1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha, and welcome to Stephen 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: never told you protective of iHeart Radio. 3 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 2: And welcome to another Monday, Minnie. That is gonna be annoying. 4 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 2: I don't know ilse to say this, So before we 5 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 2: get into the meat of this conversation, please note this 6 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 2: is not because we're gonna be referencing like a generation 7 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: of the baby boomers or the boomers, and we're also 8 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 2: gonna talk about white women because this is very personal 9 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: to me, not that I'm a boomer or a white woman, but. 10 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 3: That I have a lot of people who are and such. 11 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 2: But in fact I know that people the people we 12 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: are talking about, we'll probably never hear this, and the 13 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: majority of our listeners are tired of talking about this. 14 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: But again, this is something that I needed to vent 15 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: and think through because if you're from Georgia, if you 16 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 2: were raised in North Georgia, then you probably have had 17 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: an influx of boomer women, white women telling you why 18 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 2: you were wrong. Because, as we've noted, people who have 19 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 2: voted for Donald Trump or who would consider themselves MAGA 20 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: really really feel like he's doing a great job. The 21 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 2: amount of like people who refuse to say anything's different 22 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 2: or wrong is unnerving, but just you know, just so 23 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:34,919 Speaker 2: that we know. 24 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 3: Who we're talking about and why we're talking about it. 25 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: Again, This is very much in line with the fact 26 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 2: that I had a very disappointing conversation with a family 27 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: member and I needed to dissect it again. We kind 28 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: of referenced this before on my happy hour previous happy 29 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: hour and like how to kind of maintain relationships in 30 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: this time. So we're going to kind of get into 31 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: the meat of why. That was a big part of 32 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: my conversations. So I want to tell you exactly the scenario. 33 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: So at a recent visit, we were in the middle 34 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: of discussing someone's dating life, in which my response was 35 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: that they probably should not jump into anything too quickly 36 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 2: and it would be good to be single for a while. 37 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 2: So who I'm talking about is a man, because I 38 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 2: feel like that needs to be obviously referenced, in which 39 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: I was like, they probably need to be single, going 40 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: through really a lot of failed relationships in the past 41 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 2: twenty years and just being like, hey, it's probably good 42 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: to be single. And I say this as a person 43 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 2: who was single most of my adult life until recently 44 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: and realized very further and long further along in my 45 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: adult journey that being single was not a curse. That's 46 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: in fact, I was okay with that, and I learned that, hey, 47 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: it's not a bad thing, and as great as my 48 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 2: relationship is now because it is and we do handle things, 49 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 2: I think pretty well for the most part, knowing that 50 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 2: if for some reason, and I'm not saying there's anything wrong, 51 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 2: but if some reason that. 52 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: We were to break up or anything, I would be okay. 53 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 2: Also the fact that I would not want to get 54 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 2: back up a dating pool because that dating pool looks. 55 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 3: Horrible. 56 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, going back to that, all of that, so 57 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 2: I just reference made of sweeping comment kind of that, 58 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: and it seemed to really push the button. The family 59 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: member's defense for that person was this, do you know 60 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 2: why the Lord created women? So that's how I was like, Oh, all, 61 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: I said, at heded to be single, I don't know 62 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 2: what's happening, And yes, this felt like a trap, so 63 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: I hesitated, to which they responded with no, no, really, 64 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: do you know why? And I needed this to be 65 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: This is a public restaurant with several people around us 66 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: that were having a different conversation, so there was no 67 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: need for this because because like the way that even 68 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 2: given the conversation came up was the fact that other 69 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: people at the table were talking about this person's dating 70 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 2: life and how he had fallen into another one that 71 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 2: looked really suss. Everybody was like, what are you doing? 72 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 2: What's the beginning of this conversation too so and I 73 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, I don't know why. And 74 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: they responded with the to be helpers to men, to 75 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: assist and be there for men men were lonely and 76 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 2: needed a mate. Of course, my immediate response was, huh, well, 77 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 2: I don't think that's the thing. Being me trying to 78 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 2: figure out how to de escalate this moment as well 79 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 2: as get out of this moment because we're about to 80 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: have an argument, and again the defensive myth came out 81 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 2: and they responded with no, yes, this is the reason really, 82 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: and of course I was like, I can't do this. 83 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 3: This is going to be bad. 84 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: My response was to shut it down and reminded that 85 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 2: this person, that this one person was jumping into relationships 86 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: and have many failed relationships which formed detachments that are 87 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 2: no longer around, which did shut down the conversation. But 88 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: this unwarranted response really had me spiraling. It's been a 89 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 2: week or so, a couple of weeks, and I'm still 90 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: thinking about this conversation because I'm like why and with 91 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 2: this I want and I need to think about. I 92 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 2: went down like why why would we wh why would 93 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 2: they bring this up? This is such a weird topic. 94 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 2: And it was a woman obviously, and it just it's 95 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:21,679 Speaker 2: like it came. 96 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 3: Out of nowhere. 97 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,799 Speaker 2: We were all kind of like laughing about not laughing 98 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 2: at them, but like laughing at the scenario that it 99 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 2: has caused. And they were like, oh, Samantha, you need 100 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: to know this, you need to hear this. You won't 101 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 2: believe this type of case. So I was like, what, why? Why? 102 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 3: How did we jump into that? 103 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 2: And then I started really thinking about how the information 104 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 2: has come along and like social media and my fear 105 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: of like older generations getting onto social media is already 106 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: bad enough on hearing the news when we talk about 107 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 2: Fox or a news nation and all those things, and 108 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: I'm like ooh or Max Newsmax rather and I was thinking, 109 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 2: so what is this boomer generation hearing when it comes 110 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 2: to the minisphere and red pill ideology? So of course 111 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 2: I have to do the sminty thing and start trying 112 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 2: to find research. Right, Ay, this is what we do now, right, 113 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 2: this is how we think now, And unfortunately it doesn't 114 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: seem to be a lot out there. I did see 115 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: a few things about them saying that the red pill 116 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 2: thing is good and as a reminder, you know, a 117 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 2: red pill like I'm a submit ips like comes back 118 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 2: from the red pill blue pill ideal with the matrix 119 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: and taking the red pills and unlock and show you 120 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: the truth. 121 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 3: But like raging radical. 122 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: Misogynists took that over as being like, no, let me 123 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: show you the conspiracy theories about how feminism is killing 124 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 2: children in life in general, like generalization right there. But 125 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 2: essentially it's kind of that level, and the red pill 126 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: led into like tradwives and led into like hegemonic femininity, 127 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 2: which we're going to talk about at the end. Because 128 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 2: I was like, that's a great phrase, all of that, 129 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: but with all that, they were talking about it as 130 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: if it's a good thing, so I was very hesitant 131 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 2: to click on that. One of those happened to be 132 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 2: I think an episode on a podcast and the title 133 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: of it is Boomer red Pill, in that when they 134 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: were listening off different subjects. So they kind of tackle it, 135 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 2: says the Antichrist takeover of the Democratic but they put 136 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: demonic cratic, so they put the Eni. Let you know who, 137 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: the Democrats are party by the new Left, So I 138 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 2: think we know what that's about. And I was not 139 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: about to waste my time nor give a. 140 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 3: Click to that. 141 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: Of course, there's a lot that we have talked about 142 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: when it comes to women, red Pill and a Manisphere, 143 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: including different episodes about tradwives and just this recent episode 144 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: with Bridget and it's easy to see that those from 145 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,679 Speaker 2: that generation, from that boomer generation, are probably primed for 146 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: this more conservative ideals of tradwives and red Pills and manisphere. 147 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 2: The generation that was taught that the nuclear family is 148 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 2: the ultimate goal and anything less than that, less than perfect, 149 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: means failing. So having the perfect house, having the perfect 150 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: baked pie, like all of that level, I mean, really 151 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: like the apron baked pie. You know what I'm talking 152 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: about is exactly what the red Pill in Manusfield look 153 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 2: at as the good old days, So that is what 154 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: they're talking about. But coming back to the Golden age essentially, 155 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 2: so it isn't surprising to see that after years of progress, 156 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: and change. Some of the boom moves are really relieved 157 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: to see this familiarity, this nuclear family coming back on 158 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 2: board as the new Yes, this is the new trend 159 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: we need to be on And here are some thoughts 160 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 2: from therapists dot com about it. Quote Silent generation parents 161 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: which apparently are the generation before the Boomers, and I 162 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 2: didn't think about that. I was like, oh, yeah, that 163 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 2: makes sense. The baby Boomers often with strict rules, high expectations, 164 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 2: and less warmth and affection. We now know that strict 165 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 2: authoritarian parenting style is linked to children developing anxiety, low 166 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 2: self esteem, and social difficulties later in life. Many boomers 167 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 2: grew up in a time of economic prosperity and social 168 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 2: change with the rise of consumerism and the influence of television. 169 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: They experienced significant cultural events like the Cold War, the 170 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 2: civil rights movements, and the rise of rock and roll. 171 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 2: These experiences shape their values, attitudes, and perspectives of life, work, 172 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 2: and family. As they entered adulthood, Baby Boomers often prioritized 173 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: career success and material wealth. They were known for their 174 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: strong work ethic and competitive drive. However, this focus on 175 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 2: achievement also led to high levels of stress and burnout 176 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 2: for some. So that level of like is such an 177 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: interesting dichotomy that they grew up in such a progressive era, 178 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 2: which we wouldn't even think is progressive because we're still 179 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 2: finding that same, but that so many people have such 180 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: harsh pushbacks. And I'm saying that in the perspective again 181 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: of the South, old South white Appalachia families. Old South, 182 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: and I say applation because that's close to us, but 183 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 2: old Southern areas where segregation was prevalent until pretty much 184 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 2: now honestly sundowntown still exists. And to add to that, 185 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 2: some statistics from the site, and I thought that we 186 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 2: very interesting because it does I think it kind of 187 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 2: points to yeah, this makes sense. So they say they 188 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 2: make up a large portion of the population. This is 189 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: from twenty twenty four. Baby Boomers were the largest generation 190 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 2: in the US until Millennials surpass them in number. Data 191 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 2: from the twenty twenty census shows us that there are 192 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 2: approximately seventy three million baby boomers in the US. US 193 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: Census Bureau data from twenty nineteen shows baby boomers make 194 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: up approximately twenty two percent of the population. They're less 195 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 2: diverse than the overall population. According to the twenty fifteen Census, 196 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: seventy five percent of baby boomers are white, which was 197 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: interesting to me. Seventy five percent of the baby boomers 198 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 2: are white, they held more traditional gender identities. Baby Boomers 199 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 2: have seen the transformation from the solent generation traditional values 200 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: to the more progressive attitudes of Generation X millennials and 201 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 2: Gen Z. A recent poll shows that the lgbtqia plus 202 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 2: identification goes up with each younger generation. Of the baby 203 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: boomer generation, only two point six identified as lgbdqia plus 204 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 2: compared to the twenty point eight of Gen Z. Of course, 205 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 2: there's a lot of conversations about coming out and who 206 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 2: felt they could and who have died before they could. 207 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: That was also added into but that is something to 208 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 2: know because yes, they also fear coming out. Still, their 209 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 2: views on sexuality are still evolving. A twenty eighteen p 210 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 2: Research Center survey found that only twenty seven percent of 211 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 2: boomer's believe same sex marriage benefits society. On the other hand, 212 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 2: thirty two percent think it's detrimental and forty percent it 213 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 2: has no impact. Only twelve percent personally knows someone who 214 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: uses gender neutral pronouns. Why should that so random? Statistic 215 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 2: to put in but you know that makes sense too, right, 216 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: maybe because just because they don't want to tell them 217 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: who knows. Also, it says less than a quarter of 218 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 2: them pursued higher education. Only twenty two percent of boomer 219 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 2: men and twenty percent of boomer women completed at least 220 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 2: four years of college education. And then they talk about 221 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 2: the wealth. That's well, that they had a lot of wealth. 222 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 3: So it goes on. 223 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 2: They played a significant role in shaping the modern American 224 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 2: economy in suburban's expansion, Baby boo boomers have controlled more 225 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: than fifty percent of households wealth in the US since 226 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 2: two thousand and eight. And that's according to Federal Reserve data. Okay, 227 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 2: so looking at some of those stats, and in this conversation, 228 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 2: of course, this is that same conversation that millennials and 229 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 2: now gen zers are having about like, no, we could 230 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 2: not afford a house like you could. Interest rates has 231 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 2: gone up thanks to Reagan, we have lost control of 232 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 2: being able to get money in any way or any 233 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 2: kind of infrastructure like you have made sure to vote 234 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 2: this way in order that the rest of us cannot 235 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 2: have what you had. So the amount of wealth that 236 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 2: went to anybody. 237 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 3: Was to you. 238 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 2: And then you took it away with this bullshit about 239 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: trickle down economy. But again, this is that level of like, Okay, 240 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 2: this makes sense as to some boomers, especially from the South, 241 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 2: especially white people, have always been on the side of 242 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: red pill, that modern idea that if we just do 243 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 2: it this way like the old days, you can be 244 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 2: successful without acknowledging everything else that went terribly wrong. So 245 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 2: with looking at these statistics as well as their upbringing 246 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 2: and idealization of the past, it's not too hard to 247 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 2: understand that boomer generation may be more more than willing 248 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 2: to push that narrative. Like they they've done well. They've 249 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 2: done well in this level of what they thought was 250 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 2: good days, and white women specifically have always been the 251 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 2: backbone of many of the movements we've talked about those 252 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 2: for all the movements, including white supremacist movements. Here's something 253 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 2: from red Pill Women, Heterosexual Fantasies and Misogynistic Spaces by 254 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 2: Pauline Hobanks and y'all her paper. Y'all should go read it. 255 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 2: It's very long, but it hits on a lot of things. 256 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 2: She writes, women's involvement in conservative and white supremacist movement 257 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: is far from new in fact, white women have historically 258 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 2: played pivotal roles in these ideologies long before the advent 259 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 2: of contemporary social media. The historical roots of women's involvement 260 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 2: in white supremacists and conservative movements in America has been 261 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: documented in movements such as anti suffragism, the resistance the 262 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: Equal Rights Amendment, and the klu Klux Klan, in which 263 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,239 Speaker 2: women played key roles in organizing, recruiting, and disseminating ideas. 264 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: Some of these movements, such as the KKK, excluded women 265 00:14:55,240 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: from men's groups. However, as Bushetta and Power to researchers note, 266 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: these exclusions allow them to construct their own discourses and 267 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 2: practices independently challenging gender power dynamics. Women's involvement in the 268 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: menisphere and online anti feminist movements is therefore a contemporary 269 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 2: extension of the longstanding historical pattern of white women's active 270 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 2: participation in right wing and white supremacist movements. Okay, so 271 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not gonna break that down because i 272 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 2: feel like that's self explanatory, and we've talked about this 273 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 2: many times and again, I'm not saying all white women, 274 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: but this does explain to me a lot more in 275 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 2: this conversation about the white women in my life, not 276 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: you any of course, and many of those that I 277 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 2: know that are not in the Moon generation, but those 278 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: that who have taught me and at in this level 279 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: of like, why would you do this? This doesn't help you, 280 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 2: this doesn't empower you. Are you truly happy? In so 281 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 2: many so much contact, and Bridget does a wonderful job 282 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: talking about the influence of white women in the conversations 283 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: like these as well as in our recent episode about 284 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 2: the ev magazine. So you should definitely listen to that 285 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: because we are talking about how powerful these types of 286 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: conversations are. And then when it comes to white women 287 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 2: specifically who play leaderships in these roles even though they're 288 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 2: not supposed to play leadership in these roles. And so 289 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 2: to kind of backtrack on that story, after that conversation, 290 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: it was obvious that we were all uncomfortable, and I 291 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: walked away going, yeah, so I'm not coming home anytime soon. 292 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: But then obviously weighed on them as well. So they 293 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: sent me a text with a video link about trying 294 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: to explain this to me, and now the video in itself, 295 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 2: I have had this conversation as a Christian when I 296 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 2: was way back when about how if someone representing you 297 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 2: this kind of is that ideal, if someone representing you 298 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 2: actually does represent your ideals, that you don't have to 299 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 2: be the forefront leader in that. So that's wonderful in 300 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 2: that idea that men, if they are truly godly men, 301 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: as they would say, they would actually do for the 302 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 2: benefit of everyone, and you being a helper and being 303 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 2: behind him and you know, pushing him on and great, 304 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 2: all good and well. So that kind of narrative was like, Okay, 305 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 2: I kind of see what you're saying, and they said, 306 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 2: I don't think I explained this right, and I used 307 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 2: the wrong words in their response. But then as I 308 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 2: looked to the page that they sent me to, it 309 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 2: had very right winged, misogynistic content at below. Also, they 310 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 2: were tokenizing I believe a Muslim woman as to agreeing 311 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 2: with some of these and I don't think it's hard. 312 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 2: I think they just like aied her or like copy 313 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 2: pastes from a different page to make it look like 314 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 2: she was agreeing with all the content on there. That 315 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 2: I was like, are you trying to show your diverse? 316 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 2: Are you trying to partel like you're showing your diversity 317 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 2: in this when you also have right wing people who 318 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: are talking about, you know, women don't have orgasms, they 319 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 2: only have sex to have children and police men. You're like, 320 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 2: what is this? So again, this is where I was like, yeah, 321 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 2: so I was correct. She is getting some information from 322 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 2: very right winged conservative ideas that would be considered a 323 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 2: part of the manisphere or red pills. And I want 324 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 2: to go on to another bit from Hopeanks. How she 325 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 2: talks about hegemonic femininity, as I mentioned earlier, so unlike Connall's, 326 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 2: so she has obviously a lot of research in this paper. 327 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 2: So I'm going to name some of the things and 328 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 2: you can go back to look at her paper as 329 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, But unlike Connall's nineteen eighty seven emphasized femininity, 330 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 2: which is largely about compliance. Hamilton argue that hegemonic femininity 331 00:18:55,320 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 2: involves active participation in upholding not just gender inequality, but 332 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 2: also other access of domination such as race and class, 333 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 2: which is what we're talking about. Intersectionality, I guess, discrimination. 334 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: Level, yeah, intersexual discrimination. 335 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess. 336 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: Oh. 337 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 2: So they continue on. Hamilton defined hegemonic femininities as the 338 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: most celebrated cultural ideals of womanhood in a given time 339 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 2: and place that serve to uphold and legitimate all axes 340 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 2: of oppression in the matrix of domination. Simultaneously and again 341 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 2: goes on. Women who embody hegemonic femininity benefit from the 342 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 2: femininity premium individual advantages over other women, as well as 343 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 2: collective benefits derived from their privileged positions within other systems 344 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 2: of dominations, such as whiteness and class privilege. In Western 345 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: society's femininity premiums might include access to privileged partners and 346 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 2: the ability to enforce standards of sexual respectability over subordinate femininities. 347 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 2: And lastly, the pursuit of hegemonic femininity, despite its detrimental 348 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 2: effects on women as a group, can be understood as 349 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 2: strategic bargain that offers specific women personal advantages, which, compounded 350 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 2: with the collective class and race benefits from which they 351 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 2: may already benefit, contribute to intersectional domination. Hamilton argue that 352 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 2: these women are not cultural dopes, but instead actors strategically 353 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 2: navigating for an advantage. Okay, so this would be the 354 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 2: prime of what we were trying to talk about with 355 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 2: ev magazine, which is owned by a woman who says 356 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,959 Speaker 2: women should not be leaders or CEOs, but is CEO 357 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 2: of our own company? 358 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I think that's like hit the 359 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: nail on the head of a lot of what we've 360 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: been talking about, especially with Bridget because even Candice Owens 361 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: it narrowed in on here's this business side can make 362 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: money from. So I do think like, sometimes it is 363 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: completely internalized. Sometimes it's a completely understood strategic choice. Sometimes 364 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: it's both. But I do think like people know, oh 365 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: I could I will really benefit from this privilege, this privilege, 366 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: this privilege. 367 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 2: I mean, I hate the word, but this would be 368 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: in today's terms, the ultimate pick me mm hmmm, in 369 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 2: that every way, knowing that they've got these advantages and 370 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 2: if they can at least submit to the most powerful, 371 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: they'll be second most powerful and that's good enough. But again, 372 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 2: this whole is there's so much to be said about 373 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 2: this article or this paper written by Home Banks, which 374 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 2: thank you, because it's an amazing paper. Obviously I've just 375 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: gotten to the like meat of it. Well again, we 376 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 2: probably need to cut. We do need to come back 377 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 2: and do a whole episode about this idea of hegemonic 378 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 2: huminity and what it represents and why it's so dangerous. Again, 379 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 2: as I was saying earlier, women are really the backbone 380 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 2: of all these movements. I don't think it could have 381 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 2: I don't think it could be as powerful as it 382 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 2: was if it weren't for other women. Like Moms for 383 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 2: Liberty really did a number in what we see today. 384 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 2: And it turns out she's gone through a whole The 385 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 2: founder is going through a whole thing, and no one 386 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 2: cares because it's kind of taken in the life of 387 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 2: its own. But with these two combining factors from what 388 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 2: I'm seeing with the baby boomer generation and the idea 389 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 2: of hegemonic huminity, it isn't too hard to see how 390 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 2: easily these narrative is adopted by that generation. Again, they 391 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 2: were pried for it when we talked about like trilla 392 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 2: ways and like celibate culture, all of these It is 393 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 2: based on these old school ideas way back when when 394 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 2: we talk about the beginning of like anti abortion moves, 395 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 2: it wasn't until the fifties sixty seventies that really came 396 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 2: out as like wait, what, why do you care? 397 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 3: Now? 398 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 2: What's happening? So there's a lot of levels to this thing. 399 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 2: And even though I could not find it because again 400 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 2: it may just be oxy moron to say that is 401 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 2: the minisphere of influence, But I've seen the difference, and 402 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 2: I've talked about this with you, ay, and I've talked 403 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 2: about this with my partner and other people, the difference 404 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 2: of where some of my family members were ten years 405 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 2: ago versus today, and the hope I had of like 406 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 2: things changing and at least them being compassionate and empathetic 407 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 2: to this again that. 408 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, yeah, we're not gonna talk for. 409 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: A while, Like I'm gonna need a break because this 410 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: is dangerous points where like we're gonna end up ruining 411 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 2: the relationship. But it never like I will always be 412 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 2: there for my family, of course, no matter what. But 413 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 2: there are gonna be things that I no longer trust you, 414 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 2: and I stopped trusting you for a while on some 415 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 2: of these things. And these are like, because you will 416 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 2: not hear me when I say I am petrified for 417 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 2: my well being because of these things that you have 418 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 2: voted for. And then the fact that you really don't 419 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 2: see as a big deal because at least you're getting 420 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 2: yours is what your thoughts are, and at least it's 421 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: not you like without hearing me. But all of that 422 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 2: to say, and then putting that cap on with but no, 423 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 2: this is the better, this is why it's better, and 424 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 2: then bring in these theories that have been regurgitated now 425 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 2: and now welcomed. 426 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 3: It's the thing. 427 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 2: But yeah, so I, like I said, I was having 428 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 2: trouble and finding a lot of information, especially if like generationally, 429 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 2: if it's different and how well we've talked about like 430 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 2: the older generation is being really susceptible to misinformation disinformation, 431 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 2: but we are not talking about it as much as 432 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 2: we've talked about like the younger generation, because that's all 433 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 2: like it's very obvious. 434 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 3: We talked about like. 435 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 2: The young kids, the young gen z men being really 436 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 2: disappointing in that they're listening to people like Joe Rogan 437 00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 2: and the suche and Charlie Kirk who's on that on 438 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 2: that page that she said me but like stuff like that, 439 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 2: that is the reaction, Yes, that is the correct reaction. 440 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 2: But a lot of these things like it's concerning and 441 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 2: I hate that. That's how I see them a lot 442 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 2: of the older generations. 443 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 3: I'm like, you. 444 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 2: Love so hard, but of course it seems like you 445 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 2: hate just as hard. You just don't call it hate. 446 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 2: You now call it like Bible or religion, and that's 447 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 2: really disappointing. But yeah, if y'all have something, if you 448 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 2: know things, let me know if you have experiences. I know, 449 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 2: like I said, our listeners are like, that's not me. 450 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 2: I know, we know it's not you. I've gotten but 451 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 2: just like, okay, you do you. But like most of 452 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,239 Speaker 2: the people who have ever commented or talked to us 453 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 2: of like the amount. 454 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 3: Of like. 455 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 2: Hope I get from those are amazing, so please send 456 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 2: us that. So obviously we're not talking about that, but 457 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 2: then general like as I'm looking at the world around 458 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 2: us on what how this has become such an okay 459 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 2: standard and trying to figure out at one point, how 460 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 2: do we go backwards? Because we were moving nicely forward 461 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden we backtracked and it's 462 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 2: like what just happened? 463 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and we know so many of you listeners 464 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: unfortunately can relate, but fortunately we can provide solace for 465 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: each other, hope for each other, or whatever it is. 466 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: If you would like to emails, you can our emails 467 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: hello at Stuffnever Told You dot com. You can find 468 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: us on Blue Sky, at momstera podcast, or Instagram and 469 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 1: Tic Doot at stuff I've Never Told You. 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