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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: So Lenna tell us about how a psychologist got involved

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Speaker 1: in this kind of field of a reincarnation, past, live

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Speaker 1: sole regression. How'd this all happen for you? Well, for me,

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Speaker 1: I was unsuspecting, George. I was back in my This

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Speaker 1: will tell people how old I am, but which is fine.

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Speaker 1: I was in my middle forties. I was practicing as

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Speaker 1: a general psychologist. I didn't know if I believed in

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Speaker 1: reincarnation or not. It wasn't something I really thought a

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Speaker 1: lot about, even though I've done a lot of grief counseling,

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Speaker 1: I'd been involved with hospice, but I wasn't. I didn't

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Speaker 1: have a lot of awareness and knowledge about reincarnation. Very

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Speaker 1: long story short. In nineteen ninety three, by original psychologist,

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Speaker 1: colleague and friend, we built a group practice together of

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Speaker 1: psychologists and psychiatrists. He passed at the age of thirty

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Speaker 1: two from a type of lung cancer, and yes, very sad,

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Speaker 1: you know, from a human standpoint, horrendous. He died in

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Speaker 1: April of ninety three, and within a day or two

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Speaker 1: I started having experiences, spiritual experiences that at first I thought,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe I was the one that needed a

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Speaker 1: therapist or medication. But the bottom line, as I began

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Speaker 1: to sense him around me, I intuited that he was

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Speaker 1: telling me things, and I began to believe that I

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Speaker 1: was seeing scenes in my mind's eye, especially in the dark,

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Speaker 1: like in bed at night or early morning. I was

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Speaker 1: beginning to see scenes in my mind that I felt

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Speaker 1: were past life scenes. And so just to finish the story,

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Speaker 1: because I think it happened the way it was all

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Speaker 1: meant to happen. So I thought that was weird, George.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do with it, except that

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Speaker 1: in my heart of hearts, I really believed I was

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Speaker 1: sensing my colleague's energy. So anyway, I said to my husband,

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Speaker 1: I'd already been married about twenty five years at that point.

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Speaker 1: To the person, I'm happily still married. Is he a

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Speaker 1: psychologist too, Earl? That ear Earl is a PhD and

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Speaker 1: political science Okay, all right, yeah, yeah, so's no, he's

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Speaker 1: not a psychologist, but you know, both of us well educated.

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Speaker 1: But we had never spoken about reincarnation at all. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: I said to Earle, who had known my colleague, well,

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Speaker 1: they were golf and lunch friends. I asked Earle to

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Speaker 1: need to tell you what's going on with me. If

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Speaker 1: you think it's crazy, I think I almost wanted him

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Speaker 1: to say that. I said, you just tell me you

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Speaker 1: think this is crazy. So I explained to Earle what

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Speaker 1: I was experiencing, and he looked at me with his

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Speaker 1: totally calm look, and I said, you don't seem to

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Speaker 1: act like you think this is weird. And he said so,

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Speaker 1: I said why, and basically Earl said, he said, apparently

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Speaker 1: I repressed what happened to me when I was a boy.

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Speaker 1: And he said, when I was eight, nine, ten years old,

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Speaker 1: I spontaneously remembered my past lives or all related to me.

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Speaker 1: And he said, I knew details of my lives. I

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Speaker 1: knew they were real. Don't ask me how I knew,

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Speaker 1: but I did. But he said, back in the middle fifties,

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Speaker 1: in you know, in central Oregon, who would believe me?

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Speaker 1: So he said, I apparently just TechEd it away. I

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Speaker 1: never told anyone. He said, yeah. He said, well, I've

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Speaker 1: always I've always believed in past lives so that it

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Speaker 1: made it easy for you, That's for sure. It did.

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Speaker 1: It did completely, completely, and I think that was really George.

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Speaker 1: I think that was meant to be. I think it

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Speaker 1: was meant to happen like that. Sure, But did you

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Speaker 1: ever when you were developing your career, did you ever

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Speaker 1: think you would get into that aspect of the field,

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Speaker 1: Not in any way, shape or form. I mean I

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Speaker 1: I had a general private practice. I did you know,

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Speaker 1: all types of therapy you might think, as psychologist does.

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Speaker 1: But my passion that I didn't really understand back then

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Speaker 1: being around someone who was dying. I'd actually, some years

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Speaker 1: had i'd no designs on becoming a regression therapist. Who

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Speaker 1: you know, it's been working with the soul now for oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know about twenty six twenty seven years. What

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Speaker 1: is when is for as you're concerned the soul? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the soul. And you know, I'll answer questions as candidly

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Speaker 1: after client after client. So it's not, you know, something

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Speaker 1: So what is the soul? The soul is an aspect

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Speaker 1: of divine energy. The soul is you might say, I

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Speaker 1: like to say, the soul is spun out of the Tao.

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Speaker 1: It's spun out of the Creator, whatever word people want

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Speaker 1: to use, God, great Spirit, whatever word works for people.

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Speaker 1: It's an aspect of the divine. But the soul is

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Speaker 1: designed to evolve. Our soul is not created in perfection.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's where soul regressions work sort of

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Speaker 1: departs from some probably Western religious beliefs. Was the soul

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Speaker 1: created obviously to attach to our bodies? I mean, what

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Speaker 1: what is its purpose? Very you know, very simple. The

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Speaker 1: soul is an aspect of how we evolve, as as

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Speaker 1: if we're focusing on earth for a minute, which I

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Speaker 1: know we'll depart from that too, But um, the soul

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Speaker 1: has to incarnate in order to evolve. It's like the

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Speaker 1: child has to go to school in order to learn.

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Speaker 1: The soul does not learn at the at the soul level,

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Speaker 1: at the spiritual realm level. The soul learns in body,

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Speaker 1: not out of body. Well, and they talk about what

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Speaker 1: the physical body. Souls and we don't, you know, have

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Speaker 1: to veer off yet. But souls incarnate on Earth, but

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Speaker 1: souls embody other than on Earth, outside of Earth or

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Speaker 1: what I call interplanetary. I had always believed, since I

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Speaker 1: was a child, and I've always believed in reincarnation that

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Speaker 1: we reincarnate until we reach a level of perfection. And

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Speaker 1: now we don't reincarnate anymore, there's no need to What

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Speaker 1: do you think of that? No, George, I think that

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Speaker 1: is completely That's what I've learned from clients over these

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Speaker 1: many years is that people will say, well, okay, Linda, well,

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Speaker 1: so what's the point. What are we evolving to? What?

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Speaker 1: You know, what's the purpose of gaining this higher level

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Speaker 1: of evolution, and the bottom line is that we are

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Speaker 1: evolving to become a spirit will guide ourselves. And then, yeah,

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Speaker 1: make sense. When we come into body, we bring a slice,

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Speaker 1: remains in the spiritual realm as we embody and as

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Speaker 1: we grow and evolve lifetime to lifetime, and of course

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Speaker 1: we trip and fall, and we can talk about that.

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Speaker 1: We have free will on earth, so we we sometimes

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Speaker 1: don't make the best choices, but as we evolve, we

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Speaker 1: higher level, but that doesn't mean we're well. The backman

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Speaker 1: with us. A couple of our books include Souls on Earth,

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Speaker 1: The Evolving Soul, Bringing Your Soul to Light Linda. In

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Speaker 1: terms of the evolution of a soul, how it progresses.

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Speaker 1: If someone, let's say, a despicable murderer starts off on

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Speaker 1: they automatically read that higher level of perception eventually? I mean,

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Speaker 1: how many times do they even if they if they

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Speaker 1: those are free will choices. My understanding is that Hitler's

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Speaker 1: they are the angelic realm. Souls are created in a

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Speaker 1: concept that No, they they are an angelic rome soul.

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Speaker 1: That's the kind of the entire orientation of their energy.

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Speaker 1: They don't incarnate frequently at all, but when they incarnate

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Speaker 1: there they incarnate, I would say, almost exclusively, if not

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Speaker 1: exclusively on Earth. Now, who created them? Oh, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I would say they're created. Probably the best way to

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Speaker 1: answer that is they're created by the Creator. They're created.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not hung up on terminology, nor do

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Speaker 1: I think that the work that I do is anti

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Speaker 1: Western religion. It doesn't. It isn't necessarily anti Western religion.

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Speaker 1: But the at a frequency that is perhaps higher than

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Speaker 1: we can even you know, perceive or conceive, they are

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Speaker 1: created by the Creator to serve the divine and with

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