Speaker 1: It's three in Tahiti and you're listening to Night Call. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome back to Night Call, a podcast for those
Speaker 1: strange days and lonely nights. I'm Molly Lambert here in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, and with me is Tess Lynchen in New
Speaker 1: York City. We have Emily Yoshida. We are all here
Speaker 1: today to take some of your night calls and talk
Speaker 1: about some haunted dolls. As always, give us a night
Speaker 1: call at two four oh four six night, or send
Speaker 1: us an email at Night Call podcast at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: You can also text us at to four oh four
Speaker 1: six night. Have the tech spend popping off. You know,
Speaker 1: we got in some texts. I was really excited the
Speaker 1: first text came in and I was legitimately like, oh
Speaker 1: a text. It's like the magic of all over again.
Speaker 1: Or whenever you got your first text message, did you
Speaker 1: get a fax machine? Care would be ideal, just like
Speaker 1: Haunted Doll alert. Uh. We got a message from the
Speaker 1: ice cream truck ghost caller that cut off. She was like, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm going to explain I found out a while ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I just wanted to say on the podcast to her,
Speaker 1: please call back in and tell that's what happened with
Speaker 1: the ice cream truck ghost? It's a cliffhanger. Make sure
Speaker 1: you've got four bars, Please call again? I mean I
Speaker 1: was also like, I hope she wasn't taken by the
Speaker 1: ghost all of the phone call was my first thought. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we wanted to talk about haunted dolls again
Speaker 1: a little bit. This isn't so much haunted as just
Speaker 1: in the category of dolls in general. Have you guys
Speaker 1: been getting a lot of haunted doll feedback? I haven't
Speaker 1: seen any. I haven't really been putting out the feeler
Speaker 1: for haunted dolls, to be honest, But yeah, Tess, how
Speaker 1: about you any haunted doll feelings. My cousin Molly, who
Speaker 1: is really really cool, she enjoyed the Haunted Doll podcast
Speaker 1: a lot, and she requested we do a Luigi board.
Speaker 1: Great idea, which is a great idea, But honestly, I'm
Speaker 1: a little scared the power of magic. Yes, yes, for it. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm a little scared of dolls. That's what I realized too.
Speaker 1: They're kind of kind of terrifying. No. Well, as we've
Speaker 1: explored for many podcasts, but let's keep going. Well, what
Speaker 1: happened to me was I had a doll encounter, like
Speaker 1: right after that podcast came out where we talked about
Speaker 1: the Haunted dolls. I was in Little Tokyo in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles and I saw this girl who was carrying like
Speaker 1: a full It wasn't a full sized doll, but it
Speaker 1: was like bigger than a barbie. It was like a
Speaker 1: weird large size of doll. You're talking like a chicken
Speaker 1: American girl doll. Yeah, I guess. I feel like it
Speaker 1: was even even bigger than that. It was like very large.
Speaker 1: This is this is like she's probably under twenties, but
Speaker 1: she had the girl had a green mohawk, and then
Speaker 1: the doll was dressed identically like her with a green mohawk.
Speaker 1: And so, being the investigative reporter I am. I went
Speaker 1: over and I was like, Hi, may I talk to
Speaker 1: you about your doll? And she was like yes you may. Um.
Speaker 1: She was like, oh, I customized it myself and I
Speaker 1: sell them. I have like an Instagram account. It's like
Speaker 1: something customs uh. And it's a ball jointed doll. And
Speaker 1: then I plunged into the rabbit hole of a ball
Speaker 1: jointed dolls, which is a whole world of doll stuff.
Speaker 1: I knew nothing about what doesn't ball jointed doll just
Speaker 1: mean that it's articulated that you can bend its limbs.
Speaker 1: It's like the community. Because I was telling somebody about
Speaker 1: this and they were like, oh, yeah, like people used
Speaker 1: to do with blive dolls on live journal. And I
Speaker 1: was like, my friend Lauren does live dolls for everyone.
Speaker 1: She you know, she'll like, if she really likes you,
Speaker 1: shall make a blithe doll in your image. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like keep a blithe doll. Blithe doll. I think it's
Speaker 1: a I think it's a Japanese doll all the all
Speaker 1: like this doll that this girl had, and a lot
Speaker 1: of these dolls. I think we're like Japanese dolls that
Speaker 1: that you can then customize. It's like you buy the
Speaker 1: body and then you like paint it yourself and freak
Speaker 1: it well. I think you can also like change out
Speaker 1: the heads, you can change out the hair. You can
Speaker 1: do all kinds of things with them. And so what
Speaker 1: people do is they customize them, or they like keep
Speaker 1: customizing them and changing them all the time, and then
Speaker 1: they pose them. You elaborate setups everywhere they go, Like
Speaker 1: you can build doll houses that are they have like
Speaker 1: mid century modern blive dolls with like the mid century
Speaker 1: modern house and they're dressed in yeah, but their physical
Speaker 1: dolls they're not. They're physical like okay, all right, No,
Speaker 1: they're physical dolls that you place in real spaces. But
Speaker 1: then you like have an Instagram account for them. That's
Speaker 1: like the life of the dolls doll as a person. Well,
Speaker 1: isn't that like, what was it socality Barbie or something?
Speaker 1: I mean Barbie herself. My friends Lawton does the a
Speaker 1: Barbie Instagram, which is like an amazing doll Instagram where
Speaker 1: it's like he just started doing it for fun because
Speaker 1: he worked for Barbie and he liked doing it, but
Speaker 1: it's like Barbie's Instagram and it's really well done. You know.
Speaker 1: I think they may have poked fun at this on SNL.
Speaker 1: They did the whole sketch about it, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that's my friend's Latin Barbie Instagram. He like invented the
Speaker 1: Barbie social media presence and it's really good. Well, that's
Speaker 1: why I love the Sylvanian Families Instagram because or and
Speaker 1: the Twitter. Actually mostly I like the Twitter because even
Speaker 1: though it feels like more it should be more of
Speaker 1: an Instagram account. There's something about following a very chill
Speaker 1: like the chillist Instagram you could possibly imagine, but following
Speaker 1: it on Twitter, so having it in your feet and
Speaker 1: make amid people like screaming about the apocalypse and about
Speaker 1: Roseanne and whatever, and then just having some chill bunnies,
Speaker 1: being like spring is a time for enjoying your friends.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love to just retweet it, you know,
Speaker 1: in the middle of a crisis. I have one like
Speaker 1: that that's real cats, not doll cats that live in
Speaker 1: a forest. They think they live in Hokkaido and they
Speaker 1: are like cafe cats, but they're just cats who live
Speaker 1: in a forest and have the best life I can
Speaker 1: possibly imagine. There's like a bridge and a stream and
Speaker 1: they just like chase birds in the trees all day. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I always retreat them because it is like it's
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Speaker 1: a woman with a green mohawk carrying a doll. That's
Speaker 1: that's how I learned about well, you know, the ball jointed.
Speaker 1: But what was interesting about it was that it was
Speaker 1: a male doll. She was a men, and the doll
Speaker 1: was a hot guy. And then I realized that, like
Speaker 1: a lot of this community is women in gay men
Speaker 1: customizing dolls that are like hot guys. And I thought
Speaker 1: that was really interesting because so much of the conversation
Speaker 1: about sex dolls is about men with female sex dolls.
Speaker 1: But I was like, oh, these women are like making
Speaker 1: a hot guy doll and then like giving it life.
Speaker 1: Uh that I mean, did you read Alison Davis's piece
Speaker 1: in New York about the the like the male sex dolls.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I haven't read it yet, but I saw
Speaker 1: it on the news stand and I was like, oh, like,
Speaker 1: two's a trend. Yeah, guys, Well it's funny because they're like,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously there's more of a market for female
Speaker 1: sex dolls, but like the people who want the male
Speaker 1: sex doll are very are very exacting and very specific
Speaker 1: in their demands. And I mean it doesn't sound that fun,
Speaker 1: but I think that I think half the fun of it.
Speaker 1: I guess if you have one is just designing it,
Speaker 1: like not the sex part, but just having like designing
Speaker 1: your perfect man the just smiles pleasantly and like lies
Speaker 1: on the floor. Well yeah, I also like the idea
Speaker 1: that people that like need stuff like that can just
Speaker 1: opt out of having to date regular people that might
Speaker 1: not want that experience. Sure, if you're someone who should
Speaker 1: probably dat a sex doll instead of a human being
Speaker 1: because you want to like self identifying, maybe take yourself
Speaker 1: out of the sexual marketplace and buy that doll for
Speaker 1: his one more doll thing. Oh well, this isn't it's
Speaker 1: an odd segue from the sex dolls to newborn baby dolls.
Speaker 1: All right, Well it's just a full circle, right, I
Speaker 1: mean the circle of life. I think it was. It
Speaker 1: became kind of like a trend piece like ten years ago, um,
Speaker 1: around two thousand eight or so. Uh, the reborn doll
Speaker 1: fandom movement thing where people and there are a lot
Speaker 1: of different reasons why people would get an extremely realistic
Speaker 1: newborn doll. Um, some of them have heartbeats, and they
Speaker 1: look like they breathe and stuff, and some of them,
Speaker 1: you know, like they've been used their arapeutically for people
Speaker 1: who have lost their kids, and that's like a great
Speaker 1: you know, if it helps people, that's great, but it
Speaker 1: also you know, they become kind of collector's items. These
Speaker 1: dolls are very expensive babies robot babies, but you can
Speaker 1: have them made. I mean, it's like the design processes.
Speaker 1: What's it's called. What's it called when you design them
Speaker 1: reborn ing it has a verb um, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's crazy because it's like you buy you can
Speaker 1: buy the parts and do it yourself, which results in
Speaker 1: like a really awful looking doll because newborns, you know,
Speaker 1: with the new they're not like the most sypathetically huge
Speaker 1: exactly look like a real baby, which is a different thing.
Speaker 1: Does it just take you into the own canny valley though,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. And apparently there was a big problem
Speaker 1: because people would have these dolls and they would treat
Speaker 1: them like babies. So sometimes they even have them in
Speaker 1: car seats in the car, or they'd even just happen blinds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so whether it's in a car seat in your locked car,
Speaker 1: that you're not in or like lying on the floor
Speaker 1: of your car. People were calling the police and being like,
Speaker 1: there's an in been in a car and then they
Speaker 1: show up and it would take them a minute to
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I am like clutching my chest. What
Speaker 1: is the point of having a reborn if you don't
Speaker 1: take it in with you when you go to the
Speaker 1: grocery store, Like, isn't the whole point to have the
Speaker 1: It's like it's like the training dollar you have to
Speaker 1: tell you, like not to have sex when you again,
Speaker 1: like to bring it back to the sex doll. And
Speaker 1: maybe it's for people who don't want the full responsibility
Speaker 1: of relationship with the baby. They're like, I want a
Speaker 1: baby I can leave in the car. Sometimes there's also
Speaker 1: an Instagram Yeah, I mean. The Guardian wrote about this
Speaker 1: a while ago and they tried to interview people who
Speaker 1: had reborn dolls and a few of them are like,
Speaker 1: don't use my name because it because of the Uncanny
Speaker 1: Valley effect, people are just like really creeped out by
Speaker 1: it in ways that are difficult for them to express.
Speaker 1: So there's a stigma attached and a lot of these
Speaker 1: people are you know, grandparents to like people whose kids
Speaker 1: have grown up and they like wish that they had
Speaker 1: a baby. This is a black mirror. It's a black mirror.
Speaker 1: Do you guys think that there are people who just
Speaker 1: want like babies that never grow up? For sure? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like forever kitten. Yeah. Well that's the weird thing too,
Speaker 1: is they have these like the stuffed animals that breathe
Speaker 1: and have heart beats and are used for people with dementia. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, and and apparently it's very effective. It's like
Speaker 1: a calming device and stuff, and they're not creepy. But
Speaker 1: the human version, well that's for sure true. I feel
Speaker 1: like the thing about the Uncanny Valley is like the
Speaker 1: closer you try to approximate realism, the more it opens up.
Speaker 1: You know. But like if you go in the stuffed
Speaker 1: animal direction, but why is that? I mean, because if
Speaker 1: it looks exactly like a real kid, because it doesn't
Speaker 1: ever look I told I brought this up on another one,
Speaker 1: but I watched the show called like Animal Babies in
Speaker 1: the Wild that turned out to be like they were
Speaker 1: putting it's called Spy in the Wild. They put robot
Speaker 1: baby animals amongst real baby animals. But it was like
Speaker 1: you could just the robots were also scary, and the
Speaker 1: fact that they were surrounded by real, incredibly cute baby
Speaker 1: animals just made you more aware. But some of the
Speaker 1: baby animals like accepted the robot is one of their
Speaker 1: own because they were just like a really jacked up baby,
Speaker 1: which kinds of animals, all of them, they all but
Speaker 1: again it's because they're babies. They're just like, we're not
Speaker 1: gonna like turn on this maybe baby thing. Well, we
Speaker 1: have a really exciting nightcall this week. We have a
Speaker 1: nightcall from UM, a special friend, a friend of the pod.
Speaker 1: Let's yeah, friend of the Hey, guys, So it's Nicole
Speaker 1: from It's Happening with Snooky and Joey and I have
Speaker 1: a nightcall for you guys. So, I totally believe in
Speaker 1: aliens and I always have this presence of aliens in
Speaker 1: my house. I know it sounds crazy, but UM, the
Speaker 1: Grays I've always been not like attracted to, but always
Speaker 1: like interested in UM, and I always feel like there's
Speaker 1: alien presents around me ever since I was little. So
Speaker 1: can you tell me about the Grays and what I've
Speaker 1: been feeling? Wow, thank you so much, Nicole. That was Nicole.
Speaker 1: Snicky Poetzy of um TV and podcast fame UM who
Speaker 1: has a podcast also produced by our dear Ben Hosley
Speaker 1: here at audio boom Um. I mean that I've never
Speaker 1: heard of Gray's being like a presence, like a ghost
Speaker 1: in a house. Uh, you know, like a possessing spirit
Speaker 1: or a resident spirit in a physical space. But to
Speaker 1: my mind, it's more like I feel like I've heard
Speaker 1: people talk about angels being aliens, about the idea of
Speaker 1: like a spirit, a positive spiritual presence that accompanies you.
Speaker 1: That's like the friendly aliens helping you in your life.
Speaker 1: I feel like that might be what Nicole has, the
Speaker 1: aliens who have evolved to the point where they can
Speaker 1: kind of be like spiritually present without being physical presences,
Speaker 1: or they're like trying to touch you from the other realm. Yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: I was just reading about I mean kind of related,
Speaker 1: but how children like Emily sent us something about you know,
Speaker 1: a child describing like a kind of ghost presence with
Speaker 1: the spiral tweet that was going around actually completely terrifying um.
Speaker 1: And even weirder, I think that whatever publication that was
Speaker 1: seemed like some kind of neighborhood newsletter or something was
Speaker 1: like here's a cute story from a child about the
Speaker 1: fourteen year old pregnant girl who haunts her in her
Speaker 1: house at night and hers her second mommy, uh, with
Speaker 1: yellow eyelashes. On the other hand, kids, do you say
Speaker 1: the darkest things? Well, I was looking into this and
Speaker 1: it says that that children. That one theory to explain
Speaker 1: why children might see ghosts more often is that they
Speaker 1: It's called the electromagnetic spectrum theory, or maybe that's just
Speaker 1: what I called it in my notes, but it says
Speaker 1: adult humans can only see four hundred to seven hundred
Speaker 1: and um whatever that is on the electromagnetic spectrum UV.
Speaker 1: A lightfalls just below visible light at four hundred to
Speaker 1: three fifteen. Infra red light falls just above at seven
Speaker 1: fifty to one. No idea what measurement this is, but
Speaker 1: it's basically like children. Young kids see things at three eighty,
Speaker 1: which is in the UV range, so their vision is
Speaker 1: actually different than adults. And theoretically, if spiritual presences were
Speaker 1: visible in that range, children could see them, but adults.
Speaker 1: So you're the egon I think maybe for today. I
Speaker 1: always thought Emily was the egon. Well I just I
Speaker 1: got I went very deep on this, but it's I
Speaker 1: mean it's interesting. I mean I think we'll trade off.
Speaker 1: It adds and flows. This is a night called listeners.
Speaker 1: You can tell us which Ghostbusters we are. Yea, we
Speaker 1: should probably put a pull out and figure it out, climber,
Speaker 1: but maybe Nicole. Guys, you know that they only made
Speaker 1: Ghostbusters Too because of the success of the Ghostbusters cartoon
Speaker 1: and the Ghostbusters action figures. Really, yeah, they were so
Speaker 1: successful that they made Ghostbusters too, and then they made
Speaker 1: it was a long gap, Yeah, it wasn't. They made
Speaker 1: Annie Pott's dress as her character from the cartoon, which
Speaker 1: is not what she looked like a Ghostbusters have no idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you went on this really deep Ghostbsters thing a while ago.
Speaker 1: Boston makes me feel good. Two is a lot more
Speaker 1: loosey goosey than one, which makes really good. It's a
Speaker 1: really late eighties movie in every way. But Bobby Brown,
Speaker 1: the Bobby Brown does the theme on our own, which
Speaker 1: is really good. And then he appears in the next
Speaker 1: frame after he's like, hey, the Ghostbusters, I love you guys.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I think we should have a final
Speaker 1: word for Nicole. She asked to second course. Sorry, I
Speaker 1: got on a Ghostbuster side track do you think it's
Speaker 1: possible that Nicole is not haunted malevolently? Is she visited
Speaker 1: by Invisible Grace? Well, I mean it could be a
Speaker 1: kind of like kind of more of a like an
Speaker 1: arrival Aliens type situation where it's not like they're here
Speaker 1: to really announce them bells, but they're more just sort
Speaker 1: of gathering data and as an as a benign presence
Speaker 1: and just sort of like installing themselves and collecting information.
Speaker 1: And they just happened to have chosen her house as
Speaker 1: as a steak out point. Um. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: that would be money. Let me say this is that
Speaker 1: if I were an alien, especially if I were running
Speaker 1: a simulation, right, I would definitely be visiting the cast
Speaker 1: of the Jersey Shore more than anyone else. If I
Speaker 1: wanted to take a temperature track on culture, if I
Speaker 1: were from another planet, that's what I would watch almost exclusively.
Speaker 1: It's been it's been long enough for um for the
Speaker 1: radio waves from Jersey Shore's first season, uh, at least
Speaker 1: to reach the nearest star system. Yeah. I think it's
Speaker 1: been I think six years is the amount of time
Speaker 1: so I but not long enough for it to come back.
Speaker 1: So they would have to have some kind of um
Speaker 1: faster than light speed travel in order to get like
Speaker 1: they would have to the sequence of events that have
Speaker 1: to be They saw the first season of Jersey Shore.
Speaker 1: They didn't finish it. They watched like two episodes and like,
Speaker 1: we've got to go check this out. Hopped in there
Speaker 1: faster than light speed travel, came to Earth and by
Speaker 1: that point, it's, uh, snooky has a show on audio
Speaker 1: Boom and what what are the what are the odds
Speaker 1: that that's snooky? Might herself be a Gray was left
Speaker 1: here as a child by the Grays. I think we
Speaker 1: need more information for that. If anyone is human, it's snooky,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Fine, I'm just saying what
Speaker 1: it was like an et situation where somebody leaves you
Speaker 1: on a planet and then you're trying to get home,
Speaker 1: and she's the only person who wouldn't be body snatched,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, she's Well, maybe the aliens, I mean,
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Speaker 1: of women making making away from themselves in the big city,
Speaker 1: or the Jersey Shore, or wherever the case may be.
Speaker 1: On the East Coast, on the East Coast. Um. A
Speaker 1: story came out in in New York magazine Today UM
Speaker 1: about the fake heiress Anna Delvy, Anna Delvy, that was her?
Speaker 1: That was her, Anna Serroken think she was. She claimed
Speaker 1: to be from some German unspecified wealthy German family, but
Speaker 1: was in fact it turned out to be from a
Speaker 1: kind of middle class Russian family. Um. And she basically
Speaker 1: ran a scam that spanned a couple of years at
Speaker 1: least in New York, where she was just hanging out
Speaker 1: with the moneyed classes of New York and staying in
Speaker 1: a fancy hotels and soho and not paying her bill
Speaker 1: and just kind of floating on this claim that she was,
Speaker 1: um a lady of means and wanted to open an
Speaker 1: arts club. It's a pretty great story. It's it reads
Speaker 1: like it wants to be adapted into a movie. And
Speaker 1: I'm almost certain that it was saying she's in jail
Speaker 1: now she's at Rikers, which is also a free place
Speaker 1: for her scam your way all the way to free
Speaker 1: room and board. Yeah, she she was in Rikers and
Speaker 1: she was very luck Yeah, it's fun, it's okay. She
Speaker 1: was like weirdly chill about it, which was sort of funny,
Speaker 1: but testsa saying there's actually a Vandity Fair story about
Speaker 1: because one of the people, one of the people she
Speaker 1: screwed over who had to like when she couldn't pay
Speaker 1: for um, some vacation somewhere I think. I think it
Speaker 1: was when she went to Morocco or something and she
Speaker 1: couldn't hear bill and she was there with the somebody
Speaker 1: in a Vanity Fair um photo editor, um who paid
Speaker 1: a who put the bill for them on her like
Speaker 1: company card or something, her company mmex, somebody who worked
Speaker 1: for Vanity Fair did it, yeah, and then wrote about
Speaker 1: it the most Vanity Fair story I've ever heard. Two
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, which apparently it was as much as she
Speaker 1: got paid in a year. And she said that she
Speaker 1: kind of didn't think twice about putting up the money
Speaker 1: because she because because she was like, this is gonna
Speaker 1: make a great Vanity Fair story, right right. I mean
Speaker 1: this was like something like two years me. Like all
Speaker 1: Vanity Fair fast stories are about people scamming rich people
Speaker 1: or rich people murdering their wives. It was a very
Speaker 1: honest account, other than a couple of times where it
Speaker 1: was like she really brought out these good traits in me,
Speaker 1: like she wasn't perfect, but her honesty made me think
Speaker 1: she was a good friend. But also she paid for
Speaker 1: everything and it's like to put that just like let's
Speaker 1: not be sid It was also like she was like
Speaker 1: her spontaneity and exactly like as a whole, it was
Speaker 1: I mean a pretty like she earned that the right
Speaker 1: to write that profile. It was pretty intense. Well, what
Speaker 1: struck me about the cut story was just how it
Speaker 1: seemed like nobody actually liked her at all. Well, because
Speaker 1: she was apparently really rude. She would she would say
Speaker 1: classes things like she was really blunt and kind of
Speaker 1: like socially awkward and would just sort of like pay
Speaker 1: people off to hang around, and all of those things
Speaker 1: just make her more believably upper class exactly. Well, here's
Speaker 1: the thing, though, so many of the things that she
Speaker 1: was dropping money on I felt seemed a little basic,
Speaker 1: like at least they were the kinds of things that
Speaker 1: I would do if I was pretending to be upper
Speaker 1: class person, like with my knowledge of things that rich
Speaker 1: people do, which I'm sure that they're like like she
Speaker 1: got a private jet through Blade, which is like they
Speaker 1: do like helicopter rides and stuff here in New York.
Speaker 1: It's but it's like a thing that you know I
Speaker 1: would get press releases for because it was supposed to
Speaker 1: be like the Uber of helicopters, and now Uber has helicopters,
Speaker 1: but um, I don't think i'd trust an Uber helicopter
Speaker 1: driver the well. I think the whole thing is that
Speaker 1: she was a rich person renter. So it's like she
Speaker 1: was staying at all of these posh hotels and and
Speaker 1: apparently going to these meetings with real estate agents, but
Speaker 1: always kind of like flaking at the last minute, being like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm really interested in this really nice penhouse, I have
Speaker 1: to go maybe scam while it worked. And also the
Speaker 1: sort of like pan European nobody knows where the money
Speaker 1: comes from, saying it's like totally it's in a U
Speaker 1: b S account someone, Yeah, it's very believable. I was
Speaker 1: just gonna say it's a very good piece of performance,
Speaker 1: or if you want to you it is that just
Speaker 1: because everybody who looks stupid as a result of this,
Speaker 1: I don't feel too bad about because it's just yeah,
Speaker 1: I was saying, like I don't care about her scamming
Speaker 1: like hotels or rich people, but she also scammed like
Speaker 1: desk clerks and stuff. And that's where I was like,
Speaker 1: she's a sociopath, you know. Well, it's like it's like
Speaker 1: when somebody is not nice to you, but they've spend
Speaker 1: their money on you, and then when they whoops, can't
Speaker 1: find their credit card and you have to pay like
Speaker 1: three bill for dinner. I just love that that so
Speaker 1: many people made that excuse for her when she couldn't
Speaker 1: pay for something anything that like for you or I
Speaker 1: if we showed up somewhere like whoops, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like none of my credit cards are working. Here's a
Speaker 1: book full of credit card numbers, by the way, run that.
Speaker 1: Everybody's just like, oh, she has so much money, she
Speaker 1: doesn't know what to do with that. She doesn't know
Speaker 1: who else would like that borrows sixty dollars. Well, but
Speaker 1: the interesting thing was so with the trip with Morocco,
Speaker 1: the way that she found herself on the hook for
Speaker 1: sixty the friend who wrote the piece was because um
Speaker 1: Anna got there, had rented out like you know, this
Speaker 1: villa and like a five star hotel that came with
Speaker 1: like a maid and all of this stuff, and then
Speaker 1: basically said that her card had been declined. And they
Speaker 1: were almost like held hostage at this hotel until someone
Speaker 1: put up a card. But also what was interesting is
Speaker 1: that the writer said that at one point Anna Payp
Speaker 1: held her five thousand dollars and the way that you know,
Speaker 1: Anna had had any money to spend, because she did
Speaker 1: have some cash, Like you know, throughout the piece, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: she took us to this fancy club and had bottle
Speaker 1: service and she paid the tab and it was fine.
Speaker 1: Was some like really complicated or maybe just really complicated
Speaker 1: to me who doesn't understand it way of cashing bad
Speaker 1: checks and then getting like a loan back and having
Speaker 1: the cash and taking out all the cash. So but
Speaker 1: it's like yourself though with yourself. And so she was
Speaker 1: impressed by the like level of it. Yeah, wow, this
Speaker 1: takes planning. But what was weird was the writer was like,
Speaker 1: she gave me five thousand dollars, which it's like, why
Speaker 1: do that at all? And she and she said it
Speaker 1: didn't even seem like her mark, because it's like that
Speaker 1: you trust that person that they have money if somebody
Speaker 1: gives you five thousand dollars. And everybody wants to flatter
Speaker 1: themselves that they're in the social circle of this European heiress, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, to to admit that maybe you've been duped
Speaker 1: is not just the humiliation of being duped, it's also like, oh,
Speaker 1: your life is that much less exciting. It's very believable
Speaker 1: that she blended it, and she just went so far
Speaker 1: as like a sort of unassuming looking white girl who
Speaker 1: was like, I'm from Europe and like, I don't remember who,
Speaker 1: but someone on Twitter said that they could tell that
Speaker 1: she wasn't rich because she didn't do her hair. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: she didn't have that rich girl hair that all rich
Speaker 1: girls have. But to me, I saw it and I
Speaker 1: was like, that's such rich girl hair that she's like
Speaker 1: going against rich girl. Somebody else was like, oh think
Speaker 1: how far she could have gotten. She was like more hot,
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, being sort of like basic
Speaker 1: worked in her favor because it made her just look
Speaker 1: sort of like rich in European. It's pretty well. It
Speaker 1: put me in the whole story where you put me
Speaker 1: in in big time nostalgia mode for Carrie Farrell, the
Speaker 1: hipster Grifter, which was like a real, a real golden
Speaker 1: age of of blogging story that I feel like everybody
Speaker 1: who was around the internet, or had a job where
Speaker 1: you just read the internet older remembers fondly. Um, but
Speaker 1: that was a very different scale and that you know
Speaker 1: that one also simultaneously like the best grifts like shed
Speaker 1: an interesting light on the milieu on which which is
Speaker 1: being drifted. Yeah, because she wasn't asking for that much money.
Speaker 1: She like, she only asked her first off in smalling crimins,
Speaker 1: and she like she just wanted to job vice like
Speaker 1: or like, I don't know, like very humble, humble things.
Speaker 1: Where is she now? I wonder. I think she's in
Speaker 1: jail in Utah, or maybe she's not in jail anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but she was, you should be let
Speaker 1: out of jail. Yeah, she said, it's not that much money,
Speaker 1: I think, and a whole it was like sixty dollars,
Speaker 1: which is just how much Anna took from the Vanity
Speaker 1: Fair photo editor. So, I don't know, have you guys
Speaker 1: ever been grifted? We wanted to talk about if we
Speaker 1: have our own grifting experiences or if we're unscammable. I've
Speaker 1: never been well, I don't know. I feel like I
Speaker 1: have good scamming radar um. But then there was this
Speaker 1: company that was like trying to get me to, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, to work with them on some film,
Speaker 1: and I thought I had such I had such a
Speaker 1: red alert alert go off. And this was like in
Speaker 1: two thousand nine. I just felt like everything was a scam.
Speaker 1: Then UM, and I you know, didn't end up working
Speaker 1: with them. But then I saw some out of theirs
Speaker 1: in like Vogue or something just like this jewelry company,
Speaker 1: So I don't know, maybe they were for real, but
Speaker 1: I had a bad vibe test. What about you? Have
Speaker 1: you ever been drifted? I was there was an attempted grift,
Speaker 1: but it was a pyramid scheme with health juice type drink, uh,
Speaker 1: with some people I was working with, and they wanted
Speaker 1: me to buy like a case of it and UH,
Speaker 1: and I agreed because I find myself always agreeing to
Speaker 1: like pretty much everything in the moment and then just
Speaker 1: being like, what have I done? So I got home
Speaker 1: and then UM lied and said I had had an
Speaker 1: allergic reaction to the drink and got out of it.
Speaker 1: But um, some like multi level marketing schemes have have
Speaker 1: come my way, but I've never like actually succumbed. What
Speaker 1: about you? How you tempted? You know? Um? I was
Speaker 1: telling you I was like a little bit hipster drifted
Speaker 1: by a girl I was sort of friends with who
Speaker 1: was living in a house with a bunch of people,
Speaker 1: and she was living in the basement, and I think
Speaker 1: had promised she would pay rent and then sort of
Speaker 1: was like, I don't need to pay and I live
Speaker 1: in the basement. Uh. But she came and lived on
Speaker 1: my couch and just said they had kicked her out
Speaker 1: for no reason. And I think I under stay on
Speaker 1: my couch for a month. Uh. And then she found
Speaker 1: a guy to date whose couch she could stay on.
Speaker 1: But I was saying I was also like at that point,
Speaker 1: I was like in my early and hasn't lived in
Speaker 1: this like really big house that had the whole floor
Speaker 1: that like none of us ever spent any time in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that, Um there's something about that where it's
Speaker 1: similar to just a regular It's similar to a regular
Speaker 1: kind of grift in which has a sense of your
Speaker 1: weaknesses or what you you need in life, whether it
Speaker 1: be like more friends or like a person to work
Speaker 1: on your projects with or something. And it sucks because
Speaker 1: it makes you um on guard about people, like because
Speaker 1: I've definitely since my experience with that, Like any any
Speaker 1: time somebody gives me the same vibe, it's just it's
Speaker 1: just like, are you what do you want from me
Speaker 1: right now? Which is just not the way that you
Speaker 1: should react to somebody being nice to know. But sometimes
Speaker 1: you get a vibe from somebody early on that turns
Speaker 1: out to be true. Yeah, but you just don't want
Speaker 1: to be true. Um. Yeah, Well, guys, don't get grifted
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, don't get grifted. Be careful, be carefu.
Speaker 1: Uh do you only DoD background checks? But at least
Speaker 1: you know, Um, look up people's top biz email ad. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: we were gonna take one more nightcall, my nightcall. This
Speaker 1: is Jeremy from Ventura. Uh. It's currently to seventeen AM.
Speaker 1: I just got done playing a campaign of my favorite
Speaker 1: nineties video game, Age of Empires too, and I was
Speaker 1: wondering if you guys had any favorite video games from
Speaker 1: the nineties or earlier. If you do, um, I want
Speaker 1: to hear about then. All right, I'm gonna go to
Speaker 1: sleep now. Good night, Good night, Thanks Jeremy from Ventura.
Speaker 1: I don't think what is not a nice call? What
Speaker 1: a great question? Uh, Tess was gonna bring up Emily's
Speaker 1: piece about miss Yes, well, Missed was what there was
Speaker 1: just a CD rum game. It was it was, it
Speaker 1: was a computer game. I don't know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I know, I just mean it was how many years?
Speaker 1: Because you did it something for the anniversary? Yeah yeah
Speaker 1: it was yeah wow. Um but yeah, Missed is pretty
Speaker 1: much the best. But I've also been playing a ton
Speaker 1: of Tetris pro Tetris yeah um um oh. A footnote
Speaker 1: about that miss pieces that like it's actually I realized
Speaker 1: this after I did it. Like that, year ninety three
Speaker 1: is like the last great year of Seattle in many
Speaker 1: many ways. It's the beginning. It's the first season of
Speaker 1: Fraser starts then, and it's also when in Utero. It's
Speaker 1: really Sattle. I look forward to you writing this piece.
Speaker 1: It's a very busy there was one good year left. Um.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say my favorite video I have a
Speaker 1: lot of favorite video games. I like Stupid and Endo
Speaker 1: games like Mario Kart, like all your Mario's uh dr Mario.
Speaker 1: But I really liked RPGs. Those are my my favorite games.
Speaker 1: I liked. Earthbound was my favorite game. David got really
Speaker 1: into earth Band. It's great, mystical Ninja, UM just kind
Speaker 1: of all the Yeah, I mostly just played all I
Speaker 1: all I really did video game wise. The only console
Speaker 1: I ever owned was the PS one in the nineties.
Speaker 1: Um and I don't even remember if that was in
Speaker 1: the nineties or maybe it was two thousand by then
Speaker 1: by the time I had it. But I definitely played
Speaker 1: those like PlayStation era Final Fantasy games. That's about all
Speaker 1: that I did, um Final Fantasies in general in life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what's a fun thing to have is the
Speaker 1: retro Freak. The retro Freak has been really awesome for
Speaker 1: all your retro gaming needs. That's how I've been playing Tetris,
Speaker 1: and they have like a bunch of different kinds of Tetris,
Speaker 1: but the one that I've been playing is the Tetris
Speaker 1: and Dr Mario Bundle um, which is like the year
Speaker 1: real old school of Tetris. We were playing we the
Speaker 1: other day. My brother gave me a week a while
Speaker 1: ago when you can download old games for the Wei
Speaker 1: Adventure Island. We downloaded and I was like, oh, this
Speaker 1: makes me feel like I'm in my cousin's basement playing
Speaker 1: the first Nintendo ever. You guys were talking about Katamari Domassey,
Speaker 1: which is not not a nineties game strictly, but definitely
Speaker 1: like a yeah, a game that we all love. I
Speaker 1: play the soundtrack for Katamari Domassy every time I'm cooking
Speaker 1: dinner pretty much at least for like just two minutes,
Speaker 1: just to get into the mode. I think it feels
Speaker 1: like a nineties game because it feels like a very
Speaker 1: nineties Japanese pop culture game, like the vibe is very
Speaker 1: like it's very much like a Cornelius vibe. You just
Speaker 1: ru music and everything we all like to rolling through.
Speaker 1: Night roll, night roll, Um, Well, night callers, we would
Speaker 1: love for you to call in and tell us your
Speaker 1: face were video games and what griffs you think UH
Speaker 1: should be pulled in the future. Oh and if you've
Speaker 1: been if you've been scammed, and if you have like
Speaker 1: a really spell binding scamming story, please pass it on.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, please tell us your stories of getting scammed
Speaker 1: or scamming, but don't incriminate yourself. Or if you were
Speaker 1: a scammerer and you want to tell us your story,
Speaker 1: we don't have to identify you, just let us know. Um,
Speaker 1: if you're the ice cream truck ghost, please call it please,
Speaker 1: but don't kill us, just kill us, just don't abduct,
Speaker 1: just visit us like a friendly, friendly flock of grace exactly. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: that does it for this week's Nightcall. Thank you so
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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, everybody. We'll see you next week. Don't
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