WEBVTT - No Good Deed (Wicked: For Good) 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:04.440 And That's what you really missed with Jenna. 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.080 And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:13.640 Welcome to and That's what You're the most podcast. Hello Kevin. 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:17.720 It's a big day, Happy Wicked, Wicked Weekend. 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:24.720 Happy Wicked for Good weekend, Wicked everywhere. It is like 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:29.320 the premiere was really close to where I live last week. 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:33.040 Oh it really in pink and green. Yeah. 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:37.600 So John stood like Colgate with them like on the broom, 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:43.400 like like toothpaste, and he was like sure, Like we. 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:47.320 Really, I mean I feel like, you know, when Barbie 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:50.599 came out, the brand deals were like we had never 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:51.479 seen anything like that. 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.480 I think we've never seen put that shame No, truly, 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:57.320 I think it was like one hundred and forty or 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:05.479 hundred thirty seven partnerships. It's crazy, get your money, you know. Okay, 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:10.720 well we are. This is Wicked for Good Weekend. Wicked 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:15.160 premiered on November twenty first, twenty twenty five. We both 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:20.559 saw it this past weekend opening weekend. Oh my goodness. 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:24.119 You know, before we even say anything, I love an event. 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:27.280 I you know, I love a big event. I love 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:29.240 when people get excited to go to the movies, to 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:32.319 like go experience something together and the fact that this 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:36.120 is such an event, like especially for a musical. Musicals 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:39.040 are not that popular at the movies, and it's it 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:42.480 is really nice that this has happened. 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:45.839 I mean I went to the AMC Universal City Walk 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:48.919 and it was the Christmas Tree, like the Wicked Christmas Tree, 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:52.680 and then inside were the costumes. So it was Cynthia's 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:58.880 robes and also the Glinda dress, the gown ooh, pretty downs, 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:03.280 the beautiful gowns, gowns, beautiful gowns. She's they're both tiny, 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:07.720 they're so small. But it was a lovely experience. So 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:11.239 in the news, the Fate of Ophelia by Taylor Swift 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:11.839 is number one. 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:13.840 Damn yeah. 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:17.800 So and uh, the movie is Wicked for good. 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:20.760 I mean, it broke all kinds of records. It broke 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:24.399 the first movies records. It's it has made it over 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:27.680 like two hundred and thirty million dollars opening weekend worldwide 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:31.840 or something. It's it's crazy. Yeah, oh yeah, two hundred 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:33.160 and twenty six million worldwide. 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:34.760 Man. 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:35.760 Yeah. 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:39.800 Glea Casses continues to take over New York City. Kellen Kevin, 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:43.720 you're in still in spelling Bee and chest just you 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.160 both just opened, Darren is back in Maybe Happy Ending, 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:49.320 Alex just opened in Chicago, Groff is just in time, 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.360 Kristin Chenna with Is and Queen of Versailles. I saw 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:54.800 you had many friends come with you this weekend, Kevin 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:56.080 at the Bee. 0:02:56.080 --> 0:03:01.120 We did Chris Cofer with Will. It was so sweet. 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:02.480 I was like, do you want to be a guest speller. 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:05.480 He's like, nope, no, But you. 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:08.240 Did actually have a very special guest speller this weekend. 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:10.959 You had the one and only Harry Potter. 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:12.720 We had Daniel Radcliffe. 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:13.959 What a sweet man. 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:17.120 And it was a crazy time. The fire alarm went 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:18.919 off in the building. So we're at New World Stages. 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:22.520 There are five different theaters within one building, so if 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:26.080 the fire alarm goes off, everybody has to stop the 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:28.880 show and go outside and all your shows. All the 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:32.080 shows stopped, and we were right at the end. I 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:35.640 Love You song was just starting. Oh like Lily got 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:39.520 out her first Wow. 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:41.560 Crazy. We love live theater. 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:44.040 But it was it was an adventure every you know, 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.400 nothing was wrong, the fire department showed up, it was 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:50.800 all safe. But Daniel Radcliffe is just an excellent sport. 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:52.720 What a kind person. I had never met him before. 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:56.360 Oh my god, he had never seen the show before. Wow, 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.680 he knows Leanna who plays Marshy Park because they were 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:06.000 and merrily together with Craft and so he evacuated with 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:10.760 us and just a sweet sweet man. 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:14.200 You know, did he get bombarded? 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:18.120 The crowd went crazy for him. We sort of ran 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:20.839 security for him, you know, yeah, for sure, we were 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:23.400 trying to keep him safe. But he hung out with us. 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:27.719 And I love when somebody like that too, because he's 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.960 a theater boy. He has always he's done theater for 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:35.360 decades now, and like he wanted to come in and 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:38.360 not know anything about the show and he was one 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:42.080 of the guest spellers and just had He's like, if 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:43.800 I had known there was dancing, I would not have 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:44.159 done that. 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:51.320 Well, that's the joy. It was great, how fun. This 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:54.520 is directed by John M. Jew Obviously, this is part 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.840 two the screenplays when he Holtzman and Dana Fox. 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:00.480 Yes, And like we said before, it's based stuff that 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.160 he doesn't three musical by Stephen Shore so many Holtzman, 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:05.960 which is also based off of Gregor McGuire's nineteen eety 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:10.720 five novel Wicked, which again I did read last year 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:16.480 and choarographed and choreographed by Chris Scott, and it's a 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:21.279 reimagining of L. Frank Baum's nineteen hundred classic The Wonderful 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.640 Wizard of Oz and the nineteen thirty nine film. It's 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.000 all of those things in one. 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:33.440 Okay, before we get into too deep into this, Kevin, Yeah, 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:39.880 I just need everybody to take a deep breath, because 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:42.880 I came out of that theater and the two people 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:46.080 in front of me like they did Cynthia so dirty 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:50.320 with her song, and oh they tried to expand the world, 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.839 but like they didn't need it, and ah blah blah blah. 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:59.320 And I'm like, look the fact that a musical is 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:09.880 so being recognized worldwide to this scale and degree, the number, 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:13.599 we have an Asian director, we have a diverse cast 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:18.159 from a story about two, three, four very strong, flawed 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:23.840 female characters at the home. We have breaking box office 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:30.400 breaking records. We have the part one which was stupendous 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:38.640 with high regard and accolades galore. And the expectation is 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:43.760 so high, and this, to me is reminiscent of when 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:49.280 somebody gets too high up in the industry, there's nowhere 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:54.480 else but to take them down. So I'm just asking 0:06:54.560 --> 0:07:01.359 everybody to just take a deep in breath because it's wicked. 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:06.200 There's great songs. They're not as good as Part one. 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:10.560 But as long as you're mine, no good deed for 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:14.000 good even Girl in the Bubble, which might be a 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:21.720 hot take, but let's just let's just celebrate that. I 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:27.480 understand there was you know, my opinions will come out, 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:31.080 but as long as you're mine, and then we just 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.840 hit astride. Okay, we got back into the show, the 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.080 act that we know, the play that we know, the 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:39.360 musical that we know. I'm curious to hear from you, Kevin, 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:43.239 like what they pulled from the novel and the book 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:46.480 prior to that came back in because it was a 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:48.800 lot more of the animals and else of the story 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:50.440 about the animals, and I was like, that had to 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:52.320 be in the book, and if not, they ate it up. 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.400 So I'm curious because, like, I see what they were 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:56.840 trying to do, which is what we talked about in 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:00.560 the first one, was expanding the world, expanding the character development, 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:05.400 expanding all of that. Like, but I'm just gonna I'm 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:09.480 just gonna like take a deep breath. I enjoyed it. 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:15.040 I enjoyed everybody's performances. I thought the world was still there. 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:19.240 I thought the girls were remarkable. They were so good, 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:26.920 and I'm just like, really solid, really solid. I'm not 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:30.960 hating on it. I'm not bringing it down. Like they 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:35.200 obviously loved this, they loved making it. It's part of it, 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.800 Like I, I appreciate it, and I'm just I'm just 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:40.680 gonna get off the soapbox now. 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:41.439 No. 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:45.040 I think that's good. And that's also I always need 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:53.880 to be reminded of those things. You know, I'm a 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:54.640 critical bitch. 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:01.080 It's not a bad thing, but it's just sometime but 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:06.400 sometimes it's not about that, right, you know, right, right? Well, 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:10.000 I also think all of these things can coexist. I 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:13.320 think I do think so. A lot of the complaints too, 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:14.880 were like I hate that they broke it up into 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.439 two movies, and that's been coming up a lot. 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.360 I've had a lot of conversations the past week about that, 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:22.880 and it gets clearly just a cash grab, and I'm 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:27.440 like that. I I hard disagree with that because the 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:31.520 first movie, I enjoyed the pacing, I enjoyed living in 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.120 that world. Sure do I think some of those scenes 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:36.560 could have been shortened, and you could have probably taken 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:42.800 out twenty minutes maybe sure, but like that's not like 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:46.600 a deal breaker for me at all. With that first movie. 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:51.400 This movie, it probably could have been an hour and 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:55.079 a half. Yeah, I do think that. I do think 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:58.600 it could have been tightened, But like I do think 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:02.720 there is enough there too, you know, be deserving of 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:07.960 its own movie. Act two is historically not as good 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:11.199 as Act one. It has some like you said. 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:13.679 My argument is that if you were to make this 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.719 one movie, Act one would have had to be less 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:19.880 an Act one being as good, or the part one 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.120 of the movie being as good as it was was 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.480 because it had the space. Yes, if Act two was 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:27.200 crushed into Pact one, then it wouldn't We wouldn't have 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.720 had that in part one and the movie would have 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:31.360 been lost, right Yep. 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:36.840 I thought this movie really found its stride probably about 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.520 halfway through. Yes, I think when it got to Know 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:44.680 Good Deed, all of a sudden was like, okay, oh 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:45.240 we're in it. 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:47.440 One song before I was thinking as long as your mind, 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:49.480 and I was like, all right, here we are, We're back. 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:53.760 Yeah. Well, I think until that point it was like 0:10:53.840 --> 0:11:00.600 a little clunky to me. Yeah, And it was it 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.080 was a little weird adjusting into the characters, you know, 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:07.720 years later where we left Alpha Ba being this like 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:12.199 badass writing, you know, on her broom away, and then 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:17.880 we come back sort of in like this strange, strange 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:19.640 place there was there was a couple of things. I 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:25.480 was like, what what's happening? It almost felt like like 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:28.200 it was shot years later, even though it was shot 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:30.720 back to back, you know what I mean, like like 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:32.360 that sort of thing. But something happens all of a 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:38.320 sudden when for me, when it gets to no Good Deed, I. 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:42.000 Found it tried. It really did so in the in 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:46.000 the in the musical right, and I may make some 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:49.520 mistakes here, but thank goodness number one is my favorite song. 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.400 So thank goodness that that was so good because we 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:53.480 love that number. 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:54.720 And they I think in a whole bunch of like 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:57.920 really cool musical elements. I think in the beginning in 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.320 all those songs, there's a lot of new things. How 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:02.199 did you feel about those? I didn't. 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:04.160 I mean again, like I thought that was great, Like 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:06.040 I didn't. It didn't bother me. It didn't feel out 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:08.440 of context. It felt like it was part of the world. 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.679 So like none of that felt like it was forced. 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:14.679 I'm into it. I'm totally I was totally into it. 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:18.800 It didn't bother me. The no place like home felt 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:21.240 out of place because I had never heard it before. 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:26.720 And that whole story of her with Dulcibet and the 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:29.240 animals leaving because they felt like there was no other 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:32.240 escape in her trying to like corral them back to 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:36.640 fight together. I understand it. It just didn't hit like. 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:40.240 It just didn't And I was I was curious, Like 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:41.400 I was like, oh, I can't wait to talk to 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:43.480 Kevin about this, like with the animals, and like, was 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:47.440 that part of the book. 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:52.440 The animal not that scene, m but the animals were 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:56.000 the main driving force for alphabets story. 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.679 In the book, and I got that in the musical. 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.360 But this is really they've really like expanded on it, 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:02.400 and it just felt like. 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:08.880 It's like a double edged sword with some of these 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.959 expansion things in the story. Because I liked that they 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:15.000 added more of the animal stuff, I also think it 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:19.280 then created more like plot issues. Yes, and I think 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.320 that raised a lot more questions in this movie, and 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:24.720 then like only a couple of them got answered. 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:27.760 The way I was thinking about it was like weiked 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:31.079 went through an assortment of versions and workshops. 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:33.880 Right, I had the same thought, Yeah, keep going, there's 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:34.840 a reason. 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:39.440 Why those pieces weren't in the musical. There's a reason 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:46.200 why that wasn't included in the musical. Time not the necessity, 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:51.120 not really necessarily, it doesn't you don't need it, right, 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.840 so putting it I don't know the process, you know, 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:57.800 come for me, but like it seems like trying to 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:00.240 expand the world and bringing in those pieces this is 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:03.280 again we're cut out for a reason. They weren't brought 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:04.400 initially for a reason. 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:07.560 Yeah, I mean, well, I think you have more time 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:11.440 to do that, Like, and I was interested in seeing 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:13.880 the expansion of the world in that way. What I 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:15.480 don't think it needed was the song. 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:16.760 I know. 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:21.480 And I think to your point is like when and 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.600 we've talked about this, and there are obviously exceptions to this, 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.920 but I think it's a big uphill battle to put 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:31.560 in new songs into an established musical where things have 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:35.800 been workshopped, things have been thought about for years before 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.400 they ever seen the light of day, and then adding 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:43.080 in new music generally, I think feels a bit hollow 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:46.120 and you can tell the songs were written in a 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:51.480 different time, Yes, agreed, and especially if they're not moving 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:58.240 the plot forward, right, and I feel like these I 0:14:58.280 --> 0:14:59.400 know you like Girl on the Bubble. 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:02.960 I did because I don't think that like Alphabet has 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:06.600 an eleven o'clock number. This is a two hander, even 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:13.360 though Alphabet is technically the lead the No Place Like Home, Sure, 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:16.240 and are right, maybe Real in the Bubble doesn't move 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:19.680 the plot, but she doesn't get her second act number. 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:23.040 I thought Girl in the Bubble had more purpose than 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:29.040 No Place, No Place Like Home felt these The lyrics 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:33.280 of both of these songs were like very on the nose. 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:36.480 We're telling you exactly how we're feeling. There's no nuance 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:39.400 or depth to like what's really going on, and they're 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:44.320 just explaining things that they are currently feeling. Yeah, like 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:45.680 as an observer. 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:47.840 Yeah, for sure, And for sure. 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:53.720 I did enjoy Girl in the Bubble more. I think 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:57.160 for the reasons you probably did as well. Yeah, like 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.960 that and getting to see into her. We do know 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.880 more about Alphaba. I think, like how she's feeling, We're. 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.520 Like what's driving her and what like, yes. 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:09.280 Where it sort of felt like a hat on a hat. Yeah, 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:13.440 the scene with the animals already did that. Yes, Yes, 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.440 like having Dolci Bear come back and having that conversation 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:19.320 and all of that, like that was really meaningful. I 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:22.760 do have to say that the random assortment of like 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:28.920 six monkeys flying in and like hearing it and then bouncing, 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:33.160 I'm like, where did that come from? Why are we 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:40.000 just and then you know, and then it's like so 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:42.640 then you're also here's like you're presenting that there's like 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:47.640 this underground tunnel system. But then when Alphaba gets out 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:51.120 later on and the animals is all of a sudden back, 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:56.240 you're now telling me nobody saw Alphaba sneaking out to 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:58.160 the tunnels because the animals came back. 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.960 Well, they came back, but there has to be some. 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:08.520 Exchange here of that's that's a very minor that. Yeah, 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:10.879 that doesn't but that's what I mean by like, if 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:15.680 you're going to expand it, you gotta I think there's Yes, 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:19.760 you know, what we didn't do is tell people where 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:23.360 we were in the movie. So a little synopsis. Alphaba 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:27.000 obviously is hated by everybody, is living in exile in 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:31.119 this like beautiful little villain. 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:36.080 She's literally crafted as the villain, yes, and she's trying 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:41.199 to help you know, free the animals and fight for 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:45.560 their rights, and it's being silenced by the Wizard and 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:49.960 by Metamorble. Glinda has now become like the symbol of 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:51.760 goodness all around Oz, living in the palace in the 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.280 e World city and reveling in the perks of fame 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:58.960 and popularity. Under the instruction of Madame Morrible, Glinda is 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:03.480 deployed to as an effervescent comfort to Oz, reassuring the 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:09.040 masses that all as well. And then Glinda's you know, 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.600 getting married to Fierro, and Nessa Rose is now the 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:18.760 governess of munchkin Land, and ye, craziness ensues. So there's 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:20.879 a lot going on, and they have to set up 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.439 a lot and cover a lot, and then there's the 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:27.440 whole Wizard of Oz story of putting Dorothy in there 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:42.000 and getting tin Man and Scarecrow. And there's a scene 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:48.840 early on where Fierro finds out he's engaged to Glinda, right, 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:52.280 she's the good She's in a town speaking to the people. 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:59.840 With Madame Morrible, and they have this like an aside 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:03.680 to goodness, yes during thank goodness, and you see what's 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:06.959 really going on, and because you're you know, there's this 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:10.080 whole thing of like, is everybody so an effled? Besides? 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:13.800 Secretly is Glinda and are Glenda and Fierro like so 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.760 with it here? And they have just like really, I 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:20.479 thought Jonathan Bailey did such a great job acting in 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:21.680 this movie overall. 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:24.639 Jonathan Bailey for the win Erroo for the win. 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.160 I think he does. He doesn't have a lot to do, 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:30.320 but he doesn't make a meal out of it, and 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:32.560 he's not like hamming it up. He's not trying to 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:35.359 like good, he's yes, he is very good. 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:35.880 Yeah. 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:39.119 In that scene, it really sets up for me what 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:43.240 we can expect, not not only from their story, but 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:44.520 how they're playing this. 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:48.639 Like the conflict of like, you know, what do you 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:50.119 want me to do? How do you want me to 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:53.399 how would you want me to perform us or do? 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:56.320 Like because they're both both of those characters are in 0:19:56.440 --> 0:20:01.480 public facing yes, like public facing jobs. Yeah, and then 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:05.560 you have their inner person, but you don't really get 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:09.040 to see inner Fierro because this story is not about him, right, 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:12.719 And so that really that quick little scene with them, 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:17.320 you see like, oh once, since that first movie, his 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:20.640 interaction with Alphaba, he's been on this ride of changing 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:24.760 for a guess if you will and has never looked back, 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:29.000 where Glinda is more complicated. Glinda's a messy character. Both 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:32.760 of these characters are really messy. In the book Alphabet sucks, 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:36.120 to be honest, they both sort of suck like things 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:38.920 are happening to them and around them, and they sort 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:42.640 of just make everything worse. Like that's sort of the vibe. 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:44.959 And I do like their development in this. 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:50.359 Kudos to Winnie then for creating. Yes, they're messy. That's humans, right, 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:54.320 We're flawed, we are driven, and we are flawed, and 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:57.520 but we are layered and like I and human and 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:02.760 so I like I particularly like Elpha Ben the first act, 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:07.240 but then I particularly like Glinda in the second act. Yes, 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:12.680 because the arc is so clear and yet so dynamic, and. 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:14.879 She's just not like you know, Fiera's like you you 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:17.960 couldn't say no to this, like you know who could? 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:21.080 But you can't. And she's like, well, she's like who can. 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:24.840 He's like, well, you know who can? And it's not Ye, 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:26.080 it's not as clear cut. 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:29.679 And like she can't she can't, but she also like 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:32.280 she knows she isn't. Like that's the part of it 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:34.480 where she's like they're like you're so good and she's 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:38.680 like not yet, and I'm like yes, Like she's gonna 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:41.439 make it right. She's going to figure it out. She 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:44.679 knows she's made some mistakes and she's owning up to 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:47.760 that in that one line, like yeah, I know. Like 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:50.600 that's the dynamic of Glinda that I love. Is that, 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:53.480 Like even when Kristin was doing it, you're like, well, 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:56.879 she's a public figure, she's greedy, she's taking the spotlight 0:21:56.920 --> 0:21:59.080 and yeah she's still friends with Elfhi and like blah 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:02.840 blah blah. But this world where you get to see 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:05.680 the development more and Ariana, like you get to see 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:11.119 the beauty of like her acting out in like or 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:16.440 showing us the awareness she has about what her actions are, 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:21.199 like how her actions are having consequences on everybody, but 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:25.679 yet also like still innately good. Right, She's gonna make 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:26.240 it right. 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:29.800 Well hopefully, And I think that's like the beauty of it, 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:35.520 Like you don't the proximity she has too, like the 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:40.200 really evil people like Madam Morble and the Wizard, right, 0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:42.959 like that feels like okay, she's sort of like this 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:47.760 spy and cahoots and like she's keeping a closeness to them, 0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:53.280 because it's also in a way protecting Alphaba because she's 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:56.600 also still in contact with Alphaba and cares deeply about 0:22:56.640 --> 0:22:59.760 Alpha Ba, so like if she knows like keep your 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:04.280 mean's close kind of thing, but she's also benefiting from it, right, 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:09.200 And it feels tricky. It feels like an allegory for 0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:14.840 like race in America, or it feels like, well, you 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:19.399 as like the pretty white girl can still benefit from 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:23.919 like the bad actions that are affecting like the minority communities. 0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:28.919 And yet look at how Alphaba's been shut out and Alpha. 0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:32.399 Was being you know, looked at villainized, villainized, and she 0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:35.880 actually has all the power and the talent, right, and 0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:39.359 yet you're the one who's like mediocre at every single step. 0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:43.960 You're just like more successful and more successful and literally 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:48.960 living high in the castle. Yeah yeah, yeah, but you know, ultimately, 0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:54.240 the one thing she wants is friendship and piero and love, 0:23:54.520 --> 0:23:59.320 and she's not getting those things right, right, And there 0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:01.080 was there was some thing in the story like coming 0:24:01.080 --> 0:24:03.800 into it I and I talked to people about it, 0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:05.800 and like the thing that always rubs some people the 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:10.520 wrong way is like Alphaba towards the end of this 0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:15.199 is like she gets the man runs off, Like is 0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:18.480 she really a girl's girl in that way? Because it's like, wait, 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:21.000 she just took this guy. It's like that's not the 0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:24.320 story to me. No, not at all, And like I've 0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:26.760 read a lot of complaints about that really, and I 0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:29.240