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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale LOLLI he is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and it is a it's now a sunny

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Speaker 2: Monday here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah's track and Pitts Day. Yeah, welcome back to Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: Yes you as well. You stayed a little longer than

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Speaker 3: I did. I hope everyone had a great Easter. We

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Speaker 3: were outside almost all easter Sunday. I didn't expect that

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Speaker 3: at all. And today's pretty darn nice too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually drove back. I flew down, my family

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Speaker 2: drove down to Orlando and then we spent a few

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Speaker 2: extra days there and drove back on Saturday and.

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Speaker 3: Got here and yeah, yeah, good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Weather down there was great.

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Speaker 3: The weather was great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the weather most of the way back was great.

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Speaker 3: Until you hit a little something at the end.

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Speaker 2: A storm right in West Virginia. Like as soon as

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Speaker 2: we crossed over the border, that hail and like.

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Speaker 3: Slight home and then all of a sudden it slowed

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Speaker 3: you down quite a bit. Huh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the lightning was going through the mountains, the lightning was.

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Speaker 3: Like, oh, really like lighting the sky up? Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 2: It was interesting.

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Speaker 3: I bet, I bet. Oh No, that was a good trip.

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Speaker 3: You know, I learned a lot. We had good times.

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Speaker 3: You know, I had some good conversations too, and there's

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Speaker 3: some luxurious things about it too, which is pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: And you know. So, yeah, travel for me wasn't tremendous either.

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Speaker 3: It's a spring break. Every every plane was shoulder to shoulder.

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Speaker 3: It took us forever to fly, but yeah, we got

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Speaker 3: it done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and got to see you know, and here a

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Speaker 2: lot of different stuff that affects the draft stuff. And

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Speaker 2: this is the time of year for the draft, big time.

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Speaker 2: That now that now that we're into April, Happy April

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Speaker 2: by the way, Happy, it's it's draft month. Now is

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Speaker 2: when you start to hear this guy has this or

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Speaker 2: that guy has that, or those little kind of things

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Speaker 2: that some of it you you can believe, some of

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Speaker 2: it you don't.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of lying season, that's for sure. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but it's also been a long process and some real

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Speaker 3: things do come out that's been kind of hidden or

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Speaker 3: under the scenes. You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So for example, I was somebody said something about

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Speaker 2: the the center prospect from Jackson Powers Johns Jackson Powers Johnson,

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Speaker 2: the same prospect from Oregon. Well he has this came out.

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Speaker 2: It was on Twitter the other day and I guess

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Speaker 2: it was Trey Essex that said it on somebody else's podcast,

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Speaker 2: And he has a head he's a head case or

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Speaker 2: a head problem. Well, concussions.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't mean he's got a bad noggin or he's

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Speaker 3: not a good guy. Yeah, but he has from what

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Speaker 3: I understand, he has concussion concerns. Yeah, you know, so

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Speaker 3: that could drop him on some boards and could not

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Speaker 3: on others.

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Speaker 2: Right, So those that I mean because the first thing

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Speaker 2: you hear, well he's good, he's got head issues. Okay,

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Speaker 2: it could be taking a lot of yeah, that kind

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Speaker 3: Can he not trust them? I mean? Or does he

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Speaker 3: have medical issues, which sounds like could be the case. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we don't know that one hundred percent, but

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Speaker 3: it's out there.

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Speaker 2: And you don't know how true that is. You don't

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Speaker 2: know if it's if it's a concern. That was honestly

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Speaker 2: one of the issues with Troy Polamalo. Oh really there

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Speaker 2: there were multiple concussions in college, you know, and and

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Speaker 2: you know he had a couple of you know, concussions

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Speaker 2: in the pro at the pro level as well, but

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Speaker 2: there were you know, did that cause him to fall

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Speaker 2: on some team's boards? Did it not? But it didn't

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Speaker 2: affect his career in a major way. Yes, he had

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Speaker 2: some concussions you know, at the pro level, but.

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Speaker 3: St was pretty happy with pick nonetheless. Right, yeah, right, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm not avoiding it at all. I just I always

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Speaker 3: make this very clear that you and I and we

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Speaker 3: don't know. Nobody knows, right, I mean, frankly, coach Tomlin

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Speaker 3: doesn't know, The offense coordinators don't know. The doctors know,

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Speaker 2: You have to trust your doctor.

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Speaker 3: You're smart. Yeah, the smart coaches and staffs will hire

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Speaker 3: those doctors for a reason. They went to med school

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Speaker 3: for a reason, and whatever they tell you you should trust.

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Speaker 3: You know, I will say.

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Speaker 2: When it comes to concussions, Yeah, Pittsburgh is like the

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Speaker 2: the Hub, the Hub Center, like Pete when when other

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Speaker 2: teams have concussion issues, they send their guys to the

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Speaker 2: Steelers team doctors for concussion. There's other doctors. Uh, obviously

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Speaker 2: that that handle, this guy does neees and that.

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Speaker 3: Guy shoulder guy yeah, all the quarterbacks go to this dude, or.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Pittsburgh's a concussion hub of the world, like other

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Speaker 2: teams other sports send their guys to Pittsburgh to get

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Speaker 2: checked out for concussion stuff.

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Speaker 3: That's a really interesting topic to me because I think

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Speaker 3: a lot of people just think a team doctor is

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Speaker 3: a team doctor, whether it's an Arizona, Chicago, New York, Seattle, whatever,

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Speaker 3: but their specialties just like anybody else. And I can't

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Speaker 3: stress enough that yes, these thirty two teams are all

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Speaker 3: NFL teams, but they're all thirty two different corporations that

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Speaker 3: handle things differently, that have other strengths and weaknesses. Some

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Speaker 3: of its geography, some of it's just you know, the

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Speaker 3: strength and conditioning staff or the fields or whatever. They're

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Speaker 3: all different and some have a really strong history with

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Speaker 3: I think we threw this out there last week. The

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Speaker 3: running back for the from the Longhorns from.

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Speaker 3: My top of my headit he might be the first

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Speaker 3: back taken. Well. The Cowboys team doctor did his and

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Speaker 3: they have a running back need. Like, it's not that

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Speaker 3: it's not Scott. Why am not. It's a short little name.

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Speaker 3: He's a good player, and they're going to know more

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Speaker 3: than anybody out there. Of course. Jonathan Brooks Brooks, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: so does that matter? Of course it matters. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean that kind of stuff. In a large,

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Speaker 2: large part of that is because the UPMC has done

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Speaker 2: a lot of background, you know, with the concussion stuff.

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Speaker 2: They there's a concussion institute and they study this stuff,

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Speaker 2: and so that's why they're at the forefront of this.

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Speaker 2: And the course of Steelers employ some of those guys

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Speaker 2: that that yeah, you know there.

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Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you consult them? To no end?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely so.

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Speaker 3: Now that doesn't mean if you pass on JP j oh,

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Speaker 3: he must have terrible concussion issues. But if you take him,

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Speaker 3: that means they probably are pretty comfortable with them, right,

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Speaker 3: So maybe again later Now.

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Speaker 2: We're doing our second run through on the triple take,

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Speaker 2: and I've adjusted my interior offensive line ranking. Okay, I

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Speaker 2: have moved Graham Barton and Zach Frazier ahead of Jackson.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but I did that as.

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Speaker 2: Much Graham Barton's pro day was unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: I would say Barton's really impressive. I mean, like I

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Speaker 3: like him more than that I did a month ago.

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Speaker 3: You know, every time I learn more or watch or whatever,

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Speaker 2: Like he ran into four eights at his pro day. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and he's big, and he's big, and he's play tackle, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Play guard. I mean like maybe he's a might be

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Speaker 3: a player, right yeah? And now I mean maybe I say,

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Speaker 3: a four position player, mate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know right, you might just draft him and say, okay,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gonna put him one of our one

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Speaker 3: I I mean, I don't think he'll get to the Niners,

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Speaker 3: but like they have four open spots that he would

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Speaker 3: help him with. I keep looking at Miami, I keep

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Speaker 3: looking at Dallas, where he's going to be a puzzle

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Speaker 3: piece for some team, maybe the Steelers. It might be

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Speaker 3: the Steeler R right, I mean it wouldn't fit in. Smart, tough, versatile, big,

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Speaker 2: Think we did the comp. There was a thing we

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Speaker 2: did last week in the comp on hit like somebody's

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Speaker 2: camped him to David di Castro. I'm like, I'd take

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Speaker 3: Center capable or yeah, right, with some right tackle experience.

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Speaker 3: That's not too bad, right, It would take a versatile

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Speaker 3: di Castro. Yeah, sign me up. And that's not you know,

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Speaker 3: I forget what we were joking about last week. A

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Speaker 3: bigger Steve Smith, the faster Larry Fitzgerald, you know, accommodation

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Speaker 3: of Barry Sanders and the brown you know, right, I

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Speaker 3: mean that's not really the comp I mean the Castro

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Speaker 3: was a mid first round pick, yeah, out of Stanford.

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Speaker 3: You know, it was a really good problem not at

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Speaker 3: the multive pro Bowls, right right, right? Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 3: him as a prospect, isn't much different than Barton.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you'd take him of you know, Matt

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Speaker 2: Williamson and Dale Lolly, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a perfect radio host. That's the first

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Speaker 3: round pick all day long.

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Speaker 2: But I and I said in the in the thing

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Speaker 2: and it hasn't run yet. But I'm like, this is

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Speaker 2: nothing against Jackson powers Johnson. I've just watched more and

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Speaker 2: learn more about these two guys and.

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Speaker 3: Move them up.

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Speaker 2: I moved them up.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I would still a Fraser three, partially because

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Speaker 3: he's I think he's only center only. I think that

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Speaker 3: hurts him a little bit. Yeah, but I don't think

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Speaker 3: you draft powers Johnson and throw mcguard here either, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you're looking at just from a Steelers light,

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Speaker 3: I do think that hurts Fraser stock a little bit.

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Speaker 3: It might help him fall to fifty one or whatever too.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if it's not that many center needy teams.

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Speaker 3: I also think he's quite as strong as those guys.

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Speaker 3: I mean, just anchor power, bull rush type. But he's

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Speaker 3: also going to get stronger, and he's getting stronger on

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Speaker 3: that leg right here.

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Speaker 2: You.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think the three of them are a

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Speaker 3: lot closer than people think.

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Speaker 3: No, I think they're kind of the moral story, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean that there's an awful lot to like about

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Speaker 3: all three. I like Portolini too. I mean, I like

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Speaker 3: the Penn State kid. I mean, there's some centers in

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Speaker 3: this draft that I don't think are so we could

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Speaker 3: spend a year talking about centers, and I actually did

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Speaker 3: a podcast was like twenty some minutes just all Steeler centers.

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Speaker 3: These are what's on the team, who's center capable? This

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Speaker 3: is what's out in free agency. But if you look

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Speaker 3: around the league, how many teams are starting a first

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Speaker 3: or second round center? Not that many, you know. Like,

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Speaker 3: if you even look at free agency this year, be

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Speaker 3: addish the Raiders dude that they re signed, the Titans

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Speaker 3: guy that went to Miami. These guys are all mid

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Speaker 3: round picks, you know what I mean. Like, there's not

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Speaker 3: many pouncies out there. I mean, Kelsey was a sex

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Speaker 3: six or seven. I mean, so if you don't get

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Speaker 3: the number one guy in the draft, that doesn't mean

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Speaker 3: you can't find a very successful third or fourth round

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, he's up to eighteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's up from sixteen guys he had listed in

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Speaker 3: the third, especially if those guys start rolling. Yeah, I

437
00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:36,680
Speaker 3: could see him falling pretty quick too.

438
00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,520
Speaker 2: Running back none, not surprising there.

439
00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,800
Speaker 3: Wide receiver running backs interesting for the Steelers though, because

440
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,080
Speaker 3: I do think whoever pulls the trigger on the first

441
00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,600
Speaker 3: one is going to open a title wave because like

442
00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,680
Speaker 3: one through seven, I know you've done your ranks, and

443
00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,960
Speaker 3: the second time around, there's seven or eight to me

444
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,000
Speaker 3: that are almost all the same.

445
00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:00,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and they kind of all do there's something.

446
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, there's the speed guy at Tennessee. This guy

447
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:08,560
Speaker 3: catches yeah, exactly right, wide receiver. There's five interesting who

448
00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:09,240
Speaker 3: are four and five?

449
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:15,960
Speaker 2: Harrison A. Douneier, mylik neighbors, he is those guys two,

450
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:16,640
Speaker 2: three and four.

451
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:18,680
Speaker 3: I might have them won two and three to be

452
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:19,200
Speaker 3: very honesty.

453
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,280
Speaker 2: He has Brian Thomas at seventeen and he has a

454
00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:25,520
Speaker 2: Donnie Mitchell at eighteen.

455
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean he's only talking about sure fire first rounders.

456
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:31,920
Speaker 3: He's not talking about who will go in the top

457
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:36,359
Speaker 3: thirty two, right, I agree with that. Mitchell scares me

458
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 3: a little just because there's inconsistencies there. I mean, like,

459
00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'd put him in this neighborhood,

460
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,159
Speaker 3: but I would put him in the is going in

461
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,960
Speaker 3: the first round in this draft neighborhood. I mean this

462
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,879
Speaker 3: guy very much, believe that. So I know you're a

463
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 3: huge Mconkey fan, and I'll be honest, I've been a

464
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 3: little behind you on him since we saw each other

465
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,160
Speaker 3: in Orlando. I did more homework. He's going the first round, Dude,

466
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:02,360
Speaker 3: he's really good. He's really good. In his comps are

467
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 3: Chris A. Lave and Tyler Lockett. Like everyone's like, everyone's like,

468
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 3: oh he's Wes Welker. That's cute, and it's not at all.

469
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 2: If you watch the combine stuff and they had a

470
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 2: size speed comparison stuff, it was the Garrett Wilson. Yeah, yeah,

471
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,119
Speaker 2: like he's a similar size, he's a little bit faster.

472
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 3: And he's a little bit faster. Like he kills on

473
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 3: like deep outs from the outside the numbers, not slot,

474
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 3: you know, no choice routes at all. I mean, his

475
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 3: production's low, but there were injuries and I bet held

476
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,120
Speaker 3: at Georgia a lot more balls at ninety nine percent

477
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 3: of the colleges in the world. I mean Brock Bowers

478
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,160
Speaker 3: getting schemed up, they're winning by fifty and the fourth

479
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 3: quarter handed into some.

480
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 2: I mean Donnie Mitchell transferred out of Georgia.

481
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you guys do all the time. It's just

482
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 3: impossible to get on the field.

483
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 2: How about this step for Donnie Mitchell in five career

484
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 2: college football playoff.

485
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 3: Games, Okay, he played five of them, that's yeah, he

486
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:57,919
Speaker 3: had five touchdowns.

487
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 2: Wow, his highlights are as good. Yeah, that's that's where

488
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 2: they're comp on him. Is George Pickens?

489
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 3: I see it, like absolutely, Yeah, I don't think that's unrealistic.

490
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 3: Would you consider him at twenty See he's I'm not

491
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 3: avoiding it, but I would have to sit down with

492
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 3: him and spend a lot of time because there's ralty

493
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 3: jogs and that might just be like Texas say, and

494
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 3: save your strength. I don't care, you know, like Corey

495
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 3: Coleman used to not even leave the line of scrimmage

496
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 3: half the time, you know, if it wasn't going on,

497
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 3: if they were run the ball, they said, save your strength.

498
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 3: I didn't need to know what how he's been coached.

499
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just don't know. And and you know, would

500
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 2: you that's that's that's a different conversation. Yeah, so you

501
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,439
Speaker 2: have George Pickens. Yes, would you take another George Pickens?

502
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 3: Yes, that's why I wanted Mike Williams. I think I

503
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 3: want big body trees go up and get it with

504
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 3: the deep ball passing that the new quarterbacks and you're

505
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:47,719
Speaker 3: gonna run the ball like crazy.

506
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's one tight end and that's Brock Bowers. And

507
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 2: once Bowers goes, you may see another fifty picks.

508
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, before there's another tight end taken. Yeah, he may

509
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 3: be the only one before the Steelers picking the second round.

510
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 2: I think that's one true.

511
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 3: You think you don't think Texas has he might be.

512
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 2: The only one before the third round begins.

513
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I could see that too, coming up with

514
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 3: my third tight end that was rough. It rough, it's rough,

515
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 3: and third through eight or like all the same.

516
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 2: Basically too offensive tackles. He has four.

517
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 3: Oh that's light.

518
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 2: I think it's light too. I think that's yeah.

519
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 3: I mean that's just being a harsh grader.

520
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 2: I bet yeah.

521
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 3: I mean I'm sure he's smart.

522
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 2: Because those tackles are gonna I mean, yeah, I could

523
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 2: get the seven tackles in the first round that I think, Well,

524
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 2: this guy might go in the first in the first round.

525
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 3: And maybe not all of them would qualify as a

526
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 3: first rounder any year, but I think they're pretty darn closed.

527
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 2: I think they would.

528
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 3: I mean I think because they're tackles. I really think

529
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 3: there's six or seven that are on the same plane

530
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 3: as right, who went ten Broderick and Johnson from Ohio

531
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 3: State last year. Like they were just mixed in in

532
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 3: some order with these guys.

533
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Right, So he has Joe All at six,

534
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 2: he has Forashanhu at eleven, mm hmm, he has Fulaga

535
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 2: at twelve. Yeah, and he has Fatanu at sixteen.

536
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean that's not Latham.

537
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 2: That's he doesn't have Latham is as Yeah.

538
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 3: I know people are worried about Latham. He hasn't worked out.

539
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 3: I don't care what he means. Don't care yards in

540
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 3: turn the tape on right, I mean, do I care

541
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 3: about his forty yard dash at all? No, I'm sure

542
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 3: it's going to be bad. Yeah, I don't care one bit.

543
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 2: No, I'm sure it's going to be five four. He's

544
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 2: a right tackle, he's this big round.

545
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 3: I mean, he's not going to be fast, He's not

546
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 3: going to open it up like you say Bolt, I

547
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 3: don't care one bit, right, I mean if his vertical

548
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 3: is not great either, I don't care for him.

549
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 2: He probably didn't run because he didn't want to be

550
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 2: compared to some of these guys, oh right, who are

551
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 2: like extreme runners.

552
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 3: They're extreme runners. I mean they're thin, longer dudes, you know.

553
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 3: I mean he's not going to work out like alt No,

554
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 3: I mean not even closed. And they don't look the same.

555
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 3: They do different things. Yeah, that's probably good advice not

556
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 3: to work out. But people are like, oh, it's a

557
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 3: big red flag. I'd take him at twenty right now,

558
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 3: no doubt.

559
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: If you said, as we sit here Monday, April first,

560
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 2: if you could have JC Latham at twenty, Yeah, you.

561
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 3: Traded me money for Latham? Yes, say yes, I was

562
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 3: closed to a run to the podium.

563
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 2: I would do it for Fortanu, I would do it

564
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 2: for for Waga. I don't even love for Shaw, who

565
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 2: he was my fifth rated offensive tackle.

566
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 3: But sign me up at twenty, right, I mean a

567
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 3: year ago he would have went ahead of the three

568
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 3: I just mentioned. Yeah, I mean if it came out.

569
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 2: Of years I mean for any of those guys at twenty.

570
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, amongst others, yeah, I mean that are in the mix. Yeah. No,

571
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 3: I hear you.

572
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 2: Edge rushers too, Okay, No, no interior offensive lineman by

573
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 2: the way.

574
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 3: Okay, and I guess I get that. I'd take Barton

575
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 3: at twenty Barton and I don't know. I wouldn't make

576
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 3: that trade today.

577
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 2: But if you told me, depending on who else is event.

578
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: Say, yeah, the Leatham trade I'd make today. Yeah, twenty

579
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 3: is no longer you know, belongs to Steelers and they

580
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 3: have a guy named Latham. Yeah. I would not do

581
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 3: that with the interior guys yet.

582
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: Edge rushers two guys, Dallas Turner at seven, Jared Verse

583
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: at fourteen.

584
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 3: Okay, I actually did the podcast today. We were just

585
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 3: previewing all the d linemen in this draft. The more

586
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 3: I watched Late two, this isn't going to apply the

587
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 3: Steelers at all. Right, Lay two is so much better

588
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 3: than all those other guys. Yeah, I mean, just as

589
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 3: a football player like I understand there's more to scouting.

590
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 3: Trust me, I know there's more to scouting. His floor

591
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 3: is so high. Yeah, I mean, he's just so much

592
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 3: better at the game right now than either one of

593
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 3: those guys. I mean, especially the Bama dude. I mean

594
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 3: Turners all, you know, all kinds of traits and might

595
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:37,479
Speaker 3: hit huge, but Lay two is just wins every snap.

596
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 3: I like, he's so much better than all these guys.

597
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 3: There's but there's other issues. It's you know, we don't

598
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 3: react to like the MEAs Mell Sugs. Remember Charles Suggs

599
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 3: came out. Oh he ran four to eight and he

600
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 3: falls the Ravens. He's just he's just a good football player.

601
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 3: He's just so much better. Yeah, he's really and a

602
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 3: lot setting guys up and right.

603
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 2: A lot of the Polynesians are that way, and I'm

604
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 2: not I'm not racially stereo.

605
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 3: No, No, they just they're just good football players. Yeah. And

606
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: their body types are different too. They have huge calves

607
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 3: and you know, I mean there's just naturally strong, naturally heavy,

608
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 3: naturally heavy handed. You know, yeah, no doubt to me.

609
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 2: Like Verse, I mean, his backstory is unbelievable. Yes, uh,

610
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 2: he had. He was barely recruited out of high school.

611
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: He's a Northeastern Pennsylvania guy, went to the University of

612
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 2: Albany Sonny Albany. Yeah, and played for your former coworker,

613
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 2: slash boss Greg Gatuso.

614
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 3: There. Oh okay, I didn't know that correlation. Yeah, played

615
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 3: a couple of years.

616
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 2: He was a tight end coming out of high school

617
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 2: and they moved him to defensive end and he just

618
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,479
Speaker 2: took off and then Florida Stake says, yeah, we'll take him.

619
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

620
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 2: It was two years in Florida State. Eighteen sacks, thirty

621
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 2: three and a half tackles for a lost two years.

622
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 3: And I like him, but I also and he wins

623
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 3: with power, But I don't know his ceilings super or high,

624
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 3: you know, like if he goes it's also really high too,

625
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 3: Yeah it is. I mean I think he's a good prospect.

626
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 3: I think he'll go in around one. I hope he

627
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 3: goes in the first nineteen. But I think he's closer

628
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 3: to high Smith than what you know what I mean,

629
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 3: which is right. It's also worth a mid first round pick.

630
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, defensive tackle he has one and that's Byer Murphy.

631
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 3: So I was going back on fourth on this one too.

632
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 3: I might like Newton better. So like Newton Latham.

633
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: That's why I think when we're talking about this, we

634
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: said there's twenty five Yeah, yeah, first round guys.

635
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Newton and Degene in particular, there's no buzz

636
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 3: in the media. They haven't worked out, nothing news happened. Yeah,

637
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 3: turned on Big ten tape. Those guys are awesome studs.

638
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 3: There are studs, and I don't think Newton has any

639
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 3: chance to be a Steeler, nor should he be. But

640
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 3: he's he affects the game more than Murphy. Yeah he does.

641
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: I mean if both of those guys went before twenty

642
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: I wouldn't blink an eye, like.

643
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 3: The Bengal should be really considering one of them. Absolutely. Yeah.

644
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: Linebacker none right, cornerback only two. Enough Degene in here.

645
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: He has Terry and Arnold at eight, Quinya Mitchell at fifteen.

646
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: Degene is a first round draft pick all day and

647
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: twice on Sundays in my in my.

648
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 3: Book, But I think we have to remember what his

649
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 3: exercise is. I mean, he's saying the guys that are

650
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 3: no doubt any any year.

651
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: I get it.

652
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Speaker 3: Just give me a forty time. I think he's working

653
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Speaker 3: out on the fourteenth or something like that, and that's

654
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 3: the next time this comes out. You know what I mean,

655
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 3: He's gonna I guarantee I haven't.

656
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: I haven't seen him run. I've seen him run on tape. Yeah, yeah,

657
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 2: I guarantee you he's a four to four guy.

658
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he knows if he doesn't run well at

659
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 3: his pro day, maybe he's not all the way back.

660
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 3: He rushed it, I mean on tape. I have no

661
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: doubt about his feed.

662
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's faster. He was faster than everybody into Big

663
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 2: ten chasing him trying to.

664
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, to be honest, Latham Newton Dejeene, I'm

665
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 3: not sure what workouts are gonna tell us, right, I

666
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 3: mean they just beat up people in the field time

667
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 3: and time again, in player in the field all the time.

668
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Speaker 2: Interesting, the guys who haven't worked out aren't on his list.

669
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's just a scouting I got

670
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Speaker 3: to check the box.

671
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, uh, no safeties. So that's your that's

672
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Speaker 2: your eighteen.

673
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 3: Who are the two corners though, Arnold and Terry Arnold

674
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 3: and QUINNYA.

675
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: Mitchell.

676
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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I mean I think there'll be plenty more

677
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 3: that do go. I think the gene I think he is.

678
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: Arnold is his eighth overall prospect, but really Mitchell's is fifteenth.

679
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 3: Who would be your bet, not who you would pick

680
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 3: to be first defensive player taken? Probably the past rusher,

681
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 3: probably Turner. Turner, I think so too, But I think

682
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 3: I'd take the corners ahead of them in a vacuum,

683
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 3: maybe both those guys, maybe even the gene.

684
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't love the past.

685
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: I haven't studied the pass rushers either, because I don't

686
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: think the Steelers are in that market. But you know,

687
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 2: the cornerbacks I have, Yeah, maybe there's a little bit

688
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: of you know, you get a little.

689
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Speaker 3: I mean I think. I mean, he's a five started

690
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 3: that went to Bama and there's obvious traits there, but

691
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 3: he's under two hundred and forty pounds. He's not as

692
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 3: physical as some of these other guys. Yeah, he makes plays,

693
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: but he also kind of disappears at times too. And

694
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't It.

695
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: Was some of those questions though about will Anderson coming

696
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: out last Yearah, yeah, he's just wondering that Bama defense

697
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: because there's so many other dudes.

698
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 3: Sure that I'm like the Georgia guys didn't produce, right,

699
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: I mean, there's too many of them getting the ball.

700
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: I mean, Turner had ten sacks last year. I know,

701
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: I know, it's not like he didn't do anything right, but.

702
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 3: To be the first defensive player off the board. I

703
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 3: don't know if I want to be in that market.

704
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 3: If I'm like Atlanta, whether it at nine or whatever, No,

705
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: I get it. Yeah, I mean I've.

706
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: Been most in most drafts.

707
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:39,479
Speaker 3: Though.

708
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: If you're getting the number one edge rusher at eight,

709
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, I'll.

710
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 3: Take it, right, But I don't think he's a Boso or.

711
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: No, I don't think he is. Yeah, right, but if he's,

712
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: I mean his comp was Josh Allen.

713
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 3: If he's that, yeah, that's not a bad comp.

714
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: Did you take him in the first round?

715
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's a pretty good comp. That's a similar

716
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 3: type guy and Alan I think went higher because draft

717
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: wasn't strong with tackles and receivers and quarterbacks. The tackles,

718
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 3: receivers and quarterbacks are insane.

719
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: It's just crazy with thish.

720
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really insane. And half the quarterbacks will hit

721
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 3: I don't know which half, but they're gonna go high.

722
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: It might be less than half.

723
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: It might be less than half. I mean the Mayfield

724
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 3: Josh Allen draft.

725
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: Speaking of that, did you see Greg Cosel's rankings on

726
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks?

727
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 3: No, but I've been reading his every one of his Uh,

728
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 3: write ups on the Big thirty three or thirty three team,

729
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 3: and I didn't see his rankings though I know he's

730
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 3: high on Daniels.

731
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: He has Jane like I. He has Jane Daniels one one.

732
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 3: Wow.

733
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't find it here anywhere. But he has

734
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: Williams three really wow. He has May to Williams three.

735
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,479
Speaker 2: Then he has Nicks and Pennix. I think he has

736
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: Pennix Nicks and then Carthy six.

737
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 3: Wow. I mean I could understand all shapes and sizes.

738
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I really do get it. I'm coolding on

739
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 3: Daniels a little bit, though I think we disagree on it.

740
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: I love him, Yeah, I bumped him down from from

741
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: one to two in my line in.

742
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 3: Our mock him from two to three.

743
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: I think he's pretty darn good.

744
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like, I'm not saying he's not gonna

745
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 3: be a good player or I wouldn't take him. I

746
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 3: just I wish you through the middlefield more. He isn't

747
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 3: as creative as Williams, I mean, but he also didn't

748
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 3: have to be. It's another one of these two great

749
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: receivers on the receivers and like the best O line

750
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 3: in the league and I'm sure they told him, if

751
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 3: your first read's not there, just take off like the

752
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 3: road runner. Yeah, and he had the best year in

753
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 3: college football, you know. I mean, but there's stuff on

754
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: tape you don't see, and I hate the way he

755
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 3: takes hits. I mean that needs to be I mean,

756
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: the owner needs to shit him down after they draft.

757
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 3: Get like, yeah, I'm just about amongst the elite players.

758
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 3: I just see Lamar Jackson there and yeah, you know,

759
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 3: I mean they're game changing plays.

760
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he can. He can light it up running or

761
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: throwing the football.

762
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 3: Can he can?

763
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: You know, if if we redrafted that draft, that's what

764
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen draft, that the Baker, Alan, Lamar Rose and

765
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: Donald mar is probably number one or Allan. It's it's

766
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 2: Lamar Allen.

767
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 3: One of the two, right, and they weren't. It's a

768
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 3: distant yeah, they weren't.

769
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 2: You know, I don't even know if any of those

770
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,919
Speaker 2: other guys even make the you know, maybe Baker makes

771
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: the first round somewhere.

772
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, right, I mean, Rosen's obviously was the biggest

773
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 3: bust in recent memory, and Donald's trying to hang on. Yeah, right,

774
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 3: But I think this class will go like that. There'll

775
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 3: be a star or two one or two that are okay,

776
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 3: and I don't know one thing. I also hold against

777
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 3: Daniels a little as well as Nix and Pennix. They're

778
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 3: so much older. I mean, I must.

779
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: Say me as much. At the quarterback position.

780
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 3: It didn't used to and it didn't with like Pickett

781
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 3: or Purty. You know, like some of those guys have

782
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 3: come in and played right away. Yeah, but you just

783
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 3: wonder what would Drake may look like when he's twenty

784
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 3: four Williams, you know what I mean? Against those guys,

785
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 3: just more giving it a check to the others.

786
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: You know, like I was, I was a seventeen year

787
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: old maybe pretty good. I was a seventeen year old freshman. Yeah,

788
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 2: you were playing right playing.

789
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 3: You know.

790
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 2: I was still seventeen when the college basketball season started,

791
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: and I'm playing against guys that are twenty three, twenty

792
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 2: four years old. It's big difference.

793
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 3: It's the difference, right right, especially you're so smart at

794
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 3: the quarterback position after six years. Yeah, you've seen it all,

795
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 3: and I'm.

796
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 2: Not going to hold of being smart at the quarterback

797
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 2: position against.

798
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 3: It, I know. I mean, like Nick's is super efficient, good,

799
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 3: you know, I mean I get it. Yeah, that's just

800
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 3: my point is what would Caleb Williams or Drake may

801
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 3: look like when they're twenty four? Absolutely, I hear you, Yeah,

802
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: I hear not against the twenty four year old.

803
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: Let's get to another break. He is the Matt Williamson.

804
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Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lowllett. You're listening

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Speaker 2: to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. And Matt

818
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Speaker 2: Adam Rank has put together the best revenge games we're

819
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four season, and the Steelers factor into

820
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 2: this night at some of the moves that they have made.

821
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: So his first game on here, he has his twelve

822
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: games in no particular order. We'll get an idea of

823
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: where these games will be placed at in the season

824
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: once the schedule comes out. His first one is the Giants.

825
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 3: The schedule come out like a month after the draft

826
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 3: something like that.

827
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 2: It's in May, a couple weeks after.

828
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 3: The Druble weeks.

829
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he is the Giants at the Eagles.

830
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: Of course that would be a samea Barkley connections here.

831
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

832
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 3: Interesting. Uh. He also has this happened twice obviously, well.

833
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: Chiefs at forty nine Ers because that's a Super Bowl rematch.

834
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I was going to see specific player.

835
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you like to see that.

836
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: That's right. That's great. I wonder if that's Opening night Thursday,

837
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 3: Oh boy, that would be It's pretty awesome.

838
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, depends on where the game is going to be.

839
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: I think I think the forty Chiefs are at the

840
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 2: forty nine, so that will be. Uh, you have the

841
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys versus the Washington Commanders will get to do

842
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: that twice, so you're looking at.

843
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 3: What connection is going on here? What's what's the head coach?

844
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 3: Head coach?

845
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,959
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you know they got him a job, right, so.

846
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 3: He got bumped up. I don't know that that would

847
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 3: be a revenge thing, but it's an interesting correlation, you know.

848
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jacksonville at Tennessee Ridley, Ridley, that's the bonus thing.

849
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 2: But by the time he said, by the time Week

850
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 2: eighteen rolled around last year, the Titans were an eleven

851
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: lost team. Who's bright young quarterback with sideline with an injury.

852
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 2: Yet they still beat Jacksonville, putting in the final touches

853
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 2: on the Jackar Jaguars, stunning twenty twenty three collapse and

854
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 2: keeping them out of the playoffs. It happens a lot.

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00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 3: In that division, it does. It seems to happen with

856
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 3: Jags a lot. Yeah, I mean they're hard, hard organization

857
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 3: to trust. But yeah, a little Ridley action there too.

858
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 2: You got the Ravens at the Chiefs.

859
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 3: Well, that's just a good battle obviously. Yeah, in the rematch, Okay,

860
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 3: there was no players to change teams that I know of,

861
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 3: and Markus Brown was a.

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00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: Brown removed from that. But yeah, here's a big this

863
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: is a revenge compure revenge game Steelers at Broncos. This

864
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: one here, to me screams that this is going to

865
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Speaker 2: be a Sunday the Sunday night game on opening week

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Speaker 2: or the Monday night game opening week weekend.

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Speaker 3: I could see that.

868
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: I was.

869
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 3: I thought, you're gonna say a standalone game, but you're

870
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 3: even going to take a step further and say week one.

871
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, Week one, here's Russ and is with his new team.

872
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 2: This team did this team is paying him to play

873
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 2: against them.

874
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 3: Yes, that's kind of the description of it in Denver,

875
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 3: in Denver, Oyeah. I'm sure he'll get a nice war movation.

876
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, Steeler fans book, you're started looking at it.

877
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 3: That could be a great road trip.

878
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 2: Uh. You got the Packers versus the Vikings, Josh Jacobs

879
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: and Aaron Jones.

880
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 3: No, the swap, the swap, they weren't a swap, but yeah,

881
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: Aaron Jones. But obviously that's a good divisional game to

882
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 3: begin with. Trying to think there was any other correlations

883
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 3: between those two, I don't think they're just off season moves.

884
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, You've got the Ravens versus.

885
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 3: The Steelers, Patrick Queen.

886
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: Steelers have won seven of the past eight meetings between

887
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 2: these two teams. Patrick Queen changing his teams. Uh. You also,

888
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 2: you know there's some.

889
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 3: Definitely that's yeah. I mean that's a revenge game that

890
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 3: John Harball was talking trash to us at the at

891
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 3: the owners meetings. Yeah, that was pretty you missed it. Yeah,

892
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 3: they go.

893
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 2: Go go check it out on the last Wednesdays, the last.

894
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 3: Few minutes of the video. Yeah, the last few minutes

895
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 3: of the podcast. Yeah, that was pretty cool of them.

896
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 2: Detroit at San Francisco, I mean's good games.

897
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 3: I mean it's yeah, it's a playoff game, playoff game rematch.

898
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, final four teams or NFC championship. Fair enough, Houston

899
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 2: versus the Titans. You might say, what's what's up with

900
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: that one?

901
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 3: That one?

902
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: Uh so the Titans we're wearing their oilers throwback game.

903
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that did not settle at all.

904
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 2: In Week fifteen last year, Houston won the game in overtime.

905
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 2: The Titans have completely they're.

906
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 3: Like a whole new organization.

907
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 2: They've got like all new players this year.

908
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 3: Coach everything, I mean started with GM a year ago.

909
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 3: Rabels out, I mean, they're totally they don't look the

910
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 3: same at all. Dan Hill Henry days are long gone. Yeah,

911
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 3: that's interesting where Houston's now the biggest dog in the division.

912
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bill's versus Dolphins. Jordan Poyer changed teams. Yeah, this

913
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: is a team that.

914
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 3: You know, two of the best teams of the division.

915
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 2: Two supposedly we'll see. I mean this is you know,

916
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: the Dolphins have been keying up to try to knock

917
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: off the Bills. They didn't get it done last year.

918
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 3: They went all in again. I mean, their salary cap

919
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 3: situation is weird. So total side note, but ever just

920
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: been kicking it around, like if they go sign Odell

921
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: Beckham or draft a receiver high, I don't know that

922
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 3: they'll be able to afford Waddle. That's what I keep saying.

923
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 3: I know you've brought that up a couple of times,

924
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 3: bringing it up like that one sticks out more than

925
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 3: DeVante Smith or some of the other names we've mentioned

926
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: because their cap is we used to make fun of

927
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 3: the Chargers A signed last year. It's worse for that.

928
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 3: I mean it's insane and they even signed to it, right, right,

929
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 3: they gotta do that, right, They're gonna somebody's gonna have

930
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 3: to go.

931
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, And then the final one on here is

932
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 2: the Ravens versus the Bengals. Well, we saw Geno Stone

933
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: change teams.

934
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 3: There was a lot of AFC North poaching, Yeah, poaching exactly.

935
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 3: They know what word to use. And Burrow should be

936
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 3: back hopefully, and you know, Burrow versus Lamar. Can the

937
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 3: Bengals get back to be in a double digit win

938
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,479
Speaker 3: type team? Who knows?

939
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: You know, no Brown's games on here, lots of lots

940
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: of Steelers and Ravens and Bengals.

941
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, Brown's Yeah, that's a good point. I'm sure

942
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 3: there's a lot of other like Barkley situation.

943
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: So one thing we kicked around a little bit and

944
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: we talked about it the last day we were down.

945
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 3: We talked.

946
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: We didn't talk about it on the air. But so

947
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: this year Hard Knocks is actually going to focus on

948
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 2: a division.

949
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 3: Right, all right, just sneaky.

950
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: Is there any doubt that is probably going to be

951
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: the AFC North.

952
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 3: I mean, you look at win lost totals, it's by

953
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 3: far the best last year. Yeah, and that's even without

954
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 3: Burrow for much of the year. I'm gonna say Watson too,

955
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: but I mean I don't know that he is.

956
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: There's a more intriguing division in football.

957
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: No, I mean the rivalries are built in and great.

958
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 2: You've got two potential MVP candidates in the in the division,

959
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: you've got.

960
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 3: A like Russell Will.

961
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: One team just brought it a potential future Hall of

962
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: Fame quarterback.

963
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, harbought Tomlin Steelers Ravens, you know, two

964
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 3: Ohio teams. You know, things like that too.

965
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: And they're all all those games. Even like Baltimore to

966
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: Cleveland is not a bad drive. Baltimore to Cincinnati is

967
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: not a bad drive.

968
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 3: Kind of the same neck of the Woods.

969
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: You could get back and forth between those four cities,

970
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: maybe easier than any other division in the league.

971
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no Dallas in the East or Miami in

972
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 3: the East to screw you all up. I mean you

973
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 3: could drive everywhere. Is that the only division you could

974
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 3: drive everywhere?

975
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty much because you're not going to

976
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 2: drive in the NFC North. No, I mean Minnesota to

977
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: Detroit is a hike.

978
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 3: It is not. It's not a supposed to think let

979
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 3: alone Chicage, you know. Yeah, Yeah, there's a lot of

980
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 3: territory in Chicago, Detroit.

981
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: Chicago, Detroit and Green Bay are pretty easy. But I

982
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 2: think like Minnesota is like six hours or more of

983
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: that's Green Bay.

984
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's on the other side the way.

985
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 2: It's a hike.

986
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. The other thing too is I think it's not

987
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 3: a secret that the Steelers are not super excited to

988
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 3: be the Hard Knocks team. No, but this way you

989
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 3: still get them, right, you know, I mean to get

990
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 3: a quarter of them.

991
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: But the Bengals, the Browns, and the Ravens have all

992
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: done it.

993
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 3: Have they? Yeah, okay, I mean you know the day

994
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 3: is coming, but this might be a way.

995
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: To circumvent the There's some teams that would sell like

996
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 2: want nothing to do with Hard Knocks, the Steelers being

997
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: one of them.

998
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 3: I wouldn't either, No, No, I wouldn't need it. Yeah yeah,

999
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 3: but yeah, maybe when we're doing they'll catch us at

1000
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: Sharky's one night.

1001
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 2: Or there'll be taping the show as we talk about,

1002
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: you know, training camp shows.

1003
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 3: Sure. Yeah, we made our little mugs. Might end up

1004
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 3: on there some way, shape or form.

1005
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: I hope not. We got faces made for radio.

1006
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 3: Yes, we do some some YouTube stuff from Orlando, but yeah,

1007
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, it's coming.

1008
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: Let's get to another break. He is Matt Williamson, I'm

1009
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 2: Dale Lallie. You're listening to the Drive here on Steelers

1010
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 2: Nation Radio. That's going to do it for our number

1011
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Speaker 2: one of the Drive. We'll be back with our number

1012
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Speaker 2: two right after this