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Speaker 2: I'm not looking for that. I'm seeing who getting buckets.

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Speaker 3: I didn't think he should have been top seventy five.

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Speaker 2: Rules are rules, bro, Come on.

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Speaker 3: Rules are meant to be broken, Bro.

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Speaker 4: I will not get tired of being by what the

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Speaker 4: magic has done this year.

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Speaker 1: He can't be the best player on your championship team

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Speaker 1: right now, And I said that about him, I said

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Speaker 1: that about Lebron, also saying that about Curry.

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Speaker 4: Right now, it feels like the coach hates the players

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Speaker 4: and the players hate him back.

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Speaker 2: We want to see the ball go through the what's

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Speaker 2: the dops? You got the games? Put the ball in

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Speaker 2: the home.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen to the Ladies Edition of

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Speaker 4: No Fouls Given, presented by DraftKings. I'm big wise of course,

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Speaker 4: as always, I'm joined by NBA legends and champions, Paul Pierce,

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Speaker 4: Danny Green. We got a dope show for you, guys.

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Speaker 4: and use the code NFG at sign out today. All right, man,

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Speaker 4: incredible game for the Boston Celtics at home against OKC.

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Speaker 4: They had just recently, only a few weeks before, lost

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Speaker 4: the tight one to them, and they got it done.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 4: They kind of dominated on defense down the stretch. They

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Speaker 4: snapped the Thunders twelve game winning Street, Jalen Brown dropped

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Speaker 4: thirty eight eight and eight, Tatum thirty one, eight and eight.

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Speaker 5: Tatum had nineteen.

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Speaker 4: Twelve twelve ReBs and seven assists, and SGA had thirty

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Speaker 4: thirty three. But Chat and and j Dub just they

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Speaker 4: just didn't They didn't have it against Boston that night.

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Speaker 4: Danny though in the picks this was our picks game.

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Speaker 4: Danny went five and oh, Paul and I went two.

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Speaker 3: And first time.

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Speaker 3: I went one and four first time and.

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Speaker 2: The winner. Oh I got the winner right there?

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Speaker 5: You go? Okay, So well, yeah, SGA over point total.

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Speaker 4: Chat beat his blocks, you though, actually he was under

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Speaker 4: and Tatum was under his points as well.

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Speaker 2: So shout to Danny. But what do you think about

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Speaker 2: the game, bro? Yeah, it was a great game. I

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Speaker 2: love what I've seen from Brown.

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Speaker 1: He took the challenge, and this is what we talk

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Speaker 1: I mean, he got to the free throw line. But

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Speaker 1: big games, Brown showed that he took.

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Speaker 2: Over the fourth quarter, big shots, big def got dunky.

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Speaker 5: Damn.

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Speaker 1: That was nasty and this is what you want those

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Speaker 1: this could be a finals previews Boston better do they

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Speaker 1: look better? Well, I understand that Oklahoma was on the

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Speaker 1: fifth game of their five game Eastern Conference road trip.

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Speaker 2: You know, you can get tired.

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Speaker 1: But it's a good win as a confidence booster for

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Speaker 1: Boston knowing that OKC was full strength yea, and you

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Speaker 2: So these type of wins can get.

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Speaker 1: Him confidence for the rest of the year and going

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Speaker 3: East solid win man, they needed it and the bounce

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Speaker 3: a tough night. They had some tough nights and still

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Speaker 3: Boston and win that game. Jayson Tatum had a great

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Speaker 3: Shireman knocked down something like they had guys and pitched

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Speaker 3: And and you know, Boston said had a really good

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Speaker 3: But this was it was a good game. It was

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Speaker 3: a great game to watch. It's a good battle, and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I certainly agree with that.

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Speaker 4: I thought Boston's defense was excellent mostly obviously Shay Sha

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Speaker 2: But two things stuck out from the game to me.

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Speaker 4: One is that Jalen Brown has determined that Boston is

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Speaker 4: not gonna be a strictly jump shooting team, and yeah,

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Speaker 4: he's gonna get downhill he did.

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Speaker 5: I love getting to the cup consistently.

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Speaker 4: And you know, we know OKC has some as the

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Speaker 4: I'm getting to the cup, collapsing the defense and spraying

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Speaker 5: I was, I love that.

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Speaker 4: And then the second thing to me that stuck out

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Speaker 4: they're not getting enough from those two guys.

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Speaker 5: Those are the two Those are your.

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Speaker 4: Other two MAX players, And I get it, they got

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Speaker 3: Of these guys are your stars. Have to show up.

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Speaker 4: Your stars gotta do it, and Chet and J double

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Speaker 5: And if they don't get it done in the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: I really enjoyed watching that game. Another game that I

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Speaker 5: Charlotte beat them up pretty badly.

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Speaker 4: The score doesn't indicate how badly they beat them up.

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Speaker 5: They ended up beating them one fourteen to one oh three. Charlotte.

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Speaker 4: They're trying to snap the longest postseason drought in the NBA.

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Speaker 4: Last time they made it was fifteen to sixteen, so

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Speaker 4: that was ten years ago. I was in the league,

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Speaker 4: it to the actual postseason. Entering Wednesday's play, Charlotte is

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Speaker 4: be out of the plan. But the Knicks game was impressive, man,

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Speaker 4: Like the actual energy that these guys play with.

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Speaker 5: They're so athletic, especially on the wings.

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Speaker 4: on defense all night long. Because Charlotte's just their ball moving, unselfishness,

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Speaker 4: post them up, and one man whoever has to deal

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Speaker 4: with these guys in the first round for some hell,

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Speaker 4: I'm telling you might be Detroit man.

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Speaker 1: Young legs, and that the thing about a scary man,

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Speaker 1: a scary man has nothing to lose.

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Speaker 2: Right, you know what I'm saying, Like a scary man in.

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Speaker 5: The gonna be nervous, You're gonna be very happy to

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Speaker 1: They're happy to be there, and no exping happened if

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Speaker 2: If you open up a door for them to get through.

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Speaker 1: And they and they see it in his first round,

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Speaker 1: Charlotte being ahead of schedule, beating Detroit and getting to

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Speaker 1: the playoffs is a great year for them. Right now,

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Speaker 1: You're out of a drought. You haven't been there in

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Speaker 1: over ten in like ten years, great year right now,

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Speaker 1: we'll put them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, would schedule that would be incredible.

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Speaker 3: Bro Kanker Nipple, rookie of the year should be a

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Speaker 3: should clock it. He's killing Bro twenty six points non fourteen.

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Speaker 3: Hell of fishing six to ten from three. I think

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Speaker 2: Bro, huge pickup? How big was that pick up? Kobe White?

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Speaker 1: You got a starting caliber guard at off your bench

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Speaker 3: So they've been hooping, man, they especially since Detroit don't

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Speaker 3: get Kaid like right at the right time.

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Speaker 4: I know he's gonna be coming off of so much

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Speaker 4: Charlotte is just impressive to me at like there are

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Speaker 5: They're a must watch every single night. So I would

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Speaker 3: Especially if announcer.

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Speaker 1: Think about this, then look at this though, look at

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Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference. The East is better than the West.

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Speaker 1: I don't care what nobody saying this shit, The East

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Speaker 1: is better than the West. Dude, Listen, I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: ten teams over five hundred. I'm looking at ten teams

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Speaker 1: over five hundred, but when I look at the West,

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Speaker 1: you got only eight teams over five hundred.

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Speaker 5: Warriors sort of bringing up the rear.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Clippers just got over five hundred, right,

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Speaker 1: like you got ten teams over five hundred. And then

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Speaker 1: the top from the Eastern and West, I don't think so,

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Speaker 1: because healthy Piston teams can very well play with the Thunder,

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Speaker 4: Absolutely so. I mean look at the top, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: Those last last four teams.

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Speaker 5: The two five.

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Speaker 3: Seeds Blazers and Warriors are not looking anyone close to

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Speaker 4: And you know, as we're looking at the East playoff picture,

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Speaker 4: You were thinking about we should we should be I

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Speaker 4: in the Eastern Conference finals this year, and you're tied

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Speaker 4: for this. I will not get tired of being pissed

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Speaker 3: They might shock you, they might pull a Miami run.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that's salvage the season is a deep

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And I don't see that's not in the car

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Speaker 5: In the car.

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Speaker 4: Moving on, Josh Hart had some choice words for our

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Speaker 2: He told to shut that up.

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Speaker 4: After the latest bout of Knick's criticism, Stephen, they proclaimed

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Speaker 4: Horror responded via a question from Steve Popper of News Day, saying, quote,

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Speaker 5: The hell up. I like the shots.

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Speaker 4: I think he barely knows guys that are on this team.

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Speaker 4: He continued about Michel Bridges, saying, quote, last year, he

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Speaker 5: He's doing what's asked of him.

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Speaker 5: Josh hart coming to his teammates defense there.

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Speaker 2: Paul, Yeah, I like that.

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Speaker 1: I mean because you don't like the outside noise from

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Speaker 1: their social media, they on Instagram x and Stephen A

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Speaker 2: Biggest voice in sports.

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Speaker 1: So when he says something, you're gonna hear that, especially

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Speaker 1: like you gotta be able to say, guys, look, stop

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Speaker 4: Is that the thing you think teammates gotta do. Talk

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Speaker 4: to Michael and be like, don't worry about that, just

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of players in this day and

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been around teammates that stuff was sitting the

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Speaker 1: They just it's like, damn, I can tell that affected them.

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Speaker 1: So it's good that Jark's heart comes his defense. Maybe

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Speaker 1: talk to him like, don don't worry about that ship man.

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Speaker 1: Come on, man, we're here to win a championship that's

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Speaker 1: still to go. Well, we don't care about you. Don't

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Speaker 1: need to be the best player. We don't need you

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Speaker 1: to average twenty for us to win. What we need

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Speaker 1: you to do is make some shots. Okay, we need

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Speaker 1: on consistent basis because we need you. You just got to

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Speaker 1: encourage each other. That's what your locker room should be about.

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Speaker 1: Constantly encourage, encouraging each other, uplifting your role players, and

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Speaker 2: Right right now, I feel like, Jenny, what do you

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Speaker 3: All for it? Bro?

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Speaker 5: I mean public defense.

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Speaker 3: It's it's very key that they have a history and

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Speaker 3: can have that conversation. Like like Pete said, because when

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Speaker 3: Like if nobody sticks it, like he might think, oh

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. If nobody comes to my defense,

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Speaker 3: now you're feeling like an outsider. What I'm saying, Oh,

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Speaker 3: I'm not doing much that there's even more pressure on you.

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Speaker 3: But when you can have a teammate come say, you know,

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Speaker 3: Like it could go that route. Then you got a

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Speaker 4: So maybe I'm doing too much or reading too much

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Speaker 4: just I see that as like an acknowledgement that Bro's

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Speaker 4: underachieving and underperformance. Maybe so, but he's like, they wouldn't

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Speaker 4: need to be this whole explanation if Bro was killing.

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Speaker 3: He's giving you the reasons it just.

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Speaker 5: Be like, look look at but kill play.

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Speaker 2: Just watch he's killing.

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Speaker 3: He's giving you the reason why he's not. He's not

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Speaker 3: getting the ball like that, you're doing what he's asked

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Speaker 3: doing what's asked of him. He's not asked to with

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Speaker 3: y'all expectations of him are different than with Mike Brown's

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Speaker 3: expectations of him. You can't expect the man to score

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Speaker 3: like he did in Brooklyn if you're not giving him

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Speaker 1: I mean, think about this though, Can we realistically say, like,

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Speaker 2: When you look at the packet order? What is Michael

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Speaker 2: Bridges is? Bring up?

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Speaker 5: What is he?

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Speaker 2: Is? He? Third?

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Speaker 5: Four?

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Speaker 2: Fifth option on this team?

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Speaker 3: Probably fifth?

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Speaker 5: When I watched the Knicks play is.

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Speaker 3: Jalen Kat probably OG and then probably Michael, So he's

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Speaker 3: probably fourth. He's here's the difference is the difference fourth

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Speaker 3: and story down fifteen a game, which is pretty good

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Speaker 3: for god.

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Speaker 2: From my fourth option, I'm getting fifteen.

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Speaker 3: That's solid, very solid.

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Speaker 2: What what does people want from him? Is your fourth

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Speaker 3: OG, that's seventeen.

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Speaker 1: He's getting fifteen GI options giving you fifteen, it's super solid.

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Speaker 3: What is his efficiency? Because I feel like he's not

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Speaker 2: Fifth option on the Lakers? I mean the fourth option? Uh?

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Speaker 5: Eight?

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Speaker 2: And what is he giving you fifteen, I don't think

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Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying. Fifteen when you watched when you

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Speaker 3: Solid Nicks, it's not the flow your expectations higher for.

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Speaker 4: It's not that I'm just saying, like when when fucking

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Speaker 4: what's his freaking name? The Filipino kid, Jordan Clarkson. When

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Speaker 4: Jordan Clarkson comes in the game, he's just he's at it.

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Speaker 4: He's not like there's a there's a a gunner. Everybody

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Speaker 4: else call it gunning, but he's brought gunning. He's aggressive

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Speaker 4: the people. He's coming in, trying to make his imprint

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Speaker 3: His presence with felt He's never been that.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't feel that way.

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Speaker 3: He's never been that type of like shooter, like aggressive gunner. Again,

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Speaker 3: when if he can, I bet you if he came

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Speaker 5: You think he'd be better.

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Speaker 3: He'd be not sharing the floor with the guys that

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Speaker 3: everybody else is shooting the basketball. I will say you're

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Speaker 3: I bet you mckael Bridge is gonna shooting more.

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Speaker 4: Could use a little bit more, like hey, man, like

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Speaker 4: set some people up.

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Speaker 3: You're pretty spot on that eight and things to twelve

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Speaker 3: a game the fourth option.

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Speaker 4: Option saying, I'm just saying kil Bridges could have done

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Speaker 5: This year on the Knicks and it's been a disappointed.

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Speaker 3: What he's saying is I think most of the people

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Speaker 2: Are you satisfied with his performance this year?

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not a love that perform like, okay, but

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Speaker 3: But again, what I'm seeing and what I know from

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Speaker 3: very different when they had to Even Josh Hart's roll

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Speaker 3: is very different when when Tibbs was there. You know

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like.

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Speaker 2: Josh Hart is always making his presence felt.

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Speaker 3: He's not doing He's not doing the same year he's

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Speaker 3: having a career. Nah, last year is better but he's

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Speaker 3: having like triple w he's having he's having.

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Speaker 2: The career years.

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Speaker 5: When Josh Harden.

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Speaker 1: Shooting shooting career is, he's in the game the shooting

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Speaker 1: career here, he's putting his imprint on the.

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Speaker 3: Game shooting, shooting fifty one and twenty three.

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm in fifty career year from three. Bro.

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying they shooting forty from three to j Bridges.

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Speaker 4: Bro, you can go long stretches of Nick games and

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Speaker 4: not know he even exists, that he's even still a

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Speaker 4: lot live bro. And I think that's why guys got

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Speaker 4: to go out of their way and defend them in

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Speaker 4: the media, like.

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Speaker 5: Yo, we get it.

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Speaker 3: Like he's a quiet person.

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Speaker 5: It's been terrible, terrible.

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Speaker 3: It's just not a face personality, I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: But he's not being judged by his regular season. Let's

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Speaker 2: keep it.

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Speaker 5: Let's see what he does in the playoff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because the Knicks, it don't matter what you do

444
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 1: in the regular season. If they get to the conference

445
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 1: finals again, go seven or get to the finals, people

446
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 1: gonna forget that.

447
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he gets those steals and blocks like you

448
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:30,120
Speaker 3: did last year. Yeah.

449
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 5: To be honest, I'm not crazy worried about the Knicks.

450
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 4: I think they're a team that's built for the playoffs,

451
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 4: and I think they're gonna be fine when when there's

452
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,200
Speaker 4: actual stakes, I think they're gonna be fine.

453
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,879
Speaker 5: And the regular season they kind of focused.

454
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Speaker 4: Wax and Wings a team that I am deeply concerned about, though,

455
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 4: like I mean deeply, like existentially is the Houston Rockets fan.

456
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Speaker 5: These motherfuckers went.

457
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Speaker 2: Out and.

458
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Speaker 4: The night before bro and they got it thirteen point

459
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 4: lead in overtime an overtime game in Minnesota.

460
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Speaker 5: Against the Anthony Edwards less.

461
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 4: Minnesota Timberws built a thirteen point lead in OT and

462
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,239
Speaker 4: managed to lose that game. Producer Chris tells me they

463
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 4: had a ninety nine point seven win probability, okay, and

464
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 4: they lost. I think one hundred and eighty eight teams

465
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 4: in the in the history of life have gone up

466
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 4: double figures in OT all of them won until the

467
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Speaker 4: Houston Rockets. And I'm telling you, when I watched this

468
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 4: team and people could say, oh, you being a body

469
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 4: language reader or something, Pete, but like it feels like

470
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 4: the coach hates the players and the players hate him back.

471
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Speaker 5: Damn you.

472
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 4: It really feels like that damn and he may is

473
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,360
Speaker 4: a one note guy. He's just like a no nonsense guy.

474
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Speaker 4: And it feels like his approach is like I don't know,

475
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Speaker 4: I don't know.

476
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 5: People they're struggling.

477
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 2: Like if you're saying that, I just think I have

478
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 2: no bench. They don't got no bench.

479
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: No, But like like this is the third team that

480
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,959
Speaker 1: Katie has come to achieve.

481
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Speaker 3: That just a different conversations.

482
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Speaker 1: If but you gotta be based on like Kat's greatness.

483
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Speaker 1: It's like they didn't get it done in Phoenix, they

484
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: didn't get it done in Brooklyn. Now you come to Houston.

485
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: They were number two seed last year. If people forget that,

486
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: they were the second best record in the Western Conference.

487
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: Now this looks like they're gonna take control of the

488
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Speaker 1: sixth seed and possibly look like they may go out

489
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Speaker 1: in the first round based on how their players lately.

490
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Speaker 2: Book that book that just get them get.

491
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Speaker 3: Them out of here in the first round.

492
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Speaker 4: Let me ask you this. I know the answer already,

493
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 4: but let me ask you this. When's the last time

494
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Speaker 4: with KD team overachieved?

495
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Speaker 3: And okay, see.

496
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,959
Speaker 4: Probably a loss when the toe on the line the Bucks.

497
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 5: They took the Bucks to seven games, that's the last

498
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 5: time it was like.

499
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Kevin Durant team is playing better than we thought.

500
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 3: They played the last time. That's I wouldn't even say

501
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 3: that was overachieving for them.

502
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: They took the eventual chance to say.

503
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Speaker 3: That was supposed to be scary hours right, Like as James.

504
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Speaker 5: No, I'm not disagreeing with you.

505
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 4: I'm just telling you, that's the last time we do

506
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Speaker 4: something KD was involved with, Like, damn, how did.

507
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 5: They do that?

508
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 3: So yeah, when he before, when he went to the finals,

509
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 3: that was an overachieving year.

510
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and then I mean gold State stop it.

511
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Speaker 5: When he was up stack team in the history of.

512
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Speaker 3: Life, Yeah, that was an over but he went up

513
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Speaker 3: three one on Golden State that they lost, but like

514
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 3: being up three one, I guess was like, oh on

515
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 3: Golden State.

516
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 4: But other than that, the Phoenix thing went up in flames.

517
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 4: And then you watch a way less talented Phoenix team

518
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 4: this year, completely overachieved with a lunch pale mindset. Guy's

519
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 4: playing hard, and I'm just like, again, it's hard to like,

520
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 4: look at kd's stats. He's clearly their best doing it

521
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 4: super efficiently and be like that's the guy that's the problem.

522
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 5: But I don't know, man, is he cursed it? It's

523
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 5: just these bad outcomes seem to follow KD.

524
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Speaker 2: Paul.

525
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: What do you think I mean to give that curse?

526
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Speaker 5: Right?

527
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Speaker 1: Just think so at this age, you know, he doesn't

528
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: influence winning like he used to.

529
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: Like, okay, so you.

530
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 5: Can go to stage he's thirty eight.

531
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's thirty eight. What's understandable?

532
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Speaker 1: So, like, he can't be the best player on your

533
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: championship team right now, And I said that about him,

534
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: I said that about Lebron.

535
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 2: Also say that about Curry right now. They can't be.

536
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Speaker 1: Your best players on championship team at this stage of

537
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: their career. They need to play with somebody that's better

538
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 1: than him. And that's why the Lakers look better because

539
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: they have a player.

540
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: That's better than Lebron on there. And that's hard to do.

541
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Speaker 1: But you know, as great as these guys still are, Like,

542
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: how do you say you gotta have somebody better than

543
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: the Kevin Durant, Well maybe he can join Joker. How

544
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: do you can say you need somebody better than Steph,

545
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 1: Well maybe Giannis can go there, and then you you

546
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: have an opportunity. But it's just like at this stage

547
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: no matter what his stats say. It's just like with Lebron.

548
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: They need players that are better than that can influence

549
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: winning because I think they're they're just at the stage

550
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Speaker 1: of their career. It's hard for them to do all

551
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: the things necessary to help them win outside of scoring.

552
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Speaker 3: I'm with y'all, don't get wrong, but to play Devil's

553
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 3: advocate here, basketball is a team sport, bro he is.

554
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 3: Their bench is not giving them much and with the

555
00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 3: fas problems on the Rocks, you have no point guard,

556
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. They've had some injuries, but

557
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 3: again with Steven Adams not being there and Frevan Fleet

558
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 3: not being there, this change like those are.

559
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Speaker 2: Two important jo That's crazy.

560
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 3: Ding Finis Smith supposed to be a good pick up for

561
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 3: shooting threes, but he was missing. He missed half the season.

562
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Speaker 2: He's averaging three points a game.

563
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 3: Again, he's seventeen played six minutes, but Katie's having to play.

564
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Speaker 2: If he played startup minute TV, we averaged just six

565
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: points a game.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we don't know. If he started the season might

567
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 3: be different, but again, Katie's all having to play scoring

568
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 3: guard and point guard. Reason why I had six turnovers

569
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 3: Like he's bringing the ball up getting trapped at thirty eight.

570
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: It's a lot to ask of the man, and I'm gonna.

571
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 2: Say he may don't run a lot of shit on offense.

572
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 4: It feels like the guys is just it's on them

573
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 4: to kind of freestyle and figure everything out on their own.

574
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: Like I don't understand the.

575
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 4: Houston offense, like it's obviously it's been talked about.

576
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 5: The Clutch offense has been just terrible.

577
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 4: And predictable, but just even throughout the floor of the game,

578
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 4: Like you know, I'm talking about man molta kill and

579
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 4: he was he was explaining, they'll run like a great

580
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 4: play three times in a row, get great outcomes out

581
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Speaker 4: of it.

582
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 2: Fourth time in the.

583
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 5: Row, run it, KD gets a good look, then never

584
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 5: run it for the rest of the game.

585
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 4: Which I'm just like, that's coaching to me on offense,

586
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 4: and so I.

587
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 3: Collaboration with a lot of things. Man. So again, I'm

588
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 3: not putting it all on one dude. Sure you said coaching.

589
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 3: I'm saying this players, guys.

590
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 2: And he's been very unlucky.

591
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 5: I guess, I guess that's what we're calling it.

592
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 2: KD is just the most unluckiest.

593
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 3: Guy as he's got as he's got who like Brooklyn,

594
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 3: he dealt with injuries. Nicks was just James was out

595
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 3: Pho with the injuries again in Phoenix a long time.

596
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 3: He still won two trips though he still got to fund.

597
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 3: He ain't that un lucky. Yeah, kd Well, he's top

598
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 3: five and scoring the most.

599
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: Just just a great cloud, just always following KT were

600
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 2: talking about and think it's the media impact.

601
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 4: I just think they're not able to overcome the roster

602
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 4: in the deficiencies.

603
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that usually comes with like next man up

604
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: or said great coach and I'm not taking a shot

605
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 3: an email at all is great. But the groups is

606
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,719
Speaker 3: you gotta fill the holes with the coaching staff and

607
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 3: other players on the roster to be able to like

608
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 3: like Detroit lost K Dennis Jenkins is fucking hooping right

609
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 3: like they're finding ways Stewart, Paul Reed, you know what

610
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like they have other guys. It's not just coaching,

611
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 3: it's also players, but they have other guys that are

612
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 3: stepping up open.

613
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,479
Speaker 2: I would not getting that right now, is that a

614
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: team that.

615
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 5: Was more.

616
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 4: United would be able to overcome Houston's deficiencies.

617
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Speaker 3: They're just not like, Okay, say it is what it is.

618
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll let you there's a disconnect. Yeah, I'll let the.

619
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 4: People figure out what's going on with Houston and Katie's bag.

620
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 3: First year, like it's their first year kind of together.

621
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Speaker 1: What I'm saying, I mean that there's a lot of

622
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: rumblings coming out of Houston for real, like there's a

623
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: disconnect between Katie and the young guys.

624
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 4: He was saying, there's a moodiness that the guy's moody.

625
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 4: Where if we heard that before literally every single other

626
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 4: place he's ever played.

627
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Speaker 1: And then the thing with the with the tweeter, with

628
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: the with thee take tweets, that was a rumor allegedly

629
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: he was on another account talking about the team.

630
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Speaker 2: Who knows.

631
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: Who knows if that's something or not. But I don't

632
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: know if that has any effect on what's going on

633
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: in the game or or the deficiencies of the roster.

634
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Speaker 4: Like you said, let's get into our favorite segment of

635
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Speaker 4: the night. That's the draft Kings picks. Friday night hoops, y'all.

636
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Speaker 4: The Hawks will be playing at the Celtics. Hawks won

637
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 4: the last matchup on seventeen one, O six. In January

638
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 4: First of all, guys, who do you think is gonna

639
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 4: win this one?

640
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 3: Boston gotta win this one. Hawks are rolling Hawks?

641
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Speaker 1: No, you know what, you know what I like though

642
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: right now? I like these type of games at the

643
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: end of the year because these type of the games

644
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: that get you ready for the playoffs. Like, you know,

645
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: you play okayc in a great game, but you got

646
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: the surging Hawks to one.

647
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 2: Young get hungry, like you got hot teams.

648
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: Coming in and this is measuring sticks going to the playoffs,

649
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: and so I like these type of matchups late in

650
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Speaker 1: the year. You know, a lot of teams are playing

651
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: teams that are tanking. You know, this is where you're like,

652
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: all right, we're about to get our our rotations down.

653
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: Were going to the playoffs. Then you know when you

654
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: get them last ten.

655
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,719
Speaker 3: Games important, we building.

656
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: Now we gotta get hot.

657
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Speaker 5: Right now, it's under double digit game, you.

658
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 3: Sure, no, absolutely, this is not gonna be a blowout.

659
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: This is gonna be a good game, be a nice

660
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: to test the between six to nine points. I think

661
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: it's gonna be decided.

662
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 4: By Jalen Brown averaging twenty eight. Does he get over

663
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Speaker 4: under twenty eight?

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Speaker 3: I think it goes over I'm gonna go under.

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Speaker 2: He's making his MVP push. I'm going over.

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Speaker 5: Okay, what about Jason Tatum over under twenty one? That's

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Speaker 5: that's high.

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Speaker 3: That's what it was last time though he went under

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Speaker 3: the last time. I'm gonna say he's gonna go over.

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Speaker 5: This time, I'm going under.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go over.

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Speaker 1: I'm going over this time. He right there, he's just

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Speaker 1: close to getting this rhythm.

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Speaker 5: Jalen Johnson over under seven and a half of sis.

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Speaker 3: He damn yeah, that's that's a tough one. I know

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Speaker 3: he gets like seven.

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Speaker 1: I'm going over for him that man as well.

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Speaker 5: And how about points over under twenty two?

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Speaker 3: Points over points for him? All right?

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Speaker 5: What about you, I'm gonna go under, all right, give

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Speaker 5: me the under as well.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 5: All right, fellas, let's get into a foul a no foul.

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Speaker 4: Fellow podcaster former player Pat Bev is going viral for

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Speaker 4: saying that Damian Lillard is not a.

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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, it's former teammate.

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Speaker 5: As his former teammate he played with Dang.

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Speaker 3: Milwaukee.

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Speaker 4: Let's watch the clip of Pat Bev and his Hall

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Speaker 4: of Fame prognostication.

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Speaker 6: On the bus, like Pap Bev, it's Dang Lillard Hall

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Speaker 6: of Fame. Hell No, Like like I love Dame, I

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Speaker 6: love Dame. I promise you I love Dan. It's no

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Speaker 6: ill will, no beef for Dame at all. But like

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Speaker 6: hall of Fame is like that's a that's like, first off,

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Speaker 6: I feel like we there's too many people getting Hall

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Speaker 6: of Fame. You feel me like I feel like it's

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Speaker 6: too many people getting Hall of Fame. Right, let me

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Speaker 6: start off with that second off, Like, Hall of Fame

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Speaker 6: has to be like a combination of like obviously, points, rebounds, assists.

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Speaker 6: It has to be a combination of like wins. It

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Speaker 6: has to be a combination of playoffs appearances, and has

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Speaker 6: to be a combination of championships.

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Speaker 3: And right, like.

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Speaker 6: If we get like how we go, say no is

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Speaker 6: to know the d row is getting MVP and say

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Speaker 6: yes to Dame Lillard.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. So like, like.

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Speaker 2: You feel me like if you get a chip for show, right,

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Speaker 2: if you get a chip.

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Speaker 5: For show, but like.

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Speaker 6: Scoring a lot of points on like you feel okay teams?

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Speaker 6: You feel me Like I don't. I don't think that

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Speaker 6: gets you into Hall of Fame. Like hall of Fame

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Speaker 6: is like.

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Speaker 2: It's your whole basketball career. It's not one thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you do. You know, it's college school, all the things.

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Speaker 5: So pull up.

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Speaker 3: If he pull up, Dames a resume, hin.

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Speaker 4: Time All Star bro, He's on the seventy fifth anniversary team.

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Speaker 3: Seven, So listen, I'm the resume has AD two thirteen

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Speaker 3: rookie three point champion All NBA seventy one. Again, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm with Pat Bev somewhat on this, but I do

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Speaker 3: think Dame's all Like.

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Speaker 2: I don't even think it's even a question.

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Speaker 3: I will say this though, like winning has to matter, right.

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Speaker 5: I think winning matters.

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Speaker 4: I don't think Portland under achieved in Dame Lillard's time there.

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Speaker 4: I think they had pretty whack ass teams. That's just

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00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 4: why he begged to get out of town. Like for

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00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 4: sure he asks for that trade he played there as

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Speaker 4: long as he could. In the playoffs, this guy is

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00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 4: a killer every playoffs. This guy is like coming through

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Speaker 4: in clutch moments for his team.

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Speaker 3: So I'm with Pat on.

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Speaker 2: James Harden who gets to the playoffs just.

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Speaker 5: Like, oh we the hell was Damon?

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Speaker 3: So he's a Hall of Famer too, like they're both

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Speaker 3: Hall of Famous.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm not saying James Harden is not a Hall

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Speaker 4: of Fame. I'm saying if Dame got to the playoffs

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Speaker 4: and it's always worse, it's like this guy's delivers.

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Speaker 5: Bro.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Portland had limited teams. I don't even think this

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Speaker 2: is even a question.

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Speaker 3: To me, I think it's a question. I believe. I

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Speaker 3: agree with Pat and the fact that there are a

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Speaker 3: lot of guys getting considered all like there used to

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00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 3: be like a very high standard lot whatever.

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Speaker 5: The lowest guy is in the Hall of.

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Speaker 3: Fame right now, he's above that.

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Speaker 4: He's probably he's like thirty miles above that, you know, Raja,

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Speaker 4: Tony Coo, coach, come on, nigga, what are we doing

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Speaker 4: with this?

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Speaker 3: And That's what I'm saying. I agree some of those

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Speaker 3: guys probably, like the Hall of Fame was like a

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Speaker 3: prestigious thing like.

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Speaker 4: Even Dennis Johnson played on great teams, was a contributor

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00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 4: that man was not a better the NBA player in

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Speaker 4: Damian Lillard.

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Speaker 3: I agree with you on that. I'm not saying Dame

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Speaker 3: is not a whole fam. I'm just saying certain guy,

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Speaker 3: this should be a better I gotta see who's at

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Speaker 3: the bottom of it. I will say this though, I

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Speaker 3: don't come.

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Speaker 2: On, man, he don't know about.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying. So this is what I what I will say.

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Speaker 3: I don't I didn't think he should have been top

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Speaker 3: seventy five.

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Speaker 2: Hmmm, who who do you think got like?

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Speaker 3: Who got snubbed? There's two guys that got on that.

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Speaker 3: They said ad won a champions at that point. Sure

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Speaker 3: Dwight didn't get in. Sure Tony never got Tony didn't

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Speaker 3: get in.

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Speaker 5: Again. I you know, I think Dame.

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Speaker 3: Is I think Dame is great. I think I think

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Speaker 3: the world the Dame.

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Speaker 2: You think Tony Parker is a better NBA player than

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Speaker 2: I think?

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Speaker 3: He has more winning, Bro. He's won four NBA two

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Speaker 3: and he has the finals MVP, and he's been an MVP.

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Speaker 3: Conversations Bro.

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Speaker 4: They call the Spurs organization has never been the primary options.

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Speaker 5: Bro he was the greatest.

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Speaker 3: They're known as the Greatestization understand the difference. But that's

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Speaker 3: why I said, in.

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Speaker 4: Terms of amassing talent, in terms of playing with Hall

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Speaker 4: of Fame coaching.

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Speaker 3: That's why I said Tony's winning is not.

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Speaker 1: Because Tony Tony on the Blazers. I don't know, he

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be as good as ship.

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Speaker 3: We would don't know. I know, motherfucker one.

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Speaker 2: I think I do know that.

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Speaker 3: I know he won a lot of championships and he

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Speaker 3: was around for a long time. Yeah, he played impact

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Speaker 3: when and he was he was on that team. He

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Speaker 3: was in the MVP conversations with.

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Speaker 4: Five Hall of famers, like the Spurs was Tony with

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Speaker 4: five Hall of Famers at one time, Danny. The Spurs

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Speaker 4: are known, they're executives, are known for being the best.

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Speaker 5: I don't disagree with you.

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Speaker 4: I don't under Tony Parker is the beneficiary of that.

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Speaker 3: All those guys you talked about. So a lot of

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Speaker 3: guys are in the top seventy The reason they got

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Speaker 3: that they got winning they had good teams. If they

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Speaker 3: stayed on bump ass teams, they probably wouldn't be in

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Speaker 3: the top seventy five. Probably part of the reason why

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Speaker 3: Dwight wasn't in the top seventy five.

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Speaker 4: I think Dwight definitely at his best, you could say

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Speaker 4: was a better player than Damian Lillard for sure.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, go By, we can't say this. You're

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Speaker 3: going to buy better players, not about better players, but.

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Speaker 2: You influence your team and culture.

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Speaker 1: And yes, I think Dwhite had a bigger influence in Orlando.

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Speaker 2: Than they to the finals. Yea.

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Speaker 3: Even his resume, he's got three defensive player like, no.

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Speaker 5: I agree about Dwight.

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Speaker 3: Hown better player to me is not the argument. I

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Speaker 3: don't disagree with that. When you're talking about top seventy

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Speaker 3: five in Hall of Fame, it's it's it's resume. Like

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Speaker 3: player is great on his resume. There's a lot of fuckers.

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Speaker 3: I think it's best players, but they ain't nowhere near

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Speaker 3: some of the other guys that have the resume.

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Speaker 5: I disagree with that.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people argue Kyrie is better than a

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Speaker 3: lot of people, but his resume is nowhere near some

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Speaker 3: of the resumes.

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Speaker 2: People are wrong about Kyrie.

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Speaker 3: They don't think he's better than a lot of people.

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 4: Personally, I think Kyrie is one of our more under

860
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 4: overrated players. To be honest, Kyrie, I don't think he's

861
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Speaker 4: amazing twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 5: He's never done anything else in the playoffs. Nothing.

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Speaker 3: You think he's better than Tony?

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Speaker 5: No, hell no, I don't think Kyrie.

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Speaker 3: I think no, I think he'd be people.

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Speaker 4: Kyrie was really good in the finals as a player,

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Speaker 4: one fucking season of his life. He's never done anything

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Speaker 4: ever again in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Nothing didn't So now you're talking ne eve talking about

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Speaker 3: the player anymore. You realize that, No, brother, we're talking

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Speaker 3: about players skill.

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Speaker 5: The best players play good in the playoffs performances.

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Speaker 4: No, hell no, he's been terrible outside of twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 5: Go look it up, Bros.

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Speaker 3: To the finals. He was good until the final.

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Speaker 5: He was okay, Bro, that was a Muka thing. Bro.

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Speaker 2: He was up and down.

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Speaker 3: Remember when he went to Boston that disaster that was

879
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 3: in the finals. A lot payed inst.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Bro, Kyrie, he got hurt.

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Speaker 3: He's hurt most of most of the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: He's hurt people.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying there's a lot of people that are

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Speaker 3: skilled stistically.

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Speaker 2: Hell no, I'm talking about not in the same category.

886
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 3: I'm talking about Tony I'm saying skill wise and player.

887
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 3: While you're talking about players, some people look at certain

888
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: players and say, yeah, a D is definitely more skilled

889
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 3: than any of those bigs, but his resume does not

890
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: speak the same value as at Dwight Howard's.

891
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 4: I mean, I would argue that Dwight Howse was just

892
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 4: a better player when he was in his problem than

893
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 4: a D.

894
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 3: I think a D is more skillful, like maybe he

895
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 3: may be.

896
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 5: To me, that makes you a better player impact.

897
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 3: I think I'm a guy. I'm talking about your skill.

898
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 3: What does skill have to do with That has to

899
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 3: do with what kind of player you are? What a

900
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 3: D can if you don't have to shoot jumpers, he

901
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 3: can shoot jumpers. He's more.

902
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: He has more all NBA teams than Kyrie Pro.

903
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, his resume, it's not even close. But my thing

904
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 3: is not as good as Tony I'm saying as a skill,

905
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 3: people would say he's definitely more skilled than a better.

906
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 5: Player than skilled watching layups.

907
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 3: That to me is like your resume, like how do

908
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 3: you affect winning? I'm with you that that's a different conversation.

909
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 3: When I'm thinking player, I'm thinking people talking about player

910
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 3: as like your skills, your skills.

911
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: But we're just talking about skills and like who's the

912
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: most is the most skilled player ever?

913
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: The best player ever? Wh Is Jordan the most skilled

914
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: player ever?

915
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he applied it to winning.

916
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 4: Your skills have to apply to winning if you just

917
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 4: have skills in a vacuum.

918
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 2: I don't understand why share.

919
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 3: I mean, there was a time where you said Mike

920
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 3: didn't have no bag, So how is he the most

921
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 3: skilled fucking player in the history of the game.

922
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: Well, the finding bag in twenty twenty six is different.

923
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: That's my point. Everybody's way more skilled now than they

924
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 3: were back then.

925
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 2: Well, bag means something else.

926
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 3: For sure. There's different types of bags. Get me wrong.

927
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 3: Today's bag is different than than back in the day.

928
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 3: But these guys are way more skilled now than the

929
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 3: guys back then. Why I'm saying, some of these guys.

930
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 2: Make stand still jump shots better now. But like again,

931
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 2: like I think the big men are more skilled. That's it.

932
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, guards, even the guards are like brother, they're skilled.

933
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 3: They didn't have a bunch of step backs in euro

934
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 3: steps That shit didn't come along Minu started doing it,

935
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 3: but it wasn't as slow step like motherfucker's got bags.

936
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 4: Who's to figure that out. But let's because we gotta

937
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 4: move on. But so you think it's not foul that.

938
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 3: No, No, I think Dame's a Hall of Famer. I'm

939
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 3: saying I agree with you saying foul. I'm saying that

940
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 3: the bound the threshold or the boundary, whatever it is, stipulations,

941
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 3: there's too there's a lot of guys getting that, probably

942
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,919
Speaker 3: like too many, though not one of those guys.

943
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: Well, the question is I don't think the question is

944
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. I think the question is her

945
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: first ballot hall of Famer?

946
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: Oh?

947
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely, because like he's a Hall of Famer, But what ballot? Yeah,

948
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: you know there's a difference when your first, second, or

949
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: third ballot because eventually, with your resume you'll get in this.

950
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm tripping, but I remember Hall of Fame beings

951
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 3: like you had to have a good college, high school,

952
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 3: and NBA career, like where you had some MVP, some

953
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 3: Defensive Player of the Years, All Stars, first team champions,

954
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 3: not all of them. You have to you have one

955
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 3: of those on the list, like some championships to Dame though,

956
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: no ship because having it.

957
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: He's got a budget Hall of Fame. Yeah, he's just not.

958
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 5: Better than Dame, bro, and he's easily in.

959
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: The Tracy McGrady in the Hall of Fame straight up, Yeah,

960
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: Dame is in.

961
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 5: The hall, brother, he's he's a Hall of Famer.

962
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 3: But you know, yeah, those guys don't win like scoring

963
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 3: titles or nothing like that. Vincent wuld never individual awards.

964
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 3: They never won individual awards.

965
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: Nah.

966
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 5: No, Tracy was just known for losing.

967
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 3: The Vince get a chipping, Dallas, Now Vincent get a chip.

968
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 5: No, Vince played a long time.

969
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 3: Been to the finals, Vince then to the finals. Vince

970
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 3: is the finals with the nets was two times brouh.

971
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 2: He never went to the finals.

972
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 4: Also, like when you when Dame was at his best, Bro,

973
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 4: Like when you.

974
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 5: Defense is literally catering their whole fucking.

975
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 4: Attack to stopping this dude, Like literally like you had

976
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 4: to devise your defense, Like, Yo, what are we doing

977
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 4: about this?

978
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 2: Dude?

979
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 3: I don't doubt that that's son. Just there's a lot

980
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 3: of people that have to have that, but they're not

981
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 3: Hall of Famers.

982
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 5: No, there's not, Danny.

983
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 3: It's not so all those young guys right now hall

984
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 3: of famers right now. That book was the Hall of Famer, right.

985
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 4: Now, defenses don't go like nuts trying to stop Devin Booker, Bro.

986
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 3: Bro any top scorer player, but any top scorer people

987
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 3: are going to try to stop defenses in a panic

988
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 3: Anthony Edwards and that's different.

989
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yeah, Anthony Everards player.

990
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 5: Yes, special players.

991
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 3: Special They're already Hall of famers right now.

992
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 4: I mean they have out barring some crazy injuries.

993
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 2: Edwards j Edwards is not in the Hall of Fame

994
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 2: of his career.

995
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 4: Today, saying his career and I'm saying there's a lot

996
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 4: of guys does what he's doing right now, Roy like Bro,

997
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 4: these guys have just never.

998
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: Tatums Hall of Fame if he ended today, like even

999
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: you can even throw maybe Lucas Hall of Fame today.

1000
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: Like you know, guys like that. I just think those

1001
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 2: guys have Hall of Fame trajectories.

1002
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 3: I'm not for sure saying there's times where Nigga Austin

1003
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 3: Reeves is the guy that they're trying. I'm saying, yes

1004
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 3: they are, Bro Austin As.

1005
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 5: I'm not comparing them.

1006
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 3: You're saying, defenses they stop anybody to score. They're gonna

1007
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 3: try to do that. If there's the only player on

1008
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 3: the court, right now. We're gonna stop him. We're gonna

1009
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 3: make everybody else try to score.

1010
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 4: I think I think it's different man with defenses like

1011
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 4: go completely out of their character to stop with.

1012
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: Your specific.

1013
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.

1014
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 2: But you know, I guess Dame's not that special to you.

1015
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 3: I didn't say that I will from the start, I

1016
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 3: said Dame is fucking great, putting extra words in my

1017
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 3: mouth that I never said.

1018
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 5: To get to the bottom of it takes.

1019
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 3: All I said was is that I agree with Pat.

1020
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 3: There's a lot of motherfuckers getting in. I feel like

1021
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 3: I'm not a disagreement that I never said. I said

1022
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 3: Dame was a Hall of Famer getting off.

1023
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: He's already been named to the seventy five best player. Yes,

1024
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: there's no way he's not.

1025
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's on.

1026
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 3: I disagree with that one.

1027
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 5: You're click farming, but you know we fell for it.

1028
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 3: That's the one thing I did disagree with the top

1029
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 3: save five. I thought, like the guys that the guys

1030
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 3: got snub like Tony and Dwight should have been it.

1031
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 4: I think Dwhite is definitely somebody who has a major

1032
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 4: case like and when he when we talked about him retiring,

1033
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 4: I was like, man, I think he's unappreciated when he

1034
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 4: was at his best before the back stuff, and then

1035
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 4: he fought like he figured out how.

1036
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 5: To be helpful after the back stuff.

1037
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, had a good argument for top seventy five.

1038
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 2: I do.

1039
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: I don't think he's got a bad argument, but you know,

1040
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: I think he does have a great argument for it.

1041
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 4: He's definitely you know, he's definitely going to be one

1042
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 4: of the guys that I remember.

1043
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 1: But most guys that are in the top seventy five

1044
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 1: were like number one options too, Like, you know, Tony

1045
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 1: as great as he was on a great team, he's

1046
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: like third or fourth option until the very ends, you

1047
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 1: were just unless she was just dominant. Like the reason,

1048
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: Like he's not better than Steve Nash.

1049
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: Nash was the guy.

1050
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 5: For sure, the entire engine.

1051
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 2: Yeah he was the engine.

1052
00:49:58,640 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 3: Chris Paoulan at top seventy five.

1053
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: No, yeah, Chris Paul is the engine stars.

1054
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 3: Yeah yo, him and Tony used to go bro Tony's.

1055
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 2: It's not about their resume.

1056
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: His Tony's resume, take away the championships and you just

1057
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: look at them as players. Chris Paul is way better

1058
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: than Tony Park. It's not even close.

1059
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 3: We love to you said at the end, some people.

1060
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 2: Are putting on top five.

1061
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 5: What he was doing was option Timmy.

1062
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, took that man to from Timmy and even Manu

1063
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 4: for sure.

1064
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with that.

1065
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: Look, I'm a Parker fan.

1066
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: Man, but no, I love Tony. It's one of my

1067
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: favorite players. That team saying turns on my favorite teams.

1068
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: But like, let's be realistic. Guys do carrying jobs, bro Like,

1069
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 1: Like he didn't have to be great every night. These

1070
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,479
Speaker 1: guys gotta be great every single night, every night, eighty

1071
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: two games. He didn't have to do that. He didn't

1072
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: have the pressure of that you have to show up

1073
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: and talk to the media.

1074
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 3: Every So it's his fault that he was playing in

1075
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 3: a good system.

1076
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 2: No, it's not his fault.

1077
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 5: No, but if.

1078
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 4: He don't get the same weight, if he was better,

1079
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 4: he's basically they would have put more on the show.

1080
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 3: It's kind of the same argument Jason Tatum and jentlemen

1081
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 3: like Jason.

1082
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 2: There's no argument.

1083
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 3: I'm not saying Hall of fame, but he doesn't get

1084
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 3: the credit against because of how good his team is. Right,

1085
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 3: he doesn't get Jason Tatum right last year. He's never

1086
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 3: an MVP conversation.

1087
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 2: The MVP conversation. She's not an envy, He's not.

1088
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 4: He hasn't been better than those guys that won m vps.

1089
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 3: In this is the same argument though people have. It's like, yo,

1090
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 3: you're not giving enough credit. He's done so much to

1091
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 3: his point in his career, but you're they're faulting him

1092
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 3: for having a good team.

1093
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 2: Nah, he's not getting faulted. He was.

1094
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 5: He's not slaying as good as Joker in SGA.

1095
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 2: So he v that's it.

1096
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 5: That's it. My body's Dissentatum shouting him.

1097
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 2: Glad he's back. He got next.

1098
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:49,479
Speaker 5: Oh man.

1099
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 4: Adam Silver, standing on business, I actually quite enjoyed this.

1100
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie.

1101
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 4: Commissioner Adam Silver says that while he feels bad for

1102
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,479
Speaker 4: kid cunning him, who should be All NBA this year,

1103
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 4: he's not gonna change the eligibility rule from the sixty

1104
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 4: five game threshold.

1105
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 5: He believes the sixty five game rule works.

1106
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 4: Is intended, and Cade is just an unfortunate victim. Can

1107
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 4: this Can this new rule have a negative effect on

1108
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 4: players legacies? For example, Lebron has twenty one all NBA selections.

1109
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 4: If this rules was in effect, he would only have sixteen.

1110
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 4: Still impressive, but you can see how it can change narratives.

1111
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 3: That's a big difference about career stats, a big difference.

1112
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 2: Do you think the rules in that positive or negative? Daty?

1113
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 3: Probably negative because again, like so much, you go back

1114
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 3: in time, all these guys in have I'm sure there's

1115
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 3: some teams that you probably could have made pee if

1116
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 3: they didn't have positionless. Yeah, for sure, you know what

1117
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like I could have made it all defense

1118
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 3: teams it wasn't by position.

1119
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 2: If it was by position, I've been on like seven or.

1120
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 3: Like, you're kind of screwing up with what I'm saying,

1121
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 3: Like now is the screw up new guys, but some

1122
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 3: of the old guys. Definitely there was a time where

1123
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 3: who was it to make all different team or didn't

1124
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 3: make any because M tumble was. There was a Pat Ewan, Yeah,

1125
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 3: like he don't got nothing because M. Tumble was, I'm

1126
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 3: saying around or something like that. But now it's positionless.

1127
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 3: You can have two bigs. So when you start changing rules,

1128
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 3: it kind of it changes a lot of history and

1129
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 3: certain guys like resumes to cut in the future too.

1130
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 3: But I think this should be I think there's a

1131
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 3: great period where they said you had to get at

1132
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 3: least sixty two. I think yeah, And he's falling under

1133
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 3: the sixty he's one game short of it. He's at six,

1134
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:38,919
Speaker 3: he's at sixty one.

1135
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 4: I mean business, It's like if you if you fall

1136
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 4: one game short of the playoffs, we don't just say, oh,

1137
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 4: you only can't one, we don't.

1138
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 2: Just put you in the playoffs.

1139
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 3: Good analogy, but it's very different, very different.

1140
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 5: Bro, you didn't meet the with you.

1141
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 3: This is very different.

1142
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 4: And I agree with you, Danny, because the guys do

1143
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 4: really care about it obviously, like Cad the union is

1144
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 4: like speaking on his path and they're doing this public stuff.

1145
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 2: And I understand it.

1146
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 4: But to Adam's point, they put this ruling because motherfuckers

1147
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 4: was load managing. They want to see stars play, So like,

1148
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 4: I'm sorry the rules having it is, it's.

1149
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 5: Intended consequences.

1150
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 3: But he has a real injury and he's only one

1151
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 3: two game shy of it.

1152
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 2: Is what it is, man, You know what I'm saying.

1153
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 4: He guy his All NBA last year, so he made

1154
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 4: his forty five extra mill He's straight, he's not losing

1155
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 4: money off of it.

1156
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 5: He's just literally, it's just an accolade.

1157
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 2: He's not.

1158
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 3: You don't think he would get more money for getting

1159
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 3: another first team on NBA right now?

1160
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: You get contract, that's it.

1161
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 3: He'll get more bonuses from other spots, like other places.

1162
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 3: You don't think.

1163
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 5: I doubt it.

1164
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 2: I'm sure they would have made that public.

1165
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 3: Whatever his Nikedale is. You know, for damn sure there's

1166
00:54:58,239 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 3: something to make it all.

1167
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 5: That, Like, maybe you gotta take that up with Nike.

1168
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 3: Or whoever he's with. I don't know who he's with.

1169
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: You gotta take it up with Nike.

1170
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 5: Right, it's tough. We can't love you.

1171
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you got sixty one games. You're within four

1172
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 3: or five games of the thing. You should be able

1173
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 3: to be considered.

1174
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 5: Nah, get out of here. Rules are rules, bro come

1175
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:22,919
Speaker 5: on bending and.

1176
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 2: Breaking in every day.

1177
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 5: Oh you make an exception for me?

1178
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 4: Nah, funck that man. Players Union collectively bargained it with

1179
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 4: the league.

1180
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 5: Let's go, let's run.

1181
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 3: That's it. Rules of men. A lot of rules have

1182
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 3: been bent for people.

1183
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 2: Bro Rafains.

1184
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 3: Fucked up man sucked up.

1185
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 4: Draymond Green, making some news on his podcast, said that

1186
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 4: he quote hated and absolutely loved the m v P

1187
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 4: self promotion from San Antonio Spurs and a victim women

1188
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 4: you on Monday night.

1189
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw this.

1190
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 4: This is oh he sorry, this was out of media availability,

1191
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 4: not on the Draymond Green podcast. He said quote whenby

1192
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 4: said defense is fifty percent of the game, and it

1193
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 4: was like.

1194
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 5: Oh, no one realized that.

1195
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 4: No one realized that fifty percent of the game he

1196
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 4: plays on that end of the floor.

1197
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1198
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 5: Jay Williams says, it's more of an indictment on NBA media.

1199
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 4: Uh, do you think the media fans plays too much

1200
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:26,720
Speaker 4: importance on offense?

1201
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 3: No? I do would like more. I would like more

1202
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 3: respect on defense, more so when it comes to how

1203
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 3: they referee the defensive the game. If the referees allow

1204
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 3: defense like or the league allowed, then people will give

1205
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 3: more respects to defense. But the game is predicated toward

1206
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 3: the offense, like it's helping them. And I saw this rent.

1207
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 3: It was a solid little rent, obviously coming from a

1208
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 3: defensive player. He's like, yo, y'all don't realize, you know.

1209
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 3: He's like, he hated it because it took for him

1210
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 3: to say that for people to realize how important defense is.

1211
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 3: But he loved that. He's stood on business. He knows

1212
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 3: that if you don't say it, people won't look at it.

1213
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 3: You know, like if you don't, I guess what is

1214
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 3: the word when you try to for yourself, you try

1215
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 3: to promote yourself, you don't advocate for yourself. Like, they

1216
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 3: won't realize your defense, he said Evan Mobile. He didn't

1217
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 3: until he said something. They didn't look at him as

1218
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 3: Defensive Player the Year, and then he finally got looked

1219
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 3: at it in that conversation, you know, which I think

1220
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 3: is a shame.

1221
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 5: Your me and Mark are smart.

1222
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 2: When he won that Defensive Player of the Year, he.

1223
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 3: Was lobby campaign. You gotta camp, which is craz You

1224
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 3: shouldn't have to campaign for yourself when it comes to

1225
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 3: certain things. But what he said again, we talked about

1226
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 3: it the other night. It was true. It was a

1227
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 3: very good argument, very good you know stance. But yeah,

1228
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 3: it's it's defense. I don't think no one realized it,

1229
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 3: but dream I was like, oh, people like I can't

1230
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 3: believe they're not really taking it. People saying like it's

1231
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 3: a profound thing. Is it really that profound? Why is

1232
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 3: it profound because he said it? It shouldn't be because he

1233
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 3: said it. Y'all should know that defense is a big

1234
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 3: part of like important part of the game, which I get.

1235
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 3: But again, I think it's more so how the game

1236
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,439
Speaker 3: is played and refereed. If we referee it differently, people

1237
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 3: will respect defense more.

1238
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 2: You think fans are too over index on offense, like

1239
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 2: they don't care about offense.

1240
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: Well, me being the NBA player, now that I'm a fan,

1241
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm not going or watching the game to see somebody

1242
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: if they gonna be taking charges, blocking shots.

1243
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 5: I'm not.

1244
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: I'm not looking for that. I'm seeing who getting buckets Like,

1245
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: That's what I wanna watch.

1246
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 2: What I wanna pay for?

1247
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: The best defensive player in college defensive player of the

1248
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: year might not make it to the NBA in facts,

1249
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: So what are we like? We want to be entertained.

1250
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: We want to see the ball go through the who

1251
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: what's the ops?

1252
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 5: You got a game?

1253
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: Put the ball in the goddamn hole. That's what I

1254
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: wanna see. Just because you slide your feet good or

1255
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: you block a couple of shots, I'm not even I'm

1256
00:58:58,720 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: eating popcorn like.

1257
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 2: Whatever, bullshit.

1258
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 3: Man, you want to see good basketball, there's no way you're.

1259
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 2: Going to charge good for him?

1260
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 3: You damn you the white three When you see some

1261
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 3: sealing shit happen. You' like, what kind of fucking defense

1262
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 3: is that even when the media talks about Luca, you

1263
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 3: don't play like they still harp like people are gonna

1264
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 3: call people out when they don't play.

1265
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 2: It's really bad.

1266
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 5: People will notice.

1267
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 3: It don't have to be really bad. If you scoring

1268
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,439
Speaker 3: a lot and you're not playing both sides, you see

1269
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 3: a great transition play or still like you want to

1270
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,959
Speaker 3: see good basketball. You don't see like people play bad

1271
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 3: defense like you, Draymond. It's just mind. You also the competitor,

1272
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 3: and you like, yo, y'all just gonna let this motherfucker score.

1273
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 5: It's easy.

1274
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 3: He got fifty like bam getting eighty through you like, Yo,

1275
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 3: they's not gonna let him play. You're gonna appreciate some defense,

1276
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 3: will see good.

1277
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 2: Basket, appreciate defense.

1278
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, like, I'm not coming here to

1279
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: see how many blocks somebody get or charges.

1280
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 4: And ship ship when you're gonna see yeah, I mean

1281
00:59:58,720 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 4: that's because it's a specimen.

1282
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: He's affecting all the spectrum of the half court.

1283
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 3: The holes. You want to see everybody they best what

1284
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 3: they can do, Like who this guy is good at

1285
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 3: this you.

1286
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 2: You come down and miss five straight shots? You blowing me?

1287
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you you're blowing I'm might leading game, Like

1288
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: tell this guy to stop shooting for me.

1289
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 5: Like I read Draymond's thing and it's just like.

1290
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 2: See y'all don't appreciate me.

1291
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 4: That's just all I see Draymond doing. Right, There is

1292
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 4: such a defense.

1293
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, first come from It just.

1294
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 2: Feels like Draymond finding a way to kind.

1295
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 5: Of promote his own abilities via what he said.

1296
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 3: Yeah shocker, But I mean again, I think we all

1297
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 3: want to see. We want to see good basketball, and

1298
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 3: a part of good basketball is good defense. We want

1299
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 3: to see defense. We want to see offense. We want

1300
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 3: to see good back. Like, actually, offense score against good defense,

1301
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 3: not defense highlights every night.

1302
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 2: It's just to me, it's just hard.

1303
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: We should put together on all defensive highlight real, Oh

1304
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: ship ya wants?

1305
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 2: That's right.

1306
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 5: You didn't say that for that.

1307
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 3: Block I did. Did you see the difference defense offense?

1308
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 2: He didn't say that on that block.

1309
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 5: Look at that.

1310
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 3: Give me that ship, Give me that Okay, look at that,

1311
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 3: give me that ship.

1312
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 2: Right, you see the difference.

1313
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 3: That was nasty, But the transition from both it makes

1314
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 3: the play special you do offense and defense. Give me

1315
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 3: that ship.

1316
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 2: That wasn't the same intensity as that.

1317
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 3: Give me that ship. When Scotty punched Jailing Green, Hey,

1318
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 3: when Scotty punched Jail up the glass, I thought it

1319
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 3: was fucking ai. I said, oh ship, the funk was that?

1320
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 2: When Lebron made that block, you didn jump up.

1321
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 3: Like, oh damn I did.

1322
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 5: Bro.

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Speaker 3: In the finals, I thought Iggy had a layup. I said, Oh,

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Speaker 3: he got that ship. I said, Yo, he got that ship.

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Speaker 1: He said that when Greek Freak took that and dunked

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Speaker 1: it for the win, he was.

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Speaker 3: Like, oh, give me that ship.

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Speaker 2: I just think Wemby, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, he's selfishly making his own case and shouts to him.

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Speaker 4: But like Bro, I'm sorry, nobody's gonna care about defense

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Speaker 4: as much as offense.

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Speaker 3: It's not as much we can care about it. It

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Speaker 3: was gonna be the case. It's definitely should be appreciated more.

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Speaker 2: No, definitely, shit, it's gonna get appreciated.

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Speaker 3: But we all know, give me that shit.

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Speaker 1: We know that's why the rules are what they are.

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Speaker 1: It's getting towards the offense.

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Speaker 3: For sure. They just need to be less geared, that's all.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, folks, that's our show for today.

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Speaker 3: Peace out piece.

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