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Speaker 2: Hi, everyone, welcome back to Facing Evil. I'm Roscha Pacerrero.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Yvette Genteeley, and today we're talking about the

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Speaker 3: case of Dorothy Stratton. Y'all might know about this one

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Speaker 3: because it was a big story when it happened back

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Speaker 2: Yes, I remember this case. Dorothy's case even inspired multiple movies,

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Speaker 2: including the nineteen eighty one movie Death of a Centerfold

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Speaker 2: The Dorothy Stratton Story, starring Jamie Lee Curtis, and there

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Speaker 2: were also numerous songs that were written about the case,

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Speaker 2: including Californication by the Hot Chili Pepper's personal favorite of

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Speaker 2: mine and the Best Was Yet to Come by Brian Adams.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I so remember all those songs. But we also have

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Speaker 3: to remember that Dorothy, she was an actress and a

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Speaker 3: playboy motto who dealt with abuse at the hands of

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Speaker 3: her controlling husband, who she was estranged from at the time,

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Speaker 3: and sadly, the story ends in her tragic murder.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, heartbreaking. And today we want to use Dorothy's story

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Speaker 2: as a jumping off point to talk about intimate partner

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Speaker 2: violence and why it's so prevalent. But first our producer

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Speaker 2: Trevor is going to take us through today's case.

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Speaker 1: After catching the eye of iconic mogul Hugh Hefner, she

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Speaker 3: She never felt that there was any danger in anything

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Speaker 3: with Paul Sneyer. He pushed her to marry him. She

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Speaker 2: She was the meal ticket, but he was afraid that

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Speaker 4: She did.

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Speaker 1: Dorothy Stratton was a twenty year old actress and playboy

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Speaker 1: model who was killed by her husband in nineteen eighty

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Speaker 1: and while in high school, she met a man named

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Speaker 1: Paul Snyder. Snyder was a successful promoter for car shows,

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Speaker 1: but he soon took to less than legitimate ways to

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Speaker 1: Snyder had a professional photographer take nude photos of then

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Speaker 1: eighteen year old Dorothy and send them to Playboy for

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Speaker 1: the Great Playmate Hunt of nineteen seventy eight. Dorothy was

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Speaker 1: chosen as a finalist, and so she and Paul Snyder

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Speaker 1: moved together to Los Angeles, California. The following year, they

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Speaker 1: Buck Rogers. Meanwhile, Snyder became her chauffeur, manager, and acting coach.

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Speaker 1: The two reportedly argued daily, often leading to verbal and

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Speaker 3: Well, welcome back to Facing Evil.

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Speaker 2: So the issue of intimate partner abuse, of course, is

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Speaker 2: our podcast, and Dorothy Stratton is just one of millions

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Speaker 2: that is doctor Junkog Cho, and doctor Cho is an

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Speaker 2: He's published numerous studies and journals on the issues of

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. It's my great pleasure.

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Speaker 3: N thank you so much, doctor Choe for being here.

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Speaker 3: We're going to start. First of all, if you could

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Speaker 3: tell us how you got into this work, you know,

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Speaker 4: Yes, I can share some of my stories. So probably

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Speaker 4: it was not that uncommon in Korea at the time,

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Speaker 4: Like seeing like a drunken, angry man dragging around seeing

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Speaker 4: remember like any person actually stepped in to stop it.

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Speaker 4: more reasten to one is like them. A couple of

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Speaker 4: their experiences of their like hit by their partners or

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Speaker 4: the topic. And I wrote my destination about it.

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Speaker 3: Wow, so it was very personal to you, starting from

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes it is.

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Speaker 2: I'm thankful for you because I've never had the opportunity

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Speaker 2: expert of any kind on abuse. And I know that

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Speaker 2: intimate partner violence doesn't only happen between couples, right like

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Speaker 2: it happens whether you know a parent is abusing a

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Speaker 4: Right, right, So you are correct when you mentioned like

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Speaker 4: Another theory may be based on like the some gruel

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Speaker 2: So so beautiful, you have laid it all out for us,

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Speaker 4: fight against it. Are really grateful for you to do

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Speaker 5: Oh exactly why we're doing this.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Oh my gosh, thank you so much, Thank you

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Speaker 3: so much.

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Speaker 4: It's a mygret pleasure. I hope to see you again.

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Speaker 2: For today's message of hope and healing. Our eymore goes

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Speaker 2: out to the right shining light of a human that

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Speaker 2: Dorothy Stratton was. Dorothy was kind, talented, loving, and a

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Speaker 3: We never got to see Dorothy blossom into her full potential,

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Speaker 3: but the beauty and the raw talent she shared with

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Speaker 3: the world will linger on forever.

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Speaker 2: The light in the darkness of Dorothy's story has inspired

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Speaker 2: so many other survivors of domestic violence to finally break free.

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Speaker 3: We want all who are suffering to be heard. We

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Speaker 3: should all follow the advice of the National Domestic Violence

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Speaker 3: Hot Life. If you see something, say something. Domestic violence

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Speaker 3: thrives in silence, and if you or someone you know

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Speaker 3: needs help, please call them at one eight hundred seven

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Speaker 3: ninety nine seven two three three, Onward and upward, Emua emua. Well,

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Speaker 3: that's our show for today.

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Speaker 2: We'd love to hear what you thought about today's discussion

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Speaker 2: and if there's a case you'd like for us to.

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Speaker 3: Cover, find us on social media or email us at

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Speaker 3: Facingevil pod at tenderfoot dot tv.

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Speaker 3: Until next time. Aloha.

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Speaker 1: The show is hosted by Russia, Paccuerero and Avet Gentile.

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