1 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: This is Gavin Newsom and this is doctor Phil McGrath. Well, 2 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on, doctor Phil, and it's I've 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: been eager to have this conversation because I've been watching 4 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: a number of your conversations. You've been having very public conversations, 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: but also just in the media and obviously now with 6 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: your own new Merritt Street media enterprise. It's really interesting 7 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: to read the punditry and try to read between the lines. 8 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: What's doctor Phil up to? Is this a big shift 9 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: to the right or is he just self actualizing a 10 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 1: little bit more in terms of his personal points of view? 11 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: Or is it completely consistent with the person we watched 12 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: for twenty one years on Daytime TV. What's your overall 13 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: sentiment around the independent analysis of pun entry about all 14 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: things doctor Phil? 15 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 2: Right now, Well, you know, Governor, I'm glad you asked 16 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: that question because I have to say I'm probably the 17 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 2: least political person I know, although I have certainly been 18 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 2: painted with that brush of late and not completely hard 19 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:28,919 Speaker 2: to understand. But and I say that I'm not political 20 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 2: because I deal with cultural issues, psychosocial issues, and I 21 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: differentiate that from politics because frankly, I'm not very sophisticated 22 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: in the political arena. I don't know a lot about it, 23 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 2: you know. I can watch that after school special about 24 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: how a bill becomes a law in all of that, 25 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: and I learned something every time I watch it again, 26 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: and I'm not I'm not. That's not false humility. I 27 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: really don't understand politics. I certainly don't understand geopolitics on 28 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 2: the international stage, and I really don't seek to. I 29 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: really am focusing on cultural issues, and politicians talk about 30 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 2: cultural issues a lot, and so that creates an intersection 31 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 2: of content and values. And to me, when I'm focusing 32 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: on those issues, those values, I could care less whether 33 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: somebody is a Democrat or a Republican. I'm not sure 34 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: there's a whole lot of difference when we really boil 35 00:02:54,520 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 2: it down to where people really stand. I don't think 36 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 2: we're nearly as divided as I think the legacy media 37 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: would lead us to believe we are. And so really, 38 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: I'm of a strong belief that the strength of any culture, 39 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 2: any society lies in the family. And I think family 40 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: and family values have been under attack in America. I 41 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 2: wrote a book in two thousand and four called Family First, 42 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: and I said in that book that I thought family 43 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: in America was under attack, and I certainly think family 44 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: values have been increasingly under attack. And admittedly a lot 45 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: of that attack I think is coming from the extreme left, 46 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: from what I think are the what I call the 47 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: tyranny of the fringe. It's not really mainstream America on 48 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: either side of the aisle. I think it's from really 49 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: extreme activists, and I don't think they really represent the 50 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: mainstream on either side of the aisle. So I think 51 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: it's I think we've got the tail wagon the dog 52 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 2: on a lot of these cultural issues. To tell you 53 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: the truth, I appreciate it. 54 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: I want to go back to you your consistency on 55 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: the notion of family and the challenges there. And I'm 56 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: curious just you know, over the last few decades, I 57 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: imagine people tried to pull you in twenty years ago, 58 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: pull you into their campaigns, pull you into their rallies, 59 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: pull you into their point of view. You know, were 60 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: you were you tempted ten years ago to find your 61 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: way into this or if you really always tried to 62 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: sort of maintain a status above and you know, sort 63 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: of separate and above. 64 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 2: I've always tried to stay out of it. You know, 65 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 2: people made a lot of it when I went to 66 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: the Trump rally at Madison Square Garden, you know, this 67 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 2: time around. But if people listen to what I said, 68 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 2: I started my comments and remarks during that appearance by saying, 69 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: I'm not here to endorse President Trump. I don't agree 70 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:33,559 Speaker 2: with everything he says or everything he does. I said. 71 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: The first things out of my mouth. If you go 72 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 2: back and listen to what I said, is I'm not 73 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: here to endorse him. I don't agree with everything he 74 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 2: says and does. What I don't like is people bullying 75 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: those and ostracizing those who do support and say they're 76 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 2: going to vote for him. And I said, I'll give 77 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 2: this identical speech at a Harris rally and volunteered to 78 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: do so. And they actually contacted me and talk to 79 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 2: me about doing exactly that, and I said, absolutely, let 80 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: me know when, let me know where. I gave them 81 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: all the contact information to set it up, and then 82 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 2: they didn't follow up on it after that. But I 83 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 2: wanted to speak at that one of those events as well. 84 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 2: I think we need to talk to each other. I 85 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: think we need a dialogue that we're not having and 86 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 2: if we stay in our bubble. I don't think we're 87 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 2: ever going to get a unity in this country. 88 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: And I appreciate that. I will say, having listened to 89 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: the speech, I don't think you would have referred to 90 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: Kamala as a tough old boot. 91 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't have done that. I would changed that line, 92 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 2: for sure, change it. 93 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: There'd be a few lines by the way. 94 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: Was that was it? 95 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: Was it the President himself reached out directly to you 96 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: to get you to speak at that rally, or was 97 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: it members of the campaign team. Were they aggressively seeking 98 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: your participation? 99 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: They were? And you know, I had already interviewed President Trump, 100 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: and I've known him for twenty years. I haven't spent 101 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 2: a lot of time with him, but I've known him 102 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: for a long time, and i'd interviewed him for my 103 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 2: show in the past and had known him, like I say, 104 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: not well, but had known him personally away from television 105 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 2: and away from all that. But his team asked me 106 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 2: to come and interview him. And I had asked to 107 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: interview him when he was during running his campaign, and 108 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: he agreed, And then they asked me to make an 109 00:07:53,520 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: appearance there and I said I would, but I'll decide 110 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: what I say, and it will probably be different from 111 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 2: what you hear from everybody else. And they said, that's okay. 112 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: They agree, No, well, it's I mean, it's it's you know, 113 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: the answer is no unless you ask. And I certainly 114 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: appreciate the fact that they were able to diversify the 115 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: number of voices that were participating in not only those rallies, 116 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: but you know, some a little more toxic than others, 117 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: including at that rally sort of infamously. 118 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: But some how about you are you going to run 119 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 2: in twenty eight. 120 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: Just you're jumping right into that. I want to jump 121 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: first though, into what you just launched, which was Merritt 122 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: Street Media. And so after twenty one ridiculously successful years 123 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: running your own show, you decided to move and did 124 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: this pivot, and you did it as well writing a 125 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: book that goes to a lot of the issues that 126 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: you're raising, including on the issue of family, called We've 127 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: Got Issues. But tell us a little bit more, because 128 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: I'm not sure everybody is fully familiar with this larger 129 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: media company, not just sort of the work you're doing 130 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: as a host yourself, but what you're trying to achieve 131 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: it in Merritt Street. 132 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I did spend twenty one years at CBS, 133 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 2: and I have to say it's was a wonderful experience 134 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 2: and I made wonderful relationships at CBS. It'll forever be 135 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 2: a warm place in my heart. And got nothing but 136 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 2: good things to say about my experience there. I was 137 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: led their daytime lineup. Of course, it was syndicated, so 138 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 2: they weren't all CBS stations, but that was my primary 139 00:09:52,000 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 2: station group. I had great primetime shows on CBS as well, 140 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 2: and they're working on some with them now we're still 141 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 2: in business together. But I wanted to do more than that. 142 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 2: I felt like an hour a day was not enough 143 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 2: time to really do the things that I felt like 144 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 2: I wanted to do because I was not comfortable and 145 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 2: was very troubled by a lot of what I was 146 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: seeing going on in this country. And I'll tell you 147 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: a story. I was sitting in our kitchen in California, 148 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: where we were living at the time, and I was 149 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: flipping back and forth. Robin and I were sitting there 150 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 2: having dinner, and we were kind of flipping back and 151 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 2: forth and going from one kind of news channel to 152 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 2: another news channel to another news channel, and I was 153 00:10:55,080 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 2: really frustrated by saying, you know, this is so much propaganda, 154 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 2: so much spin, you can't really tell. You'd be on 155 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 2: one channel and flip to another and they're talking about 156 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 2: the same events or incidents, and you can't even tell 157 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 2: they're talking about the same thing. Amen, because they're spending 158 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 2: it so much. Yep. And I said, you know, this 159 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 2: just drives me crazy. The media is driving me crazy. 160 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 2: Why won't they just tell you what happened? And without 161 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: even looking up dinner, she said, well, why don't you 162 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 2: do something about it? You are the media, And she said, 163 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: your ratings are bigger than both of them combined. Why 164 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 2: don't you do something about it? And that was really 165 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 2: the genesis of it, because I wanted to own the 166 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: debate lane in America. I wanted to have a platform 167 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: where I could bring two sides together, or three sides 168 00:11:54,160 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 2: or four sides if necessary, to give people the facts 169 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 2: and let them make up their own mind. And you know, 170 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 2: because it's such a big issue in California, homelessness, for example, 171 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 2: there are more than two sides to homelessness. People have 172 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: different theories about how to resolve this. You know, why 173 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 2: is housing so expensive? Do you do home first? Or 174 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: do you work on getting people back on their feet 175 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 2: and they earn their right to be given housing and 176 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 2: shelter or is that a fundamental human right? You know, 177 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 2: there are different sides to those issues. You think, well, 178 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 2: you know, how could you be debating over that? But 179 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 2: they're hugely passionate different sides on even that issue. And 180 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: I do give both sides a chance to talk about that, 181 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 2: and we have great and intelligent decisions. You know. Right now, 182 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 2: this is Israeli Palestinian conflict. I've taken very bold positions 183 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 2: on that, and it is astounding to me. I'm hearing 184 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 2: things on our college campuses that I never thought I 185 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 2: would hear in my lifetime. The anti Semitism that I'm 186 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 2: hearing and I have given a platform to. At one 187 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 2: time it was pro Palestinian, now it's pro Hamas. Is 188 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: just straight up demonstrations in favor of a terrorist group 189 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 2: that has killed forty eight Americans since its formation in 190 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 2: the early nineteen eighties. And I find that difficult to understand. 191 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 2: How we have young American. 192 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: Students violating the two conflating. 193 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 2: Protesting for Hamas, which is a terrorist group that has 194 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 2: killed Americans and until recently was holding American hostages. They 195 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 2: still have four that are not alive, but the last 196 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 2: American hostage was just released in he Don Alexander and 197 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: I spoke with his parents the next morning on the 198 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 2: air and had a wonderful celebratory interview with them. And 199 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 2: I'm hearing things on these campuses that tell me that 200 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 2: we're just not teaching critical thinking among our young people anymore, 201 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 2: and that's very troubling to me. So and I've given 202 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 2: a voice to those and been criticized for given a 203 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 2: voice to the pro Palestinian pro Hamas side, but I 204 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: think people need to hear what they think and how 205 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: committed they are and how misguided I believe they are. 206 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 2: But I do give them a voice so people understand 207 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 2: what we're up against. 208 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: Not that I've stress tested what you've been saying along 209 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: these lines, not specific to the conflict in the Middle East, 210 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: but more broadly about trying to find a lane of 211 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: a little bit more balance. I watched specifically your one 212 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: hundred day analysis of the Trump administration, and I thought 213 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: it was extraordinarily fair. You made some points that were, 214 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, were very not revelatory to me, but I 215 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: thought important to make, particularly on the issue of immigration, 216 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: of which you've received criticism. At the same time, you're 217 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: hardly anti immigrant, but you made a point on that 218 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: One hundred Day show that I think underscores the point 219 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,359 Speaker 1: you're trying to make, and that is what is omitted 220 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: often in our discourse, particularly in some of these platforms 221 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: and these cable shows, is the fact that the Biden 222 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: administration was deporting has been at least through a period 223 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: that marked I think around February more people being deported 224 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: on the Biden administration, even the Trump administration, not something 225 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: you see necessarily on some of these cable shows in 226 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: order to sort of highlight and reinforce the importance of 227 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: not just misinformation or disinformation, but what is omitted from 228 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: our conversation. 229 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 2: Now. Listen, we're embedded with ICE and they've allowed us 230 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 2: full access at Merit TV. And let me tell you, 231 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 2: when I say full access, there are no guidelines now there. 232 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 2: To be completely fair, there are some rules in terms 233 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 2: of not disclosing certain investigatory techniques that they have, but 234 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 2: other than not disclosing things that might put agents' lives 235 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 2: in danger, there are no rules. We can show every case. 236 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 2: They're not cherry pick cases. And we're able to show 237 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: everything that is going on. And I just watched the 238 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 2: MISCA characterization, and I've come to know Tom Homan very well. 239 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 2: This is a very sincere and compassionate man. And they 240 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 2: have three primary goals. Number one is the worst. First, 241 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 2: they talk about these cable networks, talk about their going 242 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 2: in and sweeping neighborhoods and kind of anybody with a 243 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 2: ten is subject to getting picked up. That is absolutely 244 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 2: not true. I have seen that they are going after 245 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 2: the worst. First, that they build a file, they know 246 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 2: where these people are, they know what they're guilty of doing, 247 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 2: and they target them. These are targeted arrest warrants that 248 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 2: they're executing and taking these people out. So that's their 249 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 2: number one goal. They wanted to close the border. They've 250 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 2: effectively done that. And then number three is to find 251 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 2: them missing children, because there are hundreds of thousands of 252 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 2: children that have gone missing. Many are known to be 253 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 2: sold into the sex trade or the forced labor trade, 254 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 2: and those children need to be rescued. Now, some of 255 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 2: them have found their way to family that is already here, 256 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: but I fear there are probably a couple of hundred 257 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 2: thousand that are being forced into lives that are horrendous 258 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 2: and that they don't want to be in, and those 259 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 2: are their three primary objectives. And I hear they're just 260 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 2: outright misinformation about what they're doing. And if you've seen 261 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 2: interviews I've done with Tom Homan, I ask him straight up, 262 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 2: are you raiding schools and taking children out of school 263 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 2: so they can be deported? Are you sitting on doctors' 264 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 2: offices and hospitals to catch these people when they go 265 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 2: to get healthcare? Or are you going after the worst first? 266 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 2: And I asked the hard questions and they give me 267 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 2: straight up answers and the support for those answers. I'm 268 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 2: very pro immigration. Look, our birth rate has dropped below 269 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:20,239 Speaker 2: what we need infrastructure wise. I mean to sustain our 270 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 2: infrastructure here, we need a birth rate of two point 271 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 2: one and we've dropped to a little below one point six. 272 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: We better get immigrants into this country. We need the talent, 273 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 2: we need, the diversity, we need the headcount and the 274 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 2: birth rate. We desperately need immigrants in this country. But 275 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: there's the right way and the wrong way to do it. 276 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 2: I look at America as my home, and I wouldn't 277 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 2: let anybody into my house if I didn't know who 278 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 2: they were, would you. I don't think anybody would. But 279 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 2: we've done that. We've let millions of people into this 280 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 2: country without knowing who they are, and clearly some of 281 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: those are on a terror watch list and they're here now. 282 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: And I think everything you said, dark phillis I think 283 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: the vast majority of people would find particularly rational. But 284 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: you have to acknowledge. And I don't say this lightly. 285 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: I say this with intimate familiarity. I mean, we've had 286 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: quote unquote wellness checks in the public schools. We've had 287 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: some folks that are going to immigration courts that are 288 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,719 Speaker 1: being picked up in and around immigration courts. There's been 289 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,479 Speaker 1: a chilling impact across the country, not just in states 290 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: like California, but a lot of day laborers picked up 291 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: in California way a federal judge intervene under a lawsuit 292 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: and actually admonished some of the border patrol for their 293 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: activities and respect to that or or ice. But I 294 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: do I do appreciate there's intensity of anxiety and a 295 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: lot of rhetoric that is thrown around that is not nuanced. 296 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: And I don't know that the president himself is aiding 297 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: and embedding and finding some common ground here uses some 298 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 1: pretty extreme language, which I think kind of chills the 299 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: conversation and chills I think our capacity to sort of 300 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: find some common ground on legitimate concerns around border security 301 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: and thoughtful and comprehensive strategies to get the best in 302 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: the brightest from around the world. 303 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 2: Well, I think there's the right way and the wrong 304 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 2: way to get into the country. And I don't think 305 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 2: these people are being picked up that are here legally, 306 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 2: And if they are here legally, then they don't have 307 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 2: anything to worry about. If they came in illegally, not 308 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 2: at a point of entry, then they are subject to 309 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 2: being removed. That in and of itself is a crime, 310 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 2: is it not? 311 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: No, And I'm not denying that, But are you asked? 312 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: I mean, and again, I'm now looking to get a 313 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: debate about immigration policy. I'm just seeing some nuance in 314 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: terms of the language, and I think some of the 315 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,719 Speaker 1: rhetoric and the reality on the ground. As someone that 316 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: is on the ground addressing some of that reality, it's 317 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: not just the worst first. It may be that may 318 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 1: be the policy, but that's not necessarily the practice as 319 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: it relates to those that are here without documentation. I mean, 320 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: you know, you've got folks from nuke Ingridge that was 321 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: supporting amnesty in nineteen eighty five, Reagan himself that did 322 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: the amnesty bill shortly thereafter, and U And obviously we've 323 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: got to address those that have been here for decades. 324 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: I don't imagine we want to get all of them 325 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: because they're quot on here illegally and send them and 326 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: support them all back. I'm not imagine you're arguing for that. 327 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 2: Well, but here's the thing if if, and let me 328 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 2: argue another side of this, We've got an immigration court 329 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 2: that is horribly dysfunctional. Yeap takes seven eight years. Yeah, 330 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 2: ridiculous court date, and that is a broken system. We 331 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 2: need to fix. 332 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: That one hundred percent. 333 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 2: When you've got somebody that maybe they have a legitimate reason, 334 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 2: a compelling reason to get out of their home country 335 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 2: for safety reasons, for fear of violence from gangs or whatever, 336 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 2: and so they make applications in the United States and 337 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 2: we say, great, you know, here's a here's a court 338 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 2: date in twenty thirty two. Well, I'm sorry, I got 339 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 2: people coming by my house threatening to cut off my 340 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 2: arms and legs on a daily basis. Twenty thirty two 341 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 2: doesn't really work for me. We've got to fix that. 342 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 2: I want one hundred percent acknowledge that. The other hand, 343 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 2: if we've got people that are here illegally, they're either 344 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 2: here legally or they're not here legally, and so we 345 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 2: have to take some ownership in the fact that we've 346 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 2: got a broken system for getting process into this country. 347 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 2: Doesn't change the fact that we have people that are 348 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 2: here illegally, and most of them are not fleeing they're 349 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: here fleeing violence. They're here for economic reasons, and this 350 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 2: is the greatest country in the world. Of course, if 351 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 2: I was in El Salvador or somewhere and had a 352 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 2: dirt floor and pennies a day for wages, would I 353 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 2: want to be in America? Of course I would want 354 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 2: to be in America. We've got to do some things 355 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 2: on our end to make this more functional. But I 356 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: agree with that, and I hate these sanctuary guidelines where 357 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 2: they will not cooperate with ICE agents to get someone 358 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:45,199 Speaker 2: that is currently in custody, which means they've broken the 359 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 2: law and local law enforcement has had reason to pick 360 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: them up and detain them. If you tell ICE about that, 361 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 2: and they can come get them and take them out. 362 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 2: At that point, you're going to have a whole lot 363 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 2: less of the people you're talking about get arrested when 364 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 2: they go into the community. Then you have one ice 365 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 2: agent on one bad actor and they're gone. If they 366 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 2: have to go into the neighborhood, they're going to arrest 367 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 2: that person and they're going to check everybody that's around them. 368 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 2: And that's as. 369 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: You knew, doctor Phil. I mean in California, I can 370 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: only speak for myself as governor. We've cooperated in that 371 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: respect with folks that are in custody in state prisons. 372 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: Over ten thousand specific gamples of that kind of cooperation. 373 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: So not a lot of daylight on that. I guess 374 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: I'm just more concerned about the larger rhetoric that everyone's 375 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: here quote unquote illegally, which I get on the technical terms, 376 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: but the notion of what the heck we do about it. 377 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: I agree with you on comprehensive need for a comprehensive reforms. 378 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: I think the asylum system is broken. There's been all 379 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 1: kinds of bills rejected by both parties to address this issue. 380 00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 1: There was a bipartisan immigration package that Rubio himself many 381 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: others support it to deal with immigration backlogs and judges 382 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: and address some of those concerns, but they seem to 383 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: get just watered down or eliminated because of the toxicity 384 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: of our politics. And that's my concern now is how 385 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: the hell do we soften that edge, which I think 386 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,719 Speaker 1: you want so we can find unity and common ground 387 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,479 Speaker 1: and unify the country, which you talk a lot about. 388 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: But how do we begin to do that in a 389 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: more rational way? I mean, I think rhetoric still matters, 390 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: does it not. 391 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 2: Words are powerful, Yeah, words are absolutely powerful. And you 392 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 2: know when I see things happening, and I see a 393 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 2: lot with the death threats and hate speech and rhetoric 394 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 2: that I get when I come out and condemn what 395 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 2: happened on October seventh in Israel. 396 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, and by the way, just for the record, I 397 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: flew to Israel right after the seventh and met with leadership. 398 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: We actually brought a hospital, a field hospital with us, 399 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: So I appreciate that condemnation. I want to make that clear. 400 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 2: Well, and I know you made that trip, and I 401 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 2: was so glad to see you do that. I spent 402 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 2: twenty one years in California, and I was proud to 403 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 2: see you take the initiative to do that because you 404 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 2: didn't have to do that. And when I say words 405 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 2: are powerful, but thank you for doing that, I didn't 406 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 2: finish my sentence thank you for doing that. I think 407 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 2: the rhetoric has gotten way out of control. When you 408 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 2: shoot two people on the street in Washington, d C. 409 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 2: A museum. You know Milgram, the young woman, she grew 410 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 2: up in over in Park, Kansas. I mean, this is 411 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 2: not an activist that is really out driving the story here. 412 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 2: And the young man was an Israeli Christian, for God's sakes, 413 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 2: and they kill these two people and then start yelling 414 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 2: free Palestine, Free Palestine. Can I say that that those 415 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 2: shootings were due to out of control and fiery rhetoric. 416 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 2: I have no proof for that, and I don't make 417 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 2: claims that I don't have empirical evidence to support it. 418 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 2: But common sense suggests that this kind of rhetoric that 419 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 2: people that maybe were deranged to begin with, marginalized to 420 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 2: begin with, looking for a cause celebrate. Uh. The same 421 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 2: individual was active with b l M before this, so 422 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 2: you know it was that the cause at the time. 423 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 2: Now this is the bandwagon that he that he's jumping on. 424 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 2: It just makes it easy for people to get involved 425 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 2: in and we've got to tone down the rhetoric. And 426 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 2: when you see you know, Harvard and Upin and Columbia University, 427 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 2: the leadership there not only con condoning but in some 428 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 2: ways I think enabling and empowering this. I think we've 429 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 2: lost our way. I mean, these people, these young people, 430 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 2: I think are being agitated from the outside as well 431 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 2: as the inside. And this isn't free speech, Governor, this 432 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 2: is this has gone beyond that when they're I was 433 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 2: on the UCLA campus when they took down the encampment 434 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 2: there and I talked to those protesters there and was 435 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 2: their hate speech, yes, but it was still speech. But 436 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 2: I also saw them surrounding Jewish students and not allowing 437 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 2: them to move across campus. Some were assaulted, they occupied 438 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 2: in defense, and vandalized buildings. 439 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: And by the way, doctor Phil, just for the record, 440 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: out of so much frustration, we had to send the 441 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: California Highway Patrol in because they were not enforcing these 442 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: laws and they were not protecting those students. So we 443 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: were very critical and I appreciate your critique of what 444 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: was happening on the UCLA campus. You're absolutely spot on. 445 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 2: Well, we were with law enforcement as they were staging 446 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 2: to go in and take them down. And I will 447 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 2: say this about all of the law enforcement agencies that 448 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 2: were doing this. I was speaking with them moments. You know. 449 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 2: They were staging a couple of miles away from the campus, 450 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 2: and they had their buses there and all the troops there, 451 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 2: and we were speaking the leadership over there at two 452 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 2: thirty three o'clock in the morning. That was I always, 453 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 2: trust me. 454 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: I was up at two thirty three in the morning 455 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: when we finally pulled the orders. 456 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was asking them, tell me what your plan 457 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,719 Speaker 2: is and what your number one objective is. And there 458 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: was nobody there but us, and they allowed me to 459 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 2: be there because they know how pro law enforcement I am, 460 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 2: how much I support their sacrifices that they make to 461 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 2: keep the rest of us safe. And every single one 462 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 2: of them, and I talked to them individually, you know, 463 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 2: forty fifty yards away from each other, they all said 464 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 2: the same thing. Our number one objective is that everybody 465 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 2: gets home safe tonight. You see LA students, the protesters, 466 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 2: all all of our officers, even these protesters that were 467 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 2: hurling these insults at them and calling them every name 468 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 2: in the book. Their number one objective was that those 469 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 2: people get home safe. They weren't say, oh, well, we're 470 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 2: going to win in there and kick some ass. No, no, no, 471 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 2: They said, with great sincerity, we just want everybody to 472 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 2: get home safe tonight. You know, tomorrow's another day. Let's 473 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 2: get everybody home safe tonight. And I said, will that happen? 474 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 2: They said, well, that depends on them. If they follow 475 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 2: our directions, then they'll get home safe tonight. The second 476 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 2: worst thing is we'll detain them and cite them and 477 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 2: then they'll get home safe. But we want everybody to 478 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 2: get home safe tonight. And I had such great respect 479 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 2: for them that there's number one, even the protesters. They 480 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 2: absolutely wanted them to get home safe. 481 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know they did it. They did a really 482 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: admirable job that night. And while there was a few 483 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: modest in sentences, they conducted themselves extraordinarily well in terms 484 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: of how they reacted to those incidents. It only reinforced 485 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: their stewardship, and not just on the UCLA campus, on 486 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: many other campuses, not just in California, of course, all 487 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: across this country. One of the things that you know, 488 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: I think it's the conversation we're having here around how 489 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: you work through these things and how we work through 490 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: our differences and how we find commonality. You began with 491 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: you opened up by saying you don't think our politics 492 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: is you think, you know, mainstream media sort of you know, 493 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: it sort of exacerbates the conditions this divisions that we're 494 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: not as far apart as we may appear. Tell me 495 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: a little bit more about what you're thinking. Is in 496 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: that respect you mean that more broadly about sort of 497 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: universal values of being loved and need to be loved, 498 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: being protected, connected, respected, or do you mean that on 499 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: issues like immigrat issues like human rights and social justice 500 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: are on what topics? 501 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 2: Look Conflict sells tickets. You know, if you're doing the 502 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 2: news and your lead headline is today at third and L, 503 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 2: nothing happened, that just doesn't sell tickets, right. But if 504 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 2: you can say today at third and L, chaos broke out. 505 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:34,240 Speaker 2: Throw to the throw to the video. Now, everybody turns 506 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 2: around and looks, and that's just kind of how we 507 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 2: have been shaped and fashioned into following the news. But 508 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 2: the truth of the matter is, I believe anytime I'm 509 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 2: negotiating with somebody, the first thing I do is say, look, 510 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 2: we've got differences. I agree with that. I think you 511 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 2: and I have some differences in the way we look 512 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 2: at things. But if we were going to try to 513 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 2: find some common ground, the first thing I would do 514 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 2: is say, you know, Governor, let's first talk about everything 515 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 2: we agree about. Let's talk about the things that we 516 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 2: agree about, because I think if we do that, we're 517 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 2: going to find that we're not near as divided or 518 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 2: different as we might think we are. And let's look 519 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 2: at it on a from a broad standpoint. If you 520 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 2: sit down with the most polarized folks and say, let's 521 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 2: talk about what we agree about. In America, everybody wants 522 00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 2: a safe and healthy country. Nobody would just disagree with that. 523 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 2: Everybody wants to leave a good, green, clean, prosperous country 524 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:15,760 Speaker 2: for our children. Nobody would disagree with that. Everybody wants 525 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 2: us to have a strong economy. Everybody would agree with that. 526 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 2: Everybody wants us to be a good leader in the 527 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 2: world and set a good example for other countries. Everybody 528 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 2: would agree with that. Now we might disagree about how 529 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 2: we go about achieving those things, but everybody would agree 530 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 2: with where we're trying to get and I think one 531 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 2: of the most critical days in this country's history was 532 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 2: nine to twelve, not nine to eleven. Nine to eleven 533 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,360 Speaker 2: was one of the darkest days in our history, of course, 534 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 2: but on nine to twelve, everybody woke up and we 535 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 2: were Americans first. There weren't Democrats, there weren't Republicans. We 536 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 2: were all Americans. And I just pray that something like 537 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 2: that doesn't have to happen again for people to remember that, Hey, 538 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 2: wait a minute, we're all wearing the same color jersey. 539 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 2: We may have some differences on issues, but we're all Americans, 540 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 2: and we all love this country and we all want 541 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 2: fundamentally the same things. And if we remember that first, 542 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,839 Speaker 2: then I think we have a foundation to work from, 543 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 2: a foundation to build on. And I pray we don't 544 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 2: need to be reminded of that by being under attack. 545 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 2: And I I think if we do remember that, if 546 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 2: we do take that approach and we go, hey, well, 547 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 2: we've really got something here to work on. You know, people, 548 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 2: I've I've followed you for a long time and there 549 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 2: are things that you know, people look at you and 550 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 2: you have kind of an affluent image, and all people 551 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 2: don't know that, and I learned one of the things 552 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,439 Speaker 2: that you and I have in common is we both 553 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 2: come from pretty poor backgrounds. I've had to work real 554 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 2: early in our lives, and we shared some common difficult 555 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 2: experiences early in life of trying to make it and 556 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 2: and get by and find this job and then that job. 557 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,919 Speaker 2: And when I learned those things about you several years ago, 558 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I said, you know, I understand 559 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 2: how he's gotten where he is because this guy understands 560 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 2: hard work and putting the time in to get where 561 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 2: he's going. And my whole opinion changed when I learned 562 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 2: some of those things. And there are things that I 563 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 2: disagree with you on. I disagreed with you on some 564 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 2: of the things you did concerning COVID and shutting things 565 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 2: down and how long and this, that and the other. 566 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 2: But I didn't have questions about your intention, your choices. 567 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 2: And I always knew that this was something I could 568 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 2: sit down and talk to you about because I knew 569 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 2: that you knew the value of hard work and what 570 00:39:53,880 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 2: families put in and how important it was. I felt 571 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 2: like people don't take time to find out who they're 572 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 2: talking to, what there and what their values 573 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: Are and tune in for our continued conversation with doctor 574 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 1: Phil