1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huddle on giants 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: dot com the Giants of the Giants Podcast Network. Welcome 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: back to the newest edition of the Giant Subtle Podcast. 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: Today's guest Trevor Sikama from the Lockdown NFL Draft podcast 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: and the Draft Network. But first one our mind. Everybody. 6 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: You can find the Giant Subtle Podcast and all of 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 1: your Giants podcasts and the Giants Podcast Network, presented by 8 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: Investors Bank on the Giants Mobile app, at giants dot com, 9 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: slash podcast, and on your favorite podcast platforms. And now 10 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: now let's get onto our guests. If you guys, can 11 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: I can see Trevor. If you're listening to this, you 12 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: can't see him. He's still floating on the euphoric cloud 13 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: of joy, lifted up by Tom Brady of his Tampa 14 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers coming off a Super Bowl championship. Trevor, how 15 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: are you mad? I am doing great, John. I appreciate 16 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: you having me on the show. And yeah, it's you know, 17 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: people still ask like, oh, it's been like the Tampa 18 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers, your hometown team on the Super Bowl. It 19 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: really doesn't even feel real. Tampa has been so bad 20 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: for so long that it's just like within one calendar year, 21 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: Brady Gronkowski, Antonio Brown, Leonard four Nett, the whole team 22 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: came together booming, they won a super Bowl. It's not 23 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: supposed to be that easy. It's not supposed to work 24 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: out like that, but it did. It was a wild 25 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: ride and it was a lot of fun to watch. 26 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: Book just talk to Giant fans about oh seven and 27 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: eleven midway through those years. No Giant fan thought they 28 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: were in the super Bowl that year either. It's just 29 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: funny how those things kind of just come together sometimes. 30 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: And that's and that's why the NFL is great, right 31 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: because it could happen to any team any year. Yep, 32 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. That's why it's so exciting. You 33 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: see so much great turnover from teams and coaches, different 34 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: rosters for an off for an office people and anything 35 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: could happen. You know, a winning window can form overnight. 36 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: And that's why the off season, what we're doing right now, 37 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: that's why it's so exciting. And that's why the NFL 38 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: Draft is so exciting. And surprisingly we did not have 39 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: Trevorn to talk about the team Bay Buccaneers. I know 40 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: you folks out there are shocked about that, but we didn't. 41 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: He's gonna talk some draft. As I mentioned, you can 42 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: find them at the Draft Network. They do a lot 43 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: of great stuff. They're also the host of the Locked 44 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: On NFL Draft podcast. So Trevor, let's get into the 45 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: draft here. When it comes to the Giants, everyone wants 46 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: to store at the offense with these interviews. That's what 47 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: I always start with. The draft is heavy on offense. 48 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: So let's do a curve ball here. Let's start defense. 49 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: It's not a defense heavy draft at the top of 50 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: this draft class. But if you're sitting there at eleven 51 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: for the Giants, who are the guys that you realistically 52 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: think are worth that value that value at eleventh overall? 53 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: That playing the defensive side of the ball, well, I 54 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: mean it's specifically when you look at what the Giants 55 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: might be targeting. You know, they need a big time 56 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: edge rusher, like a pure edge rusher. You know, Leonard Williams. 57 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: He turned out to be a fantastic trade for them, 58 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: and that was good at everything working out. But he's versatile, right, 59 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: you play him on the interior a little bit. He's 60 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: sometimes more of a five tech defensive end. He's not 61 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: that pure pass rush, your edge rush kind of presence. 62 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: And so you know, when you if you're using like 63 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: the draft Networks prospect ranking or their mock draft machine 64 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: or something, you sort edge and you go, okay, the 65 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: Giants around the clock at eleven, you're looking at the 66 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: guy like Quity Pay, who's the the edge rusher from Michigan. 67 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: And he's the first name that you see there. And 68 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: Quity Pay is good. You know, he's a very stout, 69 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: strong defensive end, but he's more of that kind of 70 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 1: like five tech player, even stronger player to where you 71 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: can motion him inside a little bit. I see him, 72 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: he's he weighs less and so it's a little bit 73 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: different of a projection, but he kind of fills the 74 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: role in the versatility that you would already have with 75 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: Leonard Williams. And so even though Quity Pay would be fine, 76 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: you know, I was doing a mock draft earlier this 77 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: week and I actually had Quitty Pay go to the Giants. 78 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: I picked him for number eleven, and the second I did, 79 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: I was like, Nah, that's not it, like like they 80 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: could do better, They could do better than that. They 81 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: got a different edge rusture that they can get. And 82 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: when you think of some players who could really play 83 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: that more wider style and have a big impact, man 84 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: Jalen Phillips, if everything checks out with him. You know, 85 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: he had a lot of concussions when he was at 86 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: U c l A. Had other couple of injuries as well, 87 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: almost was done with football entirely. But this is a 88 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: former number one overall recruit in the country. When he 89 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: committed to U c l A, the edge rusher there, 90 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: and so he pops over to Miami. He goes, man, 91 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not done with football. He transfers over to Miami, 92 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: gets a fresh start, and this second half of this 93 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: season he put it on. And I mean he is big, long, athletic, 94 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: and guys who are his size just should not be 95 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: able to move as well as he does on the end. 96 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: And so when you talk about these high impact players, 97 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: these players that you're gonna pick with a top twelve 98 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: overall selection, He's a guy that I'm definitely looking at 99 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: to potentially be an option for him. His running made 100 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: at Miami, though we didn't get to see it this year. 101 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: Gregor Rousseau, that's another edge rusher. I think Giants fans 102 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: should keep an eye on. He plays a lot of 103 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: different positions too, and depending on how versatile they want 104 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: to get. I mean, he's played wide nine, he's played 105 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: five tech, he's played four. I even played a little 106 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: bit of nose because he's six foot five. He's got 107 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: crazy length and he's crazy strong. But he's a little 108 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: bit row given the fact that he was just a 109 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: sophomore last year when we watched him, because he opted 110 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: out this year, so we didn't get to see the tape. 111 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: You know, you put him in all of these different positions. 112 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: People go, oh, he didn't know what he's doing yet. 113 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: Of course, he didn't know what he's doing yet. His 114 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 1: first year when he showed up to college, he was 115 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: working on his weight. He was making sure that he 116 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: got his weight up, filled out his frame, and he 117 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: did that. And then his second year they're playing him 118 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: at all this different positions. Of course, he doesn't have 119 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: anything mat By the way, he wasn't a defensive line 120 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: in high school either, right, he wasn't he playing wide 121 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: receiver or something crazy like that. Yes, So I actually 122 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: did an interview with him, and I was asking about 123 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: all these different positions that he played and yeah, he 124 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: played like so many different positions in high school. So 125 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: Gregor Russo, the story of him, the football story, has been, 126 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: this guy is so talented, we want to play him 127 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: anywhere we can. In the NFL. Talent level is gonna 128 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: go up. Obviously, it's professional Football's the highest grade he 129 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: can get. They're gonna hone him in on one position. 130 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: I think that he's gonna be fine. He's gonna learn it, 131 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: and it might be a little bit of a learning 132 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: curve for him. But when he talked about positions that 133 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: the Giants might really target in the first round, edge rushers, 134 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: where I'm going and those are the names that I 135 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: might consider if I'm looking at eleven. Yes, so, Trevor, 136 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: I guess let's stick with the position for a second 137 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: here to me, then this would open up a window. 138 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: Let's say one of those top four quarterbacks happens to 139 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: drop down to number eleven, and maybe a team wants 140 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: to trade up to me. If the Giants trade down 141 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: into that seventeen to twenty area, that seems like the 142 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: gold mine for this group of edges. Right, because you 143 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: talked about these guys have a lot of talent. I'm 144 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: gonna throw Jason Away into the mix. He was a 145 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: physical freak, but he had I think like no production 146 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: last year in terms of sacks. Right, So all these 147 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: edge rushers have top end talent, but every one of 148 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: them has like this little thing where you're like, this 149 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: is what I worry about. So could that position be 150 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: a better fit if the Giants do some sort of 151 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: trade down they can definitely. Problem is that general manager 152 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman, he's not very acceptable at trade downs. It's 153 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: just not really what's been in his history. Not that 154 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure he hasn't been close to being doing it 155 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: in the past, but it's just been not part of 156 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: his draft day history, or at least something that that 157 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: that he wants to consider. He loves staying at his spots, 158 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: and so I've thought about that as well, thought about, Hey, 159 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: you know, if the Giants really want to go after 160 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: edge rusher with their first pick, they don't have to 161 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: sit at eleven. They can move back and get some 162 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: extra draft capital if they want to do that. They 163 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: can also if they want to go offensive offensive side 164 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: of the wall, which I'm sure that we're gonna get to, 165 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: you might be able to get some really nice pass 166 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: rushers at the top of the second round. If you 167 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: want you know is he's a gelry as a guy 168 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: who I love from Georgia. Who he's a player who Okay, 169 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: he might have limitations as like a total three down 170 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: defensive lineman, but when you really want a pass rusher 171 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: in there, when you really want a guy to pin 172 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: his ears back and attack the outside shoulders of offensive 173 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: tackles and just go after the quarterback. A few edge 174 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: rushers in this class dated better than o Jalari. Did 175 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: you mentioned Jay Snoah from Penn State there, Yeah, he's 176 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: he's still figuring stuff out, but dude, he is. He 177 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: is an athletic marvel. And I mean that that is 178 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: no shock to anyone who's followed Penn State. Penn State's 179 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: got some crazy athletic guys that have come through the 180 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: program out for the last couple of years. Miami pass 181 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: rusher Quincy Rochet, He's another guy who could be a 182 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: stand up guy who could give you a lot from 183 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: a speed element on the outside. He was a Temple 184 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: for a couple of years, then transferred over to Miami himself. 185 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: And so those are a handful of names, and I 186 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: think The Giants are honestly in a really good spot 187 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: for edge rusher, whether they want to go in the 188 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: first round or the second round. They could fill that 189 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: need with a couple of different guys that somebody's gonna 190 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: be left for him in the second round, and I 191 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: think that's gonna happen. So they're in a good spot there. 192 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: How do you view Michael Parsons you personally and at 193 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: the Draft Network. I watched about an hour of his 194 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: tape this morning, and it's funny. I need to watch 195 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: the linebackers a long long time and a lot of 196 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: their games, and you can't just watch players. You have 197 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: to watch games and see how they read things, how 198 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: they react. It's such a feel position that linebacker spot. 199 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: The thing that I like is that he's athletic enough 200 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: to do everything. He can run. He could take on blockers, 201 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: you know, inside the box, which a lot of linebackers 202 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: don't do now that are like two ten pounds, actually 203 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: take on an offensive lineman or a fullback, disengage, make 204 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: a play. Is he a true Top ten worthy, Devon 205 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 1: White type of linebacker. I mean, when you watch his tape, 206 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: it's hard not to see a guy like Devon White, right, 207 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,479 Speaker 1: I mean, like Micah Parsons just moved so well, so explosively. 208 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: I mean he's played edge rusher before in his past, 209 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: and now he played more off ball linebacker. That Cotton 210 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: Bowl tape that we saw from twenty nineteen against Memphis, 211 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: that's one of the best prospect tapes you could watch 212 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: of anyone in this entire class. Defense, offense, doesn't matter 213 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: the position. You watch Penn States Cotton Bowl against me 214 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 1: this and it's it's one of the best tapes that 215 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: you'll absolutely see. He's got fantastic speed, and his coverage 216 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 1: in stinks. Look, yeah, I think that they need a 217 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: little bit of work, But when I say work, I'm 218 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: just talking about reps. We saw flashes of what he 219 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: was able to do in coverage and how to requarterbacks 220 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: and when he was able to anticipate. He's so good 221 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: and so athletic that he could put himself right in 222 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: the path where the ball's coming. That means that turnovers 223 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: are coming as well. He's fantastic when you green dog 224 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: blits him up the up the A gap or the 225 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: B gap. When you give him a chance to do that, 226 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: lady could come off the edge dude, he could do 227 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: it all. He really can do it all. I think 228 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 1: that he's probably gonna end up as a top ten 229 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: overall talent for me in this class. Do you guys 230 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: have concerns about his off the field stuff? I know 231 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 1: there are whispers about that some people seem to take 232 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: him more seriously than others. Yeah. So, I mean we've 233 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: certainly heard that as well. Um, but it's it's not 234 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: been anything concrete. We're kind of in this situation that 235 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: everybody else is at this point where I have not 236 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: had anybody tell me one this happened or this happened. 237 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: But when there's smoke, and I'll say that, like and 238 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 1: there's this much smoke, you've got to at least pay 239 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: attention to it. We've got multiple parties now all coming 240 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: together kind of saying the same thing of like, hey, 241 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: I've heard there might be some off the field issues 242 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: with Michael Parsons, and you gotta at least put that 243 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: on your radar. I don't know exactly what happened. I 244 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: don't have anything concrete for it, but there have been 245 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: enough parties from from from different spots that have all 246 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: kind of come out and had these concerns that it 247 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: makes me think, Okay, this isn't just fabricated. There's something here. 248 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: You wonder just what the severity of it is. You 249 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: wonder what the level of it is there. And I 250 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: think that's why teams are gonna have it cut out 251 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: for them here doing research on these prospects with less 252 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: time to get to know him at the combine, less 253 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: time to get to know him as senior bowls like this, right, 254 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: it's gonna be such a different feel of how they 255 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: information gathering, background check a lot of these guys. And 256 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: so I think the best scouting staffs are going to 257 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: certainly show themselves as April. How about the top quarterbacks 258 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: in this class? Traveler As it is, quarterback is a 259 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: highly volatile position, to say the least when you're picking 260 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: in the first round. I mean, Jeffrey Could last year 261 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: was the consensus one of the best corners that come 262 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: out in years. He struggled his rookie year. So how 263 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: do you see this class and especially the two guys 264 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: that seemed to be the consensus top of the class, 265 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: Patrick certain and Caleb Farley. Are they truly top ten 266 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: value picks or they simply the two best guys on 267 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: top of the class. No, these guys are really good. 268 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: And you know, playing corner, somebody told me this a 269 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: while ago, and I never forgot it. Playing rookie corner 270 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: in the NFL as a starter, it's like drinking water 271 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: through a fire hose. You have so much coming at 272 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: you at once. You're almost it's just overwhelming. You know, 273 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: You're you're trying to learn yourself, okay, different kinds of 274 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 1: scheme and techniques that, Okay, I'm learning to do this 275 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: in this coach's defense. I'm learning how to feed off 276 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: of this safety like this, the zone coverage with this 277 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: linebacker in this way. You're also trying to study film 278 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: of all these wide receivers. Think of a rookie wider, 279 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: or think of a rookie corner trying to cover Davantae 280 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: Adams one week. You know, it's just like these are 281 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: The thing is that you have to try to learn 282 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: in a rookie season while there's so much also going 283 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: on from you, are going on with you on the 284 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: outside of your life as well as you become a 285 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: young man and come into your own with adulthood, and 286 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: all of these things go into the thing that we 287 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: see on the field and the professionalism that you have 288 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: in your sport, and so man, it's just so hard 289 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: to start as a rookie corner. And so when I 290 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: say that, I kind of wanted to say that a 291 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: little bit like, Hey, I thought Jeffrey Coody was good, 292 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: just like everybody else is. But you certainly got to 293 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: give him time, give him his chance to get his 294 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: lumps in. And we hear it all the time, the 295 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: best corners get beat. That certainly happens to rookies as 296 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: well as they learn it. But going back, Caleb Farley, 297 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: fantastic cover three corner. You want an off guy. He's 298 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: played wide receiver before. He knows exactly what wide receivers 299 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: are thinking. He's got a knack for the ball, he's 300 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: got those ball skills. He's still learning man coverage, and 301 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: I think that that's something that's gonna have to develop 302 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: throughout the NFL as he hones in on his technique 303 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: and he gets more reps doing it. But if you 304 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: want an off coverage cover three guy for you right now, 305 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: he gets shut it down. Patrick Church and he's kind 306 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: of the same way, and all throw a J. C. 307 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: Horne's name in there as well, the corner from South Carolina. 308 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: I think it's a three man race, that really is 309 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: because Horn plays with so much confidence. You love that 310 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: about the position, and it's taken him a little bit 311 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: to get to the point where he's talked about in 312 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: that same group with these guys. But man, his tape 313 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: this past year was fantastic. I watched a couple of 314 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: reps of him, especially versus Kyle Pitts in that game 315 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: against Florida where a many corners, there a many defenders 316 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: period who played Kyle Pitts with the sense of confidence 317 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: that j. C. Horne had against him, and so that 318 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: was a lot of fun to watch. You know that 319 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: the game is not going to be too big for 320 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: him at the NFL level, and as he is the 321 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: son of former wide receiver Joe Horn, you figured that 322 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: that would be the case. And so I really think 323 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: it's those three dudes. I think that Caleb Farley gives 324 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: you a better cover three pro profile right now, But 325 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: if you want to man coverage corner on day one, 326 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: Patrick Sir tan And and J. C. Horne, those are 327 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 1: the two dudes who could help you. How deep is 328 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: the quarterback class? If you the Giants want a guy 329 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: that can be a starting cornerback in the NFL, should 330 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: they definitely pick one of eleven or can they wait 331 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: till the second or maybe even the third round? This year, 332 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: you can maybe get away with it in the top 333 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: of the second round, Like if if a guy like 334 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 1: Eric Stokes can fault to you from Georgia um Mellophone 335 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 1: with the corner from Syracuse, Greg News in the corner 336 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: from Northwestern, if you might be able to get one 337 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: of those three guys, if you're the Giants, because you're 338 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 1: picking relatively soon in the second round, there's a chance 339 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: you could wait for it and get corner. Then after 340 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: that it's it's it's it's it's right, it's it's just 341 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: gonna be it's just gonna be tough. And you talk 342 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: about how important the position is, right, I mean, everybody 343 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: kind of emphasizes the three cornerstone positions of the game 344 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: of football are the passer, the pass rusher, and the 345 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: pass protector. Right left tackles ed rusher's quarterbacks. Those are 346 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: the three pillars of football. But you can you can 347 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: almost say shut down corner. An important cornerback is right 348 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: there at number four, right behind those three. And so 349 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: with that being so important, and especially with teams loading 350 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: their offenses with all kinds of offensive weapons in the 351 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: passing game nowadays, you know that teams are just reach 352 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: it for corners. They've got to put good corners out 353 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: there to match up against some of these really good 354 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: wide receivers and tight ends. And so I think if 355 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: the Giants waited and wanted to take one in the 356 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: second round, I think they'd be okay. They could get 357 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: a good one at the top of the second round. 358 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: You wait till the third round, you're basically picking a 359 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: guy and you're kind of taking a flyer on them, 360 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: and you're hoping you could develop them, And that's probably 361 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: what they're looking at. All. Right, let's get to the 362 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: main event, then, Trevor, if one of those top four 363 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: playmakers in this draft class, and the fans that don't know, 364 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: I'm talking about tighten Kyle Pitts you mentioned earlier wide 365 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: receiver Heisman Trophy winner Vante Smith, Jamaar Chase from LSU, 366 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle from Alabama. If one of those four guys 367 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: were there, would the Giants be nuts to pass on 368 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: one of those four to draft one of those defensive 369 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: guys we just talked about, I think, yes, it's okay. 370 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: The only and I'm trying, I'm trying to think about it. 371 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: The only player that I would consider on the defenses 372 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: out of the ball over one of those four guys 373 00:15:55,960 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: if they're there, is probably Jalen Phillips from my and like, 374 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: if you've if you've done your background work on him, 375 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: if you know his health is good, if if you 376 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: know that he's in good standings, and basically every way 377 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: you can, he'd be a fantastic pick for you. That 378 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: he would be worth the top fifteen pick. Now he'd 379 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: be in the conversation, I would probably still lean one 380 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: of those other guys that would be there, just to 381 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: think about what Kyle Pitts could do in that Giant's 382 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: offense is fantastic, and you can play him in multiple 383 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: tightensets with everything, and you can play in this slide, 384 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: you play him on the outside and next Jalen Waddle 385 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: of course gives you that trump card of that speed 386 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: that he has, but he's also got some strength to 387 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: his game. Davante Smith, been one of the most productive 388 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: receivers in college football in Alabama history, has been incredible 389 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: to watch his career and then Jamar Chase. Jamar Chase 390 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: is gonna freak some people out because he doesn't really 391 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: look like a wide receiver. Somebody was I was having 392 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: a conversation with somebody a couple of days ago, and 393 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: they said, like, he almost like looks like a smaller 394 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: running back out there playing wide receiver. He just looks 395 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: like he knows what he's doing at wide receiver, and 396 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: the build I think messes with people. But it's so 397 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: hard to find a wide receiver like Jamar Chase who 398 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: is as good as he is is at getting off 399 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: press coverage going into the NFL, because that's just not 400 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: something a lot of wide receivers see a ton of 401 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: in college. There's not a lot of corners in college 402 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: football who can correctly play that close press coverage, and 403 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: so wide receivers don't really have to learn how to 404 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: get off of it in college. They go to the NFL, 405 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: all kinds of corners know how to play press coverage, 406 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: and then they struggle, they struggle to separate, they start 407 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: to get the loss in their own abilities. Jamar Chase, Boom, 408 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: you draft him right away. He's fantastic and that's all 409 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: that to say, Giants need the weapons. Giants gotta put 410 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: everything they possibly can around Daniel Jones this year. You 411 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: hope it's say Kwon's is healthy and as good as 412 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: he's ever been before. But then you need that offense 413 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 1: and those passing weapons to be as good as they 414 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: could possibly be because Jones is coming into crunch time. 415 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: You know, you're you're talking about the fourth and fifth 416 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: year of his contract. You're talking about long term ideas 417 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: with him, and so you've got to get another, I 418 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: think big time passing weapon in front of him to 419 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: help that Giants offense out. All right, let's take a 420 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: look at these before we look at these guys individually, 421 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: these top four wideouts, which are the top four playmakers? 422 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: I kind of throw Kyle Pits into the mix. Which 423 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: one of those four, Trevor, do you think has the 424 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: best chance of being there when the Giants select at eleventh? 425 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: I would tell you, uh, I think Kyle Pitts has 426 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: the least amount of chance to be there when they 427 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: pick at eleven, even less than Jamaar Chase. Huh yes, 428 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: I would tell you that Jamaar Chase has the second lease. 429 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: And then Jalen Waddle has the third. I think that 430 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: they're kind of close, and then I would tell you 431 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: Davante Smith is probably the most likely to be there 432 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: at eleven. Interesting, all right, so let's talk about Davante Smith. 433 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: The Giants really need Trevor that X wide receiver. Right. 434 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 1: They have Darius Slayton, who can gonna pee that deep 435 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: throat down the field. Shepherd's a really good slock guy, 436 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: but they don't have that guy that can run all 437 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: the route routes on the rot tree went outside at 438 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: all levels of the defense. Is Davante Smith that type 439 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: of guy despite his slider frame. I don't think he is. 440 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: I mean, when you when you watch a lot of 441 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: what was the brilliance? And I want to make sure 442 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: that I say this correctly because I want to give 443 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: him his props. He was brilliant in so many ways 444 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: in college football. A lot of times you saw Davante 445 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: Smith do it against off coverage or with a step 446 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimmage. Is a flank or wide receiver, 447 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: so he's not having to deal with immediate press. His 448 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: release has been fantastic. He's so smooth in what he's 449 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: doing at the beginning of his route stem and so 450 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 1: all of that allowed him to be such a threat 451 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,239 Speaker 1: in college football. I don't think he gets afforded that 452 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: luxury in the NFL, especially not as an ex receiver. 453 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: You're not gonna want to put him up on the 454 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. Now. I think that he knows what 455 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: to do against press, but let's face it, he's about 456 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: six ft tall and he probably played football this year 457 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: at a hundred and sixty pounds. The profile for wide 458 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: receivers of that size and even shoot, even if you 459 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: want to throw another ten pounds on the guy. The 460 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: profile of wide receivers who have succeeded in the NFL, 461 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: not just been drafted, succeeded because we're talking about a 462 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: first round pick here is so so small. The big 463 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: one is to Sean Jackson. You're talking about more tight 464 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: thousand yards season with the Shawan Jackson, and you know 465 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: he had the four to speed, you know, like he 466 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 1: he was a deep threat guy. He was Okay, I'm 467 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: gonna get by it. You're you're already gonna give me 468 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: cushion because I'm so fast. I think DeVante Smith is 469 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: a good athlete. I don't think he's a DeShawn Jackson 470 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: common an athlete, and so this is where it's it's 471 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: hard for me. I love so much of DeVante Smith's game, 472 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: but I'm so worried that when corners get stronger, and 473 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 1: when corners get faster, and when they're much more willing 474 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: to play press and up and close against Davante Smith, 475 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: what he's gonna look like. And I just don't think 476 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: it's going to be as effective because I don't think 477 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: that he has that trump card that those other guys 478 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: do that I talked about before. He may just turned 479 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: out to be. Hey, his game is so all around 480 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: good it doesn't matter. And maybe that's the case, but 481 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: right now, I'm not so sure that's the case. And 482 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: it's funny. Once Jaylen Waddle got hurt, I feel like 483 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: they kind of shifted Smith into the Wattle role, right. 484 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: He kind of moved into the slot a lot, and 485 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: he ran a lot of those routes into open zone coverages. 486 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: So Wattle was the number one when the season started Alabama. 487 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: He was their featured guy. A lot of people call 488 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: him a slot Trevor, but he's not your traditional slot, right, 489 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 1: He's not that Cole Beasley type that's gonna run all 490 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: these like change of direction patterns. He's an explosive deep receiver. 491 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: So if you're the Giants and you saide, all right, 492 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle is my guy. He's there, we want to 493 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: pick him. How does he fit in then with slaying 494 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 1: with Shepherd kind of messing their skill sets together. Yeah, well, 495 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: I mean you're talking about a name that you left 496 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: out there with Golden Tate and what they've wanted to 497 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: get from him as a yard after the catch guy. 498 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: There's no better player I think in this class certainly. Well, 499 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: you can throw Rondale Moore in there if you really 500 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: like ron Dale Morrik Darius Tony as well, but the 501 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: very top has gotta be jal and Waddle. You get 502 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: the ball in this guy's hand on a quick pass, 503 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,959 Speaker 1: he could take it ninety yards to the house at 504 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: any time. He's also, like you said, he's a great 505 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: field stretcher. He could tack vertically, he can go get 506 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: the ball deep in the air. And so you know, 507 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: when I watched Henry Ruggs last year, I thought he 508 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: was more physical then a lot of people were giving 509 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: him credit for. Like I thought that Henry Ruggs could 510 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: go up and get a contested catch and he had 511 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: some strength in there, and yeah, you had the incredib 512 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: double speed of course, but he also was stronger at 513 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: the catch point. I think the same with Jalen Waddle. 514 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: And people are gonna sit here and be like, well, 515 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: rugg stunk is first year. Okay, you know, Ruggs was 516 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: certainly getting his confidence in his first year. You know, 517 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: I think that he was dealing a lot of finding 518 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: his place in the offense, trying to make an impact 519 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: one way or the other. And I think that there 520 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: were some times when he failed at doing that. But 521 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: again you go back to it's a rookie, he's learning. 522 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: He can't totally judge on that alone. But when the 523 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: skill sets show up. I felt like Jalen Waddle was 524 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 1: that the same thing. I feel like he played stronger 525 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: than the narrative aloud. They said, Okay is one of 526 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: the fastest guys in football, and you want to give 527 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: him his props as one of the fastest guys in football, 528 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: because he absolutely was. But I think he gives you 529 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 1: more strengthen that. I think that he gives you that 530 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: upside to get those contested catches those deep ball passes 531 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: over the shoulder, deep down the field, through the middle 532 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: of the scene and to the sideline. All that kinds 533 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: of stuff. Jalen Waddle gives you the ability to really 534 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: attack a defense in a lot of different ways, and 535 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: I think that's why he's so good. You talked about 536 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: this a little bit already. Jamar Chase is a different 537 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: type of wide receiver, and I think one underrated part 538 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: of playing receiver especi you in the NFL is power. 539 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: You see DeAndre Hopkins play with strength. You see Michael 540 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,239 Speaker 1: Thomas play with strength. Can you talk a little bit 541 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: about when you look at a guy like Chase who 542 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: might not run the four four two when he's not 543 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: six four six five, but how he turns his unique 544 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: skills into production and why, in your guys opinion, he 545 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: is that number one wide receiver on the board this year. Yeah. 546 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about receivers that play to a 547 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: big strength without having like elite like next level athleticism 548 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: with their feet. You named DeAndre Hopkins and Antonio Brown 549 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: during his prime, and Quom Bolden as well. Right, these 550 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: are players who seemed to dominate even without being elite separators. 551 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: Because of how strong they were, whether it was off 552 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: the lion scrimmage and when the ball was coming their way, 553 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: and so obviously all of those guys, it became refined 554 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: and smooth and nuanced to the position as things went on, 555 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: a couple of them the greatest to play the game 556 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: in the moments that they were playing it. And so 557 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: when you look at you mar Chase, you say, all right, 558 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: you have that similar profile where it's like, Okay, he's 559 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: not going to be an elite separator because of how 560 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: flexibly is or because of how fast his feet mover, 561 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: because of how fast he could put his foot in 562 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: the in the ground and change direction. But I think 563 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: he just brings so much of it all together, and 564 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: I think it revolves around that strength. And you know, 565 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: I talked before about the build of his body doesn't 566 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: often look like a wide receiver, and I think that's 567 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: just because he carries a lot of power with him, 568 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: a lot more power than wide receivers normally do. And 569 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: going back to him getting off press, I think that's 570 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: why he's an instant starter in the NFL. And I 571 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: think he's an instant, really good starter in the NFL. 572 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: Already knows how to get off press has the strength 573 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: to do it. It's not like it's something he's gotta 574 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: work with or his technique's got to be perfect. He 575 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: knows exactly how to do it. He's got in the 576 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: back of his mind and he knows what do after 577 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: that record breaker when he was with Joe Burrow and 578 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: they were opening up that pass game for LSU back 579 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: in twineteen, and I think that you're gonna see that 580 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: similar kind of success, well similar kind of success. I 581 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 1: don't want to say record breaking in the NFL right away, 582 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: but you're going to see him win a lot early 583 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: on in the NFL, even more than other receivers because 584 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: of that strength. Do you mentioned We'll get the Kyle 585 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: Pitts in a second, but first, fans want to remind 586 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: you that Giant fans, you get a New York Giants 587 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: checking account from Investors Bank with the Giants brand, the 588 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: debit card security feature in the discounts at the jihnt's 589 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: online shop, you don't know the two D fifty bucks 590 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: when you open an account and Investors Bank dot com 591 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: slash Giants member f D, I say, and the New 592 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: York Giants in quest diagnostics want our fans to come 593 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: back stronger than ever. Now you can order your own 594 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: lap tests to quest direct to get the health answers 595 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: you need most. Kyle Pitts, you said you think he's 596 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: the guy that's least likely to be there at eleven. 597 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: He's that much of a freak show. Because you hear, 598 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: you know, tight end top seven, top eight, people like, WHOA, 599 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: what's going on here? Why is Kyle Pitts different. I'll 600 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: tell you why he's different. It's because the emphasis that 601 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 1: we're seeing around the league right now on play action, 602 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: and when you allow yourself to have multiple tight ends 603 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: on the field, when you can go into twelve personnel, 604 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: when you can go into thirteen personnel to three tight 605 00:25:55,119 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: ends on the field, you make defenses respect the run threat. 606 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: And when you also have a guy who plays the 607 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: tight end position who is as good of a wide 608 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: receiver as you want him to be. I mean, you 609 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: gotta think about this too. A linebacker can't guard Kyle Pits. 610 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 1: A safety on their own right like a safety on 611 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: their own probably can't guard Kyle Pitch, which means, all 612 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: of a sudden, when Pits is on the field, you've 613 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: got to have multiple sets of eyes on him at 614 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: all times. Well, you know, if you're going heavy personnel, 615 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: if you've got twelve personnel in the field, those guys 616 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: also have to be worried about the gaps. They've got 617 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: to be worried about if it's a handoff, because I 618 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: don't want to get gashed in the run game. That's 619 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: a lot easier than a past So I think Kyle 620 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,239 Speaker 1: pits what he presents to you as a tight end, 621 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: even though look, of course he's not the most dense guy. 622 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: It's not like he's gonna be blocking guys out to 623 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: the sideline and through the opposing team's benches. But I 624 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: think he's fine as a blocker. I don't think he's 625 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: a total liability as a blocker. Room With that being said, 626 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: he brings so much value to what you can do 627 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: with multiple tight end sets, and we see that's where 628 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: the league is going, not just in the past the game, 629 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 1: but especially with play action and outside of that, when 630 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 1: you spread him out wide. He's shown that he could 631 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: be a slot wide receiver. He's shown that he could 632 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: play on the line of scrimmage outside of the sideline 633 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: as an X. Like you were talking about a giant 634 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: that the Giants have a big need at that and 635 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: so he knows how to get off press coverage. He 636 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: could be a mismatch for corners that are on the outside. 637 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: Basically everywhere you put this guy, he can be a 638 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: chess piece advantage for your offense. And I think that's 639 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: really what allows Kyle Pitts to transcend where we think 640 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: a tight end can potentially be drafted. Because I go 641 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: back to two thousand seven, that was Evan Ingram's draft. 642 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: Also in that draft, we saw O. J. Howard and 643 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: we saw David Joku and we talked about all three 644 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: of these guys and were like, this is one of 645 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: the best top end tight end classes we have ever seen, right, 646 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: I mean, like these guys could. Oh J. Howard's gonna 647 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: change the position throughout the rest of the league. Evan 648 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: Ingram is gonna be this incredible blend of wide receiver 649 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: and tight end. David Joku is It's just it's so 650 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: physically gifted in what he could do. I remember people 651 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: had O. J. Howard is like a top five player 652 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: in their class over overall of any position. O J. 653 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: Howard didn't go till nineteen, and he was the first 654 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: tight end off the board, and I remember people looked 655 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: at that and said, look, the leadis doesn't just doesn't 656 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: value tight ends like that. I think that's because that 657 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: class was a little bit early on the trend that 658 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: we see in football now. And I think that the 659 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: NFL is really ready for those tight ends to make 660 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 1: an impact like that, like we saw with t J. 661 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: Hockenson going ten overall a couple of years ago. I 662 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: think Kyle Pitts is gonna go higher than that. And 663 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: I think that's why, all right, if the Giants don't 664 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: get that playmaker to eleven and they say, oh man, 665 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: we better get one here in the second round. Luckily 666 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: it's a deep wide receiver class, but I'm not sure 667 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: how deep it is with outside X style wide receiver. 668 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: So if the Giants do have to wait till round two, 669 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: who are some of you guys you like in that 670 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: range that could still be on the board. So round 671 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: two it's kind of you know, you look at wide 672 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: receiver rankings and you think, okay, that kind of golden 673 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: tate after the catch receiver might be there before an 674 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: ex receiver that you might like. Because you look at 675 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: guys like Dwayne Eskridge for the wide receiver from Western Michigan, 676 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: ron Dale Moore, the wide receiver from from Purdue. If 677 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: Kendarius Tony, the wide receiver from Florida, makes it there, 678 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: these are all guys who fit app buill those more 679 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: inside guys who you can get too quick. They could 680 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: do magic with the ball in their hands, and they 681 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: can make things happen after the catch if they wanted 682 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: a true X. The guys that I looked to down 683 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: the board, Nico Collins potentially could be that guy. But 684 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if you need to draft him at 685 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: the top of the second round. I guess. I guess 686 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,959 Speaker 1: it's kind of a crapshoot exactly where these guys are 687 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: gonna go. So I'll just say Nico Collins is one 688 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: name to look out for. Seth Williams, the wide receiver 689 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: from Auburn. I think that he's getting slept on a 690 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: little bit. I think he could really bring you that 691 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: outside X wide receiver role and then save Sharratte. He's 692 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: a He's a guy who I loved going into summer scouting, 693 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: and and he didn't play this season because of COVID nineteen. 694 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people forget about him. 695 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: He's another guy who was like, Okay, he's a big dude, 696 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: he's a stronger dude. He's not the fastest guy out there, 697 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: but man, he just wins so much on the line 698 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: scrimmage and with with contested catches, and he's so much fun. 699 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: And so if I'm the Giants and you're not getting 700 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: the Kyle Pitts at eleven second or even maybe third round, 701 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: you have that opportunity to take a guy like Seth Williams, 702 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: like Nico Collins, like save Sharratte. Two guys you didn't mention, 703 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: And I wonder if it's because you don't think they're 704 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: going to be there or you don't consider them x 705 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: Is Rashad Bateman and Terrorist Marshall. I would tell you 706 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: that terrorist Marshall, because he wins so good vertically, would 707 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: be better as like a flank or wide receiver, Like 708 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: keep him off the line of scrimmage, don't let him 709 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: deal with press because he's tall, right, and everybody sees 710 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: the height and they go, okay, X receiver. He does 711 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: his best work, I think when you're getting him down 712 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: the field, when he's running nines, when he's running post, 713 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: when you can get him even in a slot and 714 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: go vertical. So I think that's probably I just wouldn't 715 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: I wouldn't like for him to be an ex, especially 716 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: right away. If he can learn how to get off 717 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: pressed real well, I mean more power to him, but 718 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't put him in EX right away. And the rashad 719 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: Bateman I like a slot, you know, like he's so 720 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: great with in breaking routes. He's so nuanced him what 721 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: he does. He's so smooth in that regard. I wouldn't 722 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: want him to play X again because the big thing 723 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: that that I struggle with here is Bateman is not 724 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: really going to threaten vertically, So he's not about that. 725 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: He's the kind of guy who is like corners can 726 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: be a little bit more relaxed. They could be more 727 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: aggressive because they know that, hey, even if Bateman beats 728 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: them off the line, even if Bateman breaks the press, 729 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: gets his arms around and starts to go vertical up 730 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: the field, good corners can probably recover and get close 731 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: to him because he just doesn't. He's not a blazer 732 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: down the field. And so that element also goes into 733 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: what an ex receiver is all about. And that's why 734 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: I think that bateman. You're getting more bang for your 735 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: buck if you leave him inside, if you let him 736 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: play in the slot and you let him torture some 737 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: CB three, some linebackers, some safety is coming down because 738 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: he'll definitely be able to do that. What do you 739 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: guys think about the offensive line class? I think, obviously 740 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: Penny Seul would be a guy that if he's there, 741 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: Levin would certainly be in consideration. I don't think anyone 742 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: thinks he will be. How do you see that next group? 743 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: Is Rashawn s Later a guy that can play guard 744 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,239 Speaker 1: and tackle. Do you guys see him more as an 745 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: inside guy and then any other tackle that you think 746 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: might be worth the top ten selection? Penny Seul is fantastic. 747 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: I mean the tape that this dude was putting out 748 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: there as an eight nineteen year old, right, you gotta 749 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: remember that too. That's something that remember not just about 750 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,719 Speaker 1: Penny Sewell, but Trey Lance as well. I mean they 751 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: didn't really play this year. Lance had the one game, 752 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: but Penny Sewell opted out. So all of the Penny 753 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: Seul tape that you watch right now is if him 754 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: is an eighteen and nineteen year old and he is 755 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: he's so good. He shows you such an incredible athletic 756 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: profile for a guy who's playing left tackle. I think 757 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: he's going to be a for sure top ten pick. 758 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: He's got to be with how well of an athlete 759 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: he is. Ray sions later. I really like I I do. 760 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: I think he's I think he's a technician for the position. 761 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: I think he understands it really well. Give Chase Young 762 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: fits a couple of years ago. Everybody talks about that, 763 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: but he's got so much good tape outside of that 764 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: as well. The arms a little short, and if you're 765 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: if if you're a team that has like the arm 766 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: length threshold that we've heard before, he might not pass 767 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: in that regard, but he'd be a fantastic guard as well. 768 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: I just think he's going to be a really good 769 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: offensive lineman. He's a player who I would tell you, 770 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: no matter what, we're going to draft you and let 771 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: you fail as an offensive tackle before we move you inside. 772 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: Like we're gonna play you with the most valuable position, 773 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: right or left tackle. See how you do there. If 774 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: you if you succeed, heck yeah, if out, then we'll 775 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: move you inside. And we know that we probably got 776 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: an all Pro guard or at least a really good 777 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: starting guard. I'll tell you though, as I was kind 778 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: of doing research for this podcast, knowing that we were 779 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: going to get this offensive question, Tevin Jenkins from Oklahoma 780 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: State is going to be a Dave gentleman guy. He 781 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: is aggressive. He likes to punch these dudes in the 782 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: mouth quick off the sets. He's very aggressive in what 783 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: he does. He likes to be physical and no matter 784 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: what he's doing, whether it's run sets or pass sets. 785 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: He's got a couple of plays that I was watching 786 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: the other day on the timeline where he's just burying 787 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: edge rushers to the ground and finishing these blocks. He's 788 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: got experience at guard. He's also got experience at left 789 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: and right tackle. I I would definitely look for Tevin 790 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: Jenkins as a target specifically for the New York Giants. 791 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: Does he get to the second round? Oh probably not? 792 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: Probably not, so they would have to work some magic, 793 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: maybe pop back up in the first round if they 794 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: want to do that. Now, this is a pretty deep 795 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: offensive tackle class though right last year I thought we 796 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,439 Speaker 1: had a really good group at the top. Everything I've 797 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: seen it looks like a guy like Alex loved the 798 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: Leatherwood for example. I know people told me last year 799 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: if he came out he might have been a first 800 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: round pick. He might be sitting there only second round. Right. 801 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 1: He's a guy too that I know some people might 802 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: think eventually play inside, but you have to start him 803 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: outside first and see if he succeeds. Yeah. No, there's 804 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: a couple of guys like that. I think that Leam 805 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: Mikenberg might be in the same category, not as a 806 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: not as a guard tackle hybrid, but a guy who 807 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: put out really nice tape this year, was very steady 808 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,720 Speaker 1: and notre dame. I don't think he's a super great athlete, 809 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 1: and so it's not like he's firing off the line 810 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: scrimmage and passets or anything. But I think he's very smooth. 811 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: I you look very controlled all year. I was super 812 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 1: impressed when I was able to watch Leam Mikelberg. Jackson 813 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: Carman is another guy, very powerful offensive tackle from Clemson. 814 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 1: He just brings a lot of power to that game. 815 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: And so you know, as you start getting into the 816 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: second round, really I've started to like this offensive tackle 817 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: class a little bit more, and I thought it I 818 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: think it got a bad rap early on because there's 819 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: a lot of guys that you go, okay, they can 820 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 1: be tackles or guards, and I think any time anybody 821 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: hears that, they go, oh, so they're not good enough 822 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 1: to play tackle, And that's not necessarily the case. Sometimes 823 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,439 Speaker 1: it might just be physical limitations, like if guys don't 824 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: have super long arms and they know the position really 825 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: well and they're steady in a lot of different areas, 826 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 1: but they just give up the uh, the length limitations 827 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: they show up too much. I think that that could 828 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: go into consideration. And I really do think that when 829 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: you looked at this offensive line class, there were so 830 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 1: many old linemen that had that inside outside versatility that 831 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: I think people were just straight up like, oh, that 832 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: must mean it's just not a good class. And I 833 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: would disagree. I'd push back on that. I think that 834 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 1: there's gonna be good offensive linemen is, but even offensive 835 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: tackles to get in the beginning of the second round, 836 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: which you don't often get to. Say. Two more general 837 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 1: questions at a prediction, Giant fans aren't gonna draft the quarterback, 838 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: but they probably want as many to go as possible 839 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: ahead of them. So maybe one of these guys we've 840 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 1: talked about will get pushed down to the Giants at eleven. 841 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: How many quarterbacks chever do you think go in the 842 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: top ten and little boat is fun? How many trades 843 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: you think happened to acquire those quarterbacks in the top 844 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: ten too? This is this is this is the question, right, 845 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: this is what everybody's trying to figure out. What the 846 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: mock drafts. I think we get at a minimum four 847 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,320 Speaker 1: quarterbacks to go before the Giants. At a minimum. That's 848 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: that's of course four going in the top ten. As 849 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: the Giants pick at number eleven. I mean, because you 850 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: look at teams, you figured that the first two their locks, right, 851 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: I mean you look at Trevor Lawrence going to the 852 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars, Zack Wilson, we think going to the New 853 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 1: York Jets at number two, that's already two right off 854 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: the bat. Miami, they're not gonna draft one, and so 855 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: they're not gonna sit at three without a trade. There's 856 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: too many other teams that need one. Caroline at eight, uh, 857 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 1: the Niners at twelve, the Patriots at fifteen. I mean 858 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: you look at the Washington football team at nineteen, the 859 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: Chicago Bears at twenty. All of these teams need a quarterback, 860 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 1: and so I think that you're gonna get Caroline is 861 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: gonna move up for one. The Falcons could potentially take one, 862 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 1: although I don't think that's going to happen. I think 863 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: that Arthur Smith, his new head coach, is gonna want 864 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: to get an offensive weapon. I believe that's gonna help 865 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: out his team more. You'll get the Niners want to 866 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: move up and maybe an upgrade from Jimmy Garoppolo. And 867 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: so I'll tell you, I'll say two trades happen in 868 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 1: front of the Giants, and I'll say four quarterbacks go 869 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: in front of the Giants. I like it. I think 870 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: I think that's a really good chance of happening. Give 871 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: me one thing that maybe you believe about this draft class. 872 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: It can be general about the class, it can be 873 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 1: about a specific player. Anything that you think that you're 874 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: passionate about that enough people aren't talking about. And when 875 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 1: it comes to draft class, we haven't talked about this 876 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: guy yet. So I'll just I'll just I'll just talk 877 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,919 Speaker 1: about my love for him. People freak out about running 878 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: backs in the first round. I'm sure the Giants fans 879 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: certainly know all about that with them taking Staykon Barkley 880 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 1: number two overall. But whoever drafts Nag Harris, I think 881 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 1: it's going to be an incredibly happy football team no matter, 882 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: no matter what. Like I've seen him potentially going number 883 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: sixteen to Arizona eighteen in Miami, a bunch of teams 884 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: in the twenties and a lot people I'll see Nagy 885 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: Harris go to these certain places and they go like no, 886 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 1: like no running back in the first round, like we 887 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: don't need. I guarantee that those people who don't want 888 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 1: Nagy Harris on draft night are gonna love having him 889 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: as he plays out here in their career. I think 890 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: that he's back who can impact the game in all 891 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,879 Speaker 1: three levels, and that's what's most important. I think he's 892 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: got very good vision. I think he's got fantastic feet, 893 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: obviously an unreal athlete for his size. I think he's 894 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 1: also a phenomenal dude. He's got great hands in the 895 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 1: past the game. He's got the frame to hold up 896 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: in pass protection. He could be everything you want is 897 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: as a running back. And so I know that it's 898 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 1: sacrilegious right now to talk about running back value, but 899 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,359 Speaker 1: all I'll say is that I think the fan base 900 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,880 Speaker 1: that gets Nagy Harris is gonna learn to love him, 901 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: whether it's on draft night or a couple of years 902 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: down the road. In the context that this is ridiculously 903 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: early and I'm not holding you to it, let's have 904 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: some fun to the giant selected overall draft. Let me look, 905 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the I'm I'm I'm looking at the 906 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,320 Speaker 1: the overall board right now. Just so I don't forget anybody. 907 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: Oh I I said that Davante Smith would probably be 908 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: the most likely to get there, but I don't feel 909 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 1: like Dave Gentleman is gonna take a guy of his size. 910 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: So I will say, did they take Gen Waddle? I'll 911 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: say Waddle? And you think that's a good fit. I 912 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 1: think it's perfect. I think it's exactly what they're looking for. Again, 913 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: you know, you're looking at probably moving off from what 914 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: Golden Tate was brought in to do for this team, 915 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,800 Speaker 1: because you're gonna get a twenty two year old, two 916 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: year old kid who could do it, probably even better 917 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: than than Golden Tate was maybe not his nuance right away, 918 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: but the speed and what he could do after the catch. 919 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: It's just it's perfect compliment. We talked about this earlier. 920 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: What the New York Giants want to do right now. 921 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: You know they have Evan Ingram at the tight end position. 922 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,479 Speaker 1: They've got Sterling Shepherd too to run the good routes 923 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,720 Speaker 1: for you. They've got Slating to stretch the field. Wattle 924 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: is really that missing piece, that last element of passing 925 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 1: that I think could really pull it all together for 926 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,319 Speaker 1: New York. Soever tell the folks where they can find 927 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,439 Speaker 1: all your work and podcast and everything else you guys 928 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,799 Speaker 1: are doing. I'm sweating after that prediction, John, I'm sweating, man. No, 929 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: I appreciate, I really appreciate you having me on This 930 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: is a lot of fun. You can follow my work 931 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: mainly on Twitter. I guess that's the best way to 932 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: keep up with me at Tampa Bay Trade t r 933 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 1: E at the end, and then to see how everything 934 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: that the scouting staff's got going on, you go over 935 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: the Draft network dot Com. They're running through all their 936 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,399 Speaker 1: final evails. They're putting everything out. They've got all these 937 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: player comps and steam fits and all these round projections. Everything. Man, 938 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 1: we're taking at next level this year. So if you 939 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,320 Speaker 1: want to learn about any position, any player in the draft. 940 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 1: Draft Network dot com and are you keeping the the 941 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: ego of your guys, Soulack, your co host on the 942 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: Locked On Draft podcast, are you are you keeping that Yes, 943 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. Yes, no, wait, you know we 944 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: we we we definitely are. We We're keeping that role 945 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 1: and we're going five days a week on Lockdown NFL Draft. 946 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: We're having a blast with that as well. And uh, 947 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,919 Speaker 1: you know speak of the I guess good timing here 948 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: over the entire month of March, we are going to 949 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: be doing that exact thing. We're going to be taking 950 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: a deep dive into all of the positions in NFL Draft, 951 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: giving you our final evails in our ranking is for 952 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,439 Speaker 1: all of those guys. So that's coming up to excellent Trevor, 953 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 1: good stuff, man, Talk to you soon. I appreciate you 954 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 1: John anytime. Trevor second with the Draft Network dot Com 955 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: and the Lockdown NFL Draft Podcast, we thank you for 956 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,400 Speaker 1: joining us. 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