the fight between Mike Perry and Luke

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Speaker 2: why that one might go to this again, these BKFC

430
00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,520
Speaker 2: fights are weird, man, And though the one with Mike

431
00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,000
Speaker 2: Perry and then MVP went an extra round after that,

432
00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,200
Speaker 2: so you know they can they can. They can move

433
00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,920
Speaker 2: in really unpredictable ways. But I just feel like Mike

434
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:54,680
Speaker 2: Perry's doggedness and Luke Rockold's susceptibility to a big shot

435
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,960
Speaker 2: just has this one set up probably for Mike to win.

436
00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,000
Speaker 2: But here's the other part about it. Luke is huge

437
00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,240
Speaker 2: and if he can even at one of the five

438
00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 2: leverage some of that natural size advantage to himself and

439
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,040
Speaker 2: Mike Perry is quite hittable. Honestly, he could go down too,

440
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,280
Speaker 2: So I think Perry versus rock hold ends in KO.

441
00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,239
Speaker 3: We also could see cuts come into this enforce an

442
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,600
Speaker 3: early stoppage, so you never know. Interesting pick there. I'm

443
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,160
Speaker 3: gonna go the same on the idea of how it's

444
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,040
Speaker 3: gonna finish. I'm gonna take a knockout for my pick,

445
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:22,639
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna go back to UFC. We've got this

446
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,520
Speaker 3: heavyweight tilt on the six fight main card, Marcos Jugerio

447
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:32,800
Speaker 3: Delima against newcomer Waldo Cortes Acosta Luke. They both have

448
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,640
Speaker 3: been in stoppages more often than not before. You got

449
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,119
Speaker 3: two heavyweights looking to bang and make their name. I'm

450
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,200
Speaker 3: gonna take the KO on this one.

451
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,439
Speaker 2: I believe. I believe Cortez a Costa is from the

452
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 2: Dominican Republic. If I'm not mistaken, there you go. All right,

453
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 2: there's not many not a lot of Dominican male fighters

454
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:51,959
Speaker 2: in the UFC.

455
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,440
Speaker 3: No, a lot of great shortstops, Luke, but but not

456
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 3: you know, a few boxers, but not a ton of

457
00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 3: MMA stars. Right there, that's our okay, bed head to head.

458
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 3: We'll see how these things continue and play out, Luke.

459
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,120
Speaker 3: I didn't want to go too much further without closing

460
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 3: on that interesting rock hold Mike Perry fight. Ultimately, how

461
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,679
Speaker 3: do you think it goes down? Who gets the advantage here?

462
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 3: And do you think it leads the winner into something

463
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 3: big in that promotion or not?

464
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 2: I feel like the winner here is going to be

465
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 2: set up to do something kind of interesting. I tend

466
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 2: to think Mike, as I indicated with the betting, I

467
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 2: tend to think Mike Perry's going to get that done.

468
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 2: And I feel like if Mike Perry goes in there,

469
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:42,160
Speaker 2: like honestly, honestly, Mike Perry's best winning UFC was probably

470
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 2: Paul Felder, but that was Felder going up a weight

471
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 2: class and it just didn't really work out well for him.

472
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 2: I remember covering that fight live, and you know, Felder

473
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 2: was talking about how he felt much better at one seventy,

474
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 2: but then when you saw him land cleanly on Mike,

475
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 2: it just didn't have much of an effect. You know,

476
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 2: obviously he's a bigger do like, the power is not

477
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 2: going to be the same. So you know, that's a

478
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 2: nice win by Mike. But if you really think about it,

479
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 2: like what's his best win in BKFC, it's definitely MVP.

480
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 2: And then you add Luke Rockold to it, like, honestly,

481
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 2: we're talking about what it means for Like for BKFC,

482
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 2: it's one thing, but if Mike Perry goes in here

483
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,880
Speaker 2: and beats Luke Rockold, you could very easily. In fact,

484
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 2: I think he'd be required to say his best wins

485
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 2: have happened in bare knuckle, not in MMA, certainly over

486
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 2: the most high profile opponents, and in this particular case,

487
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 2: one that's much larger than him and was a UFC

488
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 2: weight class champion in his prime. I mean, that's a

489
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 2: remarkable turn for a guy where his best work was

490
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 2: not in MMA, his best work was done in a

491
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 2: sort of a composite or you know, competing similar combat sport.

492
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Speaker 2: That is amazing to really consider. For Luke Rockold, I

493
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 2: think he'd be a lot of redemption, a lot of redemption.

494
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 2: Even though Mike Perry is smaller and whatnot. We know

495
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 2: he is the underdog heading into this weekend. And you

496
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 2: know that fight against Paula Costa was weird, but it wasn't.

497
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 2: He didn't come out looking great in that one. If

498
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 2: he comes out here and he has a good jab

499
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 2: and he's stinging and he's sticking and he's moving, boy,

500
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 2: that would be I would do a lot too. I

501
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 2: think restore a his competitive possibilities to make money at

502
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 2: age thirty eight, but also like, you know what kind

503
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 2: of an overall fighter slash to some extent martial artist

504
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 2: he actually is.

505
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that if we're going skill for skill in

506
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,959
Speaker 3: this particular sport, you get. While the betting oddsman lean

507
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 3: Perry on this one, I think Luke's gonna have to

508
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 3: show us a lot as much as I'm picking in

509
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 3: an okay bet for him to ultimately go the distance here,

510
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 3: which is possible because Luke this BKFC thing, it is

511
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 3: still a little bit weird for anyone who's coming from

512
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 3: MMA or boxing as either a fan or competitor and

513
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 3: trying to just imagine that it's the same type of

514
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 3: fight you can hurt your fists early. Not everybody knows

515
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 3: how to really get the right leverage behind the bare

516
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 3: knuckle shots to make them work. Some guys like Mike

517
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 3: Perry are like, look, I'm just gonna get in your

518
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 3: chest and spam you. There's also the potential of using

519
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 3: that dirty boxing and the clinching to you to your favor.

520
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 3: It's hard to really know, you know, even if even

521
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 3: if Rockle comes out and establishes a stiff jab and

522
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 3: uses his size and can even hurt Mike, is that

523
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 3: gonna be enough to know? It's these these flights are

524
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,479
Speaker 3: hard to bet on. But I think Mike Perry is

525
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 3: just much better built for this. And I wonder if

526
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 3: rock Hold's riding some of that his own epiphany from

527
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 3: that coast to fight of you know what, I am

528
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 3: a warrior. Why not let's just be that. Is that

529
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 3: the best place for him to be right now? Outside

530
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 3: of the paycheck? No, I mean rock Hold's a skilled

531
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,360
Speaker 3: technician in there. I mean he can hurt you for sure.

532
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 3: He's got great top game. He's got he's got so

533
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 3: many parts of his MMA game that are great. But

534
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,479
Speaker 3: we're just as shocked as anyone that he's doing this

535
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 3: to be fair, right, you know.

536
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 2: Also, like here's the part too, Like if you caught

537
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 2: early early Luke Rockhold, this somewhat makes sense. Like for example,

538
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: when he fought Jackaray for the Strike Force middleweight title

539
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 2: and he won it. This was just prior, yeah, just

540
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 2: prior to their subsequent move to UFC. You'll see rock

541
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 2: Hold was a dog like. In fact, Jacquaray was clearly

542
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 2: the much more senior, I think, well rounded fighter at

543
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 2: that time. But rock Hold just had a little bit

544
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 2: of that bite down on the mouthpiece and go to him,

545
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: and it made the difference in the end, actually, and

546
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: it's why he won. I can see why he sees

547
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 2: himself that way, given that he has actually performed well

548
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 2: in Bouts of Consequence previously. But what a long time ago, man,

549
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 2: That was a really long time ago, and the miles

550
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,719
Speaker 2: have been considerable, and Mike Perry is just not to

551
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 2: be trifled with in a format like this, dude. So

552
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 2: I appreciate what rock Hold. I appreciate the spirit that

553
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 2: he's bringing, I really do, But it's an uphill climb, man.

554
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 3: Closing question, because the temperature on Mike Perry, you do

555
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 3: have to admit and agree, has turned significantly along with

556
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 3: you know, in on par with his own maturation as

557
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 3: an adult male. I mean, it wasn't that long ago

558
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 3: that he's knocking out old dudes in bars, Like it

559
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 3: was real, not that long ago. But it's a different

560
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 3: man now. He's a family man, he's got two kids.

561
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 3: You see the video of coach Littory presenting him with

562
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 3: the Nike boxing shoes for this fight, Like, he just

563
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 3: seems like this happy ass dude. If he goes out

564
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 3: there and beats lou Grocold and like you said, now

565
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 3: has maybe the best wins in his career back to

566
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 3: back in this sport. Is he now fan favorite Mike Perry,

567
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 3: Like this has been a remarkable public turnaround.

568
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 2: He might. I mean he looks to me like one

569
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: of these guys who growing up and for a long

570
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 2: time maybe didn't have much, you know, just didn't need

571
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 2: both material possessions and then also achievements that boosted his

572
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: life in a kind of noticeable way. I don't know

573
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: if he had any of those things, but now he's

574
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: got some of those things. He's got some decent paychecks,

575
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 2: he's got some big wins, he's got some big fights,

576
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 2: and he's got a family, and he's got love in

577
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: his life, and like, you know, if your bank accounts

578
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: full and so is your heart, it's just hard to

579
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: be as angry at the world and kind of like

580
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 2: lashing out at it. And whether that will change him

581
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 2: as a competitor, I doubt it, at least for this

582
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 2: particular fight. But yeah, I think those changes have made

583
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: him a lot more approachable, a lot more likable, and

584
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 2: you know, the dude wants the smoke in a way

585
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: that is a fight Fans, there's a lot to like

586
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 2: about this version of Mike Perry that just wasn't there

587
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: maybe three or four years ago.

588
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 3: Luke. Some people now this is getting close to home.

589
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 3: But some people believe all the words you just said

590
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 3: also apply to you after Tuky and BC appeared in

591
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 3: your life.

592
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 2: I don't know about BC, but definitely Tuky.

593
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 3: Okay, Well there you go. Hey, look, let's go quickly,

594
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 3: not a topic too and keep the show moving. Hey,

595
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 3: Nate Diaz, Yeah we saw him on have you seen

596
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 3: this shit on Monday? But this thing won't go away.

597
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 3: Remember in the streets of New Orleans after the Misfits

598
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 3: boxing card on Saturday, it was Nate Diaz choking out

599
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 3: a Logan Paul look alike. Subsequently, alternate angles of that

600
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 3: video have come out that made it to be fair

601
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 3: look a lot more like self defense. Well, Nate Diaz

602
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: voluntary turned voluntarily turned himself in a couple of days

603
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 3: ago to the New Orleans Police Department at seven ten

604
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 3: am Central time. According to the statement here from Zach Rosenfeld,

605
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 3: we continue to look forward to presenting all the evidence

606
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 3: and videos that show Nate was acting in self defense

607
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: and that a restaurant was for suspicion of second degree battery.

608
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 3: And those charges are considered a felony in Louisiana and

609
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 3: do carry a maximum potential penalty of up to eight

610
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 3: years in prison quote with or without hard labor, and

611
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 3: up to a two thousand dollars Fine, Luke, do you

612
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 3: believe here, after seeing multiple angles and after really taking

613
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 3: stock of the scenario, that there is a strong case

614
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 3: to make that Nate Diaz was a civilian who acted

615
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 3: in self defense.

616
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you it's weird in these red states

617
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 2: that have the stand your ground laws, because that can

618
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 2: really change the dynamics significantly. It's actually of note that

619
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Speaker 2: yesterday news broke that Joe Shilling, former a belitoire kickboxer,

620
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: belit or MMA fighter, glory kickboxer, one of the better

621
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: American talents certainly during my day. He was granted civil

622
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: immunity from a lawsuit because he was in two years

623
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: ago involved in a he knocked a guy out in

624
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: a bar very quickly, and there's video of it. I'm

625
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 2: sure most hooks have seen it, and I guess there

626
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: staniard guy laws in Florida obviously, so he was not

627
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: held criminally liable. And then even though he was sued,

628
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: because he was not held criminally liable, he was there

629
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: before given civil immunity since all of it was by

630
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: according to Florida law above reproach. So Joe Shilling felt

631
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: like he had been done wrong by the media, had

632
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: been done wrong by other actors in the space, and

633
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: that he was utterly exonerated. I will tell you watching

634
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: the tape, you know, it looks like he is the aggressor,

635
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: but then there's some nuances to it where the guy

636
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 2: he knocks out does this in his face right before it,

637
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: and Joe had I guess, either testified or somehow made

638
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: it known that he had considered that to be a threat,

639
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 2: and he exercised on that threat, and he was ultimately exonerated.

640
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: So these situations can look one way and then be

641
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: legally handed out another one. I don't know enough about

642
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: the law in Louisiana or New Orleans, in particular about

643
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: how that's all applied to make a clear legal kit claim.

644
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: And I especially thought, I've known Joe Shilling for some

645
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: and I met his family who are just like, legitimately

646
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: like the sweetest people on earth, like really great people,

647
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: and and so I was worried about him. I was worried,

648
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: Like I was like, dude, like it's just not worth

649
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: the trouble. I still hold that to be the case

650
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: in just about every scenario where MMA fighters are get

651
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: you know whatever profighters are getting into trouble in public.

652
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 2: And in Nate's case too, do like it's obviously he

653
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: needs security, like real security to can keep him out

654
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: of trouble, especially now he's out on bond, by the way,

655
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: so like your margin of error is thin at this point,

656
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 2: and the DS guys roll deep. So I don't know

657
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: if he'll be exonerated. I certainly hope, but it's just

658
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: a one more reminder that yeah, you might get out

659
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: of the situation and shouts to joshill In, congrats to him,

660
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: he got out of his scott free. I'm happy for him,

661
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: I legitimately am, But I still feel like using violence

662
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 2: to adjudicate dispute in anything other than a last resort,

663
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: it's gonna go poorly for you. Over time, It's gonna

664
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: go poorly.

665
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 3: That's not wrong to say. And when you're a professional

666
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 3: fighter and you've got them dangerous hands and feet, Luca,

667
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: you know that you can classify as dangerous weapons, that

668
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 3: also changes the equation. I do think there's a marked

669
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: difference from the facts that we do have. Though in

670
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: comparing the Shilling situation to Nate Diaz, I'm not saying

671
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 3: that Shilling wasn't in a spot where there was this

672
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 3: drunk asshole harassing everybody and threatening that. You know, violence

673
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 3: wasn't you know, was it needed or was it even

674
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 3: close to the conversation? You know, it's hard, you know,

675
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 3: we weren't there, We weren't. We weren't able to tell.

676
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 3: But like some of that instant media reaction to the

677
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 3: Joe Shilling thing was sort of like, you're, you know,

678
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 3: an elite level fighter and multiple disciplines. This is some

679
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: drunk guy in a bar. Maybe the best thing is

680
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 3: to just diffuse that, call the cops and not knock

681
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 3: him out. I think when you see all the footage

682
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 3: of the Nate Diaz situation and you take into account

683
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 3: that it was in a street in which fights were

684
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 3: breaking out, this logan Paul looklike guy who, oh, by

685
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: the way, has an MMA background was also coming after Nate,

686
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 3: as the video shows like aggressively. And on top of that,

687
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 3: you know what Nate didn't do. He didn't plowt a weapon,

688
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 3: he didn't throw haymaker punches all around that could have

689
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: caught people randomly. He subdued the biggest threat in a

690
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 3: somewhat efficient way.

691
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: Now.

692
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: I know, he choked him and then dropped him like

693
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 3: you know, Bones Jones versus Machidah and the guy hit

694
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 3: his head on the ground, But he also diffused the

695
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: situation using these you know, dangerous and elite skills that

696
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 3: he has, and I think that situation was much more

697
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 3: volatile and violent. And when you tie that to there

698
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 3: is a culture in the influencer boxing space as we

699
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 3: play these videos often on have you seen this shit

700
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 3: to do ridiculous things to try to get people to

701
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 3: fight you. We've seen that go down from gotcha hat

702
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 3: to remember when that radio announcer guy Joey B or

703
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 3: Scotti B, whatever the hell that guy's name was, he

704
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: wanted to fight Malanaji really bad, so he kept pouring

705
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 3: like shaving cream on his head in public. Remember Corey B.

706
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 3: You know what I'm talking about. And guess what They

707
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 3: ended up having a boxing match to settle that. I

708
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 3: feel like in this case, Luke, this is the same

709
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 3: night that somebody that chased him more through something at

710
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 3: Nate that there's already height intentions. Can we argue get

711
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 3: security and maybe even avoid crazy vault so public situations. Yes,

712
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 3: I can argue that for anyone that's famous. By the way,

713
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 3: I could do the whole What are you going to

714
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 3: gain by being in the club at two am when

715
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 3: you already have everything? I can do that bit. But

716
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 3: I also believe in this case that I think Nate

717
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 3: was kind of in the right in that situation. I mean,

718
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 3: a guy with fighting experiences coming at him in a

719
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 3: way right, and Nate just took control of it. Diffuse

720
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 3: that guy put that guy out and moved on. Dude,

721
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 3: we expect Nate to, like, you know, he's two oh nine,

722
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 3: you kind of expect him to like pull out a

723
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 3: weapon or start a massive riot. No, he just took

724
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: care of the situation almost like expertly, like a mature,

725
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 3: trained person should. I think this is far different from

726
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 3: the Shilling situation.

727
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not saying that too already equivalent, but the

728
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: news about him making bond and then the shilling resolution

729
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 2: in the civil trial came out the same day, so

730
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: there is a natural comparison. Just by or share the

731
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: timeline of the reporting. I think your points are well taken.

732
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: I've seen some of those videos as well. To me,

733
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: it's not so clear that it's you know, Nate going

734
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: there and acting all crazy when these scenarios. To your point,

735
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: he used situation to sort of diffuse the attack or

736
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: dropping him on his Head's not great, but it wasn't

737
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: like from the top. It was sort of like from

738
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: halfway anyway. I'll just point this out, like the amount

739
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: of risk that these guys expose themselves to, and then

740
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 2: because they're capable fighters, how they want to use that

741
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 2: to adjudicate the problem in a world where and especially

742
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: in a country that's armed to the teeth with this

743
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, I just think is a risk not

744
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: worth taking ninety nine percent of the time if it

745
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 2: worked out for this fighter or that fighter, and it

746
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: might work out for Nate because I think your recitation

747
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 2: is pretty accurate. Great, great, but they don't need to

748
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: be in situations like that to begin with. Some discretion

749
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 2: is some discretion is advised in that way.

750
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 3: Right, you get stabbed from behind or something, then you

751
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 3: may never fight again.

752
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: You may doe Leandro Low. How about Leandro Lo? This

753
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: was in Brazil, but they also have obviously weapons problems

754
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: there as well. He gets into some dispute in a

755
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: club over a bottle, uses it to get his bottle

756
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: back when the guy takes it, and the guy just

757
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: ices him right in front of his face. Now that's

758
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 2: not the same thing as what happened here, which is

759
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: a little bit more about self defense versus not. But

760
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: what I'm pointing out is it's a volatile, deeply unpredictable world,

761
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: and there are dangerous, stupid people who would love nothing

762
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: more than to lord that over everyone, and problems happen

763
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: when it does. Dude like Leandro Lo should not be

764
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: dead today, but he is by virtue of just the

765
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 2: world we live in. Some appreciation for that those limits,

766
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: I think is more than prudent, it's necessary at this point.

767
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 3: So does fake did fake logan Paul press the charges

768
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 3: or was this because the video became so viral that

769
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 3: the department had to press charges.

770
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: I'm not sure about that part. I actually don't know

771
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: he did certain states, and well, certain states they don't

772
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: need the victim to pre charges and every jurisdiction that's

773
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 2: not necessarily the case.

774
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 3: So and when a video gets that viral and it's

775
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 3: it's obvious that it's that city, I could see them

776
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 3: wanting to step up and put that out. But I

777
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 3: just wonder, like, this is what this fake logan Paul

778
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 3: guy wanted. He wanted an interaction here, he got it.

779
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 3: There is to some degree still like the play stupid games,

780
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 3: get stupid prizes thing going on, right, Like, I like.

781
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, the reason why someone was making an argument.

782
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,959
Speaker 2: It's like, hey, if Connor did this, you guys would

783
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: be killing him for it. And I'm like, well, there

784
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: might be something to the idea that Nate gets better

785
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: treatment for the media than Connor does for his adverse

786
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: behavior and that there's something to that. I think. On

787
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 2: the other hand, it's like, dude, look at who Nate

788
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: is slapping around and choking out. You know, it's mostly

789
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 2: just d bags, Like Connor punched an old man in

790
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 2: the bar for like no fucking reason. Like that's a

791
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 2: very sympathetic character. The problem is, like if you're I mean,

792
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: the guy's life is he's a fake logan, Like the

793
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: whole thing is just the saddest you ever heard of

794
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 2: in your life. You know, he's lost money on NFTs

795
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: somewhere in his life, right, and probably a lot of money.

796
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: That's the kind of guy who lost money in crypto

797
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: for sure. You know, these are not sympathetic characters. They

798
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: they it's like these guys and I saw one of them,

799
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: the guy Chase to Moore, who was involved like on

800
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: the other side of the street with who knows else

801
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: was involved in that thing, and then he puts out

802
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 2: a video afterwards like Nate, I'm coming for you. It's like, guys,

803
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 2: why are you trying to fuck with like wild animals? Like,

804
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 2: I mean, that's not who they are, but I'm saying it.

805
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 3: It feels changing clout for life changing clout and money.

806
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 3: It's look, you know, what's one thing we don't identify

807
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 3: a lot because the Paul Brothers when they have Box,

808
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 3: they've tried their best to take it as serious a

809
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 3: turn and approach as possible. Is they still though, have

810
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 3: that you know, next generation social media influencer idea in

811
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: their head that like anything that happens to me and

812
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 3: me get knocked out cold in the ring in front

813
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 3: of millions, it's worth it because my life's a movie

814
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 3: and look at this crazy thing I just did. A

815
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 3: lot of guys I think in this era have some

816
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 3: of that too, of like let me film myself getting

817
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 3: knocked cold, right, like they just want to be a

818
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 3: part of that. But also you're finding out right now

819
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 3: that you could get life changing money and become like

820
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 3: overnight famous. I didn't know Chase de Moore was before

821
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 3: he got decued over the weekend Luke and then threw

822
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 3: shit at an ideas. Now he's trying to get himself

823
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 3: into a fight where he can make millions for doing that.

824
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: So you do kind of get it, You.

825
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 2: Get it, I get it on the sense of these

826
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 2: guys are just creatures of attention, like they's so attention

827
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: starve that any version of it, no matter if it's

828
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: unceremonious or totally degrading, they'll take it because X some

829
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: is better than none, Right, So that's the way they go.

830
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 2: But I just mean to say, like I'm here cautioning

831
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 2: these MMA fighters to stay out of trouble as best

832
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 2: they can, especially the senior ones. We've got some money

833
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 2: they can be sued out of. On the other side,

834
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean if they'll do it. And these fucking morons,

835
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 2: these these influencers fucking with real pro fighter, not smart

836
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: super super super super not smart dude, one of these

837
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 2: guys is gonna fuck one of them up. And that's

838
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: not advisable either. I don't commend it or recommend it,

839
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 2: applaud it or anything. But these guys keep doing this shit,

840
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: they're gonna get it. Not everyone is Dylan Danis who

841
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 2: just takes l's like that and doesn't do anything about it.

842
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: Some of these guys are gonna do something about it.

843
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: It's gonna be ugly, all right.

844
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 3: There you go, Hey, Luke, let's light over to topic

845
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 3: at number three. I think it's about time we do

846
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 3: a Francis and Gano update. You know I stood behind

847
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: him huge and I still do on the idea of

848
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 3: the reasons why he walked away from the UFC gave

849
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 3: up the Heavyweight Championship a mid debate over a failed

850
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 3: negotiation of not just for more money but obviously for

851
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 3: fighter treatment and everything like that. But here we are

852
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 3: X amount of months later, and to be fair, the

853
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 3: UFC has moved on rather quickly, although it obviously helped

854
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 3: that they had John Jones and the Bullpen waiting, but

855
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 3: that division's turned around into the future with big matchups coming.

856
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 3: Daniel Whites basically said and Ganda will never fight here again,

857
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 3: and Ghanu has still yet to sign anywhere specific, whether

858
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 3: that's MMA with the suitors like one pfl and or Bellator,

859
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 3: and the potential of crossover boxing matches against maybe Tyson

860
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 3: Fury or Deontay Wilder or Anthony Joshua. The latest update

861
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 3: we do have, though, is Chautri Sidyongtong, the head of

862
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 3: One Championship, caught up with Ariel Hawani this week on

863
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 3: the MMA Hour and said, quote, Francis has an X factor.

864
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 3: He's a giant monster. He has a bunch of offers on

865
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 3: the table. He's waiting on our final offer we have

866
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 3: given him. I don't know my team did it, but

867
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 3: I'm going to meet with Francis this Saturday, Luke, I'll

868
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 3: quickly throw it to some sound. I caught up with

869
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: the Ace himself, the Ace whole, Rich Franklin, vice president

870
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: of One Championship and UFC Hero and I did bring

871
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 3: up this question about Chatre's comments and about the idea

872
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 3: of Francis to one. Would you like that let's hear

873
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 3: from Mace here before we react.

874
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 4: Uh, you know, I mean, put'm a fighter cap on

875
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 4: here completely. Yeah, you have to because on the back end,

876
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 4: you know, look, this is this is the fighter life.

877
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 4: I wake up now sometimes I have a stiff back,

878
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 4: you know, a little tight here and.

879
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 3: That there from all the years of abuse.

880
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 4: And so while you're competing, you know, you have to

881
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 4: take advantage of those years and do as well as

882
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 4: you can financially, because once that closes out, a lot

883
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 4: of athletes have difficulty reinventing themselves or finding a placement

884
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 4: somewhere in the industry or whatever it is they're going

885
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 4: to do to make money. And so it's like the

886
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 4: more successful you can be with your finances, the better

887
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,479
Speaker 4: off you can be down the road because your money

888
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 4: makes money for you rather than you having to work. Unfortunately,

889
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 4: for me, a college educated guide and have been blessed

890
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 4: with making good business decisions financially throughout my career. But

891
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 4: then post fight career, I've had a great career with

892
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 4: one championship, so things worked out really well for me.

893
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 4: But making a mistake about it. I would not have

894
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 4: been complaining had I had another decimal place on the

895
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 4: paycheck when I was competing as an athlete. So you know,

896
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 4: when there's a fight and people are making money, this

897
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 4: is coming from a fighter. At the end of the day,

898
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 4: you know, if you're going to fight, you're the one

899
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 4: that's gonna have to busted up knee or the broken

900
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 4: bones or the scar from the stitching and all that

901
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 4: kind of stuff. Ten, fifteen, twenty years down the road.

902
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 4: Not the promoter, not the fans, not anybody else.

903
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: It's you.

904
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: That complete interview smart you can check out at YouTube

905
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 3: dot com Slash Morning Combat of course. Setting up next

906
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 3: week's one debut in the US Friday night on Prime Video. Luke,

907
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 3: let's ask the hard question here, and that was obviously

908
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 3: rich talking about the Francis decision in general. Rich also said, hey,

909
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 3: we'd love to have him at one. I'd love to

910
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 3: put him in there against the winner of Argent Buler

911
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 3: versus Malakin there, which would be an incredible fight. Before

912
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: I get to where he's going and where he should go,

913
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 3: I do believe the tide has turned publicly, for whatever

914
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 3: that's worth. A lot of people go and see Francis.

915
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: That's why we don't bet on ourselves and take chances. Look,

916
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 3: you ain't got shit. He also hasn't signed yet. But

917
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 3: as we stand right now, now has Francis and Ganu

918
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 3: lost this battle already by choosing to give up the

919
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 3: UFC and go on his owners. It's still too early

920
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 3: to tell.

921
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: How would it be anything other than too early to tell?

922
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: Like I don't even understand the argument, Like he didn't

923
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: into say again, there's a.

924
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: Lot of people that are going you missed John Jones.

925
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 3: You asked for things that can never be given, and

926
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 3: you know, blah blah blah. So what are you going

927
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 3: to do? You go sell yourself to box and go ahead.

928
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 3: Everyone's moved down without you. That seems to be that.

929
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 3: And look, I don't engage in that. I still think

930
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 3: just a bunch of clean close to that virtue. He

931
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 3: made a virtue decision. Let's let it play out first.

932
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: Well, he made a business decision too. I mean, even

933
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 2: if it was based on values, it had business implications,

934
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: and those will we were its head. Listen, we were

935
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: not blind to the risk he was taking. I think

936
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: on this podcast you and I were both saying we

937
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 2: really admired his gusto, but it involves some risk. There's

938
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 2: real risk, right, and people being like, oh, you know,

939
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: we haven't signed anywhere else who you're gonna fight. Well,

940
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: there's a reason why it's difficult to find other options.

941
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: It's because the industry is controlled by a dominant monopoly

942
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 2: power and you work outside of that. Yeah, it's gonna

943
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: be hard to get fights. I mean, I think he

944
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 2: knew that a couple of things. I would say number one,

945
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 2: to the extent that it was a principal decision, and

946
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 2: everyone else can make up their mind about it. But

947
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: to the extent it was one, it's already one that

948
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: has paid off in the principled sense, right where what

949
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: is the reward of virtue? As Aristotle taught us many many,

950
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 2: many many moons ago, virtue is its own reward. If

951
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 2: your desire is to live according to your virtues, then

952
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 2: doing that no matter the external costs is the point.

953
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: It's people don't think about it. I mean, these influencers

954
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 2: live the opposite kind of lifestyle utterly principle, free of

955
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: any kind of dignity or anything else, and self respect,

956
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 2: and so they go work in the opposite direction. That

957
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: seems to be the modern way of understanding growth and

958
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 2: achievement is the sort of transactionalism that goes with it.

959
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: So I want to point that out. But the bigger

960
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 2: issue is talking about the business implications. We haven't even

961
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 2: begun to see how this is gonna play out. The

962
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: idea that it's already over is moronic. It's not even

963
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: where where do they haven't He hasn't even caught the

964
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 2: ball on the kickoff yet, Like we're still in between

965
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: their touchdown and waiting to punt to the other guy.

966
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 2: Like that's how far back we are. Because the point

967
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: I'm trying to make here is this, like we don't

968
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: know what Deonta is gonna do. We don't know what

969
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: Tyson Fury's gonna do. All he has to do is

970
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 2: get one of those fights, one of them, and he

971
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 2: will make oodles and oodles and oodles of fucking money,

972
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: and it might take some time to do it. I

973
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 2: don't know, so we'll have to see on the On

974
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: these other side, Like if you don't think that these

975
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: other MME promotions are trying to like throw cash at him,

976
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: they absolutely are. He's waiting for his best opportunity. So

977
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,439
Speaker 2: what I would say is, listen one more time. Let's

978
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: remind folks, did Francis Anghan who take a big ass

979
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: risk leaving in the way that he did given the landscape.

980
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 2: There's simply no denying it, and he very well may

981
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 2: fall from a business standpoint, flat on his face. It

982
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 2: is far far too early to tell what that is

983
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 2: gonna look like.

984
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 3: I fully agree with that, And I also think that

985
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 3: because he stated outright that boxing would be his first priority,

986
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: that's gonna be the biggest check most likely he could

987
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 3: possibly get. Like you said, that may take time to

988
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 3: negotiate maneuver, but he's not gonna then publicly sign for

989
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 3: the most part, unless a great deal comes in that

990
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 3: he can't pass up, he's not gonna then announce. Oh yeah,

991
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 3: I also signed with the PFL too, you know, right,

992
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 3: now he's gonna wait, unlike Jake Paul Luke, He's gonna wait,

993
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 3: you know, finish out the boxing part and then move

994
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 3: on and go to that side. So there's still time.

995
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 3: Now let's talk about the idea of chatre saying, yeah,

996
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 3: we've we're in the middle of talks and we're gonna

997
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 3: speak again. Luke, who do you think right now is

998
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 3: the clubhouse leader in getting him on the MMA side?

999
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 3: And I asked that with the hedge of we haven't

1000
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 3: received any internal communication. All you hear right now are rumors,

1001
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: but there is some thoughts of the idea that Belator

1002
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 3: could be for sale, could PFL have interest, like there

1003
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 3: are some sort of whispers out there in the universe

1004
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 3: of what could come, what do you want for Francis's

1005
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 3: MMA future, and what does that look like.

1006
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 2: So let's talk a little bit about that, because I

1007
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: think it's important and I do have a little bit

1008
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 2: of information regarding that that I not shared publicly, so

1009
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: I'll do it here now. There was a report, I'll

1010
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: have to forgive me. I don't know who put it

1011
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 2: out there BC that the PFL was, you know, in

1012
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: the final stages of acquiring Bellator and I saw that,

1013
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: and I was like, because I heard, I've talked to

1014
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 2: some folks who talked to me about the Bellatur sale. Now,

1015
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 2: granted it's been a few months as I talked to them,

1016
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,439
Speaker 2: maybe I could not quite that long, maybe a couple

1017
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 2: of months, And at the time that was not really

1018
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 2: in play. That was not what I was told. I

1019
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 2: circled back to some of them when this report came out,

1020
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 2: and what they told me that here's the quote that

1021
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 2: I was given premature. They didn't say it was wrong,

1022
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 2: they didn't say it was false, And I got to

1023
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 2: tell you a PFL Bellator coming together. There are downsides

1024
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: to that, I mean, because it creates yet more consolidation

1025
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: in the market. On the other hand, in terms of

1026
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: creating not a legitimate competitor, but a secondary organization that

1027
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 2: can put on very meaningful fights that narrows that gap significantly,

1028
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: that's a huge change in the industry.

1029
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 3: If those two joint forces and made one league true

1030
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 3: or false, that has the potential to be even more

1031
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 3: of a power move in the competitive global MMA space

1032
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 3: than when Strikeforce launched the Heavyweight Grand Prix.

1033
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 2: Ooh, okay, yes and no, yes, in the sense that

1034
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 2: they would have a roster that would put them in

1035
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 2: a very elevated place better than Strike Force's roster relative

1036
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 2: to UFC, which we know and turned out. Lucrockold became

1037
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 2: a champ, DC became a champ. For BCO became a champ.

1038
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 2: A lot of guys became champ, although for Risio obviously

1039
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: had a previous in UFC before that, but you get

1040
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 2: the idea, like a lot of guys ended up doing

1041
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 2: really well. I think it would surpass that. The only

1042
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 2: difference is that the UFC controls much more of the

1043
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 2: industry now relative to when Strikeforce was around. But I

1044
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: do think it would be a I would call it

1045
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: a game changer. It would be a game changer if

1046
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 2: PFL in beltor became one organization. I don't know if

1047
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 2: that's gonna happen. I don't know if they're gonna buy

1048
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: like certain rights to it. Who the hell knows what

1049
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 2: all this is gonna end up looking like in the end.

1050
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 2: But if they were to become a single organization and

1051
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 2: you combine those rosters, you'd have something going. Then you'd

1052
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: have something pretty special at that point, which would put

1053
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 2: one on the outside looking in. Because Listen does one

1054
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: even have a heavyweight division aside from Malakin and aside

1055
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 2: from Buller, can you name two or three other one heavyweights?

1056
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 2: Like you really can't? And then here's the interesting part

1057
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 2: about it.

1058
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 3: Sometimes yeah, but he's on it.

1059
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 2: I think he's retiring. And here's my point. I like

1060
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 2: Francis to beat Buller probably without much issue, and he

1061
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: probably beats Malakin too. Malakin might win that one. Malakin

1062
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: is I'm telling you, he's the most under appreciated guy

1063
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 2: in MMA today in terms of what he's achieved and

1064
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 2: how much fanfare he's got. On the back end, Malliken

1065
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 2: is a fucking hammer and a half. He can wrestle, dynamite,

1066
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: ground and pound. He is in your face from the

1067
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 2: word go, dude, he's a problem. So Francis probably beats him,

1068
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 2: but that's not an easy fight. But after that, what

1069
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 2: are you gonna do. It's like a tough challenge that

1070
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 2: nobody knows. I mean, I guess they could have Francis

1071
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: doing some Muay Thai with four ounce gloves, which is

1072
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: also kind of fucking terrifying. But you get my point, Like,

1073
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 2: if I'm him, I'm waiting to see if these two

1074
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: forces consolidate if a boxing opportunity emerges, because that then

1075
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: puts you in some really good options. Right now, it's

1076
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 2: not really that situation that.

1077
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 3: Would be a a I don't know, a welcomed change.

1078
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 3: Not certainly not under the idea of like let's bring

1079
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 3: the UFC down. You know, this topic comes up in

1080
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 3: the pro wrestling space when I used to work in

1081
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 3: Luke of like, you know, everybody wants whether it's AW

1082
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 3: or Japan, everybody wants this, Like everybody wants a head

1083
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 3: to head war because it's the best for competition at

1084
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 3: the end of the day, whether that's WCW versus WWE,

1085
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,919
Speaker 3: and twenty thirteen in boxing there was an HBO versus

1086
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 3: Showtime war in terms of like rosters and making big fights,

1087
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 3: and it was great for fans. That's what we want

1088
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 3: in them and may we want constant competition. We want

1089
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 3: guys to be able to become big name free agents

1090
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 3: and get huge money in doing so. And you want yeah,

1091
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 3: I mean.

1092
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 2: Look, here's the only thing I worry about though with

1093
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 2: that is the only thing I said this to you before,

1094
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 2: like Bellator, and again, who the hell knows what this

1095
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 2: is all going to look like In the end, right,

1096
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 2: But if they did consolidate I would worry about the

1097
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 2: MMA marketplace a little bit, where PFL is gonna want

1098
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 2: not everything that Bellator has, if they can end up

1099
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: purchasing them, they're going going to want the higher end

1100
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 2: version of what they have, which would still create a

1101
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 2: very dynamic organization, the best number two cent strike force.

1102
00:51:54,960 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 2: I can say that right pretty comfortably. But it's going

1103
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 2: to ice out a certain portion of the market that

1104
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 2: some of these fighters rely on, and I don't know

1105
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: who's really going to fill that except for like decidedly

1106
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 2: regional level MMA. Again, it would be good in certain respects,

1107
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 2: it'd be bad in other ones.

1108
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 3: But there are Yeah, so I'm glad you brought that

1109
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 3: up because there is that other side of it, and

1110
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 3: there are people that are like, man, you just want

1111
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 3: to see UFC or you know, WWE go down. That's

1112
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 3: why you're chairing for a competitor. The idea though, of

1113
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 3: having strong competitors in the marketplace when there is no

1114
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 3: setup for interleague play so to speak, that does create

1115
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 3: more division, though, so do you think that's the pulse

1116
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 3: of the fan, That's the pulse of me. After years

1117
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 3: of covering this business, and you know, you want to

1118
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 3: see competition for various reasons. But do you think the

1119
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 3: general fan at home wants anything to do with that

1120
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 3: or they just want the best fighters in the world

1121
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 3: to be under the brand they trust that they tune

1122
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:50,760
Speaker 3: into every Saturday.

1123
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 2: Candidly, I think most fans up to this point have

1124
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: been quite content with the warm blanket of monopoly. If

1125
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: I can just be totally honest with you, it would

1126
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 2: take something dynamic. It's funny everyone. Everyone has a lot

1127
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 2: of like really glowing things to say about. Oh, remember

1128
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 2: the great days of Strikeforce, and they were like Strikeforce

1129
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 2: held a very pre eminent spot. But dude, I remember

1130
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 2: when Strikeforce was around and Gilbert Melendez couldn't get media coverage.

1131
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 2: I remember when Strikeforce launched the Heavyweight Grand Prix and

1132
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 2: everyone panned it and everyone was like, yeah, it's not

1133
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: that great, blah blah blah blah blah, and it turned

1134
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 2: out to be like it had some issues with fad

1135
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 2: Or and Overham never meeting. But you know, produced Daniel

1136
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 2: Cormier in this match with his fight with excuse me

1137
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 2: with Josh Barnett was incredible. I mean, it was just

1138
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 2: this amazing.

1139
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 3: Well shitting on that, Luke, I remember being like insanely

1140
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 3: excited that they might have something over the UFSCO right now.

1141
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 2: And dude, I mean, yes there was. It's mixed. It's

1142
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: always mixed. It's number one or the other. But what

1143
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: I'm telling you is, I know a lot of media

1144
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 2: outlets and fans had a harsh and negative view of

1145
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 2: any non UFC promotion for reasons that can only be

1146
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 2: described as you're just not them, not because they're anything

1147
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 2: wrong with the product, They just didn't have that halo

1148
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 2: over them and it affected them.

1149
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 3: No, No, that is a real fact in reality. So

1150
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 3: I speak for myself, not for the fans.

1151
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 2: Luke, fair enough. Don't you remember Jay Larkin? Remember Jay

1152
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 2: Larkin from the boxing business?

1153
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1154
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he went over to m m A initially I

1155
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: think with the IFL and he thought he was gonna

1156
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: have some grand ideas about how to reshape the industry.

1157
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 2: And he came across prior to his unfortunately and untimely death,

1158
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 2: and Jay Larkin was like, no, no, no, they just

1159
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 2: love monopoly. They don't love anything else. It's a waste

1160
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 2: of time. You know. It's sobering to hear something like that,

1161
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 2: But it's quite real. MMA.

1162
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:43,919
Speaker 3: Fans love Monstopsony like most people like conne lingis Luke right,

1163
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

1164
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 2: I mean just said nothing in the English language. I

1165
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 2: just want to point that out.

1166
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 3: All right, all right? Do you have to close on Francis?

1167
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 3: Are you expecting a decision soon? Or no?

1168
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 2: No, unless unless unless there's like movement around him in

1169
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 2: an unexpected way. But short of that, no, all right.

1170
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 3: Topic four, Luke to a quick roundup of recent fight

1171
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 3: news involving huge names. Does it get any bigger than

1172
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 3: Israel Adisanya? You're middleweight champion once again? But what he

1173
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 3: revealed now was that he was injured ahead of UFC

1174
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 3: two eighty seven in the rematch with Israel with uh

1175
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 3: Alex Padata. In fact, Luke a Grade one MCL tear

1176
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 3: of his knee and strained ligaments were the damage he

1177
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 3: carried into the cage. And I believe we have a

1178
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 3: video related to this.

1179
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 2: This is wild, Yes, another one. He's just because he

1180
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 2: knew he was like, I get him down and look

1181
00:55:46,560 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 2: out what let's slow him down? That damn.

1182
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 3: Fucko was paying for That's okay, It's okay.

1183
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 2: I don't want that anyone to freak out that that

1184
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: looked bad.

1185
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 3: I mean, look that when it was revealed after habib

1186
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 3: Uh finished off Gaiechee to close out his career that

1187
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 3: oh yeah, by the way, I had like a broken

1188
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 3: foot and all these other physical ailments on top of

1189
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,919
Speaker 3: you know, risking my unbeaten record in my final fight

1190
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 3: against a guy who may or may not have been

1191
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 3: one like strikeaway from putting him in peril. It is

1192
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 3: a manly thing, Luke, to reveal after the fact after

1193
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 3: a win. We would call it an excuse if you

1194
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 3: did it, you know, after a loss. But do you

1195
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 3: like this new trend of just you know, being like,

1196
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 3: oh yeah, and by the way, I could barely even

1197
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 3: get I could really stand.

1198
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm personally never surprised. I've seen these guys

1199
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 2: go in there with bonkers injuries. You would have just

1200
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 2: never thought of it. And remember, like I've been covering

1201
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 2: MMA since before even accidental insurance was introduced, in which

1202
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 2: case guys would always hide injuries and then use the

1203
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 2: fight to then get medical careb and like, oh my

1204
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 2: knee tour in the fight, meaning you know when in

1205
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 2: reality a tour a month before and they just need

1206
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 2: to get it paid for and they otherwise don't have insurance.

1207
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 2: I remember those days a lot.

1208
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 3: You know these days are still around. Did you see TJ.

1209
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:17,919
Speaker 3: Dillashaw's last fight.

1210
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, well that's a little bit different. I mean,

1211
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 2: he just decided to go forward in a really medically

1212
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 2: inadvisable way, but when he didn't have to. But what

1213
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 2: I'm trying to point out here is you still see it,

1214
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 2: obviously for different reasons, where guys have to conceal injuries.

1215
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 2: One more time, dude, the real takeaway from me from

1216
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 2: that fight was the insane mental fortitude that is, he

1217
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 2: had to do that. I don't know if we ever

1218
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 2: talked about the fight together on the air, dude, one

1219
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 2: of the most remarkable acts of self belief in athletics

1220
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 2: you will ever ever see. That was true when we

1221
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 2: thought he was one hundred percent healthy. To keep that

1222
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 2: mindset when you have the injury, knowing what the game

1223
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 2: plan is just takes it to the next level. It

1224
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 2: will be twenty thirty, forty years. And I mean this

1225
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 2: before you see someone who takes your breath away with

1226
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 2: their mental fortitude in a moment of consequence and dire

1227
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 2: consequence in the way that he did unfreaking believable by the.

1228
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 3: Cha No, you know, I can't miss a chance to

1229
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 3: do an MMA show, and I either talk about gastallamor

1230
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 3: out of Sonia and not bring it back to UFC

1231
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 3: two thirty six in Atlanta, Luke with me with the

1232
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 3: orange honey on where your.

1233
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 2: Pants around your ankles? And when that fight happened, Because

1234
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: I'm really beginning to wonder.

1235
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 3: About you, I will say this, there was like a

1236
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 3: long delay after that fight, before the press conference, and

1237
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 3: then as he finally came out, and if you can

1238
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 3: remember his face, Luke was growing messed up, swollen, his

1239
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 3: you know, speech was off from having to talk like that.

1240
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 3: And I remember there was a feeling I felt from

1241
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 3: like the end of that fifth round all the way

1242
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 3: to that press conference of like we knew out Ofsanya

1243
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 3: was great, Like we knew what he's good at, he's

1244
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 3: great at, but dude, we had no reason to know

1245
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 3: or believe he could go through war like that and

1246
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 3: be so willing. And then you find out after the fact'

1247
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 3: you know what he voiced to Gastolin from across the

1248
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 3: cage to start round five. And it's just I remember

1249
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 3: having that feeling of like, holy shit, this guy is

1250
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 3: like he's here for it, Like he's here for all

1251
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 3: of it, Like he is exactly who you need to

1252
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 3: be to become, exactly who we think he has a

1253
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 3: chance to possibly become. It's not that he hasn't done

1254
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 3: awesome things since then, but this was the first time

1255
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 3: that I had that same feeling of like there's an

1256
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 3: alien walking amongst men here, and like, I mean, he

1257
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 3: had to dig deep to overcome everything associated with the

1258
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 3: rivalry and where it was at that point, and the

1259
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 3: public stigma now of you know, going from love to

1260
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 3: suddenly hate and and and I almost not really hate,

1261
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 3: but you get my point more, although he probably does,

1262
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 3: They probably do see a lot of hate. He seems

1263
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 3: like somebody gets in the trash talk with the audience.

1264
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 3: Luke gets involved in it, and you know, builds memes

1265
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 3: against But when you go into a like career defining

1266
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 3: celebration that began almost as if he followed through on

1267
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 3: the knockout strike and then instantly his body just morphed

1268
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 3: into like you know, like in Fortnite, when you hit

1269
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 3: that that emoji button, like that shows that it was

1270
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 3: real and it came from something deep, like a you

1271
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 3: know deep cries out too deep man. He had to

1272
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 3: dig deep to get himself mentally in a spot to

1273
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 3: be able to deliver that, and I was glad that

1274
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 3: he did and that we were able to see that celebration.

1275
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 3: Now did you see that celebration? Luke all memed up.

1276
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 3: Now there's like a fifty versions of it with like

1277
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 3: video game overlays. It's it's insane. It really is insane.

1278
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 2: It was really remarkable. Is he shoots three arrows and

1279
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 2: then breaks the you know, the the the pantomimed bow

1280
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 2: over his knee. He later said he didn't even mean

1281
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 2: to do that on purpose. It was just his spirit

1282
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 2: guiding him the one for the three losses and then

1283
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 2: the rivalries over when he breaks it over his knee

1284
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 2: like that really just remarkable, and it tells you something

1285
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 2: man like. People haven't seen the sugar Rashad Evans RSD,

1286
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 2: which I'm telling you is the best one we've ever done,

1287
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 2: in my view, in my opinion, in my opinion's the

1288
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 2: best one we've ever done. And it's in part, in

1289
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 2: almost totality, I should say, by virtue of Rashad's willingness

1290
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 2: to talk about his life, but to talk about not

1291
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 2: just his strength and accomplishments, which we do, but his fears,

1292
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 2: his doubts, his failures and all that in between. And

1293
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 2: when you begin to realize how heavy all of that

1294
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 2: stuff weighs on you, not just the losses, but the expectation.

1295
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 2: The knockout loss himself, right, because he got knocked out

1296
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 2: by Machidah and here he got well, he didn't like

1297
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 2: the stoppage, but he was really hurt obviously in the

1298
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 2: first MMA fight against Podta, you know, and then to

1299
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 2: just find a way to come back from that in

1300
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 2: the authoritative manner by inviting contact. I mean, it is,

1301
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 2: it is. I wish I was a poet, I really do.

1302
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 2: I don't have the words to frankly describe what you're

1303
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 2: looking at there, but it is the rarest, the rarest

1304
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 2: of human triumphs in terms of spirit and commitment to

1305
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 2: one's I mean, because here's the thing, dude, Like, when

1306
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 2: things go wrong, I don't know how you feel, but

1307
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 2: I begin to feel like, okay, went wrong for a reason,

1308
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 2: and the reason is I'm bad at this. I can't

1309
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 2: do this. I did it wrong. Something is wrong with me,

1310
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 2: something I can't fix. In many cases, and again I

1311
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 2: began to get down about it. He never got so

1312
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 2: down about it that he ever lost hope for a win.

1313
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 2: In fact, he was quite confident through all of that difficulty,

1314
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 2: getting finished twice. It's just it's just an absolute inversion

1315
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 2: of what you expect a human to be able to do.

1316
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 2: Superhuman really is what the best way to describe it.

1317
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 3: It reminds you, or at least it reminds me that like, Okay,

1318
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 3: this sport we're in, we're lucky enough to be in

1319
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 3: this spot in our jobs because we love these sports

1320
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 3: so much, but like we love the shit out of

1321
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 3: this at the same time, and I don't know, Look,

1322
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 3: it's hard to like, we try not to get too

1323
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 3: close to the fighters, you know, don't We don't become

1324
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 3: friends with fighters. For the most part, there's a mutual

1325
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 3: respect sometimes those guys that are MK cool and they'll

1326
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 3: even wear our merch and that's great, Luke. But like,

1327
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, to me, like you

1328
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 3: follow these fighters close enough, they're human, they're real people.

1329
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 3: Luke probably wouldn't like most of their politics, but there

1330
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 3: is a reason that this is my favorite sport and

1331
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 3: I have so much reverence for them. It's that they

1332
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 3: are able to tap into almost a superhuman level of

1333
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 3: inspirational living and feats within this sport that touch so

1334
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 3: close to life and death and the real things that

1335
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 3: I get inspired by being around them doing inspiring things.

1336
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 3: That's why, you know the Edwards knockout of usman with

1337
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 3: the John Annitt call on top of it, or paina

1338
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 3: you know, just willing herself past noon is like there's

1339
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 3: times when you just drop everything and go like man,

1340
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 3: that's that's more human than it is prize fighting right there.

1341
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 3: And I really appreciate those moments because if you get

1342
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 3: caught on the other side of it, Luke, and you

1343
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 3: follow what these fighters say a lot, and you know

1344
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 3: things they do, I mean, they're there. They are just

1345
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 3: like us, Luke. They are just like one of us.

1346
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 3: But they haven't they have an opportunity to put on

1347
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 3: a cape every once in a while. And I'm here

1348
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 3: for that, Okay, I am really.

1349
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 2: By the way, our producer Mikey Mormiles says the sugar

1350
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 2: Shot Evans RSD Tuesday, Boys and girls, mark your calendars.

1351
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 2: That one is not to miss.

1352
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 3: I mean, he's gonna tell you a story about a

1353
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 3: conversation he had with Randy Cotur the night before the

1354
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 3: Chuck Ladell fight that if you haven't heard.

1355
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 2: It, it's it's just ridiculous.

1356
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 3: Damn damn. All right, love that right there? Oh look quickly,

1357
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 3: uh Atasanya then went down on the uh on that

1358
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 3: monster logo in the center of the cage. And you

1359
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 3: know that the monster logo has long been by conspiracy theorists.

1360
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 3: Uh talked about being the the six six six in Hebrew, right,

1361
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 3: the monster signal upside down and what did out of

1362
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 3: sonya do? He like crossed it out and pissed on it, right, Luke,

1363
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 3: you know, like representing JC you know what I mean? Like,

1364
01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 3: was that a little bit too much? Because brock Lesner

1365
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 3: tried that once and that in the great course, but

1366
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 3: i'd like debate and Dana had him, you know, running

1367
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 3: back to the microphone quickly to apologize.

1368
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know about any of the stuff, but

1369
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 2: it sounds real stupid.

1370
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 3: All right, Luke, Okay, okay. Sman's firm and what he

1371
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 3: believes in, all right.

1372
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah he is. But I don't think it has anything

1373
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 2: to do with some dumb ass conspiracy theory that someone

1374
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 2: who has never read the Bible or any has any

1375
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 2: real genuine understanding of it, thinks that that's I mean,

1376
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 2: it's just not it's just it's it's nonsense for juggles.

1377
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 3: Basically, yeah, you might be surprised, Luke. Okay, you might

1378
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 3: be all right, So quit your fight career in start comedy.

1379
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 3: There you go. Yeah, it's interesting that he did that

1380
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 3: so publicly and that everyone's like, yeah, let's just forget

1381
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 3: that didn't happen. We'll just move on. There are some

1382
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 3: deep thoughts on that. It's interesting also, Luis, I'm ready

1383
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 3: to move on from that. He's about to kill whitey

1384
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 3: if if ddp upsets.

1385
01:05:57,640 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 2: Now I've missed this. People were asking me about this,

1386
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 2: So do he get super racial in that video?

1387
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 3: So basically, people have gone back to the original comments

1388
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 3: from Dupless and the context around them, and while those

1389
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 3: comments can certainly be misread that started this whole thing,

1390
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 3: there's now a retroactive belief that like, he really didn't

1391
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 3: make it racial. He was just talking about like, you know,

1392
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,439
Speaker 3: I'm from Africa and I'm the and he didn't say

1393
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 3: that the other guys weren't real Africans. He was basically

1394
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 3: saying I'd like to get in the cage with you

1395
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 3: and find out who the real African champion is. I'm

1396
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 3: not defending him, I'm saying that's the now backlash around

1397
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 3: the horn from people are going like, okay, he didn't

1398
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 3: necessarily take it there, and now Adustani's like kill Whitey.

1399
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 3: I mean, we are getting like this is getting kind

1400
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 3: of gross. Like look, even if i'd be cheering for Winnaker,

1401
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:47,479
Speaker 3: if I just if I'm UFC, i'd have Hamzat weigh

1402
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 3: in seven pounds over and just switch this main event again, Luke,

1403
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 3: I just I just get I don't.

1404
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 2: I only saw like the first twenty minutes of his

1405
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 2: podcasts because I just don't have time to watch, unfortunately,

1406
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 2: but I was asked about it yesterday without having seen it,

1407
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 2: So I don't really know what to say, except you know,

1408
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 2: you can make fun of Whiting and no one really cares.

1409
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 2: I guess it's really the answer. I don't. I don't

1410
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 2: make the.

1411
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 3: Rules fighting that battle either. I just kind of I

1412
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,959
Speaker 3: don't like any element of this fight and what it's

1413
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 3: been dipped in.

1414
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 2: Whether I'll just say that the weird part is this,

1415
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 2: it's just it's it's not the same analogy at all,

1416
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 2: because it's it doesn't work. But it'd be sort of

1417
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 2: weird if like one of us went up to like

1418
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 2: a Native American Guilance, let's see who's the real Let's see.

1419
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 3: Who's the real America. It's like, yeah, that's like.

1420
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can do that that way.

1421
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 2: I see what, I see what I don't know. I

1422
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 2: see what DDP is trying to do. He's trying to

1423
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 2: be like listen, born here, live here, I represent this

1424
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 2: place means a lot to me. I love it. I

1425
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 2: don't want to be anywhere else. I want to call

1426
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 2: myself an African champion or you know, with the whatever.

1427
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 2: That seems utterly reasonable. It seems totally reasonable somehow.

1428
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 3: Sun City, though, you know what I mean, Luke, I

1429
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 3: don't get that joke. Do you remember in the eighties

1430
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 3: a lot of musicians were going to South Africa, but

1431
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 3: they were getting paid essentially in a part.

1432
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 2: Time John McEnroe refused. John mc refused to play over there.

1433
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 3: He put out like a we Are the World style

1434
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 3: song that was like, ah, ain't going to play sun City.

1435
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 3: And then all these people went and played anyway and

1436
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 3: got a lot of money, Luke, But you think DDP

1437
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 3: would play sun City? That's really what we're what we're

1438
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 3: trying to find.

1439
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't wanna, I don't wanna

1440
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 2: make I don't wanna. I don't want to say I

1441
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 2: don't know. But I'm just sort of pointing out, like

1442
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 2: I get where he's coming from. But you know, even

1443
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 2: if you don't make it racial, the fact that he

1444
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 2: is the descendants of colonists automatically introduces race like it

1445
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 2: just becomes a thorny issue to try and.

1446
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,639
Speaker 3: He hasn't accomplished. What the opportunity he's getting here. If

1447
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 3: it beats Whitaker, dude, obviously that changes everything. But but

1448
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 3: what are we doing here? What are we doing in general?

1449
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 2: UFC?

1450
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 3: I mean we have a talk. Please want on one

1451
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 3: offline me in the UFC, Luke. Let's keep the updates going.

1452
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 3: Here's Arnold Allen. He's not gonna be on UFC London.

1453
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 3: He caught up in studio with Ariel and he said,

1454
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:10,520
Speaker 3: after the Max fight, I'd like to have a reset,

1455
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 3: and it is quite soon, meaning the London card. I'd

1456
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,719
Speaker 3: like to go in one hundred percent physically fix everything

1457
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 3: because the last few camps when I fought Hooker, I

1458
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 3: was coming off a broken hand and it wasn't healed.

1459
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 3: Then they offered me cater and I was like, all right,

1460
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 3: let's go, and then he damaged it and it became

1461
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 3: obviously that it wasn't healed after that. Blah blah blah.

1462
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 3: He would go on to explain it deeper. But Luke,

1463
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 3: Arnold Allen hand injury not going to be around anytime soon.

1464
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 3: What I want to know from you is because you

1465
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 3: and I never got a chance to talk about that

1466
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:42,679
Speaker 3: fight either. And I was super frickin impressed with Max,

1467
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 3: super luke because I respect how good Arnold Allen is.

1468
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:48,799
Speaker 3: But there was a backlash on top of the backlash

1469
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 3: from folks that are like, hey, hey, you white belt

1470
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 3: piece of shit BC, Max actually looked old and a

1471
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 3: little bit compromised in that it's that Alan really ain't

1472
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 3: that good. I mean, Luke, some of our fans have

1473
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 3: have some wild opinions that they tossed back at me with.

1474
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 2: That was a real thing. You got oh, I got.

1475
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 3: That a lot. I wouldn't have mentioned it if I

1476
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 3: didn't get it a lot. But I why to take

1477
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 3: your temperature on the stocks of Holloway and Allen coming

1478
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 3: out of that very okay.

1479
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 2: So so did Max look as fresh as he's ever looked? No, No,

1480
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 2: I don't think you could. I mean, the guy's been

1481
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 2: through some shit. But given what he has been through

1482
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 2: and given what he was able to do in this fight,

1483
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 2: it was a remarkable achievement, absolutely blowing well past what

1484
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,640
Speaker 2: I thought was gonna be possible. And I'm sure I'm

1485
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 2: not alone in that regard for people having some concerns

1486
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:45,599
Speaker 2: related to damage and age, not like numerically, but miles uh,

1487
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,640
Speaker 2: And I do think that Arnold Allen didn't fight his

1488
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 2: best fight. He obviously turned it up in the fifth

1489
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 2: and that was a really good one. Dude, Arnold Allen

1490
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 2: is an excellent fighter, and he's gonna fight for a title, Luke,

1491
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 2: He's gonna he probably will fight for a title at

1492
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 2: some point. He is world class. There's just no denying it.

1493
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,679
Speaker 2: I mean, if your takeaway was Max isn't good anymore,

1494
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 2: he's old, and also Arnold is not good. Your takes

1495
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:10,759
Speaker 2: are shit.

1496
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 3: Maybe they're more like.

1497
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 2: They're they're they're what barbous eight At two point thirty

1498
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 2: in the morning last night.

1499
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 3: Hus what pulled that out? All right? Well, maybe it

1500
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 3: was the recycled puke after eating his own recycled puke

1501
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 3: that they're mentioning here. Maybe they thought, okay, BC, don't

1502
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 3: don't jerk him off though, But I did get like

1503
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 3: old Jordan vibes there, Lucas was like a a an

1504
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 3: adaption to where he's at mentally and physically at this age,

1505
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 3: but leaning on the experience and figuring out how to

1506
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 3: outduel a younger guy who was like on the move

1507
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 3: and coming out.

1508
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 2: Yes, So, like to your point, is he using some

1509
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 2: of the other skills that he's earned over time that

1510
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 2: aren't the same kind of physical skills For example, that

1511
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 2: he used to kind of just bulldoze past josialdo not

1512
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 2: once but twice, stopping him both times. Yes, there probably

1513
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:56,679
Speaker 2: is something to be said for that, but that still

1514
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 2: makes him dangerous. That still makes sense.

1515
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 3: Like he was like in control of that thing, man, you.

1516
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 2: Know, right, right? So my point being is, yeah, is

1517
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 2: Max a little bit older than he once was in

1518
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 2: a way that is noticeable? Fine, he probably, he probably is,

1519
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 2: But the trade offs there seem fairly minimal in terms

1520
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:15,600
Speaker 2: of what he gains an experience and how to fight appropriately,

1521
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 2: and then you know he's not the same physical thing,

1522
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 2: but it still makes him a very difficult level to beat.

1523
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 3: Right, So, all right, as as the almighty rest of Luke,

1524
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 3: he's close him and for us to Hobby, they've they've

1525
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:33,759
Speaker 3: got something going there. Certainly you could have liked foot

1526
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 3: on the gas a little bit more at times, but

1527
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 3: I always can counted that. Look, Max was on the move,

1528
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 3: it was hard to catch up to him. What would

1529
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 3: you alter? What would you work on? Would you go

1530
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,839
Speaker 3: back in the gym with Pacer and be like, inject

1531
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 3: me with whatever you got, Pops? Okay, because I would

1532
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 3: have said, but what would you work on here? Luke?

1533
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 2: I think his issue is going to be volume and pressure.

1534
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 2: He's got a style that is, and I would say

1535
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 2: more naturally suited to counterfeight, and it's perfect for that

1536
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 2: because he's got a little so that Tag Davis style,

1537
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 2: a little bit like not a lot of high output,

1538
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 2: doesn't get hit too much, kind of waits for good

1539
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 2: opportunities and then begins to put on Now, now, the

1540
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 2: Hooker fight's obviously a little bit different, but Hooker was

1541
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:12,560
Speaker 2: in a weird weight class. He shouldn't have been in

1542
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 2: at that point, so you know that's fine. And the

1543
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 2: Cater fight, unfortunately, we didn't get a great answer on either.

1544
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 2: But he looked pretty good up until that point. But

1545
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 2: in general, I think that what you saw in that

1546
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 2: fifth round is when he is a driving force with

1547
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:27,640
Speaker 2: high output, Dude, he's a hard guy to deal with.

1548
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 2: Max had real problems in that fifth round trying to

1549
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 2: deal with that. Now, that's not the game plan for

1550
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:37,719
Speaker 2: every fighter. What I'm saying is he needs that gear

1551
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 2: more readily accessible. He needs that gear something he can

1552
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 2: dial up relatively easily without waiting till fifth round theatrics

1553
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 2: to get to it. If you want to still have

1554
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 2: that natural I'm going to wait and see when I'm

1555
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 2: doing style fine, but when the time calls for you

1556
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:54,560
Speaker 2: to press on the gas, I think he's got to

1557
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 2: be able to switch gears much more quickly and much

1558
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 2: more easily. And if he does, he's going to be

1559
01:13:59,080 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 2: a really hard guy to be.

1560
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 3: He is because his understanding of technique. I mean, like

1561
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 3: when he had that big rush in the second round

1562
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 3: for example against Max. Dude, that was some really creative

1563
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 3: footwork feints to get in and weave in and set

1564
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:14,600
Speaker 3: up those combinations. He obviously has monster power. I mean

1565
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 3: he would have hurt and dropped a lot of other

1566
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 3: fighters with some of those single shots he was hitting

1567
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 3: Max with. But you know, it's weird. His his actual

1568
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 3: boxing movement reminds me of Carlos adamis a lot. You know,

1569
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 3: the middleweight secondary title holdre who is a southpaw, doesn't

1570
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 3: throw a lot of punches, but when he gets you

1571
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 3: hurt with one of those sniper shots, he suddenly becomes

1572
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 3: a maniac and is coming after you and walking you down.

1573
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 3: Because there was something to the idea of when when

1574
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:42,679
Speaker 3: he did step on the gas, you did see Arnie

1575
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 3: have have have some success there, even though he had

1576
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 3: to take chances and be able to be up hit

1577
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:47,719
Speaker 3: by Max.

1578
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 2: I will tell you something that again, this was brought

1579
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 2: to my attention yesterday and I wasn't aware of it. Apparently,

1580
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 2: like there was I guess there are some people in

1581
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:01,640
Speaker 2: the industry, how do I say this, or fans and

1582
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 2: media alike, so this is not one or the other

1583
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 2: where they're just kind of tired of Max. You know,

1584
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 2: someone was bringing up to me and I was like

1585
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 2: kind of shocked to hear it. And now that you're

1586
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 2: saying some of this, maybe I shouldn't be so shocked.

1587
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 2: It seems to me that what's really happening here, or

1588
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,679
Speaker 2: at least one other element in play that you could

1589
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 2: not dismiss, is that Max is a very inconvenient role

1590
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 2: or playing an inconvenient role in that division, which is

1591
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:31,440
Speaker 2: not letting them turn all of their attention to Volkanovski

1592
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 2: and whatever else is he's gonna do. He's still kind

1593
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 2: of there, and I think they view that as like

1594
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 2: a nuisance to the cleanliness of how divisions are supposed

1595
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 2: to be ordered. I mean to the point about Izzy

1596
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 2: right first ever, two times UFC middleweight champion up until

1597
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 2: him when you lost the belt, Fucking you didn't get

1598
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 2: it back. You know, he has reintroduced himself, and what

1599
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 2: has it caused. You're like, drinks duple ce versus wink.

1600
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 2: Are we gonna have to fucking do a third winter?

1601
01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 2: It makes match making difficult, dude, Max makes matchmaking at

1602
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 2: one forty five difficult because of the role that he plays.

1603
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 2: But that's not a reason to dismiss his ability. That's

1604
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 2: not a reason to dismiss the danger he poses. That's

1605
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 2: just a different question about how you deal with someone

1606
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 2: in that position.

1607
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 3: Look, they're not gonna do it. But if the UFC

1608
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 3: suddenly announced that a ASNYA defense next against Hamzat Chimaiyev

1609
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 3: in his like I guess official Middleway debut, although not really,

1610
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 3: do you think that, uh, that would be welcomed by

1611
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 3: the fan base and not questioned or criticize just because

1612
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 3: it's such a great fight.

1613
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:36,599
Speaker 2: It'd be questioned or criticized at first and then utterly welcomed. Yeah, yeah,

1614
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 2: it'd be welcomed.

1615
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 3: It would be spectacular. All right, let's keep the updates going.

1616
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:42,719
Speaker 3: How about Yuri Prohotskay. He gave up his light heavyweight

1617
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 3: title and watched Jamal Hill scale that mount And here's

1618
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 3: an update talking to low Kick MMA, my shoulder is great.

1619
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 3: I'm working on that every day. Last month, we did

1620
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 3: amazing work. That's why I'm so happy for that. Everything's

1621
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 3: going smoothly. I expect to step by step to be

1622
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 3: back at the end of the summer, September something like that.

1623
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 3: Now it's April, I think I need to finish rehab

1624
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:06,720
Speaker 3: and make great preparation for four more months. And he's

1625
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 3: gonna practice practice, practice and see how he feels. Also,

1626
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 3: he was asked about Alex Padeda moving up to two

1627
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:15,560
Speaker 3: o five after losing to Izzy. He said, that's a

1628
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 3: nice stand up style guy, a lot of skills, and

1629
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,879
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to be seeing him in our division

1630
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:25,600
Speaker 3: because he is high. He is high. He's well, he

1631
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 3: might be high. I mean hope, hope he is. He's

1632
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:30,799
Speaker 3: very good for our division, good feeling in his movement,

1633
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 3: good timing. Maybe he means he's high level. Anyway, he

1634
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 3: says he's a good warrior and he'd like to see

1635
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 3: him Luke. This was weird. Prosky just like willingly gave

1636
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 3: up the title and then was like, I'll be back

1637
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 3: sooner than you guys think, like I'm not even removing

1638
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 3: him from pound for pound consideration like you would if

1639
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 3: a guy's been you know, off for a full year.

1640
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 3: Like he's like, no, I'm gonna be back like real soon.

1641
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 3: What does the future of this division look like then

1642
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,759
Speaker 3: in terms of scheduling.

1643
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, here's the thing. I think

1644
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 2: that he was wise to his future when he initially

1645
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 2: got evaluated, and when he initially got evaluate theor like yeah,

1646
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 2: you're not coming back anytime soon. So I appreciate that

1647
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 2: he didn't fuck around and then give it back, and

1648
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 2: then of course during the parts of rehab, he feels

1649
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:14,640
Speaker 2: like he can come back stronger. You know, it's kind

1650
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 2: of funny about that a buddy of mine had a

1651
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 2: similar surgery to me in a similar time frame and

1652
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 2: was able to get back much quicker. I think he

1653
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 2: was back fully capable within like seven months something like that,

1654
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 2: which is very very fast of that timeline when mine

1655
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 2: was about a year before. I felt like myself again.

1656
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:33,680
Speaker 2: So you know, I can understand why he's in a

1657
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 2: different position now and feels like, Okay, this is this

1658
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 2: is great, blah blah blah. By the way, you see

1659
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 2: that video of him hitting mits like way out here

1660
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 2: didn't inspire confidence, if I could be If I could

1661
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:45,679
Speaker 2: be honest, I don't know if he was just doing

1662
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 2: a thing where I was like he was trying to

1663
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:50,719
Speaker 2: see what the end range was or whatever. But I'm

1664
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 2: excited about him coming back. I'm excited about Pereira at

1665
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:54,759
Speaker 2: the top. I'm excited to see what's going to happen

1666
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 2: with on Calive. I'm excited to see what life is

1667
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 2: still left in Blohovich. None of these guys have this

1668
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 2: transcendental purpose or this transcendental you know, stature in the sport. Okay, fine,

1669
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 2: that's not really the situation that we're in. But there's

1670
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 2: a lot of fun permutations between them. I should say

1671
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 2: among them. I'm here for it, bro, I'm here for it.

1672
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 2: I'm here for the parody. I'm here for the circus.

1673
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:19,719
Speaker 2: Let's get these guys together and see what happens.

1674
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm here for Poton jumping into this pool. My

1675
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 3: only question is is UFC weight four yearies return to

1676
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 3: then schedule him against Jamal Hill as the new champion

1677
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 3: against the one who never lost it, or only.

1678
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 2: If the timing works out. Only if the timing works out.

1679
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 3: Then who do you debut Poton against? Because if that's

1680
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 3: like uncle Iave, that's like wow, welcome, okay, welcome.

1681
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 2: Well you could do Blakhovich.

1682
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 3: Still a tough. That Polish power is real, Luke.

1683
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 2: That's dude, It's all real. I mean, don't get me wrong.

1684
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 2: Like you know, it's out of the frying pan into

1685
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 2: the fire.

1686
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 3: Sure, how we do it? That is true? Hey, luc

1687
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 3: is there still life for another one of my favorite fighters?

1688
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 3: Remember that kills a.

1689
01:19:57,920 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 2: One to fifteen Strawway fighter.

1690
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:03,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's interesting. Look, I'll say this, Kelvin Gastol

1691
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 3: and we've long said it. He loses to the elite

1692
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 3: in a way that could suggest that I guess what

1693
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 3: thirty one, that he still could be a leade. But

1694
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 3: what about the idea of going back down to welterweight

1695
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 3: where he was never able to consistently get on weight. Well, Luke,

1696
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 3: ESPN deportis Is Carlos Contreras Legaspi reports that Kelvin told

1697
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 3: them he's coming back to welterweight and that UFC executives

1698
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 3: have agreed with the move and they expect to fight

1699
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 3: in September. He also said he will work with Dana

1700
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 3: White's personal nutritionist to make the move. Luke, you've seen

1701
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 3: Dana White. He has shredded ab wise. Have you seen this?

1702
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 2: Yeah? But the guy he's got, the guy he's got who.

1703
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 2: By the way, here's here's a heads up for everyone

1704
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 2: out there. Yeah, if someone identifies themselves as a biohacker,

1705
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 2: they're stealing your money. Just very clearly, want to put

1706
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 2: that out there. Okay, what if.

1707
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 3: They identify as a lord or ay, they.

1708
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 2: Are also stealing your money? Dude, that's gonna be my

1709
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,559
Speaker 2: new I'm gonna make a I'm gonna make a social

1710
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 2: media handle called Lord Biohacker. Yeah, and I'm just and

1711
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 2: then I'm and then I'm gonna have like a crypto

1712
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 2: coin I just steal things from.

1713
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 3: That's fantastic, Wow, Luke. Can he regenerate? Can he find

1714
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:22,600
Speaker 3: a second life where his power will be bigger? But

1715
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 3: he probably should wrestle more too, Luke, Let's be honest.

1716
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 2: Here, right, I Mean, here's the thing, dude. It's like,

1717
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 2: first of all, I feel bad for Chris Curtis because

1718
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if we ever talked about that. I

1719
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 2: feel so bad for him because he got headbutted KO

1720
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 2: and I had to wake up and then lost a fight,

1721
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 2: and then it shouldn't have gone that way. So I

1722
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 2: feel bad for him. But you know, to your point,

1723
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 2: Kelvin Gastall looked pretty good in that fight. But here's

1724
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 2: the thing, dude, at middleweight, has he ever except for

1725
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 2: the Izzy fight, has he ever just been like wow? Man? Like,

1726
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 2: when has he been like consistently fight over fight really

1727
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 2: wowed you? It just doesn't happen like he and his

1728
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 2: frame doesn't even look like it fits at one eighty five,

1729
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 2: and I know, I know he's had a million issues

1730
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 2: make one to seventy. But if there is an actual way, if, if,

1731
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:06,640
Speaker 2: if there is an actual way to do it, I

1732
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 2: think he's much better suited at one hundred and seventy

1733
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 2: pounds and would vastly prefer to see him there.

1734
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 3: Would you also agree, though, that there are levels to

1735
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 3: nutrition and understanding how to execute it. Like remember when

1736
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 3: Yohanna used to say, just for example, that, like, you know,

1737
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 3: I want to have kids one day, staying at one

1738
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:27,599
Speaker 3: fifteen might actually kill me. And then she stayed at

1739
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 3: one fifteen and and got a new nutritionist and did

1740
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 3: it a completely different way, and in I guess you know,

1741
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 3: a healthy way and has been able to do that

1742
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:38,000
Speaker 3: a bunch more. If you're I mean, look I do.

1743
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 3: I am surprised sometimes that even at the highest level,

1744
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 3: that sometimes this this stuff does slip through the crack

1745
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 3: or you're not doing it, or you've always done it

1746
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 3: this way or whatever, like couldn't this markedly change him?

1747
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 2: I want to show you something. There's these guys I

1748
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 2: really like an answer to this question. Here we go,

1749
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 2: let me point this, let me show this to you guys.

1750
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 2: This dude. You ever seen this dude? Let's get him

1751
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 2: on the screen. Here, here we go. Jordan Sullivan is

1752
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 2: his name. He goes by the the Underscore Fight Dietitian.

1753
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:12,520
Speaker 2: So this guy is is he's Dietitian, Leon Edwards Volkanovsky.

1754
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 2: So there's three UFC champions. When have you ever seen

1755
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 2: those guys anything other than on weight and ready to

1756
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:23,639
Speaker 2: fight full five rounds. You've never seen anything other this dude. Again,

1757
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:26,680
Speaker 2: Jordan Sullivan is name, the Underscore the fight excuse me,

1758
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 2: the Underscore Fight Dietitian. He's verified, He's got about one

1759
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 2: hundred thousand followers on Instagram. Can't recommend him more? To

1760
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 2: your point, these guys, it's so amazing to me.

1761
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:38,640
Speaker 3: You know.

1762
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 2: It's something we bring up all the time. It's not

1763
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 2: related to nutrition in any capacity. We're always like, how

1764
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 2: do these rich athletes end up with these like really

1765
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 2: shit tattoos. It's like, dude, you have all the money

1766
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:50,559
Speaker 2: in the world to afford a better one, why don't

1767
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 2: you get one? Because they just don't know any better.

1768
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 2: It's the same thing with nutritionists in any case. You

1769
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:57,600
Speaker 2: have all the money in the world, why are you

1770
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 2: paying for subpar care. You need to be getting guys

1771
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 2: who have proven results, who have academic or otherwise important certifications,

1772
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 2: who understand the human body, who understand the weight cutting, rehydration,

1773
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 2: every part of that process. What nutrients you need on

1774
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 2: what time, on what schedule, how much weight you can cut,

1775
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:18,639
Speaker 2: when you can cut it, what methods you can cut by?

1776
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 2: You need that, that's what you need. Those guys exist,

1777
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 2: and so many fighters I have seen good ones in fact,

1778
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 2: think that they're going to use some old school method

1779
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:33,559
Speaker 2: or some you know, my wife makes all my meals,

1780
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh my fucking god. Guys, you need

1781
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 2: a pro to handle this. If you want to succeed

1782
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 2: at the highest level, get one. This dude, I'm not

1783
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 2: paid with him.

1784
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 3: I don't.

1785
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 2: I don't have any I follow him on Instagram like

1786
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 2: anyone else. I don't have any other relationship with him.

1787
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:49,759
Speaker 2: That dude is a beast.

1788
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:52,679
Speaker 3: Chef Luke Okay, that's that's right.

1789
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 2: He'll show up with weird shit to attach to himself,

1790
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:56,680
Speaker 2: glowing for no fucking.

1791
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 3: He lives the life. Chef Cass lives that life.

1792
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:01,440
Speaker 2: He might ejaculate in your lan Dieger.

1793
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 3: Oh right, wow, wow, I did not endorse that half

1794
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 3: of that message there, but shout out to Aaron from

1795
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 3: Washington State, if he still listen to us, love that guy, Yeah, Luke,

1796
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 3: you know I also wonder too well. Jorge Mazreel's twenty

1797
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 3: nineteen was certainly an extreme scenario of somebody who had

1798
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 3: been established for a long time at a certain level

1799
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 3: who then figures it out and doesn't just have one

1800
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 3: great fight, but like can put it together for a

1801
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 3: year and a half, let's say, and be the best

1802
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:32,719
Speaker 3: they've ever been. Sometimes, Luke, and I don't know Gaslam

1803
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 3: close enough. I'm not in camp with him. Sometimes is

1804
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 3: it just that, like, you know, we've seen this at

1805
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 3: every level in every sport. Some athletes coast on their

1806
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 3: athleticism for example, or basically have they given their all?

1807
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 3: And sometimes people haven't figured out how to fully give

1808
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 3: the roll. And some of it is the education of

1809
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 3: training and nutrition and everything we're talking about, like it

1810
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 3: all comes together mindset too, It's all got to come together.

1811
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 3: But sometimes you can see somebody stumble into Okay, now

1812
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 3: is the time, I have nowhere else to go, no

1813
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 3: chances left, Like, let's figure out how great I can

1814
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 3: be if he cuts this down a healthy way and

1815
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 3: you know, dials into let's say, a work ethic he's

1816
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 3: never seen before. I do wonder what he looks like

1817
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 3: at at Walter. Wait, can he make some fun fights happen?

1818
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:19,640
Speaker 3: He's going to be a threat. Dude. He had to

1819
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:22,680
Speaker 3: make his striking during the fights in which it was

1820
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 3: looking very good. And I know he's been streaky, but dude,

1821
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 3: he really worked on that striking to be able to

1822
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 3: last in that division against bigger fighters. Luke, you know,

1823
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 3: having the power of the quickness starting in and out.

1824
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 2: He's got skills. It's never really been his issue. He's

1825
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 2: got skills. Sometimes he's put it together better than others.

1826
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 2: But in general, I think he's got things where if

1827
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:44,760
Speaker 2: he can get to one seventy and to your point,

1828
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 2: I just get to the scale, but compete at one

1829
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 2: seventy in a reasonable way. I think he can make

1830
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 2: some noise. I really do. I think he can make

1831
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:51,719
Speaker 2: some noise.

1832
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 3: Maybe he needs the Captain Lbarrow scene or has he

1833
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 3: already worked with him, Luke, I don't even know who

1834
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 3: Kevin works with.

1835
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 2: M He is at Arizona right now, right, so he's

1836
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 2: with those guys.

1837
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, So all right, well, hey, hey, Luke, let's

1838
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:09,760
Speaker 3: find out also about Max Holloway's future. He talked to

1839
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 3: Ariel about the idea long rumored, talked about whispered of

1840
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 3: a move up to one fifty five. Max says one

1841
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 3: hundred that it will happen, but he doesn't necessarily know when. Obviously,

1842
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 3: he's waiting to see the fall out of Volkanowski versus

1843
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 3: Yeah year, Luke, Yeah yeah. Hear Rodriguez victory and the

1844
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 3: idea of a Max Holloway title rematch could could alter

1845
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 3: the future of Max's career over the next couple of years.

1846
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 3: That result, so I understand why he's waiting here. What

1847
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 3: do you think, though, is best suit I mean best

1848
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:42,760
Speaker 3: suited I think is Volkanovsky goes you know what, win

1849
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 3: or lose. I'm done with this division. I'm going to lightweight.

1850
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:48,719
Speaker 3: I'm chasing Islam again. That opens the door again for Max.

1851
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 3: But what do we do if Volks stays? Dude? What

1852
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 3: the hell do we do here?

1853
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:54,800
Speaker 2: You don't have a choice. You're eventually going to have

1854
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 2: to do a fourth fight. That's it.

1855
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 3: Well, you're not saying, wait, Max, I thought you were

1856
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 3: gonna say, Max, I'm sorry you have to go to

1857
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 3: lightweight and you can just take you know, there's a

1858
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 3: lot of fun older names. He could fight the Poitiers again,

1859
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 3: the gay Cheese like that Chandlers.

1860
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 2: No, he still wants He still wants that championship smoke.

1861
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:14,680
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what I mean again, whether by

1862
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:16,679
Speaker 2: hook or by crook, if you're beating guys like Arnold

1863
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:19,360
Speaker 2: Allen over the course of five rounds, I can see

1864
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:21,679
Speaker 2: why you think you might be capable of holding gold

1865
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:24,599
Speaker 2: in that division. Like the only championship level fighters are

1866
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:29,799
Speaker 2: gonna beat Arnold Allen period, right, Like, so, so here's

1867
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 2: what would change the equation if you hear wins. But

1868
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:34,840
Speaker 2: here's the problem. If you wins, you are he's gonna

1869
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:36,759
Speaker 2: have to win twice, right.

1870
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:40,719
Speaker 3: He's gonna Max in there. They love Max man UFC

1871
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 3: loves Max. You want to know why, because he's a

1872
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 3: modern day two hero.

1873
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I agree with it or like it,

1874
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 2: but we've gotten to a place in MMA today where

1875
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:52,680
Speaker 2: if you beat someone who is forget about the championship,

1876
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 2: which yes, is relevant obviously, but more to the conversation

1877
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:58,719
Speaker 2: is the pound for pound number one guy, or perceived

1878
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:00,639
Speaker 2: to be pound for pound number one guy by many people.

1879
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 2: If you beat that guy, you're gonna have to beat

1880
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 2: him twice. It's just just the way that it's been going.

1881
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 3: So factors. There are factors that lean either way, Like

1882
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 3: for example, Whittaker was not allowed to slide in after

1883
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 3: Poeton stopped Auta Sonya, even though we all could have

1884
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 3: been would have accepted it, not necessarily because of out

1885
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 3: of Sonya's star power or rain, even though those were

1886
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 3: probably part of the equation, because he was in the

1887
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 3: midst of this great rivalry. The rivalry in this case

1888
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:31,599
Speaker 3: would be on the flip side if Yayir wins. Dude,

1889
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:35,560
Speaker 3: UFC knows that Yayir versus Vulk two is going to

1890
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:38,719
Speaker 3: be there, but you could welcome in a new chapter

1891
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 3: in the Max versus Vulk rivalry that could completely change it.

1892
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 3: And that's potentially Max coming in as defending champion against

1893
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 3: the only guy that's been able to handle him in

1894
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 3: this division, who's coming off of losing his bell, you

1895
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like, I'd rather set up that.

1896
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:58,600
Speaker 2: Because how many losses does Alexander Volkanowski have in the

1897
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:04,720
Speaker 2: UFC at one five zero zero? And you need to

1898
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 2: tell me that the first person who puts one on

1899
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:08,439
Speaker 2: there is gonna just do it and then move on

1900
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 2: to something else.

1901
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:11,800
Speaker 3: But it would lean in the idea of if we

1902
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:16,879
Speaker 3: could make Max Vulku four not only viable but needed.

1903
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 3: The best way to do that is to take a

1904
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 3: chance on Max, who just showed us against Alan that

1905
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:24,839
Speaker 3: he's still that dude with a bullet right now. He's different,

1906
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 3: but he is still that dude, and like you said,

1907
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 3: he is not gonna stop trying to be the best

1908
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 3: he can be. That would make that fourth fight a

1909
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:34,360
Speaker 3: lot bigger.

1910
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 2: Wouldn't it. It could. Here's another X factor you should

1911
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 2: keep an eye on. Two. Ilio Talpuria Ilia Tipouria. I

1912
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 2: think is destined to be a spoiler one way or

1913
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 2: the other. Now he's got a fight against Josh Emmett

1914
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:50,680
Speaker 2: coming up, and Emmett has nuclear power, and Taporia has

1915
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 2: shown some ability to be hit, especially early, but his

1916
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 2: power carries up. His power is fucking dynamic. I mean,

1917
01:30:57,200 --> 01:31:00,240
Speaker 2: he's got nuclear power too, and the black belt jiu

1918
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:02,599
Speaker 2: jitsu in the whole nine yards. If he beats Emmett,

1919
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:05,280
Speaker 2: he could slot in in some kind of interesting way.

1920
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 2: I thought he was. I don't know if it's official official,

1921
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 2: official official believe. Here's the other part. Though, here's the

1922
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:17,800
Speaker 2: other part. So let's say Yayer wins and they do

1923
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 2: decide to do an automatic rematch. Right then you got

1924
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:24,200
Speaker 2: Max versus to Poria, and I got to tell you,

1925
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 2: Tuporia could put some hands on him, uh in a

1926
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 2: way that is troubling. I think for Max that is

1927
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:32,640
Speaker 2: also a real possibility. Like, and now here's the thing.

1928
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:35,800
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. If Bolkanowski gets his title back and

1929
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,400
Speaker 2: Max wins, you just have to do a fourth fight.

1930
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 2: You just don't have a choice at that point. But

1931
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 2: I think they're trying to see is there some way

1932
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 2: where we can avoid this by other guys winning. I

1933
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 2: guess we'll find out.

1934
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:49,599
Speaker 3: Do you think Max could wrestle more? I'm not asking

1935
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:51,920
Speaker 3: you if he should. Do you think he could wrestle more?

1936
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 2: I think he could wrestle. About what you saw in

1937
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:56,599
Speaker 2: the Yair fight, I think he could do that.

1938
01:31:57,160 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 3: Right that that was impressive. He figured out a way

1939
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 3: to in a very tough fight after getting lit up early.

1940
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 2: Could he take some wrestling in a couple of rounds

1941
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,520
Speaker 2: in a five round fight and use that to compliment

1942
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 2: everything else that he does? Yes, yes he could. Could

1943
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 2: he just be like a wrestle first guy. I don't

1944
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 2: think so.

1945
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:18,439
Speaker 3: No, right, well, yeah, I don't mean that way. I

1946
01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:20,800
Speaker 3: just mean having it out there more, having it in

1947
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:23,960
Speaker 3: his arsenal available to him. All right, Luke, Topic five

1948
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 3: before we get into our MMA draft is quick hitter.

1949
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 3: So let's start with this big news out of Tank

1950
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:33,040
Speaker 3: Davis versus Ryan Garcia last Saturday. It's going to be

1951
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:35,360
Speaker 3: replayed this Saturday on Showtime and of course it was

1952
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 3: a monster hit for those that Showtime pay per view,

1953
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 3: which of course does fall under the larger paramount Global

1954
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 3: brand as we are a part of. I love that

1955
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:45,600
Speaker 3: label that pays us. But Luke, that label had to

1956
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:48,280
Speaker 3: be very excited about these two stars joining together and

1957
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 3: producing one point more than more than one point two

1958
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:57,919
Speaker 3: million pay per view buys in this modern era of piracy, streaming,

1959
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:02,280
Speaker 3: competitive options in the entertainment space, all that stuff, and

1960
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:06,960
Speaker 3: the fifth biggest gate in Las Vegas combat history, besting

1961
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:10,559
Speaker 3: any UFC fight and only topped by the first two

1962
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:15,480
Speaker 3: Canelo Glovekin fights. And then of course Mayweather versus McGregor

1963
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:19,720
Speaker 3: and Pacquiao. So this one beat Floyd Canelo, which was

1964
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:22,800
Speaker 3: a monster fight that produced two point two million pay

1965
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:23,920
Speaker 3: per view bys so Luke.

1966
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 2: And I met each other indeed pay per.

1967
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:29,200
Speaker 3: View ten years ago. Pay per view bys on in

1968
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:31,960
Speaker 3: this day and age are different, but that's also what

1969
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:35,360
Speaker 3: makes this number so large. What does this say about

1970
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:38,679
Speaker 3: I don't know these two fighters the sport that even

1971
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:41,160
Speaker 3: in a streaming hot era, they were able to produce

1972
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 3: one point too here.

1973
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 2: I think a lot of credit should go to Ryan Garcia.

1974
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 2: I want to be clear about that. I think he

1975
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 2: brought a huge audience to this. I think Tank's ultimately

1976
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 2: going to be the beneficiary of it all by virtue

1977
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 2: of the way he won and everything else. So Tank's

1978
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:57,880
Speaker 2: probably a bigger star today than Ryan was before the fight.

1979
01:33:57,920 --> 01:33:59,760
Speaker 2: But I do mean to say, like Ryan deserves a

1980
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 2: lot of credit for being attention to that fight, promoting

1981
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:04,120
Speaker 2: it the right way. I give credits to Ryan dud

1982
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:06,240
Speaker 2: He wanted to smoke from day one and right up

1983
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 2: until he ate that body shot. He was about about it,

1984
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 2: so I think it speaks to that. I also think

1985
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:15,480
Speaker 2: it speaks to just the reality of you know, boxing's

1986
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:17,799
Speaker 2: looking to move on a little bit from the old stars,

1987
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 2: and they were you know, who's the next one? Up,

1988
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 2: one up, and these guys masterfully filled that role. Tank

1989
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:26,479
Speaker 2: Davis did his job in promoting this contest. And this

1990
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:29,479
Speaker 2: whole fucking idea like boxing is dead, dude. The only

1991
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 2: people saying this are people who don't watch boxing. It's

1992
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:36,360
Speaker 2: just fucking nonsense. The sport does have its problems, it's

1993
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:40,679
Speaker 2: got its drawbacks and limitations and cancers and every other problem.

1994
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:44,439
Speaker 2: It's not hard to find real criticisms of the way

1995
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:48,200
Speaker 2: in which boxing runs as an industry in any manner

1996
01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 2: of respect. But the idea that there aren't meaningful fights happened,

1997
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 2: that fans don't care, that they don't want to watch,

1998
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 2: that they've moved on is such shit. It's not real.

1999
01:34:57,040 --> 01:35:00,640
Speaker 2: It's totally false. It's total bullshit. We're talking about a

2000
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 2: historic gait in this day and age, historic level of

2001
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:05,920
Speaker 2: pay per view. Both guys were in their twenties. Dude.

2002
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:09,479
Speaker 2: You give people what they want and the audience is there.

2003
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:12,320
Speaker 2: The audience is there, and no pay top dollar for

2004
01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:14,360
Speaker 2: it too. On top of it, everyone billy aching about

2005
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 2: eighty five dollars for the pay per view, and that's

2006
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:17,640
Speaker 2: a lot of money. I'm not saying it's not it's

2007
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 2: a lot of money, but they paid it. They paid

2008
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:22,719
Speaker 2: it in the end, however much they break down between

2009
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:24,360
Speaker 2: the de zone and the showtime side of things. So

2010
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 2: I'm just I just feel like this is a clear

2011
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 2: indication that this fight was promoted well, it had allowed

2012
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:34,320
Speaker 2: the right ingredients. Everyone did their job. But if you

2013
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:36,880
Speaker 2: hear someone being like, oh I saw someone in the comments,

2014
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:38,439
Speaker 2: so maybe it was one of your tweets being like,

2015
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:42,080
Speaker 2: but everyone told me boxing was dead? Is now UFC dying, folks.

2016
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:47,920
Speaker 2: UFC is not dying. Boxing's not dying. It's okay. You

2017
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:51,639
Speaker 2: can watch what you want. Stop believing or even listening

2018
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:54,160
Speaker 2: to people who want to tell you that boxing is dead.

2019
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 2: They don't watch it, they don't know what they're talking about,

2020
01:35:56,680 --> 01:35:59,759
Speaker 2: they have an agenda. Don't listen to them.

2021
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:02,920
Speaker 3: All right, Luke Thomas policing all potential narratives. But I

2022
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 3: do agree that, you know, when Oscar said this could

2023
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 3: be a fight that, you know, to grow boxing, I

2024
01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 3: think it could be a fight that grows boxing and probably,

2025
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:12,719
Speaker 3: you know, potentially in a big way. It always depends

2026
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 3: on what happens next. How quickly does Ryan Garcia come

2027
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:17,120
Speaker 3: back on his own network, and you know, we'll be

2028
01:36:17,160 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 3: a big enough fight to keep that momentum going as

2029
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 3: he looks to continue to build his star. And obviously

2030
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:23,400
Speaker 3: it surrounds what could be next for Tank and we

2031
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:26,080
Speaker 3: all have our potential dream opponents here, Luke. But quickly

2032
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:29,640
Speaker 3: I did chat with with Calvin Ford briefly yesterday, the

2033
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:33,520
Speaker 3: trainer of Gervonte Davis, hoping to get that video acquired

2034
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:36,760
Speaker 3: and finalized and posted on Morning Combat. But I talked

2035
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:39,439
Speaker 3: about what's potentially next, Luke, and according to him, they

2036
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:42,559
Speaker 3: would really love to get the Pitbull Cruise rematch out

2037
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 3: of the way. And that was a fight that took

2038
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:49,320
Speaker 3: place in as a late replacement when Roly Romero was

2039
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:51,240
Speaker 3: originally going to be the pay per view opponent, and

2040
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:53,720
Speaker 3: if you remember, Gervonte broke his hand. I don't know

2041
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:56,400
Speaker 3: if it was before the fighter or in the early rounds,

2042
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 3: but that led to a close performance there in a

2043
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:02,920
Speaker 3: one fifteen one thirteen, one fifteen, one thirteen and one

2044
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:06,160
Speaker 3: sixteen one twelve. The decision when look, we would we

2045
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 3: would all love that it's you know, Hani or Lomo

2046
01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:09,080
Speaker 3: or anyone.

2047
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:09,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's not gonna be.

2048
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:13,080
Speaker 3: But but the Cruise one is is certainly interesting from

2049
01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:15,880
Speaker 3: a boxing standpoint, Well, the general public want to take

2050
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:16,880
Speaker 3: another big bite out of it.

2051
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:19,479
Speaker 2: I don't love the Cruise fight. If I could just

2052
01:37:19,479 --> 01:37:21,240
Speaker 2: be honest with you, I don't love it. And I

2053
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:23,439
Speaker 2: know that the scores were close, and I've even seen

2054
01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:26,400
Speaker 2: some truthers being like Cruse won, Cruise did not win,

2055
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 2: Sorry he didn't. And yeah, I wasn't Tank's best performance,

2056
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 2: but he was better than Cruise for the vast majority

2057
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:36,880
Speaker 2: of that fight, whatever the scoring ends up ended up being.

2058
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 2: I don't think he's on Tank's level. I do think

2059
01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 2: he's a good fighter. I think it's actually you know,

2060
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:44,120
Speaker 2: I don't think it's an easy fight for Tank in

2061
01:37:44,120 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 2: that sense, But I like, do I really believe he

2062
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 2: can upset the Apple card here? No, I don't. I don't.

2063
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:52,680
Speaker 3: Well, he does give you that that pressure style that

2064
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:55,679
Speaker 3: a lot of people want to see, specifically against Tank,

2065
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:58,519
Speaker 3: who you know limits his output. Is a great sharpshooter sniper.

2066
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:01,960
Speaker 3: All that, you know, Cruise have success. You would argue, though, Luke,

2067
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:05,599
Speaker 3: like getting in the chest of Okay, he did have success,

2068
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:11,880
Speaker 3: giving him a somewhat difficult time for a sustained time,

2069
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:14,240
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like Rowley had a pockets

2070
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:16,240
Speaker 3: where he was dangerous and then he got knocked out.

2071
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:19,559
Speaker 3: Ryan even had small pocket where he was dangerous. Cruse

2072
01:38:19,560 --> 01:38:21,719
Speaker 3: stayed around in that, whether that was the broken hand

2073
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 3: of Tank or not, and he stayed in it, you

2074
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:25,040
Speaker 3: can argue for sure.

2075
01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:28,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cruz is surprisingly clever, and there were some shots

2076
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:30,439
Speaker 2: he landed on Tank that I was a little bit

2077
01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:32,519
Speaker 2: surprised by, especially early. Now those went away as the

2078
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:36,200
Speaker 2: fight with war on for the most part. But he's

2079
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:39,840
Speaker 2: got a limited style. Cruise. He's very much down here

2080
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:42,920
Speaker 2: and then he's throwing big overhands as he changes levels

2081
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:46,280
Speaker 2: and whatnot. He's got a very limited style. Within those limits,

2082
01:38:46,280 --> 01:38:49,720
Speaker 2: He's actually pretty clever. He's pretty clever. So I do

2083
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:53,160
Speaker 2: agree that there were several long stretches where Davonte was

2084
01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:55,920
Speaker 2: trying to get a beat on him and not really

2085
01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:58,280
Speaker 2: succeeding and getting hit. I just feel like by the

2086
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:01,559
Speaker 2: seventh eighth round he had he had Cruse's number, and

2087
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:03,639
Speaker 2: there wasn't a lot of adjustment Cruise could do after

2088
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 2: that point. But even for his narrow, come forward style,

2089
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:08,320
Speaker 2: it's he's clever, he's tricky.

2090
01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 3: Cruise rebounded after that loss the first of his career,

2091
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:13,760
Speaker 3: and by the way, he's only still twenty four the

2092
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:18,040
Speaker 3: pitbull by scoring two straight like impressive knockouts, one against

2093
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 3: obviously a faded eur Ericus Gamboa. But you know, the

2094
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:23,519
Speaker 3: argument from the Cruise side is you went you know,

2095
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:25,920
Speaker 3: you went into the twelfth round with Gamboa. I knocked

2096
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:27,800
Speaker 3: him out in like two violently.

2097
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:31,479
Speaker 2: But you know, also this version of Dravante is much

2098
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:32,880
Speaker 2: better than the one sparking.

2099
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:35,760
Speaker 3: And you know, but Cruse has been talking that talk.

2100
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:38,479
Speaker 3: Let's see if he gets it. Either way, great news

2101
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:41,559
Speaker 3: for everybody who loves boxing. Hopefully the momentum can continue

2102
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:44,880
Speaker 3: across the board. Luke, remember when the tank had a

2103
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:47,519
Speaker 3: mole in the Ryan Garcia camp and then that fighter

2104
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:51,639
Speaker 3: came forward and said claimed that he hurt Ryan's ribs

2105
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:53,720
Speaker 3: during sparring. Ahead of that, Luke, it turns out that

2106
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:56,160
Speaker 3: guy's name he's from Mongolia. So I'm gonna butcher. This

2107
01:39:56,320 --> 01:40:01,040
Speaker 3: is send baitar Ordnabot. He goes by the fighting nickname

2108
01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:04,400
Speaker 3: of chingis Khan. He's five and oh with three KOs.

2109
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:06,640
Speaker 3: Do you know he'll be fighting this weekend in the

2110
01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:09,679
Speaker 3: co main event of a lou Debella card that's gonna

2111
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:12,120
Speaker 3: air on his own loud. Debella just brought his his

2112
01:40:12,160 --> 01:40:16,280
Speaker 3: Prospects series to his own. He's gonna take on the

2113
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:19,160
Speaker 3: well traveled veteran Eddie Mercado. Luke, do you have any

2114
01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:22,879
Speaker 3: interest in Chingis Khan moving forward after becoming a sparring

2115
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:27,600
Speaker 3: hero and turncoat, even though Luke he denies giving that

2116
01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:29,560
Speaker 3: information to Team Dravante.

2117
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:33,280
Speaker 2: I haven't heard from Chingis Khan since he was Chingy

2118
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:37,040
Speaker 2: and he was staying at the holiday in me and

2119
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:39,440
Speaker 2: my friends or something something and something.

2120
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:42,720
Speaker 3: I can't take, Luke, I don't I don't know what

2121
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:44,680
Speaker 3: just happened there. I hope it was good, though, I hope.

2122
01:40:45,080 --> 01:40:47,880
Speaker 2: Did you remember Chinky had that song Holiday Inn?

2123
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:50,240
Speaker 3: You know, it wasn't really in my wheelhouse at that

2124
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:51,400
Speaker 3: point in my music list.

2125
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:54,200
Speaker 2: Okay, is this the same wheelhouse? You're like? I've never

2126
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:56,320
Speaker 2: heard of still Tipping? What is that? Yeah?

2127
01:40:56,640 --> 01:40:57,280
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know.

2128
01:40:57,720 --> 01:40:58,280
Speaker 2: I don't know, Luke.

2129
01:40:58,320 --> 01:41:01,040
Speaker 3: I don't know much about purple drink either, but Marcus

2130
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:03,240
Speaker 3: Russell could have been something. I'll tell you that, right.

2131
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:05,240
Speaker 2: Do you know what the actual purple drink is? Do

2132
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 2: you know what the substances is?

2133
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:10,400
Speaker 3: It like night quill with cooladors or like a juice

2134
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:10,600
Speaker 3: on it.

2135
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:13,639
Speaker 2: I don't know, Luke fromentthes is what it's called. Yeah,

2136
01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:15,160
Speaker 2: it's pharmaceutical grade.

2137
01:41:15,240 --> 01:41:17,200
Speaker 3: It's basically niquill right with like sweetened.

2138
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:19,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like right, like it's like naquos, Like you're

2139
01:41:19,960 --> 01:41:23,160
Speaker 2: over the countershit. This is like this is the heavy

2140
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:24,479
Speaker 2: duty artillery, you know what I mean?

2141
01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:28,960
Speaker 3: Is it worse for today's future than four loco luke?

2142
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:30,120
Speaker 3: Or less worse?

2143
01:41:31,080 --> 01:41:33,559
Speaker 2: I remember I will never forget meeting up with my

2144
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:35,920
Speaker 2: fraternity brothers after we graduated college and they were still

2145
01:41:35,960 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 2: drinking four locos. And this was when the four loco

2146
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 2: removed the caffeine, but it was still, you know, just

2147
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:44,599
Speaker 2: this disgusting sugary drink. And they would take a five

2148
01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:47,000
Speaker 2: hour energy and then pour it in the four loco

2149
01:41:47,120 --> 01:41:47,920
Speaker 2: and then drink it.

2150
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:53,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's you mixed like extreme caffeine with easy to

2151
01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:57,799
Speaker 3: drink liquor. Aimed at high school kids loaded up on sugar.

2152
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:01,320
Speaker 3: You're gonna have problems. And they're were Luke, they oh man,

2153
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 3: there's some bad problems with that. H Do you care

2154
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:03,800
Speaker 3: at all?

2155
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:03,880
Speaker 2: That?

2156
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:07,800
Speaker 3: His own has signed an additional Boxing Prospects series, that

2157
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:11,400
Speaker 3: of Jake Paul and his MVP Promotions. They're gonna call

2158
01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 3: it Most Valuable Prospects and Ashton H two O Silv,

2159
01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:19,120
Speaker 3: the young boxer Jake signed and put on his pay

2160
01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:21,400
Speaker 3: per views of late is gonna be I guess the

2161
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:24,599
Speaker 3: face kicking off the series? Is that noteworthy in your eyes?

2162
01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:27,320
Speaker 3: Lucas as Jake is staying in boxing.

2163
01:42:28,439 --> 01:42:32,720
Speaker 2: Only insofar as they make fights that are interesting. I

2164
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:35,280
Speaker 2: gather that it's prospects, so how interesting could they be?

2165
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:37,160
Speaker 2: But even on that level, some are better than others.

2166
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:38,920
Speaker 2: If it ends up being a good product, sure, If

2167
01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:42,320
Speaker 2: it's just another thing to just do, then no, I

2168
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:45,320
Speaker 2: don't care. All right, So hey, you know you know

2169
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:47,360
Speaker 2: where I watch my prospects Showbox.

2170
01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:51,000
Speaker 3: That's what I talk about, The new the new generation Luke.

2171
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:53,320
Speaker 3: They couldn't name it the next because of Star trek

2172
01:42:53,439 --> 01:42:56,960
Speaker 3: Okay twenty one years ago. Uh you know that pay

2173
01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:59,240
Speaker 3: per view King Floyd Mayweather Luke, he's still making pay

2174
01:42:59,240 --> 01:43:03,360
Speaker 3: per views. They're how about this June eleventh boxing exhibition

2175
01:43:03,439 --> 01:43:08,559
Speaker 3: Floyd is giving us against amateur mixed martial artists and

2176
01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:13,280
Speaker 3: grandson of the Notorious one, it's John Gotti, the third Luke.

2177
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:17,599
Speaker 3: I you know, even with Floyd's bingo Cardiff Late reaching

2178
01:43:17,800 --> 01:43:22,479
Speaker 3: all different categories of social media influencer to like uber driver.

2179
01:43:23,120 --> 01:43:25,600
Speaker 3: I did not expect this, Luke, even even though he

2180
01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:28,280
Speaker 3: almost fought in that helicopter pad that time. I did

2181
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:31,120
Speaker 3: not expect Mayweather Gotti here, Luke, you into this?

2182
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:37,000
Speaker 2: No, I don't. Does Floyd need money or something. I

2183
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:41,320
Speaker 2: don't understand why he's doing all this shit. Like I

2184
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:43,920
Speaker 2: get it, it's easy money, but it's like, if you've

2185
01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:45,800
Speaker 2: already got a bunch of money, do you need to

2186
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:47,240
Speaker 2: do this to get the easy money?

2187
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:51,360
Speaker 3: I don't the KFC, Luke, and he's not really getting hit,

2188
01:43:51,439 --> 01:43:52,760
Speaker 3: you know, you know what I mean?

2189
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:55,479
Speaker 2: Like I mean, it is like I'm just dude. He's

2190
01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:58,320
Speaker 2: out there beating up like cartoon characters and then the

2191
01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:00,879
Speaker 2: dudes and Times Square who where like the Hulk outfit

2192
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:01,760
Speaker 2: and shit like that.

2193
01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:05,479
Speaker 3: You know. Let's go get though that. Mike Tyson tried

2194
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:08,040
Speaker 3: to build a global pay per view series that was

2195
01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:11,400
Speaker 3: him sparring with his fat friend Corey t Rex Sanders,

2196
01:44:11,439 --> 01:44:13,720
Speaker 3: who was wearing a T shirt. Luke, remember that thing

2197
01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:16,000
Speaker 3: died after the first night in Ohio. I watched every

2198
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:18,599
Speaker 3: second of that pay per view. They then canceled every

2199
01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:22,000
Speaker 3: other tour stop because people love Mike Tyson, but they

2200
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 3: don't want to see him spar his friend, you know

2201
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:26,360
Speaker 3: what I mean, and with headgear on, like are what

2202
01:44:26,439 --> 01:44:30,640
Speaker 3: are we doing? Come on? Yeah, okay, we'll see what

2203
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:32,960
Speaker 3: happens with John Gotti. The third now is he is

2204
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:34,640
Speaker 3: he a good Emimi fighter? I know he's been. He's

2205
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:37,360
Speaker 3: been bouncing around the amateur barely pro level for a while,

2206
01:44:37,439 --> 01:44:39,840
Speaker 3: and I give you he's all right.

2207
01:44:40,120 --> 01:44:42,880
Speaker 2: My understanding is having I've not researched him extensively, but

2208
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:44,600
Speaker 2: to the extent that I have. My understanding is that

2209
01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:48,240
Speaker 2: he does train very diligently and like, yeah, he's in

2210
01:44:48,280 --> 01:44:50,360
Speaker 2: the gym a lot. It is a real clear part

2211
01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:52,960
Speaker 2: of his life. But how good he is? You know,

2212
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:53,439
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2213
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:57,320
Speaker 3: Luke Jacksonville's going to get a gift on June twenty fourth,

2214
01:44:57,360 --> 01:45:00,360
Speaker 3: after all the great service they've done to UFC and

2215
01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:03,679
Speaker 3: after the pandemic. How about Tabitha Ricci versus Gillian Robertson.

2216
01:45:03,720 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 3: Does that move you, Luke at all?

2217
01:45:05,120 --> 01:45:07,920
Speaker 2: That's a fun fight. Yeah, I like that one, all right? Yeah.

2218
01:45:07,960 --> 01:45:09,479
Speaker 3: Mikey was like, sh would keep this in the show.

2219
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:14,439
Speaker 3: See your damn right, it's a great fight, dude, Right yeah, okay, Luke.

2220
01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:19,040
Speaker 3: Molly McCann will be back after the Aaron blanchefield bleaching there, Luke,

2221
01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:22,240
Speaker 3: and it's gonna be in UFC London. It's gonna be

2222
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 3: against Julia Stolerenko. But because Julia collapsed on the scale

2223
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:32,000
Speaker 3: last time trying to make one thirty five, and this

2224
01:45:32,040 --> 01:45:35,439
Speaker 3: fight was announced as a flyway fight, you've not only

2225
01:45:35,479 --> 01:45:37,479
Speaker 3: heard people run in and say, oh, this is Molly

2226
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:40,360
Speaker 3: getting her own meatball to bounce back. You got Casey

2227
01:45:40,360 --> 01:45:44,720
Speaker 3: O'Neill basically calling out the UFC for this matchmaking related

2228
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:48,759
Speaker 3: to that scale incident. That was very scary. Luke Thomas,

2229
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:49,960
Speaker 3: what do you say about this?

2230
01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:57,160
Speaker 2: I mostly don't have a I don't mostly don't care.

2231
01:45:58,640 --> 01:45:59,920
Speaker 2: I hope she makes weight safely.

2232
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:04,479
Speaker 3: This would be like if the cameras were around, you'd

2233
01:46:04,479 --> 01:46:06,320
Speaker 3: be like, I don't care if she lives or dies

2234
01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:09,479
Speaker 3: to tell you the truth, right, Like that would definitely

2235
01:46:09,479 --> 01:46:09,840
Speaker 3: be that.

2236
01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:12,439
Speaker 2: There will be times where like we'll be having a

2237
01:46:12,479 --> 01:46:14,439
Speaker 2: conversation like should we include this in the show and

2238
01:46:14,479 --> 01:46:16,519
Speaker 2: should we not? Or do we want to mention this

2239
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:18,320
Speaker 2: person or not? I want to be like just to

2240
01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:20,479
Speaker 2: make sure, Like I'm very clear by my preferences. I'll

2241
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:22,719
Speaker 2: be like, listen, I don't care if they live or die. Okay,

2242
01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:25,240
Speaker 2: you understand, like we don't have to put them in

2243
01:46:25,240 --> 01:46:27,320
Speaker 2: the show, but not for this one. I obviously don't

2244
01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:28,360
Speaker 2: wish harm on these people.

2245
01:46:28,360 --> 01:46:29,880
Speaker 3: But you know, I'm like, look, do you think that

2246
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:33,160
Speaker 3: camera guy over there should be like openly watching pornography

2247
01:46:33,160 --> 01:46:35,439
Speaker 3: on his phone while he's filming this? And You're like,

2248
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:39,160
Speaker 3: you know, frankly, if you know, if he if he

2249
01:46:39,240 --> 01:46:41,559
Speaker 3: caught age right now in front of me and melted,

2250
01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:43,679
Speaker 3: you know that, you know. I just stepped in and I'm.

2251
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:48,120
Speaker 2: Like, serious question. Could the Malka camera guys have cured

2252
01:46:48,160 --> 01:46:52,080
Speaker 2: cancer by now by working on something rather than being

2253
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:54,439
Speaker 2: on their phones during the show. I honestly think that

2254
01:46:54,439 --> 01:46:56,759
Speaker 2: they could have if you like, added the accumulative hours.

2255
01:46:57,320 --> 01:46:59,679
Speaker 3: You know, Malcolm Gladwell has told us they only need

2256
01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:02,960
Speaker 3: ten thousand hours. Look to figure that out. All right,

2257
01:47:03,479 --> 01:47:05,639
Speaker 3: let's go to our final segment. Luke, we are gonna

2258
01:47:05,640 --> 01:47:09,519
Speaker 3: go head to head and draft our own super fight card.

2259
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:12,400
Speaker 3: So here's the deal. Imagine a scenario where Luke and

2260
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:17,320
Speaker 3: I were called into that war room with Mick, Sean Dana,

2261
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:20,679
Speaker 3: and they're like guys, you've seen our cards lately, they suck.

2262
01:47:21,240 --> 01:47:24,160
Speaker 3: Help us win back the fans on International Fight Week.

2263
01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:27,559
Speaker 3: Here's the rules. You get access to anybody male or

2264
01:47:27,560 --> 01:47:31,600
Speaker 3: female that's an active fighter on our roster, and you

2265
01:47:31,720 --> 01:47:35,080
Speaker 3: can draft ten fighters each and make a five fight

2266
01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:38,880
Speaker 3: pay per view card that the fans of Morning Combat

2267
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:42,080
Speaker 3: will then vote on to find out who'd be a

2268
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:47,880
Speaker 3: better matchmaker promoter, Luke, are you more Scott Cocher or

2269
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:50,280
Speaker 3: Jared Scala? You know what I mean? That's what I

2270
01:47:50,280 --> 01:47:51,080
Speaker 3: want to know right now.

2271
01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:55,120
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm definitely Scala, definitely, Yeah, you are. I'm gonna

2272
01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:57,040
Speaker 2: pay these guys to not shoot takedowns.

2273
01:47:58,240 --> 01:48:01,160
Speaker 3: That's our scenario. Head to head, Luke Thomas, how do

2274
01:48:01,200 --> 01:48:04,719
Speaker 3: you want to decipher who gets the number one pick?

2275
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:09,479
Speaker 2: I think our producer should should choose Mikey Mormle.

2276
01:48:09,560 --> 01:48:10,280
Speaker 3: Can you flip a coin?

2277
01:48:10,360 --> 01:48:12,000
Speaker 2: Mikey, can you flip a coin or something? Yeah?

2278
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:16,880
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, so BC gets to go first.

2279
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:19,639
Speaker 3: All right, So, Luke, we are going to draft single

2280
01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:23,080
Speaker 3: fighters here, not matchups. We can draft married fighters to

2281
01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:25,040
Speaker 3: be fair, but we're and then we're going to match

2282
01:48:25,080 --> 01:48:27,559
Speaker 3: them up. As we go here, so you know there

2283
01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:30,479
Speaker 3: could be some chess playing and some cock blocking, you

2284
01:48:30,479 --> 01:48:30,960
Speaker 3: know what I mean?

2285
01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:34,799
Speaker 2: Your favorite there it is Luke.

2286
01:48:34,600 --> 01:48:37,480
Speaker 3: With the number one pick in the Morning Combat.

2287
01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:41,639
Speaker 2: Wait, we gotta do the sound. But then there you go.

2288
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:47,800
Speaker 3: With the number one pick. BC selects Hamza Chimayev.

2289
01:48:48,160 --> 01:48:52,760
Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, tell me why you picked them.

2290
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:54,759
Speaker 2: You gotta give me like the milk hyper breakdown.

2291
01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:57,439
Speaker 3: Well, look to two division. Threat can do a lot

2292
01:48:57,479 --> 01:49:00,240
Speaker 3: of different things. Brings a star factor dude in not

2293
01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:03,880
Speaker 3: having yet seen how grand his ceiling might actually be.

2294
01:49:04,360 --> 01:49:08,040
Speaker 3: That mixes with how nasty he carries himself both inside

2295
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:11,240
Speaker 3: the cage wrestling people as he's yelling at the promoter,

2296
01:49:11,640 --> 01:49:14,920
Speaker 3: and how he just acts like an absolute badass outside

2297
01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:18,880
Speaker 3: of it because he's clearly about that life now potential

2298
01:49:19,280 --> 01:49:22,519
Speaker 3: cons in this draft pick. He may have been forced

2299
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:26,439
Speaker 3: to come out of retirement after COVID send him back twice.

2300
01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:28,439
Speaker 3: Because Ramzan said.

2301
01:49:28,280 --> 01:49:32,120
Speaker 2: So, all right, for I guess I would have the

2302
01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:35,080
Speaker 2: second overall pick in the draft, right, yes, yes, with

2303
01:49:35,120 --> 01:49:37,200
Speaker 2: the second overall pick in the draft, I'm going to

2304
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:43,400
Speaker 2: take John Jones John Jones top pick because I feel

2305
01:49:43,439 --> 01:49:46,200
Speaker 2: like I can we can't do crazy matchups, right, Like

2306
01:49:46,240 --> 01:49:48,240
Speaker 2: I can't have him fight a flyweight or something stupid.

2307
01:49:48,720 --> 01:49:51,439
Speaker 3: But dude, you can fight somebody out of division. It

2308
01:49:51,560 --> 01:49:54,120
Speaker 3: just has to be like realistic. Have we thought about it?

2309
01:49:54,160 --> 01:49:55,200
Speaker 3: Have we talked about it before?

2310
01:49:55,200 --> 01:49:56,760
Speaker 2: You r right? So something like that. But I think

2311
01:49:56,960 --> 01:49:58,519
Speaker 2: I mean what I need to say about John Jones

2312
01:49:58,600 --> 01:50:00,840
Speaker 2: arguably the great fighter of all time in the short list,

2313
01:50:01,320 --> 01:50:03,040
Speaker 2: and doesn't have a whole lot of time left, but

2314
01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:05,200
Speaker 2: still's got a little bit of juice as a marketing attraction.

2315
01:50:05,640 --> 01:50:08,479
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go John Jones for my number two overall pick.

2316
01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:11,720
Speaker 3: That juice comment was not a double on Chandra, right,

2317
01:50:11,880 --> 01:50:14,720
Speaker 3: or a salute to one of the most underrated soundtracks

2318
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:15,840
Speaker 3: in movie history.

2319
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:18,360
Speaker 2: Right, a double on Chandra. I don't know who on

2320
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:20,360
Speaker 2: Chandra is, but an on Tandra.

2321
01:50:21,200 --> 01:50:24,280
Speaker 3: She was the fourth Destiny's child, Luke. The destiny was

2322
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:25,880
Speaker 3: just not in her favor in the end.

2323
01:50:25,880 --> 01:50:26,040
Speaker 2: Though.

2324
01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:29,160
Speaker 3: Okay, wow, John Jones this early, it's a great pick.

2325
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:31,800
Speaker 3: It's gonna be interesting. Brock Leslon not available for you.

2326
01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:37,040
Speaker 3: Luke's International Fight Week matchups with the second pick third

2327
01:50:37,080 --> 01:50:40,599
Speaker 3: overall in the MK draft. Man, this is tough because

2328
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:42,559
Speaker 3: I didn't think all these people would still be on

2329
01:50:42,600 --> 01:50:46,320
Speaker 3: the board at this moment. You know what, Luke Thomas,

2330
01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:48,679
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna go right for your jewels. Man,

2331
01:50:48,840 --> 01:50:50,519
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take Israel.

2332
01:50:51,080 --> 01:50:55,840
Speaker 2: You fucking bitch, you fucking bitch, you absolute sack of shit.

2333
01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:56,920
Speaker 2: You don't even want them.

2334
01:50:57,240 --> 01:50:59,200
Speaker 3: No, he might not even make my main card, Luke.

2335
01:50:59,240 --> 01:51:00,400
Speaker 3: He may be on the early prelimb.

2336
01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:05,160
Speaker 2: Is just the f you Yeah, yeah, all right, so

2337
01:51:05,479 --> 01:51:08,120
Speaker 2: I understand you picking that. So with the fourth overall

2338
01:51:08,120 --> 01:51:10,000
Speaker 2: pick in the draft, now, this is not who I'm

2339
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:11,880
Speaker 2: gonna have fight John Jones. I don't have to. I

2340
01:51:11,880 --> 01:51:15,000
Speaker 2: don't have to draft them in that order. Putting that

2341
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:18,200
Speaker 2: out here very easy. I'm gonna go Connor McGregor. I'll

2342
01:51:18,240 --> 01:51:20,200
Speaker 2: take Connor McGregor. Here.

2343
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:22,680
Speaker 3: I almost picked him number one overall, Luke, And I

2344
01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:24,559
Speaker 3: think most of America would have right.

2345
01:51:25,439 --> 01:51:27,839
Speaker 2: Probably they probably would have led with him. But we're stupid.

2346
01:51:27,880 --> 01:51:28,680
Speaker 2: So what are you gonna do?

2347
01:51:29,880 --> 01:51:32,439
Speaker 3: Yeah we are, we are all right, you're up. But okay,

2348
01:51:32,439 --> 01:51:35,679
Speaker 3: here we go, uh, Luke, with the third pick over all,

2349
01:51:36,160 --> 01:51:38,360
Speaker 3: seventh overall, the fifth maybe I don't know. Here we

2350
01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:42,000
Speaker 3: go number three for BC. Give me Max Holloway because

2351
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:44,680
Speaker 3: I can make fun fights with him in two divisions

2352
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:49,160
Speaker 3: against everybody, for the title, for money, for anything. Luke,

2353
01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:51,760
Speaker 3: give me, give me, give me brother, because you know

2354
01:51:51,800 --> 01:51:54,639
Speaker 3: I've I've picked against him long too, way too often

2355
01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:56,439
Speaker 3: throughout his career. Lucas, about time I get on the

2356
01:51:56,479 --> 01:51:58,120
Speaker 3: max train here all.

2357
01:51:58,120 --> 01:52:01,559
Speaker 2: Right with my uh? Where am I am? I six?

2358
01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:06,479
Speaker 2: I think a six overall pick. Yes, I'm gonna take

2359
01:52:06,560 --> 01:52:09,120
Speaker 2: Islam Makachev. He's gonna fight Connor McGregor. You can go

2360
01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:10,200
Speaker 2: ahead that one.

2361
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:13,559
Speaker 3: You already and you already named the fight. Damn.

2362
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:17,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we got Connor McGregor versus Islam Makachev. Okay,

2363
01:52:17,479 --> 01:52:18,680
Speaker 2: this is a book, Dan.

2364
01:52:19,560 --> 01:52:22,400
Speaker 3: I did not expect you to go this way at all.

2365
01:52:22,560 --> 01:52:24,439
Speaker 2: Luke. Was this You thought I was gonna go like

2366
01:52:24,479 --> 01:52:26,599
Speaker 2: shot gott ROCKMANO. I was gonna fight some no name

2367
01:52:26,680 --> 01:52:27,240
Speaker 2: dude or something.

2368
01:52:27,320 --> 01:52:29,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I thought you were like, well, look, you know,

2369
01:52:29,680 --> 01:52:32,439
Speaker 3: technically I could see Volkanovsky and and is He fighting

2370
01:52:32,479 --> 01:52:34,559
Speaker 3: each other for the super Fight title because you know,

2371
01:52:34,840 --> 01:52:37,599
Speaker 3: Folk used to play rugby, so that that makes it fair.

2372
01:52:37,640 --> 01:52:39,599
Speaker 3: You know, I thought you were going there, Luke, all right, Wow,

2373
01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:43,200
Speaker 3: I'm not going there, damn and you announced the fight.

2374
01:52:43,320 --> 01:52:45,200
Speaker 3: Damn is that your Do you think that's your main event?

2375
01:52:46,160 --> 01:52:48,920
Speaker 2: No, that's my co that's.

2376
01:52:47,960 --> 01:52:51,120
Speaker 3: Oh ship you don't even know yet. Okay, Luke, this wow.

2377
01:52:51,200 --> 01:52:52,639
Speaker 3: A lot of a lot of big names out there

2378
01:52:52,680 --> 01:52:55,280
Speaker 3: for me. Man, I can be fun. I could have fun,

2379
01:52:55,320 --> 01:52:56,760
Speaker 3: I can go weird. I could do a lot of

2380
01:52:56,760 --> 01:53:00,160
Speaker 3: different things here. But instead I'm gonna go I'm you

2381
01:53:00,160 --> 01:53:02,240
Speaker 3: gotta take talent. There's too much talent left on the board.

2382
01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:05,080
Speaker 3: I have to pick Alexander Volkanowski, the pound for pound king.

2383
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:07,439
Speaker 3: I have to I mean, not to fight Max a

2384
01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:09,920
Speaker 3: fourth time. I just know that if he can't be

2385
01:53:09,960 --> 01:53:11,759
Speaker 3: out there for you. Look, I gotta win this. People

2386
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:13,559
Speaker 3: are gonna buy my pay per view over you. They're

2387
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:19,280
Speaker 3: gonna stream your bullshit Affliction second rate knockoff dog bullshit card.

2388
01:53:19,320 --> 01:53:26,120
Speaker 2: All right, Oh that is awesome my Affliction card. That's great. Uh. Okay,

2389
01:53:26,640 --> 01:53:30,160
Speaker 2: So this one is a little bit weird, and I

2390
01:53:30,200 --> 01:53:33,519
Speaker 2: acknowledge it's a little weird. But again, we're gonna meet

2391
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:35,679
Speaker 2: in the middle. Okay, We're gonna meet in the middle,

2392
01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:37,479
Speaker 2: tip to tip, So we're gonna do We're gonna meet

2393
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:40,120
Speaker 2: in the middle. So who is John Jones gonna fight,

2394
01:53:40,160 --> 01:53:42,240
Speaker 2: You might be asking, Well, he's gonna fight at two

2395
01:53:42,320 --> 01:53:45,439
Speaker 2: oh five. Okay, he's gonna fight at two o five.

2396
01:53:45,640 --> 01:53:46,360
Speaker 3: This is interesting.

2397
01:53:47,280 --> 01:53:51,160
Speaker 2: He's gonna fight Robert Whittaker. Robert Whittaker, the freak, god

2398
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:54,559
Speaker 2: fuck you, fuck you. He's up one way, give the

2399
01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:57,680
Speaker 2: welter away. Come on, he was He's a one eddy

2400
01:53:57,760 --> 01:53:59,920
Speaker 2: five pound former champion. You beat you all, Romero twice.

2401
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:01,200
Speaker 2: He is gonna fight John Jones.

2402
01:54:01,240 --> 01:54:03,240
Speaker 3: He can't fight at two o five, first of all.

2403
01:54:03,240 --> 01:54:05,559
Speaker 3: And I'm the biggest living legend Robert Whitiker fan there

2404
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:07,439
Speaker 3: is he First of all, he can't fight at two

2405
01:54:07,479 --> 01:54:10,920
Speaker 3: o five again, John Jon's gonna move down to then

2406
01:54:11,200 --> 01:54:12,800
Speaker 3: just he'll just sit on him. You don't look like

2407
01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:14,160
Speaker 3: the Gon fight all over again?

2408
01:54:14,760 --> 01:54:18,519
Speaker 2: Fine, then let's I don't get to vote on which

2409
01:54:18,520 --> 01:54:19,400
Speaker 2: car the fans love.

2410
01:54:19,720 --> 01:54:22,400
Speaker 3: There's different philosophies here, Luke, okay, all right?

2411
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:25,439
Speaker 2: Or different philosophy John Jones Robert Whitaker at two o

2412
01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:29,519
Speaker 2: five again. Well, it was gonna be John Jones versus Izzy,

2413
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:31,759
Speaker 2: but you fucking ruined it for me, like the bitch

2414
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:32,240
Speaker 2: that you are.

2415
01:54:32,520 --> 01:54:35,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I definitely am. You know what, Luke, what

2416
01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:38,040
Speaker 3: you need. I'm not gonna go a lot of ways here,

2417
01:54:38,320 --> 01:54:42,400
Speaker 3: but sometimes you need some good old American muscle and

2418
01:54:42,440 --> 01:54:45,800
Speaker 3: a guy who can fight multi divisions against anybody in

2419
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:48,880
Speaker 3: any scenario. Sometimes you got to take the good guys. Right.

2420
01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:52,920
Speaker 3: How about Dustin Pourrier as my fifth overall pick? Dude,

2421
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:54,960
Speaker 3: I can do too many great things here with him.

2422
01:54:55,120 --> 01:54:56,240
Speaker 3: You done fed up? Luke?

2423
01:54:57,360 --> 01:54:57,760
Speaker 2: All right?

2424
01:54:58,120 --> 01:54:58,480
Speaker 3: Uh?

2425
01:54:58,520 --> 01:55:00,840
Speaker 2: For my so what a what pick are we on?

2426
01:55:00,920 --> 01:55:01,560
Speaker 2: Am I on eight?

2427
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:04,240
Speaker 3: This is the fifth overall for you and it will

2428
01:55:04,240 --> 01:55:05,000
Speaker 3: be number.

2429
01:55:04,760 --> 01:55:08,440
Speaker 2: Ten, number ten, ten tenth pick. I'm gonna take Colby Covington.

2430
01:55:09,040 --> 01:55:11,080
Speaker 2: I feel like I can play with that a little

2431
01:55:11,080 --> 01:55:14,200
Speaker 2: bit as a heel and create some matchups that folks

2432
01:55:14,280 --> 01:55:16,040
Speaker 2: want to see. I'm gonna take Colby Covington.

2433
01:55:17,800 --> 01:55:22,240
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, wow. You know I haven't made a matchup

2434
01:55:22,280 --> 01:55:25,320
Speaker 3: yet because I've got too many interesting combinations. But I

2435
01:55:25,400 --> 01:55:28,080
Speaker 3: did not see you taking Covington at all. Let alone

2436
01:55:28,120 --> 01:55:32,120
Speaker 3: right now. But he does move the needle. Luke, Okay, wow,

2437
01:55:32,480 --> 01:55:33,880
Speaker 3: all right, let me get this out of the way

2438
01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:36,120
Speaker 3: since we're doing wild card picks right now, because I

2439
01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:38,640
Speaker 3: don't want to miss it. Later on, I'm gonna take

2440
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:41,160
Speaker 3: Bo Nickel at number six over.

2441
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:44,880
Speaker 2: Ooh ooh, that's an interesting pick. Why are you taking him?

2442
01:55:45,560 --> 01:55:49,320
Speaker 3: Because we haven't seen him against a like a real

2443
01:55:49,480 --> 01:55:52,560
Speaker 3: live body yet, But I could unveil that to you

2444
01:55:52,600 --> 01:55:56,480
Speaker 3: against a huge name on this pay per view, You're

2445
01:55:56,520 --> 01:55:59,880
Speaker 3: gonna be like, oh shit, is he ready for that level?

2446
01:56:00,240 --> 01:56:02,280
Speaker 3: I mean, dude, I have Attasania right now on my

2447
01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:05,360
Speaker 3: on my stable, I have Chamayav. I can do some

2448
01:56:05,440 --> 01:56:08,120
Speaker 3: shit right now. Okay, my team, I don't have any

2449
01:56:08,160 --> 01:56:11,040
Speaker 3: matchups set yet, but my my team, my starting five,

2450
01:56:11,200 --> 01:56:13,640
Speaker 3: Luke is is turning you into a urinal cake.

2451
01:56:14,920 --> 01:56:18,240
Speaker 2: I don't think that it is. Is it my turn? Yes? Hey?

2452
01:56:18,320 --> 01:56:20,440
Speaker 2: For my next pick, I guess the twelfth pick in

2453
01:56:20,480 --> 01:56:23,280
Speaker 2: the draft, I'm gonna take Sean O'Malley at one five.

2454
01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:25,080
Speaker 3: Now, that is a good pick.

2455
01:56:25,440 --> 01:56:27,320
Speaker 2: I feel like there's some fun things you could do

2456
01:56:27,400 --> 01:56:31,520
Speaker 2: at that division, potentially even up aweight class, some fun

2457
01:56:31,560 --> 01:56:33,800
Speaker 2: permutations you could work with there. So he is my

2458
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:34,560
Speaker 2: next pick.

2459
01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:38,400
Speaker 3: Okay, that's a that's what you call great fight right there,

2460
01:56:38,240 --> 01:56:40,240
Speaker 3: That there are a great fighter that you can use

2461
01:56:40,280 --> 01:56:42,920
Speaker 3: in so many different ways. I like that's a lot.

2462
01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:45,720
Speaker 3: I mean, like you know, that's that's that's that's to

2463
01:56:45,800 --> 01:56:48,080
Speaker 3: load up the early part of your pay per view card.

2464
01:56:48,080 --> 01:56:50,280
Speaker 3: If we got five bouts, Luke, the first fight's got

2465
01:56:50,280 --> 01:56:52,280
Speaker 3: to be a banger, right, But how about that second fight.

2466
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:55,120
Speaker 3: That's some star power you just put in there. All right.

2467
01:56:55,160 --> 01:56:56,760
Speaker 3: You know where I'm gonna go, Luke. I could go

2468
01:56:56,880 --> 01:56:59,280
Speaker 3: more American muscle. Damn. I didn't think you leave this

2469
01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:00,640
Speaker 3: many people on the board for me.

2470
01:57:00,760 --> 01:57:04,200
Speaker 2: Dude, r H create some interesting problems.

2471
01:57:04,960 --> 01:57:07,520
Speaker 3: It really does, all right, But you know what, I'm

2472
01:57:07,560 --> 01:57:12,600
Speaker 3: again about having options, and I have too many options.

2473
01:57:12,680 --> 01:57:15,520
Speaker 3: If I can pick with my sixth pick, seventh pick overall,

2474
01:57:16,640 --> 01:57:19,640
Speaker 3: thirteenth in the draft, justin Gaechee, give me the most

2475
01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:22,440
Speaker 3: exciting fighter in the history of this sport. Yeah, I'll

2476
01:57:22,440 --> 01:57:24,440
Speaker 3: take him at number seven, all right? Damn?

2477
01:57:24,480 --> 01:57:29,839
Speaker 2: All right, yeah right, See, now I've got some choices

2478
01:57:29,880 --> 01:57:37,040
Speaker 2: to make. Okay, okay, all right, Yeah, that's what my

2479
01:57:37,120 --> 01:57:39,160
Speaker 2: card looks like right there. As we look at our

2480
01:57:39,200 --> 01:57:40,400
Speaker 2: producer's computer.

2481
01:57:40,920 --> 01:57:46,440
Speaker 3: Two fights have been solidified? Is that for the interim title?

2482
01:57:46,440 --> 01:57:48,480
Speaker 3: At least the interim light heavyweight title? Man, what a

2483
01:57:48,480 --> 01:57:50,520
Speaker 3: shit fight. I can't believe you rolled that doll on me.

2484
01:57:50,920 --> 01:57:53,080
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't have a better choice. Once you took easy.

2485
01:57:53,120 --> 01:57:54,360
Speaker 2: That was had. I was all in.

2486
01:57:55,200 --> 01:57:59,240
Speaker 3: Your game plan was easy or bunk? I love it?

2487
01:57:59,320 --> 01:58:00,520
Speaker 3: That's great, you know it's good.

2488
01:58:01,840 --> 01:58:04,360
Speaker 2: Uh So how about this one? How about this one?

2489
01:58:04,720 --> 01:58:10,000
Speaker 2: For my next pick in the draft? Oh? This is tough,

2490
01:58:10,840 --> 01:58:19,400
Speaker 2: This is tough. Oh hmm. Can I see BC's list

2491
01:58:19,800 --> 01:58:21,280
Speaker 2: do we have it?

2492
01:58:22,800 --> 01:58:29,040
Speaker 3: I have chosen seven fighters so far, Chimayev, Adasanya, Holloway, Volkanovski,

2493
01:58:29,160 --> 01:58:32,520
Speaker 3: Poria bo Nicol, Justin Gaigie.

2494
01:58:32,520 --> 01:58:35,400
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right, all right, so in that

2495
01:58:35,600 --> 01:58:39,760
Speaker 2: sense a case, then the next fight I'm going to

2496
01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:44,640
Speaker 2: pick uh is going to be next fighter rather with

2497
01:58:44,760 --> 01:58:47,080
Speaker 2: my whatever pick it is in the draft fourteen or something,

2498
01:58:47,920 --> 01:58:50,520
Speaker 2: I am going to pick a very easy one to like,

2499
01:58:51,680 --> 01:58:55,400
Speaker 2: Schofcott Rockmanov. Shofcott Rockmanov is going to fight Colby Covington.

2500
01:58:57,280 --> 01:59:02,280
Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa. You have announced three fights already.

2501
01:59:02,360 --> 01:59:02,880
Speaker 2: Wow?

2502
01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:07,960
Speaker 3: All right, well I'm ready to announce my first fight, Luke, Okay,

2503
01:59:08,160 --> 01:59:10,840
Speaker 3: go ahead. This will not be this will not be

2504
01:59:10,960 --> 01:59:16,040
Speaker 3: the main event, but my cole main event for the

2505
01:59:16,640 --> 01:59:21,520
Speaker 3: vacant no I'm sorry for the interim light heavyweight title

2506
01:59:22,920 --> 01:59:25,839
Speaker 3: is Alex Padda versus Israel Ads.

2507
01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:29,919
Speaker 2: I think it's an uninspired choice.

2508
01:59:30,480 --> 01:59:34,360
Speaker 3: It wasn't what I had planned, but my talent is

2509
01:59:34,480 --> 01:59:37,280
Speaker 3: too thick at the moment that this just became. You

2510
01:59:37,320 --> 01:59:39,200
Speaker 3: know what, Let's get these two guys out of the

2511
01:59:39,240 --> 01:59:42,160
Speaker 3: way and let them dance again. And okay, well we'll

2512
01:59:42,160 --> 01:59:44,400
Speaker 3: throw an interim strap on there too, because UFC would

2513
01:59:44,440 --> 01:59:46,000
Speaker 3: do that. You know they would do that.

2514
01:59:45,960 --> 01:59:49,360
Speaker 2: Luke, they would. All right, So with my next pick

2515
01:59:49,360 --> 01:59:52,120
Speaker 2: in the draft, whatever it is, fourteen or sixteen, this

2516
01:59:52,200 --> 01:59:54,120
Speaker 2: is an easy one for me. You have been talking

2517
01:59:54,120 --> 01:59:58,160
Speaker 2: about someone putting this guy to the test. Perfect opportunity.

2518
01:59:58,200 --> 02:00:00,560
Speaker 2: Sean O'Malley is going to fight Umar and made off

2519
02:00:01,800 --> 02:00:07,520
Speaker 2: Umar off. That's a that's a great, big damn And

2520
02:00:07,640 --> 02:00:10,000
Speaker 2: you've got Islam on the same card. So you've got

2521
02:00:10,040 --> 02:00:12,480
Speaker 2: Islam and you've got Umar on the same card.

2522
02:00:13,520 --> 02:00:16,080
Speaker 3: Okay, you saved my main event.

2523
02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:18,720
Speaker 2: My main event is rubbish. Can we just be honest.

2524
02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:21,760
Speaker 2: My main event is rubbish, But everything else below that

2525
02:00:21,880 --> 02:00:22,920
Speaker 2: is pretty good.

2526
02:00:23,520 --> 02:00:26,040
Speaker 3: You know, I might I might change that that fight.

2527
02:00:26,120 --> 02:00:28,160
Speaker 3: I might take easy off of that fourth per day

2528
02:00:28,160 --> 02:00:30,080
Speaker 3: to fight Luke because I got even more options than

2529
02:00:30,080 --> 02:00:36,680
Speaker 3: I realized here. Wow, but uh yeah, or I can

2530
02:00:36,800 --> 02:00:38,800
Speaker 3: just keep that all right? Give me five seconds of

2531
02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:41,880
Speaker 3: your time here, you're on the clock. All right, you

2532
02:00:41,880 --> 02:00:45,920
Speaker 3: know who I'm picking. I can't believe I'm not picking.

2533
02:00:46,400 --> 02:00:49,240
Speaker 3: I cannot believe I'm not picking Eery Prahotzka here, Luke,

2534
02:00:49,440 --> 02:00:52,280
Speaker 3: he's out there. Who did you just take?

2535
02:00:52,280 --> 02:00:55,360
Speaker 2: After o'melly I took off.

2536
02:00:56,560 --> 02:00:57,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take Rosama Yunis.

2537
02:01:00,040 --> 02:01:02,680
Speaker 2: I was wondering. I was wondering how that was gonna go.

2538
02:01:03,240 --> 02:01:03,760
Speaker 3: I like that.

2539
02:01:03,920 --> 02:01:08,560
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so I'm now I'm really up against it.

2540
02:01:08,760 --> 02:01:21,480
Speaker 2: Now I'm really up against it. Hmmm, sh okay, I

2541
02:01:21,520 --> 02:01:32,000
Speaker 2: have an idea. I have ideah, all right, all right,

2542
02:01:32,040 --> 02:01:35,440
Speaker 2: I got my pick. My pick is in for my

2543
02:01:36,840 --> 02:01:39,400
Speaker 2: for my whatever it is, sixteenth pick in the draft

2544
02:01:39,440 --> 02:01:42,200
Speaker 2: or eighteenth whatever it is at this point, I'm gonna

2545
02:01:42,240 --> 02:01:46,560
Speaker 2: pick Brandon Moreno. Brandon Moreno, I'm going to add to

2546
02:01:46,600 --> 02:01:49,920
Speaker 2: the card, so you would have a championship fight if

2547
02:01:49,920 --> 02:01:51,040
Speaker 2: he stays at one twenty five.

2548
02:01:51,080 --> 02:01:51,560
Speaker 3: But he might not.

2549
02:01:51,600 --> 02:01:55,160
Speaker 2: He might go to one thirty brother, so we'll see

2550
02:01:55,160 --> 02:01:56,920
Speaker 2: how that goes. But Brandon Moreno is going to be

2551
02:01:57,000 --> 02:01:57,800
Speaker 2: on my card as well.

2552
02:01:58,680 --> 02:02:00,960
Speaker 3: I didn't see that one coming either, although obviously, who

2553
02:02:01,000 --> 02:02:04,200
Speaker 3: can argue against against that? Guy, not me, Luke. I'm

2554
02:02:04,200 --> 02:02:07,680
Speaker 3: gonna close with how about this the second official fight

2555
02:02:07,720 --> 02:02:12,400
Speaker 3: I will announce and a trilogy for the women's strawweight title,

2556
02:02:13,000 --> 02:02:18,440
Speaker 3: featuring the two greatest strawweights in women's one one five history.

2557
02:02:18,720 --> 02:02:21,760
Speaker 3: I'm taking Jongwae Lee and I'm putting her against Rose

2558
02:02:21,760 --> 02:02:24,400
Speaker 3: for the third time. Whether you people out there who

2559
02:02:24,480 --> 02:02:27,560
Speaker 3: watched the second Carla Rose fight want it or not,

2560
02:02:27,880 --> 02:02:30,320
Speaker 3: because I know I do, Luke, And like Pat Berry said,

2561
02:02:30,360 --> 02:02:32,640
Speaker 3: you don't see every three to four fight rule with Rose.

2562
02:02:32,640 --> 02:02:34,600
Speaker 3: She's got to have one bad one in between. I

2563
02:02:34,600 --> 02:02:36,560
Speaker 3: don't know how to explain that one, Luke, but I

2564
02:02:36,600 --> 02:02:39,040
Speaker 3: know that this is money, this is business, this is history,

2565
02:02:39,640 --> 02:02:41,160
Speaker 3: this is strawweights.

2566
02:02:41,720 --> 02:02:43,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so have we seen your card?

2567
02:02:44,080 --> 02:02:46,200
Speaker 3: No, I gotta finalize the other two fights. Why don't

2568
02:02:46,240 --> 02:02:46,920
Speaker 3: you make your next Pat?

2569
02:02:46,920 --> 02:02:49,000
Speaker 2: All right, So while you're doing that, here's my final fight.

2570
02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:50,960
Speaker 2: So you might be asking who Brandon Mareno is gonna fight.

2571
02:02:51,000 --> 02:02:53,720
Speaker 2: He's gonna stay a one to twenty five. He's gonna

2572
02:02:53,720 --> 02:02:58,120
Speaker 2: fight Henry Sahudo. He's gonna fight Henry Sahudo down of course.

2573
02:02:58,240 --> 02:03:01,560
Speaker 2: Oh wow, remember is the one thirty five pound champion.

2574
02:03:01,560 --> 02:03:03,640
Speaker 2: He's at one thirty five for this fight against al Jo,

2575
02:03:03,720 --> 02:03:05,400
Speaker 2: but one twenty five is where he's from. By the way,

2576
02:03:05,520 --> 02:03:09,040
Speaker 2: he coached on the season with Benavitez, where Moreno was

2577
02:03:09,080 --> 02:03:11,200
Speaker 2: part of that season. I forget if he was on

2578
02:03:11,240 --> 02:03:15,640
Speaker 2: Benavidez's or or or or Henry's team. But there you go.

2579
02:03:15,680 --> 02:03:18,280
Speaker 2: There's my card. Your main event is kind of rubbish,

2580
02:03:18,720 --> 02:03:23,200
Speaker 2: but after that it gets pretty freaking good. I like it.

2581
02:03:23,400 --> 02:03:25,920
Speaker 2: I like that card. We'd have to move. We'd have

2582
02:03:26,000 --> 02:03:29,760
Speaker 2: to move Moreno versus a Hudo above Covington and O'Malley

2583
02:03:30,640 --> 02:03:32,800
Speaker 2: in terms of order. But this is what the bout

2584
02:03:32,840 --> 02:03:35,080
Speaker 2: card would look like my main event, my main card.

2585
02:03:34,960 --> 02:03:38,680
Speaker 3: Rather Okay, hold on, I'm finalizing my final fight before

2586
02:03:38,720 --> 02:03:44,640
Speaker 3: we go full screen here. Oh no, look, you know

2587
02:03:44,680 --> 02:03:47,120
Speaker 3: what I'm The only thing I did wrong here was

2588
02:03:47,200 --> 02:03:49,960
Speaker 3: not drafting specifically for matchups because there was so much

2589
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:54,600
Speaker 3: good talent there. I have too many good you know.

2590
02:03:55,320 --> 02:03:57,280
Speaker 2: I just want to point out you took Izzy, which

2591
02:03:57,320 --> 02:03:59,520
Speaker 2: really hurt my main event, but you don't have any

2592
02:03:59,560 --> 02:04:02,400
Speaker 2: good use of him, so you really shouldn't have done that.

2593
02:04:02,440 --> 02:04:03,320
Speaker 2: I want to point that out.

2594
02:04:03,560 --> 02:04:05,400
Speaker 3: Well, actually, why don't I take Easy out of that

2595
02:04:05,400 --> 02:04:07,280
Speaker 3: fight then? And surprise you with what I got coming up?

2596
02:04:07,320 --> 02:04:07,480
Speaker 2: Right?

2597
02:04:07,440 --> 02:04:09,920
Speaker 3: Oh hey, why don't I do that?

2598
02:04:11,280 --> 02:04:16,520
Speaker 2: What do you got? As the show goes well over

2599
02:04:16,520 --> 02:04:17,240
Speaker 2: the two hour mark.

2600
02:04:17,440 --> 02:04:19,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but this is gonna be worth it. Okay, you're

2601
02:04:19,680 --> 02:04:27,480
Speaker 3: gonna like this. Okay, here we go. No, I don't know, man,

2602
02:04:27,480 --> 02:04:28,880
Speaker 3: it's just tough. You know, it's a tougher job that

2603
02:04:28,920 --> 02:04:35,600
Speaker 3: people think. But Luke, man, you know what I mean?

2604
02:04:34,720 --> 02:04:39,960
Speaker 3: What did you you? You present your entire card in order, right?

2605
02:04:40,760 --> 02:04:41,839
Speaker 2: More or less? Yeah?

2606
02:04:42,080 --> 02:04:46,360
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I don't like that either. All right, So

2607
02:04:46,400 --> 02:04:52,280
Speaker 3: here's what it's gonna be. In my main event, it's

2608
02:04:52,280 --> 02:04:55,920
Speaker 3: going to be Easy versus Padata for Luke at light

2609
02:04:55,960 --> 02:04:57,160
Speaker 3: heavyweight for the vacant title.

2610
02:04:57,400 --> 02:05:01,120
Speaker 2: Five you mean or three three in the m.

2611
02:05:01,200 --> 02:05:05,160
Speaker 3: M A space, all right. In the co main event,

2612
02:05:06,160 --> 02:05:12,680
Speaker 3: it's going to be Halloway versus Volkanowski. Four.

2613
02:05:13,400 --> 02:05:16,280
Speaker 2: Dude, you're just doing reruns four.

2614
02:05:16,640 --> 02:05:21,080
Speaker 3: Four Luke the featherweight title. Okay, okay, all right, this

2615
02:05:21,280 --> 02:05:22,800
Speaker 3: was you know, I had to fix some things around

2616
02:05:23,200 --> 02:05:26,800
Speaker 3: the number three slot Wayley Rose three for the straweight title.

2617
02:05:27,080 --> 02:05:32,480
Speaker 3: Just all reruns the second fight. I'm zat Chimayah versus

2618
02:05:32,480 --> 02:05:34,400
Speaker 3: bow Nickel for young middleweight.

2619
02:05:34,560 --> 02:05:37,760
Speaker 2: Okay, that's amazing. That's what I'm credit credit where credit

2620
02:05:37,800 --> 02:05:38,960
Speaker 2: is due. That's an amazing fight.

2621
02:05:39,680 --> 02:05:44,120
Speaker 3: And your opener du Justin Poorier versus Justin Gaichee two

2622
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:50,040
Speaker 3: for the title of baddest motherfucker in this lightweight slugfest era, Luke,

2623
02:05:50,440 --> 02:05:52,200
Speaker 3: how do you like them? Apples? Now, a couple of

2624
02:05:52,280 --> 02:05:57,720
Speaker 3: late replacements there, Isy versus Podata four, Volkanowski Holloway four,

2625
02:05:57,880 --> 02:05:58,480
Speaker 3: or maybe it's.

2626
02:05:58,320 --> 02:06:01,000
Speaker 2: A clarification, is the Ezy put in a four or

2627
02:06:01,120 --> 02:06:03,200
Speaker 2: five whatever? That's at two o five.

2628
02:06:03,600 --> 02:06:06,160
Speaker 3: That's at two o five, Luke. Okay, he followed him

2629
02:06:06,200 --> 02:06:10,080
Speaker 3: up there with him? All right, we got Volkanowski Holloway four,

2630
02:06:10,240 --> 02:06:13,839
Speaker 3: once and for all at featherweight Wailey nama Unis three,

2631
02:06:14,280 --> 02:06:17,760
Speaker 3: then Hamzap bow Nickel and the action fight to kick

2632
02:06:17,800 --> 02:06:20,440
Speaker 3: it off. Now the people need to vote, Okay, that's

2633
02:06:20,440 --> 02:06:20,920
Speaker 3: the thing, all right?

2634
02:06:20,960 --> 02:06:22,800
Speaker 2: Can we see the cards side by side by chance?

2635
02:06:25,840 --> 02:06:28,280
Speaker 2: Here we go. All right, So we got Izzy Pereira

2636
02:06:28,440 --> 02:06:32,200
Speaker 2: at two o five, Holloway, Volkanowski four, nom a Unis

2637
02:06:32,280 --> 02:06:34,400
Speaker 2: Jiang three or four, whatever the fuck it is. By

2638
02:06:34,600 --> 02:06:37,480
Speaker 2: this point, Hamsa versus bow Nickel. That's sick. And then

2639
02:06:37,520 --> 02:06:40,600
Speaker 2: Poorie versus Gaytschi two that's also sick, but also a rerun.

2640
02:06:41,200 --> 02:06:43,200
Speaker 3: Okay? Would you would you have rewired that? Did I

2641
02:06:43,280 --> 02:06:45,520
Speaker 3: f up by giving people what they don't actually want

2642
02:06:45,600 --> 02:06:47,040
Speaker 3: right now, which is Max Volte forour.

2643
02:06:47,800 --> 02:06:49,560
Speaker 2: You just got a lot of retreads. Yeah, you got

2644
02:06:49,600 --> 02:06:51,280
Speaker 2: a lot of retreads on there. Man. I don't know

2645
02:06:51,320 --> 02:06:53,000
Speaker 2: if like what the demand is for that. I mean, I.

2646
02:06:52,960 --> 02:06:58,160
Speaker 3: Guess is he bo Nickel for the title and a

2647
02:06:58,280 --> 02:06:59,960
Speaker 3: real roll the dice opportunity? Right?

2648
02:07:01,520 --> 02:07:03,600
Speaker 2: And then you do Hamzad versus Potato? That would have

2649
02:07:03,600 --> 02:07:05,320
Speaker 2: been that would have been more interesting.

2650
02:07:06,160 --> 02:07:07,520
Speaker 3: Would have been at middlewaight, yeah?

2651
02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:10,680
Speaker 2: Or i Isy versus Hamzad and then Nickel versus Padata.

2652
02:07:10,800 --> 02:07:12,160
Speaker 2: You could do that or either way.

2653
02:07:12,680 --> 02:07:14,560
Speaker 3: And then obviously I could do the same things with

2654
02:07:14,640 --> 02:07:17,960
Speaker 3: putting Max against Gaichie, which would be sick Max Poorier three,

2655
02:07:18,040 --> 02:07:19,640
Speaker 3: which I wouldn't you know, we don't need that, but

2656
02:07:20,000 --> 02:07:21,360
Speaker 3: that's available.

2657
02:07:20,800 --> 02:07:24,040
Speaker 2: There Max Poorier, Oh yeah, Max pot A three? Yeah,

2658
02:07:24,040 --> 02:07:26,880
Speaker 2: but yeah, yeah, then I.

2659
02:07:26,840 --> 02:07:28,880
Speaker 3: Would have had to make Volkanovski porier. Would you have

2660
02:07:28,880 --> 02:07:29,480
Speaker 3: been okay with that?

2661
02:07:32,720 --> 02:07:37,360
Speaker 2: Yes? I wouldn't have loved it, but yes, John Jones

2662
02:07:37,440 --> 02:07:39,720
Speaker 2: versus Robert would Curer again, not my most inspired choice,

2663
02:07:39,720 --> 02:07:40,480
Speaker 2: but it will held.

2664
02:07:40,520 --> 02:07:42,480
Speaker 3: That's the worst choice on all ten picks.

2665
02:07:43,080 --> 02:07:44,720
Speaker 2: Okay, but then the rest of my card is a

2666
02:07:44,760 --> 02:07:48,680
Speaker 2: fucking banger. Connor versus Islam is a great. Coolby versus

2667
02:07:48,760 --> 02:07:52,160
Speaker 2: Shavkat is great. O'Malley versus Umar is great, and Moreno

2668
02:07:52,240 --> 02:07:57,120
Speaker 2: versus a hudo at one twenty five is fucking great. Yeah. Yeah,

2669
02:07:57,520 --> 02:07:59,240
Speaker 2: so we're gonna vote on these.

2670
02:07:59,240 --> 02:08:02,200
Speaker 3: We're gonna get I was under pressure there at the end, Luke,

2671
02:08:02,240 --> 02:08:04,360
Speaker 3: with my GM hat on, trying trying to book the

2672
02:08:04,440 --> 02:08:06,360
Speaker 3: territory that you know, there was too many good options.

2673
02:08:06,360 --> 02:08:08,720
Speaker 3: I should have stayed matchup dependent there, Yeah, I should have.

2674
02:08:08,800 --> 02:08:11,440
Speaker 2: Wow, who is your football team? Are you a Giants guy?

2675
02:08:11,920 --> 02:08:14,320
Speaker 3: No? I don't really cheer. You know, fancy football ruin

2676
02:08:14,440 --> 02:08:17,080
Speaker 3: my fandom because I started playing in nineteen ninety, you know,

2677
02:08:17,120 --> 02:08:18,839
Speaker 3: back when you had to like mail each other letters

2678
02:08:18,880 --> 02:08:20,480
Speaker 3: like it was weird, but it was great.

2679
02:08:20,280 --> 02:08:24,360
Speaker 2: Luke, you know right, it didn't really answer my question.

2680
02:08:25,520 --> 02:08:27,240
Speaker 3: I mean I was a Bears fan as a kid.

2681
02:08:27,600 --> 02:08:31,120
Speaker 3: I kind of became a Falcons fan during the empcy

2682
02:08:31,160 --> 02:08:33,720
Speaker 3: Hammer era with Dean Sanders and Jerry Glanville. But then

2683
02:08:33,720 --> 02:08:35,680
Speaker 3: I was like who switches teams? But I was so

2684
02:08:35,800 --> 02:08:37,760
Speaker 3: mad that they traded Jim McMahon to the San Diego

2685
02:08:37,800 --> 02:08:39,800
Speaker 3: that I quit the Bears. But who quits a team?

2686
02:08:39,880 --> 02:08:40,320
Speaker 2: Like, you know what I mean?

2687
02:08:40,320 --> 02:08:41,640
Speaker 3: What an asshole? Right?

2688
02:08:41,960 --> 02:08:44,440
Speaker 2: And then people who don't cheer for teams, you know,

2689
02:08:44,560 --> 02:08:46,120
Speaker 2: like I mean, why why didn't you cheer for? Like?

2690
02:08:46,200 --> 02:08:49,200
Speaker 2: Who would it be? Patriots or Giants? I guess is

2691
02:08:49,200 --> 02:08:50,080
Speaker 2: how Connecticut rre?

2692
02:08:50,200 --> 02:08:52,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, there were too many Giants fans around me, and

2693
02:08:52,480 --> 02:08:54,040
Speaker 3: I was a little bit of a dissenter when it

2694
02:08:54,040 --> 02:08:56,640
Speaker 3: comes to this, Like, you know, I'm in Connecticut, but

2695
02:08:56,680 --> 02:08:58,800
Speaker 3: I was cheered against yukon basketball, you know what I mean?

2696
02:08:58,880 --> 02:09:00,400
Speaker 3: Like I was a little bit of like, like, you know,

2697
02:09:00,600 --> 02:09:02,840
Speaker 3: fuck you guys for just falling into this without a

2698
02:09:02,920 --> 02:09:03,560
Speaker 3: questioning it.

2699
02:09:03,600 --> 02:09:06,200
Speaker 2: You know, we are more alike than you realize. Dude,

2700
02:09:06,240 --> 02:09:07,960
Speaker 2: we are more alike than you realize.

2701
02:09:08,400 --> 02:09:12,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe maybe, but we are also far apart Luke

2702
02:09:12,480 --> 02:09:14,600
Speaker 3: in some very key areas that will eventually lead to

2703
02:09:14,640 --> 02:09:16,040
Speaker 3: our demise. But you know, we had a good run

2704
02:09:16,680 --> 02:09:19,160
Speaker 3: fair right, you know, Wow, what a great show today.

2705
02:09:18,920 --> 02:09:21,560
Speaker 2: To thank the good news. No time is going to

2706
02:09:21,600 --> 02:09:22,520
Speaker 2: see this, so we can just do.

2707
02:09:22,560 --> 02:09:25,800
Speaker 3: It'll, okay? Bet is in the books. We'll see how

2708
02:09:25,840 --> 02:09:29,080
Speaker 3: we do this weekend. Two Key's birthday this weekend, Luca,

2709
02:09:29,160 --> 02:09:31,960
Speaker 3: what is it? Big Big four? I'm excited for congress.

2710
02:09:31,840 --> 02:09:35,240
Speaker 2: In Big four four years old and she is as

2711
02:09:35,320 --> 02:09:36,040
Speaker 2: lovely as ever.

2712
02:09:36,680 --> 02:09:39,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Tukester is amazing. Shout out Mikey Mormele behind

2713
02:09:39,560 --> 02:09:42,760
Speaker 3: the scenes CBS Sports. You can catch our great bonus

2714
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Speaker 3: content at YouTube dot com Slash Morning Combat. Uh, we

2715
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Speaker 3: got Ace rich Franklin, Demetrius Johnson. Who else I talk? Look, Oh,

2716
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Speaker 3: Mike Perry. Did you got to watch me talking to

2717
02:09:53,080 --> 02:09:53,480
Speaker 3: Mike Perry?

2718
02:09:53,600 --> 02:09:54,920
Speaker 2: Mike Perry one is great.

2719
02:09:55,600 --> 02:09:58,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got a rock hold also Chad Mendus from

2720
02:09:58,320 --> 02:10:00,600
Speaker 3: the week before. So check out all that good stuff.

2721
02:10:00,680 --> 02:10:02,680
Speaker 3: And that's about it. Luke Thomas, you got other things

2722
02:10:02,680 --> 02:10:03,600
Speaker 3: you want to tell these people.

2723
02:10:04,320 --> 02:10:07,080
Speaker 2: We'll be back on Monday. Don't don't forget next Tuesday.

2724
02:10:07,160 --> 02:10:09,640
Speaker 2: They were shot RSD. We've got some other content to

2725
02:10:09,680 --> 02:10:11,760
Speaker 2: get you guys ready for what is the UFC two

2726
02:10:11,800 --> 02:10:13,720
Speaker 2: eighty eight that's coming up. We got some stuff headed

2727
02:10:13,760 --> 02:10:16,680
Speaker 2: your way for that. So yeah, we got to We're

2728
02:10:16,720 --> 02:10:18,520
Speaker 2: back back in the saddle. We're gonna be I think

2729
02:10:18,600 --> 02:10:22,920
Speaker 2: in studio the twelfth of May something like that. So, yeah,

2730
02:10:22,960 --> 02:10:24,320
Speaker 2: we're back to it. Let's do it.

2731
02:10:24,400 --> 02:10:27,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited to bang. Thank you cameo dot com

2732
02:10:27,440 --> 02:10:29,640
Speaker 3: slash Brian Campbell if you I mean, you know, Luke.

2733
02:10:29,680 --> 02:10:31,040
Speaker 3: All they have to do is read the reviews and

2734
02:10:31,080 --> 02:10:33,400
Speaker 3: they can see what type of video the message they'll

2735
02:10:33,400 --> 02:10:33,840
Speaker 3: be greeted with.

2736
02:10:33,880 --> 02:10:35,640
Speaker 2: If they I'm gonna use it. I'm gonna call it

2737
02:10:35,720 --> 02:10:37,520
Speaker 2: your super chat, and I'm gonna do it to get

2738
02:10:37,560 --> 02:10:38,520
Speaker 2: some information from you.

2739
02:10:39,040 --> 02:10:42,080
Speaker 3: So yeah, please continue to help those in your life

2740
02:10:42,120 --> 02:10:44,680
Speaker 3: by getting a BC greeting right, and also you could

2741
02:10:44,680 --> 02:10:46,680
Speaker 3: probably pay for questions on Luke's chat, But you know

2742
02:10:47,040 --> 02:10:49,280
Speaker 3: that's cool. I mean that's cool. Luke's got a great chat.

2743
02:10:49,360 --> 02:10:52,120
Speaker 3: I'm sure. I'm sure it's great, Luke. It's probably really good.

2744
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Speaker 3: It's probably great. To be honest, I should do a

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Speaker 3: chat more off, Luke, I still want to do that

2746
02:10:56,480 --> 02:10:57,920
Speaker 3: idea where we go head to head, even if it

2747
02:10:57,960 --> 02:11:00,720
Speaker 3: breaks us apart, but like that will force you and

2748
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Speaker 3: me to give everything we have. It's sort of like,

2749
02:11:04,000 --> 02:11:06,920
Speaker 3: you know, this new UFC conglomerate of other promotions, can

2750
02:11:06,920 --> 02:11:09,280
Speaker 3: they come back and stand up to the man, Luke.

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Speaker 3: I think they can. I believe that the children are

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02:11:11,600 --> 02:11:12,080
Speaker 3: our future.

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Speaker 2: You know, I purposely don't seek antagonism with you. I

2754
02:11:15,600 --> 02:11:17,880
Speaker 2: mean we end up there, you know, so we can

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02:11:17,960 --> 02:11:21,680
Speaker 2: avoid it on the bus, always structured terms. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 2: all right, there you go.

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Speaker 3: That's all I got for you this week. Tip your waitresses.

2758
02:11:26,480 --> 02:11:28,960
Speaker 3: Don't trust them hos because they ain't never loyal. But

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Speaker 3: this has been morning combat for Luke Thomas. I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 3: Take care of this upstairs, all right.

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Speaker 2: You can do it.

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02:11:34,880 --> 02:11:37,360
Speaker 3: You can get through it. Enjoy the fights. This weekend

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Speaker 3: we're out of I'm done. I don't that's it.