WEBVTT - Maggie Rose 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:14.880 Carola. She's a queen of talking. He was sown your man. 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:19.360 She's only yes, actually got the snoop on on the 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:28.360 on side. No one can do with clid back Carola, Carola, 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:36.320 no one can do within clid Caralai Carola. Hey, y'all, 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:39.959 welcome to Hyper Caroline Hobby. I am your host, Caroline Hobby. 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:42.519 I know music, I know people, and I know the 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.440 questions do you want to ask? So let's get hyper 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:49.479 heads up. These are adults having adult conversations, so there 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:53.519 could be adult content. I am so excited to have 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:56.800 Maggie Rose in the house. Not only is she just 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:59.520 like a style icon. I love her style and fashion. 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:01.880 She's an using. She just got announced that she's on 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:05.360 c mt S Next Woman Tour with Martina McBride and 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:08.320 Lauren Elena. It just kicked off, killing it Postman Rose 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:10.720 also on that tour. She was named c mt S 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:13.240 seventeen to watch for two thousand seventeen. She's also want 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:16.800 to CMTS Next Woman of Country. She is going to 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:18.960 be playing a couple of shows with Faith in Tim 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:21.039 this year. Are you kidding me? On their solo soul tour. 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:23.680 I can't handle it. She really is killing it. This 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:25.959 is Maggie's year, so you guys get excited. There's so 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.560 much that we talked about. Her story is insane. Here 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:33.800 is Maggie Rose. I am here with the beautiful, the 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:41.559 talented Maggie Rose. Caroline, Caroline, Caroline. She's the reason for 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:45.479 the word love love. Yes, that's what I was gonna say. 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.480 That's the lyrics, what it should be. I know, if 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:51.080 only they knew you. Yes, I got to rewrite it. 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:53.440 We got to rewrite it. I just talked to outcasts 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:57.040 about the pencil that in so here dog Mark, we're 0:01:57.040 --> 0:02:00.960 at my house and there are two dogs roaming. They 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.760 might pick up. Our co stars are co stars today 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:08.560 because Maggie likes a party, right, yes, always, especially Ruby 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:12.320 and Sugar the greatest. Okay, So I want to start 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:14.440 off with a few questions. Okay, so just answer the 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:16.720 first thing that comes to your mind. Okay. I always 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:19.440 learned about myself with these kinds of questions too. They're 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:24.360 very good, right now, Okay, dream duet, dream duet, living 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:28.600 or dead or living? Okay? Frank Sinatra, Oh yeah, I 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:31.360 mean I know that might be kind of basic, but 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:35.000 I think it's because he's classic. Everyone wants to have 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:39.960 a duet with Frank Sinatra. He just uses everything only 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:42.480 he has only Frank. How does only Frank have it? 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:46.200 I don't know. He just I think it's this confidence 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:48.920 that he had from an early age. He knew he 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:51.240 was great and he just carried that through his whole career. 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:55.720 And my grandparents, who I just lost seven weeks apart 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:57.720 earlier this year. Do you think they died died of 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:01.640 a heart of heartbreak. Yeah. Actually wrote a song about it, 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:04.240 and I put a Sonata reference in the chorus because 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:09.240 that was, uh, some music that really brought them together 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.320 from you know, when they met to their last days. 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:18.359 So yeah, it's like the notebook love. It was totally. 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:22.280 It was a little heartbreaking. My grandmother and your grandpa 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:25.440 just couldn't do it. Yeah, So it was September and 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:30.560 then about seven weeks later, uh, and he had such 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:32.560 as zest for life. Still they were married for sixty 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:36.000 four years, and he stuck around long enough to put 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.280 up a tree at his house and carry on the 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:40.320 tradition that we always carried on on my dad's side 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:42.880 of the family. We'd spend that day with um me 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:46.640 mom people. But I was actually home I was lucky 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:50.000 enough to be home for a show on December three, 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:53.320 and he passed that weekend, so I got to say goodbye. 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:56.040 He didn't see me, but I was there, so yeah, 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.880 that's the best you could have though, for when you 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.440 have we have to pass on. It was scenario. It 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:05.120 was like the exclamation point to the end of two 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:08.920 thousand sixteen for me. I think, uh, not to jump 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.920 into it right away, but spoken about this so much, 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.000 I think that tell me about what happened in two 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:19.160 thousand sixteen. I set the table for this year. Phrasing 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:22.000 it like that. It was like my whole goal last 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:26.760 year was to get ready for this year where I 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:29.080 was going to share music again. And I think there 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:31.640 was a lot of behind the scenes work being done. 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:34.400 Not that I'm really fond of that term, because I 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:38.120 think that everything is important, whether a lot of people 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:40.000 are observing you doing it or if it's your own 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:45.039 personal journey. But it was writing music and I got married. 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:51.480 I I bought my catalog back. How great is that you? 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:57.320 And that happened like over Christmas break, so I feel 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.880 like I haven't quite gotten a break between some emotional 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.880 hardships and ups and downs and you know, I was 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.320 writing music for myself when I officially got to start 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:10.440 writing music for others. The Variety Show. Yeah, I mean 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:12.520 that was like kind of the start to the year. 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:15.599 That was such a great start because you released music 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:19.080 the Variety Show, which was so good. Tell me about 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.119 that and what was the inspiration behind the Variety Show. 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:27.400 I hadn't released any music since two thousand, so this 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:30.919 was last April two thou sixteen, and I had just 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:33.480 been writing and writing all this material and it was 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:35.159 all over the place. I think it was the first 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.760 time in my career that I gotten to a point 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:42.440 where I could just express myself creatively, Like you didn't 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:44.240 have anyone telling you what you need to do, what 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:47.040 doesn't work, what does well, and there are different goals 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.880 earlier on. It wasn't that people around me were trying 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:51.880 to keep me from being anything. It's just that we 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:56.599 were being strategic. We were trying to, you know, also 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:00.400 be successful from a business perspective and fulfilling creative and 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:04.359 it's really hard to do. Yeah, it's hard to be 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.839 little like her, and I think that I got I 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:09.839 was really young when I came to Nashville, and I 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.279 never and you had. You've had several record deals. I 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:16.760 have had three. I've had four, actually four record deals 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:20.600 because you started at like seventeen. Yes, I started professionally 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:24.800 singing um with Bruce Springsteen tribute band. They're actually the 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:28.160 b Street band who got embroiled in this whole political 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:32.640 web of the ones who agreed to do the gig 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:35.920 for Trump, like oh gosh, but they agreed four years ago, 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.560 and they did it for Obama eight years ago. And 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.760 so you were in that. Man. I was part of 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:46.320 the band that they're They're their own thing. I just 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.960 opened up with them and they would back me and 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:51.960 I do my own originals or other songs that I like. 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.200 Because I was sixteen year old, that's a great place 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:57.920 to a charactic school with no other place. The only 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.760 place I had ever had to perform was chart or 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:04.520 choirs and secular music. I was not performing at bars. 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:08.560 And until I met those guys, I didn't really know 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:11.280 or appreciate what it was to be a performer. Did 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:12.800 they give me a lot of did they teach you 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:14.040 a lot? And where did you meet them? Where it 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.320 tell me where you're from. So I'm from Potomac, Maryland, 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:21.480 Potomic Maryland, Potomac. Yes, like the Potomac River, the Potomac River, Maryland. 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:26.280 All the reads like Potomac, but it's from Potomac. Did 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:30.640 you meet them there? I did so. Rewinding way back, 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:34.880 I had um and I still have a business partner 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.000 who's been an advocate of mine for a long time. 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:41.160 But in the earlier years he was investing in me financially, 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.040 which is a beautiful thing. He believed in me as 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:47.760 an artist and a singer, and his family got behind 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:50.239 me and made the first few years a lot easier. 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:52.960 I will say, yes, we had no idea what we 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:57.280 were doing, but we knew that we had passion and 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.320 music and talent. So in the beginning, where you writing 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:02.680 your own songs, I was some of them you will 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.120 never hear. In fact, most of them you will never hear. 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:09.360 So you've been writing songs from a really young age. Yes, yeah, 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:13.520 But until I came to Nashville, UM, I realized what 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:15.960 it really takes to be a writer. And I think 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:21.160 having all the resources here of either people who are 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:25.920 amazing writers or singers or musicians really accelerated my development. 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:29.800 And it's like baptism by fire when I'm here. So 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:31.760 that was kind of your first record deal with this 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:34.079 you had an investor who kind of he started a 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:38.640 label for you. And then time Actually I got a 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:44.800 singles deal with Universal Republic and you covered use Somebody 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:46.920 from Kings of Leon, which was so good. You did 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.280 a different version. I will never forget when you did that. 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:53.480 It was so great. How did you decide to do that? Well? Actually, 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:57.120 and this hearkens back to how young I was. I 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:03.280 was connected with Tommy Mtre, like Mariah Carey, all of 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:06.160 them who did was he married was married to Maria. 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:08.480 I think Michael Jackson was not a fan of his 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:13.040 at the end of his career, but he's an amazing manually. 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:14.800 Those are the references that a lot of people know. 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:18.000 But he ran Sony and so you were linked up 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:21.839 with him. I was, and it was very strange how 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:25.840 it happened, and like really talk about it because he 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:29.120 just introduced me. He wasn't really part of my career 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:33.040 beyond um our initial meeting and him helping me make 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:36.280 network connections with James Stroud, who was one of the 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:38.960 producers on my first record, which he also then signed 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:43.280 you to Straddo Various, which was imprint under It was 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:46.440 under then R and J Records, So it wasn't an imprint, 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.959 it was Stroud's label. Okay, so is that the second 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:52.840 record though? Yes? So Tommy Matola introduced you to James Stroud? 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:55.960 How did that meaning happens? I want to know how 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.679 you got that room situation? How are you all all 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:02.840 in the same room? So I basically was writing from 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.079 an early age and performing. Are you in Nashville at 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:08.880 this point? Not yet? Not yet? Was at Clemson? You're 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:12.360 in college now, first record deal is done, hasn't happened, 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.079 So the timeline is Okay, you know, I'm being really confusing. 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.560 How sometimes when I think about it, I'm like, how 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.080 what order did this happen? Okay? So just yeah, to 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.839 break down the timeline. So I start playing with the 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:26.920 B Street Band, get connected with my investor. We haven't 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:31.040 struck a deal or a record deal or any formal 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.000 agreement on how we're going to do this. We're just like, 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:37.319 we're going to Nashville. Um before I make that move, 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:41.320 because I I am invested in my career at Clemson. 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:42.480 At that point, I was in the middle of my 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:46.719 sophomore year. Everyone from my family goes to college or 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:49.480 went to college. So the concept of leaving to go 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.920 to Nashville was a scary one and very unconventional. So 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:55.400 did you bail on Clemson? I did that piece out, 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.000 I said, peace out. But I wasn't going to just 0:10:58.120 --> 0:10:59.920 sling a guitar over my shoulder and be like I'm 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:02.360 own to Nashville with like a hobo stick. My parents 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:06.320 are like, you need to lay down a foundation of uh, 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.200 you know, where are you going to live, who are 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:10.640 you going to work with, what's the game plan? And 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:12.719 now we realized that you can do all of that 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:17.280 and grow it out the window. But good intentions there, ye, 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:21.520 Your plans in the music industry are like always laughable. 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:26.240 Ambition is not. So, you know, they knew that I was. 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.080 I felt then on doing this and if I was 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:34.240 going to deviate from the conventional path that most Potomac 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.880 natives follow, then I had to be serious about it. 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:42.720 So I was able to with my investor at the time, 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:47.840 my business partner, find a way to get to Tommy Mottola. 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:53.679 We found who knew someone who knew someone who basically 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:58.080 was he house next to Tommy and Aspen. It was 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:02.120 like seven degrees of separation and nothing really professional. Did 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:04.880 you like to or knock on his door? No, but 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:07.920 that would have been not past like the realm of 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.600 was he the goal? Was he the one you're wanting 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:13.120 to meet? He was the only one that we could 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.280 even think of as a contact. And yes, he's way 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:17.680 high on the totem pole, but we were so far 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:22.520 removed from anyone within the industry. Just because we were 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:27.520 out writing and performing and gigging with this band doesn't 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:29.200 mean we had any idea what we were doing from 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:31.600 a business perspective. But I love that you're just fearless. Okay, 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:34.280 so you got seven degrees to Tommy Bitola. You finally 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:37.240 get there. I get some original music through to him 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:42.240 that I've recorded in some studio in New Jersey, and Tommy, 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:45.920 here's the potential in the vocals. And you were young 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.240 at this point. How it was a baby as eighteen, 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:51.480 not yet nineteen. So he hears it at eighteen. That's 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:54.360 a big deal for Tommy Batola to have some random 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.040 girl getting the music to him. He actually likes it. Yes, 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:00.280 And I'm I'm sure that there was like a political 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.600 pushed through with this contact of ours. It was like, no, 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:05.120 really listen to this, I know, just do me this favor. 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:08.520 But he liked it, and so we'll take it. That's amazing. 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:10.679 His assistant called me when I was on my way 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.120 to class, did you fall out the frame? I did. 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.720 I didn't go to class that day, I can imagine. 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:20.559 But it's such a small little piece of the journey. 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:26.000 I think that. Um, it's just it's like if I 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:28.200 thought that things were going to happen the way that 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:30.880 Tommy laid them out. Six months, You're going to release 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.320 a single, We're gonna put an album out. Like, none 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.719 of that happened. So he had a quick release for you. 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:40.400 He had big plans, but he really was not involved. 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:45.280 Made the connection with um James Stroud. So I'm gonna 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:49.120 link you up with James Stroud. Yes, Laura Stroud was 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:52.400 um part of the A and R department at Sony 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:57.160 when Tommy was involved with the Dixie Chicks. Okay, so okay, 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:02.400 and that's that's James's wife, Yes, not anymore, that was 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:05.880 his former wife at the time. Yeah, Um, I know, 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:09.199 it's crazy. I feel like it's good. We're putting it, 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:13.439 we're piecing it together. Yeah. So anyway, that was forever 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.800 and ever and ever ago I wish I could give 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.480 Tommy more credit, but he really didn't have anything more 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.960 to do with. But sometimes an introduction from someone like 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:25.240 that is a big I mean that goes a long way. Yes, 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:29.160 so James. Now I go from having no contacts in 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:33.840 Nashville to then all of a sudden having Laura Stroud 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:37.360 and James Stroud. Laura being such an amazing publisher, her 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:40.520 ear for a song. She taught me so much about 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:44.280 taste and what the difference between a good song and 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:48.960 a great song. That's awesome and valuable information. And the 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:53.800 funny thing is I went one way at a certain point, 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:57.760 she went another and we've connected now. Um And the 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:02.280 weirdest way, I work with Marvel black Stock. He's my 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.000 manager now and he does Blake Shelton. He does Blake 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:09.280 Shelton and Kelly and Kelly Clarkson. Yes, good company. Yeah, 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:13.280 just one sorry Kelly Clarkson. No last name, no last 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.800 name needed really, there's not much of the last name needed, right, 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:22.480 And he is just very smart and patient. Love that 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:25.480 about him. I think that that's a testament to just 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:30.320 his He's a veteran of this industry, but he's also fresh. 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.240 His perspective and his son Brandon. I think they make 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:36.080 a great married to Kelly Clarkson. Yeah, that's right, so cute, 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.720 and it's just like two generations coming together. And my 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.760 husband works at Starstruck. Now. Great is that he has 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.760 someone to now be a buffer between us because he 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:49.680 was managing me in the interim when my last label folded, 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.680 so RPM. The last song I ever put out with 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:55.960 them was a Girl in Your Truck song, which I 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.720 love the writers of that song, but that was one 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.160 of those things where it was a great I didn't 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:07.040 feel like behind the the meaning of the song. I 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:10.440 thought it was a great, very way hit to all 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.160 this other stuff that I was about to release. And 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:16.880 then unfortunately it was like that time where you had 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:20.720 to be, you know, either probro country, pro traditional and 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:22.640 there's nothing in between. And I'm like, this is not 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:26.200 how we operate. That's not how music is. And um, 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:31.720 it's unfortunate that so many people identify artists now based 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:36.560 on one single or one right and you know, I 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:40.720 think you are a musician and you're married to a musician. 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:44.000 You know that there's a lot of depth that you 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:47.920 wish you could see. It's just people's attention spans are 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.720 we're trained to be like used to listening to music 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:54.960 that way. So that's sort of like a way long 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.160 answer to get back to the Variety show. And also 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:59.680 also though Laura, So how did you reconnect with Laura 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:03.320 st Out? Well, Laura and I have always just been 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.800 really good friends, and I felt like I was at 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:10.320 it this time whereas being creative and writing all these songs, 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:13.280 and I wanted her opinion as a publisher and someone 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:17.359 who you know, really taught me how to hear a 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:20.320 good song. And I reached back out to her and 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:21.960 this guy was at dinner with her and it was 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.120 Marvel because she and James had split in a very 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:29.000 amicable way, but she and Marvel were together, so I 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:32.000 was almost like, this is Marvel. Better be good to her, Like, 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.480 you know, you've been in this guy's great but you know, 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:40.560 Laura was my girl, and um, even now since we've 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.800 been working together, she's so respectful of what he does 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.679 and what I do. But she's also one of the 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.639 smartest people ever. So how crazy that you worked with 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.480 her for your first real I guess record to Astrato 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:55.520 Various and now you're working with her again in a 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.560 totally different situation. I mean, we're with Marvel your manager. 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:03.080 Wasn't that crazy? It's crazy. She's absolutely meant to be 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:07.200 in my life, and I feel like her opinion is 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.920 valuable to me now as it ever was. But um, 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:14.440 she really was my She helped me in my most 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:18.679 developmental stages early on. And then I think that my 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:22.800 last two years of being a totally independent artist have 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:28.840 also been like times of tough growth but freedom that 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:32.200 it's I've been able to sort of surprise myself. It's 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:34.360 been really cool. And that's whether Variety Show came out 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:36.399 of okay. But before I get there, so then you 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:40.040 meet Tommy Mottola introduces you to James Stroud. So now 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:43.960 is that one record together? Your investor with James Stroud? 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:46.320 Are you straight on shroud of Various? His label? How 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:49.280 does that happen? I was first signed a universal Republic 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:52.480 with the Singles deal, and that was orchestrated by Tommy 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:56.439 and Doug Morris. But I was working with staff that 0:18:56.520 --> 0:19:00.600 was about to be Republic Nashville here and also people 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:03.159 out of New York. It was not a good it 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:09.199 was not effective. It was exciting, but back on himself 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:11.760 and I'm like, I've had record deals. I probably wouldn't 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:15.200 have taken that one today. And I don't think that 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:18.280 my investor Tom would have taken it either, because so 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.840 he was investing with the Universal. No, we were just 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:26.679 there was the potential for his investment after they eventually 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:29.000 got him to invest. So it was just like this, 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:34.000 and I believe moving forward, like people need to have 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:36.760 skin in the game. If you're going to team up 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:41.480 with anyone, then there's got to be a mutual sacrifice, 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:47.840 mean either financial or or passionate about what you're doing 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:52.280 or your reputation on the line. I mean, you're asking 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:56.879 so much of both people, the artist and the team 0:19:56.920 --> 0:20:00.000 to get behind it and share it with the world, 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.480 get it to the world that I don't think I'll 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:06.639 ever be in a situation where I was, you know, 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:10.040 having to put all the investment in and invest in 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:15.399 like of my time and my my life and my heart. 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.280 It's like, I think I just heard a little too much. 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:22.119 I felt a little too much for a while. Okay, 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:24.480 so you'll put out you somebody though, that was the 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:26.600 Kings of Leon song. How did you decide to cover 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:29.360 that song? I didn't. I was told to do that. 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:33.400 It's not thank you, But I think it was one 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:35.760 of those things that I had another song ready to go, 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:39.159 and if I wasn't going to get to do that, 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:42.160 I was gonna do my damnedest to make this opportunity 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:46.560 sound the best that it could. Because listen, it's not 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:48.320 oh poor me. I got a deal and I had 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:50.479 to do a different song than I was going to do. 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:53.680 I still had an opportunity that a lot of people 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:56.240 wish that they could have gotten a lot of artists 0:20:56.280 --> 0:21:00.400 out there who would make be patient with the process, 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.480 you know, hope that you do something and you get 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:07.080 to do what you really want later. That something I 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:12.199 think every artist can buy into at one point in 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:16.280 their career, and sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. Okay, 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:17.840 so that comes out, and then what happened after you? 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:21.040 Somebody came out. So then I think I could just 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:27.640 basically condense the following three years into, you know, just 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:32.040 one indie label from the next. And it was a 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:34.959 tumultous time in Nashville, and it only got worse. But 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:37.399 why didn't I get worse? Just so I think indie 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:41.960 labels they weren't really able to get artists up the 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:44.600 charts like they couldn't can now I feel like, do 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:46.840 you kind of feel that way? Um? Yeah? I think 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:50.000 it was extremely political. It continues to be a little bit. 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:53.040 But I also think that there are people out there, 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:57.679 taste makers, who are exposing people who wouldn't necessarily be 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:00.200 up on that pedestal that they would be on if 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:04.040 they were the chosen one at a major label. Absolutely, 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:06.920 and like some heavy hit or radio people like John 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:09.040 Marks is doing that with serious and John Marx is 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:12.959 amazing to me. I think John Marks was someone who 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:15.840 and he continues to be at Spotify, but he just 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:18.960 played a song. The criteria was does he like it 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:22.560 or not? It wasn't oh all the other bullshit that 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:26.320 goes into like every decision that you know, like a 0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:29.119 radio station would have to make where their hands were tied. 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:32.359 And I think even the most influential people at radio 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:35.480 probably hate a lot of things about the system totally. 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:38.920 They get crucified for it. It's like every business is 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:41.879 going to have those drawbacks. Does that mean they're going 0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:45.000 to stop making music? No way. It's like, Okay, that 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:48.520 sucks about that, but I'm sure that it will work 0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:52.879 in my favor someday and then it's like whatever. So 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:57.399 at some point you were Margaret Duranti and then you 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:01.359 had a big change and he swayed and you re emerged. 0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:04.080 Now I just keep as Maggie Rose though, and you 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:05.920 came out with a new song, I Ain't Your Mama. 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:08.800 So that was in the middle of all the indie deals. Yes, 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:13.119